Green Energy Markets in Fantasyland

Apparently you can make this stuff up.

Renewable generation installation has accelerated to such an extent it is on track to provide almost 80 per cent of the electricity market by 2030, according to research from consultancy Green Energy Markets.

Key points:
•Rooftop solar installations are up 76pc on this time last year
•By end of the year rooftop solar capacity will exceed that of the closed Hazelwood power station
•Renewable financing faces big challenges from the likely collapse of power prices.

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31 Responses to Green Energy Markets in Fantasyland

  1. struth

    It’s always 2030.
    Now why is that?

    How about cloudy days and nights?

    If Australians can’t see through this shit they deserve all they get.

  2. The only thing they never point out is the difference between ‘nameplate capacity and ‘capacity factor‘, the latter which represents the true ability to deliver electricity.

  3. BoyfromTottenham

    Bemused, they also never point out the huge RET subsidies paid to all renewables generators by domestic and small business consumers. Typically, a wind or solar farm gets a 100% subsidy! Take a look at their annual reports – e.g. Hepburn Wind. What a scam.

  4. RobK

    Renewable financing faces big challenges from the likely collapse of power prices.
    They really are dimwits.

  5. iamok

    The second dot point is a no brainer if Hazelwood is shut.

  6. Aussieute

    Given the total energy generated yesterday by wind and solar was <2% of that how many electric windmills and solar panels must Australians own and install before we prevent our first drought?
    All those brainwashed children in Victoria couldn't answer that question either, nor could their green teachers

  7. Rohan

    Typically, a wind or solar farm gets a 100% subsidy! Take a look at their annual reports – e.g. Hepburn Wind. What a scam.

    And if you look at their bottom line after scrapping the RET, assuming that the wholesale price remains around $80 mWh, then they’re borderline unviable as an ongoing business concern.

    Their gross proffit is 90% of their RET revenue. They in effect pay no net taxes. Tax hoovering rent seekers.

  8. John Constantine

    What if we collapse the toxic Nazi hatemonger regime that is western industrial civilisation and genocide all anglosphere culture and wipe the English language from the face of the earth ?.

    Then find out climate change wasn’t really a thing?.

    Isn’t any excuse to progress global and eternal Tyranny justified?.

    The Stalinist revolutionary cadres that are the wymynsys indoctrinated children of today are brainwashed into the groupthink that genocide of the Anglosphere is the only way to create a global workers paradise, any excuse will do.

    Royal commission into Australian education becoming a political indoctrination weapon for the death of all free living peoples, and failing to produce children with wisdom.

    “We teach them to live safely as communists, so communism can be safe for a thousand years”.

    The libs are about to be wiped from the face of the earth, so launching a handful of royal commissions as landmines for shorten is the way to go.

    Comrades

  9. yarpos

    “By end of the year rooftop solar capacity will exceed that of the closed Hazelwood power station”

    Are they just plain stupid or just lying and be deceptive? The comparison is apples and oranges. If they want to compare the two how many GWh are produced by bothe systems over a year.

    Capacity is not delivery. Solar might get somewhere near capacity for a few hours around lunchtime on an ideal day, but mostly it never reaches anything like capacity and total energy delivery is greatly reduced. Then there is that whole sunset thing. Meanwhile Hazelwood would spin 24×7 for 50 years.

  10. Bruce of Newcastle

    Their gross proffit is 90% of their RET revenue.

    Even that makes new build increasingly uneconomic because the wind and solar guys built on the best sites first. As more and more wind and solar farms get built they have to be on increasingly inferior sites. So the yield falls but the capital cost doesn’t.

    On the other hand they get subsidies for the capital cost too, so we taxpayers get both ends of our candles burned.

  11. John Constantine

    Royal commission into power prices.

    Would the billionaires donating to progress the genocide of western industrial civilisation allow a royal commission into why power prices are being used to topple western industry?.

    Comrades.

  12. H B Bear

    How long can they keep this up? It’s like living in a Kafkaesque nightmare.

  13. How long can they keep this up? It’s like living in a Kafkaesque nightmare.

    Until the whole scheme collapses in a few years time when constant blackouts become the norm and electricity become a luxury item rather than a necessity.

  14. Bruce

    H B
    “How long can they keep this up? It’s like living in a Kafkaesque nightmare.”

