Wednesday Forum: November 28, 2018

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  1. Makka

    We had nuns, elderly women out of retirement, housewives and even a failed year ten student.

    nota,
    I was referring to the public system predominately.It’s been a while but I do recall s couple of years in a Catholic school in Vic ( old man in the Navy so some moves early on) where the nuns ruled. They were bloody awesome at putting a cricket team together – we smashed all comers.

  2. Death Giraffe

    And did you predict the Trump election in 2016?

    ..
    Yes.
    http://catallaxyfiles.com/2016/08/23/trump-will-win/

  3. Death Giraffe

    Guest Post: Arky – Trump will win
    Posted on 8:00 am, August 23, 2016 by Guest Author
    “And on what do you base that wild claim Arky”? You ask.
    One. The polls are increasingly questionable. Polls before the 2012 election had Romney ahead 50 to 49. The election was 51 to 47 for Obama. A five point turnabout. The recent Brexit result shows how polls can be unreliable. As thisFinancial Times article points out, there are methodological issues. It is not the same as the old days when everyone had a landline. Pollsters may be doing their best to overcome these issues. However, there is another factor at play.
    This is a world where the mainstream media lambasts and flays the very idea of voting Brexit, or Trump, or Abbott, and characterises their supporters as stupid or uneducated. Who wants to admit to that over the phone with a stranger? There is increasing pressure to hide views which aren’t “right on” with the cool kids.
    “What about the betting markets”? You bleat. From the FT link above:
    With so many problems afflicting the polls, some suggest turning to the betting markets instead. The argument is that a prediction made in the hope of earning a reward will be a good indicator of the way things will go.
    There are problems here, too. Most obviously, much of the money that moves the betting markets will have been placed with the polls as a guide.
    So forget the polls. And forget the betting markets.
    Two. Clinton. Ordinary voters won’t come out for her. Watch the Benghazi hearings. (In full if you are a masochist). This is not a sympathetic, or warm and relatable human being. Plus the idea of Bill Clinton skulking around the Whitehouse for eight more years should be doing everyone’s head in.

  4. Makka

    mOron wisdom. You read it here, enshrined forever on the interwebs;

    I commend you for trying to argue hoary old tom Cats out of their antediluvian concepts of gender relations, but they’re a lost cause. Their attitudes will die with them, and good riddance.

  5. Bruce of Newcastle

    Giraffes can see farther than us ground pounders.

  6. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    He and others piling on in this thread are stuck in 1950s mode where women were seen and not heard. He wants to return to a societal construction where men ran everything and were not questioned. The men he is blaming are those who he believes were traitors to his gender.

    Experience has shown repeatedly that the vast majority of women are not capable of managing anything more then a small brood. As a prosperous civilisation pushing women onto the roles that men excel at is clearly not sustainable.

    The view that men and women are equal is of course pure delusional communism.

  7. Boambee John

    Hay Stockard
    #2875057, posted on November 29, 2018 at 1:53 pm
    Notafan,
    I have kept my faith, which was my father’s and his before him

    Old hymn started “Faith of our fathers living still …”

    But for how much longer?

  8. thefrollickingmole

    Monty releases the squirrel, as usual.

    Your side denies sex differences, unless it to #pound me to.
    Your side announces countries borders are artificial constructs and anyone should be free to migrate and immediately avail themselves of all the pubic services.
    Your side has for 40+ years being trying to track down the “final boss’ of patriarchy even going so far as to wreck all mens clubs/scouts etc but somehow missing womens own choices.
    Your side believes climate change is a global emergency which can only be met by drastic measures, yet leave the most populated countries out of any meaningful restrictions.
    Your side believes priests who violate the teachings of the church by predating on kids are somehow representative of the whole religion while giving a pass to muslim fanatics who explicitly follow the violent instructions to jihad.

    Your shits all fucked up and makes no sense.

  9. Des Deskperson

    In this morning’s Oz, Greg Sheridan, who has yet to meet or even see a senior defence or intelligence official without wanting to put his tongue down the back of their trousers, is fawning over Senator Molan.

    Molan may well be the combination hero/strategic genius/man of the people delineated by Sheridan – though when I worked with Molan back in Russell in the late eighties, he struck me as no more than an averagely competent LTCOL, but then,what would I know ? – but the article ends on a very strange note indeed. He mentions, as examples of military men going into politics, Grant and Eisenhower, ‘both great men and deeply devoted, as presidents, the cause of peace’.

    Eisenhower, maybe, but Grant?? Not quite up there with Carr’s Dred Scott gaff, but certainly bizarre

  10. Mater

    mOron wisdom. You read it here, enshrined forever on the interwebs;

    And another from Arky’s post:

    m0nty
    #2126526, posted on August 23, 2016 at 9:31 am

    An OP spruiking a Trump victory has to address the demographic problems he faces, as well as the structural deficit in the electoral college, otherwise it’s trash. You can’t build a winning electorate out of old white American men, and it’s bloody hard to win the presidency without winning Florida, Ohio and Iowa.

    On current state leanings according to 538, Clinton’s heading to win about 2:1 in the electoral college. Arizona and Georgia are the closest swing states. Trump is running dead.

  11. Boambee John

    m0nty at 1358

    Real men don’t have to brag about how hard they are.

    The lackey of the fascist left tries to convince us he is a “real man”.

    LOL!

  12. wivenhoe

    Where did the Bible come from?

    From what I was taught, from the memories of mere mortals, in some cases many, many years after the actual events, hence the family saying, believe only half of what you read, and then you will still be wrong.

  13. Viva

    Labor has suspended standing orders to test the government’s numbers in parliament.

  14. Boambee John

    Giraffe at 1426

    Meanwhile, the universities, parties, media, courts and boards remain stacked with openly Marxist stooges.
    Which position do you prefer? To have some small bundle of policies from your side in place and have completely lost the institutions, or have none of your policies in place but own the institutions?
    Which leads to victory?

    Separation from the contamination and a quarantine of it, or a massively bloody civil war.

    Choose wisely.

  15. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    Sorry to disagree, but that is not confused, that is brainwashed. I can and do pray to god and try to live a life he would want, I do not need to be preached to by people who have become activists for whatever the latest SJW cause may be to do that.

    The catholic church here has embraced marxism, seems to have made a pact with the devil in return for funding.

    http://www.socialjustice.catholic.org.au/publications/social-justice-statement-2017-18

  16. It’s time to get rid of anachronisms of separate sporting competitions for males and females.
    We’re all equal!

    Start with –

    Boxing
    Rugby
    AFL
    NFL
    Lacrosse
    Ice Hockey
    Weightlifting
    Synchronized swimming.

  17. Rae

    A second “War between the states” would also do it.

    There will never be another “War between the states” of the USA.

  18. Makka

    Real men don’t have to brag about how hard they are.

    So says the little fat beta boy mOron, the champion of feminists and lesbians, the hard boy of fantasy footy, the leftist retarded girly man. Lol.

    Fess up mOron. I bet you run a beta boy wellness circle every week for your fellow white stay at home cucks where you sit around self flagellating yourselves confessing your whitey male guilt and privilege. You then dutifully read the minutes of meeting to the missus. That’s being a real man, right?

  19. There will never be another …

    Oh sh1t. It’s on.

  20. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    Dear Friends,
    Re: Social Justice Statement 2017–2018
    Everyone’s Business: Developing an inclusive and sustainable economy

    Social Justice Sunday will be celebrated this year on 24 September. I am writing to inform you
    about the Catholic Bishops’ Social Justice Statement and how you can access this document.
    The title of the 2017–2018 Statement is Everyone’s Business: Developing an inclusive and
    sustainable economy. It is a response to calls by Pope Francis for economic justice and for
    societies that are founded on justice, offering dignity and inclusion to every person.
    Australia has been fortunate to have enjoyed a quarter of a century of continuous growth. Yet
    not all Australians have experienced the benefits of that good fortune. Inequality has been
    increasing, especially in recent years. Employment and working conditions have become more
    insecure for many, and unemployed people have to subsist on incomes well below poverty
    levels. Housing is becoming less and less affordable for buyers and renters. Our Indigenous
    people still confront enormous economic and social challenges.
    In the Gospel for this year’s Social Justice Sunday, Jesus tells the parable of the workers in the
    vineyard, where all become active contributors and are recognised for their human dignity.
    Inspired by this, the Statement calls us to build an economy founded on true solidarity with
    those who are most vulnerable. Justice must be built into the very foundations of our
    community, and business can work for everybody’s benefit, not just for shareholders. The
    excluded and vulnerable must have a voice in decision-making.
    The Statement will be launched in early September. Copies of the Statement can be ordered
    now from the Australian Catholic Social Justice Council by using the attached order form.
    Additionally, the Statement will be available for download on the websites of the Australian
    Catholic Bishops Conference (www.catholic.org.au) and the Australian Catholic Social Justice
    Council (www.socialjustice.catholic.org.au) from the week of the launch. In the attached
    summary sheet there is a suggested entry that can be used by parishes, schools and groups as
    Social Justice Sunday approaches.
    I commend this Statement to you and your contacts and would welcome your part in its
    promotion.
    Yours sincerely in Christ,
    Archbishop Denis J Hart

  21. Mater

    Real men don’t have to brag about how hard they are.

    …they just throw on black hoodies, cover their faces, gather as a group and go around bashing people they disagree with.

  22. Woolfe

    Just got 2 tickets for Jordan Peterson in Perth. $273, take that!!

  23. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    Summary: Social Justice Statement 2017–2018
    Everybody’s Business: Developing an inclusive and sustainable economy

    Pope Francis has called for an economic system that places men and women at the very centre – one that meets
    the needs of all people and is just and sustainable. He denounces economic structures that take a purely
    utilitarian view of human beings, treating them as mere elements of production, to be thrown away if they are
    not seen as useful or productive.
    The Australian Catholic Bishops’ Social Justice Statement for 2017–18 is titled ‘Everyone’s Business: Developing
    an inclusive and sustainable economy’. The Bishops call for an economy that is founded on justice and offers
    dignity and inclusion to every person.
    The Bishops’ Statement is built around the Gospel for Social Justice Sunday, 24 September 2017. Jesus tells the
    parable of the workers in the vineyard, where all are active contributors and are recognised for their human
    dignity.
    Australia has experienced a quarter of a century of continuous economic growth, but the benefits of this good
    fortune have not been distributed equally. In our workplaces, conditions and security of employment have been
    eroded, while those who are unemployed subsist on incomes well below poverty levels. Australia is experiencing
    a housing crisis. And our Indigenous brothers and sisters struggle with economic and social burdens that most
    Australians cannot imagine.
    In the light of these challenges, the Statement calls us to build an economy founded on true solidarity with those
    who are most vulnerable. Such a society will reject an ‘ideology of the market’ that forgets the principles of
    justice and equity. Justice must be built into the very foundations of our community, and business can work for
    everybody’s benefit, not just for shareholders. The excluded and vulnerable must have a voice in decisionmaking.
    God is calling us to use his bounty wisely, for the good of all and of our planet.

