Open Forum: December 1, 2018

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  1. JC

    Aref

    The ads are basically the same. It’s an older couple either jogging or strolling on a beach with big happy smiles… and the requisite silver hair.

    Stop using “Mexodrill” if you begin to vomit blood by the gallon, or urine or stools are brightly colored red.

  2. JC

    Mexodrill may cause stroke or stroke like symptoms. We advise to stop using Mexodrill, if you lose the use of half your body or limbs.

  3. Bruce in WA

    I bought a really nice bottle of single malt from a pharmacy in NYC.

  4. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Thanks, Classical Hero. Both true. 🙂

    Soulmates are like that.

  5. Fisky

    The opiod crisis is mostly affecting white proles, so the Left don’t give a shit about it.

  6. areff

    JC, this will bring back memories. OK on Manhattan Cable. Wouldn’t fly on Foxtel.

    Tell us what you think, AL

  7. Bruce in WA

    My chemist mate was telling me about a warning on Viagra or Cialis along the lines of, “If your erection persists for more than 24 hours, seek medical advice”.

    I’d be taking photos and putting them on Facebook if mine lasted more than 24 bloody minutes!

  8. JC

    Has there ever been a prez since , like forever, who gloms all the news like this one?

  9. Steve trickler.

    The end of daylight hours and bodily functions will come into play.



  10. JC

    Areff

    How could I possibly forget. Channel 31, Friday nights. It would always turn into an argument, with wifey talking down to me about I could possibly watch Al on Friday nights.

    Remember the “Fuck You” segment?

  11. jupes

    Dad story.

    This is about me as a dad. The young fella was over today and told me I was so strict I wouldn’t let him watch M rated movies when he was 15. I told him that was bullshit. When he was 13 we watched every movie of the Dirty Harry catalogue in chronological order.

    One of the highlights of my parenting career …

  12. Bruce in WA

    Nice. Edie Brickell now AKA Mrs Paul Simon.

  13. Top Ender

    $30k for the average funeral JC???

    Jeez, what a rip-off.

    I read an article a while back about weddings.

    Basically said whatever you asked for was 200% more than normal.

    You’d be better off saying you were organising a BBQ and wanted a bouquet for the organiser.

  14. areff

    The Camera World blast above is typical of the FUs.

    If I recall, the feds got him for tax evasion and he died in the basement of the Second Ave deli, whose owner gave him a roof.

  15. JC

    In a “fuck you” segment Al predicted Donald Trump has a small penis….. in the mid 80s! How about that!

  16. JC

    $30k for the average funeral JC???

    No, that includes the box.

  17. Bruce in WA

    Not the world’s best video, but watch and listen and marvel at the lead female singer’s breath control! She is amazing.

  18. Siltstone

    That settles it, I am not going to the Hotel Carlyle

  19. zyconoclast

    Wolverine is gay…oh no!

  20. areff

    I’m getting all nostalgic.

  21. Steve trickler.

    The streets of inner Paris are intensifying.

  22. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    I’m punishing the Scotch, I know, and reading a very good book, about Ned Kelly and his gang, written by the great grandson of one of the Victorian police officers, murdered by the Kelly Gang, at Stringybark Creek.

    Victorian Police in those days, received no weapons training, had to pay for their own ammunition, and borrow weapons from the citizenry, to do their job. They caught the Kelly gang, and the ringleader, Ned Kelly, himself was hanged.

    Fatty Ashton’s minions appear curiously unable to do their job, where it would seem they enjoy all the advantages of technology and that all modern police methods have to offer?

  23. Infidel Tiger

    #2876903, posted on December 2, 2018 at 12:18 am
    Al “fuck you’s” The Carlisle Hotel.

    America was once truly the greatest place on earth.

    That is superb.

  24. Mark A

    zyconoclast
    #2876911, posted on December 2, 2018 at 12:58 am

    An Egyptian actress is facing trial next month charged with public obscenity after she attended the closing ceremony of a film festival in Cairo wearing a see-through embroidered gauze dress that revealed the entirety of her legs.

    The dress

    All in context zyco.

    In a burka culture, that is virtually naked.
    Even in OZ the bathing burkini covers from head to toe.

    Having said that, she looks nice.

  25. DrBeauGan

    An Egyptian actress is facing trial next month charged with public obscenity after she attended the closing ceremony of a film festival in Cairo wearing a see-through embroidered gauze dress that revealed the entirety of her legs.

    She’s a sinful wench. You can see her knees.

  26. Steve trickler.

    No buildings on fire. Mo, is yet to be involved.

  27. JC

    Another prominent leftwinger and feted Q&A panelist falls over. They sure can pick them. At the rate the ABC/Q&A is going we’ll be asking, who on their panels isn’t a sexual predator.

    At least three women have come forward to accuse the astrophysicist and television host of inappropriate sexual advances, including one who says she was raped by him. A joint statement from Fox and National Geographic says the networks have “only just become aware” of the allegations against deGrasse Tyson.

  28. 2dogs

    who on their panels isn’t a sexual predator

    I’m waiting for the #metoo allegations against George Soros. Then my 2018 will be complete.

  29. Steve trickler.

    Nice work.

    Truth be told, i’m a Tangerine Dream virgin. All new to the ears.



  30. Steve trickler.

    Father and son.

    Raw emotion.



  31. who on their panels isn’t a sexual predator

    I give up. Who?
    Someone please answer the question.

  32. Steve trickler.

    Good fun and goodnight.



  33. espn headline:

    India advertise for new women’s head coach.

    I guess they need a coach because they don’t have ALP youth camps in India.

  34. johanna

    The world chess championship has been won (again) by Norwegian Magnus Carlsen. He defeated American Fabiano Caruana after a gruelling battle where they drew 12 times.

    What an unlikely combination of ethnicities! Time was when chess masters were mostly Russian, Jooish or both. Now we have a Viking vs a Mexican.

    It says something about the decline of Russia, where everybody played chess 50 years ago. I dare say they are all too busy on Instagram or something nowadays.

    I dunno what happened to the Joos.

  35. Zatara

    Caruana was born in Miami and is an American of Italian heritage.

    He became a chess grandmaster at the age of 14 years, 11 months and 20 days.

  36. johanna

    Zatara, thanks for the correction.

    Still, the world of chess has changed a lot since the days of Bobby Fischer vs The Russkies!

  37. zyconoclast

    In a burka culture, that is virtually naked.
    Even in OZ the bathing burkini covers from head to toe.

    Having said that, she looks nice.

    The belly dancers in Egypt do not perform in burkinis or burkas

  38. vr

    Now we have a Viking vs a Mexican.

    Caruano is Italian-American. An chess is from India.

  39. johanna

    Hey calli, know anything about African Violets? Mine need repotting, but I don’t want to buy an expensive bag of special potting mix just for one plant.

    Do you know if a good quality general potting mix is OK?

    I paid a bit over the odds for this plant, because the flowers are superb (they have a fringed edge which is white) and it has performed well. But, it clearly needs more room to grow.

    Any advice?

  40. Entropy

    zyconoclast
    #2876929, posted on December 2, 2018 at 7:06 am
    In a burka culture, that is virtually naked.
    Even in OZ the bathing burkini covers from head to toe.

    Having said that, she looks nice.

    The belly dancers in Egypt do not perform in burkinis or burkas

    Well, sure. But that dress is an offence against good taste regardless.

  41. calli

    All I know is that the potting mix needs to drain easily and not compact.

    They die if they get soggy, like cyclamens. Most good quality potting mixes fit the bill (they don’t contain actual “dirt”, just sharp sand, bark chips and compost and sometimes prills of fertiliser), you just have to be really mean on the watering. And don’t water the crown or let them sit in a dish of water.

  42. egg_

    One thing I always notice in the US is that every second ad on TV is for meds.

    The other ads are all for fast food or lawyers.

    Recall reading the Reader’s Digest in the Doctors Surgery as a kid – full of ads for denture cleaner and hemorrhoid cream – input and output – just the place for such a book.

  43. zyconoclast

    Well, sure. But that dress is an offence against good taste regardless.

    So these jeans would also be no good?

  44. Shy Ted

    Why aren’t straight women having as many orgasms as men? All mine are. And more. Just saying.

  45. Entropy

    Eeeerre. Jeans. Eeerreer.

    Yeah nah. Impractical.

  46. egg_

    Another prominent leftwinger and feted Q&A panelist falls over. They sure can pick them. At the rate the ABC/Q&A is going we’ll be asking, who on their panels isn’t a sexual predator.

    Preening narcs fronting the meeja, simples.

  47. stackja

    Australia’s cerebral palsy rate drops almost 30 per cent
    The number of Australian children with cerebral palsy, the most common physical disability in the world, is on the decline. One in 700 children is born with cerebral palsy today compared to 1 in 500 a decade ago, a drop of almost 30 per cent. Cerebral Palsy Alliance chair Professor Nadia Badawi has told Sky News that doctors have seen survivability ‘go up’ and disability ‘go down’ due to quality healthcare and novel risk mitigation strategies.

    Amniocentesis?

  48. johanna

    Thanks calli. I’ll take a punt with the premium potting mix.

    And yeah, I never water them until they are dry as dust. Tough love is best for African Violets.

  49. zyconoclast

    The problem is if you’re going to enforce statutes, you have to enforce them fairly and evenly. The law has to apply to everyone. Otherwise, it’s not really the law. It’s a political weapon.

