JFK assassination @ 55

There have been three great American presidents during my lifetime, but each was fundamentally the same as the others: John Fitzgerald Kennedy, Ronald Reagan and Donald Trump. Not a racist bone in their bodies, each with a love of individual freedom coupled with a deep desire to defend our way of life, and anti-socialist to their very core.

Reagan once said that he had not left the Democratic Party, the Democratic Party had left him. I’m not sure that in voting Republican any time since the end of World War II that there has been any fundamental shift in the underlying philosophy of what that meant. But in voting Democrat, everything of substance has changed.

November 22 remains a date that I always notice, but one which fewer and fewer now do, even among those who personally remember that terrible day in Dallas.

Individuals make a difference. The Great Man theory of history is true so far as it goes, but there is only so much room anyone can manoeuvre. I don’t wish to be too political, but JFK could not survive in the Democratic Party as it has now become. Like Reagan and Trump, he would have had to become a Republican to have found a political home.

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69 Responses to JFK assassination @ 55

  1. stackja

    Nixon got the most real votes in the 1960 election. JFK declared winner. Questions about whether JFK handled the office wisely persist.

  2. vlad

    JFK took the world to the brink of destruction needlessly. Rolled the dice and won; but what if he’d lost?

  3. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    I wonder who shot him?

    A ex – Marine rifleman, by the name of Lee Harvey Oswald. There was no grand conspiracy.

  4. Aynsley Kellow

    JFK was over-rated. Most of the civil rights legislation was passed under LBJ – the most under-rated – who worked across the aisle using threats, cooling, calling in debts, etc. JFK and RFK as A-G were not even enforcing legislation that was on the books.

  5. Old School Conservative

    Steve, you make the assumption that JFK would, in 2018, hold on to his 1960’s policies.
    I believe he would adapt his policies in order to get elected and hence would become a natural fit in today’s leftist milleau.
    He’d be all over global warming, renewables, big government, Emily’s List quotas, marital infidelity and associations with the thugs of the CFMEU.

  6. Confused Old Misfit

    JFK took the world to the brink of destruction needlessly. Rolled the dice and won; but what if he’d lost?

    What if he hadn’t rolled the dice?

  7. Old School Conservative

    Aynsley Kellow
    #2869642, posted on November 22, 2018 at 7:58 pm
    JFK was over-rated

    Yes, the History Channel agrees with you:
    ….he was unable to achieve much of his proposed legislation during his lifetime, including two of his biggest priorities: income tax cuts and a civil rights bill.
    I also found that his best selling book “Profiles in Courage” was secretly ghost written by Theodore Sorenson.

  8. Leigh Lowe

    mh

    #2869632, posted on November 22, 2018 at 7:36 pm

    I wonder who shot him?

    James Earl Ray.

  9. stackja

    OSC – Joe Kennedy organized much.

  10. stackja

    LL – KGB organized much.

  11. Confused Old Misfit

    Crap out?

    That wasn’t really an option though.

  12. Gavin R Putland

    Meanwhile we have an open breach between the POTUS and the CJOTUS:
    https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1065346909362143232

  13. Texas Jack

    Aside from enough philandering to make the #MeToo generation close up shop the most famous Dead Kennedy gave us “ask not what your country can do for you…” which I know was written to encourage greater enthusiasm for civic awareness but could be a catch-cry for the modern Liberal Party if turned toward reducing the ever-expanding expectations on the state.

  14. Robber Baron

    Australia had its very own JFK…one Malcolm Fitzgerald Turnbull cut down in his prime on the verge of greatness by assassin Lee Harvey Dutton.

    If only Malcolm had a brother.

  15. Rae

    Nixon got the most real votes in the 1960 election. JFK declared winner.

    JFK easily won the electoral college vote, therefore winning the Presidency. Daylight was second, Nixon came third. The popular vote was closer, but Kennedy won that too.

  16. Nob

    Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
    #2869634, posted on November 22, 2018 at 7:39 pm
    I wonder who shot him?

    A ex – Marine rifleman, by the name of Lee Harvey Oswald. There was no grand conspiracy.

    Could easily have been a conspiracy. Oswald was the perfect patsy.

    Sure he could shoot, but the rest of the set-up wasn’t really his forte.
    Ruby would have been part of the plan too.