  24. Mark A

    Makka
    #2875122, posted on November 29, 2018 at 2:54 pm

    Real men don’t have to brag about how hard they are.

    So says the little fat beta boy mOron, the champion of feminists and lesbians, the hard boy of fantasy footy,

    Any link to this site?

  25. Snoopy

    Just got 2 tickets for Jordan Peterson in Perth. $273, take that!!

    For a few dollars more you can buy a dozen lobster tails.

  26. Atoms for Peace., ,

    Illegal immigrants still in nappies are perfect Democrat voters.

  27. Notafan

    Australian Catholic Social Justice Network is not the “Catholic Church’.

  28. Lysander

    The catholic church here has embraced marxism, seems to have made a pact with the devil in return for funding.

    Zippy I think that’s unfair. Sure, many areas of the church have been hijacked by cultural and actual Marxists. There are also many parts of the Church where conservatism is growing. It is a difficult balance; I’m always reminded of AB Oscar Romero saying: “When I tell the State to look after the workers and treat them with respect they call me a Marxist. When I tell the workers to respect their leaders and the laws they call me a Fascist.”

  29. Death Giraffe

    Bloody presbytarians

  30. Mother Lode

    Unless they off him first, which is unlikely, given our luck.

    A trail of Krispy Kremes ending in a box full of same (and under a 10 tonne block suspended 50m above).

    This ain’t rocket surgery.

  31. calli

    In the Gospel for this year’s Social Justice Sunday, Jesus tells the parable of the workers in the
    vineyard, where all become active contributors and are recognised for their human dignity.

    My (second most) favourite parable twisted to suit the SJWs.

    Shame on them.

  32. bespoke

    Can someone tell me if there is a legal line that a Church/charity cannot cross when interfering with the state.

  33. calli

    Bloody presbytarians

    I rather like the Pressbuttons.

  34. Atoms for Peace., ,

    Snort .Synchronised swimming in budgie smugglers.

  35. Notafan

    Can someone tell me if there is a legal line that a Church/charity cannot cross when interfering with the state

    As opposed to how much the state can interfere with the practice of religion?

    Which is what you ought to really be concerned about.

  36. Death Giraffe

    Well, half and half.
    Presbytarian / Anglican.

  37. Lysander

    Can someone tell me if there is a legal line that a Church/charity cannot cross when interfering with the state.

    What do you mean bespoke? For starters, there’s… the law! 😛

  38. H B Bear

    I think mUnty’s idea of a hard man is someone who buys his own moisturizer and doesn’t just steal the missus one.

  39. Death Giraffe

    When there still were Anglicans.
    Now we only have Angican’ts

  40. calli

    #metoo

    Half and half. And Low as you can go. 😄

  41. bespoke

    Notafan
    #2875143, posted on November 29, 2018 at 3:30 pm
    As opposed to how much the state can interfere with the practice of religion?
    Which is what you ought to really be concerned about.

    I am for my friends and family’s sake. But I’m also worried about CEO’s to charity’s crossing that line.

  42. Makka

    Any link to this site?

    Mark , I don’t have it but surely mOron will oblige?

  43. Notafan

    Crossing what line bespoke?

  44. Confused Old Misfit

    Is that what Jesus said?

    Wasn’t there.
    Wouldn’t know.
    Probably not.

  45. Notafan

    The requirement is belief in salvation through Christ.

    How can you know that then?

  46. bespoke

    Notafan
    #2875152, posted on November 29, 2018 at 3:38 pm
    Crossing what line bespoke?

    immigration, economy, etc.

  47. Confused Old Misfit

    How can you know that then?

    The requirement is belief in salvation through Christ

    Knowledge comes later.

  48. .

    Atoms for Peace., ,
    #2875132, posted on November 29, 2018 at 3:18 pm

    Illegal immigrants still in nappies are perfect Democrat voters.

    So are dead ones, or earnest ones who meet their civic three or four times over and vote more than once.

  49. Makka

    As opposed to how much the state can interfere with the practice of religion?

    Which is what you ought to really be concerned about.

    That’s not what concerns me about the Church. The Vatican is a homo dominated coven of corruption. The Social Justice idiocy of the Papa and his attacks on western civilization are contributing to undermine freedoms and national sovereignty. His positions on immigration are patently crazy. He doesn’t seem to or refuses to equate his desires for migrant access to the immense suffering of those hosting the unwanted moslem hordes. The rot starts at the top.

  50. bespoke

    Chanel Ten’s advertising New Murphy Brown, he!

  51. Notafan

    I really don’t understand what you mean COM

    What has knowledge got to do with it if the only requirement is belief?

    I would have thought you would come up with some support for your claim from a source doucment

  52. TE:

    – 12 nuclear subs
    – 3 aircraft carriers
    – nuclear weapons
    – lotsa Tomahawks.

    In the first day.

    First we need to decide on the strategic aim. If it is to defend Australia, we need to define our strengths and weaknesses, then to construct our defence structure around them.
    Our strengths are that a threat will only realistically come from the north. (We are talking about conventional threats here – unconventional threats like gas/germ/radiological/trade blockades will require different strategies to deal with them)
    We have General Wet and General Dry as well as General Distance and General poor infrastructure in our north.
    Our weaknesses are a very small pool of males to recruit our military from. A lack of heavy industry and an electrical system capable of running that industry.
    Those are our major advantage/disadvantage assets. (Yes, there are more, but space makes it necessary to ignore them pro tem.)
    So we have a Fortress Australia or Forward Defence to pick from.
    A FA defence would fight to our advantages, especially if we kept our anti shipping assets available for resupply interdiction rather than throwing them into the teeth of an invasion force. (The concept of throwing waves of men and materiel against our enemies strongest forces gave us Verdun etc, and gained nothing except shattered lives and equipment. And a demographic disaster waiting in the wings)
    A FD policy would give us what we currently have. It depends on our allies rushing to our aid. It’s the policy we’ve been using for decades and gives us exactly what we have now – an expensive luxury that cannot do its job, and will cost us half a million dead before we are overrun and lose the war. FD is a concept that has allowed our politicians to depend on everyone else for our freedom while being able to pork barrel their re elections.
    In a last instance, the threat to use nukes on our assets such as mineral deposits, our coalmines, and pursue a nuclear scorched earth policy may add to deterrence as the control of the assets will be the reason we are being invaded. I don’t know if a nuke could be tailored to make, say, the iron deposits at Mt Tom Price unavailable for fifty years.
    But, as you say, there are purchases we should make that will apply to both policies and we need to start them with a rush.
    There are many other strategies that we could discuss, but that’s for another time.

  53. Notafan

    I still don’t understand how NGo’s cross the line bespoke

    Unless as Lysander said they do something illegal

  54. Roger

    The Bishops call for an economy that is founded on justice…

    “Do not steal” and “Do not covet” are fundamental to the Christian ethos.

    And yet I imagine the bishops are quite keen on involuntary income redistribution courtesy the tax system in the name of “social justice”.

  55. .

    Top Ender
    #2874899, posted on November 29, 2018 at 11:44 am

    4. Department of Defence overhauled;

    Go for broke Winston. You know what you want:

    – 12 nuclear subs
    – 3 aircraft carriers
    – nuclear weapons
    – lotsa Tomahawks.

    In the first day.

    Obviously.

    No. The atoms in Australia and our potential enemies operate at a different level of nuclear interactions to that which have been tested by nuclear powers and used successfully on Japan.

    What we need is a conventional weapons building industry in Australia.

  56. Colonel Crispin Berka, King's Fusiliers Corps.

    Just noticed that curly character Imam Tawhidi is supposedly going to publish some more dirt on Islam in a few days time. http://tragedyofislam.com/index.php/book-references/
    A second Satanic Verses perhaps? Didn’t work out well for Salman Rushdie, failed assassination attempts notwithstanding. It’s a fairly hefty risk to take just to cash in on pre-Christmas sales.
    Good luck with that one Mr Tawhidi.

  57. Death Giraffe

    I still don’t understand how NGo’s cross the line bespoke

    ..
    “Welcome all refuges” in bloody huge letters on the city’s landmark cathedral.

  58. jupes

    This bloke is an artist!

    In particular watch the ANZ Bank on St Georges Terrace at 1:48. Doesn’t touch the heritage listed Trinity church next door.

    Unfortunately you don’t see this anymore because of one stuff-up on the other side of the country:

    Unfortunately, that wasn’t the case during the 1997 demolition of the Royal Canberra Hospital, which Mr Moltoni was not involved with.

    A fragment of steel flew off the building and across Lake Burley Griffin, where thousands of people had gathered to watch the implosion.

    The steel hit 12-year-old Katie Bender in the head, killing her instantly.

    Mr Moltoni said that tragedy put an end to building implosions in Australia.

    “It killed it off completely and it’s unfortunate because the same rule could be applied to our freeways — people are being killed on the roads, but would we close all our roads?” he said.

  59. stackja

    Dan split a department. Needed another ministry?

  60. calli

    And yet I imagine the bishops are quite keen on involuntary income redistribution

    In 2Thes 3:10 Paul has something to say about spongers, and there are plenty of them. A little discernment would not go astray in assessing the genuine needy from the slackers. Paul worked his backside off so he wouldn’t be a drain on his brothers and sisters.

    And the Church has an even bigger responsibility than the State. It isn’t just OPM, it’s God’s.

  61. Death Giraffe

    A Dot post I agree with completely.

  62. bespoke

    Notafan

    Perhaps I should have asked when does a NGo stop being a charity and becomes a political party.

  63. Notafan

    We definitely have hundreds of those

    The ones that spend most of their money lobbying government should lose their charitable status

    A pity people still donate to them

    I don’t

  64. Snort .Synchronised swimming in budgie smugglers.

    Don’t laugh.
    Men have a natural advantage when it comes to raising appendages out of the water.

  65. Go for broke Winston. You know what you want:

    – 12 nuclear subs
    – 3 aircraft carriers
    – nuclear weapons
    – lotsa Tomahawks.

    We have lotsa kids that are good with video games, so,
    lotsa drones carrying nasty stuff

  66. .

    Death Giraffe
    #2875177, posted on November 29, 2018 at 4:01 pm

    A Dot post I agree with completely.

