So how is that appeasement working for you?

Tony Abbott November 21, 2018

I think that it would certainly help the standing of Islam and Muslim people in Australia if their official representatives would sit down and have a meaningful discussion with the Prime Minister about what all of us can try to do to try to ensure that we don’t see more terrorist outrages like the attack in Melbourne 10 days or so back.

Tony Abbott August 5, 2015

When it comes to counter-terrorism everyone needs to be part of ‘Team Australia’ and I have to say that the Government’s proposals to change 18C of the Racial Discrimination Act have become a complication in that respect. I don’t want to do anything that puts our national unity at risk at this time and so those proposals are now off the table.

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52 Responses to So how is that appeasement working for you?

  1. Terry

    Yep. Abbott is definitely Australia’s biggest problem. A modern-day “Chamberlain”.

    If only we would chuck him out and install a potentially great PM.

    “How is THAT working for you?”

  2. stackja

    Moslems have not accepted offers.
    18c has support of ALP/MSM.

  3. Robber Baron

    Sinc, at your age and experience you should stop believing politician promises. They all lie to you to improve themselves. They don’t go to bed thinking about you. They go to bed thinking about their massive entitlements and how they can keep it going.

  4. candy

    I think this is a hate Tony Abbott post. JC has also taken the dethronement of Mr Turnbull badly. lol.

    All history now.

    But I think PM Morrison has talked too roughly about all Muslims being responsible. For Heaven’s sake, that’s a silly thing to say and bound to offend. I have Muslim acquaintances , near neighbours and I know for sure they did not participate in the Bourke Street killing. Nevertheless Islamic leaders need to be at the table to discuss what’s going wrong. Is my opinion.

  5. Clam Chowdah

    “How is THAT working for you?”

    A hit sir, a palpable hit!

  6. Snoopy

    If only the Libs hadn’t ditched the host of the 2016 Point Piper Iftar dinner the Bourke Street unpleasantness would likely never have happened.

  7. visions

    No matter how bad some think Abbott is or was he was and is superior to Turnbull, Morrison, Rudd and Gillard – and by a country mile.

  8. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    some of us don’t run very fast

  9. Mr skeletor

    Sinc is worse than the never trumpers.
    Is he going to vote Labor when his buddy Malcom gets booted from the Libs?

  10. But I think PM Morrison has talked too roughly about all Muslims being responsible … Nevertheless Islamic leaders need to be at the table to discuss what’s going wrong.

    Surely Muslims are morally accountable to the extent that a matter is within their power to control. They thereby may be jointly or severally responsible for failure to exercise that power.

  11. Old School Conservative

    candy
    #2868970, posted on November 21, 2018 at 8:35 pm
    I have Muslim acquaintances , near neighbours and I know for sure they did not participate in the Bourke Street killing.

    Do you know for sure that they have renounced the Koran?

  12. Muddy

    That’s a rhetorical question, correct?

    If not, are those you are asking the question of, either willing to, or capable of, responding in the manner you expect?

    If not, surely your/our energy might be spent on something more productive?
    Like implementing a plan to reduce the appeasers’ capacity to appease?

    Might that not be a more desirable outcome than the cheesegrater-to-one’s-own-genitals-approach of flaccid rhetoric?

  13. True fact. If there were absolutely no Muslims in Australia we would not have had any terrorist attacks in the last ten years. Not one. This is a fact! Could be a clue here as to how we could reduce the threat of terrorism in Australia? Hmmm!

  14. Cassie of Sydney

    Abbott might have his faults but I am reminded of a dinner at Kirribilli in 2016….

    https://goo.gl/images/Tnkzhw

    That picture still makes me physically sick.

    So yes, just remind me who the appeaser is.

  15. jupes

    Australia’s Grand Mufti and other Islamic leaders are boycotting a proposed roundtable meeting with the Prime Minister over his tough stance on Islamist terrorism after the Bourke Street attack.

    We are consistently told that Islam isn’t a problem and only a tiny percentage are terrorists.

