Victorian election 2018

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  1. Fisky

    Belt and Road may end up being more successful than the Washington Consensus because of the different structures, i.e. state firms run by Party members according to central plans

    Should work brilliantly. Always does!

  2. JC

    WTF is belt and road. Sounds like an s & m thing.

  3. Infidel Tiger

    OBOR is the greatest threat to the world we currently face.

    My god. This is basic shot.

  4. JC

    Doesn’t the federal government have to give the okay for a foreign investment? The state could find a buyer, but ultimately the decision to approve rests with the Feds. No?

  5. mh

    Fisky
    #2871168, posted on November 25, 2018 at 1:15 am

    …..That will require state governments to take an axe to their own credential cartel, which they are not going to do.

    The Commonwealth Public Service is becoming a lot browner.

  6. mh

    Headline at the Age:

    I asked Therese, ‘Have you read The Communist Manifesto?’

  7. iain russell

    Love your work Mont! Insanely humorous.

  8. Mark A

    iain russell
    #2871191, posted on November 25, 2018 at 2:35 am

    Love your work Mont! Insanely humorous.

    Humorously insane perhaps?

  9. None

    I told you Victorians are comatose. Remember half the states is on ice and the rest are just morons. Yes the Libs are bad but Victorians voted for free tampons. And it will get worse because Andrews is touting this as a win for progressive politics. Now Victoria’s going to look like California. Totally broke half the state stoned, business fleeing, more migrants then long-term Aussies with the inner city hipsters ensconced in their walled suburbs. Actually worse because Andrews has sold Victoria to the Chinese and that’s how is going to fund elections from now on. Astonishing. The State Premier has sold out to the Chinese while pushing legislation to kill Australians either by abortion or euthanasia.

  10. Steve

    Labor now has endless millions to spend from hidden admin fees raked off hapless members in the Union Super Funds. Wakey wakey…

  11. Tel

    On the bright side… it’s only Victoria.

  12. Herodotus

    Phew! Thank goodness for that, monty says the MOU is “not binding”.
    Just like those UN compacts that have to be signed.

  13. Mater

    So Labor’s been return with an increased majority and been given a resounding mandate for fraud, deception and disdain for the law?
    Good people of Victoria: Hold your family tight and your children close! 🙁

  14. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    Belt and Road may end up being more successful than the Washington Consensus because of the different structures, i.e. state firms run by Party members according to central plans instead of private companies looking for a quick buck through exploitation.

    hows the exploitation in your business going monty? have you go the serfs producing or still just a one xir band.

  15. min

    That MOU as I read it can only be undone by mutual agreement . I cannot see the Chinese giving up on it because Dan decides he wants out.

  16. Texas Jack

    Well Scott Morrison, what to do now? Panic? Blame it all on Andrew Bolt? Turn the party around again and go even harder down the Turnbull-approved mimic-Labor path?

    All of that is crud.

    Study Trump. Differentiate your party. Smile whilst dog whistling. Chasing the fakery of out-virtuing the Left clearly won’t work.

  17. Josh

    The mornings headlines aren’t all bad.

    Preference deals pay off for microparties and wipe out Greens in Victoria’s Upper House

    https://www.theage.com.au/politics/victoria/preference-deals-pay-off-for-microparties-and-wipe-out-greens-in-victoria-s-upper-house-20181124-p50i5m.html

  18. Good to see the greens battered.
    LDP and a few others, like the Libs should realize the something aint right.

    Something tells me it is too late now for the Libs to wake up.
    Henceforth the Vic party can only shrink.

  19. struth

    The policies of voter replacement through immigration has obviously worked well.
    Ignorant of why the west was once great and as hoped by the left, these shit hole inducing cultures favoured by the marxists in immigration are doing the jobs real Aussies won’t do.
    Vote for socialism good and hard.
    Add an education system brainwashing and sexually abusing our children with cultural marxism and what do you expect to see in an election?
    Some migrants could be persuaded to vote right wing and we could pull the filth out of our schools and we might have a chance.
    But the liberals aren’t going to do it, that’s for sure.

  20. I was sitting in Sorrento last week watching the bulk ships go by and the Range Rovers circling for a park.
    I was probably the poorest bloke on the street that day and yet there’s a good chance that some of those ships making for the Heads have cargo onboard that I produced.
    And you wonder why Dan Andrews wins big?

  21. yarpos

    Interesting listening to Andrews victory speech and how proud he was of being the most “progressive”. As usual a big focus on what he percieves to be virtue signalling and apperances. He talks about “getting things done” after paying billions to not get things done, quite bizarre.

    Well we get what half the population wished for now, glad I have my generator in place and wired in.

