“Climate Change is a [Cultural] Marxist Hoax”

Do you want to know the near perfect dye marker to determine whether someone is on the left or the right? Just ask them about climate change. This is an article worth your attention: Brazil’s New Top Diplomat: Climate Change is a Marxist Hoax. I think he has explained the mania over climate change (aka global warming) with uncommon accuracy.

Brazil’s newly appointed foreign minister, Ernesto Frago Araujo, who starts his new job in January under President Jair Bolsonaro, has stated that the climate change issue was invented by “cultural Marxists” to help push a globalist agenda that is anti-growth and anti-Christian, reported The Guardian and the Daily Mail.

I think he is also right about the anti-Christian ideology which I would prefer to discuss as anti-Western Civilisation, and I don’t think of it as pro-China as such but rather anti-capitalist in its fundamental ethos. But these are side issues. This is what climate change really fundamentally is on about:

“An important part of the globalist project is to transfer economic power from the West …” said Araujo, and “a key part of Trump’s project is to disrupt that process, which is already happening.”

As for global warming, “the left has sequestered the environmental cause and perverted it to the point of paroxysm over the last 20 years with the ideology of climate change,” he wrote. The climate scientists “gathered some data suggesting a correlation of rising temperatures with increasing concentration of CO2 in the atmosphere, but ignored data suggesting the opposite, and created a ‘scientific’ dogma that no one else can challenge on pain of being excommunicated from good society. This is just the opposite of the scientific spirit.”

The evidence for climate change is so flimsy to the point of non-existence that it would have been astonishing that it has kept rolling along were it not for its actual underlying agenda.

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117 Responses to “Climate Change is a [Cultural] Marxist Hoax”

  1. stackja

    AGW hoax to make rich poorer and poor richer. Of course the ‘poor’ need ‘leaders’ to handle the new riches.

  2. Gullible

    A small group of scientists are now predicting a new mini-ice age! Rug up and don’t let the facts get in the way of a good story. The sad thing for Australians is how many of the gullible youngsters have swallowed this bile and now tout it as truth.

  3. stackja

    Minister says protesting students are learning ‘how to join the dole queue’

    Resources Minister Matt Canavan says students “don’t learn anything” by walking out of school and protesting, as a major climate change march looms.

    Children as young as five will rally in cities across the country today, calling on the federal government to take more action on global warming.

    More than 200 primary and high schools are taking part.

    Federal Resources Minister Matt Canavan tells Alan Jones he’s all for students learning about science and energy sources, but they shouldn’t be marching out of their classrooms.

    “I want kids to be at school to learn about how you build a mine, how you do geology, how you drill for oil and gas,” he says.

  4. Fixed:

    More than 200 primary and high schools are taking part through the encouragement of teachers.

  5. The climate scamsters at the UN learned from the Ozone layer hoax and the Montreal protocol that roped in all the governments of the World. That was the blueprint.
    They haven’t quite succeeded 100% yet with AGW because this scam is so much larger and too many people are paying through the nose, thus resisting.

    Make no mistake, once this scam is bedded down, the plan is to target water that moves between borders. Rivers, seas, oceans and lakes across borders would all be under control just like energy.
    Control energy, control water and you have 100% control.

  6. Bruce of Newcastle

    Seeing that the recent US climate report, it turns out, was assembled by an Obama activist with financial support from Tom Steyer and George Soros, you have to think there’s a definite smell of Marxism hanging over the whole sorry mess.

    Obama official helped prepare dire National Climate Assessment

    A former Obama administration official with ties to a liberal advocacy group funded by Democratic megadonors George Soros and Tom Steyer helped prepare the Fourth National Climate Assessment, whose dire predictions have since been attacked as overblown.

    Andrew Light, who worked on the 2015 Paris accord negotiations as a senior adviser to the U.S. Special Envoy on Climate Change under Secretary of State John F. Kerry, served as a review editor for the assessment, overseeing the pivotal final chapter that concluded under a worst-case scenario that global warming could wipe out as much as 10 percent of the U.S. economy by 2100.

    So much taxpayer money is wasted on this stuff.

  7. duncanm

    wow – a very succinct and pointed summary of the climate hoax.

    Unusual to see such common sense coming out of Brazil.. their strong religious (Catholic) core has actually seen the threat, despite the papacy.

  8. Terry

    Compare and contrast Brazil’s new Foreign Minister with the litany of ours over the past decade.

  9. Robber Baron

    Trump, Bolsonaro, Salvini and Duterte are not flukes. These men are MEN. People follow masculine leadership in droves.

    Regrettably we had two of the most beta cuck golden shower receiving pussies as our leaders. And the liberals still don’t get it and have now openly advocated for men to step aside for more women in parliament in Victoria. You Libs deserve extinction.

  10. Genghis

    And that ladies & gentlemen is exactly why we all should be pushing for Nuclear Energy so we do not destroy our economies, or transfer to Communists or Socialists regimes.

  11. mem

    https://notalotofpeopleknowthat.wordpress.com/
    Summary

    The US has unquestionably been experiencing a remarkably benign period of weather in recent decades.

    Extremes of weather are now much less severe and less common than on many occasions in the last century or so.

    Of course, the U.S. Global Change Research Program, who put together this report, NOAA, who are the lead agency, and the assortment of climate scientists who wrote it never intended the public to see the real facts. Those would have been far too inconvenient to their agenda.

    And even if they had done, I doubt whether the BBC would have reported it!

  12. duncanm
    #2875682, posted on November 30, 2018 at 10:54 am

    wot duncan said.

    My new prayer is that the masses will be looking for heads when the penny drops that they have been robbed by the climate change racket.

    “Gimme more money or I will fry the planet!”