    Yet here we have the ‘moderate’ Muslim leadership boycotting a meeting with the Prime Minister of Australia. They refuse to help stop Muslim attacks.

    But hey, let’s keep bringing the fuckers in. What could possibly go wrong?

  16. jupes

    So how is that appeasement working for you?

    About the same as Muslim immigration is working out for us.

  17. rickw

    Surely Muslims are morally accountable to the extent that a matter is within their power to control. They thereby may be jointly or severally responsible for failure to exercise that power.

    If Presbyterians were actually the problem no one would hesitate to hold their leaders 100% accountable.

    Every single fucking muslim terrorist is well known to the umma and the imans and the fuckers play dumb.

  18. Oh come on

    Sinc has nailed it. Abbott needs to STFU across the board solely on the strength of his “Team Australia” pivot (ie. betrayal).

    Abbott was a terrible PM. Worse than Trumble. Trumble did exactly what one would expect of Trumble, yet Abbott went out of his way to disappoint.

  19. That picture still makes me physically sick.

    It is fantastic optics.
    Even better than the perfect profile view of the horsey chompers of our Jazzy, the optics show Lord Waffleworth as a physically underdeveloped stick man, surrounding himself with the Three most lightweight public Muslim figures in Australia.
    He’s twice the age of any of them, and clearly trying so hard to fit in with the cool kids that it looks pathetic.

    Physically sickening? Agreed, to the nth degree.

  20. Real Deal

    That That picture still makes me physically sick.

    Well said, Cassie, you’re not alone.

    That is appeasement of the egregious kind. I am not a fan of Abbott but I would have ten Abbotts over Turnbull who is now proving a much bigger wrecker of his own party than Abbott ever was.

  21. Diogenes

    If Presbyterians were actually the problem no one would hesitate to hold their leaders 100% accountable.

    just look at how now every Catholic cleric is being held accountable for things(sexual abuse of, mostly boys, by priests) that happened before they were even born, or which they did not participate in or could have reasonably been expected to know of . And then, if they did try to do something, were pilloried for not doing enough , even though they had no precedent to guide them.

  22. John Comnenus

    Compare and contrast. A tiny percentage of Catholic priests and laity were p#dofiles 20 or 30 years ago. PM Gillard response – call a Royal Commission. Catholic Church response – cooperate and implement new anti p#do measures. Royal Commission blames culture in the Church ie all Catholics bare some degree of responsibility and the Catholic hierarchy is absolutely responsible. No problems, no constant refrain that it was only a tiny percentage of Catholics, etc.

    A tiny percentage of Muslims are terrorists now and very recently. PM Howard, Rudd, Gillard, Abbott, Turnbull (and Morrison so far) response. It’s got nothing to do with the religion. Not all Muslims are terrorists. It’s our fault because we are not inclusive enough. We need to reach out to the the Muslim community etc etc. Islamic institutional religion’s response – its all your fault, got nothing to do with us – is all a con job by the (take your pick: CIA, J#ws, far right bigots, mental health, Australian culture, media reporting, shock jocks etc) but even if our co-religionists did do it, it had nothing to do with us, so stop picking on us.

    The Government is happy to tackle one religion with the full force of the law and apply to the institution and the institution cooperates recognising the bad done by its members. The Government won’t touch the other religion which fails to cooperate or take any responsibility for the behaviour of its adherents.

    How about a Royal Commission into instituoional responses to terrorism? No one would call it, and no judge would run it because they are all too terrirified of the consequences.

  23. Herodotus

    Tony Abbott would be an excellent PM if he could find and join a conservative party.

  24. John Comnenus

    Tony Abbott would have been an excellent PM if he found his backbone and stood by his principles when he had the chance. Agree he was still better than every PM since Howard. But that is a very low bar.

  25. The question was raised as to why 240 passports had been seized from ‘potential’ jihadists, rather than allowing them to join the caravans of peace in the Middle East. Some knob from university, claiming to be a terrorist expert’, asserted that it would only encourage more jihadists as those overseas gave encouragement via social media.