    Who got Oswald do it?

    I still like McCarry’s theory in The Tears of Autumn. And he was in the CIA at the time.

    Not gonna spoil the book for you, but it’s the perfect antidote to Graham Greene.

  17. Texas Jack

    Posner’s work, Case Closed, is worth a read. Panned by the conspiracy brigade, it’s thorough and mesmerising.

  18. Iampeter

    John Fitzgerald Kennedy, Ronald Reagan and Donald Trump. Not a racist bone in their bodies, each with a love of individual freedom coupled with a deep desire to defend our way of life, and anti-socialist to their very core.

    Hahahaahahahahahahahahahahaaha

  19. Iampeter

    HAhahaahhaahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

  20. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Not gonna spoil the book for you, but it’s the perfect antidote to Graham Greene.

    Read the book some time ago. The thinking is now that condoning the murder of Diem was one of the worst mistakes the Americans ever made – Diem was far more effective at crushing the Viet Cong insurgency then he was ever given credit for, and, after his murder, the Americans “owned” the war.

  21. Iampeter

    Wait, wait…let’s get serious now…HAHAHAHAHAhahahahahaahahha

  22. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Posner’s work, Case Closed, is worth a read. Panned by the conspiracy brigade, it’s thorough and mesmerising.

    I’ll second that one, Texas Jack.

  23. vlad

    What if he hadn’t rolled the dice?

    Answer: sweet Felicity Arkwright.

    It didn’t matter whether the ICBMs were in Cuba or Moscow and JFK knew it. Supersonic flight made mockery of distance.

    I’ve read Case Closed from cover to cover and it closed the case for me, too.

  24. vlad

    OT and a propos of nothing, JFK was the richest individual to occupy the White House up until DJT. Adjusted for inflation he had a net worth (I’ve read) of around one billion.

    Nice teeth, and a great swimmer, which came in handy in WW2. But definitely overrated.

  25. Chris M

    Australia had its very own JFK…one Malcolm Fitzgerald Turnbull…. If only Malcolm had a brother.

    Well he has a son, would that do? IamP and Monty would vote for him.

  26. JohnA

    Also the same anniversary of departures of
    – CS Lewis (one of my two favourite 20th Century author/Christians)
    – Aldous Huxley (famous atheist)

  27. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    I’ve read Case Closed from cover to cover and it closed the case for me, too.

    I didn’t see the Oliver Stone film “JFK” – apparently, it depicted Lee Harvey Oswald’s former weapons instructor in the USMC being placed in the Texas Schoolbook Depository, and stating that Oswald couldn’t have made those three shots.

    It seems, from Posner’s book, that, when Lee Harvey Oswald’s former weapons instructor was placed at the “sniper’s nest”, he said Lee Harvey Oswald couldn’t have missed, even if he wanted to.

  28. C.L.

    For the love of Mike …

    Most of the civil rights legislation was passed under LBJ – the most under-rated – who worked across the aisle using threats, cooling, calling in debts, etc.

    Johnson was a communist asshole and the most corrupt president in US history.
    The Civil Rights Act 1964 was passed by Republicans.
    Yes, you read that right.
    The Democrats were totally in thrall to their terrorist wing, the Ku Klux Klan.

    By party

    The record of the roll call vote kept by the House Clerk on final passage of the bill

    The original House version:

    Democratic Party: 152–96 (61–39%)
    Republican Party: 138–34 (80–20%)

    Cloture in the Senate:

    Democratic Party: 44–23 (66–34%)
    Republican Party: 27–6 (82–18%)

    The Senate version:

    Democratic Party: 46–21 (69–31%)
    Republican Party: 27–6 (82–18%)

    The Senate version, voted on by the House:

    Democratic Party: 153–91 (63–37%)
    Republican Party: 136–35 (80–20%)

    ——————————-

    JFK took the world to the brink of destruction needlessly. Rolled the dice and won …

    No, he rolled the dice and lost.
    The Cuban Missile Crisis was the direct result of Kennedy’s “missile gap” lies during the 1960 campaign. The only gap that existed was that between America’s stupendous missile superiority and the USSR’s woeful inadequacy by comparison. Kennedy was confidentially told the US was WAY out in front and that it wasn’t a good idea to goad Russia into building more nuclear bombs by committing the US to doing so. He ignored that advice. Nixon was of course aware the “missile gap” was a reckless, mendacious pose but kept quiet about American superiority out of a patriotic sense of national interest.