    I hope you’re being meta-sarcastic. Half of it was taking the piss out of Chrissy Payhne.

  67. Top Ender

    Only kidding you blokes.

    OK, two carriers.

    Nope, still kidding.

    Actually, realistically, 12 nuclear subs would be a very good start to a more serious defence posture.

    Three carriers are probably beyond Oz’s ability to operate even if we did want to get back into that game.

    I suppose the major problem we have is that most people know very little about defence, and why we should spend billions on it.

    A similar situation as in the 1930s.

  68. H B Bear

    I see drunk Liars groper … oops … alleged drunk Liars groper Luke Foley has abandoned his threat to sue the ALPBC.

    That’s a surprise.

  69. Makka

    Trump magic does it’s desired work at the Fed;

    In a speech to the Economic Club of New York, Powell appeared to suggest that the Fed might consider a pause in its cycle of interest rate increases next year so it can assess the impact of higher rates. Recent remarks by Powell and other officials have made investors more hopeful that the Fed might raise interest rates at a slower pace next year.

  70. min

    No psychology back in Jesus’ days and he probably had not read ancient philosophers ,The Iliad, The Odyssey where one can find in all those thousands of years human nature has not changed.

  71. Death Giraffe

    Oh.
    That’s why it was gibberish.
    I liked the vibe though.

  72. Lysander

    I really don’t understand what you mean COM

    What has knowledge got to do with it if the only requirement is belief?

    I would have thought you would come up with some support for your claim from a source doucment

    St. Ignatius and a man were talking about why Ignatius’ team of soccer boys were so good at soccer. How had he coached them?

    Ignatius replied; “its three stages.”

    “First I will tell you what to do and you won’t understand”
    “Secondly I will tell you what to do and you will understand”
    “Lastly you will know what to do without being told”

    🙂

  73. Top Ender

    It’s Thursday, so The Mocker…

    Left’s bully activists out to silence dissent with bullying tactics of their own

    Now watch what you say or they’ll be calling you a radical

    Liberal, fanatical, criminal

    Won’t you sign up your name, we’d like to feel you’re acceptable Respectable, presentable, a vegetable

    Released nearly 40 years ago, The Logical Song by Supertramp symbolised the individual’s internal conflict in reconciling orthodoxy with free expression and thought. To be accepted, the song held, one not only had to conform with the prevailing ideology but also affirm its principles.

    Back then conservatism was making a comeback. Australia had tired of the progressive excesses of the Whitlam era and installed Malcolm Fraser, then the arch-enemy of the left, as prime minister. Only two months after the song’s release Britain’s Margaret Thatcher, “The Iron Lady”, came to power. The following year Republican Ronald Reagan would defeat Jimmy Carter to become US president.

    For the Western left, it was a time of disillusion. Its cultural influence had peaked in the late 1960s, when its liberal arm railed against conformance and censorship and elevated the rights of the individual over the power of the state. Forced to re-evaluate a decade later, it abandoned these principles. It embraced identity politics at the expense of the individual, demanded conformity in the name of public order, and used the power of the state to render many utterances either unlawful or otherwise verboten.

    Governments come and go, but the left remains in control of our public institutions. It has become the establishment it traditionally abhorred. The transformation could not be more ironic. As the American political scientist Mark Lilla observed last year “[The] Left … who think of themselves as radical creatures, contesting this and transgressing that, have become like buttoned-up schoolmarms when it comes to the English language, parsing every conversation for immodest locutions and rapping the knuckles of those who inadvertently use them.”

    Public institutions are one thing, private enterprise another. The latter has not suffered the same degree of interference and infiltration as the former. There are two primary reasons for this: first, private enterprise attracts people who by nature are self-reliant; and second, most of these statist control freaks cannot wean themselves off the public teat. That is not to say business, especially larger companies, is free of this influence, as evident by the numerous public relations arms talking incessantly about their organisations’ commitment to #MeToo, addressing climate change, and indigenous reconciliation. Yes, we get it. Heaven forbid we think your reason for being is the filthy lucre.

    There is a darker aspect to this corporate virtue, and it concerns online leftist activists who pressure companies and politicians into severing ties with journalists and media organisations whose opinions they despise. Last weekend my colleague Janet Albrechtsen wrote extensively about one of these groups, the Sleeping Giants, whose followers obsessively target companies that advertise with conservative outlets, particularly Sky News.

    These offence-taking aficionados monitor every utterance of presenters for so-called hate speech. Once identified the relevant excerpt is tweeted to companies that advertise on the program or publication. The followers of Sleeping Giants are likewise encouraged to inform these companies of damage to their “brand” by association. You could say the activists convey a polite but menacing message that they would like to feel these companies are acceptable, respectable, and presentable. In other words, terminate your contract with the ”offending” media outlet or face a consumer backlash. Like most of those intent on repressing dissenting views, these activists will lie, deceive and manipulate to further that objective.

    I have first-hand experience of this. In May I wrote of ABC bias, citing two examples of note. The first concerned a Muslim panellist on The Drum, who talked of Islam being a “religion of peace”. She referred to Indonesia, the nation that has the highest number of Muslims, as a “very moderate” and “very secular” country. No-one challenged her, I pointed out. She and the entire panel seemed blissfully unaware of cases such as the former Jakarta governor, a Christian, who was sentenced to two years imprisonment in 2017 for blasphemy against Islam. Neither, I observed, did anyone mention the public flogging in Aceh of those, particularly homosexuals, who violated sharia law.

    The second was an ABC AM report that criticised the National Assessment Program — Literacy and Numeracy testing that voiced concerns of parents and teachers’ unions yet ignored a favourable appraisal of NAPLAN released the previous day by the Centre for Independent Studies. Sleeping Giants responded by tweeting a snapshot of my article and the twitter handle of the National Roads and Motorists’ Association, claiming that its brand “sat beside and (sic) your ad … in yet another News Corp diatribe primarily attacking the ABC while casually throwing in demonizing Muslim’s (sic) and the various Teachers Unions.” If you must verbal me, then at least have the decency to do so coherently.

    Left unchecked this phenomenon could result in diverse media platforms folding. Yet last weekend former Race Discrimination Commissioner Tim Soutphommasane, a supposed champion of diversity, defended Sleeping Giants. Taking issue with Albrechtsen, he said she had “demonise[d] those who dare exercise their free speech against racism, bigotry & sexism”.

    Leave aside for now Soutphommasane’s risible assertion that this, rather than control of narrative, is the aim of Sleeping Giants. What is not in issue is that he regards boycott movements, whether implied or otherwise, as an exercise in free speech. Yet in 2014 he condemned a social media campaign against halal certification businesses. It was, he said, a case of “anti-Islamic bullying”.

    “Its currency is distortion and misrepresentation,” he said. “Bullying that aims to stimulate fear and divide Australians.” Yet now he defends a movement that revels in such tactics. That is hypocrisy. To hear the divisive and censorious Soutphommasane suddenly champion free speech is nauseating. To paraphrase Roy Scheider’s character in the film Jaws, you’re going to need a bigger bucket.

    Make that two buckets. Writing last weekend about 2GB broadcaster Alan Jones, Fairfax columnist Peter FitzSimons described Sleeping Giants as “social justice warriors” who were “pursuing Jones’s sponsors online over being associated with his brand of bigotry, racism, misogyny and bullying”.

    “Does that, then mean the definite end of Jones on the Sydney airwaves, or at least those of 2GB” asked FitzSimons, yet again falling victim to his infatuation with superfluous commas. “Hopefully,” he added. Perhaps Bandana Man needs reminding that only last year he hectored and bullied the elderly tennis legend Margaret Court over her public opposition to same-sex marriage. “Does Melbourne Park really want to have an arena named after someone who stands so firmly against such inclusiveness, who is becoming a byword for bigot,” wrote FitzSimons, calling for it to be renamed. Given his penchant for seeking sanctions against those who espouse politically incorrect opinions, FitzSimons should consider running Sleeping Giants. After all, he is making little headway as chair of the Australian Republic Movement.

    Let’s recap a few facts about Sleeping Giants as outlined by Albrechtsen. An analysis by social media monitoring company Brandwatch found that 200 individual Twitter accounts comprised more than 53 per cent of all tweets in the Sleeping Giants campaign. Of these 200 accounts, 70 per cent of them were anonymous. In a 45-day period this year, the 10 most active of these accounts accounted for 4500 engagements — an average of 450 per “user”. Small wonder the movement is so obsessed with secrecy. The number of activists appears far fewer than what the movement’s name implies, which would mean its influence is vastly overestimated.

    Fortunately some Twitter users are calling out Sleeping Giants for these tactics and reassuring those targeted companies in the process. As one user noted in his response, another reason most of these activist accounts do not provide their names is these companies would be able to ascertain they were not clients as claimed.

    More power to those who counter this bully activism. Unlike these pusillanimous companies browbeaten into withdrawing their advertising, they are more attuned to the likelihood that the so-called Sleeping Giants are in fact only half a dozen or so woke pygmies.

    THE MOCKER
    The Mocker amuses himself by calling out poseurs, sneering social commentators, and po-faced officials.

  74. mh

    From Arky/DG link:

    m0nty
    #2126526, posted on August 23, 2016 at 9:31 am
    …An OP spruiking a Trump victory has to address the demographic problems he faces, as well as the structural deficit in the electoral college, otherwise it’s trash. You can’t build a winning electorate out of old white American men, and it’s bloody hard to win the presidency without winning Florida, Ohio and Iowa.

    On current state leanings according to 538, Clinton’s heading to win about 2:1 in the electoral college. Arizona and Georgia are the closest swing states. Trump is running dead.

    Monty assumed that MAGA only appealed to “old white men”. Sad.

  75. Lysander

    btw did anyone else see the footage of Plibbers popping something that looked like a pill in QT yesterday?

  76. Death Giraffe

    But this country will never have nukes.
    Of either variety.

  77. Snoopy

    The Green bullys have likely done Adani a favour.

    Indian energy giant Adani has announced its Carmichael mine and rail project in central Queensland will go ahead — and will be 100 per cent self-financed.

  78. Makka

    No psychology back in Jesus’ days and he probably had not read ancient philosophers ,The Iliad, The Odyssey where one can find in all those thousands of years human nature has not changed.

    He is the Son of God so what knowledge didn’t he have? Jesus tuned his enduring message to his audience then and to the future of all mankind. Not a bad feat, all things considered.

  79. A fleet of UAVs some carrying tactical nukes (but don’t say which ones) would be relatively cheap and a serious deterrent.
    Big naval stuff is expensive (ask Chrissy) and you’re in shit when you lose some.