    This is already happening anyway within Australia, else why would have 240 passports been seized? Seizing passports isn’t preventing anything, it only causes frustration for those unable to join the caravans of peace. Let then go overseas, give them free air travel even, and then revoke their passports. They can then travel on the caravans of peace until heaven beckons.

  26. And on another note, seizing passports from those not convicted of any crime is ostensibly judging them and convicting them without evidence. Why isn’t the Muslim community up in arms over this clear discrimination and these human rights violations?

  27. Deplorable

    But I think PM Morrison has talked too roughly about all Muslims being responsible. For Heaven’s sake, that’s a silly thing to say and bound to offend. I have Muslim acquaintances , near neighbours and I know for sure they did not participate in the Bourke Street killing. Nevertheless Islamic leaders need to be at the table to discuss what’s going wrong. Is my opinion.
    But have they actually condemned the acts of terror perpetrated by some muslims interpretation of the Koran that is more to the point. Morrison was correct and not rough enough. Take the gloves off.

  28. But I think PM Morrison has talked too roughly about all Muslims being responsible. For Heaven’s sake, that’s a silly thing to say and bound to offend. I have Muslim acquaintances , near neighbours and I know for sure they did not participate in the Bourke Street killing. Nevertheless Islamic leaders need to be at the table to discuss what’s going wrong. Is my opinion.

    More importantly did your friends etc condemn the terrorist acts . Did they acknowledge the acts were carried out by muslims following the koran . Morrison was correct to lay the blame at all muslims feet and did not go far enough. Take the gloves off and make the majority of muslims change their views or leave.

  29. Mater

    But I think PM Morrison has talked too roughly about all Muslims being responsible. For Heaven’s sake, that’s a silly thing to say and bound to offend

    Candy,
    Watch this video (specifically between 6:10 and 10:10).

    This is a typical Australian Muslim.
    Take note:
    It’s Sharia or Death,
    No room for doubt in Islam,
    Sanctuary only in Islam.

    Is mainstream Islam responsible? Do they all think like this? Have they highlighted the potential of this bloke to the authorities?

  30. min

    If modern Islam is s great and a religion of peace, ( Candy has not bothered to read the Q’ran or even better Dr Mark Durie’s The Third Choice , he has 2 PH.D in Theology of Islam) why does the President of Egypt Sisi? plea for Islam to reform from inside?

  31. Chris M

    So how is the Turnbull working out for you?

  32. Boambee John

    The imams also seem to fall back a bit on the line that their yoof were “radicalised by the corrupting influences of Australian society”.

    If they truly believe this, surely they have no choice but to advise all of their co-religionists to move immediately to a society where these corrupting influences will not be present. Anything less would be to accept the corruption.

    Instead, they demand that the other 98 percent of Australian society change to accept their religious dictates. As someone I once worked for once said, “Draft me a short signal in response, on the lines ‘Get fvcked, rude letter follows’.”

    No, Doomlord, this appeasement is not working for me. Offer all those who wish to live under Sharia $10,000 to leave, hand in their Australian passports, renounce their Australian citizenship, and never return, even as tourists.

    Then register their DNA as a cross-check.

  33. Here is my insiders guide to identifying a good Muslim from a bad and or potentially dangerous Muslim.

    * Do they go to a mosque? If yes, then they are potentially dangerous either directly or indirectly WITH VERY FEW EXCEPTIONS. This is where the superiority of Islam and the attraction of the afterlife is indoctrinated. This is where the young are told not to mix with the hosts.
    Those who may not pose a direct threat are nevertheless potentially dangerous by being complicit in the indoctrination.
    The very few exceptions are the ones who are cooperating with the Feds and ASIO. This is how the Feds get info on potential threats and put people on watch lists.

    * Do they still wear the traditional garb? If yes, then they are potentially dangerous either directly or indirectly.
    How could that be, how could the wearing of clothing be an indicator you might ask.
    Wearing clothing designed for desert life and or for oppressing women as possessions indicates an individual who holds his religion to be above local laws and customs.
    These are the people who are reluctant to say something when they see or hear something.