    Michael Cohen is facing five years in prison for telling Congress something that he knew was false. How often does that happen in Washington? If you watch C-SPAN, you know the answer. Constantly, all the time.

    There are almost never consequences, by the way. According to one study, between the Second World War and 2007, a total of only six people were convicted of lying to Congress, six people in 60 years. In other words, the law is not enforced. And that’s why people break it so often.

  50. bespoke

    JC, We payed $4000 cash including cremation for my sons funeral. I suspect it would have been a lot more for the same thing if it was insurance money. 50 people max at the service and told anybody that didn’t have much interest in him when he was alive to stay away. I also insisted that my oversees family don’t waist there money and stay home. Afterwards the closest to him went and had a beers at to pub. As for me all I want is for them to skip the service and go to the pub, 10 people including two of my real friends.

  51. zyconoclast

    Speaking to a panel on gender equality at the G-20 summit in Buenos Aires, Argentina, Canadian Prime Minister Justine Trudeau expressed his deep concern about the “impacts” of male construction workers on the female population.

    He also said, “Women entrepreneurs tend to make better choices than others — something we’ve seen in study after study.” The “others” refer to men.

    Trudeau was telling the G-20 Business Leaders’ Task Force how his government utilizes something called a “gender lens” to ensure equality of the sexes underlies all planning because “every government decision can have an impact on women in a positive or negative way.”

  52. stackja

    Paris a battle zone as protests escalate
    Leigh Thomas and Thierry Chiarello, Reuters
    an hour ago

    French President Emmanuel Macron, in Argentina for a G20 summit, cancelled a planned visit to Poland on Monday for a climate change summit.

    He said he would convene ministers to discuss the crisis upon his return to France on Sunday.

    The mayor of Paris’ 8th district Jeanne d’Hauteserre said: “We are in a state of insurrection, I’ve never seen anything like it”.

  53. egg_

    Facing Sexual Harassment Allegations, Physicist Lawrence Krauss Will Not Appear At Several Events

    Another meeja narc nerd Q&A luminary.
    How’s Raj Pachauri faring?

  54. egg_

    Paris a battle zone as protests escalate

    Let them eat cake.

  55. Peter Campion

    Dumb and Dumber on Sky News…

    David Speers interviewing Phil Coorey.

  56. lotocoti

    How Ya Gonna Keep ’em Down on the Farm
    After They’ve Seen Paree?

  57. bespoke

    I have no time for violent protesters.

  58. John Constantine

    Imagine Australian streets once the dogbox apartment debtfunded millionaires go into negative equity all at once.

    The taxi plates dropping to half value triggered diversity riots that got government payouts.

    Wait for the diversity riots in yarragrad demanding the State buy the worthless dogbox apartments.

  59. calli

    Those are not jeans, they are seams with cuffs. Gives a whole new meaning to “run and fell”.

    You run and the backside falls out.

  60. calli

    Justine Trudeau.

    Chuckle.

  61. C.L.

    The ABC finds an ‘expert’ to condemn John Chau:

    Christians who won’t take no for an answer — touched by God or ‘white saviour complex’?

    Liza Ryan knows murdered Christian missionary John Chau. Not the person — the type.

    So she doesn’t know anything about Chau by her own admission. Plus, she admits to being a racist. Not the man but the type.

    “Often very young men, typically white, though John Chau is mixed, that tend to be adventurous and [seek] anything that can involve war or missions — it attracts guys that really want to be out there and do something,” she says.

    So Chau was not white.

    White saviour complex is a term which originates from English writer Rudyard Kipling’s poem The White Man’s Burden about saving dark skinned people from themselves through the superiority of Western culture.

    I could have sworn white cultures were under siege everywhere at the moment by dark-skinned people desperate to enjoy the superiority of Western culture. White man’s burden indeed.

    There is a stark contrast between professional missionaries who enter countries legally, undergo training in language and cultural sensitivity and those who just turn up with a bible and their love for Jesus, says Peter Rodgers the international director of the Church Missionary Society of Australia.

    “Every worker [we employ] needs a valid visa to do that work, and to do the work that visa allows and [they need to be] welcomed into the country,” he tells the ABC.

    Foreigners should enter countries legally? Interesting idea!

    For professional missionaries like Peter Rodgers it is a tragic story, but not one that is representative of missionary work in his experience.

    “He was a courageous man — what can I say, but we would not work that way.”

    “Gone are the days of going in from the west with Western ways and Western money.”

    Non-westerners don’t want Western ways or Western money?
    Excellent: Australia should cease funding the UN immediately.

  62. Mater

    How Ya Gonna Keep ’em Down on the Farm
    After They’ve Seen Paree?

    Two telling tweets from that feed which should be noted by governments everywhere.

    The Lunatic Comedian
    @ArpitMittal108
    ·
    35m
    “The forgotten 50%”, what frighteningly fascinating situation in France, When the politicians just focus on the top and the bottom 25% and break the back of the middle. With the media too completely forgetting about the issues of half the citizens. #GiletsJaunes

    psm
    @foundfoundetc
    ·
    1h
    in france the well-to-do tell the working-classes “because we are moral, we shall impoverish you to save the planet from the effects of chinese and indian pollution”.

  63. John Constantine

    Ran into a second cousin twice removed by marriage in the local supermarket on the weekend.

    She took a package as her work restructured, and has come back to the rural village for the cheap housing and amenity.

    Like another distant relative couple just had their local housewarming, the gentle wave of city lefties fleeing the outcomes of city lefty policy is arriving.

    Still vote left in all elections, and would never openly link their votes to the way their old suburbs have become optically military age minority among the people occupying the amenity of the public spaces.

  64. C.L.

    … Justine Trudeau expressed his deep concern about the “impacts” of male construction workers on the female population.

    Especially the “impact” of every single home females live in.

  65. Boambee John

    The Lunatic Comedian
    @ArpitMittal108
    ·
    35m
    “The forgotten 50%”, what frighteningly fascinating situation in France, When the politicians just focus on the top and the bottom 25% and break the back of the middle. With the media too completely forgetting about the issues of half the citizens. #GiletsJaunes

    It isn’t the forgotten 50%. More like 70%, the focus is on the top 10% and the bottom 20%. Particularly the top 10, the bottom 20 are just the excuses politicians use to look after themselves.

  66. C.L.

    Royal wedding latest:

    Almost newlyweds! Today’s Karl Stefanovic and bride-to-be Jasmine Yarbrough pick up their wedding rings ahead of their extravagant Mexico nuptials.

    Fatso Karl must have taken an hour to jump and wiggle into those jeans – paired, as usual, with a shirt opened to the fourth or fifth button.

  67. bespoke

    it attracts guys that really want to be out there and do something,” she says.

    As opposed to bureaucracies that spend bullions and achieve little.

  68. Roger

    Focus groups reveal Australians are fed up with the impact of mass immigration on their quality of life.

    So Morrison blames the states for poor planning.

    Who controls the tap?

  69. Roger

    [Trudeau] said, “Women entrepreneurs tend to make better choices than others — something we’ve seen in study after study.” The “others” refer to men.

    Trudeau was telling the G-20 Business Leaders’ Task Force how his government utilizes something called a “gender lens” to ensure equality of the sexes

    If study after study indicates women are better entrepreneurs than men, isn’t it the men who need the affirmative action?

  70. C.L.

    There are no such ‘studies.’

  71. stackja

    Up to 100 youths involved in St Kilda foreshore fracas
    Selby Stewart, Sunday Herald Sun
    December 2, 2018 12:41am
    Subscriber only

    Violence erupted again in St Kilda overnight after up to 100 youths gathered near the foreshore.

    The huge group, of mainly African appearance, gathered next to Donovans restaurant on Beach Rd before the chaos began about 11.30pm last night.

  72. Roger

    The huge group, of mainly African appearance, gathered next to Donovans restaurant

    Irish backpackers in blackface?

  73. Nick

    Royal wedding latest:

    Almost newlyweds! Today’s Karl Stefanovic and bride-to-be Jasmine Yarbrough pick up their wedding rings ahead of their extravagant Mexico nuptials.

    Fatso Karl must have taken an hour to jump and wiggle into those jeans – paired, as usual, with a shirt opened to the fourth or fifth button.

    A fair bit of research done there C.L

  74. Roger

    There are no such ‘studies.’

    Tongue firmly planted in cheek, C.L…

  75. John Constantine

    The population tap is controlled by the donor class of billionaire traders and developers that have used identity politics to get their owned creatures on their payroll and occupying politics.

    Their turnbullites extra million people on visas was a masterstroke, allowing the media circus of stopping the boats, while cranking up the airlifts to fill the cities with consumption machines that will vote for the One Party State policies to tax western industrial civilisation to generate the money to pay for the overthrow of western industrial civilisation. [ minus the commission for the good and great on the way through]

    The visa problem will be solved by shorten appointing a State department to assess each ‘dreamer’ for permanent voting and family reunion equality. Staffed by big australia Stalinists.

  76. Caveman

    So from those pics Karl is marrying Nic the jeweller.

  77. Baldrick

    So Morrison blames the states for poor planning.

    SloMo lining up others as being to reason for disquiet on mass immigration?
    Hypocrite!

    “The real issue here is that when wages are flat and when people are feeling the pinch, people will line others up as being the reason (for migrant problems),” Mr Morrison said.
    February 2018

  78. Roger

    The real issue here is that when wages are flat and when people are feeling the pinch, people will line others up as being the reason (for migrant problems),” Mr Morrison said.

    So the real issue is that Australians are xenophobes?

    Morrison is irredeemably stupid.