    Till sometime after the blood has congealed in the gutters. Once they have killed / imprisoned / exiled all the competent people to get to “Year Zero” (Mk 2+), it’s back to the stone-age for the survivors, at least until culturally confident “settlers / migrants” clean the place out thorough;y.

  15. Bear Necessities

    How long can they keep this up? It’s like living in a Kafkaesque nightmare.

    Until the whole scheme collapses in a few years time when constant blackouts become the norm and electricity become a luxury item rather than a necessity.

    That is what I think will need to happen as well. Also Qld and NSW withdrawing from the NEG will also force the issue as well. I can’t see Qld’ers sitting around and wanting to share power with states who are always in deficit like SA and Vic.

  16. Rusty of Qld

    Bemused:
    I have recently put in solar panels with plate capacity of 6.6Kwh. I’m on western side of Brisbane, so plenty of sun, panels face North.Best generation I’ve seen at any given time is a touch over 5000 watts this would be ideal conditions, blazing sun, temp 30C in the shade, funny thing is as it gets hotter the panels efficiency drops off!!! Cost 5 grand, I’m with Origin at present and they charge me 7 cents per day for their smart meter, how’s that for a nice little earner for them, cuts down their feed in tariff some what.

  17. Bruce of Newcastle

    I can’t see Qld’ers sitting around and wanting to share power with states who are always in deficit like SA and Vic.

    Me neither.

    Qld still aiming for 50% renewable power (Feb 2017)

    Premier Annastacia Palaszczuk has rejected suggestions Queensland could face similar blackouts to those experienced by South Australia in her government’s push to embrace renewable energy.

    With Queensland on track to have 50 per cent renewable energy by 2030, Opposition Leader Tim Nicholls says the state runs the risk of ending up in a similar situation.

    So Queensland has decided to fix that problem by having their very own blackouts!

  18. Tel

    I can’t see Qld’ers sitting around and wanting to share power with states who are always in deficit like SA and Vic.

    One more power plant closure and NSW will join the deficit list, then it will be Qld alone building the electrical equivalent to Trump’s border wall.

  19. Dr Faustus

    Renewables are, of course, now far cheaper than fossil fuel – except when they aren’t:

    As renewables — with their low cost base — make gas and black coal less competitive, pushing them out of National Electricity Market’s generation auction, prices received by generators will tumble and margins will be crushed.

    “That suggests very low power prices set by the marginal cost of black coal generators — roughly $35-to-$40 per megawatt hour —which are likely to be below the levels required to make a solar farm financially viable,” Mr Edis predicted.

    So, its those pesky “very low power prices” causing the need for subsidies!

    (Note: the short-term marginal cost of an operating coal fired power station is less than $15-$20/MWh. Until as recently as 2015 coal fired generation ran on long-run average wholesale prices less than $35/MWh – before shutting 3,000MW of NEM coal-fired capacity took its toll.)

  20. France’s gilets jaunes have shown us the way, closely followed by Belgium’s. Take to the streets in high vis and paralyse the eco-crats and eco-leeches! #Jesuisgiletjaune!

  21. NB

    ‘on track to provide almost 80 per cent of the electricity market by 2030’
    Laughable, but tragic. The only way this will be true is if, and when, we are all burning gum trees to stay warm in our caves and whirlies. Green heaven, in other words.

  22. Boambee John

    BoyfromTottenham
    #2876324, posted on December 1, 2018 at 6:43 am
    Bemused, they also never point out the huge RET subsidies paid to all renewables generators by domestic and small business consumers. Typically, a wind or solar farm gets a 100% subsidy! Take a look at their annual reports – e.g. Hepburn Wind. What a scam.

    Most renewable companies are subsidy farms with a sideline in electricity generation.

  23. LGS

    Currently solar panels and wind turbines provide a miserable 1.1% of the world’s power.
    And that’s with umpteen billion dollars of taxpayers’ money tossed at the green carpetbaggers!
    This is a scandal of epic proportions.

  24. RobK

    Most renewable companies are subsidy farms with a sideline in electricity generation.
    …..that requires large enabling headworks expenditure and oversight, the cost of which is to be found over and above the subsidies in order to setup the grid for technology in storage yet to be developed. The cost of that is yet to be found too.

  25. …we are all burning gum trees to stay warm in our caves and whirlies. Green heaven, in other words.

    We have to do that already and the Greens want to stop everyone from using wood fired heating.