  22. yarpos

    “On the bright side… it’s only Victoria.” yes only the second most populous and fastest growing State

  23. sfw

    I wrote to Bill Tilley my local member a few weeks ago re a local issue, basically received back a brush off letter, since then plenty of emails from the Libs asking me to vote for them. A similar thing happened when Sophie Mirabella lost her seat, she showed little interest in locals until election time. That along with Labor Lite policies, a lazy, lousy Kroger sycophant opposition leader and no idea of what people wanted left the Libs where they are. I can’t see how they can recover without a complete cleanup of the executive and the politicians.

  24. John Constantine

    The ships from the chicom Tyranny will now be sailing in carrying peoples liberation army slave labour, to build the infrastructure to service the next wave of mass imported voteherds.

    On money borrowed from the Tyrant.

    Australian union leaders will be paid bribes posing as training credential provision to agree.

    Then shorten will do a Bob hawke and sign a scrap of paper giving all chicom approved agents in Australia overnight citizenship and voting and family reunion rights.

    Hawks didn’t get his mansion working for wages.

    Comrades.

  25. John Constantine

    Peoples liberation army slave labour working in Australia must be paid Australian wages.

    Into peoples liberation army controlled bank accounts back where their debts can be repaid to the slaveowners.

    The mainland chicoms locked into the marijuana grow houses the chicom cartels pack rural Australia with are staunch.

    Chicom visa holder rents house, chicom visa electrician bypasses the mains for free power for the grow lights, chicom visa team sets up the grow house and a slave guards it, living on a bare mattress and the sacks of rice left in the kitchen.

    No communication devices to leave a trace of identity, except a burner phone.

    Sometimes a grow house is sprung by the cops, but no slave has ever talked, no cartel boss has ever been uncovered.

    Our elites complicity with Tyranny is our Strength.

    Comrades.

  26. duncanm

    Vic. is rooted — but their GST system will rise to bail them out until something goes pop.

  27. min

    Well Socialism eventually fails . I observe younger folk who have never had to pay 17% interest, suffered recessions, and never been through a war close to home. Snowflakes these days and it will hit them hard.

  28. PB

    Victoria is now full of free-shit loving migrants from second and third world shitholes. Their votes now decide everything, as Labor always intended.

  29. Bright sides.

    . Vic Libs are destroyed
    . Greens lose some

    A good time to try convince labor that the best defence against the greens et al is first past the post optional voting.

  30. Baldrick

    How much longer is it going to take the Stupid.Fucking.Liberals to learn Labor-Lite doesn’t cut it?

    Unless they’re going to offer a credible alternative on principles and policies and learn how to prosecute a campaign, they’ll fail every time.

  31. calli

    It was the free tampons that caused the landslide.

    Has to be.

  32. Baldrick, a change in policies for the Libs in Vic will make no difference.
    I think we have just witnessed the end of the Liberal Party in Victoristan.
    No coming back from here.

  33. stackja

    How long before lawless now see way clear for more ‘fun’?

  34. Baldrick

    I think we have just witnessed the end of the Liberal Party in Victoristan.

    Without an effective opposition IR there is no one to keep the checks and balances on Comrade Dan and his CFMEU Commisars.

  35. John Constantine

    Victorian stale pale godless commos this morning taking their one trophy child to the vegan communist sausage sizzle.

    Signalling their virtue by dressing him up in his best fairy princess dress, putting extra glitter on his butterfly wings to celebrate the symbolic dynamiting of the Anglosphere.

    Compare with the MCG Friday night where the eighty percent diversity crowd was cheering the downfall of the Australian cricket captain, but doing it with the energy and vitality of youth.

    Kids everywhere at the MCG, like back in the seventies, just that these families all went home to vote for socialism in the morning.

    Tipping point victory, their turnbullites have won an entire country for their billionaire property developer Landsharks paymasters.

  36. Without an effective opposition IR there is no one to keep the checks and balances on Comrade Dan and his CFMEU Commisars.

    Such a large majority will cause skirmishes because of the crowded space at the trough. This is the usual limiting factor on large ALP majorities.

  37. Mater

    Without an effective opposition IR there is no one to keep the checks and balances on Comrade Dan and his CFMEU Commisars.

    Baldrick,
    Checks and balances no longer matter. They got caught with their hand in the till…and the Vic public gave them a standing ovation (metaphorically speaking).
    I had guests over for dinner last night and the conversation turned to the election. To a person, these people had not heard anything about the Red Shirt Scandal. No guesses required for who they had voted for.
    Up until that point I was thinking that perhaps I was just insulated and had missed the best parts of the LNP Campaign. This discussion proved otherwise. The Liberal Campaign was woefully inadequate.