  79. Peter Castieau

    Katherine Murphy is wearing a space blanket on the couch! Lol

  80. Shy Ted

    Tito shines again in Week in Pictures comments. Tee hee.

  81. John Constantine

    Once any discussion on the sustainability of mass millions of the worlds poorest people being imported as an economic stimulus, to buy houses in the worlds most overpriced market becomes ruled by australias unswerving compliance with united nations conventions on the rights of commos, the state paramilitary death squads will have true open season.

    Listening to the relief in rural flight peoples voices when they talk about being in a place like australia used to be before the two towers went down is interesting, but noticeable that they feel obliged to break their conversations every so often to declare how much they hate Trump and love hussein obama and waleed and usman.

    Like people already accept that unsound speech is unofficially punished and will be officially punished soon enough.

    The first rule of their shorten reich is that you can never talk about the shortcomings of the shorten reich.

    The billionaire developers puppet, stabby mcstabbyface bishop will have enough liberal upperhouse votes swinging to be able to support the shorten looting cartel in a bipartisan one party state approach to ramming paris and the end of western industrial civilisation through the next parliment.

    Comrades.

  82. Peter Castieau

    Liars grub DiNatalie deserved to be thrown out of senate last week, but that was wrong according to the couch!

  83. Shy Ted

    Katherine Murphy is wearing a space blanket on the couch! Lol Had to have a look. It’s Lady Bla Bla.

  84. min

    Just seen a video put out by Andrews to Box Hill Chinese Constituents telling the Liberals would stop Chinese coming to Australia .not sure if RoberClarke held his seat.

  85. Tom

    Lady Bla Bla

    Very good, Shy Ted.

    Now to the elephants in the room: the fact that Their Left is full of ugly fat chicks.

  86. Roger

    Just seen a video put out by Andrews to Box Hill Chinese Constituents telling the Liberals would stop Chinese coming to Australia.

    Whatever it takes.

  87. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Just seen a video put out by Andrews to Box Hill Chinese Constituents telling the Liberals would stop Chinese coming to Australia.

    Authorized by one S. Rae. Can he/she be held to account in any way?

  88. H B Bear

    The Liars have always manipulated the ethnics. So malleable.

  89. Peter Castieau

    The couch all agree that children wagging school to protest climate change is perfectly OK

  90. Snoopy

    Gab.ai

    Gab.com operates according to one principal rule: if speech is allowed under the First Amendment of the U.S. Constitution and our User Guidelines, it is allowed on our site. This is because, per Sir Stephen Sedley in the seminal English free speech case DPP v. Redmond-Bate, “freedom only to speak inoffensively is not worth having.”

    We are proud to have recently met our fundraising goal of $1.07m raised directly from The People. We have made considerable progress this month making Gab the home of free speech, free association, and the free market online. This includes an update to our mute system that gives more control to individual users to shape their own experience. Unfortunately we still have not been able to get a new payment processor, although we are accepting checks to our PO Box and will be integrating bitcoin as a payment option shortly.

    Donny, double the taxes on payment processors. They love socialism.

  91. Elle

    Katherine Murphy is wearing a space blanket on the couch! Lol

    Quite hideous isn’t it. Her shoes are matching.

    I haven’t watched Insiders for a few weeks. I note the couch now has two females and one male. Why did they change? Haven’t they always been about gender balance? Hmmm. It seems not! Hypocrites!

    PS. Bring back Piers Akerman on the couch.

  92. H B Bear

    The only place you find consensus on political action in the world today is an ALPBC discussion panel.

  93. Snoopy

    Oops! Italics fail. Last paragraph is mine.

  94. bespoke

    The UN defenders are happy to ignore convention when it comes to child exploitation.

  95. candy

    … Justine Trudeau expressed his deep concern about the “impacts” of male construction workers on the female population.

    All this nonsense is to ensure he gets the female vote and hence stay in power. Same with Dan Andrews and Bill Shorten. I don’t think any of these wives have jobs but are just “strong proud” women, and probably have live-in nannies etc. Their lifestyles are due to the gullibility of voters. I think Mrs Andrews ran over a cyclist too and was not breath tested and never contacted the injured lad’s family.

    The Andrews family is Labor royalty. I wonder if the bubble will burst.

  96. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Comment in moderation – the Daily Mail is reporting that someone, dubbed the “Hot chocolate rOpist” has been found dead, in gaol, of an overdose, with his head jammed down the dunny bowl.

    What goes around…

  97. Frank

    There are no such ‘studies.’

    But, there are unfortunately. The sort of science done by such luminaries of the scientific method as Tod Sampson et al. The sort where someone asks people how they feel about something on a scale of one to seven, the results get tabulated and onsold to the terminally credulous as ‘science’ and or ‘research’. Indistinguishable from X-ray crystallography really.

  98. Leigh Lowe

    … Justine Trudeau expressed his deep concern about the “impacts” of male construction workers on the female population.

    Was he wearing his gaucho pants and poncho at the G20 in Brazil?

  99. Mark A

    zyconoclast
    #2876929, posted on December 2, 2018 at 7:06 am

    In a burka culture, that is virtually naked.
    Even in OZ the bathing burkini covers from head to toe.

    Having said that, she looks nice.

    The belly dancers in Egypt do not perform in burkinis or burkas

    Must have missed the belly dancing bit, my apologies.

  100. mh

    Straight women are not having near as many 0rgasms as men or l3sbian women. It’s time to close the “0rgasm gap”.

    No more fat to cut at their ABC.

  101. bespoke

    I don’t think these people realize at some point there war against maternal/paternal instinct they will no longer be able to hide behind kids.

  102. I wonder if the bubble will burst.

    Nope.
    Find me the unbent members of vicpol and judiciary that will burst it.

    Can’t find any?
    I’m shocked.

  103. Bill Thompson

    Outside Insiders – Penny Wong was in Sydney today so I didn’t get to ask her the burning question…

    https://youtu.be/ttdK1pjZst4

  104. H B Bear

    No more fat to cut at their ABC.

    From the ALPBC lady pages aka Aunty’s pink bits?

  105. C.L.

    From Joe “Frankly” Hildebrand’s latest (linked above):

    Just as it is both painful and pointless for the left to preach piously about climate change when miners and steelworkers are worried about losing their jobs, if more workers are secure and well-paid in their employment then efforts to tackle climate change can no longer be used as a bogeyman by the right. And if people can get to work and home to their families on decent roads and rails, then they’re not going to be worried about immigration. This means governments on both sides can bring in the people they need to fill skills shortages and pay taxes to pay for our hospitals, schools and pensioners.

    “Climate change” is a painful and pointless load of nonsense but, then again, it’s also a “bogeyman.”
    And if voters have nice trains, they won’t worry about African Muslims invading their homes at 3am.
    This used to be called “bread and circuses.”
    What Hildebrand doesn’t get is that the so-called “middle” is now the left. Inviting the Liberal Party to be slightly to the left of the far left still leaves it as leftist. What the country needs is a right-wing correction of years and years of left-wing extremism. That takes courage, perseverance and energetic case-making on the hustings.

  106. cohenite

    Avi Yemini interviews some of the adults (sic) at the children’s anti-climate change protest in Melbourne; the first fuckwit who announces he is a scientist and really, really knows what he is talking about is rendered speechless by Avi; what a hoot:

    https://www.facebook.com/AviYeminiOfficial/videos/vb.603104730091677/2516156131760252/?type=2&theater

  107. C.L.

    A fair bit of research done there C.L

    Que?

  108. C.L.

    Embittered, nasty sociopath Kevin Rudd lionises George H.W. Bush:

    Former prime minister Kevin Rudd said Bush’s death “reminds us deeply of an earlier age of decency in US presidential politics.”

    Always amusing to see this old standard in the wild: a former Republican president was wonderful – unlike the current one. In fact, the left hated Bush Sr when he was in power.

  109. John Constantine

    https://www.canberratimes.com.au/business/companies/cctv-cameras-chinese-spies-and-an-unusual-delegation-20181130-p50jd7.html

    “But the insider was still sufficiently worried about the incident to have recently contacted The Age and Herald to express his concerns about the visit and the likelihood that it was not benign. If data mining did occur, as the insider believes, it could have hoovered up much of the firm’s pre-takeover information, including data which may not have survived beyond the corporate transition.”

    The Tyrant of all the chicoms has his peoples liberation army grab a huge australian security surveillance company, then the peoples liberation army march in before the official takeover and loot all the data, including the data that clients may well not have approved of being sold to the chicoms.

    Getting people to vote and act the right way must be a bit simpler if you have constant video footage of all their weaknesses.

    Comrade Maaaaates.

  110. John Constantine

    How many security and surveillance robots does the Tyrant for life of all the chicoms own and control in Australia?.

    Having a foreign Tyranny own our australian security and surveillance network eternally monitoring the proles is our Strength.

    Bought and paid for.

    [the Tyrant can actually take all the stuff of value from this deal home with him.]

    Comrade Maaaaates.

  111. Death Giraffe

    The left have forgotten that Bush was a globalist fascist who went to war for oil?

    I miss the old left, who said they hated war, globalism, the lying media whores and crony capitalism.

  112. Confused Old Misfit

    cohenite
    #2877018, posted on December 2, 2018 at 10:33 am

    The hold that the heresy of CAGW has on the establishment is terrifying.

  113. Tom

    Former prime minister Kevin Rudd said Bush’s death “reminds us deeply of an earlier age of decency in US presidential politics.”