  13. Sam Duncan

    It’s worth bearing in mind that the global warming scare can actually be traced back to the Thatcher government’s attempts to promote nuclear over coal. That’s the rock the Leftists will hide behind if this accusation ever gains currency. However, it can’t be denied that they took it and ran with it, and that now it’s almost entirely driven by a Leftist agenda. After all, if the catastrophic prognoses are correct, then nuclear would indeed seem the obvious answer. Yet it never is.

  14. Bruce in WA

    Radio news reporting this morning, breathlessly, about a new scientific report that “confirms” AGW and expanded on its dire consequences for Australia: hotter, drier summers, yada yada yada. Quick sound clip from the scientist (who sounded 90 years old!) stating that, yes, AGW was real and we’d better do something about it. Totally unchallenged.

    No matter the truth (and I think AGW is a crock), we are losing the battle.

  15. MACK

    It’s actually an amalgam of a whole lot of vested interests – socialists wanting new taxes and money redistribution, greens who don’t like the smell of exhaust gases or noisy cars, windmill and solar panel manufactures, carbon credit traders, researchers after grant money, lots of consultants, bureaucratic empire builders etc etc.

  16. Dr Fred Lenin

    Thatcher wanted to go nuclear to destroy the coal miners who were contolled by KGB clients. Scargill was a raving narxist fascist to the core,so Thatcher was trying to destroy the type of people niw using her as a poor excusefor u.n.communist fascist globalism . What ever it takes as the firebug said , socialists are lower than cockroaches ,vermin.

  17. v_maet

    For the whole of Thursday 29 November 2018, wind power in Australia (5452MW nameplate capacity) failed to achieve better than 20% capacity factor and hit as low as 5.6% (317MW) at 10:30am.

    Today. Friday 30 November 2018 has also failed to achieve better than 20% and has seen a low of just 1.6% (89.4MW) at 7:50am.

    It isn’t just these one off low points that are the issue as battery storage could solve those short instances.
    Wind output fell below 5% (262.7MW) at 1:55am this morning and hadn’t recovered above that level until 9:25am

    https://anero.id/energy/wind-energy/2018/november/30

  18. Kneel

    “Gimme more money or I will fry the planet!”

    “Nice planet you have there, be a shame if anything happened to it” is more like it. They should go after them in the USA with RICO laws – they are certainly racketeering!

  19. NB

    So clear and unambiguous. Ernesto Frago Araujo is correct. It is fascinating that this is Christianity fighting back. The secular world has largely rolled over in the face of a secular religion and political crede.

  20. mh

    Regrettably we had two of the most beta cuck golden shower receiving pussies as our leaders. And the liberals still don’t get it and have now openly advocated for men to step aside for more women in parliament in Victoria. You Libs deserve extinction.

    RB is referring to Michael Kroger. Rather than resigning following the fiasco on Saturday, he says other men should step aside – for women.

  21. Bela Bartok

    Sat at a public event last night with a Liberal party ‘adviser’ who said, inter alia:
    – Tony Abbott is what’s wrong with the Liberal Party
    – Poor Malcolm was ‘untimely ript’
    – Climate change is the weather vane – if the person you’re talking to is anti-Climate Change, he’s a loon
    – Malcolm had no socialist/uni-party policies
    – renewables are cheaper than coal
    – coal gets more subsidies than any other energy source
    – Tim Wilson and Trent Zimmerman are the bright lights of the party.

    After that, I said I was looking forward to burning the party to the ground, and he was horrified that I wouldn’t support the Liberals any more.
    Says it all…

  22. Tom

    Climate Change is a Marxist Hoax

    Not just a hoax, but a childish fantasy not supported by empirical science, in spite of the massive propaganda over the past decade designed to scare poorly educated children.

    But please leave out the adjective “cultural” to describe the ideology involved, which means nothing on main street. Marxism is Marxism. If you don’t know what it is, look it up. It is, for example, the primary force driving energy policy in Australia, a capitalist country, which will become an impoverished socialist country with stagnant wages and a falling standard of living if it is implemented.

  23. cohenite

    The irony is globall warmings is a reworking of the Eden myth where the paradise of nature was despoiled by the use of fossil fuels. And just like Eden where God banished Adam and Eve to a harsh unnatural world AGW says the backlash from nature to humanity’s abuse of nature will be equally harsh.

  24. NB

    I am fascinated by Liberal failure to reign in the ABC in relation to climate change. I see no reason why a rogue statutory body should be free to pursue its own agenda, against Australia’s interests. Why is it that arm-waving soy-boys have the most fight these days?

  25. “Nice planet you have there, be a shame if anything happened to it”

    Thanks Kneel. And yes, RICO the bastards.

  26. Danoz

    if the catastrophic prognoses are correct, then nuclear would indeed seem the obvious answer. Yet it never is.

    Indeed.
    It’s rather cute that for a while Jay Wetherill did actually think it was about carbon dioxide emissions. But obviously that was when he was just young and naïve.

  27. NB

    Bela Bartok
    #2875779, posted on November 30, 2018 at 12:24 pm
    I said I was looking forward to burning the party to the ground, and he was horrified that I wouldn’t support the Liberals any more.
    Well done, Bela Bartok!
    I like to think of the Libs as having been infiltrated by the left years ago. Pity the infiltrators though. Unless they reveal their hand and go independent or join the ALP in government, they will be out of a job. 🙂

  28. Nicholas (Unlicenced Joker) Gray

    I read somewhere that there are 102 climate models, and the most accurate one is the Russian model. This unfashionably predicts very low heat increases, and for some reason it is ignored. Go figure….

  29. Mark M

    Today, the Climate Council says the Adani decision poses a “grave risk” to Australia.
    Climate Council chief executive Amanda McKenzie questioned the announcement when large parts of Queensland were burning and gripped by drought.