  80. Deplorable

    Just watching question time and while shitten started his crap at the rear an envelope full of ? Was being passed along the row. I wonder what was in it, not a brown bag but certainly looked stuffed.

  81. Death Giraffe

    Im driving anf bloggin t sAme time but donf wirry I m not holdin the klone so its IK.

  82. .

    Now you’re talking IR.

    Brilliant Pebbles was a great idea. It made the Sovs shit their pants, the Politburo needed to be reupholstered.

  83. Hey Death, that vibration is bits of a bicycle stuck in the tyre tread.

  84. Death Giraffe

    i fodnt see no biscleizt.

  85. Death Giraffe

    Shit wHh. t was thart?

  86. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Spot of spacechooking for Cats with an interest in matters military – Good account of the Yank Navy’s drive across the Central Pacific from August 1943 to Tokyo Bay in “Pacific Thunder” and “Tidal Wave” by one Thomas McKelvey Cleaver. The havoc wreaked by the kamikaze attacks is well described, as is the dilemma faced by the captain of the battleship U.S.S. Missouri. A Kamikaze pilot had crashed his aircraft into that ship. The captain ordered the remains of the pilot buried at sea, with full military honours. He faced a mutiny from his crew, who considered that said remains should have been thrown over the side, with the rest of the rubbish. Both books are good reading.

  87. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    And yet I imagine the bishops are quite keen on involuntary income redistribution courtesy the tax system in the name of “social justice”.

    you don’t need to imagine, it now official catholic policy so is marxist activism.

    Catholic schools have social justice groups to indoctrinate small children.

  88. Confused Old Misfit

    I really don’t understand what you mean COM

    Now you are simply being obtuse or unnecessarily argumentative.

    What has knowledge got to do with it if the only requirement is belief?

    You must ask yourself that question and provide your own answer. I can neither think nor believe for you.

    I would have thought you would come up with some support for your claim from a source doucment

    Why? The claim is my own opinion. I hesitate to claim another’s opinion is the same as my own. Others may make similar claims. That is for them to decide.

  89. cuckoo

    In the Gospel for this year’s Social Justice Sunday, Jesus tells the parable of the workers in the
    vineyard, where all become active contributors and are recognised for their human dignity.

    False, absolutely false, and the Archibishop must know this. This parable is one of several inserted into the Gospels to explain why the latecomers to the kingdom (the Gentiles) were entitled to it just as much as the Jews who had been waiting for it for centuries. It has absolutely nothing to do with labour practices. If it were, lefties like Bishop Hart would be protesting it, because it would be making the point that a boss is entitled to pay his workers whatever he sees fit, according to his whim.

  90. thefrollickingmole

    Just got 2 tickets for Jordan Peterson in Perth. $273, take that!!

    Whens that on, in Perth for 1/2 of December on a training thing so should have an evening free.

  91. Notafan

    Thank you for clarifying COM

    your opinion, based on nothing in particular.

  92. Makka

    “You can blame culture, you can blame chairman of the board, you can blame the CEO, at the end of the day, three people made a decision that they have to live with for the rest of their life.”

    Clarke suggested the Australian cricket team should prioritise playing “tough” cricket over being liked.

    “Ideally you would love to be respected and liked, but if you can only be one then I know which I’d choose,” Clarke said in his radio interview.

    No Pup. First and foremost the Australian Cricket Team and their Captain have to be respected. And you lost my respect years ago, you and your bunch of cry baby big mouths. That may be changing but let’s see.

    These greedy chumps have forgotten that this Team belongs to all Aussie cricket fans, not just the overpaid fkg poseurs currently in the team.

  93. Bruce of Newcastle

    Chanel Ten’s advertising New Murphy Brown, he!

    They’ve been running and re-running The Connors over and over lately, despite that show rating a gnat’s whisker above bug slime in the US.

    I suspect the overwhelming requirement for a program to be on Ten is it has to be cheap as chips.

    New Murphy Brown would be about as cheap a show as you could get, except for Egyptian soapies.

  94. John Constantine

    DNA donaco is a redchip asx listed company that operatea in asia and depends on chicom money laundering junket tours for its core business. announces the downturn today.

    “At the Aristo, a Chinese crime syndicate threatened VIP junkets and customers on the Chinese
    side of the border, essentially demanding protection money. This had a serious impact on the
    Aristo in July and August 2018, but following management actions to address the situation,
    including working with law enforcement agencies on both sides of the border, the results
    improved in September and again in October. Further significant improvement has taken place in
    November, and forward bookings are strong for December. As of today, management is confident
    that the authorities have the situation under control and that the Aristo business will return to
    normal in the next few months. Management also reduced operating costs by 17% during the
    period to mitigate the impact of the reduced VIP revenue.”

    “The 2018 financial year was a difficult one, with a number of challenges, coupled with changes
    and progress on several fronts.
    The challenges occurred early in the year when it became apparent that the vendor of the Star
    Vegas casino was in breach of the non-compete provisions in the sale contract. This challenge was
    compounded by the poaching of our VIP junkets by the vendor, which severely impacted our
    junket business at Star Vegas.”

    “The vendor has also tried various other means to interfere with our lease rights, including cutting
    off the electricity to part of our hotel, and threatening to build a wall around the property and
    block access. We have obtained further court orders to prevent these threats, and we are also
    seeking compensation through the Cambodian courts”

    Chicom organised crime syndicates are drawn to the chicom money laundering junket casino goers like flies to vomit.

    No wonder Australian casino owners eat so much to numb the stress.

  95. Boambee John

    Winston Smith
    #2875164, posted on November 29, 2018 at 3:52 pm
    TE:

    – 12 nuclear subs
    – 3 aircraft carriers
    – nuclear weapons
    – lotsa Tomahawks.

    In the first day.

    First we need to decide on the strategic aim. If it is to defend Australia, we need to define our strengths and weaknesses, then to construct our defence structure around them.
    Our strengths are that a threat will only realistically come from the north. (We are talking about conventional threats here – unconventional threats like gas/germ/radiological/trade blockades will require different strategies to deal with them)
    We have General Wet and General Dry as well as General Distance and General poor infrastructure in our north.
    Our weaknesses are a very small pool of males to recruit our military from. A lack of heavy industry and an electrical system capable of running that industry.
    Those are our major advantage/disadvantage assets. (Yes, there are more, but space makes it necessary to ignore them pro tem.)
    So we have a Fortress Australia or Forward Defence to pick from.
    A FA defence would fight to our advantages, especially if we kept our anti shipping assets available for resupply interdiction rather than throwing them into the teeth of an invasion force. (The concept of throwing waves of men and materiel against our enemies strongest forces gave us Verdun etc, and gained nothing except shattered lives and equipment. And a demographic disaster waiting in the wings)
    A FD policy would give us what we currently have. It depend …

    Since before federation, the debate on Australian defence has swung between the Imperialists (Forward Defence) and the Nationalists (Fortress Australia).

    The Defence Act (1903), which severely limited the use of the army outside Australia was setting up a Fortress Australia policy. It was overrun by WWI. We largely (BCATP excepted) returned to that policy in late 1941, then went Forward Defence until after Vietnam. Beasley and Dibb tried to get us back to a foundation of Fortress Australia, with a bit of “International duty” crap thrown in.

    Since the Howard era, and particularly since Kevin (I love the UN) Rudd, the Imperialists have been in the ascendent.

    Time for another change in direction, IMHO. But I have always felt that Fortress Australia should be first, with some limited Forward Defence capabilities, but only if they were also appropriate for a Fortress Australia.

  96. Oh come on

    Haha, you clowns have no idea. It’s endlessly entertaining how you make up details of my life and get them completely wrong.

    Um that’s great m0nts.

    My wife has taken four years off work, only doing a bit of casual to keep her hand in. Doesn’t even earn enough to pay tax.

    Also, I hate donuts and never eat them. 😀

    Hahaha stung! m0nty is stung badly! If he didn’t care, he wouldn’t bother explaining. Nice one, Twostix.

  97. Makka

    mOron, it’s Stormy!

    [Stormy Daniels] “For months I’ve asked Michael Avenatti to give me accounting information about the fund my supporters so generously donated to for my safety and legal defense. He has repeatedly ignored those requests. Days ago I demanded again, repeatedly, that he tell me how the money was being spent and how much was left. Instead of answering me, without my permission or even my knowledge Michael launched another crowdfunding campaign to raise money on my behalf. I learned about it on Twitter.”

    That parasite Avenatti cleaned her out, now she has to pay all those expenses. The left and OPM, eh?

  98. Confused Old Misfit

    your opinion, based on nothing in particular.

    Why do you insist that my opinion has to be based on anything more than my own introspection? Why do you assume that my own introspection has not been influenced by an exposure to a culture, an education reading, etc.? Many, many years of exposure. That is hardly nothing in particular.
    Your attitude appears to be needlessly combative and dismissive of rational discourse. Fair enough. Discussion closed.

  99. H B Bear

    Chanel Ten’s advertising New Murphy Brown, he!

    They’ve been running and re-running The Connors over and over lately, despite that show rating a gnat’s whisker above bug slime in the US.

    I wonder how long it will be before CBS realise they have been sold a pup and Channel 10 resumes it’s usual state, “For Sale”? Perhaps they can sell it back to that noted media mogul Lachlan Murdoch.

  100. Notafan

    I though you would do us the courtesy of providing something of substance to support an apparently definitive theological position.

    Discussion closed?
    ‘If you say so

  101. JC

    Don’t be so gullible, Makka. The hooker knew eggsactly what was going on and when it went over the cliff, she blames the creepy porn lawyer.

  102. bespoke

    Will see JC, its a win win anyway.

  103. Makka

    Don’t take offence on behalf of your leftist halfwit lunch buddy, JC.

  104. thefrollickingmole

    On the defense issues.

    Everything you build runs the risk of being wrong for the next conflict.

    Eg: Go drones and the enemy dumps a nuke in the upper atmosphere and kills most of your electrics.
    Go manpower and they go anti personnel drones.
    Go strong points and they go round them.
    etc, etc.

    Our current “strategy” of being a remora on the ass of the USA comes at the cost of joining their ventures.

    Easiest and cheapest would be the USA vs Japan method in WW2.
    (apparently this quote may not have ever been used by Yamamoto)
    You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass.

    The Swiss option.

  105. mh

    I guess Stormy will just have to get back to work – on her back.

  106. Twostix

    My wife has taken four years off work, only doing a bit of casual to keep her hand in. Doesn’t even earn enough to pay tax.