  38. Baldrick

    Such a large majority will cause skirmishes because of the crowded space at the trough. This is the usual limiting factor on large ALP majorities.

    The same thing happened under Used Carr in NSW. They became complacent, which bred infighting and corruption.

  39. min

    Now a psychological question , where are the morals and values of Victorian Labor politicians? Do they support the rorts, the wasting of over 1 million dollars to suppress investigations ,throwing more than a billion dollars away not to build a road and that does not allow for the interest payments or do they, unless sociopaths, put up with Cognitive Dissonance?
    Lobster with the Mobster seems to be worse than dealing with the chicoms ,unionist thugs and and a bad car accident with no breathalyser.
    Average voter has average IQ or below , average IQ is now below a 100 so promise them lots of goodies that cost 25 billion but no worries you don’t have to pay for it future generations will pay for it. Many financial guys are seeing another Recession on the cards based on past cycles we are due for one what then?

  40. Baldrick

    The Liberal Campaign was woefully inadequate.

    The fact the Stupid.Fucking.Victorian.Liberals couldn’t make a dent in Comrade Dan’s popularity says it all.

    Matthew Guy and Michael Kroger need to go.

  41. Matthew Guy and Michael Kroger need to go.

    Too late.
    The Libs in Victoristan are now irrelevant.

    In fifteen to twenty years there is a small chance that a conservative party might rise from the ashes.

  42. Snoopy

    a bad car accident with no breathalyser.

    The driver left the scene before the cops arrived. Pinging the passenger for DUI may have been a consolation prize.

  43. The hot takes here about imported voteherds are spectacularly stupid. The Libs lost this election in the sandbelt seats which are whiter than Bronwyn Bishop’s caked-on foundation.

    It reminds me of Trump losing the midterms bigly through alienating the white educated suburbanites with his openly racist schtick. There is no gerrymander to make that strategy work in Victoria.

  44. Mater

    Give us your moral stance on the Red Shirt Scandal, m0nty.
    Whatever it takes?

  45. Robber Baron

    Every Indian at a booth that I handed out HTV cards took only Labor’s card. None took a Liberal one. Not even one.

  46. H B Bear

    John Constantine at 9.18 am I think you are on to something. No-one watching the India v Australia cricket at the MCG could have missed it. Gillard the Fabian may not have filled the MCG with illegal immigrants but the UNiparty and Treasury have done the job for them. If you believe the minority voting patters (and there is no reason not to) the Lieborals are losing on all fronts. Literally the only thing that sees them elected is Liar corruption and incompetence = see Abbott 2013.

  47. Hard to believe my seat, Nepean, went to Labor.

  48. John Constantine

    I handed out how to vote cards in a marginal electorate yesterday. Only a smaller percentage diversity than State average, but overwhelmingly the optically diverse voters took socialisms voting materials.

    Don’t need much advantage a few hundred votes can swing it.

    (No wasn’t one party State gear either)

  49. Mater

    Waiting…
    Still trying to pick which principles to wear?

  50. cuckoo

    From memory, the leadership of the Vic Libs since Kennett has been: Fatty Doyle, Red Ted Baillieu, Dennis Napthine, Matthew Guy. And they wonder why no-one takes them seriously.

  51. Mater

    LOL
    Thanks mh, I enjoyed that.

  52. Snoopy

    I handed out how to vote cards in a marginal electorate yesterday.

    (No wasn’t one party State gear either)

    ABC approved rural ‘independent’?

  53. mh

    Fatty Doyle, Red Ted Baillieu, Dennis Napthine, Matthew Guy.

    Who’s up next to find the hallowed ‘middle ground’?

  54. Mater, like the voters of Victoria, I could see through that confected outrage. It was a minor actuarial error. Not worth the string of front pages the Hun gave it.

    This was another election in which the Murdoch press had no effect, despite their best efforts at spruiking for one side.

  55. Anthony

    Liberal Party members have been floundering in the wilderness since the Howard Govt was removed from office. Those who should be governing are kept out by treacherous in-house progressives to whom are too slowly being weeded out. Mr Andrews deserved to win in Victoria. There was no-one on the Liberal side of the political divide with a large enough personality to overshadow him with better policy.
    The Liberals’ need some tough, rough and tumble football-coach-like personalities replete with good public policies up their sleeves, sourced from the wider community and industry. Not wimpy bedwetters who’ve never had a real job outside of politics, university, or unionism who can’t make decisions for themselves, and who can take strong criticism of their actions in their stride!