    “As Australia’s climate breaks down before our eyes, driven by the pollution from fossil fuels and threatening lives, LNP Minister applauds a new coal mega-mine from a multinational he calls a ‘little Aussie battler’,” Mr Bandt wrote on Twitter.
    “Matt Canavan, you are a danger to human life.”

    https://www.news.com.au/technology/environment/climate-change/senator-matthew-canavan-cops-backlash-over-tone-deaf-tweet-during-bushfires/news-story/2efed2488ee3660cc6b556e9eb7ca75e

    Coal miners to blame for Queensland floods, says Australian Greens leader Bob Brown
    https://www.news.com.au/breaking-news/coal-miners-to-blame-for-queensland-floods-says-australian-greens-leader-bob-brown/news-story/cbfe12042fa9c4149ea3c10524f57344

    Is there nothing coal miners can’t do?

  30. H B Bear

    Won’t anyone think of the children? And the Little Reef that Could.

  31. Tom

    “As Australia’s climate breaks down before our eyes, driven by the pollution from fossil fuels and threatening lives, LNP Minister applauds a new coal mega-mine from a multinational he calls a ‘little Aussie battler’,” Mr Bandt wrote on Twitter.
    “Matt Canavan, you are a danger to human life.”

    And, like Good Germans under the Third Reich, Australia’s “news media” reprints this laughable propaganda made up by activists without a shred if scientific proof without question.

    Even the propaganda ministry of the Chinese communist government laughs at our gullibility.

  32. Bazinga

    A few counterprotestes with signs “Your teachers are lying to you” would be pretty effective.

  33. Bazinga

    protesters, Freudian, possibly

  34. billie

    DOesn’t matter what we say or do

    nothing wil change the growing mass hysteria except results that are different to what they are expecting

    climate:-
    if nothing happens, then that’s because good guys are fighting evil deniers

    if it gets worse, well that’s because of fossil fuel and deniers

    if it gets better, then what? the good fight is winning .. never, becaus that means they have won and can stop. Never going to happen

    hat eto say it,but we need the oppostie of what they are saying, a cooling is what we need, big time cooling and even if some are not happy with it, it serves the purpose of calling out the charletons

    one poor outcome of this, scientists will lose more credibility that they are now

    sad really .. but maybe, just maybe, we’ll get Nukular power out of it

  35. Harken Now

    Hark! It is very simple: continue with this febrile conspiracy belief, and condemn any party with a substantial number who believe it to the electoral fringe forever. (At least in Blessed Australia: compulsory voting is good for helping prevent stupid populist ideas get over the line.)

    You all need to start a new party: the Climate Change is a Socialist Conspiracy and Other Stuff That Everyone Else is Wrong About Party. [Membership open to those with a Senior’s Card, geologists who have spent too much time in the sun, men who have been done wrong by a woman and think about it daily, and women who are married to those men.]

  36. JC

    Oh yes, propellers on sticks work so well they don’t any subsidies.

    Hang on, yes they do!

    Alex, the present science , even if you believe it, suggests the economic reaction should be zilch.

    Now go away and see if that wind is blowing 🙂

    I bet you wake up each morning in Singapore and check to see the weather report if there’s any wind. You big time wind farmer you.

    How’s dame Edna?

  37. JC

    I don’t know why some of you guys even worry about da science. The economics fucks the warmers like Alex the wind farmer more than gang bang porn movie.

  38. JC

    Holmes a’court’s kid is also a big time wind farmer. It’s like the new coming out for kids with wealthy parents. Go out wind farming. It’s the new subsidised crop.

  39. Makka

    Compare and contrast Brazil’s new Foreign Minister with the litany of ours over the past decade.

    Exactly. How pissweak are our traitors in Govt.

  40. Tel

    nothing wil change the growing mass hysteria except results that are different to what they are expecting

    As far as I can tell the “mass hysteria” is not growing. The whole global warming schtick isn’t getting the ticket sales that it used to get, and it’s way down on the list of things people care about.

    Every scare story prediction that doesn’t happen gradually turns away a few more people.

  41. Tel

    [Membership open to those with a Senior’s Card, geologists who have spent too much time in the sun, men who have been done wrong by a woman and think about it daily, and women who are married to those men.]

    Bruce is right. They do always play the man after getting beaten a few times on the science.

  42. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    The irony is globall warmings is a reworking of the Eden myth where the paradise of nature was despoiled by the use of fossil fuels. And just like Eden where God banished Adam and Eve to a harsh unnatural world AGW says the backlash from nature to humanity’s abuse of nature will be equally harsh.

    Yes, it is surprising how much of this sort of romanticism is abroad in the zeitgeist. AGW is punishment for humanity’s evil ways. The call is for us all to revert to a bucolic pre-industrial life (but without the cows!) and live according to communal rules, led by the all-knowing seers of the left. We will be miraculously clothed, fed, watered and housed because the world is beautiful and nature will provide if we reduce our evil consumption enough.

    AGW is a cult, morphed into a world-wide religion of peace, harmony and ever-arriving ‘cargo’ from nowhere. No more and no less than that. Those poor youngsters today barracking for a future without jobs, although like the Childrens’ Crusade of the past, they know not what they are signing up for. They bleat out their little hearts, and do so with the highest of ideals, for unformed minds are easily led, as both history and the Pied Piper myths suggest.

    Bow down to Gaia and all will be well. If most of humanity dies off in the process, well, that is our just due and only the Elect and the Saved will survive. Guess who they are? The usual communists.

  43. Perplexed of Brisbane

    I like nuclear power because we can have environmentally friendly energy which will make the green loons lose their minds and also because we can have nuclear weapons too.

    You hope you never need them but they might give some of our erstwhile neighbours a moment of pause.

    Numerical military superiority doesn’t mean as much then.

  44. “Climate Change is a [Cultural] Marxist Hoax”

    So this is what we have come to.
    Any candidate who uttered those words will get my vote. Regardless of party or views on anything else.

    Yo listenin’ troughers.