    Following Kennedy’s victory, Russia understandably sought to leverage for itself a strategic advantage in Cuba given the new President had promised to ramp up missile production. Having brought the world to the brink, in the end the Kennedys used a secret back-channel with Moscow to surrender. They removed the Jupiter arsenal in Turkey to purchase a Russian withdrawal from Cuba. Kennedy’s nauseatingly sycophantic admirers in the press explained away the Jupiters as “obsolete” but – even if true – it was hardly the point, strategically. If Kennedy ‘won’ the CMC, it was only as a triumph over himself.

    ——————————-

    All of that aside, it’s true Kennedy hated leftism and would have no place in the modern Democrat Party.

  29. TheSenator

    It was LBJ who had Kennedy, amongst others, shot.

    LBJ embraced the Democrat ethos. See where the wind blows, use your imagination and do anything (certainly whatever it takes) to attain power.

    Smart chappie. He may yet have those &^%%[email protected] voting Democrat for 200 years.

  30. Aynsley Kellow

    C.L.: ‘They removed the Jupiter arsenal in Turkey to purchase a Russian withdrawal from Cuba.’
    The Jupiter missiles were worthless as a second strike weapon. They sat above the ground, were liquid fuelled, and could only be kept in a state of readiness for a very short time. They were sitting ducks for a conventional airstrike, so only of use as first strike weapons.

  31. Anon Mahnà

    LBJ had the JFK killed by the mob, who were happy to do it for various reasons.
    Joe Pistone (aka Donnie Brasco) once asked a made guy whether he knew who killed JFK. “Yeah. We did it,” was the response.
    Proof is in the papers DJT released.

  32. Robbo

    JFK, overrated and oversexed. If today was his time he would still be a Democrat because all the Kennedy’s were interested in was power and getting there meant they did whatever it takes. None of them actually believed in anything except themselves. Sounds a bit like Bill Shorten doesn’t it?

  33. TheSenator

    LBJ had the JFK killed by the mob, who were happy to do it for various reasons.

    No and yes. They were likely part of the unholy coalition, though very much at arms-length. Neither LBJ nor any sensible politician wanted to be beholden to the mob. They probably had Jack Ruby shoot LHO, which was important in quashing suggestions of conspiracy, which would’ve resulted in the FBI taking over the investigation from the Dallas Police.

  34. stackja

    C.L.
    #2869749, posted on November 22, 2018 at 11:57 pm

    Everett Dirksen
    During 10 of his 11 years as party floor leader, the number of Senate Republicans never exceeded 36. Yet, as a supremely creative and resourceful legislator, Dirksen routinely influenced the agenda of the majority-party Democrats. His willingness to change position on issues earned him designations ranging from “statesman” to “Grand Old Chameleon.”

    On the subject of Senate leadership, it was Dirksen who said, “There are 100 diverse personalities in the U.S. Senate. Oh Great God. What an amazing and dissonant 100 personalities they are! What an amazing thing it is to harmonize them.”

  35. lotocoti

    Time to re-read American Tabloid.

  36. Mother Lode

    It was LBJ who had Kennedy, amongst others, shot.

    Also involved were the Easter Bunny, the militant wing of the military, and JFK.

    Oswald was not a real person, but various portions stolen from a morgue stitched together – if you watch the footage you can see the wires that make him move marionette-like.

    The proof lies in the fact there is no proof – every conspiracy has some detail which is consistent (the Chicago Syndicate and the CIA didn’t like him, conflicting reports of where the sound of the rifle shot originated etc).

    But the real conspirators revealed themselves by covering their tracks too well – because they knew exactly what they were trying to cover.

  37. JFK
    Martin Luther King
    RFK

    Their passing changed the world.
    None more than RFK.

  38. Rae

    JFK
    Martin Luther King
    RFK

    Their passing changed the world.
    None more than RFK.

    Agreed. The assassination of RFK allowed Tricky Dicky to become President.

  39. ACTOldFart

    Hey wait a minute, who said JFK was dead?