    Oh. Well, well, well looky here it’s 1950’s catholic monty with the little lady at home raising the kids.

    Big Catholic wedding, married beforw having kids, wifey at home to raise the kids. Kids get to have both mum and a dad.

    M0nty is living the 1950s white man’s bliss.

    No wonder he’s not allowed to comment at leftwing sites, he’s their literal devil incarnate!

  107. .

    That parasite Avenatti cleaned her out, now she has to pay all those expenses. The left and OPM, eh?

    Basta.

  108. Boambee John:
    Yep. There’s no reason we can’t have a Forward Defence policy, but it must come after the Nation itself is made safe.
    I believe we should be rotating a Mechanised Brigade through Israel on a yearly basis, just to get operational experience. Add a squadron of our FA 18s for the same reason. An inexperienced Armed Forces is a luxury we can do without.
    But I fear our major problem is the lack of war preparedness – our aircraft will run out of missiles, fuel, spares, and spare parts in the first week. Not to mention pilots.
    I doubt that logistic support has had any funding over the minimum necessary since Vietnam. Certainly a hell of a lot of money has gone into the Gay/Transgender/Feminist swamp, but that will be of use only when we decide to drop 250kg Confused Gender Bombs on the enemy instead of High Explosive bombs.

  109. Confused Old Misfit

    Notafan
    #2875234, posted on November 29, 2018 at 5:18 pm

    If you want

    something of substance to support an apparently definitive theological position.

    Read a bible. Preferably the original King James version. A literary masterpiece. It probably won’t help your confusion as to how it is possible to have a belief in God and be outside a church or religion. But it is a cracking good read. All the sex and violence you could ever wish for (well, almost all).
    Personally I don’t hold it to be a literal history of the ancient world but perhaps more of an allegorical representation. I have to remind myself that those who contributed to its content were writing, in most cases, some time after the events, repeating verbal histories and that they had their own particular agendas to advance.
    I don’t purport to be advancing or proselytizing any particular theological position. That is for those among us whose belief is far stronger than mine.

  110. Top Ender

    But I have always felt that Fortress Australia should be first, with some limited Forward Defence capabilities…

    Fair thought.

    Wouldn’t have worked in WWII, but might work now.

    I suppose we might be well enough secure saying if you come here with aggressive intent you will get a very bloody nose.

    Then again the thinking might well be when you do come we will have given you so much time to build yourself up you will come here for keeps.

    Play Wellington against their Napoleon, perhaps, with a defensive strategy.

  111. John Constantine

    Luv a duck at nhill is the golden example of importing a few dozen Karen refugees and their families into a rural town that had jobs for them in the duck factory.

    The Nhill duck factory was invaded by safe duck freedom rights activists today, demanding it be shut and the Karen made unemployed.

    For the ducks.

    Comrades.

  112. JC

    The Epstein case still gets talked about.

    https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/article220097825.html

    A former prosecutor, who the Herald suggests, went soft on Epstein gets discussed. Epstein’s pal, Bill Clinton, who went to Epstein’s island numerous times, barely scores a mention. The prosecutor works in the Trump administration.

  113. calli

    On faith and knowledge, one after the other, from Philippians 3:

    What is more, I consider everything a loss because of the surpassing worth of knowing Christ Jesus my Lord, for whose sake I have lost all things. I consider them garbage, that I may gain Christ and be found in him, not having a righteousness of my own that comes from the law, but that which is through faith in Christ—the righteousness that comes from God on the basis of faith.

    My experience is that the deepening knowledge of Christ comes partly from fellowship with other believers and sharing in their lives – their joys and hardships and their spiritual growth. In this regard the Church really is “the body of Christ”. The other side of the coin is personal worship, prayer and study.

    The driest, most sorrowful and rebellious times of my life coincide with neglecting the fellowship of other believers. I understand Hay’s (and others) dislike of going to church because hypocricy and other general sinfulness in sheep and shepherd, but don’t leave your return too long.

    The Hospital for Sinners always has room for new patients. 🙃

  114. P

    All India Radio News on Twitter.
    #Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko asks #NATO members including Germany to send naval vessels to Sea of Azov to back his country in standoff with Russia

    I’m not conversant with Australia’s connection with NATO.

  115. calli

    Those duck activists need a boot up the quacker.

  116. John Constantine

    Seabed loitering smart munitions.

    Underwater drones need artificial intelligence and autonomy, because the water shields signals.

    Hard to beat El cheapo munitions just sitting waiting to inflict disproportionate damage.

  117. bespoke

    JC
    #2875235, posted on November 29, 2018 at 5:22 pm

    Its a win win.

  118. John Constantine:

    The Nhill duck factory was invaded by safe duck freedom rights activists today, demanding it be shut and the Karen made unemployed.

    Take the names of the Green Dukluvvas and sentence them to a years road working along the Nullabor Highway.
    No pay.
    No aircon.
    No Mobile coverage.
    Tents to live in.
    Bread and beans twice daily. hehehe…

  119. JC

    Makka
    #2875237, posted on November 29, 2018 at 5:28 pm

    Don’t take offence on behalf of your leftist halfwit lunch buddy, JC.

    I’m being nice, clam down. No reason to for that reply at all.

    Everything the porn lawyer touches turns to shit.

  120. Twostix

    Imagine m0nty at an ALP convention:

    “Smash the patriarchy!” (Gulp)
    “Stay at home mums are engaged in prostitution!” (Shuffles nervously in his seat)
    “Traditional families are abuse!” (Sweating starts)
    “White men must die”…(thank god put me out of my misery I cannot shoulder the whiteman’s burden, please!)

  121. Makka

    Everything the porn lawyer touches turns to shit.

    No big secret there. More to the point though is mOron wetting his nappy on here that Stormy and her creepy lawyer were about to cause Trump’s impeachment! That now degenerates into a squalid entanglement over $$$$. Another mOron master stroke of forecasting. Keep up ffs.

  122. Bruce of Newcastle

    She is one tough old bird.

    Democrats Nominate Nancy Pelosi for House Speaker

    Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) on Wednesday won the House Democrat leadership election to be the party’s next nominee for speaker after running unopposed.

    Congressional staffers on both sides will be apprehensive of her reinstating green cuisine at the House cafeteria. Last time was horrible for them all.

  123. Dr Faustus

    Kerryn Phelps flags bill to get children off Nauru, but needs at least one Government MP to back it

    It would also require the urgent evacuation to Australia of any asylum seeker or refugee on Nauru or Manus Island who is either psychologically or physically ill, on the recommendation of two or more treating doctors.

    “I cannot see an argument against this.”

    No argument that the People Smugglers Guild of Indonesia will school $5,000 a trip customers on how to simulate the symptoms of psychological illness?

    No argument that activist doctors won’t be queueing up in pairs to certify the urgent evacuation to Australia of their new patients?

    Boats filled with appropriately twitching economic migrants will be arriving in the New Year.

  124. Twostix

    Catholic schools have social justice groups to indoctrinate small children.

    I was standing next to a women marking papers on the train the other day.

    I thought it was some leftwing public highschool unimagimably hamfisted propaganda. No. Australian Catholic University.

    One question began “infigenous Australians are the most disavantaged people in Australia”…explain why white people are bad.

    Answers: “europeans bad”.

    Next page was “explain why the sex discrimnatuon act of 1984 was necessary.

    Answers: Bad old days bad.

    Next page was about ruinable energy.

    The weird thing was the paragraph of lead in to the questions made it obvious what the answer was to be.

    “Australia is a sucesful multicultural country, explain why multiculturalism is beneficial”.

    Answers all: “Europeans bad”.

    It was astounding.

  125. thefrollickingmole

    JC

    Almost as mysterious as how Lionel Murphy never managed to lay a paw on “Mr Sin”…
    Or how a Large reputable law firm coulf be missing vital documentation from a former employee turned PMs body of work.

    Mysteries in enigmas,,, we may never really know.
    ///puffs on pipe, sitting in high backed chair in front of fireplace, leather patches on elbows of jacket

  126. Dr Faustus

    Indigenous voice to parliament should be reconsidered, bipartisan committee finds

    So, polishing the track for Shorten.
    The main takeaway is how fucking stupid Julian Leeser is:

    He said the Coalition was more likely to support local decision-making bodies, as opposed to a national one.

    “What the Government said is that while it didn’t support an Indigenous-only body in the constitution, it was looking for ways to give local people a say in their own affairs and in local decision making,” Mr Leeser said.

    WTF does that even mean?

  127. thefrollickingmole

    No argument that the People Smugglers Guild of Indonesia will school $5,000 a trip customers on how to simulate the symptoms of psychological illness?

    Already been given a run in Australia.
    2 weeks can cure mental illness apparently, because that was as long as a “cure” took.
    That and a certain celebrity ‘fugee lawyer waiting at the gate of greylands to coach them through the “my client cant go back to detention/mental illness” routine.

  128. H B Bear

    How long do you think it would take the Refugee Industry to find two doctors to certify mental illness? How long for all country shoppers to find out their names? I’m thinking 15 minutes tops.

  129. Makka

    WTF does that even mean?

    It means the LNP are looking for ways to cave in to the Left. I thought that was absolutely crystal.

  130. P

    She is one tough old bird.

    She’s needed at the moment for special propping up duties.

  131. Woolfe

    Or more likely:

    You can invade Australa. There would be a turncoat behind every blade of grass.

  132. Bruce of Newcastle

    “What the Government said is that while it didn’t support an Indigenous-only body in the constitution, it was looking for ways to give local people a say in their own affairs and in local decision making,” Mr Leeser said.

    ATSIC used to be a thing.
    Maybe they can start a new version called the Commonwealth Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Commission, CATSIC.

  133. cohenite

    Aboriginals should be given government support in proportion to their contribution to Australian society.

  134. Boambee John

    mole at 1729

    Easiest and cheapest would be the USA vs Japan method in WW2.
    (apparently this quote may not have ever been used by Yamamoto)
    You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass.

    The Swiss option.

    When he was PM, Jolly John Gorton suggested just that – “A Swiss-style defence”.

    Didn’t go anywhere, and he didn’t last long as PM. At the time, I just shrugged and put it down to politics. Now? Is it paranoid to wonder if that was an early move by the Internationalist Deep State?

  135. thefrollickingmole

    Ok bizzaro world time.

    A writer has worked out there is a breakdown in trust of global “elites” and the bullcrap they try and sell.

    Whos to blame?

    Right back to the mid-17th century, the bodies tasked with handling public knowledge have always privileged white male graduates, living in global cities and university towns.

    It does get some bits right, but this curious need to blame white men for everything (while giving them credit for nothing) is just disgusting.