    Anyone who thinks that such an inconsequential little shit doesn’t have Trump Derangement Syndrome is almost as deluded as Joe Hildebrand.

  114. Rae

    … Justin Trudeau expressed his deep concern about the “impacts” of male construction workers on the female population.

    Was he wearing his gaucho pants and poncho at the G20 in Brazil?

    Hard to say. He was at the one in Buenos Aires. In Argentina.

  115. notafan

    I’m staying in the eighth at the end of January hopefully Macron will withdraw his horrendous new law by then.

    Cos it’s all about me

  116. John Constantine

    “Recent indictments filed in US courts show the increasing sophistication of these operations and how they usually involve exploiting both human and technological openings.
    Related Article
    How China diverts, then spies on Australia’s internet traffic
    Security
    How China diverts, then spies on Australia’s internet traffic

    China’s intelligence gathering in this area has largely fallen to the Ministry of State Security and, since 2010, foreign intelligence services have begun to recognise the agency as the leading edge in China’s campaign to rapidly upgrade its economy through the theft of intellectual property.

    It was the MSS, for example, which led the smash-and-grab raid on Rio Tinto’s Shanghai office in 2010 according to state media reports, seizing laptops and hard drives, and at the same time arresting the company’s head of iron ore trading Stern Hu for corruption.

    It then used the seized equipment to infiltrate Rio’s computer networks in Singapore and Perth to such a degree that the networks needed to be taken offline, the ABC’s 4 Corners program reported in 2010.”

    Lucky that their andrews Nazgul regime can sign a secret one belt one road one way deal with the Tyrant and still win the election, with the Tyrants diaspora delivering key votes in key seats.
    Anybody doubt that if the Tyrant discovers anything juicy from his australian spies/diaspora/robot cameras that can lock in the andrews quisling sellout regime, that victorian labor will not ‘obtain’ it?.

  117. Myrddin Seren

    The forgotten 50%”, what frighteningly fascinating situation in France, When the politicians just focus on the top and the bottom 25% and break the back of the middle. With the media too completely forgetting about the issues of half the citizens.

    This is why Macron is pushing urgently for an EU ‘European’ Army.

    If the French security forces get squeamish about shooting anti-government protesters, Macron needs Merkel to send in the Prussian attack columns to restore globalism with bullet and bayonet under the cover of the EU.

  118. notafan

    Read the comments about the fire.

    It was just another French carbq

  119. John Constantine

    Developing the chicoms by looting the West.

    Deliberate policy.

    “ddition internet traffic heading for Australia was diverted via the mainland over a six day period last year, in what some experts believe was an attempt to steal data.’

    Australia has largely stayed silent on what one intelligence official called a “a constant, significant effort to steal our intellectual property”, due to fears of sabotaging the $116 billion trade relationship with Beijing.

    In contrast, the US, which is far less dependant on Chinese trade and has much more leverage over Beijing than Australia, has been far less restrained. A former director of the National Security Agency, Keith Alexander, has described the Chinese cyber campaign as the “greatest transfer of wealth in history”.

    The current Assistant Attorney General for National Security, John Demmers, said the theft of intellectual property was “part of an overall economic policy of developing China at American expense.”

    We have reached the stage now in australia where if you tell schoolkids that the political push to overthrow and genocide western industrial civilisation is all based on bribery and corruption of western traitors by foreign powers:

    The kids will weep and wail that we must be genocided because they have been woke in school as to how evil we are and deserve it.

    Comrade Maaaaaates.

  120. Leigh Lowe

    Was he wearing his gaucho pants and poncho at the G20 in Brazil?

    Hard to say. He was at the one in Buenos Aires. In Argentina.

    Sigh!
    The “mistake” was deliberate, designed to take the piss out of Trudeau’s ineptitude on the international stage.
    Not surprising you missed it, oh obtuse one.

  121. Death Giraffe

    Violence is counter productive and plays into the hands of authoritarians.
    You can bet your ass there are a tonne of provocateurs who are using those yellow vest demos as an excuse to de-legitimise the movement.
    Violence is the stupid way to go.
    In fact, the days of going to the streets at all are probably over. As an organiser you have an environment where government controlled anti-fas idiots will create the story the media lackeys will seize on.
    There are more effective forms of legal, non-violent protest.
    Get smart, yellow vest organisers.

  122. bespoke

    The fault lies with you Leigh Lowe for tacking its attention bait. 🙂

  123. Australian Federal Police chief Andrew Colvin advised the committee examining the laws that “more than 90 per cent of telecommunications being lawfully intercepted by the AFP now use some form of encryption”.

    That raises the question of: What is the percentage for telecommunications being unlawfully intercepted?

  124. egg_

    Teri sexual harassment case: Court orders framing of charges against RK Pachauri

  125. Roger

    Just seen a video put out by Andrews to Box Hill Chinese Constituents telling the Liberals would stop Chinese coming to Australia.

    Authorized by one S. Rae. Can he/she be held to account in any way?

    Samuel Rae.

    A former protege of Stephen Conroy.

  126. Rae

    The “mistake” was deliberate, designed to take the piss out of Trudeau’s ineptitude on the international stage.

    Of course it was. Lol.

  127. Death Giraffe

    Mainstream culture is now globalist, socialist and authoritarian.
    Building an effective counter- culture is not something that will come easy to the right.
    Undermining authority takes a particular type of mind.
    An effective campaign takes a feature of a totalitarian system and uses that feature against it.
    For example, social media flagging. How many conservative users complain about flagging campaigns against their content on social media?
    Almost all of them. How many of them have thought through effective ways to use that feature?
    None of them, because they lack the mindset.

  128. Confused Old Misfit

    Death Giraffe
    #2877033, posted on December 2, 2018 at 11:13 am

    You re not French! You cannot understand!
    (Spoken in a broad, nasal french accent)

  129. Death Giraffe

    feature of a totalitarian system

    ..
    Authoritarian, not totalitarian.
    We are not that far along yet.

  130. Old School Conservative

    How climate skeptics didn’t pursue the line ‘he’s just a railroad engineer” against RK Pachauri when he led the IPCC is beyond me.

    Too polite perhaps.
    Using self-defined rules of engagement to their own detriment.
    No “playing the man” despite being tagged with the holocaust-reminder phrase “climate denier”.

  131. jupes

    Avi Yemini interviews some of the adults (sic) at the children’s anti-climate change protest in Melbourne; the first fuckwit who announces he is a scientist and really, really knows what he is talking about is rendered speechless by Avi; what a hoot:

    LOL that was hilarious.

    Avi Yemini is a champion.

  132. Death Giraffe

    Three things conservatives do wrong:
    They play by the spirit of the rules.
    They want ‘fair” indications of public opinion, convinced that majority opinion is something authoritarians will care about. They don’t. Or that the majority knowing that they are in a majority will spur that majority into some kind of effective action. It doesn’t.
    They over- emphasise the value of satire and mockery. A funny meme or post about how ridiculous the latest identity politics atrocity has proven to do nothing to slow the advance of identity politics. The ridiculousness is a feature, not a bug. It would be great if we could laugh our way back to sanity. Does not work like that.

  133. Tom

    Tiger Woods was bred by his father, US Army Lieutenant Colonel Earl Woods, to be anything he wanted to be, including President of the USA. In his journey to become the greatest player in the history of golf – though he won’t rightly receive that accolade until he beats Jack Nicklaus’s record of 18 major championships, which he still trails by four – he has mingled with US Presidents, including George H.W. Bush, who, on the day of his death, Woods reminisced today was one of the smartest men he had met.

    In 2032, when President Pence ends his second term after President Trump transforms the GOP into the party of the middle and working class, leaving the DNC stranded as the party of the fat, degenerate, elitist ruling class, voting Republican will be cool among blacks and Tiger Woods turns 57.

    He will have equalled or exceeded Nicklaus’s record and stormed the senior tour to confirm his war chest as a trillionaire. By then, he’ll be looking for his next challenge.

    The future is beautiful.

  134. stackja

    Up to 100 youths involved in St Kilda foreshore fracas
    Selby Stewart, Brianna Travers and Josh Fagan, Sunday Herald Sun
    32 minutes ago
    Subscriber only

    Police confirmed they responded to reports of brawl between a large number of youths last night.

    “A number of police units, including the Public Order Response Team, were in attendance, with the crowd dispersing upon arrival,” a police spokeswoman said.

    “Two people have since been arrested nearby on Acland Street, one in relation to making threats to inflict serious injury and the other in relation to possess prohibited weapon, with capsicum spray used during the arrests.”

    Police this morning charged a 19-year-old Truganina man with assaulting police, making threats to kill, possession of cannabis and breach of bail.

    He was remanded to appear at Melbourne Magistrates’ Court on Saturday.

    A second man was interviewed and released pending summons in relation to possession of a prohibited weapon.

    One male sustained non-life threatening injuries at the scene but declined treatment and has chosen not to make a statement to police.

    Police also received reports of a robbery and assault in the vicinity.

    A 24-year-old Burwood East man and 26-year-old Wheelers Hill man were taken to hospital with non-life threatening injuries.

  135. bespoke

    The National integrity commission is one step closer to Soviet style government. Used by politicians to hide behind and target enemy’s.

  136. Dr Faustus

    Former prime minister Kevin Rudd said Bush’s death “reminds us deeply of an earlier age of decency in US presidential politics.”

    Subtext: I am, possibly uniquely, qualified to opine on this, because I am, myself, thanks to the teachings of Dietrich Bonhoeffer, an exemplar of an earlier age of decency in Australian politics.
    Just ask Cate.