  45. Harken Now

    Hark! Tel: no, there is no point in chasing denialism’s endless, hydra-headed, already debunked (over and over and over again) talking points and memes. You only believe your clique of contrarians, and appear way too readily convinced by their graphing skills and lack of ability to get anything disproving the reality published in proper journals.

    Hence the call to “go meta”: to invite you people who cling to your conspiracies and views supported by a handful of contrarian climate science types to think to yourselves: how is it possible that the denialist points I think kill this science idea dead are not actually accepted by the vast majority of scientists, their professional bodies, religious bodies with science advisers, Communist nations, capitalist nations, nations somewhere in between, most media (except that with the same political ideology as mine), the military, and NASA?

    Think deeply. Well, actually, you don’t need to think deeply at all. There is a simple explanation.

    You’re wrong.

  46. manalive

    … An important part of the globalist project is to transfer economic power from the West …

    That’s definitely the part of Climate Change™ aka Climate-Industrial Complex that appeals to latter-day or neo-Marxists and specifically it’s a transfer from the relatively poor in relatively rich countries to the relatively rich in relatively poor countries.
    Those miserable self-satisfied Climate Change™ enthusiasts are not interested in the welfare of the 1.3 billion people living without any access to cheap reliable power, or if they are they preach solar panels and windmills à la ‘let them eat cake’.
    Another reason for the appeal of CC™ to neo-Marxists is that it offers a similar historical determinism to the old-fashioned variety except that instead of a guaranteed future utopia if their plans are followed, now it’s a future dystopia if they aren’t — whereas a dreadful dystopia is the inevitable result of both versions.

  47. yarpos

    “It isn’t just these one off low points that are the issue as battery storage could solve those short instances.”

    for 80% of 5.5GW? I dont think so

  48. Harken Now

    Hark!

    AGW is a cult, morphed into a world-wide religion of peace, harmony and ever-arriving ‘cargo’ from nowhere. No more and no less than that. Those poor youngsters today barracking for a future without jobs, although like the Childrens’ Crusade of the past, they know not what they are signing up for. They bleat out their little hearts, and do so with the highest of ideals, for unformed minds are easily led, as both history and the Pied Piper myths suggest.

    Bow down to Gaia and all will be well. If most of humanity dies off in the process, well, that is our just due and only the Elect and the Saved will survive. Guess who they are? The usual communists.

    We in Heaven lack genitalia, otherwise we’d say “what a wank”.

  49. billie

    tel “As far as I can tell the “mass hysteria” is not growing. The whole global warming schtick isn’t getting the ticket sales that it used to get, and it’s way down on the list of things people care about.”

    except the 200 schools whose kids emptied out to protest about climate change

    it’s not going backwards, it is progressing .. we’ve lost a PM who was determined to go that way, now a resignation from the party in parliament

    don’t know about you, but I see and here it every day on the increase

  50. JC

    Harks, you’re the best NPC’er who’s climbed the wall (like in WW Z).

    Let’s go wind farming. 🙂

  51. max

    May 7, 2014

    ‘600 page litany of doom’: Weather Channel Co-Founder John Coleman

    ‘When the temperature data could no longer be bent to support global warming, they switched to climate change and now blame every weather and climate event on CO2 despite the hard, cold fact that the “radiative forcing” theory they built their claims on has totally failed to verify.’

    The current bad science is all based on a theory that the increase in the amount of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere from the exhaust of the burning of fossil fuels leads to a dramatic increase in “the greenhouse effect” causing temperatures to skyrocket uncontrollably.

    This theory has failed to verify and is obviously dead wrong. But the politically funded and agenda driven scientists who have built their careers on this theory and live well on the 2.6 billion dollars of year of Federal grants for global warming/climate change research cling to this theory and bend the data spread to support the glorified claims in their reports and papers.’

  52. Bela Bartok#2875779, posted on November 30, 2018 at 12:24 pm
    Sat at a public event last night with a Liberal party ‘adviser’ who said, inter alia:
    – Tony Abbott is what’s wrong with the Liberal Party
    – Poor Malcolm was ‘untimely ript’
    – Climate change is the weather vane – if the person you’re talking to is anti-Climate Change, he’s a loon
    – Malcolm had no socialist/uni-party policies
    – renewables are cheaper than coal
    – coal gets more subsidies than any other energy source
    – Tim Wilson and Trent Zimmerman are the bright lights of the party.

    After that, I said I was looking forward to burning the party to the ground, and he was horrified that I wouldn’t support the Liberals any more.
    Says it all…

    +1
    Well done!

  53. JC

    I must admit, after thinking about, Alex is correct. We need to do lots more wind farming. :-0

  54. max

    Since WWII, scientific inquiry has increasingly merged with the goals of power and profit.

    Thomas Kuhn portrayed scientific activity not as an openminded philosophical quest but as puzzlesolving — the extension and application of existing paradigms.

    Kuhn argued that being a scientist involved obedience to “dogma” and a narrowing of perception. Science remained, of course, the most reliable knowledge we had, but whatever moral authority might follow from regarding science as uniquely free of prejudice was no longer available.

    One consequence is that a great deal of scientific inquiry has merged with institutions whose goals are presumed to include profit and power, not the disinterested search for truth—and certainly not moral uplift.

    Nor does the new scientism solve the long-standing problem of whom to trust.

    If the disinterestedness and selflessness of scientists can be no more relied on than that of bankers, then scientific conclusions should be no more trusted than financial derivatives

    http://bostonreview.net/steven-shapin-scientism-virtue

  55. max

    Science Has Spoken: Global Warming Is a Myth by Arthur B. Robinson and Zachary W. Robinson

    https://stephenschneider.stanford.edu/Publications/PDF_Papers/RobinsonAndRobinson.pdf

  56. Bruce of Newcastle

    I must admit, after thinking about, Alex is correct. We need to do lots more wind farming. :-0

    It’d give more targets for hurricanes! The ones on Puerto Rico look rather sad.