  56. Tel

    “On the bright side… it’s only Victoria.” yes only the second most populous and fastest growing State

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Australian_states_and_territories_by_gross_state_product

    NSW beats Victoria in share of national economy. NSW, NT, ACT & WA all beat Victoria in GSP per capita, and I might point out that in terms of GSP per capita Victoria’s growth isn’t much chop either (WA has gone backwards in this regard, but that’s explained by the end of the mining boom).

    As for big population, so what? Bangladesh has a population five times bigger than Australia… I suppose you aspire to live like that then?!?

  57. Tel

    It was a minor actuarial error.

    Isn’t that exactly what the Enron guys said?

  58. Mater

    It was a minor actuarial error. Not worth the string of front pages the Hun gave it.

    Ok. So now address the attempted cover up and the lack of cooperation with the investigation/police.

  59. Mmyes Mater, this is really the right day to Benghazi up the place.

    No one cares.

  60. duncanm

    m0nty
    #2871282, posted on November 25, 2018 at 9:45 am
    whiter than Bronwyn Bishop’s caked-on foundation.

    I’ll pay that. Monty made a funny.

  61. Unbeleivable – the public are to lies continually , man made climate change, they are racist, they hate females, there is a law for sex, people obsessed with celebrities and their lies eg Malcolm turn all who bought the worst and despicable behavior into the liberal party. The gutlessness of the socialist as they slag off everyone while hiding behind our defense force and their parents homes. Oz is a massively fractured place, the labor party has achieved its goal watch as the does leave this country and go to low taxed or sensible countries such as singapoe, South Korea Japan, Croatia. Lebanon is also a destination with min govt interference. Wake up liberal party and start telling the truth.

  62. Linden

    Don’t too cocky, he get traded LOL

  63. Oh there’s bill shorten – Malcolm’s touché is right behind him

  64. Tel

    You honour it was a minor wardrobe malfunction… somehow the money ended up in my trousers!

  65. Linden

    boy stuffed that up, the Andrews effect on Victorians

  66. Oh there is bill shorten -Malcolm’s tongue is right behind him

  67. JC

    Oz is a massively fractured place, the labor party has achieved its goal watch as the does leave this country and go to low taxed or sensible countries such as singapoe, South Korea Japan, Croatia. Lebanon is also a destination with min govt interference.

    John, they don’t exactly sound like paradises.

  68. Insiders ABC @InsidersABC

    “Swanning around the suburbs that you’ve never been to in your Burberry trench coat lecturing people about the cost of living – people pick fakes”
    @DanielAndrewsMP responds to demands for Micahel Kroger to resign following the Liberal’s devastating defeat yesterday. #insiders

    Nice one Dan. The Spring St jacuzzi crowd liked that one.

    https://twitter.com/insidersabc/status/1066457985587675139?s=21

  69. Linden

    Yeah that is for sure, Mr Nice Guy, as with woman and as with politics, they don’t ever win the prize!! Never ever at any stage gained any political traction at all. The Libs are stuffed, they may as well pack it up, and let a new conservative party get cracking.

  70. Ginger

    Now Victoria’s going to look like California.

    Jobs growth, wages growth, running a surplus? How terrible.

  71. flyingduk

    glad I have my generator in place and wired in

    Yes, but have you hidden it in a soundproof shed? They are going to start taxing home generators soon you know, after they finish putting water meters on private dams.

  72. Deliberate fraud of the taxpayer a ‘minor actuarial error’. You can say this when you’re in power.

  73. Linden

    May as well, nothing else will work, go with that and he might get a big surprise, that is if he has got the ticker to hold out against the barrage of abuse from the socialists.

  74. mh

    Does Michael Kroger wear the bow tie with the Burberry trench coat?

  75. Linden

    Thanks for that little gem, has made my date in light of the general result. The preference voting is crap, you may not want to vote at all from someone etc, but preferences force you to do that albeit with your least favored vote, you should be allowed to vote for only the one you want to, nothing else.

  76. Bill Thompson

    Outside Insiders – Brendan O’Connor was inbound when I tried to ask him about issues which might be his Ministerial responsibility in an incoming federal Labor government next year…

    https://youtu.be/2tPY4fJP3TQ

  77. The limitations of the Murdoch press approach of waging long-running campaigns is shown up in things like the Red Shirts yarn. It bore no impact on regular voters, so they didn’t care. The unions have more than enough money to pay ALP campaign workers. At least someone wanted to work on an ALP campaign lol.

    Trumpism doesn’t work in Australia. Neither does Mormon-inspired fake moralism.

  78. John Constantine

    The attempt to tax rainfall that falls into farm dams was too much too soon.

    Now comes the push for farm dams to be seen as killing the planet through algae doing carbon as it rots.

    Therefore farm dams must be filled in and all water supplied as a taxed ration at the pleasure of the State.