  137. Rockdoctor

    Myrddin Seren
    #2877029, posted on December 2, 2018 at 10:56 am

    How very Chinese of him. I am told that was the tactic Beijing used when Provincial Units crushed the Tienanmen Square protests because they knew the Beijing units would refuse to…

  138. Tom

    Trollscum, you want me to put my trust in a wrongologist like you? Hahahaha.

  139. John Constantine

    I can happily live with the old left that hates war, globalism, the lying media whores and crony socialism.

    Only now anybody that doesn’t kill, smash and censor in the name of Tyranny, eternal,universal and genocidal is literally a toxic Nazi.

    Once Biggles and Churchill and Blyton are branded literally Nazis, the next step is to wipe the English language from the face of the earth so nobody will ever be able to read the words of freedom in the original dialect.

    Only newspeak, and the Tyrants artificial intelligence censorship programs running on all electronic reading devices and the bonfires of the written word.

    Comrade Maaaaates.

  140. Death Giraffe

    Bird progress report.


  141. John Constantine

    I thought the troll was just a schoolkid on holidays filling in the empty hours.

    What if the poor bastard is actually a schoolteacher, dumped by her boyfriend for not being enraged enough about Trump, and she is trying to win his lefty love for her back by a summer of internet trolling?.

    Bloody long time until school goes back.

  142. Old School Conservative

    Once Biggles and Churchill and Blyton are branded literally Nazis, the next step is to wipe the English language from the face of the earth so nobody will ever be able to read the words of freedom in the original dialect.

    I had a good laugh at the link posted somewhere here in the last couple of days about the censorship of Mark Twain’s work.
    When Tom Sawyer was first released, a couple of libraries refused to carry it because he wrote “sweat” instead of “perspiration”.
    They didn’t mind the 200 odd times the n-word was written.

    (There I go. Self censoring)

  143. They over- emphasise the value of satire and mockery.

    So what remains?

    Logic/reason don’t work.
    Facts don’t matter.
    Laws of physics don’t work.
    Empirical data is only there to be f1ddled.

    Ridicule has some effect.

  144. Death Giraffe

    So what remains?

    ..
    I didn’t say it was useless, just over- emphasised.
    What is left?
    What they did in the sixties and seventies.
    Peace, man.

  145. Elle

    Arky, that is so adorable. Bless. 🕊

  146. None

    Dr Faustus

    #2877052, posted on December 2, 2018 at 12:02 pm

    *snort*

  147. Snoopy:

    This is staggering. The opioid crisis is the biggest disaster the the US has faced since the Civil War:

    I expect it’s not easy to find those stats split between males and females.

    Reading the link, it appears to be a Fentanyl Crisis. As you say, information on age/sex/race is going to be difficult to find until the data is able to be weaponised.
    1. The casualty rate is higher than WW2 on a good day.
    2. Obviously, stopping old farts from getting their codeine isn’t working.
    3. Who is manufacturing this stuff?
    4. Who is importing it?
    5. In reality, if the Chinese/Nork nexus is the supplier, a good case could be made that it is an act of war that deserves retaliation. If it’s South America, a cessation of trade, and a belligerent response is in order.
    As an aside, the crims who want to opportunistically get their hands on opioids will be targeting cancer and terminal illness patients at home or any pharmacist paper bags in cars. I lost a bag of medications at a motel as I was booking into a room three months ago.
    The list of names and addresses held at a pharmacy of persons requiring opioid Rx will be worth it’s weight in gold just like the list of names and addresses of the firearms owners.
    As usual, the government has entered the issue, and it has now become a problem of major proportions.
    The issue of narcotics wasn’t a problem 100 years ago, but now – according to Snoopy’s link, – threatens our civilisation.

  148. Death Giraffe

    I cant wait to bake them in a pie Elle.

  149. Death Giraffe

    Need to find 19 more.

  150. None

    I’m not one for stunts but good on Avi Yemeni for calling out that punk academic. Well done.

  151. Elle

    Death! Nooooooooo! 😲😢

  152. Rae

    Seems to us you need a dose of modesty regarding your predictive abilities. Maybe just watch golf.

    Lol. We did laugh at Tom’s prognostications about the greatest philanderer in the history of golf.

  153. In reality, if the Chinese/Nork nexus is the supplier, a good case could be made that it is an act of war that deserves retaliation.

    This is the new leader in silly pretexts for WW3. Well done Winston.

  154. Elle

    Arky, I ‘m reminded of Homer Simpson eating his pet lobster Pinchie.

  155. C.L.

    Avi Yemini interviews some of the adults (sic) at the children’s anti-climate change protest in Melbourne; the first fuckwit who announces he is a scientist and really, really knows what he is talking about is rendered speechless by Avi; what a hoot:

    Ahahahahahahaha. That was great.
    And I loved the appearance of two lesbian police ladies trying to start a fight (which is a specialty of Australia’s female policemen).

  156. Death Giraffe

    Don’t worry Elle.
    Im not going to name them before I eat them.
    Im not sick.

  157. C.L.

    This is the new leader in silly pretexts for WW3.

    No no. The Democrats’ desire for war with Russia is still way out in front.

  158. Death Giraffe

    Really cool to see the first apprarance to the dad blackbird.
    Looks to have a bit of meat on him too.

  159. calli

    In fact, the left hated Bush Sr when he was in power.

    Sure did. Remember Brown and Nettle heckling him in Parliament? I think the creeps turned their backs on him as he was speaking as well.

    Yeah. Loveable old George.

  160. Top Ender

    A culture left behind

    By JACINTA NAMPIJINPA PRICE

    Like most traditional cultures around the world, Warlpiri culture is deeply patriarchal; men are ­superior to women and more privileged, and the collective quashes the rights of the individual. These principles, thousands of years old, come together to oppress women now. If I misbehaved as a young girl, some well-intentioned family member might threaten me with forced marriage to a much older “promised husband”. I would obey out of terror.

    Aboriginal children are rarely punished physically but are controlled psychologically. I recall when I was a little girl my female kin playing cards at Yuendumu. A Japangardi, one of my potential husbands, walked past. The women pretended he was coming to take me away. They teased me and huddled around, pretending to protect me from his clutches. He played along, pretending to grab for me. I was terrified. Everyone burst into laughter. Japangardi signalled it was all a joke and ­handed me a $20 note to compensate for the terror he caused me.

    Girls are trained to be submissive from birth and their fear is laughed at. My mother was ­expected to join her middle-aged promised husband as his second wife at 13. She would have gone to her big sister’s household as her co-wife. Mum rebelled. Her father and promised husband relented and told her she could ­finish school first. They were good and thoughtful men who knew the law but also knew when not to enforce it and that the world was changing. Others of my ­mother’s age weren’t so lucky and were beaten senseless for daring to rebel.

    My parents were determined I would be able to choose my husband. There are still some not granted that right. In customary law, a man is entitled to have sex with his promised wife without her consent. This has been used in court to defend men who had violently and sexually assaulted their teenaged promised wives. In 2002 a 50-year-old Aboriginal man faced court over the abduction and rape of his 15-year-old promised wife. He had already killed one wife. Despite this, his new wife’s family had promised her to him. She was held against her will at his outstation and repeatedly raped. When she attempted to leave with relatives, he fired his shotgun to scare them off. His lawyers argued he was acting within the parameters of his law and fulfilling obligations to the victim’s family.

    This was true. The initial charge of rape was reduced. He ­received 24 hours’ imprisonment for unlawful intercourse with a minor and 14 days’ imprisonment for the firearm offences. When the details were published in a national paper there was outrage and a successful appeal.

    I know of many other cases like that: stories of rape, domestic violence and murder; stories belonging to women in my family and many other Aboriginal families. Stories that never reach the ears of the wider public. My close family regularly contributes to the hideous statistics relating to family ­violence. My Aboriginal sisters, aunts, mothers, nieces and daughters live this crisis every day. There is not a woman in my family who has not experienced some kind of physical or sexual abuse at some time in her life. And none of the perpetrators were white. One of my aunts had her childhood violently stolen from her at the age of 14. Her promised husband, a much older man, held her captive. She was bound with rope “like a kangaroo”, as it was described to me, and repeatedly raped. No one reported the incident. Everyone went about their lives as if nothing had happened. My aunt — one of the most loving, caring and, as I’ve come to learn, resilient women I know — lived on in silence. She lost the ability to bear children. She was left to deal with her scarred womb and tormented ­psyche while her perpetrator lived on to die as an elder and law man, revered by both the Aboriginal and the wider community.

    I was told of another relative who had also been promised to a much older man who, again, had been convicted of killing his first wife. She was terrified she’d suffer the same fate. Her female relatives tried to protect her. I was told her promised husband and other male relatives took her out bush with the connivance of her own father who had also caused the death of his wife. No one has seen her since. That was more than 30 years ago when I was a baby. No complaint was made to the police. These are the kinds of women’s stories I’ve grown up with, told to me in whispers by aunts, grandmothers, mothers. They were also warnings of what can happen when a girl breaks the law.

    As an Aboriginal woman I have grown up knowing never to travel on certain roads during “business” time for fear of accidentally coming across a men’s ceremonial party. Like all Aboriginal women, I am at risk of being killed as punishment for making such a simple mistake. This was, and still is, the rule for Aboriginal women in central Australia.