    So do the solar panels – this article is from yesterday:

    What Could Take the Shine Off of Solar? A Waste Problem

    Sam Vanderhoof is still thinking about the 12,000 solar panels in Puerto Rico he can’t recycle. Vanderhoof’s recycling site is in Arizona, and the panels, destroyed by Hurricane Maria, are far enough to make the shipping costs unmanageable.

    After first getting a call about them in September, Vanderhoof, founder and owner of Solar CowboyZ, a consulting firm in California, hasn’t heard anything. As far as he knows, the panels are still there.

    Fun pics. Not only were the panels blown around like confetti but they’re so worthless for recycling no one wants to clean the mess up.

    There’s an irony about the climatistas pushing wind and solar so hard despite them being unworkable for stable grid electricity. They say that extremely extreme weather is due to CO2 emissions. For some reason they haven’t worked out that the extremely extreme weather is going to trash all those solar panels and wind turbines they are building at such great cost. Then trash them all over again right after they’re expensively rebuilt. And etc.

    Good thing global warming hasn’t actually happening for decades or they’d be in a pickle.

  57. max

    Environmentalism as Religion by Michael Crichton

    I studied anthropology in college, and one of the things I learned was that certain human social structures always reappear. They can’t be eliminated from society. One of those structures is religion.

    Today, one of the most powerful religions in the Western World is environmentalism. Environmentalism seems to be the religion of choice for urban atheists. Why do I say it’s a religion? Well, just look at the beliefs. If you look carefully, you see that environmentalism is in fact a perfect 21st century remapping of traditional Judeo-Christian beliefs and myths.
    There’s an initial Eden, a paradise, a state of grace and unity with nature, there’s a fall from grace into a state of pollution as a result of eating from the tree of knowledge, and as a result of our actions there is a judgment day coming for us all. We are all energy sinners, doomed to die, unless we seek salvation, which is now called sustainability. Sustainability is salvation in the church of the environment. Just as organic food is its communion, that pesticide-free wafer that the right people with the right beliefs, imbibe.
    Eden, the fall of man, the loss of grace, the coming doomsday—these are deeply held mythic structures. They are profoundly conservative beliefs. They may even be hard-wired in the brain, for all I know. I certainly don’t want to talk anybody out of them, as I don’t want to talk anybody out of a belief that Jesus Christ is the son of God who rose from the dead. But the reason I don’t want to talk anybody out of these beliefs is that I know that I can’t talk anybody out of them. These are not facts that can be argued. These are issues of faith.
    And so it is, sadly, with environmentalism. Increasingly it seems facts aren’t necessary, because the tenets of environmentalism are all about belief. It’s about whether you are going to be a sinner, or saved. Whether you are going to be one of the people on the side of salvation, or on the side of doom. Whether you are going to be one of us, or one of them.

    What about salvation, sustainability, and judgment day? What about the coming environmental doom from fossil fuels and global warming, if we all don’t get down on our knees and conserve every day?
    Well, it’s interesting. You may have noticed that something has been left off the doomsday list, lately. Although the preachers of environmentalism have been yelling about population for fifty years, over the last decade world population seems to be taking an unexpected turn. Fertility rates are falling almost everywhere. As a result, over the course of my lifetime the thoughtful predictions for total world population have gone from a high of 20 billion, to 15 billion, to 11 billion (which was the UN estimate around 1990) to now 9 billion, and soon, perhaps less. There are some who think that world population will peak in 2050 and then start to decline. There are some who predict we will have fewer people in 2100 than we do today. Is this a reason to rejoice, to say halleluiah?

    Okay, so, the preachers made a mistake. They got one prediction wrong; they’re human. So what. Unfortunately, it’s not just one prediction. It’s a whole slew of them. We are running out of oil. We are running out of all natural resources. Paul Ehrlich: 60 million Americans will die of starvation in the 1980s. Forty thousand species become extinct every year. Half of all species on the planet will be extinct by 2000. And on and on and on.
    With so many past failures, you might think that environmental predictions would become more cautious. But not if it’s a religion. Remember, the nut on the sidewalk carrying the placard that predicts the end of the world doesn’t quit when the world doesn’t end on the day he expects. He just changes his placard, sets a new doomsday date, and goes back to walking the streets. One of the defining features of religion is that your beliefs are not troubled by facts, because they have nothing to do with facts.

  58. cohenite

    This climate troll is a real dickhead:

    denialist

    , fuck me dead; who over 12 still says that shit.

  59. JC

    Don’t ruin a good NPC hammering for the rest of us, Cronkite.

  60. Snoopy

    For some reason they haven’t worked out that the extremely extreme weather is going to trash all those solar panels and wind turbines they are building at such great cost. Then trash them all over again right after they’re expensively rebuilt. And etc.

    Excellent point. There’s never been a nuclear power station destroyed by extreme weather.

  61. Gavin R Putland

    So let me get this straight. I’m not allowed to get my Christianity exclusively from Christian revelation anymore. I’m not a real Christian until I renounce my independent belief in climate change. Right?

  62. Crossie

    Terry
    #2875692, posted on November 30, 2018 at 11:00 am
    Compare and contrast Brazil’s new Foreign Minister with the litany of ours over the past decade.

    And we haven’t seen the worst of what Alexander Downer did in collusion with Clintons and Obamas in the run up to the 2016 US elections. No wonder Malcolm rushed in front of cameras to implore us not to panic as soon as election results were known.

    I still think that Australia as a whole will pay for this skullduggery when Trump gets around to it.

  63. Bushkid

    Harken Now
    #2875884, posted on November 30, 2018 at 2:14 pm

    Grow up.

    Oh, and go and actually read the content of those web pages and blogs and graphs you denigrate, I mean actually read them.

    You might actually learn something.

    BTW, good posts in rebuttal, max. Thanks.