  79. candy

    Victorians like the Andrews brand of socislism and ok with the fraud. That’s democracy. I do think there’s a protest against LNP for dumping Turnbull though. I believe he is quite popular in Melbourne at least. He really could lead Federal Labor or Greens very well indeed.

  80. H B Bear

    Lotsa advice from mUnty today. Don’ t forget to feed the squirrels in your excitement.

  81. H B Bear

    Lord Waffles was always popular with people who would never vote Lieboral. That’s not how it works though.

  82. At least someone wanted to work on an ALP campaign

    The broken clock is right twice in one day.

    The thing I noticed at my booth was the age of the two liberal HTV people.
    15 and 17. The kids of the candidate? Work experience school kids?

    There were five ALP HTV people. Even the greens had 3.

    This base level support is key to winning elections.

  83. Tel

    The first rule of minor actuarial errors is nobody talks about minor actuarial errors. Got it?!?

  84. Mater

    The limitations of the Murdoch press approach of waging long-running campaigns is shown up in things like the Red Shirts yarn. It bore no impact on regular voters, so they didn’t care.

    It was in Fairfax, too.
    You are right, though.

    It bore no impact on regular voters, so they didn’t care.

    It reminds me of Niemöller‘s poem. How did that end up?

  85. The Libs should conduct a root-and-branch purge of Mormon elements. Then again the Lib PM is a happy clapper, so maybe the party is lost already.

  86. John Constantine

    Comrade Citizen, you do not have to fear the State supporting the proles in the supply of lifes essentials.

    It is an entitlement for supporting the State with all your heart.

  87. Snoopy

    The unions have more than enough money to pay ALP campaign workers. At least someone wanted to work on an ALP campaign lol.

    Monty perfectly illustrates the banality of much corruption. It’s usually not necessary for someone’s livelihood or an organisation’s survival. The corrupt behave that way because they can. They do it for intrinsic rewards, not financial rewards.

  88. Andreas

    The Libs should conduct a root-and-branch purge of Mormon elements.

    mUnty finds a religion he doesn’t like?

  89. candy

    H B Bear. Times have changed, I think Turnbull could enmesh with Labor, especially in the light of climate change which the young seriously are scared of. A big issue apparently.

  90. Snoopy

    There were five ALP HTV people.

    Paid by unions.

    Even the greens had 3.

    Paid by environmental NGO’s.

    I recall a ‘scandal’ twenty or so years ago when the Nats paid Young Nats booth workers. The media was outraged.

  91. John Constantine

    The most committed Stalinist activists on my social media all had their kids employed actually counting and tallying the votes.

    Comrades.

  92. Harken Now

    Enlightenment I bring to Bubble Central, courtesy of George Megaologenis:

    This electoral spanking has been years in the making. The Victorians Liberals have been hijacked by fanatics. They blew up their last state government and are now so far to the right of the people that they remind me of Victorian Labor under the militant left in the 1960s.

    The culture warriors are too young to remember Bill Hartley, which is why they repeat his history as farce. The short story is the hard left in Victoria made Labor undetectable [sic? unelectable?] federally. Gough had to intervene in the state in 1970 as a precondition for victory in 1972.

    Like the Hartley crew, the culture warriors blame ordinary Australians for not sharing their obsessions. At least Gough’s Labor had an idea of where the political centre was. They were still a mass-member party. The Liberals, like Labor today are a major party in name only.

    The PM talks about the Canberra bubble. The biggest bubble in Australian life today is the one the culture warriors – Liberals and their media mates – inhabit. Now I’m burying my lead, but the Liberals would do better at the next federal election with Julie Bishop as leader.

  93. areff

    The thing I noticed at my booth was the age of the two liberal HTV people.
    15 and 17. The kids of the candidate? Work experience school kids?

    There were five ALP HTV people. Even the greens had 3.

    No hope of the Libs taking my seat, not in a million years, but still ….

    at the early voting booth there were half a dozen red shirts, a bevy of greens, four volunteers representing the two independents …… and not one Liberal doing the HTV thing when I arrived. Not one.

    One the way out there was a Liberal. Asked him where he’d been earlier and he replied that nature had called.

    Sad state of affairs when attending to your bowels leaves a party entirely unrepresented.

    Oh, and the Lib HTVer also opined that Guy is a “strong leader”.

    Even sadder when you have to recruit your workers from the local sheltered workshop.

  94. Senile Old Guy

    This base level support is key to winning elections.

    The LNP have been crapping on their base for years. Remember Textor:

    The qualitative evidence is they don’t matter,’’ Mr Textor said. “The sum of a more centrist approach outweighs any alleged marginal loss of so-called base voters.