  26. struth

    This is why I never bought solar panels.

    I looked at Australia and figured that the only reason we aren’t a third world shit hole now, is due to resources and cheap power.
    Our work ethic has been destroyed by [email protected] and IR are shit, so the only thing keeping enough industry here to keep us from Becoming Venezuela, was cheap power.

    No good having a solar panel on your roof and no job to feed yourself with.

    Either we power up for industry, by burning coal or going nuclear, or we could put solar panels on every house in Australia and it will mean, and do, diddlysquat.

  27. Bruce

    Rusty:

    “… funny thing is as it gets hotter the panels efficiency drops off!!! ”

    Electronics ALL work better when kept cool, hence heat-sinks and cooling fans on serious gear like power amplifiers and video projectors, etc.

    How long do you thonk your PC would last without serious cooling?

    If the panels are covered by “plastic (probably polycarbonate) instead of heavier and more-expensive toughened GLASS sheets, the UV that actually livens up the photovoltaic cells will be severly restricted.

    Furthermore, unless your inverter can produce a PURE sinewave at a steady 230V @ 50Hz, lots of motors in fridges, vacuum-cleaners, food-processors etc.may take up smoking. As for current, a total inverter output capacity less than ten amps is just a joke. 10A at 230V gives you a whole 2300VA ( or, crudely, Watts).

    However, to to get that dinky amount of AC wallop, your battery bank needs to be able to deliver AT LEAST 3000Watts of CONSTANT DC to the inverter, to allow for the inefficiencies in the system. How that works depends on the required input voltage of the inverter. If your battery bank is nominally 24VDC, to deliver 3000 Watts, it needs to be able to produce a STEADY 130 Amps. to do this you need SERIOUS cablng. The higher the DC voltage the less current needed by the inverter and the lighter the cabloing. Hence “special batteries and special interconnection / array set-up.

    NONE of this is rocket surgery, but t”he dodgy telemarketers from Mumbai who are massively bombarding the unsuspecting Australian public with messages about “government rebates”at the moment, don’t know and don’t care about the reality.

    These special batteries do NOT last forever, just like the “lead-sled” under a Toyota Pious.

    The panels need to be kept clean (dust from roads and agricultural / environmental sources, salt if you are within 15 Km of the ocean) and regularly inspected for corrosion and structural damage. Doing these things on a big photovoltaic rig, two stories off the ground, adds an extra “thrill” to the entire caper.

    The best systems I have seen are on farm blocks and have 40 to 60 Kw of panels, mounted in banks on top of steel posts in an appropriately aligned and sunny paddock. This enables cleaning and inspection by driving around in the farm ute with a bucket and mop. High enough to keep the livestock in the paddock from being “zapped” or damaging the panels, and low enough to be cleaned and inspected. Heavy underground cables back to the “shed”. This structure should NEVER be one shared by vehicles and machinery, or located in a flood zone, unlike quite a few that went under in the Lockyer Valley floods a while back. A couple of days of high DC voltages in water laced with leaking battery acid makes a nasty mess of your basic corrugated iron shed.

  28. Tel

    We have to do that already and the Greens want to stop everyone from using wood fired heating.

    The Greens love fires but only when it all burns on the same day, because natural!!

  29. Dr Fred Lenin

    A few major blackouts in the 40c heat in Melbourne and Sydney will put the “careers “of the political muppets in dire danger, then it will be “stuff the climate scam. What about my “career” . The prospect of unemployment to these maggots is horrific I mean who would employ them in a real industry .
    The French and Belgian ,probably Waloons , uprisings are indicitive of the fall of globalist fascism just like the disintegration of their beloved Soviet Union , the people took no notice onf the comrades toward the end ,and the organs of repression were afraid to carry out their orders they could see the writing on the wall and wouldnt risk their lives for the Careers “of the comrades .
    Patience my fellow Citizens ,change is coming.

  30. duncanm

    Speaking of disruptive — the SA power price is currently $ -149 . Yes, thats MINUS $149/MWh

    Forecast later this arvo is -$1000/MWh.
    I guess that bidding is working out well.

    https://www.aemo.com.au/Electricity/National-Electricity-Market-NEM/Data-dashboard#price-demand

  31. Dr Fred Lenin

    Take no notice of graphs they can be made to say anything ,all thats needed is a bit of imagination and no compuction about telling lies.

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