  64. Crossie

    NB
    #2875776, posted on November 30, 2018 at 12:17 pm
    So clear and unambiguous. Ernesto Frago Araujo is correct. It is fascinating that this is Christianity fighting back. The secular world has largely rolled over in the face of a secular religion and political crede.

    Not just secular world, the religious world is in league with its enemies. Just look at what Pope Frankie is concerned about, it’s climate change and not people’s immortal souls.

    When men of God refuse to do the right thing God has to look for others to do his work. At the moment Trump and a few other statesmen are at least heading in the right direction. Ironic really that a man universally referred to as a vulgarian does more for Christianity than the holier-than-thou hypocrites who want to tell everyone what sort of a car would Jesus drive.

  65. JC

    Alex, Can we start up a combo farm? I reckon a carbon and wind farm combo could be a massive producer. A veritable god mine.

  66. Elizur Right

    Enjoyed a wonderful afternoon aboard the ESS Earnslaw on Lake Wakatipu in NZ yesterday. Two triple expansion 250 horse power steam engines consuming 1 tonne of coal per hour… its fantastic.

  67. Tel

    We in Heaven lack genitalia …

    You can do that on Earth these days!

    Maybe the scientific method will come out ahead after all, let’s see what Darwin has to say.

  68. C.L.

    Global warming and the global ‘migration’ (invasion) push are part of an obviously orchestrated plan to end the ‘West’ (and the Christian West) and end white nations.

    This isn’t even up for debate. It is axiomatic and undeniable.

  69. NB

    Crossie
    #2876092, posted on November 30, 2018 at 8:20 pm

    Not just secular world, the religious world is in league with its enemies. Just look at what Pope Frankie is concerned about, it’s climate change and not people’s immortal souls.

    True. L’il Frank lamented the death of Castro. Say no more. This ray of light from Brazil is a welcome relief from the darkness.

  70. Harken Now

    Hark! That CL!

    Defence of “white nations” and the Christian West from the impurity of darker skin hues and their imported lazy yet vicious Socialism is all part and parcel of decrying 60 or so years of science?

    This white sheet and flaming cross enthusiasm for your nation and pasty skinned compadrez is almost touching in its anachronistic, “don’t mind him, he’s a bit touched”-said-one-nursing-home-attendant-to-the-other type of way, but we’re having our reservations in Heaven that this is the best way to indicate an objective interest in scientific evidence.

  71. struth

    It is not a hoax.
    That language is too soft.
    It suggests it’s just a scam or a way to steal money.
    It is a major part of a global socialist attack on the west, designed to bring on the west’s complete destruction.
    Hoax just isn’t a strong enough word for what is going on here in my view.

  72. Bruce of Newcastle

    Hark – Why do you assume all the people here are white?

    India and China have given lip service to the global warming scam, whilst building literally hundreds of coal fired power stations.

    Both have many scientists.

    The guy who ran the Indian space program for example, and who was a senior policy guy for many Indian governments, was Prof. Udupi Rao. Prof. Rao who died last year was a galactic cosmic ray astrophysicist. He has a paper on the indirect solar warming which caused almost half of the global temperature rise last year.

    No wonder India isn’t kowtowing to the green progressives.

  73. Bruce of Newcastle

    Oops that should’ve been “He has a paper on the indirect solar warming which caused almost half of the global temperature rise last century.” Bit early in the morning yet.

  74. struth

    Skin colour has nothing to do with this harken.
    You must be a lefty.
    Lefties are racists who bring skin colour into every conversation.
    There is a hatred by socialists toward christianity no matter what colour they are.
    Our fight is against global socialism trying to destroy the west, a culture which is undeniably based on christianity.
    We believe in the nation state because without it there is no democracy.
    Please keep your brainwashed bullshit and racism off this blog.

  75. struth

    Socialist funded science is not science.
    It’s propaganda.
    Propaganda designed to be swallowed by the gullible.

  76. RobK

    Harken posts from a delusional disposition. A make believe world where all is pure and his authority is unquestioned, by himself at least.
    His insecurity is purile.

  77. egg_

    Make no mistake, once this scam is bedded down, the plan is to target water that moves between borders. Rivers, seas, oceans and lakes across borders would all be under control just like energy.
    Control energy, control water and you have 100% control.

    Would seem to fit the Global Marxist agenda down to a tee, what with the old ‘food miles’ guilt concept on global trading of commodities.

  78. egg_

    Hark – Why do you assume all the people here are white?

    Projection, because everyone knows that little brown people cringe under the Left’s multiculti umbrella for protection.

  79. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Oh, so there’s a genderless being on this thread who thinks he can’t flog himself. His ridiculous piece of ‘climate science rools everywhere’ shows very well that he can, although the Good Lord alone knows with what equipment. Especially as the brain is the major sexual organ and he is also brainless.

    Sweetie, I get my satisfactions from the brain and elsewhere with a perfectly delightful hairy man, my husband. I am a Climate Realist, and a scientist, as are many here. You are the demented religionist bloke with the doomsday signboard and an unprovable discredited ‘hypothesis’, changing the date regularly on the street corner sign slung hopefully around your vulnerable neck, still rattling a tin can for billions of taxpayer dollars as you desperately homogenise data to ‘fit’ your fiddle.

    Go fly around a windmill, Angel, and meet the fate of a million birds. Bye-bye.

  80. C.L.

    Skin colour has nothing to do with this harken.

    That’s not really true.
    The globalists are trying to end white nations precisely as white nations.
    As I said, that’s not even up for debate. It’s self-evidently true.
    This has nothing to do with the phony ‘science’ of ‘climate change.’
    As I stipulated above, the ‘migration’ agenda is separate to but of a piece with warmenism.

