Monday Forum: November 26, 2018

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  1. C.L.

    Boys Will Be Boys by Clementine Ford is a fantastic resource for men who want a better understanding of their place in the world from the point of view of women.

    LOL.

  2. C.L.

    Police are struggling to identify a motive:

    Driver Targets Jews In Hancock Park.

    HANCOCK PARK (CBSLA) — Some people in a Hancock Park neighborhood said a driver targeted them because they are Jewish. Now police are investigating the incident as a possible hate crime.

    The suspect in the case, identified as Mohammed Mohammed, was arrested on charges of assault with a deadly weapon.

  3. C.L.

    Police are struggling to identify a motive:

    Driver Targets J-ws In Hancock Park.

    HANCOCK PARK (CBSLA) — Some people in a Hancock Park neighborhood said a driver targeted them because they are J-wish. Now police are investigating the incident as a possible hate crime.

    The suspect in the case, identified as Mohammed Mohammed, was arrested on charges of assault with a deadly weapon.

  4. zyconoclast

    A French court acquitted a refugee from Bangladesh for the [email protected] of a high-school girl after the defense argued the immigrant had “different cultural norms” that may have caused him to misinterpret his contact with the girl.

    The refugee also was charged with s3xually assaulting another young girl. Both incidents happened in 2015. He was given a suspended sentenced of two years in prison for the s3xual-assault charge, reported Voice of Europe, citing the French news site La Manche Libre.

    The report said experts who investigated the refugee, who was not named, pointed out that in the male culture of Muslim-majority Bangladesh, “women are relegated to the status of s3xual object.”

    Voice of Europe said the accused, age 18 at the time of [email protected], went for a walk with a 16-year-old girl who attended the same high school in Saint-Lô, France.

    The teen kissed the woman and groped her g3nitals, according to the complaint, and she managed to leave the room. She reported the incident to the principal of her school who informed police.

    Police closed the case after the refugee insisted the girl was consenting. She later attempted suicide and was hospitalized for a week.

    Four months after the initial incident, the refugee was arrested again.

  5. zyconoclast

    University clears professor who wrote on Facebook about hating white people

    A professor at Rutgers University has been cleared of wrongdoing by the school after he wrote an anti-white Facebook post earlier this year. The school determined that, in writing about his hatred of white people on his personal Facebook account, the professor did not violate any university policy.

  6. Tom

    Oh, noes! POTUS45 has just noticed that CNN worldwide anti-American propaganda monopoly courtesy of its exclusive deal with airports:

    Donald J. Trump‏Verified account @realDonaldTrump
    While CNN doesn’t do great in the United States based on ratings, outside of the U.S. they have very little competition. Throughout the world, CNN has a powerful voice portraying the United States in an unfair……..and false way. Something has to be done, including the possibility of the United States starting our own Worldwide Network to show the World the way we really are, GREAT!

  7. zyconoclast

    999 NO-GO ZONES More than 1,400 addresses where ambulances won’t go without police protection revealed as attacks on paramedics soar
    Around eight paramedics are subjected to a serious attack every day, including stabbings and s3xual assault.

  8. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    While men are physically stronger than women, the femarxist lives in fear.

    the femarxist does not live in fear, they seek to strike fear into non marxists

  9. Nick

    Something has to be done, including the possibility of the United States starting our own Worldwide Network to show the World the way we really are, GREAT!

    I can’t wait for ABC types to rail against the unfairness of a powerful, unchecked, State funded media organisation. Oh the ironing.

  10. Boambee John

    From Instapundit. No political bias shown at all!

    FLASHBACK: Border Agents Pepper Spray Rock-Throwing Migrant Crowd — Under Obama. Nobody was shrieking in outrage then, because Lightworker.

  11. zyconoclast

    Parents were ‘dismissed as racist’ by school officials when they complained about 6ft 1ins Iranian migrant posing as a 15-year-old who appeared in their children’s classroom

    A couple of weeks after the start of this term, pupils at Stoke High School in Ipswich were told that a new boy was joining their GCSE class.

    His name was Siavash, and he had quite a life story: Born in Iran, the teenager had been forced to flee the Middle Eastern theocracy in mysterious circumstances, and had since managed to cross Europe, with only a younger brother for company.

    Having arrived in the UK – it’s not clear how – the duo promptly claimed asylum, declaring themselves to be 15 and 12 years old respectively.

  12. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    Boys Will Be Boys by Clementine Ford is a fantastic resource for men who want a better understanding of their place in the world from the point of view of womenmarxists.

    fixings. cuckoldry 101

  13. areff

    Julia Banks quits Libs. Will sit as an independent.

    What was that about an election not coming until may?

  14. Baldrick

    The Stupid.Fucking.Liberals just lost another vote in the HoR:

    Bevan Shields ✔ @BevanShields
    BREAKING: Liberal MP Julia Banks is defecting to the crossbench in a major body blow to the Coalition government’s grip on power

  15. zyconoclast

    Why the Announcement of a Looming White Minority Makes Demographers Nervous

    In a nation preoccupied by race, the moment when white Americans will make up less than half the country’s population has become an object of fascination.

    For white nationalists, it signifies a kind of doomsday clock counting down to the end of racial and cultural dominance. For progressives who seek an end to Republican power, the year points to inevitable political triumph, when they imagine voters of color will rise up and hand victories to the Democratic Party.

  16. zyconoclast

    White Liberals Present Themselves as Less Competent in Interactions with African-Americans

    According to new research by Cydney Dupree, assistant professor of organizational behavior at Yale SOM, white liberals tend to downplay their own verbal competence in exchanges with racial minorities, compared to how other white Americans act in such exchanges. The study is scheduled for publication in the Journal of Personality and Social Psychology.

    While many previous studies have examined how people who hold racial bias behave in multi-racial settings, few have studied how whites who are more well-intentioned interact with people of other races. “There’s less work that explores how well-intentioned whites try to get along with racial minorities,” Dupree says. “We wanted to know their strategies for increasing connections between members of different social groups—and how effective these strategies are.”

  17. Mother Lode

    When, when there are wars, the men do most of the slain, or return with terrible injuries?

    Clemmie would consider that war is caused by men too. So if the men are injured by other men, at the behest of men, it is really self inflicted because they are men.

    Women, if they were in charge, would never have war.

    Now, as Clemmie would explain, women have been everywhere and everywhen oppressed by men, and denied their true nature. But, if women were in charge, we can take it that the less aggressive posture they held while oppressed (her calculus) would continue.

    But would they be so placid. Well, are women uniformly caring and peaceful among women? Well, no. So to assume that women in charge means instant peace is based on the assumption that women, freed from men, will still act like they are oppressed by men. But freely.

  18. Clem Ford:

    Why is it that so many people still seem intent on assigning gender and meaning to clothes?

    Because clothing is invested with meaning. That is why trannies dress in a hyper-feminine manner and butch dykes wear biker gear.

  19. Ubique

    Has anyone here read the “Guns of August”?

    Yes, read it in the mid 70’s at Duntroon. Excellent.

  20. zyconoclast

    Malema tells black professionals: ‘Before we crush the white system, let’s build our own’

    “The white man hates the idea of equality”, EFF leader Julius Malema told a gathering of black professionals in Sandton on Friday.

    “They hate the EFF, not because we have guns, but because we speak the language of equality and they hate that. They view us as sub-human and they will not live among sub-humans.

    “When you empower sub-humans that is a threat to white supremacy, they will disappear,” he said to a rousing applause.

  21. Notafan

    How much of the Liberal vote hasn’t gone left, but to the Aus Cons or even the likes of the rather left leaning One nation?

    Neither of those parties ran in the Vic lower house and AC didn’t run in the Vic upper house either.

    Labor gains seem to be mostly in upper middle suburbs, a demographic that have collectively gulped down the green dream so forget about them, they won’t change tack until their masters admit climate change is a fraud.

    I don’t think at a state level anyone on the right will get in unless Labor manage to destroy the joint

    not something to look forward to but it will happen

    At a federal level things might look different if libs pick up on ‘populist’ concerns about immigration and energy, though there are so few climate deniers’ in the LNP I doubt they will do much unless the ‘science’ is completely discredited.

    Immigration and the housing ponzi is where the libs might have a chance-if they bother but I doubt it, the majority think they just need to keep leaning further left.

    I can’t see AC doing much outside the Senate, I assume that is what they are saving all their money for.

    I’d like to see Latham back in parliament too.

    I’m not pinning my hopes on AC or One Nation, I think things have to get much worse here before people wake up

    Took hundreds of thousands of illegals swarming Italy before they shifted right.

    France got sucked in by Macron who had at least some decent labour reform policies and the French are tough on terror -may come completely undone by idiotic commitment to climate crap.

  22. BREAKING: Liberal MP Julia Banks is defecting to the crossbench in a major body blow to the Coalition government’s grip on power

    Duplicitous.

  23. calli

    Never trust a Julie or a Julia.

  24. Lysander

    BREAKING: Liberal MP Julia Banks is defecting to the crossbench in a major body blow to the Coalition government’s grip on power

    What the fuck? Jesus Christ I’m sick of these pansies.

  25. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    BREAKING: Liberal MP Julia Banks is defecting to the crossbench in a major body blow to the Coalition government’s grip on power

    Mrs Shorten might as well organize the removal now.

  26. Infidel Tiger

    The Stupid.Fucking.Liberals just lost another vote in the HoR:

    Bevan Shields ✔ @BevanShields
    BREAKING: Liberal MP Julia Banks is defecting to the crossbench in a major body blow to the Coalition government’s grip on power

    Put us out of our misery please Morro.

    Give us Shorten now.

    The Liberal Party must be physically and mentally destroyed.

  27. Ubique

    The planned revision to the immigration law would see an estimated 340,000 blue-collar foreign workers enter Japan’s rapidly thinning labor market over a five-year period, marking an apparent break from the nation’s long-standing policy of keeping immigrants out. Nonetheless, the Abe administration has long argued that the revised law, despite its potentially wide-ranging implications, does not equate to Japan shifting toward accepting immigrants.

    Japan has to take serious steps to address its disastrously low fertility rate of 1.4 (children per woman). Otherwise the Japanese race faces extinction.

  28. Baldrick

    Libs now down to 74 in the 150 seat HoR.

    Malcolm’s plan on completely destroying the SFL’s just ratcheted up another notch.

  29. Mother Lode

    Honest question regarding the hollowing out of the Libs’ votes.

    Where, then, are they going?

    In the Senate they can go to the Personality Cult Loony Party, fine. But in the lower house are they being transferred to Labor? Because they will signal that that is where they must go to get them back.

    If you think along the same lines as Textor then you would take it that the die-hards are clinging on because they have nowhere else to go, and others are leaching into the left.

    I like the idea of the new start up parties becoming a third alternative, but I honestly don’t think they have the cut through. They give a few speeches and occasionally get quoted in the press, but they don’t really have the clout that they can change what happens. People will listen to a credible opposition, and an opposition can stymie a government.

    You need to be big enough to really count.

    If we are to get a proper voice from the right, it will involve either a long time being built up (either from the ground or from a split), or re-taking the Liberal party from the progressive mediocrities.

    Then we can celebrate. We could have a Maolcolm Turnbull pinata. All we have to do is stuff him full of lollies, hang him from a tree, and belt him with sticks.

    Well, I don’t really need the lollies.

  30. zyconoclast

    Melbourne water sector taps into Indigenous knowledge

    Melbourne’s water businesses have come together to encourage Indigenous Australians to participate in the water industry.

    Melbourne Water, South East Water, City West Water and Yarra Valley Water have collectively recruited Terori Hareko-Samios as Senior Project Manager – First Nation Values of Water.

    Hareko-Samios will help the water businesses increase their understanding of Indigenous Australians’ connection to Country.

    To achieve that goal, since starting in June, Hareko-Samios has led two workshops focusing on cultural knowledge exchange training and First Nation peoples’ connection to land and water.

    “I’m enjoying this new role, there’s a commitment and a lot of goodwill to build strong relationships with the First Nation community [and] Traditional Owners and to build First Nation Water Values knowledge,” Hareko-Samios said.