    In January 2009 a police car drove on to a ceremonial ground in a remote community. They were pursuing a man who had assaulted his wife. There was a female police officer in the car. That evening the ABC news reported that white police had shown no respect for Aboriginal law. The fact they were pursuing a man who had perpetrated violence against his wife wasn’t mentioned.

    Interviewed for the evening news, the late Mr Bookie, former chairman of the Central Land Council, said: “It’s against our law for people like that, breaking the law, they shouldn’t be there. Aboriginal ladies, they’re not allowed to go anywhere near that. If they had been caught — a woman, Aboriginal lady, got caught — she would be killed. Simple as that!” He knew the law and he told the truth.

    There was great anger in June this year when Victoria Police ­issued a statement cautioning women to have “situational awareness” and be “mindful of their surroundings” after the terrible rape and murder of a young Melbourne woman in a Carlton park at night. Aboriginal women in remote Australia must be acutely aware of their situation and surroundings all the time during Aboriginal men’s ceremony. They are taught this from birth. This is the way it is and has always been.

    A few years ago I was contacted by a female family member who told me that because of feuding ­between her family and her in-laws she was wrongly accused of insulting a man in a culturally sensitive way relating to sacred men’s business. As a result she and her daughter were told they had to strip naked publicly in their community to be humiliated. Women know insulting a man with reference to men’s sacred ceremony can result in severe punishment. An accusation is usually believed and supported by the accuser’s ­female kin. Denial is useless.

    A son-in-law can do whatever he likes and his mother-in-law will blame her daughter. In traditional communities in the Northern Territory, the patriarchal and kin-based society is so deeply embedded it’s common for female relatives of even violent offenders to support them against the victim. The obligation to male kin is so strong it can be crippling.

    Premature death and life-threatening illness are blamed on sorcery. Misfortune falling on a family can be blamed on the misbehaviour of women who have ­attracted the attention of sor­cerers. They may be blamed for the death of their children or husbands. Mothers and widows in mourning are sometimes badly beaten after attracting blame. They usually accept punishment because they share the belief system that imposes the penalty. As long as the belief that women can be blamed for the bad behaviour of men, or for accidents and illness, exists in the hearts and minds of Aboriginal people, we will never progress in the fight against physical and sexual violence against women. It is heartbreaking but true.

    Ironically, in my experience many of those most horrified by the idea of Aboriginal people questioning the old ways or adapting to the new are people who fully embrace modernity themselves. They are often well-educated and em­ployed, fluent and articulate in ­English. They live safely in suburbs, have access to the media and the world’s best health services. They don’t die young and they stay out of prison. They have their own culture, don’t live by our customary law, perhaps don’t know what it is. To me, it’s never clear what it is they’re so keen for us to hold on to. Or why we should.

    In a small-scale society without prisons and without ­material wealth, incarceration or fining weren’t available as penalties for law-breaking. Physical punishments such as wounding by spear, beatings or death were the only ones available. Once the punishment had been carried out, conflict could be resolved and everyone could carry on with life. With no defence services or police, everybody, male and female, was trained to fight to defend themselves and their families when called upon. Communities haven’t fully shed these ancient practices.

    But they don’t work in a complex, modern society, especially one suffering from high levels of ­alcohol and drug abuse; a world where we have all of these old traditions plus internet connection to the world, pornography and poker machines — new things that can kill, none of which existed when our culture and laws were formed.

    This is the point at which traditional culture and the modern world collide to tear each other apart. My peaceful childhood days in the bush were a stark contrast to town, where members of my family lived in town camps. There, ­alcohol-fuelled violence took a stranglehold on their lives. I watched as my uncles, whom I loved dearly — men who loved their families — became addicted to grog because they no longer knew where they stood in society. I’ve witnessed alcohol-fuelled rage from men and women towards each other and inflicted on themselves. The principles of traditional and modern economies also clash.

    Traditionally we couldn’t preserve or transport food in a harsh climate. Food had to be consumed immediately and shared with those present; and it could be ­demanded. That was the only way we could survive. But the only things my ancestors possessed that could be shared were food, water and firewood. The principle of demand-share cannot coexist with money, with the need to save, invest and budget. It cannot coexist with addiction. Now, in the cash economy, demand-share and immediate consumption applied to money, clothing, vehicles and houses cause poverty. You can’t say no to kin. They have unrestricted access to your income and all of your assets under the old rules. Some kin will be addicted to alcohol, drugs and gambling.

    The addicted are allowed, under the rules of traditional culture, to demand their kin fund their addiction. It is the single biggest barrier to beneficial participation in the modern economy. If you are obliged to give, with no questions asked, you can’t budget, you can’t save, you can’t invest. It strips away your incentive to work. I have had to live with this and cope with it all of my life. Sharing reinforces kin relationships and the status of the sharer.

    Men have higher status than women and are less obliged than women to share. This system further subjugates women. To avoid the pain of saying no, my mother insists her white husband won’t let her share. My father is happy to take on this role and use the “male privilege” given him by his wife’s culture to protect his ­Aboriginal loved ones from poverty.

    These problematic attitudes and practices I’ve described did not arrive on the Australian continent with white people in 1788. They are millennia old and fundamentally rooted in a deeply patriarchal culture.

    James Massing is a senior minister in the Sarawak state government in Malaysia. His people are the indigenous Iban. His great-grandfather was a headhunter. He has a simple message for other ­indigenous peoples: “If you don’t adapt, you die.” He knows the traditional culture of his people and speaks their language. He has a PhD in anthropology from the Australian National University. He no longer hunts human heads. He has kept the best of the old ways, and taken the best of what the world has to offer now, to lead his people out of poverty and marginalisation. He knows how his people must adapt to survive.

    Recently I was helping my 33-year-old niece to cope with end-stage renal failure and her 11-year-old daughter to attend to an ongoing battle with rheumatic fever; we have the highest rates in the world. Their mother and grandmother, my sister-in-law, is in her 40s. She walks with a limp and has permanent damage to her sight and hearing resulting from assaults by Aboriginal male partners and a Warlpiri man who bashed her in the head with a rock because she had no grog or cigarettes to give him. Not long before that I helped ambulance and police officers to place the body of my aunt in a body bag. She had died of a massive heart attack following a drinking binge. She was one of my favourites. Not long before that I identified the body of my young cousin killed in a car crash caused by ­alcohol abuse. None of these, my female loved ones, had the English skills, confidence or competence to deal with the wider world effectively when crises hit. They all spoke their traditional languages. They were all traditional owners under the Land Rights Act. They knew their Jukurrpa and could name the sacred sites in their country. The old rules of traditional culture simply do not give them, the most marginalised of our communities, the tools they need to deal with contemporary problems and challenges; challenges that the old ones, elders past, couldn’t have imagined.

    Massing is correct. We need to adapt to survive and we can do it our way. I have spoken of the need for cultural reform. I have called on Aboriginal people to question long-held beliefs, to challenge that which contributes to violence in our culture and to hold ourselves to account for the part our culture and attitudes play in our communities’ problems. Just as European women have challenged the treatment of women in their cultures to bring about change, I am doing the same in mine.

    My message is too much for many people to hear. When I or others relate stories like the ones I’ve told here, we attract labels like “coconut” and “sell out”, and ­obscene, misogynist, violent abuse. If white people do so, of course, the label is “racist”, “assimilationist” and “white supremacist”. Truth can be threatening and offensive. Truth can be too much for some. Aboriginal women and children are Australian citizens and they must be able to make the same choices as other citizens. ­Aboriginal activists campaigned for decades for my people to have the full rights of citizens. Now we have them. We also won the ­responsibilities of citizenship. They can’t be separated. If Australian citizens are in danger of abuse and neglect, they deserve to be protected, not on the basis of their culture but on the basis of their human rights. We cannot sacrifice their lives on the altar of culture.

    Thirty per cent of us in the Northern Territory are of indigenous descent. We are determined to hold on to the best of traditional values. We need to let go of the ones that no longer work. My kinsmen, who suffer through these crises, haven’t been taught the best of Western, indeed world, culture to help them cope with the problems whitefellas have brought to us. Many haven’t even been taught to speak, read or write the national language. Our traditional culture simply doesn’t provide all the tools they need for a modern world.

    The West has progressed so far because constructive criticism is embraced. Progress cannot be made if long-held beliefs cannot be challenged or if we cannot be honest. My people are intelligent, prag­matic and resilient. We’re not delicate or weak but clever, funny and strong, like our language. And just as our language has adapted to a new world, I have faith our culture can be adapted and improved. And it will still be our culture.

    Jacinta Nampijinpa Price is a Warlpiri-Celtic woman from central Australia. She is a fierce campaigner for the rights of Aboriginal women and children against family violence, an elected member on Alice Springs Town Council and a cross-cultural educator. This is an edited extract from the December issue of Meanjin, out on Monday.

    Link

  161. bespoke

    m0nty

    What job pays more to a man for the same work as a woman?

  162. Elle

    Really cool to see the first apprarance to the dad blackbird.
    Looks to have a bit of meat on him too.

    You’re not eyeing him up for eating too?

    I guess we did eat our pets in NZ. Pet lamb I had back in 1986 was tasty as!

  163. Elle

    But the male bros treated sheep differently. Whispering sweet nothings in their ear after a long embrace. Ewwe!

  164. Death Giraffe

    Shush.
    There are Australians reading this blog.