  81. C.L.

    As others above suggest, moreover, the disturbing irony of the warmenist left’s tangential hatred of white nations is that they believe the brown peoples of Africa, India and Asia have no right to a coal-fired industrial age. A more supremacist and malicious racism it’s hard to imagine. The ham-fisted compensation for this is ‘migration’ from those same countries to the West. The two strands of globalism – warmenism and ‘migration’ are linked. That’s obvious.

  82. Harken Now

    Harrk! Thin Lizzie is a scientist? What startling field did you work in, and for how many years? Anything published? Ever talk to a atmospheric science type? Can you let us in the secret as to how they told you they were getting into climate science for the money? Enlighten us! It’s exciting to have a real scientist here to discuss her insight into a science topic instead of listening to that CL explain how he thought the KKK rally was the best part of Oh Brother Where Art Thou .

    Which reminds us – someone up thread asked why do We assume that everyone who posts here is white? Please – We have to put on shades to even open this site. The darkest skin colour We sense is liver spot.

  83. Bruce of Newcastle

    She’s Doctor Thin Lizzie to you Hark.
    As for the rest of what you say I could have you up at the AHRC under s18c quite easily son.
    I’d win too.
    But I’d prefer we talked about science and data, which you seem to have run out of.
    How about commenting on the ~60 year cycle, which caused about half of the warming last century?
    Why don’t the IPCC acknowledge it, despite being so obvious?

  84. PB

    Who needs proof when the underappreciated Teachers are coaching the children to “strike” over climate action? Muh feelings! Who needs facts?

  85. Harken Now

    Hark! Bruce: a prediction – Googling IPCC and AMO will show in about .5 seconds that it is not ignored.

    Not chasing you down your graphing rabbit holes – get published, get famous, and get back to us, there’s a good chap.

  86. C.L.

    Which reminds us – someone up thread asked why do We assume that everyone who posts here is white? Please – We have to put on shades to even open this site. The darkest skin colour We sense is liver spot.

    This Obama ad hominem is not an argument.
    Prove that Australia can change the temperature of the earth.
    GO!

  87. struth

    Which reminds us – someone up thread asked why do We assume that everyone who posts here is white? Please – We have to put on shades to even open this site. The darkest skin colour We sense is liver spot.

    Never let facts get in the way, or help formulate, an opinion, whether it’s the race of commenters on the internet, or Climate fear mongering.

    All you need to do is “sense” it!

    This is the level of racist stupidity and arrogance we are up against.

  88. struth

    What have you got against white people, Harken now?

    and

    Do you think China will stop building their over 100 new coal fired power stations on top of what they already have, just because we stop using coal?

    Please explain why it’s only western emissions that are a problem to the UN?

  89. egg_

    We have to put on shades to even open this site.

    Soyboy is projecting (bile) again.

  90. JC

    Let’s all go wind farming.

  91. Harken Now

    Dear Hark me! CL was the one who first brought up the “white Christian nations under seige” theory of climate change. That it passes here without comment by anyone else is itself a sign of the pallor of the readership: We suspect the only reason more here don’t endorse Pauline Hanson is due only to her lack of vocal eloquence. Her “migrants? I don’t like it” line lives here in strong spirit.

    Sorry to be the angel to point that out to Bruce.

    Is he busy writing his opus “Climate change disproved in 3 Easy Graphs?” for publication in Nature?

  92. JC

    All we’ve had from you, harken, is sanctimony, you smug little twerp.

    For Pauline Hansen, I give you the Landwhale

    Last name is ironically similar too.

  93. Bruce of Newcastle

    Hark – They ignore the cycle in HadCRUT, which I also graphed and you ignored.

    Which means you know exactly what I’m talking about.

    If you search ‘IPCC’ and ‘remove the blip’ you might also find in 0.5s the other reason why the IPCC doesn’t like to mention the cycle.

  94. JC

    Bruce, stop wasting your time with this NPC imbecile. He’s in a trance.

  95. JC

    We should all go wind farming.

  96. We assume that everyone who posts here is white?

    I’m sent into moderation, every time I try to tell you what I am.

  97. mh

    Delingpole: G20 ‘Kowtows’ to Trump – Avoids Climate Change

    A reported draft version of a communique being formulated by leaders of the G20 in advance of the 13th meeting of Group of Twenty to be held in Buenos Aires, Argentina, starting Friday, fails to back the 2015 Paris Climate Agreement and makes no mention of the publication of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change’s (IPCC) Special Report on Global Warming of 1.5°C which warned that “Limiting global warming to 1.5°C would require rapid, far-reaching and unprecedented changes in all aspects of society.”…

    https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2018/11/30/trump-forces-climate-change-off-the-menu-at-g20-summit/

    Further, the draft nods in the direction of those countries intent on defending their continued use of coal, saying that there are “varied” energy choices and “different possible national pathways.”

  98. Harken Now

    Haha hark! Incoherent, give us something it rhymes with: We like guessing games, such as “which Catallaxy contributor is embarrassing themselves the most?”

  99. egg_

    We assume that everyone who posts here is white?

    Just like the glint of the white (elephant) wind towers.

  100. Harken Now

    Angels quite like wind towers. We stand on them dramatically looking down on the Earth like in that Wings of Desire movie.

    We also see how far we can spit off them.

  101. C.L.

    Dear Hark me! CL was the one who first brought up the “white Christian nations under seige” theory of climate change.

    No, I pointed out that “climate change” and the global “migration” push are connected policies whose purpose is to end white Western nations precisely as white Western nations.

    It wasn’t a theory. It is a description of an undeniable reality.

    I also asked for scientific proof that Australia can reduce earth’s temperature.

    GO!

  102. struth

    Your ignorance and anti white racism is well known here, Harken Now.

    You again prove you can’t back yourself up and are just trolling with insults and a level of hate for your fellow man that we’ve come to know from the left.