    The first three steps to eradicating Islamic terrorism are not hard to identify but politically unpalatable in today’s World.
    1-) Cease ALL immigration from Islamic countries
    2-) Deport all Imams and “scholars” who are not citizens
    3-) Shut down all Mosques and Islamic schools

    None of the three can be done at mo.

  34. John Constantine

    It is working out to produce an ever increasing State funded power block, where Big Men can do identity politics branch stacking and deliver votes for funding deals.

    In twenty years from no seats to vital branch stacking power from local councils to federal government.

    All working out as planned and we are unswervingly committed to mass importation of revolutionary military age freedom fighters to double up on what we have now.

    Tax funded vote plantations, trading their branch stacking support for appeasement, funding, legal recognition of cultural whimsy and unrelenting mass importation of child brides, sex slaves and cousins, and childbride sex slaves that are cousins.

    Comrades.

  35. EvilElvis

    Where’s the photo of Mal, Susan and Waleed, Sinc?

    Where did those happy times go…

    Oh, Abbott’s been gone a while now.

  36. Rebel with cause

    Morrison is probably relieved. Dinner with the Baptist temperance society would still be more fun than meeting with Islamic clerics.

  37. Sinc has nailed it. Abbott needs to STFU across the board solely on the strength of his “Team Australia” pivot (ie. betrayal).

    No, no, he can speak his mind like the rest of us and we can correct him when he is wrong. It’s not as if many here haven’t been egregiously wrong on some matter in the past.

    Abbott was a terrible PM. Worse than Trumble. Trumble did exactly what one would expect of Trumble, yet Abbott went out of his way to disappoint.

    No, no, you cannot be a worse PM simply because you’ve disappointed some. Objectively, Turnbull was far worse, because he didn’t reverse any of the policy areas people express disappointment about and he supported others (climate policy, SS’M’) that Abbott rightfully resisted.

    Abbott’s great defect is his overemphasis on collegiality, whereas Turnbull was simply a vainglorious and treacherous prick. His performance since the loss of PMship is a perfect example of this.

  38. Mr Johnson

    Abbott was absolutely wrong to take this perspective as he was just feeding the crocodile whose appetite is never sated. However, it seems that he was being pressured by several senior ministers to pull back on the call for a ‘Team Australia’. Can you guess who they were? Yep, Bishop, Turnbull and Pyne. So, round2: how did that work out for you/us?

  39. bollux

    The big difference to me is that Abbott had a huge mandate to do something and didn’t. Turnbull had nothing to speak of in his own right, and did. All of it anti Australian mind you, but he had the courage of his convictions [my heart is where the money is], unlike Abbott, whom I will never forgive. I don’t think we will ever have that opportunity again in Australia.

  40. Notafan

    Wow is someone finally admitting that muslims are a problem in this country?

    As for Abbott

    Nothing wrong with trying negotiation, it is now three years and several more actual islamic terror and countless thwarted islamic terror plots later he can say it as loud as he likes

    What extraordinary opportunity was lost by Abbott?

    18C is a boogie man we all ignore

    For most people it is 999th on the list of things the government must do

    terror, immigration, the climate boondoogle making up the first 998 pressing issues

  41. Destroyer D 69

    Motorcycle clubs were jumped on with heavy hobnailed boots,but islam seems to be a protected species with loud calls for removal of our freedoms to help locate the possible source of any problems. Might I suggest a perusal of the phone book for a listing of the address and contact details of the islamic equivalent to the motorcycle clubhouse sites.The training in the appropriate language skills in association with a regular programme of visitation of these places would certainly garner a level of knowledge we supposedly do not have access to without a draconian increase is police powers.

  42. PM’s aren’t Presidents. The idea that Abbott could repeal 18C, and the like, while receiving little support from his Cabinet is not serious. All it took was Pyne’s deliberate spiking of the waters to ruin any chance of that occurring. There’s a lot of the jilted lover in people’s criticisms of Abbott that ignores the treachery in the Cabinet, the academic-media phalanx, and the lackluster support for repeal on the ground.