  165. Boambee John

    Death Giraffe
    #2877039, posted on December 2, 2018 at 11:24 am
    Mainstream culture is now globalist, socialist and authoritarian.
    Building an effective counter- culture is not something that will come easy to the right.
    Undermining authority takes a particular type of mind.
    An effective campaign takes a feature of a totalitarian system and uses that feature against it.
    For example, social media flagging. How many conservative users complain about flagging campaigns against their content on social media?
    Almost all of them. How many of them have thought through effective ways to use that feature?
    None of them, because they lack the mindset.

    You are correct about mainstream culture. You are also correct about using non-violent methods. See my comment yesterday about concentrating on the Senate. Not being nerdish, I hadn’t thought about flagging leftists for “hate speech” on social media, but it is a good idea.

    We must now recognise that we are the rebels against an entrenched establishment, and work out non-violent methods to first weaken, then overthrow it.

    Study Alinsky for a start. Lots of non-violent options there.

  166. areff

    Once Biggles and Churchill and Blyton are branded literally Nazis

    Eric von Stahlein will be the hero of WE Johns’ ‘corrected’ archive, fighting for climate justice after the greenhouse gases liberated by Rotten Winston’s firebombing of Dresden.

    (brace for certain Cats claiming a city full of Germans wasn’t a fit target in a war against Germans)

  167. Snoopy

    It’s nearly four weeks since the mid-terms. When is Mueller going to drop the axe, Monty? All we’ve had so far are MSM gaffes.

  168. Boambee John

    In 2032, when President Pence ends his second term after President Trump transforms the GOP into the party of the middle and working class, leaving the DNC stranded as the party of the fat, degenerate, elitist ruling class, voting Republican will be cool among blacks and Tiger Woods turns 57.

    John Howard took the Liberals partly along this line, Abbott could have gone further but didn’t, Turnbull decided to link up with the tertiary credentialled self-selected “elites”.

  169. calli

    Too quiet for you, areff?

    Here, have this nice stick of dynamite and this loverly match.

    🤣

  170. calli

    The blackbird babies are beautiful Arky. The nests are a wonder – perfectly woven little bowls. Usually hidden in the lower branches of the shrubbery. These poor things must have been desperate to camp on top of a pile of tomato stakes.

  171. Elle

    Shush.
    There are Australians reading this blog.

    I went out with a guy from Hay in the Riverina. I saw more sheep down that way than in NZ. There are closet sheep shaggers amongst us. 🐏🐑

  172. calli

    Speaking of birds, it’s very hot here today. All the maggies are standing around with their beaks open. The birdbath has been getting a good workout too.

  173. Roger

    John Howard took the Liberals partly along this line…

    The same John Howard who took guns of law abiding people & introduced the RET, the immigration Ponzi scheme and the middle class welfare churn?

    That John Howard, you say?

  174. There are closet sheep shaggers amongst us.

    The smell of lanolin gives them away.

  175. hzhousewife

    The Jeu de Paume – one of best art galleries in Paris – is on fire. A mob is storming through the Tuleries Garden.

    OK, now I am NOT happy.

  176. A culture left behind

    By JACINTA NAMPIJINPA PRICE

    I don’t suppose any of our politicians will take on any of what is written.

    I’m sure the left will do something to stop such heresy.

  177. hzhousewife

    I hope the Netherlands duplicates all the Vermeers in the Mauritshuis (if they have not already done so) and removes them for safe keeping.

  178. P

    Trump only world leader at G-20 to not sign statement supporting commitment to fighting climate change .

  179. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    I’m sure the left will do something to stop such heresy.

    Depend on it. The usual suspects will begin howling her down.

  180. Elle

    Hair appointment yesterday. The young girl – about 16 years of age – helping out in the salon was telling everyone about her participation in the rally on “climate change” that took place in Martin Place during the week. She said “it was like so cool like so many people were there – teachers and students – like it was awesome like you know.” She went on to say “like it was revealing to see what students didn’t attend because their parents like didn’t let them. Like old people are like ruining this planet.” All said while checking her mobile phone. And most likely she arrived at work in her parent’s big car, while planning their next trip overseas … along side climate change preacher Al Gore. 

  181. calli

    I had to run that twice to understand what I was seeing, slackster.

  182. Helen Davidson (nmrn)

    A culture left behind

    By JACINTA NAMPIJINPA PRICE

    Are they allowing comments? It might almost be worth a subscription to be able to read what the moderators let through.

    The only motivation for bothering to vote in the next federal election is that Jacinta is (currently) the Coalition candidate in my electorate.

  183. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    And most likely she arrived at work in her parent’s big car, while planning their next trip overseas … along side climate change preacher Al Gore.

    I’m wondering how many of the would be SJW’s, at those protests will be off to Bali, for schoolies?

  184. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Are they allowing comments? It might almost be worth a subscription to be able to read what the moderators let through.

    They are, actually.

  185. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Belinda
    1 hour ago
    Interesting that Kerryn Phelps feels the plight of 30 odd children from another continent ( now living in Nauru) as more important than the enormous problems faced by our own Aboriginal children and their families. Better media attention?

  186. Snoopy

    slackster
    #2877108, posted on December 2, 2018 at 1:38 pm
    Disturbing footage from Paris:

    https://twitter.com/NewsDiscord/status/1068978891388153856

    Government snipers shooting protesters should boost Macron’s popularity.

  187. Nick

    Interesting that Kerryn Phelps feels the plight of 30 odd children from another continent ( now living in Nauru) as more important than the enormous problems faced by our own Aboriginal children and their families. Better media attention?

    One could argue the same of Naruan children.

  188. bespoke

    I have no doubt that those kids are going to be doxed and shamed for not attending, Elle.

  189. Infidel Tiger

    Falun Gong flying banners over Perth this morning.

    Strange country we have now.

  190. Tel

    5. In reality, if the Chinese/Nork nexus is the supplier, a good case could be made that it is an act of war that deserves retaliation. If it’s South America, a cessation of trade, and a belligerent response is in order.

    The Chinese government regarded British opium shipments into China as an act of war, so they have established their own precedent here.

  191. max

    There are two types of people:
    Those who play golf,
    And those who recognize it
    for the idiotic malpractice that it is,
    that recognize it for the land wasting,
    water guzzling, pesticide and herbicide
    carcinogen drenched
    leeching into the groundwater,
    sanitized version of nature,
    Bob Hope celebrity goofball,
    mundane polo shirt and jackass slacks,
    elitist, history of bigotry, racism, sexism,
    and anti-Semitism, over-priced, over-rated,
    time-wasting, posing-as-a-sport
    moronic indulgence that it is.
    I’m the first type.

    Golf Pro
    Michael Philips

  192. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    John
    1 hour ago
    (Edited)
    John
    1 hour ago
    (Edited)
    In this very issue we see Roy Ah-See threatening Australia if the demands of the patriarchal leadership of the Aboriginal power clique are not met with no concession to needs to reform their treatment of women and obey Australian law,learn skills to reduce dependency, and make positive contributions to the society on which they live, starting with addressing school truancy. Perhaps the cry of these courageous women will give respectability to demands of reform of the unreasonable expectations that the leadership demands. if the demands of the patriarchal leadership of the Aboriginal power clique are not met with no concession to needs to reform their treatment of women and obey Australian law,learn skills to reduce dependency, and make positive contributions to the society on which they live, starting with addressing school truancy. Perhaps the cry of these courageous women will give respectability to demands of reform of the unreasonable expectations that the leadership demands.

    What’s Roy Ah – See going to do? Refuse thirty billion dollars a year spending on the indigenous?

  193. Des Deskperson

    ‘The Jeu de Paume – one of best art galleries in Paris – is on fire. A mob is storming through the Tuleries Garden.’

    The Jeu de Paume now describes itself as ‘an arts centre for modern and post modern photography and media’. I was there a few years back and it was all ‘edgy’ crap.

    Its destruction would be a net gain.

  194. C.L.

    Same site as Slackster’s link (above):

    This is truly sinister, disturbing footage from Paris …
    Oppose “climate change” and this is how the bugman state responds:

    https://twitter.com/NewsDiscord/status/1068980042137403392

  195. miltonf

    John Howard took the Liberals partly along this line…

    The same John Howard who took guns of law abiding people & introduced the RET, the immigration Ponzi scheme and the middle class welfare churn?

    That John Howard, you say?
    Signed us up to the ICC…bullied the NSW gov to take away farmers’ property rights

  196. Boambee John

    Roger
    #2877103, posted on December 2, 2018 at 1:28 pm
    John Howard took the Liberals partly along this line…

    The same John Howard who took guns of law abiding people & introduced the RET, the immigration Ponzi scheme and the middle class welfare churn?

    That John Howard, you say?

    Yes Roger, that John Howard, he of the “Howard’s Battlers”.

    I didn’t say he stuck to that path, you could argue that the things you mention took him off the path, with Work Choices the final straw, but for some time he was uniting the middle and much of the working classes against the urban bugmen of his time.

  197. zyconoclast

    If the French security forces get squeamish about shooting anti-government protesters, Macron needs Merkel to send in the Prussian attack columns to restore globalism with bullet and bayonet under the cover of the EU.

    Like these

  198. Infidel Tiger

    Macron will lose the Presidency over these riots.

    A deeply unpopular weirdo losing the top job over the climate scam. Now why does that seem familiar?

  199. Des Deskperson

    ‘The first fuckwit who announces he is a scientist and really, really knows what he is talking about is rendered speechless by Avi;’

    The ‘scientist’ thought that the 2009 Victorian bushfires took place in 2007, so his grasp of basis data is clearly unreliable.

    I loved his shirt – probably Kathmandu. Urban para-Intellectuals wear this sort of gear when they want to look like bushies.