  40. Tim Neilson

    The Civil Rights Act 1964 was passed by Republicans.
    Yes, you read that right.

    True so far as it goes, but LBJ signed it in.

    He did so because he knew that welfare dependency and left wing voting tendencies go together like bread and butter.

    “I’ll have those gingers* voting Democrat for the next 200 years”, he’s quoted as saying. (*may be an anagram)

  41. AlanR

    Ronnie Regan stalled and avoided the whole AIDS crisis, discouraged research which has resulted in an estimated 33 million deaths world wide. An utter failure as a decent human being.

  42. mh

    If only Ted had been shot as well.

  43. Perplexed of Brisbane

    Ronnie Regan stalled and avoided the whole AIDS crisis, discouraged research which has resulted in an estimated 33 million deaths world wide. An utter failure as a decent human being.

    Once the way AIDS is spread was discovered, it should have been easy to wipe out. But that would mean people’s risky behaviour would have to change.

    Now there are retroviral drugs available, those old risky behaviours are surfacing again.

    Note: the heterosexual AIDS explosion didn’t happen as predicted by those who were trying to project because of their own poor choices.

    For those of us who don’t engage in those practices, we barely have to worry about AIDS at all, unless you are in the Emergency Services / Medical profession who have to deal with them in emergency situations.

  44. Muddy

    No-one ever becomes discredited or a laughing stock on their side, do they?

    The Making of a Quagmire:

    Pulitzer-prize winning author David Halberstam’s eyewitness account of the most critical political period of U.S. involvement in Vietnam-the Kennedy/Diem era-remains as fresh and stimulating today as when it was first published in 1965. In the introduction to this edition, historian Daniel J. Singal provides crucial background information that was unavailable when the book was written.

  45. Makka

    JFK took the world to the brink of destruction needlessly.

    The set up for this debacle was entirely due to the prior Administration under Ike and the Dulles bros. The S was HingTF before Kennedy was inaugurated and the megalomaniac Dulles undermined JFK from the get go. Hoover was a nutter by this stage. Kennedy was under siege from his own team from the start which is probably his biggest failing. Far too many carry overs.

  46. C.L.

    The Jupiter missiles were worthless as a second strike weapon. They sat above the ground, were liquid fuelled, and could only be kept in a state of readiness for a very short time. They were sitting ducks for a conventional airstrike, so only of use as first strike weapons.

    So Kennedy withdrew actual first-strike nuclear missiles in Turkey to barter away non-built, non-operative, possibly even phony first-strike nuclear missiles in Cuba.

    By any estimation, that is a massive strategic loss.

  47. JC

    AlanR

    The best way to avoid AIDS is to stop having sex by way of the poop hole as it was never intended for that purpose. Reagan has nothing to do with that.

  48. Derp

    I wonder who shot him?

    Magneto.
    But he fucked it up because he was trying to save him.

  49. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    In the introduction to this edition, historian Daniel J. Singal provides crucial background information that was unavailable when the book was written.

    Thanks for that, Muddy, I’m bagging a copy.

  50. AlanR

    Dear JC and Perplexed of Brisbane – lattest UN figures estimate 35 million world wide have died of AIDS. Of this figure only 6% are from the USA and Europe (estimate). But of course neither of you would know about this because both of you have your head so far up your own arses nothing else could get in.

  51. Derp

    If only Malcolm had a brother.

    If he did have a twin brother, Mal would have white-anted and absorbed him in the womb.

  52. JC

    AlanR

    The US president doesn’t have any direct responsibility for people dying of AIDS. Moreover the first anti-viral medications were a cocktail of very expensive drugs that were inappropriate for most people around the world because the infected person required extended rest when taking them. Rest and relaxation is a first world thing.

    Again, if you stopped sticking penises in poop holes and the numbers of sexual partners in the poor world was reduced AIDS would not be a problem. What you are supporting is risky behaviour without consequences and then demanding the goberment bail you out without consequences. Moral hazard is a bitch.

  53. Muddy

    Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
    #2870099, posted on November 23, 2018 at 3:36 pm

    In the introduction to this edition, historian Daniel J. Singal provides crucial background information that was unavailable when the book was written.