  43. Tim Neilson

    John Comnenus
    #2869108, posted on November 22, 2018 at 6:59 am
    Tony Abbott would have been an excellent PM if he found his backbone and stood by his principles when he had the chance. Agree he was still better than every PM since Howard. But that is a very low bar.

    Fact check: 100% true.

    dover_beach
    #2869196, posted on November 22, 2018 at 9:40 am

    Abbott’s great defect is his overemphasis on collegiality, whereas Turnbull was simply a vainglorious and treacherous prick. His performance since the loss of PMship is a perfect example of this.

    Fact check – would be 100% true if you sunk the boot into Trumble several orders of magnitude harder.

  44. Kneel

    “Australia’s Grand Mufti and other Islamic leaders are boycotting a proposed roundtable meeting with the Prime Minister over his tough stance on Islamist terrorism after the Bourke Street attack.”

    So let me get this straight – these guys think that what ScoMo said is “bad” and refuse to talk about preventing the thing that generated the comment from happening again, even though they are saying that it is a “fringe” group and not “normal” for Muslims to do these things.

    OK then, here ya go: MOHAMMAD IS A DOG.

    Now you can be offended!

  45. Deplorable

    Herodotus
    #2869107, posted on November 22, 2018 at 6:58 am
    Tony Abbott would be an excellent PM if he could find and join a conservative party.

    Spot on . He may have started a bit awkwardly but he did pick up on the insanity of muslim immigration towards the end. But as stated elsewhere here what could he do with his mandate when he had Pyne, Turnbull, Bishop, Brandis plus the other 40 odd left wing infiltrators of the liberal party. At every step he was white anted and therefore so were those who voted for his landslide win. Tony Abbott must remain in parliament. The problem lies with the party not the individual . Grass roots needs to regain control or burn the place down.

  46. Makka

    “How is THAT working for you?”

    A hit sir, a palpable hit!

    Indeed, BANG on target.

  47. Deplorable

    “How is THAT working for you?”

    A hit sir, a palpable hit!

    Indeed, BANG on target.

    Is that the Bourke St target you are talking about?

  48. Crossie

    So how is that appeasement working for you?

    Sinc, the question should be “How is that national unity working for you?”

    And we keep importing ever more and more of the potentially unintegratable welfare recipients.

  49. Crossie

    visions
    #2868975, posted on November 21, 2018 at 8:43 pm
    No matter how bad some think Abbott is or was he was and is superior to Turnbull, Morrison, Rudd and Gillard – and by a country mile.

    Hear, hear.

  50. Oh come on

    I disagree with Dover in that Abbott seemed to promise a great deal yet utterly failed to deliver. Trumble surprised no one.

    There was never Potential Greatness in Trumble, but there was in Abbott. We saw it before, we see it now, we didn’t see it much when it counted.

    Objectively, Abbott trashed the conservative brand. PM Abbott is now inextricably associated with Australian conservatism, and that’s a bad association for Australian conservatism.

    Abbott was a bad PM and Trumble was worse. Point is that Abbott didn’t have to be a bad PM while Trumble always was going to be.

  51. Deplorable

    From Quadrant.
    whitelaughter – 23rd November 2018

    Good article, but with glaring mistake – the ‘extremists’ are the majority, not the minority. Consider that:
    83% of Egyptians approve of attacks on American troops.
    68% of Moroccans approve of attacks on American troops.
    90% of Palestinians approve of attacks on American troops.
    72% of Jordanians approve of attacks on American troops.
    52% of Turks approve of some or most groups that attack Americans (39% oppose)
    60% of Jordanians have a positive view of Hamas (34% negative).
    Majorities in Egypt (63%) and Libya (61%) supported the 9/11/2012 attacks against American embassies, including Benghazi.
    89% of Palestinians support Hamas and other terrorists firing rockets at Israeli civilians.
    48% if British Muslims would not report a person “linked to terror.”

    https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/articles/opinion-polls.aspx

    Now why would muslims in Australia be any different.

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