    That worked, didn’t it?

  95. stackja

    Riot police, helicopter swarm to Mornington Peninsula after chaos erupts
    Caitlin Guilfoyle, Herald Sun
    2 minutes ago
    Subscriber only

    Schoolies celebrations on the Mornington Peninsula descended into ugly violence last night, with bottles hurled at police who were monitoring more than 300 revellers.

    Riot police with shields and batons converged on the Rye foreshore after officers were targeted by the unruly youths about 9.30pm.

    One video shows flares being set off from the roof of a house in Rye during the confrontation.

    Schoolie Luke donohoe, 17, said he’d never seen riot police until last night.

    “Police had riot masks on, I’ve never seen the riot stuff before,” he said.

    “It’s a bit of a shock when you see it.

    “I woke up to a text message (from my parents) saying what happened, explain.”

    Rye resident Richard Smallwood chose to delist his property from Airbnb throughout the schoolies period out of concerns for his property.

  96. H B Bear

    Half the problem with schoolies now is you now have 18yo “adults” held in school by compulsion of the State.

  97. Ubique

    The US needs to carve off both coasts and live happily ever after.

    There’s nothing in the US that couldn’t be fixed by arresting and deporting all of the Democrats to Venezuela which country is now desperately short of people, having driven its own population away. It shouldn’t be hard, especially since there are so few Dems with military service experience.

  98. Ubique

    The Victorian Liberals blew up their last state government and are now so far to the right of the people

    Being “so far to the right” means you have a policy straight out of the Greens copybook to subsidise the purchase of household electrical appliances? It’s more like the Victorian Liberals are so far to the left they are seen as faux-socialists. Why have Liberal Socialists when you can have the real thing by voting Labor or the Greens?

  99. a reader

    Dear Dan,
    I know you think that you’re more intelligent than us lowly serfs that have to vote in elections but I think you may want to have a read of your dictionary before you next use big words. What you actually mean to say is:

    “We are the most REgressive government in the nation, we are the most REgressive state in the nation.

    Nothing you’re social justice warrior mates and union hacks have proposed is in any way progressive. Legislating state sanctioned murder of citizens is not progressive. Taxing the living hell out of manufacturers and other businesses is not progressive. Destroying community volunteer organisations (CFA) to favour the 5% of unionists is not progressive. Not preventing your ministers from cooperating with police investigations is not progressive.

    I could keep going but if you haven’t got it yet then let me explain. Killing people is regressive, dark ages stuff. Destroying your economy leads to poor living conditions which is pre-enlightenment and industrial revolution stuff. Destroying community spirit and dividing the community into fractious groups is pre-Magna Carta stuff. Not allowing proper investigation of corruption allegations is communist dictatorial stuff.

  100. duncanm

    Schoolies celebrations on the Mornington Peninsula descended into ugly violence last night, with bottles hurled at police who were monitoring more than 300 revellers.

    so basically a ‘riot’ occurred because police were there. A bunch of drunk kids, who were at worst likely to damage some airBNB, were ‘monitored’ by riot police.

    Meanwhile, gangs-of-no-description roam.

  101. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    I was mortified’: Party insider spills on Liberal campaign shambles

    Samantha Hutchinson
    Victorian State Political Writer
    30 minutes ago November 25, 2018
    No Comments

    A leadership team with “egos as big as houses but not necessarily the brains to match” has been blamed for the Victorian Liberal Party’s thumping in yesterday’s state election, with an insider accusing the campaign team of extreme dysfunction.

    A consultant to the party, and former Bendigo candidate, Megan Purcell, has revealed her experience from three weeks spent inside the campaign, claiming the Liberal Party’s campaign team was allegedly so riven by a refusal to delegate, that Opposition Leader Matthew Guy was directly involved in details including which streets the campaign bus would drive down, which in her view was at the expense of policy development and campaigning.

    “I spent the last three weeks at CHQ and I was mortified. It was an embarrassment to the professionalism I have seen elsewhere,” Ms Purcell said in explosive Facebook spray .

    “The leader and his team were directly involved in details of things like what specific streets the bus driver should drive on but not focused on big issues like actually winning votes with good policy,” Ms Purcell said.

    Planning was also shambolic, she said, so that “each campaign day was mapped out, planned and then scrapped and started again numerous times, often late at night.”

    From the Oz.

  102. Snoopy

    but not focused on big issues like actually winning votes with good policy,” Ms Purcell said.

    What about the free televisions? She’s lying.

  103. stackja

    duncanm
    #2871504, posted on November 25, 2018 at 1:40 pm

    Police now ‘parenting’? Parents celebrating ALP ‘victory’?