  200. Steve trickler

    If that footage is legit. Macron is in big trouble.

    Immediate psychological shock waves will flow through the police, if this turns out to be true.

  201. zyconoclast

    There are closet sheep shaggers amongst us.

    The smell of lanolin gives them away.

    Self lubricating!

  202. Rae

    Disturbing footage from Paris:

    https://twitter.com/NewsDiscord/status/1068978891388153856

    Mon dieu. The gullible are out in force at the Cat today.

  203. None

    So I go to check Bernard Gaynor’s account to see if he’s heard anything about his last court case and I find that his Twitter is now protected and has a message that he’s being targeted by LGBT activists. It just goes to show how malicious the Gaystapo is and of course they pick on somebody who has no money who’s had to sell his house to fight them because then they can set precedentse which can be used to fry bigger fish. I noticed that one of his vexatious litigants has targeted a mentally disabled man -that one actually made the front page of the Australian – and that in a recent case lodged against Tim Blair those dodgy rulings involving a mentally disabled man were cited. While Tim Blair won that particular case you should read the ruling which is from a kangaroo Court of course not by a judge and no rules of evidence. It basically states all readers are stupid and in this case they will allow the fact that they’re stupid in order to let him off the hook. Basically they got caught out because the transexual that lodged the complaint complained about him using the word tranny and it was pointed out that that the complainant used the word tranny themselves. It was really disgusting. But that’s how lol fair works. You Target the little guy that nobody here nobody knows and nobody cares about and who can’t fight back and then you set precedence to fry bigger fish. At least Bernard had the guts to fight back whether you agree with his beliefs or not and for that he deserves our support because if he wins we all win.

  204. …aaand of course, monty goes the verballing route.

    This is the new leader in silly pretexts for WW3. Well done Winston.

    Wheareas I said:

    In reality, if the Chinese/Nork nexus is the supplier, a good case could be made that it is an act of war that deserves retaliation.

    An act of war doesn’t require a warlike response such as nuclear arms, you brainless turd.
    It can be as mild as a complete trade embargo on Chinese/Nork products or their derivatives.
    “The supreme art of war is to subdue the enemy without fighting.”
    You really are as thick as pig shit.

  205. Was it Churchill who said:
    “A game invented by the devil with implements ill adapted to the purpose at hand.”

  206. mh

    Macron will lose the Presidency over these riots.

    Merkel will be stepping down soon, and is a lame duck leader now anyway.

    Theresa May should have been knifed already, hopefully won’t be far away.

    Turnbull has gone.

    Any idea when Trudeau is likely to lose/depart office?

  207. Makka

    “The real issue here is that when wages are flat and when people are feeling the pinch, people will line others up as being the reason (for migrant problems),” Mr Morrison said.
    February 2018

    Wages are flat and people are feeling the pinch because your fkg Govt are allowing far too many people into this country, keeping wages down.

    The Libs deserve total destruction.

  208. JC

    Wages are flat and people are feeling the pinch because your fkg Govt are allowing far too many people into this country, keeping wages down.

    The Libs deserve total destruction.

    Wrong, as usual. Next!

  209. Confused Old Misfit

    Trump only world leader at G-20 to not sign statement supporting commitment to fighting climate change .

    Well done that man!

  210. Makka

    Interesting that Kerryn Phelps feels the plight of 30 odd children from another continent ( now living in Nauru) as more important than the enormous problems faced by our own Aboriginal children and their families. Better media attention?

    The abo battle is already won.

  211. Makka

    Wrong, as usual.

    The Reserve Bank says I’m right hamburger whisperer.

  212. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Did anyone see Simon Sharma kicking off the new BBC series ‘Civilisations’ (note the plural) on SBS last night? I hope it is worth us dredging it up on some iview. I didn’t know it was on, just read about it in the Weekend Oz an hour ago, and see that he deals with cave art, plus the great heights reached by the Minoans. Cave art and Crete’s past glories are two things which we saw in spades on our last trip o/s. Told you how much I was gobsmacked by the National Archaeological Museum of Crete, where most of the Minoan treasures are held. I wonder what Sharma’s picks will be from that happy collection of civilizational artifacts.

  213. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Has that awful thing called Hark! disappeared from the thread yet?
    Trolls like that deserve no quarter here. They are beyond any response but squashing.
    Soros cockroaches. Well done Tom, this morning last time I looked in.

  214. Winston, if you really believe that the Chinese are declaring war on the US by manufacturing opioids for American consumers, in many cases on behalf of American pharma firms, then you are a complete idiot.

  215. zyconoclast

    from michaelsmithnews.com

    Here’s what Australia signed up to:

    20. Signatories to the Paris Agreement, who have also joined the Hamburg Action Plan, reaffirm that the Paris Agreement is irreversible and commit to its full implementation, reflecting common but differentiated responsibilities and respective capabilities, in light of different national circumstances. We will continue to tackle climate change, while promoting sustainable development and economic growth.

    And here’s what President Trump’s doing.

    21. The United States reiterates its decision to withdraw from the Paris Agreement, and affirms its strong commitment to economic growth and energy access and security, utilizing all energy sources and technologies, while protecting the environment.

  216. Steve trickler

    Great story.

    C. Y. O’Connor popped into my head watching this. He wasn’t around to witness his pipeline achievement. Similarly, Cy Iba passed before witnessing boom times.



  217. zyconoclast

    Also from michaelsmithnews.com

    Pakistani PM Imran Khan Says “No Mention of Jesus in History,” Announces Int’l Anti-Blasphemy Convention: The West Should Be Made to Understand Our Love for Muhammad
    Pakistani Prime Minister Imran Khan delivered a speech on the day of the Prophet Muhammad’s birthday. He said that other prophets of Allah weren’t as significant as Muhammad, and that there is “no mention of Jesus in history.” He said that the West should be made to understand Muslims’ love for the Prophet Muhammad and that freedom of speech is not a legitimate pretext to hurt somebody’s religion. Khan also announced that his government is spearheading efforts to get countries to sign onto the “International Convention on Preventing the Defamation of Religions,” which would state that freedom of speech is an insufficient pretext for hurting the world’s Muslims. PM Khan’s speech was aired on 24 News HD TV (Pakistan) to the Internet on November 20, 2018.

  218. Boambee John

    reaffirm that the Paris Agreement is irreversible and commit to its full implementation

    The Paris Agreement was originally annagreement to set and attempt to reach voluntary targets.

    Of course, it was always only a first step, to be followed by mission creep.

  219. Cassie of Sydney

    “Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
    #2877158, posted on December 2, 2018 at 3:52 pm
    Has that awful thing called Hark! disappeared from the thread yet?
    Trolls like that deserve no quarter here. They are beyond any response but squashing.
    Soros cockroaches. Well done Tom, this morning last time I looked in.

    Agree entirely.

  220. Boambee John

    Pakistani Prime Minister Imran Khan delivered a speech on the day of the Prophet Muhammad’s birthday. He said that other prophets of Allah weren’t as significant as Muhammad, and that there is “no mention of Jesus in history.”

    Actually, Jesus was mentioned by Josephus in his history.

    Typical Muslim blasphemy.

  221. bespoke

    Hark’s ok but he needs a helmet.

  222. Infidel Tiger

    I preferred Imran when he was a champagne quaffing pantsman who bowled searing reverse swing.

  223. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Loved that real catfight, indicating the value of preemptive positioning. Amazing stand-off behaviour at first. More noise than JC vs Makka. We keep Attapuss in at night, and the bruiser neighbourhood tom we call Ginger, who still has a roundly decorative rear end, arrives to shriek at him through the glass door. They have major catfights through the glass which are hilarious to watch as they scrabble and biff with total fur-up fury till I call halt, unable to stand the noise any longer. Friends of ours have two similar tabbies to Attapuss who have had some major fights when let out at night in their local area; their vet fees are now hitting over eight thousand dollars.

    Keep’m inside at night. Best for wildlife and best for them too.

  224. zyconoclast

    Al Sharpton sells his life story rights for $531,000 — to his own charity

    The Rev. Al Sharpton has found an eager buyer for the rights to his life story — his own charity.

    The National Action Network agreed to pay the activist preacher $531,000 for his “life story rights for a 10-year period,” according to the non-profit’s latest tax filing, which was obtained by The Post.

    NAN can apparently turn around and sell those rights to Hollywood or other takers at a profit, but neither the reverend nor the charity would identify what producers are waiting for such Sharpton content.

    The document does not indicate when Sharpton, who is president of NAN, gets the cash, which is above and beyond the $244,661 he already pulled down in compensation from the group in 2017.

  225. Fisk

    Oh wow. The Uniparty have passed legislation boosting the ageing parent visa numbers. At a net cost of about $400,000 per head. What a completely indefensible giveaway.

    https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2018/11/parliament-passes-visa-legislation-accelerate-ageing/

  226. Fisky

    The Uniparty have passed legislation boosting the ageing parent visa numbers. At a net cost of about $400,000 per head. What a completely indefensible giveaway.

    https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2018/11/parliament-passes-visa-legislation-accelerate-ageing/

  227. Leigh Lowe

    Infidel Tiger

    #2877170, posted on December 2, 2018 at 4:11 pm

    I preferred Imran when he was a champagne quaffing pantsman who bowled searing reverse swing.

    And I used to love Javed Miandad too.
    He would never have got caught cheating like Warner and Bancroft.
    Not saying he wouldn’t cheat … just that he wouldn’t get caught.

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