    Thanks for that, Muddy, I’m bagging a copy.

    That’s an OOOPS! on my part, Zulu. I wasn’t recommending it, as I have neither read it, nor do I have any belief in the credibility of Mr. Halberstam to be an objective observer. I’ve mentioned Mark Moyar’s work to you previously; from his writings and others, the South Vietnamese Government (Diem at the time) would have been better served having Halberstam et al ‘disappeared.’ Together with Cabot-Lodge, they stirred, fabricated, and got fed false information via Viet Cong spies which contributed largely (though not solely) to the pot boiling over.

    That Halberstam has a reprint 55 years after he helped to launch his country into the quagmire, is astonishing.

  54. AlanR

    JC #1 take a history lesson and #2 educate yourself about how the HIV birus is spread. Till then don’t flaunt your ignorance and prejudices publically.

  55. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    That’s an OOOPS! on my part, Zulu. I wasn’t recommending it, as I have neither read it, nor do I have any belief in the credibility of Mr. Halberstam to be an objective observer.

    No need for any OOOPS, Muddy, I read the book years ago, I’m wondering if the “information that was unavailable when the book was written” includes the fact that Halberstam’s main source in the South Vietnamese Government was a double agent…

  56. Muddy

    Zulu,
    You’re probably talking about the same book I read earlier this year (I cannot recall the title right now). I was a little dubious about its validity, but certainly wouldn’t rule out its claims completely. There are also too many other sources that raise questions about the influence of the North on the gullible resident U.S. media (with some exceptions), which seemed to have an abnormal influence on some of the decision-makers back home, to rule out the possibility.

    As mentioned above, it astonishes me that some of those who got it so wrong (Neil Sheehan, anybody?), are still making money from their role.

  57. JC

    AlanR

    Here’s the interpretation of da “history” as I understand it.

    If you’re heterosexual, don’t fuck around very much -preferably a long term partner- you’re not going to become HIV positive. Period.

    You’re bumbling around veering from sanctimony to outright stupidity.

    A US political figure has zero responsibility to find a cure for you as result of your risky behavior. Now buzz off.

  58. JC

    One other thing. I’m a light smoker and fully aware of the risks. If I go down to an illness directly related to my habit, I’m not going to blame Reagan, Bush, Clinton, Bush, the Kenyan or Trump for not spending lots of money finding a cure for me. I’m to blame and it’s my problem.

  59. Perplexed of Brisbane

    Sorry Alan,

    I’ve never tried that. I’ll defer to your experience and knowledge that it is possible to fit your head there.

    You are correct about the spread of AIDS in the third world. They do struggle to obtain knowledge of what spreads it and they don’t have the western luxury of being able to choose to change their behaviour as often those behaviours earn money to live, or of having access to drugs that will help them.

    I agree with the other commenters on this. Don’t engage in anal sex, share needles and as was pointed out by the late Larry Pickering; ladies, don’t let your bi-sexual partner perform anal sex on you. That helps spread it into the mainstream community.

    Have a monogamous relationship with a partner of the opposite sex and both stay faithful and you won’t have to worry about AIDS. First world problems hey?

  60. vlad

    This is the article I read a few years ago on the phoney Cuban Missile Crisis.

    “Everything you think you know about those 13 days is wrong.”

    Unless you’re a Cat, of course.

  61. vlad

    And as for RFK … see the movie BOBBY for footage of Bobby himself in actual footage sitting down with primary school kids – a la Turdbull when he announced the incandescent light globe ban – and telling them that by 1975 we’ll have to wear gas masks to go outside in New York, ie if he isn’t elected POTUS (I’m guessing).

    He wasn’t elected President and you can go outside in New York without a gas mask as of 2018 and counting.

  62. Muddy

    vlad.
    Thanks for the link. Most interesting.

  63. Snoopy

    Thanks vlad. Praise the Lord for Sirhan Sirhan.

  64. Fisky

    Ted Cruz’s dad has much to answer for.

  65. Eyrie

    The Cuban missile crisis was the result of JFK’s gutlessness at the Bay of Pigs.
    Killing the commies in Cuba might also have convinced the Cong in Vietnam that they were next in line for elimination.
    LBJ was a piece of human shit. Gutless with no redeeming features whatsoever.

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