    The initiative comes after the Victorian Government announced the first recipients of its Aboriginal Water Grants Program in July.

    This aims to improve water outcomes for Aboriginal Victorians by increasing the input of traditional knowledge from Indigenous owners.

    City West Water Managing Director David Ryan said it is important to understand how traditional knowledge can be used to enhance water management and ensure Indigenous Australians are represented in the water sector.

    “Over generations, First Nation peoples have managed land and water sustainably, and this role will allow us to tap into their centuries of knowledge and experience,” Ryan said.

    “It’s vital that as an industry, we recognise the cultural, spiritual and economic connections First Nation peoples have to land, water and resources in their relationship to Country.”

  31. Nick

    Malema tells black professionals: ‘Before we crush the white system, let’s build our own’

    They already have, it’s called Africa.

  32. Ubique

    Julia Banks has seen the writing on the wall. In the State of Victoriastan, she obviously figures she has a better chance of being re-elected as an independent than being shot down as a Liberal.

  33. Infidel Tiger

    Laundy, O’Dwyer, Turnbull, Banks et al salting the earth on the way out.

    It will be worth having Shorten just to be rid of this filth.

  34. Tintarella di Luna

    Aussie Battlers Party

    Really?

    Vern Hughes eh? finally got a seat in parliament — ask Stephen Mayne about Vern Hughes and the People Power Party —

  35. candy

    Where, then, are they going?

    It’s a shame they did not try Dutton. Mucking around with centre type leaders is too confusing.

  36. Nick

    “Over generations, First Nation peoples have managed land and water sustainably, and this role will allow us to tap into their centuries of knowledge and experience,” Ryan said.

    I seriously cannot wait till indigenous management options are provided to those who prefer them regarding medicine, law enforcement, social security, energy etc.

  37. Dr Faustus

    Mxz Banks move is apparently because of the departure of Malcolm Turnbull and former deputy leader and foreign minister Julie Bishop. Both visionary, inspiring leaders of sensible centrist liberal values..”

    It turns out that these Liberal Saints were victims of hideous reactionaries:

    Their actions were undeniably for themselves. For their position in the party. Their power. Their personal ambition. Not for the Australian people who we represent. Not for what people voted for in the 2016 election. Not for stability. And disregarding that teamwork and unity delivers success.

    She pines for the loyalty, selflessness, team-spirit and stability of the Miserable Ghost of Wentworth.

  38. Lysander

    Surely there’s just one more regressive Libfuck who will join Julia Banks and wants to make a big name for themselves in history; aka 1975.

    (Sorry Cats, angry today lol!)

  39. candy

    Ms Banks move is apparently because of the departure of Malcolm Turnbull and former deputy leader and foreign minister Julie Bishop

    I’m not convinced Julie Bishop will bail along with Julie Banks. She still has hopes of something grander.

  40. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    “Over generations, First Nation peoples have managed land and water sustainably, and this role will allow us to tap into their centuries of knowledge and experience,” Ryan said.

    how do you translate “sustainable” in any aboriginal dialect? anyone? … beuler…. beuler… beuler…

  41. H B Bear

    Julia Banks with her final “Look at me” dummy spit to save the voters having to throw her out.

    Good riddance.

  42. Lysander

    Where’s Dot when you need him? Ok, I’ll say it for him:

    STUPID. FUCKING. LIBERALS.

  43. jupes

    City West Water Managing Director David Ryan said it is important to understand how traditional knowledge can be used to enhance water management and ensure Indigenous Australians are represented in the water sector.

    “Over generations, First Nation peoples have managed land and water sustainably, and this role will allow us to tap into their centuries of knowledge and experience,” Ryan said.

    “It’s vital that as an industry, we recognise the cultural, spiritual and economic connections First Nation peoples have to land, water and resources in their relationship to Country.”

    This is The Emperor’s New Clothes level bullshit. He knows that we know he is bullshitting but he doesn’t care. No one will publicly challenge him on this.

    The only people who require Aboriginal knowledge are those who want to walk naked through the desert. Even then I doubt there are any Aborigines left who still know how to do that.

  44. lotocoti

    Their Malcolm’s actions were undeniably for themselves himself . For their his position in the party.
    Their His power. Their His personal ambition.

    Corrected for no charge.

  45. .

    The Liberal Party is why I have come to the conclusion that homeschooling is far superior to sending your kids to an elite private school.

    Where is the last decent conservative or classical Liberal Leader that Victoria had? Must have been Henry Bolte. Kennet paid off the debt, big deal, millions of us pay off our own debts anyway.

    Those elite private schools must knock the soul or sincerity out of the kids.

    We’re not seeing anyone coming from these schools turn out to be conservative heroes.

    Remember, politics is a game to these people. Much like the law is to many judges, yet both affect the lives of millions.

  46. Tom

    Aboriginal Water Grants Program

    Oh, FFS.

    As if there isn’t already a tsunami of free taxpayer cash for blackfellas.

  47. Infidel Tiger

    I’m not convinced Julie Bishop will bail along with Julie Banks. She still has hopes of something grander.

    More plastic surgery?

    More parties?

    More fashion shows?

  48. mh

    HANCOCK PARK (CBSLA) — Some people in a Hancock Park neighborhood said a driver targeted them because they are J-wish. Now police are investigating the incident as a possible hate crime.

    The suspect in the case, identified as Mohammed Mohammed, was arrested on charges of assault with a deadly weapon.

    They’ll keep voting Democrat though.

  49. .

    Aboriginal Water Grants Program

    Okay.

    Through Water for Victoria, the Victorian Government is investing $4.7 million over four years in research on Country and local projects with Traditional Owners and Aboriginal Victorians to properly understand Aboriginal water values, uses, aims and requirements; including cultural heritage.

    So if they don’t have the cultural memory, how will…nevermind.

  50. struth

    Japan has to take serious steps to address its disastrously low fertility rate of 1.4 (children per woman). Otherwise the Japanese race faces extinction.

    Populate or perish!!!!

    FMD.

    If you let immigrants flood in, how does that help the Japanese race?

    Secondly, Japan is a bloody small place, they could probably do with less people.
    If you want more Japanese, you enact policies to make people want kids and feel they can easily afford them and the future of the country is sound.

    People who believe population equals wealth are incredibly thick.
    (I know you didn’t say that)
    The proof is that only a brief look at the world proves otherwise.
    Populate or perish was a slogan more concerned with the size of armies when the amount of cannon fodder you commanded was of utmost importance.

  51. Tintarella di Luna

    I’m not convinced Julie Bishop will bail along with Julie Banks. She still has hopes of something grander.

    not forgetting the chemical face peels that results in having to hide for three days.

  52. .

    If you want more Japanese, you enact policies to make people want kids and feel they can easily afford them and the future of the country is sound.

    The only western government doing anything like this at all is the US (Mr Trump).

    I can’t see the Japanese dying out just yet either.

  53. Tintarella di Luna

    Populate or perish was a slogan more concerned with the size of armies when the amount of cannon fodder you commanded was of utmost importance.

    We had the procreation of the faith drummed into us in second class at our Catholic primary school.

  54. P

    Former Tory minister and government whip Baroness Trumpington has died at the age of 96.

    The peer, who retired from the Lords last year, served in the Department of Health and Ministry of Agriculture in the 1980s and 1990s.
    Seven years ago, footage showing her making a V-sign at a fellow Tory over what she saw as a rude remark about her age went viral online.
    In the World War Two, she worked in naval intelligence at Bletchley Park.

    BBC

    Bletchley Park Code Breakers – Baroness Trumpington (youtube)

  55. struth

    Over generations, First Nation peoples have managed land and water sustainably, and this role will allow us to tap into their centuries of knowledge and experience,” Ryan said.

    Aboriginal land management practices:

    Kill each other off and die of the simplest illness, due to fighting, superstition and no technology, therefore, besides burning the country so they don’t get bitten by snakes on their nomadic starvation barefoot walkabouts, they had no hope of impacting the environment.

    Being such a stone age failure of a culture that you couldn’t impact the environment if you tried, is not “management”

  56. Mother Lode

    His name was Siavash

    The usual Iranian version of ‘Savage’.

  57. .

    Being such a stone age failure of a culture that you couldn’t impact the environment if you tried

    Tried, and it went very badly.

    Firestick farming was responsible for desertification of much of Australia, including the destruction of cycad forests. It was not sustainable!

  58. JC:

    Yea, but would he actually close the border permanently? I reckon there’s chance he would. 🙂

    Look at his past dealings.
    Trump has said, and carried out his threat of “Better no deal, than a bad deal.”
    He’l also slap punitive measures against the Mexicans for not dealing with the problem in the first place.
    Trump is not a man who accepts these kinds of brazen threats from people who have gotten Billions of dollars worth of support from the US.

  59. Elle

    The ‘DelCons’ predicted the implosion and destruction of the Libs a long time ago. Their prediction – spot on!

  60. struth

    Tried, and it went very badly

    My point being, they weren’t trying to “manage the environment”

    Their mission was to eat and they barely got that achieved.

    In anyway thinking blackfellas had the concern for the environment and managing it other than to put food in their guts, is a fucking ignorant, ahistorical, lying, western hating political activist.

    Because you really can’t be that thick………………………………………

  61. Notafan

    Firestick farming was responsible for desertification of much of Australia,

    maybe

    but ‘firestick farming’ is not unique to Australian aborigines

    I’d suggest that there are other more sophisticated ways to manage land.

    Don’t do what muslims do and let goats overgraze though.

    The Basque have successfully grazed sheep in their high country for thousands of years

  62. Boambee John

    calli
    #2873217, posted on November 27, 2018 at 12:20 pm
    Never trust a Julie or a Julia.

    Or a Malcolm. Not yet certain about Kevin, limited data, but Welsh born leaders are also doubtful.

  63. .

    I wasn’t making that point struth (FFS). No one knows what some black dude was thinking 300 years ago. Which is why these grants are a sham. Give us money, we recover permanently lost oral cultural knowledge without any written history?

    Ultimately these things are really patronising. Propose a grant like this for white people. You’d be rightly pegged as a charlatan or nuts. But then the idea is fine for black people?

    Really awful, in an insidious and long-term way.

  64. Cactus

    So like many I presume that the Liberals are well and truly toast at the next Federal Election. That is the lower house of course. What I think we quietly and naively hopeful for is an obstructionist Senate. On my read – the last 6 of each senators + all 4 territory senators are up for election.

    I think up for election on centre right that might try to not blow up the budget is 16
    14 Liberals/LDP +
    1 Nationals +
    1 LDP +

    A further 3 for One Nation can perhaps be relied on for border security.

    On the other side is tax, spend + open borders 21
    Labor 13
    Greens 6
    NXT 1
    Justice 1

    Unfortunately for us, the Greens 6 are spread across each state. It is probably likely each of them will be returned.
    I think LDP is likely gone in NSW (presume to 1 of the lottery minor parties).
    In South Australia there are 3 Liberals, 1 Labor, 1 NXT, 1 Green. That is likely Liberals losing at least 1 to Labor or Greens.
    Tasmania is 3 Labor, 2 Liberals, 1 Green. Could it be possible that 1 minor party gets up? Or will it stay 4:2 to Left/Right?

    Anyway – I wargamed a few scenarios based on each state I think the next Senate will be
    Liberal/National/LDP – 33
    Labor/Greens – 38

    Which means Labor/Greens just need to get 1 of the 5 cross bench to vote for tax/spend/open borders.
    Cross bench could be
    1 Justice, 3 NXT, 1 Lambie.

    Sorry guys – Tax and Spend it is.

  65. Dear Lib MPs,

    Unless you currently have more than 20% margin, you will probably lose your seat at the next election.
    With nothing to lose, you might take a huge step right, learn some principles and run with the conservatives.

  66. .

    Good analysis Cactus. Outside of a truly stonewalling, glorious bastard Senate, we’re gonna hit 1 trillion in Federal debt.

    No ACP at all?