    A trend of declining trust has been underway across the western world for many years, even decades, as copious survey evidence attests. Trust, and its absence, became a preoccupation for policymakers and business leaders during the 1990s and early 2000s. They feared that shrinking trust led to higher rates of crime and less cohesive communities, producing costs that would be picked up by the state.

    What nobody foresaw was that, when trust sinks beneath a certain point, many people may come to view the entire spectacle of politics and public life as a sham. This happens not because trust in general declines, but because key public figures – notably politicians and journalists – are perceived as untrustworthy. It is those figures specifically tasked with representing society, either as elected representatives or as professional reporters, who have lost credibility.

    Its actually worth a read even if it does veer into “ORANGE MAN BAD” pieties from time to time.

  136. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    You can invade Australa. There would be a turncoat behind every blade of grass.

    A more likely situation would involve someone who was completely indifferent as to who was running the country, as long as “My Kitchen Rules” was on every night, and their benefits went into their bank accounts on time, behind every blade of glass.

  137. .

    Right back to the mid-17th century, the bodies tasked with handling public knowledge have always privileged white male graduates, living in global cities and university towns

    Aren’t these the men they want to marry after they’ve “found themselves”?

    No wait, a straight cis guy wrote that. He must truly hate himself.

  138. P

    When he was PM, Jolly John Gorton suggested just that – “A Swiss-style defence”.
    Didn’t go anywhere, and he didn’t last long as PM. At the time, I just shrugged and put it down to politics. Now? Is it paranoid to wonder if that was an early move by the Internationalist Deep State?

    I only know that it was a very sad day, the day we lost a great PM.

    A year or so later the Vietnam war ended after nearly 10yrs.

  139. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    A year or so later the Vietnam war ended after nearly 10yrs.

    John Gorton commenced the Australian withdrawal from Viet Nam, when he ordered that Eighth Battalion would not be replaced at the end of it’s tour. William McMahon went on to withdraw all but a hundred or so of the remainder – a feat for which Gough Whitlam is usually given credit.

  140. Boambee John

    Fading memory, I think that Jolly John actually proposed an [email protected] style defence, not Swiss style.

    Even more anathema to the Internationalist Deep State, as the [email protected] had just beaten up the Arabs in the Six Day War.

  141. Boambee John

    Top Ender

    Times are indeed different now to WW II.

    For a start, the current Imperial Chinese Navy is a lesser force than the IJN of late 1941. I suspect that the JMSDF is in a better current position than the Chinese to take large numbers of fast jets to sea, and the giant barrier of the Indonesian archipelago remains between us and China.

    They would also have to consider the possibility of meeting a USN Carrier Battle Group on the way. Other things apart, the US might not want encroachments on its empire.

  142. notafan

    I thought you were done, Confused old misfit

    I see you now reference the self interpreting bible.

    Your claim that mere belief in Christ is sufficient for salvation isn’t supported by the Bible

    Not even the King James.

    I don’t think knowledge of the Bible cuts it either, unless you put that knowledge to good use.

    Bit like being able to recite the Koran gets you to Jannah otherwise.

  143. Black Ball

    Aboriginals should be given government support in proportion to their contribution to Australian society.

    Or just work for it.

  144. Bruce of Newcastle

    A year or so later the Vietnam war ended after nearly 10yrs.

    Trump appears to be contemplating a similar ending.

    Trump’s Strategy to End Afghan War: Reinstate Taliban as a Legitimate Political Group (28 Nov)

    U.S. President Donald Trump’s administration has described victory in the 17-year-old war Afghanistan as reinstalling the same Taliban jihadist group American forces overthrew in late 2001.

    The Trump administration has made “reconciliation” between Kabul and the Taliban the primary tenet of its strategy to end the conflict, raging since October 2001 at an estimated cost of nearly $1 trillion as well as a human toll of 2,272 U.S. military fatalities and 20,412 injuries, mostly at the hands of the terrorist group.

    The strategy is to lose gracefully. In Vietnam it was to lose disgracefully.

    As soon as the Taliban get back in they will be all over the Afghan government, such as it is, like a dose of clap. But the Afghan government is muslim and the Taliban is muslim. It would mean all Afghan government weenies fleeing to NE Afghanistan or over the border, but the net change would probably be even slightly positive for the peasants, since they’d be less likely to face beheading.

    The only thing to complete this plan is to inform the Taliban that if they do anything anti-American the B2s will come in and level everything worth anything. Just so the Taliban know they don’t have carte blanche.

    I don’t like the idea, but I can’t think of anything else that would work.

  145. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Trump appears to be contemplating a similar ending.

    Declare a victory and withdraw?

  146. MsDolittle

    JC is right. Women should stay in the kitchen.

  147. egg_

    https://mobile.twitter.com/MakeMayoMatter/status/1067711195493232640/photo/1

    What a freak show. Anyone who thinks Independents and minor parties are the answer – just show them this photo.

    What a hatfull.

  148. mh

    Makka
    #2875190, posted on November 29, 2018 at 4:26 pm
    Trump magic does it’s desired work at the Fed;

    In a speech to the Economic Club of New York, Powell appeared to suggest that the Fed might consider a pause in its cycle of interest rate increases next year so it can assess the impact of higher rates. Recent remarks by Powell and other officials have made investors more hopeful that the Fed might raise interest rates at a slower pace next year.

    Trump had said the Fed had “gone crazy”. Now Powell says rates are just below “neutral”.

    A bigger obstacle is China and trade, but it’s a battle that has to be fought.

  149. Death Giraffe

    Don’t tell my missus that Dolittle.
    I like not being poisoned.

  150. Boambee John

    Winston

    Rather than a mech brigade, better to send senior NCOs and junior/mid ranking officers (no-one below corporal or above major).

    Too much attrition of junior ranks to retain value long term, and more senior officers command mostly desks, not troops.

    Anyway, I doubt that the [email protected] have the correct trans toilets.

  151. Confused Old Misfit

    Your claim that mere belief in Christ is sufficient for salvation isn’t supported by the Bible

    Did I say that it was?

  152. zyconoclast

    Catholic schools have social justice groups to indoctrinate small children.

    Yes they do. It is called Vinnies.
    They are evil propagandists.
    They infest/infect Catholic Primary Schools worse than childhood syphilis in a remote community.

  153. egg_

    How long has the refrain been that the reason manufacturing is fleeing our shores is because of cheap labour in other countries such that we could not maintain our lifestyles if we tried to produce the same goods?

    Exactly.
    We are told we can’t compete against China due to their large peasant population.
    Absolute bollocks.

    IIRC our car market has gone to the South Koreans, with the LNP’s blessings.

  154. egg_

    It’s time to get rid of anachronisms of separate sporting competitions for males and females.
    We’re all equal!

    Start with –

    (Kick) Boxing

    Next.

  155. Makka

    Trump had said the Fed had “gone crazy”. Now Powell says rates are just below “neutral”.

    The Fed is undertaking a wide study of it’s processes and methods of assessing the economy also. That combined with Powell’s speech is clear indication that Trump is having a real effect on the Fed. That’s healthy. In the end I think China will come into line. They have far too much to lose and are currently in no economic position for a long term trade dispute.

  156. Dr Faustus

    ATSIC used to be a thing.

    Indeed. A hell of a thing.

    My expectation is ATSIC 2.0. Shorten will be informed by ALP focus groups exactly how much popular support there actually is for a constitutionally enshrined, racially-based, advisory beanfeast of no legal significance but with a squirrel-grip on the nations testicles.

  157. egg_

    Real men don’t have to brag about how hard they are.

    So says the little fat beta boy mOron, the champion of feminists and lesbians, the hard boy of fantasy footy, the leftist retarded girly man. Lol.

    M0nster probably wins the soggy SAO contest every week.

  158. zyconoclast

    “What the Government said is that while it didn’t support an Indigenous-only body in the constitution, it was looking for ways to give local people a say in their own affairs and in local decision making,” Mr Leeser said.

    Leeser has written several articles defending the legacy of Prime Minister William McMahon,[6][7] as well as an obituary of his wife Sonia for The Australian.[8] He authored McMahon’s entry in the Australian Dictionary of Biography,[9] and as of 2016 was working on a full-length biography.[10]

  159. egg_

    The Green bullys have likely done Adani a favour.

    Indian energy giant Adani has announced its Carmichael mine and rail project in central Queensland will go ahead — and will be 100 per cent self-financed.

    LMFAO!
    Coal as a commodity has risen in price recently?

  160. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    M0nster probably wins the soggy SAO contest every week.

    Curse you, egg, it’s been a long time since I heard that one..

  161. Elle

    JC is right. Women should stay in the kitchen.

    But the men I know are great cooks! I have them in the kitchen cooking me up a storm while I’m at work. They present for me when I walk through the door at the end of a long day. Then they serve me my dinner.

  162. Makka

    Defeated Liberal leader Matthew Guy was “unelectable,” with traditional Liberal voters turning away from the party in droves over policy, the unsuccessful Liberal candidate for Albert Park has declared.

    In a savage post-mortem of the party’s crushing election loss, Andrew Bond wrote that his community never trusted Mr Guy, and that the party was in dire straits at both state and federal levels.

    “The most often-heard phrase in the last month whilst doorknocking and standing on pre-poll was, ‘for the first time in my life I am not voting Liberal’,” he wrote in an email.

    Get used to it pal.

  163. zyconoclast

    t’s time to get rid of anachronisms of separate sporting competitions for males and females.
    We’re all equal!

    Start with –

    (Kick) Boxing

    Sexist?

    Transgender woman Anne Veriato defeats man in MMA debut in Brazil

    Before the contest, Veriato explained to MMA Fighting why she wanted to compete against men instead of women.

    ”It’s only fair to fight men,” Veriato said. “It never crossed my mind to fight a woman because I think I’m too good. If I beat men my entire career, I can still beat them despite the hormone process. I only know that I’m good after I beat men. That’s what makes me happy and hungrier to train. I don’t think it’s fair to fight women.”

  164. egg_

    Bishop is a complete airhead.

    What was that about modern day feminists and their Ken Dolls?

  165. Oh. Well, well, well looky here it’s 1950’s catholic monty with the little lady at home raising the kids.

    Big Catholic wedding, married beforw having kids, wifey at home to raise the kids. Kids get to have both mum and a dad.

    M0nty is living the 1950s white man’s bliss.

    No wonder he’s not allowed to comment at leftwing sites, he’s their literal devil incarnate!

    We are very lucky, as we tell ourselves every day. Most of our contemporary couples have to both work full time.

    I have compassion for those who are not as lucky as we are. Do you?