  104. Snoopy at 11:31 am
    I recall a ‘scandal’ twenty or so years ago when the Nats paid Young Nats booth workers. The media was outraged.

    Their ABC, Oct last year, this is the entire article:
    “A Nationals Party staffer with NSW Electoral Commission officials in Young.” With a photo of the young lass, supplied by The Shooters, Fishers and Farmers party(?)
    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-10-14/nationals-staffer-approached-by-electoral-officials/9050414

    Drawing a long string here…
    https://www.theherald.com.au/story/4987611/dirty-tricks-alleged-as-voting-takes-place-in-critical-nsw-byelections/

    Old News: March 2008, it isn’t like they didn’t know
    https://www.theage.com.au/national/ailing-liberals-need-young-members-says-president-20080331-ge6wqt.html

    Now we hear to prevent a recurrence of Jim Molan got more senate votes combined than the rest, they’ve dropped him completely from the Senate ticket?????

    I’m beginning to think the Liberals don’t actually want to win the next election…

  105. Rohan

    m0nty
    #2871282, posted on November 25, 2018 at 9:45 am
    The hot takes here about imported voteherds are spectacularly stupid. The Libs lost this election in the sandbelt seats which are whiter than Bronwyn Bishop’s caked-on foundation.

    WTF are you talking about Monty. I live on one of these sandbelt seats. Its a Labour stronghold AND well over 50% ethnic in its constituency.

    Go eat another donut.

  106. Boambee John

    Lackey of the fascist left at 1054

    The unions have more than enough money to pay ALP campaign workers.

    Yet they stole from the taxpayers instead. Why use your own money when you can use someone else’s? Answer :rampant greed, typical of the fascist left.

  107. Harken Now

    Dee Madigan:

    In chasing some mythical base of racist climate change denier protectionists, the Libs have lost their actual bases. #insiders

    Feel free to discuss

  108. Marcus

    m0nty
    #2871339, posted on November 25, 2018 at 10:54 am
    The limitations of the Murdoch press approach of waging long-running campaigns is shown up in things like the Red Shirts yarn. It bore no impact on regular voters, so they didn’t care.

    There’s probably a lot of truth to that. I think a lot of voters just “price in” sleazy or unethical behaviour when they’re judging politicians so that when news like the Red Shirts scandal breaks, they just don’t care. Hell, look how many corrupt world leaders there are who have widespread support in their homelands.

    Of course, if a third of the Labor caucus has to be booted over this particular scandal and the voters have to go to the polls again over this, then they’d be pissed. It’ll be pretty funny if Andrews is forced into minority government within a few months of his landslide.

  109. In hindsight, the Libs should have led their campaign with a promise to legalize mooning.

    Dan, who banned the practice, only banned it because he often confused it with mirrors.

  110. Linden

    And we have a Chief Commissioner one that is now completely compromised of any independence investing this, no one needs 3 guesses to know what is going to happen here.

  111. Linden

    I for one think that you are 100% right about this, what’s that old saying, nothing corrupts more than absolute power. We have a premier who will do until we get a fully blown dictator.

  112. miltonf

    But labor got less than 50% first preference in the LA?

    Thing is we voted for Abbott in 2013 and got Trumble,

    The croweaters threw out Weatherdill and got the same polices anyway. Would have been very similar in Vico I suspect especially when you consider the LNP government 2010 to 2014.

  113. Bill Thompson

    Unlike most citizens of Victoria, Dan gets to travel with a police escort & use the secure underground carpark. Oddly, lots of Victorian voters seem OK with that at present.

    https://youtu.be/MCXmwNBTHq4

  114. tom paul

    This is what happens when Bleeding Heart Lefty’s have become a majority in the Educational system. Then in itself is a Joke. Avi, You will succeed, this is not the end mate. Victorian Voters are angry mindless morons. If this happens in NSW, May as well give Australia to the Chinese and Muslims. This is SERIOUS, Wake UP AUSTRALIA, your days are numbered as a FREE COUNTRY. We need to get rid of SBS and ABC for starters, they are biased maggots.

  115. Harken Now

    The wisdom of this elder is being much recalled on Twitter today:

    Chris Kenny
    ‏Verified account @chriskkenny

    Daniel Andrews is finished. Soft on crime. Paid a billion dollars not to build a tunnel. Siphoned taxpayers’ money to get elected. A drovers dog could beat him.
    9:30 AM – 22 Mar 2018

  116. Galeoturpis

    I don’t live in Victoria so I perused their policies. I couldn’t find a slogan or a single reason to vote for them. The vibe was that we’ll manage things better -schools, transport, justice system. Pretty much baseless claims and trying to ride off the coattails of the Napthine govt or Morrison govt (hint -there’s not much momentum from those). I couldn’t find a policy worth adopting nor a quote worth repeating. There is to find from the micro parties. Even Steven Marshall in SA did a better policy job!
    Daniel Andrews was hardly attacked.
    The campaign was an absolute shocker and had no content and no substance.
    You have to fight for ideas in politics and this campaign wasn’t laborlite or liberal wet -it was nothing.
    The only problem having so many iOS chucked out is that there are few to taste the emptiness of opposition and get a hunger back.