  67. Cactus

    My list of people up for election – I could be wrong though.

    NSW
    Concetta Fierravanti-Wells Liberal
    Doug Cameron Labor
    Lee Rhiannon Greens
    John Williams Nationals
    Brian Burston One Nation
    David Leyonhjelm LDP

    Vic
    Jacinta Collins Labor
    James Paterson Liberal
    Gavin Marshall Labor
    Derryn Hinch Justice
    Janet Rice Greens
    Jane Hume Liberal

    QLD
    Claire Moore Labor
    Ian Macdonald Liberal
    Larissa Waters / Andrew Bartlett Greens
    Barry O’Sullivan Liberal
    Chris Ketter Labor
    Malcolm Roberts / Fraser Anning One Nation

    WA
    Pat Dodson Labor
    Linda Reynolds Liberal
    Chris Back Liberal
    Louise Pratt Labor
    Rod Culleton One Nation
    Rachel Siewert Greens

    SA
    Anne Ruston Liberal
    Alex Gallacher Labor
    David Fawcett Liberal
    Skye Kakoschke-Moore / Tim Storer NXT
    Sarah Hanson-Young Greens
    Bob Day [d] Lucy Gichuhi Liberal

    TAS
    Jonathon Duniam Liberal
    Carol Brown Labor
    David Bushby Liberal
    Lisa Singh Labor
    Catryna Bilyk Labor
    Nick McKim Greens

    ACT
    Katy Gallagher Labor
    Zed Seselja Liberal

    NT
    Malarndirri McCarthy Labor
    Nigel Scullion Liberal

  68. .

    In the immortal words of McDeadman…

    Senator McKim…is a xunt.

  69. Cactus

    . said -> No ACP at all?

    Well I put up all the senators for you to have a look at.
    Hope I got it right.
    The last 2 spots on the Senate could go anywhere with preference whispering.
    But does anyone know how the reforms from the double dissaolution election work?
    I thought there was a limit to preferences going through 80 minor parties until you found a home with a motoring enthusiast party?

  70. Mater

    With nothing to lose, you might take a huge step right, learn some principles and run with the conservatives.

    I know that most of them are scientifically illiterate, but let’s try the empirical evidence route:

    When did the LNP have it’s last big election win?
    What platform and policies were you running with when this occurred?

  71. Cactus

    What I meant was last 2 spots of 6 in each state could go anywhere…

  72. struth

    In the bush it is not uncommon for large numbers of blackfellas to go on holidays together by car.
    It’s a taxpayer funded holiday the refer to as “sorry business”

    They often have fire services standing by because wherever they pull up, they start burning the place.

    They’ll tell you it’s to clear snakes away, and all sorts of Australian bities.

    I washed a wanker once who got told this by a blackfella, and became quite upset, actually arguing with the blackfella as to why he did it.
    The white fella knew it was a very technical and specific form of farming, requiring thousands of years of knowledge …………………………….

    I also watched a journalism student once walk out on some real blackfellas because they told her how much they got paid by the government and royalties.

    She refused to believe them, stating as she left “everyone knows aboriginal people are the poorest and most oppressed people in the country.
    We laughed and got back to talking about local Alice Springs footy, before they went out and threw spears for the tourists again.

  73. thefrolickingmole

    Its worth pointing out the chaps who killed the missionary (and anyone else, including the shipwrecked) have advanced tech compared to the pre-contact Aboriginals.

    Or to put it another way, when they show Apocalipto on the Aboriginal channel its under the heading “science fiction”

    The Sentinelese are thought to be the last pre-Neolithic tribe in the world and have been hostile to outside visitors, including killing fishermen who washed ashore and shooting arrows at a helicopter during a welfare check after the 2004 Indian Ocean tsunami.

    Its seriously stupid the way uni wackerdemics are trying to call crap land management “ancient knowledge” and shifting the definitions of farming.
    Its not big, and its not clever.

  74. struth

    Strangely , I washed a wanker, was meant to be I watched a wanker….
    and it was what I actually wrote in the comment box, noticing it before I posted in the lower text.

    Somebody is having fun at my expense.

  75. C.L.

    Julia Banks just put John Hewson out of a job.
    He thought he was safely ensconced as the ABC’s paramount “respected conservative.”

  76. Cactus

    What do you realistically think is possible for the ACP in the Senate? Could they nab 1 in SA? Is that their home because of Bernadi (who I don’t think is up for election). Could he campaign effectively there?

    Could they get another 1 anywhere?

    Any chance of Jim Molan joining them? Nabbing a NSW spot?

    We really need to somehow cobble an obstructionist Senate together.

  77. .

    We’ve also got to keep in mind how terrible any new Liberal party Senators will be.

  78. Cactus

    Do you think we could crowdfund a warchest to engineer an obstructionist senate? I.e. donate funds to a central pool who’s whole goal is to get different parties elected who will keep a check on tax/spend/op borders. Perhaps an AD campaign targeted to fears of 1) Super 2) Property investors 3) self funded retirees 4) tradies etc on different topics. Perhaps putting out a different preference order per state to help ACP in South Australia, maybe LDP in NSW, One Nation in QLD and WA?

  79. Mater

    NSW
    Concetta Fierravanti-Wells Liberal
    Doug Cameron Labor
    Lee Rhiannon Greens
    John Williams Nationals
    Brian Burston One Nation
    David Leyonhjelm LDP

    I thought our very own Riccardo Bosi was running for AC in NSW?

  80. .

    I like that idea Cactus, might be a little late. I’d chip in some funds.

  81. Cactus

    I know Mark Latham is talking about NSW parliament, but really we need him in the Federal Senate.

  82. struth

    Bernardi hasn’t got what it takes to cut though without funds.

    He’ll do the traditional funded way and get nowhere instead of just by getting out there and attacking which costs SFA.

    The Liberals of Victoria were complaining they didn’t have enough funds to fight the election, claiming that was the reason the couldn’t get their message out there.
    Horse hockey.

    They said this to Credlin who said in response, we have been trying for ages to get anyone from the Victoian Liberals to come onto our show , but they wouldn’t.
    you never saw any of them on Sky after dark.
    It would have been totally free,

    but they are such jellybacked cucks, they were told going on such extremist right wing programs will do them more harm than good, so they didn’t do it.

    It’s not about funds, it’s about principles.

    Funds tend to follow them.

  83. Top Ender

    This one in the Daily Tele is attracting a lot of comments:

    TEENAGE delinquents would get a free pass to break the law under a radical plan being considered by the ­nation’s top law makers.

    Federal Attorney-General Christian Porter and his state colleagues signed off on a 12-month investigation with a view to raise the age of criminal responsibility from 10 years to as high as 16.

    It would mean children under that age could not be prosecuted because they were not considered to have a fully developed understanding of right and wrong and therefore considered incapable of committing a crime.

    A spokeswoman for Queensland Attorney-General Yvette D’Ath confirmed that while the Palaszczuk Government did not put forward the proposal, it would “join the Commonwealth and states and territories on a bipartisan working group”.

    “The Commonwealth and states and territories of all political persuasions will consider the findings when they are handed down,” she said.

    “No commitment to change legislation has been made and the Palaszczuk Government would never ­implement legislation without seeking the views of Queenslanders.”

    The spokeswoman said former Queensland Police Commissioner Bob Atkinson had recommended that the issue of the appropriate age of criminal responsibility be considered at a national level.

    The Courier-Mail understands the attorneys-general also discussed the possibility of raising the age to 16, depending on the severity of the crime. The move comes as Queensland Police continue to target youth gangs in Brisbane, which came under the spotlight after two teenagers were charged with attempted murder for allegedly running down Goodna Constable Peter McAulay, inflicting critical injuries.

    Police alleged the pair had “associations” with a group calling themselves the “Southside Gang”.

    More dedicated members of the group have the postcode 4114 tattooed on their knuckles and their crimes included robberies and armed hold-ups.

    As of Friday, there were 88 children and teenagers detained Cleveland Youth Detention Centre and 131 people in the Brisbane Youth Detention Centre.

    Another 49 young people, at least, were remanded in watch-houses across the state.

    Human rights groups have been pushing for the age to be raised arguing that emerging research about adolescent brain development shows kids don’t have a fully developed ability to reason.

    They also claim that the earlier someone enters the justice system the more likely they were to become trapped in a life of crime.

    In all Australian states, to prosecute kids aged up to 14 it must first be successfully argued the culprit understood their actions were seriously wrong in the criminal sense and not merely naughty.

    Last year, the Queensland Family and Child Commission recommended that minimum age of criminal responsibility be lifted from 10 to 12 in the state.

    According to Department of Child Safety, Youth and Women statistics, 179 young Queenslanders were in detention each day in 2016/17.

    Of those, 55 per cent were under the age of 16.

    More than 40 per cent of offenders were in detention violent crimes, while 37 per cent related to property offences, including car theft.

    Comments possible if you can get past the paywall

  84. Lysander

    Cactus; I like your thinking but conservatives suck shit at organising anything. I think it is a part of their individualistic DNA or something.

    If it were a leftist cause, it’d be done today.

  85. We really need to somehow cobble an obstructionist Senate together.

    Nah. Give it up. Time to invest in Vaseline.

  86. struth

    Speaking of Mark Latham, he has more cut though than any of the Liberals and most of the Aus Conservatives.

    What’s his funding level?

  87. Cactus

    Lysander said ” I think it is a part of their individualistic DNA or something.If it were a leftist cause, it’d be done today.”

    I think there is a lot to that.

    incoherent rambler said ” Nah. Give it up. Time to invest in Vaseline.”

    Yes – funny/pithy. But what’s the point? Just come here to fire away at your keyboard? Is it just give up and whinge? Let the left have everything? Watch this great country just sink? *sigh*

  88. calli

    Over generations, First Nation peoples have managed land and water sustainably,

    Or the land managed them.

    In times of plenty, health and increase. In times of drought, want and death.

  89. Mater

    Nah. Give it up. Time to invest in Vaseline

    Shorten isn’t handing that out for free? Perhaps Dan the man, can.

  90. Notafan

    Exactly Calli

    Where were their storehouses for the good harvest?

  91. calli

    Otherwise the Japanese race faces extinction.

    Is “Japanase” a race or a culture?

  92. Lysander

    I know Cactus; it’s a very sad situation. It’s why I drink 😛

    In other news #JudasBanks is trending.

  93. But what’s the point? Just come here to fire away at your keyboard? Is it just give up and whinge? Let the left have everything? Watch this great country just sink? *sigh*

    I’m not suggesting we give up and whinge, but the reality is that the ALP will have a huge majority in the HoR and a non-obstructionist senate.
    The best way I can think of limiting the destruction is to sow the seeds of discontent within the ALP.
    A huge majority always has problems in the fights for a place at the trough. Plenty of unrest.
    Get seditious!

  94. struth

    Is “Japanase” a race or a culture?

    Both, as they don’t believe in multiculturalism.

  95. Cactus

    On Twitter stuff Lysander – I’m afraid I ruined another dinner party on the weekend. I simple said I thought it funny that re: the #MeToo brand, they founders perhaps didn’t think that for many people # is pronounced “pound” rather than “hastag”. Well didn’t the whole place just erupt with feathers. Wife not impressed.

  96. Cactus

    Another thought – is it worth us all infiltrating the Labor party? Its worked pretty well in reverse. Why don’t we all just do that?

  97. Why don’t we all just do that?

    See above.

  98. struth

    Socialism is the biggest cause of drunkenness and drug abuse there is.

    From aboriginals who suffer extreme, ever funded socialism, to Russians and Australians, the stench of uselessness and the lack of being able to have a future, or a dream, sees where the big drinkers really are.
    Americans on the other hand are very light drinkers in comparison.

  99. Notafan

    They had more ‘leisure time’

    Are we supposed to be envious?

    I would agree though that whatever was known by pre contact Aborigines regarding ‘land management’ would mostly have been lost, if no-one has the stories/skills handed down how could it be otherwise?