  166. egg_

    Transgender woman Anne Veriato defeats man in MMA debut in Brazil

    Does ‘she’ still have [email protected] to kick?

  167. I forced myself to listen to Vic ABC rural radio today and was rewarded by the most pathetic display of capitulation by a conservative you could hear.
    Ex Deputy Premier Pat McNamara and a has been Labor hack along with presenter Nicole Chvastek raking over the election result.
    Nicole was jubilant as you would expect. She pointed out that a nineteen year old nearly won Brighton and a man in a retirement home could well win Hawthorn.
    “What’s wrong with the Liberal party” she quipped.
    What the F$ck is wrong with people who vote for a child and a geriatric would be more the question.
    What did Pat say to defend the conservative cause you ask?
    He quoted a conversation with his Melbourne based son who thought the Libs should be more like Labor and distance themselves from the likes of Abetz and Abbott.
    I was yelling at the radio.
    “For F$!cks sake Pat! Could you at least show some fight for your own team?”

  168. Hay Stockard

    If we had a larger defence force how is it going to be staffed? I shudder to to think.

  169. calli

    JC is right. Women should stay in the kitchen.

    Okay. Just make sure you make it a really big one.

  170. P

    Zulu Kilo Two Alpha #2875280, posted on November 29, 2018 at 6:52 pm

    A year or so later the Vietnam war ended after nearly 10yrs.

    John Gorton commenced the Australian withdrawal from Viet Nam, when he ordered that Eighth Battalion would not be replaced at the end of it’s tour. William McMahon went on to withdraw all but a hundred or so of the remainder – a feat for which Gough Whitlam is usually given credit.

    I consider John Gorton ‘a real man’ then and by today’s standards.
    Another of that era was Black-Jack McEwen.

    McEwen certainly sized up McMahon back in the day.

  171. Snoopy

    We are very lucky, as we tell ourselves every day. Most of our contemporary couples have to both work full time.

    Who are you bludging off Monty? Or are you the beneficiaries of a Boomer’s fortunate demise?

  172. The strategy is to lose gracefully. In Vietnam it was to lose disgracefully.

    […] I don’t like the idea, but I can’t think of anything else that would work.

    There is no losing gracefully in that part of the world.

  173. Andreas

    We are very lucky, as we tell ourselves every day. Most of our contemporary couples have to both work full time.

    Soooo what you’re saying is women of the 1950s were much more fortunate than todays?

  174. Who are you bludging off Monty? Or are you the beneficiaries of a Boomer’s fortunate demise?

    Neither. My business supports our family.

  175. Does ‘she’ still have [email protected] to kick?

    That could be an excellent gender test in these confusing times.

  176. Andreas

    So simultaneously m0nty believe he’s very lucky compared to most couples because his wife can stay at home and raise the kids, but also the 1950s were hellish because women had to stay at home and raise the kids. Okay then.

  177. calli

    Bother. You’ve destroyed my exotic mental image.

  178. Rockdoctor

    egg_
    #2875302, posted on November 29, 2018 at 7:32 pm

    Both prices & tonnages to port approaching boom levels from what I know.

  179. Atoms for Peace., ,

    C’mon, let’s be fair. If hard work gets a result, that’s not luck. The ” jeez, you are lucky” is envy wrapped up in a false smile. Monty, I am not running a fever or on deaths bed.

  180. Hay Stockard

    Notafan,
    Obviously all the free thinkers around here have not had the advantage of being indoctrinated at,a,young age by the Nuns, unlike your good self. Just keep sprinkling the holy water around during thunderstorms.
    Some of us are capable of thinking for ourselves. We don’t bother you. Why are,you n our cases?

  181. Elle

    LOL. You’re a hoot, calli!

  182. So simultaneously m0nty believe he’s very lucky compared to most couples because his wife can stay at home and raise the kids, but also the 1950s were hellish because women had to stay at home and raise the kids. Okay then.

    The 1950s were hellish because middle-class women largely didn’t have the choice to make their own careers if they wanted to. Poor women worked crappy jobs just to get by, but the top echelons of career paths were blocked by a wall of mediocre men. Also, they didn’t have much recourse before no-fault divorce if their men were abusive.

    My wife is going back to work next year because she wants to and the system will welcome her, and it’s great that she can. The past four years have been a luxury.

  183. egg_

    Both prices & tonnages to port approaching boom levels from what I know.

    Concurs with one of Rafe’s posts IIRC, much to the chagrin of the Greenoids.

  184. MsDolittle

    I dunno calli, what have the Roman’s ever done for us?

  185. Roger

    The past four years have been a luxury.

    Having mum at home with the kids if she so desires shouldn’t be a luxury.

  186. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Just watched Bolt interviewing Ben Fordham, aged 42, over an old Lapgraig. Old bull sharing with young bull; both family men. Great stuff. Both from loving secure homes. Ìt shows.
    Spent an hour this arvo in Kidstuff buying Christmas presents, now on to EB Games for new whiz bang games stuff for the older crew.

    Family is all . Now settling back to consider Uhtred. Life is good.

  187. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    The 1950s were hellish because middle-class women largely didn’t have the choice to make their own careers if they wanted to. Poor women worked crappy jobs just to get by, but the top echelons of career paths were blocked by a wall of mediocre men. Also, they didn’t have much recourse before no-fault divorce if their men were abusive.

    Speaking from experience?

  188. Candy

    Monty
    How do you know a woman’s life in the 50s was hell? Is it not possible they were happy in bringing up children and making their nest and died happy after fulfilling their needs.

    You may have read something in a socialist pamphlett that women lived hellish lives. I don’t think you should believe that without question. Ask your mum if she was abused.

  189. H B Bear

    Another old friend of the ALPBC joins the appalling Julia Baird on Teh Dumb … it’s not a Whyalla wipeout right there on your TV … it’s The Legover Man.

  190. Death Giraffe

    Life is good.

    ..
    Not if you are the blackbird that just made a nest in my seed raising greenhouse and laid three eggs there.
    Not once summer really hits.

  191. calli

    My wife is going back to work next year because she wants to and the system will welcome her, and it’s great that she can.

    What “system”? Does she work for the Borg?

  192. Snoopy

    Candy
    #2875342, posted on November 29, 2018 at 8:26 pm
    Monty
    How do you know a woman’s life in the 50s was hell?

    Candy, six o’clock swill followed by violent rape if the dinner was overcooked. Everyone knows this.

  193. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    How do you know a woman’s life in the 50s was hell? Is it not possible they were happy in bringing up children and making their nest and died happy after fulfilling their needs.

    The Fascist hyena of the blog is making the classic mistake of looking at the values of the 1950’s, through today’s eyes. A woman of today is considered repressed and deprived if she cannot combine raising a family with a successful career. Women of the 1950’s did not have the opportunity to combine raising a family, together with a successful career, ergo they must have been repressed.

  194. Andreas

    The 1950s were hellish because middle-class women largely didn’t have the choice to make their own careers if they wanted to.

    And now they don’t have the choice to stay at home and raise their kids if they want to – as you say it’s now a luxury. A luxury that was commonplace in the 1950s. I would think the choice to stay at home with your kids was far more important than the choice to have a cushy career.

  195. Death Giraffe

    Fucking women.
    Lay around on your fat arses for millenia while blokes invent absolutely everything, then once things get easy swoop in complaining men run everything.
    Get fucked.

  196. Snoopy

    H B Bear
    #2875343, posted on November 29, 2018 at 8:30 pm
    Another old friend of the ALPBC joins the appalling Julia Baird on Teh Dumb … it’s not a Whyalla wipeout right there on your TV … it’s The Legover Man.

    Taxpayers’ generosity doesn’t fall far from the money tree.

  197. Death Giraffe

    At least you could bloody learn how to cook, goddamn it.

  198. Snoopy

    My wife is going back to work next year because she wants to and the system will welcome her, and it’s great that she can. The past four years have been a luxury.

    Why don’t you get a job and allow your woman the luxury of staying at home? Selfish xunt.

  199. Entro

    careers if they wanted to. Poor women worked crappy jobs just to get by, but the top echelons of career paths were blocked by a wall of mediocre men. Also, they didn’t have much recourse before no-fault divorce if their men were abusive.

    Pretty sure because of the seniority system that prevailed back then, even Monty could look forward to a senior management position. Of course, that assumed Monty could outlast the Wall Of Mediocre Men above him, so he could have his mediocre turn.

    However, it was certainly true that women could not get married and have a career.

  200. Death Giraffe

    [Throws plate agaonst wall]
    ..
    Look at this house.
    You slovenly woman. When I come home from a hard day um, errr.
    Never mind.

  201. Boambee John

    The 1950s were hellish because middle-class women largely didn’t have the choice to make their own careers if they wanted to. Poor women worked crappy jobs just to get by, but the top echelons of career paths were blocked by a wall of mediocre men. Also, they didn’t have much recourse before no-fault divorce if their men were abusive.

    These days, of course, they have the heavenly prospect of being run over by a maniac while out shopping, get to pay a fair swag of their “career” benefits for mediocre child care, and with no-fault divorce can be traded in for a new model at any time.

    m0nty knows the 1950s were hellish because cultural marxism tells him so.

  202. Entropy

    Hmm, I must have been internalising something. It’s fixed

  203. Entropy

    Of course the fifties were hellish. All the boys looked like leather clad gangsters and the girls were sluts or looked like Sandra dee. Everyone was stupid, but sang well.

  204. Death Giraffe

    Stupid blackbord dies from heat exhaustion video coming soon.

  205. notafan

    You got me stockyard

    I was brainwashed by nuns

    You came up with the sooky story about why you stopped going to church in response to a comment of mine.

    Stop blaming ‘everyone else’ for your decisions, I say.

    I’m thrilled for you all that mere belief gets you a place in heaven.

    It’s pretty much what everyone who never goes to church and has a vague feeling that God is real thinks too.

    I don’t believe it though.

    I fancy I can think independently too.

  206. Bruce of Newcastle

    The 1950s also lacked automatic washing machines, dishwashers, driers, vacuum cleaners (let alone Roombas), electric irons, permanent press, electric stoves and decent fridges.

    The time saved across the economy, with the invention of all these gadgets, is immense.

  207. egg_

    Watching Teh Dumb right there on my TV, shocking me right out of my brain…

  208. Mater

    The 1950s were hellish because middle-class women largely didn’t have the choice to make their own careers if they wanted to. Poor women worked crappy jobs just to get by, but the top echelons of career paths were blocked by a wall of mediocre men. Also, they didn’t have much recourse before no-fault divorce if their men were abusive.