    Although you do us a favour by showing lurkers your fact free arrogance and racist abuse when challenged, you are the same as every other deluded lefty that comes on to this blog.
    We gave you a chance to put up an argument.
    You can’t.
    Thanks for the demonstration, and further confirming for our readers the fuckwit racists we’re up against.

    But you’re boring.
    Bye.

  103. Tel

    Angels quite like wind towers.

    Some who were maintenance workers, are angels now.

    Surprising the unions haven’t shut the things down, but smoking Green preferences can get addictive.

  104. Tel

    We assume that everyone who posts here is white?

    I identify as a dark sail, on the horizon,
    Set under a black cloud that hides the sun.

  105. JC

    Can’t we just get along and do some wind farming. Wind is free people!

  106. 2dogs

    Today, the Climate Council says the Adani decision poses a “grave risk” to Australia.

    The ALP’s supporters continue to attack Adani, but you don’t hear a thing about the MacMines Chine Stone mine.

    Just some more evidence that the Chicoms have bought the ALP. Adani is too honest to pay the bribes.

  107. Harken Now

    HaHa Hark again: seems that struth would think it’s anti white racism to say something like “Gee those dudes carrying the torches at Charlottesville seem to all be white”. Demographics are demographics, I’m afraid.

    Obviously, Angels are pretty fond of white per se. Pale skinned people can be fine: climate science is surely dominated by then.

    But when Catallaxy’s own armchair Steve Bannon starts claiming it is “self evident” that nefarious Leftism (routinely called on this site without irony “pure evil” – yet this Angel is supposed to be the one who hates the humans ranting here ) are using a fake science to help change the Christian West into migration hell holes: his skin colour and that of those of you who stay silent seems relevant to the situation.

    Anyway, let us not get side tracked again from the meta point: my message from Above is that you are sadly clueless as to how you continually demonstrate that your ideology and pet theories and ridiculously over elevated self regard for being the real plucky, brainy ones who can see through what all those NASA, NOAA, university and Vatican scientists have concluded is the real reason you are into denialism.

  108. 2dogs

    The Marxists need global warming to be true – or at least, some threatening externality.

    There is no justification for their global governance proposals in the absence of such threats.

    They are desparate to get these global governance structures in place before the outcome in known.

    They speak of worst case scenarios. But for them, there is a secret dread that we will get the expected outcome (or better) without anything having been done, and their global governance structures in place.

  109. Tel

    Hence the call to “go meta”: to invite you people who cling to your conspiracies and views supported by a handful of contrarian climate science types to think to yourselves: how is it possible that the denialist points I think kill this science idea dead are not actually accepted by the vast majority of scientists, their professional bodies, religious bodies with science advisers, Communist nations, capitalist nations, nations somewhere in between, most media (except that with the same political ideology as mine), the military, and NASA?

    I missed this earlier.

    The “Angels” want us to think for ourselves by following argument from authority.

    Let me guess, “Ignorance is Strength” and also … “Nationalism is Treason” … am I right? Do I get a prize?

  110. Bruce of Newcastle

    The body count that the Left has racked up Hark extends into 9 digits. Possibly even 10.

    The global warming scam is adding daily to those numbers through pensioners dying in the cold and heat through the want of cheap fossil fuel energy, and the poor people murdered to allow palm oil plantations, and the biggest of all: food price inflation due to burning food in cars.

    Now they want to bind us all with the one ring of CAGW. A boot on a human face forever.

  111. I hate being a pedant but as one who is scientifically trained it goes with the territory. Steve the evidence for climate change is not flimsy. It is extremely robust. The evidence is really irrefutable.

    What is flimsy is the evidence that human activity is a significant driver of climate change.

  112. JC

    Peter

    What is even flimsier is that the models are predictable and they aren’t a scientific fraud. What is gob-smacking funnier still is gerbilers actually believe we can provide enough energy with solar and wind.

  113. egg_

    the evidence for climate change is not flimsy.

    Aren’t we 5-7 m from the last peak Interglacial sea level?
    Methinks, with hysteresis, the globe should begin cooling fairly soon on a Geological timescale?

  114. struth

    There’s a level of trust in government and bureaucracy that the left constantly show that is staggering in it’s naivety and gullibility.
    As we see again with Harken.
    No scientific argument he can actually make (what has he really learned) yet believes the propaganda pushed by those who’s actions debunk their own rhetoric.

    The UN do not believe in Man Made Climate Change.
    They may say they do, but their actions betray their talk.

    Here is the biggest , most undeniable fact that cannot be challenged.
    If the world was really in trouble with climate change, the UN would be screaming at China to stop building the over one hundred new coal fired power stations that it is.
    No, it’s Ok says the UN…………………………………..it’s their turn to pollute!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Something that would not be a consideration if their really was a looming catastrophe.

    Let’s face it, it’s only capitalist western countries who’s emissions are a concern to the UN.

    Now why would that be?

    Could it possibly be that the UN has been taken over by global socialists?
    The likes of the Secretary General, an out and proud leader of Socialist International, and the muslim world and varies totalitarian scum regimes?

    Not to the likes of Harken, who naively has been told by 24 year old pseudo scientists with invented titles that are completely reliant on government handouts, on the masses of bureaucrats that are living high on the hog because of this and who would be unemployable in the private sector, and all therefore desperate to keep pushing the narrative. (to the point of striking fear into the hearts of children) and those using it as the prime weapon to attack the west, billionaire global socialists like Soros,……………no he “believes”

    These are the dumb F..wits who probably haven’t lived long enough to have known other end of the world scares.

    It’s only the west who’s emissions the UN is concerned about, and it’s only the west’s borders being over run that concerns the UN.

    Funny about that.

    No sorry Harken , but I didn’t come down in the last shower of rain.
    You know, the rain that was never going to fall on the East coast again, according to Flannery, who by the way, was chief scientist regarding climate change, while never being of the climate sciences.

    What a dumb, racist sack of shit you are Harken.

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