    To suggest that this is somehow recoverable is fantasy.

    more on paleoliths

  100. P

    NSW
    Concetta Fierravanti-Wells Liberal
    Doug Cameron Labor
    Lee Rhiannon Greens
    John Williams Nationals
    Brian Burston One Nation
    David Leyonhjelm LDP

    I thought our very own Riccardo Bosi was running for AC in NSW?

    Lee Rhiannon has been replaced by Mehreen Faruqi.

    Sophie York I believe is first on the ticket for AC in NSW, followed by Riccardo and Kirralie.

  101. Why don’t we all just do that?

    Cactus, become the Roundup of the ALP.

  102. struth

    On Twitter stuff Lysander – I’m afraid I ruined another dinner party on the weekend. I simple said I thought it funny that re: the #MeToo brand, they founders perhaps didn’t think that for many people # is pronounced “pound” rather than “hastag”. Well didn’t the whole place just erupt with feathers. Wife not impressed.

    It might have been dinner, but it doesn’t sound like much of a party.

  103. H B Bear

    When did the LNP have it’s last big election win?
    What platform and policies were you running with when this occurred?

    That was purely a get rid of the Liars election, exactly where the Lieborals find themselves. Caligula’s horse could have won that one. You couldn’t read anything into the policy positions taken to the election, unless you voted Lieboral only to see them all abandoned.

    It was also thee election that demonstrated once and for all that no-one is unelectable.

  104. calli

    Both, as they don’t believe in multiculturalism.

    I like Japan.

    But not the “eating with sticks” bit when it’s soup.

  105. Twostix

    Japan has to take serious steps to address its disastrously low fertility rate of 1.4 (children per woman). Otherwise the Japanese race faces extinction.

    No, it simply faces a reduction in size.

    In one hundred years they may be having ten kids again.

    Inviting third world retards in while they have a contraction is what guarantees their extinction.

  106. P

    Brian Burston One Nation

    Brian Burston teamed up with Clive.

  107. Mater

    Another thought – is it worth us all infiltrating the Labor party? Its worked pretty well in reverse. Why don’t we all just do that?

    Give it time. It’ll happen. You won’t have any choice…Comrade!

  108. Twostix

    The federal government faces this malaise because it has lost the heart of (or rather declared itself independent of) the australian nation (the real, actual one that spawned it).

    If it stopped paying medicare and centrelink it would be replaced in a year.

  109. Mater

    LOLberals

    M0nty got something right.

  110. Shy Ted:

    Without revealing too much encountered Sudanese contributor yesterday. Not contributing via work, volunteering etc. Contributing via the consumption of 4L goonbag white per day. And everything that goes with that. He’s 24.

    Loser.
    When he can get through 3 goonbags a day, then he’ll have something to be proud of.

  111. thefrolickingmole

    Monty seems to think hes somehow being oppositional by posting LOLberals.

    On a thread where people are bagging the wets in charge.

    Does he get anything right?

  112. Lysander

    Well I guess Banks no longer gets to push her Paris Agreement wheelbarrow. That’s one less that ScoMal has to worry about.

  113. Shy Ted

    Police chief ordered officers not to rescue a drowning Wentworth greenkeeper, 39, heard screaming for help after he drove his van into the Thames, inquest hears.
    Police chief ordered officers not to rescue a drowning Wentworth investment banker, lawyer and ex-PM, 64, heard screaming for help after he drove his chauffeured limousine into the Sydney Harbour, inquest hears.
    If only…

  114. calli

    Inviting third world retards in while they have a contraction is what guarantees their extinction.

    Third world retards would not thrive in Japan. The place is too well run and there’s nowhere to hide and parasitise.

    Also, cause trouble and the gloves come off.

  115. Lysander

    Yup, fuck off Julia, you’re not wanted or needed:

    I’ve always been on the public record as supporting marriage equality. Marriage equality is about equality before the law. It’s about fairness, it’s about love and it’s about family. I’m so incredibly proud to be a member of the House of Representatives under the leadership of our Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull, the first Prime Minister in the history of Australia to have always unequivocally and consistently supported same-sex marriage. It was always the Turnbull government that promised Australians a right to have their say. The Labor Party blocked the plebiscite, which could have taken place earlier this year, despite the fact that the Turnbull government had a mandate from the Australian people, being an elected majority government at the 2016 federal election.

  116. Bill Thompson

    I spent a few hours in the Banking RC yesterday, listening to the examinations of NAB honchos, Andrew Thorburn & Ken Henry. Ken was in the box again this morning but it got a bit too theoretical & “core values-ish” for my tastes, so I bailed out, only to encounter what I thought was a more interesting situation outside… We agreed to differ on some issues but I commend CEC for getting involved in the public debate. Here’s Part 1:

    https://youtu.be/pD8rMF4F4Gc

  117. H B Bear

    ScoMal – pay that. The country would be in better shape if Lara Bingle was now PM.

  118. Mother Lode

    If it were a leftist cause, it’d be done today.

    And publicly funded.

  119. It is a crying shame that we don’t have something like this in Oz. Nick Ferrari’s hosting of Rees-Mogg every fortnight is professionalism personified. The last installment is brilliant. The more I learn about this deal with Germany the more May’s treachery is cast into sharp relief. This isn’t a compromise but a capitulation. The UK gains nothing and loses everything. If the Tories let this through they’re done. It says something that the two main conservative parties in the UK and Australia have completely abandoned their main constituency. A storm is brewing.

  120. Lysander

    DB; anywhere to go for a good read on that?

  121. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Thanks to whoever reminded me of Geoffrey Blainey’s “Black Kettle and Full Moon” – my replacement copy has just arrived. I’d forgotten what an epic social history the book was.

  122. Notafan

    Liberals look like losing Box Hill too

  123. Makka

    When did the LNP have it’s last big election win?
    What platform and policies were you running with when this occurred?

    You would think in such dire circumstances for the Libs and with so few options open to them, that commonsense might prevail. But, looking back to Abbott’s smashing of Rudd means the Libs admitting they have been wrong by making Abbott a pariah these last few years.

    As its stands right now, Abbott as Lib leader or elevated to Deputy PM is the only real chance the Libs have of swinging around their plummeting primary vote. It won’t happen of course. Morrison is going to cave and go all in on AGW green schemes and a huge increase to our debt. The population ponzi will continue undisturbed. In other words, the Libs become even less distinguishable from the Liars.

  124. Dr Faustus

    Federal Attorney-General Christian Porter and his state colleagues signed off on a 12-month investigation with a view to raise the age of criminal responsibility from 10 years to as high as 16.

    It would mean children under that age could not be prosecuted because they were not considered to have a fully developed understanding of right and wrong and therefore considered incapable of committing a crime.

    When this comes back in late 2019, we will find 16-year old children without a “fully developed understanding of right and wrong and therefore considered incapable of committing a crime” have been joined by current/former parliamentarians.

  125. Notafan

    It seems unreasonable to claim that Labor lost the 2013 election rather Abbott won it

    If the Libs had gone in with a #metoo on the carbon tax and a wishy washy boats policy would they have had such a resounding victory?

    It was the clear differentiation on policy that mattered to the voters that won the election for the Libs in 2013.

    Winning on popular policies.

    Fancy that!

  126. Makka

    It seems unreasonable to claim that Labor lost the 2013 election rather Abbott won it

    I think that’s correct. On the election prior , Abbott did very well and almost took Govt then so the 2013 effort was no flash in the pan jobbie.

  127. .

    Winning on popular policies.

    Fancy that!

    Such a shame. They went back on all of it and shafted their base and conservative and libertarian allies outside of the tent.

    You might even suspect it was intentional, just part of the entire strategy, along with the new Senate voting laws.

  128. Boambee John

    Some thoughts for us who are not part of the so-called “progressive” (actually fascist or communist) push.

    First, I suspect that a lot of seats that were reliably “conservative” are no longer so. In truth, they might have simply represented an impact of the snobbery of some rich people. In the past, the broad alternatives were the communists (really, so coarse) or Labor, then dominated by people who were actually rough handed rural or industrial workers, not the university graduates who took jobs as union research assistants, then came to dominate union administration, then gained Labor pre-selection.

    Now that the communists call themselves environmentalists, and are dominated by university graduates, and Labor has become the party of the university credentialled middle class (public servants, academics, professionals) they are comfortable voting for those parties. Kiss those seats goodbye.

    Next, at least for the moment, fiscal conservatism is moribund. It is not dead, but its appeal is restricted unless combined with something else. The lure of free stuff is too strong unless fiscal conservatism is reinforced with something more primal.

    That something, I think, is cultural conservatism. There is a raft of outer suburban seats where politically correct claptrap like multiculturalism, gender fluidity and identity politics have no (or, really, negative) appeal. The remnants of the industrial and rural working classes, together with tradies, sports fans and grandparents concerned about the future are looking for leadership.

    I think that John Howard provided that leadership. He did well in the outer suburbs on cultural matters like border security, but in retrospect less well on financial (GST) and industrial (Work Choices) matters. When he moved away from cultural conservatism into pale greenery, the budget surpluses ceased to provide a reason to vote Coalition.

    Looking at Tony Abbott, he also did well in those outer suburbs and the rural regions because he was seen as “one of the ordinary people”, complete with bushfire brigade and surf lifesaving links that the suburbans appreciated. While he promised fiscal conservatism, he fell from favour when he reneged on cultural conservatism. (Team Australia anyone?)

    To use recent terminology, the wealthy suburbs, nu-Labor and the Greens represent the Anywheres, citizens of the world, who want to solve the world’s problems with OPM. The outer suburbs and regional centres represent the Somewheres, who want to fix up their neighbourhood rather than the problems of the world. There are more Somewheres that there are Anywheres, target them.

  129. thefrolickingmole

    There is no respite from the engineering.
    All will be assimilated.
    https://www.theguardian.com/books/2018/nov/27/why-are-australian-childrens-books-suddenly-so-political

    Why are Australian children’s books suddenly so political?
    From My Muslim Mate to Love Makes a Family, what’s behind the recent rise in socially conscious children’s literature?

    At a wild guess, invites to luuurvie cocktail parties and having every book of this sort placed in public/school libraries on an almost compulsory basis?

    A short guide to recent political kids’ books in Australia
    Wide Big World by Maxine Beneba Clarke, illustrated by Isobel Knowles
    “You’re brown, Belle!” says one child to another, starting an exuberant book about the joys of diversity. With its crisp use of words and rhythm, this book is fun to read aloud.

    My Muslim Mate by Amal Abou-Eid
    When they’re not busy riding their scooters, Charlie and Khaled chat about their similarities and differences. Simply illustrated, the book is a great starting point for kids to learn more about Islam.

    Love Makes A Family by Sophie Beer
    “Love is baking a cake. Love is knowing where everything is.” This bright, bold book for toddlers depicts a diverse range of families in moments of candid domesticity.

    All the Ways to be Smart by Davina Bell, illustrated by Allison Colpoys
    A celebration of creativity and emotional intelligence featuring a diverse cast of kids. A reassuring read for primary-aged children who feel like a round peg in a square, academic hole.

    I’m Australian Too by Mem Fox, illustrated by Ronojoy Ghosh
    Kids from migrant backgrounds explain their family’s journey to Australia in rhyming verse. The book ends on a poignant note, with a refugee child who has “not yet” been allowed to become Australian.

    Want to Play Trucks? by Ann Stott, illustrated by Bob Graham
    One boy wants to play with trucks, the other boy with dolls. A compromise is found – dolls who drive trucks. A gentle rebuke of gender stereotypes.

    Sorry Day by Coral Vass, illustrated by Dub Leffler
    A devastating aspect of Australian history is seen through the eyes of a child, who holds her mum’s hand as they await the prime minister’s apology to the Stolen Generations. The topic is handled sensitively for an upper-primary audience.

    If I was Prime Minister by Beck and Robin Feiner
    A diverse bunch of kids imagine how much better Australia would be if they were prime minister.

  130. Why these right wing-ish types are still in the Liberal party is beyond me.
    I therefore give but a fart bubble as to what happens to them.