    So instead they get this:

    Sarrah Le Marquand: It should be illegal to be a stay-at-home mum

    But it’s time for a serious rethink of this kid-glove approach to women of child-bearing and child-rearing age. Holding us less accountable when it comes to our employment responsibilities is not doing anyone any favours. Not children, not fathers, not bosses — and certainly not women.

    Only when the female half of the population is expected to hold down a job and earn money to pay the bills in the same way that men are routinely expected to do will we see things change for the better for either gender.

    Only when it becomes the norm for all families to have both parents in paid employment, and sharing the stress of the work-home juggle, will we finally have a serious conversation about how to achieve a more balanced modern workplace.

    Progressive hey?

  209. Hay Stockard

    Lizzie,
    Don’t read Cornwall’s books after seeing the series. It will just be a disappointment.
    Or, is it the other way around?

  210. P

    During the 50’s (all my teen years were during the 1950s), I didn’t know of any mothers who worked.

    My 0wn mother, a trained nurse with years later experience, voiced the fact that she would like to return to her profession but the l00k on my father’s face and his reply was not something she could live with happily. She resigned herself to her husband’s wishes. Looking back I think it was a bad choice. We did not discuss it.

    When I married in 1964 I worked for a year but when our own house was built my husband asked me to leave work and look after him and our home. He said to me ‘people will think that I cannot keep you’.
    Such were the attitudes of the 50’s and 60’s.

    Later in the 70s when all my children were at school I considered returning to the workforce. I saw my neighbours who had gone back t0 work and I considered the price they were paying was too high a price. I did though return to the workforce when my youngest was in yr 12.
    I lo0k today at my two sons and daughter and am pleased that IMO I made the right decision for me.

  211. Steve trickler

    The Life and Death of Cicero.

    Politicians are not born. They are excreted!”



    “The road to Hell has a gentle slope. Slow is the decent. Easy is the way”.

  212. Hay Stockard

    Good move Notafan.
    You used the GoogleRae method of misspelling someone’s name.
    Go and get a big black dog up you nasty purse mouthed hypocrite.
    You lose.

  213. bespoke

    The Cat has broken Death Giraffe.

  214. Death Giraffe

    Men and women should live entirely separate lives until it is time to procreate, which should only occur when they can afford a nanny, wet nurse and mistress.

  215. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Sarrah Le Marquand: It should be illegal to be a stay-at-home mum

    How, in the name of all that is vooking holy, does this silly bint drag Donald Trump into an argument on ‘stay at home” mothers?

  216. Neil

    The 1950s also lacked automatic washing machines, dishwashers, driers, vacuum cleaners (let alone Roombas), electric irons, permanent press, electric stoves and decent fridges.

    You forgot to mention fans. They are really cheap to use. I have a ceiling fan which is great in summer. How I survived without a ceiling fan is a mystery. I guess we just put up with the heat

  217. And now they don’t have the choice to stay at home and raise their kids if they want to – as you say it’s now a luxury. A luxury that was commonplace in the 1950s. I would think the choice to stay at home with your kids was far more important than the choice to have a cushy career.

    The best solution is to increase wages for women so that they have the choice to go part-time and get a better work-life balance. Upper-class women have this choice, and some in the middle class. Not enough yet.

    But of course you lot don’t want that, as it would empower women too much.

  218. Death Giraffe

    No one is stopping women from starting their own fantasy football empire and becoming billionaires.
    Snort

  219. Siltstone

    Where I was in the 1950’s all the women worked. Farms. Still do.

  220. JC

    The best solution is to increase wages for women so that they have the choice to go part-time and get a better work-life balance.

    LOl. Yes lets just increase wages for sheilas just of the heck of it. You know because more money will mean more options for sheilas to get on with their work balance. Great fucking idea, monster.

  221. Shy Ted

    I tried to make a wombat turd, I tried and tried and tried
    A perfect cube eluded me, ’twas longer on one side
    Or rounded on the edges or sadly simply round
    A way to make a cuboid poo I simply hadn’t found.
    But then I formed a cunning plan I’d start eating square food
    Which didn’t remain square for long after being chewed
    So I stuck a square tube up my ass and pooed for all my life
    And cut the long square poo to size using my trusty knife. (Anon)

  222. John Constantine

    The calorie restricted diet isn’t doing Death giraffe any favours.

    Have a plateful of chops and veggies and throw the scales away.

    Go for an increase in lean muscle mass, drop some visceral fat, pull the belt in a few notches and give hunger pangs a miss.

    Lean muscle burns calories lying on the couch watching cricket.

    Plus swapping muscle for fat and doing it slow avoids the loose skin wrinkle effect.

  223. JC

    But of course you lot don’t want that, as it would empower women too much.

    Explain what eggsactly “empowering” means, Fatboy.

  224. mh

    Neither. My business supports our family.

    The government will also be financially supporting your family, it is just a matter of to what extent.

  225. Tel

    Sarrah Le Marquand: It should be illegal to be a stay-at-home mum

    You do realize that’s not intended to be serious?

    Admittedly, The Onion has been the most prescient publication in the history of humanity, but we all keep pushing that fact to the back of our minds for good reason I think.

  226. JC

    Monst

    Here’s my idea. Offer wage increases to sheilas, not for reasons related to “work life balance”. Make pay increases dependent on their BMI index and that it must be kept at 20 for 12 months without a break.

  227. Boambee John

    A few points from the Codevilla article I mentioned this morning

    The logic that drives each turn of our revolutionary spiral is Progressive Americans’ inherently insatiable desire to exercise their superiority over those they deem inferior.

    This forced the recognition that there exists a remarkably uniform, bipartisan, Progressive ruling class; that it includes, most of the bureaucracies of federal and state governments, the judiciary, the educational establishment, the media, as well as major corporate officials; that it had separated itself socially, morally, and politically from the rest of society, whose commanding heights it monopolized; above all that it has contempt for the rest of America, and that ordinary Americans have no means of persuading this class of anything, because they don’t count.

    The revolutionary import of the ruling class’ abandonment of moral and legal restraint in its effort to reverse election results cannot be exaggerated. Sensing themselves entitled to power, imagining themselves identical with legitimacy, “those general laws to which all alike can look for salvation in adversity“—here the US Constitution and ordinary civility—are small stuff to them.

    Conservative speakers on campuses routinely expect “protests” in which people get hurt. “Protesters” at public figures’ homes mean to show that “the people” will not allow “enemies of the people” to live normal lives. House majority whip Steve Scalise and his baseball team were fired upon by someone energized to do just that. This sort of thing—“demonstrators” attacking the rulers’ opponents—is standard in places like Venezuela, Nicaragua, and Iran.

    What matters a lot is that our ruling class does not deal and will never again deal with their opponents as fellow citizens. Theirs was a quintessentially revolutionary act, after which there is no stepping back.

    A potential peace might be obtained based on the sorting out of populations and defusing conflict between them by means of loosening relations between the states such that these become looser than existed prior to the Civil War.

    As I said this morning, RTWT.

  228. Bruce of Newcastle

    The best solution is to increase wages for women so that they have the choice to go part-time and get a better work-life balance.

    M0nty, when you go into Coles and avail yourself of the conventional checkouts, you will often see sixtyish ladies.

    It is clear as crystal to me that these ladies’ husbands are no longer around. They are working as checkout chicks in their late middle age because they have to. These ladies are not your so called ‘upper class’ or ‘middle class’ women. They have no choice to enjoy their grandkids, because they have no family, or the family has dispersed with the failing of the marriage.

    The corrosion that the Left has subjected the institution of marriage has caused such misery that it is an injustice of immense size. In the US about 70% of African-American kids have no fathers. That feeds into poor discipline and poor impulse control, leading to massive prison populations. Same is happening here.

    The Left has done all this. Sure, give more opportunities to women so they can overcome the inherent issues of childbearing etc. But stop breaking the whole of society just to help a few green progressive ladies to have soy lattes and fulfilling job opportunities when they want them.

  229. .

    But of course you lot don’t want that, as it would empower women too much.

    Okay, monster, tell us five ways each day you stop the patriarchy from oppressing your wife and from hurting you as a male.

    GO!!!

    What does the scouter say about your wife’s power level?

  230. Gab

    The best solution is to increase wages for women so that they have the choice to go part-time and get a better work-life balance.

    monty has never had employees he has to pay wages for.

  231. Death Giraffe

    The Cat has broken Death Giraffe

    ..
    Given time, everything I write here will come to pass.
    At which time you would worship me as a prophet, except for the fact that we will both be being worked to death in the People’s Socialist Republic of Greater New Zealandstan’s (Western Region) under the supervision of Ghetto Capo Monty.

  232. .

    The corrosion that the Left has subjected the institution of marriage has caused such misery that it is an injustice of immense size. In the US about 70% of African-American kids have no fathers. That feeds into poor discipline and poor impulse control, leading to massive prison populations. Same is happening here.

    The patriarchy.

    The Left has done all this. Sure, give more opportunities to women so they can overcome the inherent issues of childbearing etc. But stop breaking the whole of society just to help a few green progressive ladies to have soy lattes and fulfilling job opportunities when they want them.

    But I repeat my self. Those women were implicit Quislings of the patriarchy.

  233. Nick

    The best solution is to increase wages for women so that they have the choice to go part-time and get a better work-life balance. Upper-class women have this choice, and some in the middle class. Not enough yet.

    #mansplaining

  234. Mater

    You do realize that’s not intended to be serious?

    It’s not new concept with feminists.

    “No woman should be authorized to stay home to raise her children. Women should not have that choice, because if there is such a choice, too many women will make that one.” – Simone de Beauvoir (1976)

  235. C.L.

    Just saw an ad for the new Dr Blake Mysteries.
    Apparently with Craig McLachlan’s eponymous doctor out of the series, his former housekeeper becomes the master sleuth. WTF?

    In one grab from the upcoming series opener, the police sergeant her she ought to leave a crime scene. “Why? Because I’m a woman?” she replies.

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  236. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    monty has never had employees he has to pay wages for.

    Your true Lefty normally has never had to meet a wages bill, or pay the accounts, or draw up an operating budget.

  237. Bruce, you are babbling.

    Men corroded the institution of marriage by using it as a weapon to dominate their wives, physically and emotionally. No-fault divorce gave women a much-needed way to escape.

    As struth says, it is mens’ fault. But unlike him, I don’t blame the men who empowered women to stand up for themselves and make marriage more of an equal partnership. I blame the men who committed long-running crimes against women to necessitate things like no-fault divorce.

  238. Death Giraffe

    Monty, when you are in charge of the work camp, please remember: I always liked you.

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