  117. JC those countries many not sound like paradise but I have met people moving there because it’s easy and the news is actually what is happening on thr street. PS thanks for replying i just cannot understand t.he lies people are swallowing. By the way go Paris – how long before the locals . Haste their idiot president and start violence against the refugees.

  118. Snoopy

    Of course, if a third of the Labor caucus has to be booted over this particular scandal and the voters have to go to the polls again over this, then they’d be pissed.

    I’ll win Lotto before that happens and I don’t even buy tickets.

  119. AH

    @Galeoturpis, you put your finger on it. The Liberals didn’t give people give any reason for people to vote for them. They’ve been in complete disarray since Kennett was voted out in 1999.

  120. Marcus

    I don’t live in Victoria so I perused their policies. I couldn’t find a slogan or a single reason to vote for them. The vibe was that we’ll manage things better -schools, transport, justice system. Pretty much baseless claims and trying to ride off the coattails of the Napthine govt or Morrison govt (hint -there’s not much momentum from those). I couldn’t find a policy worth adopting nor a quote worth repeating. There is to find from the micro parties. Even Steven Marshall in SA did a better policy job!
    Daniel Andrews was hardly attacked.
    The campaign was an absolute shocker and had no content and no substance.

    About the campaign, it has to be said that the guy doing voiceovers for the Liberals’ ads sounded like he could have been selling second-hand mattresses on public access television at 2 AM. It was kind of hard to take their claims seriously when their ads were so schlocky.

  121. manalive

    Andrews was re-elected on a promise to have Victoria on 50% ‘renewables’ by 2030 which ought to be a worry to not only Victorians, South Australia is also dependent on Victorian brown coal power to keep the ‘lights on’– to the extent that they have been up to now.

  122. The Victorian Liberals ran a perfect Turnbull campaign: say nothing, stand for nothing and, when asked for details, refer people to your website for your complete plan. Campaigning like a government bureaucrat will never win an election. Time for change. Step 1: get rid of the two Ks, Kennett and Kroger. They are as toxic to the Liberals as Hillary Clinton is to the Democrats. Step 2: take note of the IPA membership drive in the universities which is slowly but steadily bearing fruit. Young people are where the action is and the Liberals have to stop looking and acting like stereotypes of pale, stale males.

  123. Craig Mc

    There’s a lot of ruin in a nation. Somewhat less in a state.

  124. H B Bear

    There’s a lot of ruin in a nation. Somewhat less in a state.

    Yep. Ask anyone who was around when Mother Russia was in charge.

  125. Deplorable

    I was probably the poorest bloke on the street that day and yet there’s a good chance that some of those ships making for the Heads have cargo onboard that I produced.
    And you wonder why Dan Andrews wins big?

    More than likely the ships had just dropped off all the Chinese manufactured goods that we used to produce and export but power prices and stupid renewable energy closed it all down. As a farmer I doubt you were the poorest there as if you are exporting produce you would need substantial asset’s to produce.
    I keep laughing all the time when I think of the socialist future that is ahead for all the left wankers. This state and country is stuffed but hey let’s keep importing from shitholes so Australia becomes a shithole after all its about equality and diversity and multiculti.

  126. Seco

    Step 2: take note of the IPA membership drive in the universities which is slowly but steadily bearing fruit. Young people are where the action is and the Liberals have to stop looking and acting like stereotypes of pale, stale males.

    Yes, because we could use another Tim Wilson.

  127. Deplorable

    Yes, because we could use another Tim Wilson.

    😂😂😂😂😂😂. Enough of princesses

  128. Tim Neilson

    Step 1: get rid of the two Ks, Kennett and Kroger. They are as toxic to the Liberals as Hillary Clinton is to the Democrats.

    I agree about Kroger; a sort of Michael Trumble south of the Murray.

    I don’t know whether Kennett is detrimental inside the party, but as a public figure he’s a positive. As best I can tell he’s actually not unpopular with people who might vote Coalition if they were given a reason to do so. And he’s a reminder to the voters of the days when the Liberals could actually do something – which might be toxic to the Photios Party of the present but if they’re humiliated by the comparison so much the better.

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