    As I keep saying, if they were serious about policy, and not their own position, they would have joined the Australian Conservatives the moment Cory started it.

    LOL.
    About 2 years ago I bumped into Jim Molan at a function not long after Cory Bernardi set up the ACP. Jim Molan hadn’t been elected Senator in the 2016 election as he was so far down the list, 7th I think, which a lot of Libs had complained about.

    I suggested he should join Cory and he went down the “No, we have to fight for the Liberal Party blah, blah, blah” path.

    If I see him again I will remind him of that conversation and ask him “So how’d that work out for you Jim?”

    And I hope if he approaches AC they tell him to sod off as they already have Senate candidates in NSW who joined and put their hands up.

  131. Notafan

    I agree Boambee

    Conservatitism is on the same fringe these days as Christianity

    Anyone who is a practicing Christian is automatically assigned to the far right

    I say you can’t have one without the other

    We are getting enlightenment good and hard

  132. DrBeauGan

    If I was Prime Minister by Beck and Robin Feiner
    A diverse bunch of kids imagine how much better Australia would be if they were prime minister.

    The idea that children could run the country is very appealing to modern pollies. It means that being ignorant of almost everything is no bar to being in charge, so they too are qualified.

  133. .

    I suggested he should join Cory and he went down the “No, we have to fight for the Liberal Party blah, blah, blah” path.

    If I see him again I will remind him of that conversation and ask him “So how’d that work out for you Jim?”

    Much like Johnny Got His Gun.

  134. Lysander

    FM, “interesting reading.” I thought the whole SSM argument was “who cares what people do in their bedroom; doesn’t impact you?” That was even the Libertarian line.

  135. Howard Hill

    Japan has to take serious steps to address its disastrously low fertility rate of 1.4 (children per woman). Otherwise the Japanese race faces extinction.

    They could start by discouraging people marrying bottles.
    Japanese Man Marries Teenage Girl Hologram

  136. H B Bear

    It seems unreasonable to claim that Labor lost the 2013 election rather Abbott won it

    I think that’s correct. On the election prior , Abbott did very well and almost took Govt then so the 2013 effort was no flash in the pan jobbie.

    Sorry fellas, 2013 had seen nearly 3 years of KRudd dysfunction until the bruvvas said enough and installed Gillard (a move that made a lot more sense than spearing Abbott). 2016 was the “There will be no carbon tax under the government I lead” election. Even your average Australian voter wasn’t going to be treated as that big a mug by Canberra.

  137. Zyconoclast

    Thanks to whoever reminded me of Geoffrey Blainey’s “Black Kettle and Full Moon” – my replacement copy has just arrived. I’d forgotten what an epic social history the book was.

    That would be me.
    The sub heading, “Daily Life in a Vanished Australia’

    Could apply to 1990.
    That book ends in 1914.

  138. .

    …but why did he marry a hologram?

    Why are there so many herbivore men, dry fish women?

  139. Notafan

    That means that Abbott had to promise to remove the carbon tax though

    Which he did, clearly against the preference of the many white ants in the liberal party

    Rudd and Gillard opened the borders

    Abbots promised to close them

    Axe the Tax

    Stop the Boats

  140. Notafan

    most ordinary people didn’t care about Rudd dysfunction

    They cared about a carbon tax and they cared about the ever increasing numbers of illegals arriving on our shores

    Mostly male and mostly muslim

  141. Lysander, I think EU referendum blog and Guido Fawkes are pretty good, and I’m open to other suggestions.

  142. Top Ender

    Children’s books that might be nice:

    Bill and Ben Drive Trucks. Two normal boys leave school at 16 to pursue careers driving trucks. They succeed.

    Jane gets Married and has Kids. Jane finds a nice bloke and has two kids. Later, she opens her own small business selling hamburgers, doesn’t get stymied by red tape, and does really well.

    James Paints a Fence. James gets told by Dad one Saturday he has to paint the Fence. Dad says he’ll get $2 if he does well. James does and gets a 50c tip. James is happy.

    Brad and Wayne have a punchup. Brad and Wayne, both 13, get into a bit of a blue and go the biff. A bit of blood is shed. Both fathers say well boys will be boys. Neither Brad nor Wayne need counselling.

    Matthew Joins the Army. Matt wants to be a soldier. He makes the grade and is taken into the Infantry. Matt and his mates would like to see how well they perform in battle, although they’re scared shitless. The Army thinks they are fine fellows.

  143. memoryvault

    Monty seems to think hes somehow being oppositional by posting LOLberals.
    On a thread where people are bagging the wets in charge.

    Nonetheless, most Catallaxians will still vote for them come election time.

  144. Howard Hill

    Why are there so many herbivore men, dry fish women?

    It would seem young men have lost the skill of performing cunalingus?
    dry fish woman?

  145. .

    James Paints a Fence. James gets told by Dad one Saturday he has to paint the Fence. Dad says he’ll get $2 if he does well. James does and gets a 50c tip. James is happy.

    Bloody hell Dad. Try $20 and $5! Inflation hurts the youth the most.

  146. Laundy, O’Dwyer, Turnbull, Banks et al salting the earth on the way out.

    It will be worth having Shorten just to be rid of this filth.

    Great, we’re back to the “let’s punish ’em” talk.
    Yes, they will lose their seats… and end up with double their MP’s salary for half the hours from all the sinecures and Board positions they pick up. You know, from the Unions and corporations that benefitted from them handing them taxpayers money. How terrible for those poor pollies who just lost their seats!

    Can anyone point to the last ex-pollie they saw stacking shelves at Woolies?
    Aaaanyone? Aaaaaaaaaaanyone?
    Nope?

    Because ex-pollies and PS don’t end up stacking shelves at Woolies after they’ve stuffed the country. They don’t even go to jail. It is us who will end up doing that. Until we lose that job too, then wander home through crime-ridden streets to find out homes broken into and wife and kids raped by Mussies. Then we’ll be arrested for racism and homophobia when we complain. Welcome to your future Australia.

    But if it makes you feel better to think we can hurt them by their losing their seats then knock yourself out. Or just wait for a Somali gang to do it for you.

  147. H B Bear

    most ordinary people didn’t care about Rudd dysfunction

    Sorry I don’t accept that. Before it became commonplace. most voters would never have seen a first term PM struck down by their own party. The accepted wisdom was that most first term governments were returned.

    Boats and the carbon tax became major issues after 2013 under Gillard.

  148. struth

    Nonetheless, most Catallaxians will still vote for them come election time.

    He he.

  149. jupes

    About 2 years ago I bumped into Jim Molan at a function not long after Cory Bernardi set up the ACP.

    As a general, Molan only stood out from the rest because he was General Patreas’ operations officer for a year in Iraq. His record in the Australian army is as lame as any of his peers. He did precisely nothing to stop the emasculation of the ADF.

    As a senator, Molan was as lame as the majority of his colleagues. He is on the record of supporting Turnbull’s (now Labor’s) National Energy Guarantee.

    Of these, several MPs opposed it outright and reserved their right to cross the floor. These included Mr Abbott, Andrew Hastie, Tony Pasin and George Christensen.

    Others who expressed concerns and who could cross the floor included Eric Abetz, Andrew Gee, Craig Kelly and Kevin Andrews.

    Others who spoke in support included Stuart Robert, James Paterson, Jim Molan, Tim Wilson, Ian McDonald, Warren Entsch, Rowan Ramsey, Chris Crewther and Ted O’Brien.

    Good riddance to the spineless dickhead.

  150. struth

    James paints the fence without being paid.
    Doesn’t get a kick in the pants.
    Gets to remain at home.
    Considered board.

  151. Dr Faustus

    Former Holden factory in Adelaide recharged with Sonnen home battery systems

    Sonnen chief executive Christoph Ostermann said he was especially happy to be at the Holden plant because it was a symbol for industrial tradition in Australia.

    This comes after the State Government announced its $100-million investment in home battery storage in an effort to deliver cheaper, more reliable energy.

    Under the scheme, 40,000 South Australian households will have access to grants of up to $6,000 and low-interest loans. Nearly 4,000 residents have already asked for quotes.

    Mr Ostermann said his company would like to deploy more than 50,000 systems over next five years.

    Sonnen particularly likes the Australian tradition of State subsidies for manufacturers…

  152. Snoopy

    Just as well you enjoy being miserable MV.

  153. calli

    something more primal.

    Deep recession, rolling blackouts, strikes, civil unrest, hunger, foreclosures, escalating crime, corruption and misery.

    And no bread, water or loo paper.

    That’s primal.

  154. Snoopy

    Good riddance to the spineless dickhead.

    Hear, hear.

  155. calli

    Who is this “most” of which you speak Kemosabe?

  156. dopey

    James paints the fence white. Goes to prison for racism.

  157. Snoopy

    Bloody hell Dad. Try $20 and $5! Inflation hurts the youth the most.

    You think? Fuck it, the fence can remain unpainted. Happy now?

  158. Baldrick

    Nonetheless, most Catallaxians will still vote for them come election time.

    Most? Do tell …

  159. There are 3 million Conservative votes just lying in the street waiting to be picked up right now.
    Another 3 million if the leader and team are decent.
    And another 3 million if they grow massive balls, think outside the box and fight like banshees.

  160. B*lls, I used b*lls;

    There are 3 million Conservative votes just lying in the street waiting to be picked up right now.
    Another 3 million if the leader and team are half decent.
    And another 3 million if they grow massive b*lls, think outside the box and fight like banshees.

  161. H B Bear

    Sonnen particularly likes the Australian tradition of State subsidies for manufacturers…

    It’s the Australian way. Particularly in the failed State of Mainland Tasmania which grew up behind the tariff wall with the costs passed to all Australians. Beautiful symbolism.

  162. memoryvault

    Just as well you enjoy being miserable MV

    What on earth makes you think I’m miserable, Snoopy? I’m having a ball. And the next five years are going to be even more entertaining. It’s not as if I, or anybody else, can do anything about it now.

    As Confucius say, “When rape inevitable, lie back and enjoy it”.

  163. Notafan

    Before it became commonplace. most voters would never have seen a first term PM struck down by their own party

    That ignores the fact that Rudd got rolled in June 2010 and Gillard managed to hang on at the August 2010 election-if Rudd dysfiction mattered it only mattered prior to that election.

    How you can claim that affected the 2013 election is a bit confusing. especially when they bought back Rudd to ‘save the furnitur’e

    Labor was on the nose because the carbon tax was hitting the hip pocket nerve and Labor had ended a policy that stopped the boats under Howard and twiddled their thumbs while Australians watched more and more boats launching from Indonesia and thousands and thousand of fakegees started moving in to their communities, taking over public housing etc

    Dead children off Christmas Island didn’t help either.

  164. bespoke

    As Confucius say, “When rape inevitable, lie back and enjoy it”.

    The women close to me would fight and the do it well.

  165. memoryvault

    Most? Do tell …

    Well I can’t s many of them voting Labor, and realistically they are your only two choices.
    The voting system is specifically designed to ensure it.

  166. .

    Sounds craptastic.

    We’ve teamed up with The Monthly and The Saturday Paper in an unprecedented partnership because we believe supporting independent Australian media is worth setting aside any rivalries for.

    Subscribe to Crikey before December 9th and for $189, you’ll get 12 months of Crikey, as well as three months digital access to The Monthly AND The Saturday Paper.

  167. Howard Hill

    Trump Reacts to FBI Reopening Clinton Email Investigation

    Trump Responds to FBI Announcement of Reopening Congressional Investigation Into Hillary Clinton Emails | “Hillary Clinton’s corruption is on a scale we have never seen before. We must not let her take her criminal scheme into the Oval Office,” Trump said.

  168. Tom

    Great news! Their ABC — where you can get your leftard propaganda for free — is in the final stages of swallowing three leftard propaganda channels that don’t have taxpayer funding. Via email:

    Save independent media — support real journalism

    It’s no secret that the landscape is difficult for independent media. Well, there’s one way to SAVE it. And that’s to support it.

    We’ve teamed up with The Monthly and The Saturday Paper in an unprecedented partnership because we believe supporting independent Australian media is worth setting aside any rivalries for.

    Subscribe to Crikey before December 9th and for $189, you’ll get 12 months of Crikey, as well as three months digital access to The Monthly AND The Saturday Paper.

    Bwahahaha! Not even gullible leftards are buying the bullshit pitch.

  169. Baldrick

    Subscribe to Crikey before December 9th and for $189, you’ll get 12 months of Crikey, as well as three months digital access to The Monthly AND The Saturday Paper.

    Or, watch the ABC and get the same opinions for nothing*.

  170. Howard Hill

    Forget it folks didn’t see the date. Was from back in October. Apologies.

  171. .

    $2.50 to paint a fence eh?

    Pretty sure you can’t even buy a can of coke or a Mars bar for that much these days.

    How many of you have an old Arnotts tin full of “real” (paper) notes hidden under the bed?

    In the fifty years since we’ve gone to decimal currency, an average inflation rate over 5% means the value of the dollar has lost over 92% of its value.

    $2.50 now is about 20 cents in 1966.

  172. calli

    Snappy Tom.

    Yes. The Cats of Australia have made their choice.

    😄

  173. .

    That’s so corny Fabio needs to come back.

    GG.

  174. We’ve teamed up with The Monthly and The Saturday Paper in an unprecedented partnership because we believe supporting independent Australian media is worth setting aside any rivalries for.

    Bwahahahahahahaha!
    “Rivalries” in lefty land;
    Organic kale vs smashed avo.
    Windmills and solar vs windmills and more windmills.
    90% income tax vs 100%.
    Hate speech laws vs Book burning.
    Mass murdering 6 million vs 18 million.

  175. thefrolickingmole

    Subscribe to Crikey before December 9th and for $189, you’ll get 12 months of Crikey, as well as three months digital access to The Monthly AND The Saturday Paper.

    In support I will buy 3 times as many as I did before.

    anyone good at maths do the following for me.
    3 x nothing =….

  176. Boambee John

    Top Ender at 1332

    TEENAGE delinquents would get a free pass to break the law under a radical plan being considered by the ­nation’s top law makers.

    Federal Attorney-General Christian Porter and his state colleagues signed off on a 12-month investigation with a view to raise the age of criminal responsibility from 10 years to as high as 16.

    I suspect that this is a ploy to strengthen the case for lowering the voting age to 16.

  177. .

    Organic kale vs smashed avo.

    Avocado is at least edible. Kale should be considered a noxious weed. Unpalatable, maybe it has some adjuvant antimitotic, antineoplastic properties. Not fit for human consumption.

  178. bespoke

    .
    #2873455, posted on November 27, 2018 at 4:15 pm
    That’s so corny Fabio needs to come back.
    GG.

  179. thefrolickingmole

    From the RBAs calculator
    https://www.rba.gov.au/calculator/annualDecimal.html

    A basket of goods and services valued at $ 1000 in calendar year 1970 , would in calendar year 2017 cost $11,373.40

    or
    A basket of goods and services valued at $ 2 in calendar year 1970 , would in calendar year 2017 cost $22.75

    Isnt inflation wonderful, the greatest stealth tax of all time.

  180. Emmanuel Macron has said the UK will be trapped in a customs union after Brexit unless Downing Street offers European fishermen full access to British waters during the coming trade negotiations.

    This is how weak that Quisling May has made the UK. The French haven’t said boo to the Poms since 1815 and now that fucking gerontophiliac noncy Frog is issuing Diktats.
    Somebody wake up Nelson and Wellington.

  181. John Constantine

    Shorten will lower the voting age to include all kids that passed the safe voting class in primary school.

    People underestimate the endless bastardry shorten is capable of when it comes to vote rigging.

    Comrades.

  182. JC

    It’s fine, it’s okay as far as reports go. I don’t believe it.

    WASHINGTON—President Trump said Monday that he doesn’t believe the central finding of a report released last week by his administration that global climate change could cause U.S. economic losses of hundreds of billions of dollars a year by the end of the century.

    Speaking to reporters before leaving Washington for Mississippi, Mr. Trump said of the report, “I’ve seen it. I’ve read some of it. And it’s fine.” Asked if he agreed with the report’s assessment of a large economic impact, he responded: “I don’t believe it.”

    He’s so lovable.

  183. Lysander

    WA Premier McGowan has just lifted the ban on fracking in WA.

  184. .

    “Believe me, it’s a hoax, I have the very best scientists working on it, the best, just the most credentialed mathematicians, physicists, chemists and statisticians, all great people, from the best colleges in the USA and the world, just the best, believe me, and they told me I was right to say this was phoney, I was right all along…”

  185. .

    WA Premier McGowan has just lifted the ban on fracking in WA.

    Mugged by reality on low energy GST receipts.

  186. Muddy

    Re indigenous ‘water management’ knowledge: The whole intent for some time has been to corral the indigenous together and install them behind sound-proof one-way glass in a museum.

    Those responsible claim it is for their protection, to prevent further ‘genocide.’ They must herded into and maintained in this modern reservation to keep them safe from pale-coloured predators.

    ‘Protection’ is an expensive business, however, and because they are vital to our national identity, they must have the best of protection in every sense. Thankfully, there are kind-hearted souls willing to devote their life to this end, and the resources demanded, I mean, available, allow the Protectors to do what is morally and historically necessary. Of course, the running costs will be high, and the Protectors should be remunerated for their selfless endeavours.

    However, none of that can happen if the museum exhibits themselves either cannot be controlled, or are not what the paying public expect to see in a museum. That would be very bad for business. Having a successful, happy, healthy indigenous person in public view would really really f$ck up the marketing.

  187. Makka

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  188. memoryvault

    People underestimate the endless bastardry shorten is capable of when it comes to vote rigging.

    Yes, it’s a shame everybody wIll forget the wonderful, stable, conservative government we have had for the past six years.

  189. Tom

    WA Premier McGowan has just lifted the ban on fracking in WA.

    The corpse of competitive federalism just sat up in the grave.

  190. thefrolickingmole

    A bit of double dipping by Xenophon??

    Has he been squiring sea-patrol.
    If so when is the anti-christ due to be born?

    Expect this to be misreported and chopped into “Sarah the Victim” sized pieces by their ABC.

    Recapping those crazy few Senate minutes, it went something like this:

    O’SULLIVAN: She didn’t turn up. She didn’t front. She didn’t turn up. It was her inquiry co-sponsored with the Australian Labor Party and she didn’t turn up. There’s a bit of Nick Xenophon in her – and I don’t mean that to be a double reference – but there’s a bit of Xenophon in her, references committees and not attending.

    PRESIDENT: Order! Senator O’Sullivan, I’m going to ask you to withdraw the comment.

    O’SULLIVAN: I’ll withdraw the comment. There was no intention to offend anyone.

    DI NATALE: (can be heard yelling in the background – words include “he’s a disgrace” and “he’s a grub”)

    PRESIDENT: Senator Di Natale, I asked the Senator to withdraw. I’m going to ask him to withdraw unconditionally just to make it clear.

    O’SULLIVAN: I’m more than happy to withdraw unconditionally because there was no intent.

    PRESIDENT: Thank you. Senator Leyonhjelm.

    DI NATALE: You grub!

    LEYONHJELM: Senator Di Natale and Senator Steele-John have both insulted and used unparliamentary language in relation to Senator O’Sullivan as well. They called him a pig, and other words which I am not going to repeat. I ask you to invite them to withdraw as well.

    PRESIDENT: I heard Senator Di Natale. Senator Steele-John if you made an unparliamentary comment I ask you to withdraw it.

    STEELE-JOHN: I withdraw

    PRESIDENT: Senator Di Natale I ask you to withdraw your comments.

    DI NATALE: I will not withdraw.

    PRESIDENT: Senator Di Natale I am asking you to withdraw your comments.

    DI NATALE: I will not withdraw.

    PRESIDENT: I called Senator O’Sullivan to order and asked him to withdraw

    (unidentified senator): He is a pig.

    PRESIDENT: Senator O’Sullivan has unconditionally withdrawn, that sort of language is not appropriate in the Senate. I ask you to reflect upon that and I ask you to withdraw. To facilitate the operation of this debate and for the comity of the Senate you have the opportunity to address both this debate, and if you wish to address the behaviour of a Senator there are other opportunities to do that. I ask you to withdraw

    DI NATALE: Mr President, we have endured on this side days of sexist filth coming from that man. He is a pig and he should consider and he should reflect on the standards he is adopting in this chamber.

    PRESIDENT: Resume your seat. We are leaving me with no option Senate Di Natale.

    (long pause for advice from Clerk).

    PRESIDENT: Senator Di Natale I will give you on least opportunity to reflect upon that and to withdraw your comments. If not I will ask you to stand in your place and either explain your comments or apologise to the Senate and leave it to another senate to take the matter into the hands of the Senate. There are other opportunities to address the behaviour of senators Senator Di Natale.

    (another long pause)

    PRESIDENT: Well, if the Senate wishes to allow that behaviour to go unremarked, we will move on.

    RUSTON: I move that Senator Di Natale be suspended from the senate.

    De Shitale booted by an overwhelming vote shortly after…

  191. Boambee John

    mv

    You have given us the benefit of your forecasts for a while, but apart from telling us that we don’t matter, or perhaps should vote informal (I’m not sure that will improve the situation, but maybe you have a cunning plan), you have not offered anything in the way of a practical solution.

    If you have no practical solution, perhaps try to avoid increasing the general gloom with your unending negativity?

  192. .

    I thought MIN DEF Payne was the secret Blubber Boy (credit to Regurgitator).

    Turns out it is X-alphabet? Wow! They really are sickos in SA!

  193. H B Bear

    That ignores the fact that Rudd got rolled in June 2010 and Gillard managed to hang on at the August 2010 election-if Rudd dysfiction mattered it only mattered prior to that election.

    Gillard lost something like 13 seats and was installed by two so-called rural independents (both of whom declined to run at the next election) and her infamous deal with the Greens. Both Gillard and Waffleworth proved to be utter duds. If either of them had proven successful people would have overlooked how they came to office. Neither even came close. By the time the bruvvas speared Gillard the Liars primary vote was heading into the 20s.

  194. Snoopy

    .
    #2873484, posted on November 27, 2018 at 4:47 pm
    I thought MIN DEF Payne was the secret Blubber Boy (credit to Regurgitator).

    Turns out it is X-alphabet? Wow!

    Don’t be so unimaginative.

  195. Bill Thompson

    The rest of my conversation with Glen Isherwood, outside the Banking Royal Commission.

    https://youtu.be/CjkZNply8o0

  196. Makka

    Bear, you are really underselling Abbott during the period and elections in question. Looking back, while he was the Opposition Leader he managed to not only destroy his Labor opponents but also keep his team on a short leash. The Libs were competitive and disciplined, their policies were right and their popularity grew as a result. It all went to shit when Abbott became PM.

    Labor was on the nose largely because Abbott exposed them, their weaknesses and incompetence. He attacked their policies and their performance relentlessly.He also got into their heads and drove them nuts. Abbott in Opposition was very impressive.

  197. Top Ender

    Belle Gibson faces jail for failing to pay $410k fine

    TESSA AKERMAN

    Cancer con artist Belle Gibson has been warned by a Federal Court judge she faces jail if she fails to pay a $410,000 fine for duping Australians.

    The fake wellness guru was fined in September last year for five breaches of Australian Consumer Law, after falsely claiming she had brain cancer and healed herself with natural remedies.

    Gibson claimed proceeds from the sales from her The Whole Pantry app and book were going to charity including one week’s sales of the app would be donated to the Schwarz family to help their son Joshua, who had an inoperable brain tumour.

    The app was downloaded more than 540,000 times before it was taken down.

    Justice Debra Mortimer fined Gibson $410,000 for her contraventions of Consumer Law and ordered her to pay $30,000 in costs.

    Gibson has so far not made any payments and the Director of Consumer Affairs made an application to the court asking for a variance in the penalty orders to include a warning that failure to pay could result in imprisonment, property seizures or other punishment.

    Justice Mortimer today said Gibson had failed to comply with the order and by resisting the application to vary the order she sought to preserve the status quo “which is that she may be less readily exposed to the risk of contempt proceedings”.

    “It is desirable that, going forward, there should be as little doubt as possible that proceedings for contempt could be brought, prosecuted and (if the evidence justifies it and the Court so finds) proven,” Justice Mortimer said in her judgment.

    “There is no justifiable reason why Ms Gibson should continue to enjoy a potential forensic advantage caused by what appears to have been a genuine mistake on the part of the Director’s lawyers, compounded by some undesirable prevarication about how that mistake should be addressed.”

    Justice Mortimer also said her previous court orders provided for the fine to be paid in instalments but Gibson had made no application for payment by instalments or to vary the period of payment.

    Additional reporting AAP

  198. Notafan

    Nevertheless Abbott was considered to be box office poison by the pundits.

    I supposed you are saying that if the Liberals had gone into the election with a pro carbon tax policy and hand wringing on boats the libs would still have won in a landslide

  199. memoryvault

    If you have no practical solution, perhaps try to avoid increasing the general gloom with your unending negativity?

    Dot and I spent the entire evening Friday three weeks ago, debating the only course of action available now. It was rejected out of hand by virtually 100% of Catallaxians because it didn’t involve voting “Liberal because they’re not Labor.”

    I don’t create the negativity here. You people are more than capable of doing that all by yourselves.
    Now that it’s too late to actually do anything, I’m sitting back and enjoying the ride.

  200. JC

    Interesting chart.

    Australia’s had the highest immigration compared to the US, Canada, Britain, Germany, Japan and France.

    Australia has also had the highest growth rate in wages. The lowest has been Japan, which interestingly has had the lowest level of immigration of the group. Base year is 1991.

    We also have the lowest public debt levels too, by that measurement.

  201. JC

    Notafan
    #2873493, posted on November 27, 2018 at 4:58 pm

    Nevertheless Abbott was considered to be box office poison by the pundits.

    I supposed you are saying that if the Liberals had gone into the election with a pro carbon tax policy and hand wringing on boats the libs would still have won in a landslide

    Fan, Abbott was pretty decent as an opposition leader up to the point he became a de-balled soyboy and signed up to every single Liars party spending pledge.. because he was a gutless douche. We’re still paying for that de-balling and possibly will continue to forever. Worse than Turnbull. Much worse.

  202. Neil

    Bear, you are really underselling Abbott during the period and elections in question.

    I agree with that. It also shows a lack of understanding of the ALP. Keating won an election when unemployment was at 11%. The Coalition could not do that. And when unemployment was at 4% in 2007 Labor won. ALP has an ability to fight and win elections that the Coalition does not have except when Abbot was leading them.

  203. egg_

    Firestick farming was responsible for desertification of much of Australia, including the destruction of cycad forests. It was not sustainable!

    Took out the megafauna’s food supply, too – doh!

  204. OldOzzie

    Monopoly for Millennials: the board game for hipster socialists

    By Wsj Editorial Board
    The Wall Street Journal

    Americans love to hate Millennials, so maybe it was inevitable that someone would invent a board game to, er, celebrate their enthusiasms. The toy company Hasbro has released a new take on its classic board game, and Monopoly for Millennials is fun for the whole socialist family this holiday season.

    “Forget real estate. You can’t afford it anyway,” the game’s box proclaims. Players instead acquire experiences. In true hipster fashion, being the first to discover a new vegan bistro or meditation retreat wins points. Game pieces include emojis, and Rich Uncle Pennybags takes selfies and gets a makeover with sunglasses.

    Millennial moaning about the game has helped it go viral. “The rules are simple, you start with no money, you can’t afford anything, the board is on fire for some reason and everything is your fault,” quipped Aaron Gillies, author of How to Survive the End of the World (When It’s In Your Own Head): An Anxiety Survival Guide.

    Emily Roehler, a millennial meteorologist at Fox’s Colorado Springs affiliate, tweeted that she hopes Hasbro would “be donating the proceeds to student debt relief. (which is why Millennials can’t afford real estate).”

    And in the inevitable piece from the left-wing scolds at Vox, Rachel Sugar called the game “a tired joke, a joke we have been telling, without addressing the grim reality behind the joke, for well over a decade now.” Talk about proving the point of the jokes about Millennials.

    Hasbro’s take is #onpoint. Millennials aged 25 to 34 have an average $42,000 in debt, Northwestern Mutual found this year. More than Baby Boomers or Gen Xers, Millennials spend their money on events, activities and travel instead of goods or houses, McKinsey reported last year. If they’d kept pace with these two earlier generations, 3.7 million more Millennials would own homes, the Urban Institute found last summer.

    Some 51 per cent of American adults under 30 harbour positive views about socialism, Gallup found in August. So Hasbro deserves credit for offering a lesson in Capitalism 101.

    When Monopoly for Millennials hit the shelves this month, it sold for less than $20. But as the game gained attention, it briefly sold out, and now it won’t leave the Walmart shelf for less than $75. So as Millennials pass go, they may notice there is money to be made when supply meets demand.

    Perhaps the experience will even pique new interest in economics and entrepreneurship. Someone has to pay for the baby boomer entitlements that progressive millennial pundits are working so hard to expand.

  205. thefrolickingmole

    JC

    If you havent seen it before you will probably like this one as well.
    https://fee.org/articles/most-of-europe-is-a-lot-poorer-than-most-of-the-united-states/

    Most European countries (including Germany, Sweden, Denmark and Belgium) if they joined the US, would rank among the poorest one-third of US states on a per-capita GDP basis, and the UK, France, Japan and New Zealand would all rank among America’s very poorest states, below No. 47 West Virginia, and not too far above No. 50 Mississippi. Countries like Italy, S. Korea, Spain, Portugal and Greece would each rank below Mississippi as the poorest states in the country.

  206. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    ‘Uhtred is brought low by it until he finds his own way to shake off the curse.’
    Interesting description of what he did!
    Also, the Scald was total hotness.

    Hold on. We haven’t seen episode 8 yet, only up to Episode 7. Plus I thought it ended at 8: yippee – so there are episodes 9 and 10 to come.

    Now I am desperate to know what Uhtred did about Scald. By episode 7 all we know is that after many adventures he finds that to get rid of the curse he is supposed to kill her without spilling her blood, probably by strangling, to shake off the curse. I suppose he could also drown her. (these punishments are actual punishments of the period; as was the awful scene of taking out an eye with a red hot poker).

    Don’t tell me it was worse than that?? Actually, no, don’t tell me. I will find out soon enough.

    As for Scald being ‘hot’. Only if you want to get scalded by weaponised sex. 🙂
    Certainly makes for some excellent escapism sitting here in the rubble of our home.

  207. JC

    Dot:

    If you’re around, that chart I posted, which I think comes from the most recent Economist, is pretty amazing and would be worthwhile giving your take. Australia experienced the highest immigration rate over that period of any of the other major economies and also the highest rate of income growth. That compares to Japan, which between 1991 and now had the lowest immigration rate of the group – allowed 3 people in as immigrants*- and the lowest real income growth. Just wow.

    As I continue to say to those anti0 foreigner types here.. you have to argue against high rates of immigration on social grounds. The economics is a loser.

    * kidding.

  208. Notafan

    The frame of the discussion JC is that a drover’s dog could have beaten Labor in 2013

    My view is that Abbott won it because he listened to the people and framed policies that were popular

    Morrison knows people are fed up with immigration into Sydney and Meblourne and totally over islamic terrorism and muslim denial of responsibility

    lets see if he can do something with that.

  209. Boambee John

    Notafan

    Boambee John
    #2873388, posted on November 27, 2018 at 3:06 pm
    Some thoughts for us who are not part of the so-called “progressive” (actually fascist or communist) push.

    Thanks for your comments on my earlier post.

    I am becoming more convinced that the key is to appeal to the cultural conservatism of the Somewheres. As mv has shown ad nauseum, this will not happen simply by voting for either major political grouping (Libs/Bational or Labor/Green). A party is needed, probably comprising a mix of the current smaller groups (PHON, AC, LDP if they can abandon their policies on “Anywhere” policies like euthanasia and immigration) and defecting conservatives from the Liberals, Nationals and the few remaining Somewheres in Labor (there are none in the Greens). It should copy Abbott’s successful campaign from opposition, then actually deliver in government to the Somewheres. Then it could gain power.

    Having done so, then the work of fiscal reconstruction could begin, but it should be limited to repairing the current budget. Leave the debt as a Sword of Damocles hanging over Labor whenever they manage to crawl back into power on the backs of the Anywheres.

  210. JC

    Mole

    Yes, I’ve seen variations of that and thanks. The big lie about the US is comparing that enormously complex country to say a favorite of the leftobabble.. Schweeden.. Schweeden!
    No you fuckheads, compare the EU with the US and then adjust for population difference.

    We all need to be more like Schweeden.

  211. Boambee John

    mv

    Obviously I missed that one, been travelling. A short summary if you could, please?

  212. OldOzzie

    Storming the United States’ southern border

    By Wsj Editorial Board

    Migrants stormed the US border near San Diego on Sunday, and from the media coverage you’d think the culprits were the Border Patrol agents who used tear gas to disperse the mob and defend themselves. But the officers were right to repel the crowds, and the tragedy is that such lawlessness will undermine support for legal asylum in the US.

    Hundreds of migrants overwhelmed Mexican law enforcement and rushed north, and some stormed the car lanes at San Ysidro, the Western Hemisphere’s biggest land-border crossing. Others surged through gaps in the nearby border fence.

    The United States can’t tolerate migrants who rush the border or assault officers with rocks. Members of the same caravan defied officers last month to push through the Honduras-Guatemala border and later the Guatemala-Mexico border. US Customs and Border Protection spent weeks preparing for a similar rush, and to its credit no one sustained serious injury on Sunday.

    US President Donald Trump responded with typical overkill, threatening on Twitter to “close the Border permanently if need be.” That may have been an attempt to get Mexico’s attention, but closing the border would hurt the US too. More than 100,000 people cross north legally each day at San Ysidro, and Customs and Border Protection estimates that 33 such travellers create one American job.

    By Monday morning Mexican authorities had already deported around 100 migrants over Sunday’s fracas and said they’ll do the same to others involved. Mexican immigration officials added that, far from helping Central American migrants, such acts “undermine the legal migration framework and could result in a serious incident at the border line.”

    That’s also a message for US immigration activists who too often sound as if migration anywhere is a natural right. Sunday’s real victims are Central Americans who have respected US law even as they flee genuine persecution, and who are waiting in Tijuana to seek asylum legally at the US port of entry.

    Violence and lawlessness erode public support for a generous asylum policy. Germany is the cautionary tale. Even Hillary Clinton recently acknowledged that Chancellor Angela Merkel erred by admitting a million Middle Eastern migrants in 2015. The result has been a political backlash that has abetted the far right and turned many Europeans against non-passport transfers within Europe.

    Mr Trump is also being vilified for seeking to keep asylum seekers inside Mexico as they wait to have their requests reviewed by US agents. But 69 of the migrants who rushed the border Sunday made it to US soil. They were detained and will be prosecuted, but the Immigration and Nationality Act allows them to apply for asylum now, despite their lawlessness.

    The Trump Administration wants to prevent migrants who enter the US illegally from qualifying for asylum. But activists sued, and federal Judge Jon Tigar issued a temporary restraining order last week. The legal merits are for another editorial. But the practical point is that some of Sunday’s bad behaviour is being rewarded despite US attempts to reduce the incentive for law-breaking. There’s no faster way to lose public support for immigration.

  213. Notafan

    Incidentally I am still waiting for the MSM to write a decent well referenced article showing how mosques (not just Hume islamic Youth Centre) under the control of sheik omran, in both Sydney and Melbourne have been consistently linked to terrorism since at least 2004.

    They could start by finding out if Sheilk Omran was one of the muslim leaders who wrote references for Benbrika to be allowed to remain in Australia when we tried to deport him.

    Would be interesting to know in light of Omran’s distancing himself from Benbrika and the linked Melbourne and Sydney terror plots that included Khalid Sharoueff and mohamed elomar.

  214. JC

    Fan

    There was no reason to ever affirm a pledge to liars’ enormous spending. The fucker would have won anyway. NDIS is a $30 billion cliff and counting. Then there’s Gonsky, NBN and all the other shit. He made this country worse. In fact, the more I think about it, I never want to see his name again. The thought of the useless fuck pisses me off royally.

  215. .

    The data speaks for itself JC, to some extent.

    The wage share of GDP is determined by the capital-labour ratio. Actual wages depend upon productivity.

    The 1990s productivity growth, largely from IT progress, might have subsidised any unsustainable immigration.

    The fact that we had much higher immigration and higher growth; could be from multiple factors – more intense microeconomic reform during that period (earlier on), later on; the mining boom and around 2002, very low exchange rates driving higher FDI into the country.

    I think it is correct to say immigration in the last two years has been of low quality and a net cost (not just welfare).

    There was a clear gain in welfare from immigration. This was also a period of high FDI level and growth into the country. It is a long-term trend for skilled labour. Multinationals still would require to send staff to Australian subsidiaries even whilst school leavers in 1992 had a hard time getting a job.

  216. H B Bear

    Abbott in Opposition was very impressive.

    I’ve never argued otherwise. He was the best Opposition Leader I can remember. The policy failure on boats was possibly the single greatest pure policy failure by KRudd and was direct result of Liar Left faction vanity. People could see it every night on the 6pm news and the mounting numbers and cost of the country shoppers. Gillard’s carbon tax was Green induced necessity to win government in the first place.

    As Gillard and the Liars imploded Abbott could simply watch the self-destruction, exactly as Peanut Head is doing now.

  217. Makka

    Insights into Low Wage Growth in Australia

    https://www.rba.gov.au/publications/bulletin/2017/mar/2.html

    Over recent years, Bank forecasts for wage growth have been persistently too strong (Graph 1). The forecast errors have been largely the result of there being more slack in the labour market than anticipated and the decline in the terms of trade being sharper than expected.[1] However, even after taking these factors into consideration, wage growth has been surprisingly low.

    Since 2012, both the average frequency and the average size of wage changes have declined (Graph 6). Overall, the declining size of wage increases has contributed more than two-thirds of the overall fall in wage growth since 2012, and the reduction in the frequency of wage adjustments has contributed the remainder. This pattern is similar across public and private sector wages.

    The RBA identifies slack in the labour market. as contributing to declining wages growth. Could be those hundreds of thousands of “skilled” and other migrants?

    https://tradingeconomics.com/australia/wage-growth

    Wages falling for a decade. The science is settled.

  218. OldOzzie

    Why We Hate the Media, Chapter 12,186

    As if we need any more reason to distrust media bias, this juxtaposition says it all:

    Eye on the news

    Even California Cannot Defy Nature Forever

    The state’s horrific wildfires are a reminder that abstract progressive ideologies impose life-and-death consequences on millions.

  219. .

    Wages falling for a decade.

    No. You have confused a level variable with its first difference.

    Falling wage growth.

    What is increasing? Government spending as a proportion of GDP.

  220. Neil

    NDIS is a $30 billion cliff and counting. Then there’s Gonsky, NBN and all the other shit. He made this country worse.

    Abbott did not have the numbers in the Senate to do much. Could not even get minor spending cuts through the Senate. Can the govt cancel the NBN without going through the Senate? Abbott did the next best thing and introduced MTM

  221. JC

    Makka

    You haven’t settled anything, you fraud.

    Fact, since 1991 we’ve experienced the highest wage rates of that group during a period of very high immigration rates. In contrast, Japan, which had the lowest immigration rate of the group saw the lowest wage growth.

    As Dot says, the combination of a high capital to labor ratio rate of growth is what causes productivity to rise and therefore wage rates… not central wage fixing, you clown.

    You’re a cowardly numbskull, who refuses to openly fess up to supporting central wage fixing. Fuck off, as you’re a total waste of time. Peddle your kinship Economics to other low wattage doofuses like you.

  222. OldOzzie

    Exposed: A Key Element of the Wind Energy Fraud

    n Wisconsin, a wind turbine farm is being decommissioned and disassembled after only 20 years of operation. It turns out that this is typical. My colleague Isaac Orr explains at Center of the American Experiment’s web site:

    What’s really surprising about these wind turbines being decommissioned after 20 years is the fact that people were surprised by it. You’d be astonished at how many people I talk to have no idea that wind turbines only last for 20 years, maybe 25. In fact, the National Renewable Energy Laboratory says the useful life of a wind turbine is only 20 years.

    – The short usable lifespan of a wind turbine is one of the most important, but least-talked about subjects in energy policy.

    – In contrast to wind, coal, natural gas, and nuclear plants can run for a very long time. Coal and natural gas plants can easily run for 50 years, and nuclear plants can be updated and retrofitted to run for 60 years. This has profound implications for the cost of electricity on a per megawatt hour basis that seemingly no one is talking about.

    – When the federal government puts out their cost projections for energy, the numbers they produce are called the Levelized Cost of Energy, or LCOE. These numbers are supposed to act as a measuring stick that allows policymakers to determine which energy sources will best serve their needs, but these numbers are wrong because they assume all power plants, whether they are wind, coal, natural gas, or nuclear will have a 30-year payback period.

    – This does two things. It artificially reduces the cost of wind power by allowing them to spread their costs over 30 years, when 20 would be much more appropriate, and it artificially inflates the cost of coal, natural gas, and nuclear by not calculating the cost over the entirety of their reasonable lifetimes.

    When it comes to energy, you cannot get reliable information from “mainstream” sources or from the government. “Green” energy investors like Tom Steyer have gamed the system, and whoever pays electric bills–i.e., everyone else–is the sucker in their game.

  223. JC

    Abbott did not have the numbers in the Senate to do much. Could not even get minor spending cuts through the Senate. Can the govt cancel the NBN without going through the Senate? Abbott did the next best thing and introduced MTM

    What are you talking about. The dickhead made those pledges before the election and signed up to every single one while simultaneously peddling a budget emergency. He also promised to scrap 18C and promised a plebiscite of gay marriage. Worse than Turnbull. Much worse. In fact, the libs are fucked because of him.

  224. Bruce of Newcastle

    Hi, JC!

    Sorry I just missed you question last night about fill ’em up batteries.

    The problem is still energy density. The energy density of charged-up vanadium electrolyte is very low. So you would need an electrolyte tank of maybe 1,000 L to equal a 40 L petrol tank. Or even bigger: I’ve not looked up the MJ/L data for vanadium cells. If you used zinc slurry for a zinc-air battery you’d need about 1,200 kg of it to equal a 40 L petrol tank. My car has a 50 L petrol tank so the electrolyte would weigh more and be bigger than my whole car is.

    The sheer weight and volume is unworkable for a car. For load levelling a grid…maybe. But the energy density issue is still extremely bad for electric vehicles, and I doubt it’ll get much better because chemistry.

    A fuel cell car would be much better – it is similar in concept but uses high energy fuel like methanol or hydrogen. But then an ordinary internal combustion engine car running on green methanol or hydrogen would be as good, but probably a lot cheaper.

    I see today that GM has killed the Volt. They’re just the first of a long line of car companies who will do likewise. Mass market electric cars make no sense compared to petrol or diesel. It’s sad so much capital will be wasted.

    GM Pulls the Plug on the Chevrolet Volt, Discontinuing It and These 5 Other Car Models

  225. max

    Julia Banks’ move to the cross bench is a ‘goodbye and fuck you all’ to her Party, knowing she was on a hiding to nothing.

    She will now be free to vote that Dutton be referred to the High Court. She wants to tear them down as she exits the building.

  226. JC

    No. You have confused a level variable with its first difference.

    Falling wage growth.

    What is increasing? Government spending as a proportion of GDP.

    Lol, the doofus can’t even get that right.

  227. Makka

    Falling wage growth.

    Correct. Growth has declined for a decade, to under 2% recently.

    Still, clearly spelled out in the RBA publication.

    What is increasing? Government spending as a proportion of GDP.

    Indeed. And the debt servicing burden on the budget is rising to around 4% of all revenues.

  228. JC

    Thanks Bruce. Appreciate the response. Always first rate.

  229. Makka

    Falling wage growth.

    Yes, growth has declined for a decade, to under 2% recently.

    Still, clearly spelled out in the RBA publication.

    What is increasing? Government spending as a proportion of GDP.

    And the debt servicing burden on the budget is rising to around 4% of all revenues.

  230. JC

    Makka
    #2873534, posted on November 27, 2018 at 5:36 pm

    Lol, the Economist? Fmd.

    So, they’re lying, right? They publish an easy to replicate chart that could be challenged, but they still do. LOL. They’re liars because you disagree with it.

    You’re just a hallucinating doofus with nothing to add. Go peddle kinship economics to other idiots as you’re cooked. Better still, focus on the fucking hole you’re they paying you for.

  231. memoryvault

    A short summary if you could, please?

    It goes like this, John. Neither of the major parties (Libs/Nats and Labor) represent the bulk of Australians anymore. However, the compulsory preferential voting system ensures that around 95% of the seats end up won by them. There is nothing we can do about that. The only thing we can do is forget all about parties altogether, and vote the sitting members last, regardless of party.

    It is unlikely it would have much effect immediately, but it might just instill a bit of fear of the power of the voters in those that replace them.

  232. egg_

    Makka
    #2873490, posted on November 27, 2018 at 4:57 pm

    Nailed it.
    Methinks Credlin’s influence whilst in Govt was the biggest cause of the LNP’s routing in the polls.

  233. Makka

    https://www.businessinsider.com.au/australia-wage-price-index-pay-rises-inflation-2018-8

    More up to date.

    According to Sarah Hunter, head of macroeconomics Australia at BIS Oxford Economics, the latest result shows that wage growth in Australia remains “anaemic”.

    Yayy! Right numpty?

    Tell us again how you magically divine hamburger prices into a winning economic forecast for your “clients”. Lol.

  234. JC

    Makka

    I didn’t look at it until Dot brought it up. But I want people to know that the chart you posted (to somehow counter mine) on “falling wages growth” was nothing of the sort.

    This one

    That shows the rate of growth falling. It doesn’t show an absolute contraction, like you thought it did. That’s imbecilic.

    The science is settled alright. The science is settled that you’re a complete idiot. Stop digging that hole before up end up killing a bunch of innocent Africans, ffs.

  235. egg_

    My view is that Abbott won it because he listened to the people and framed policies that were popular

    +1

    Labor hated his ‘three word slogans’ because they absolutely nailed them, just like an effective soundbite.

  236. JC

    ….wage growth in Australia remains “anaemic”.

    You confused a downward sloping chart as showing an absolute contraction in wages. That chart and the comment above indicate there’s been a slowdown in the growth rate. It does nothing to counter the Economist chart, doofi.

    Now shut up and stop dissembling with attempts to cover up general imbecility.
    Enough.

  237. zyconoclast

    Julia Banks’ move to the cross bench is a ‘goodbye and fuck you all’ to her Party, knowing she was on a hiding to nothing.

    She will now be free to vote that Dutton be referred to the High Court. She wants to tear them down as she exits the building.

    The fact that the Liberals attract so many of this type of spiv is indicative of what a corrupt, venal, maleficent, maggot ridden, rotten corpse it is.

  238. JC

    My view is that Abbott won it because he listened to the people and framed policies that were popular

    Except those policies that would be supported by his own constituents. He Textor’ed us believing we had nowhere else to run. He fucked us over big time.

  239. .

    She will now be free to vote that Dutton be referred to the High Court

    Why not? Most of us want the Liberals destroyed for their own good and he’s a fascist prick like Brandis.*

    You think we dodged a bullet when Hewson didn’t become PM?

    *(The far left are actually correct about this prick, nationally based “unexplained wealth laws”, what a jerk).

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