Open Forum: December 1, 2018

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  1. Leigh Lowe

    And top o de page to yez all.

  2. JC

    Makka

    Last week you posted an incorrect refutation about wages showing you totally misunderstood your own linked chart.

    Stop posting stuff you know nothing about. It’s annoying. Enough.

  3. Makka

    JC, Scummo and the Reserve Bank says wages are flat and the RBA say wages are held down due to immigration. Do the fkg research before you post your bullshit here. You are so FOS.

  4. Woolfe

    SRR unfollowed me on twitter, not sure if that is a win or a loss!

  5. Elle

    Keep’m inside at night. Best for wildlife and best for them too.

    I agree. Irresponsible to do otherwise. That, and I know of offenders who will kill cats that wander into the offenders’ yard – day or night.

    My 13 and 14 year old cats are indoor cats. I have a balcony they play and lounge about on. No cat haters lurking. And no wildlife killed – only the occasional huntsman spider and fly. Our pet cats are domestic not wild.

  6. Nick

    For you LL:

    Essendon Football Club directors want to ditch traditional titles such as “chairman” and “deputy chairman” in favour of “president’ and other gender-neutral terms as part of an effort to modernise the club and make it more inclusive.

    A comment below:

    Chairman is short for Chair Manager and as such, is already gender neutral

    Keep going Bombers, love Carlton.

  7. JC

    Makka

    Prove it. But this time ensure the link you post aligns with your argument. Last week you posted a link to a chart that refuted your argument.

    You’ve been told before. Wages can only grow through productivity increases. They cannot grow in real terms through fictitious action like central wage fixing, which you have idicated you support.

    As I said, stop talking about this stuff, because you don’t understand it.

  8. Mark A

    Nick
    #2877182, posted on December 2, 2018 at 4:50 pm

    Essendon Football Club directors want to ditch traditional titles such as “chairman” and “deputy chairman” in favour of “president’ and other gender-neutral terms as part of an effort to modernise the club and make it more inclusive.

    My club, the Saints toyed with this sort of rubbish a while back, can’t even remember the specifics now, but we told them to concentrate on playing better footy instead.

    Didn’t work but, they are still shyte.

  9. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Chairman is short for Chair Manager and as such, is already gender neutral

    Yes. I’ve heard it was originally a reference to the person seated at the head of the table who held that ‘chair’ in his ‘main’, which is French for hand. Hence manager is a useful derivation on the same name ‘scatter’.
    No need to change it at all. I have been a chairman of meetings. No problem with my equipment for it.

  10. calli

    Something to make Cats smile.

    Our church is doing its annual Christmas pageant in a couple of weeks – real camels, donkeys and sheep included. The angels aren’t quite genuine, but it’s a nice, aspirational role for small children. We have also been blessed each year with a real “Holy Family”, mum, dad and bub. This year is no different – a freshly minted mite will get the plum job.

    The announcement this morning: “Some of our young families might like to consider next year’s event and whether they might like a starring role”. 🙃

  11. Nick

    real camels, donkeys and sheep included

    Let me guess, you recruited at your local climate rally ? 🙂

  12. calli

    W.C. Fields warned never to work with children or animals. What could go wrong?

  13. johanna

    hzhousewife
    #2877107, posted on December 2, 2018 at 1:37 pm

    I hope the Netherlands duplicates all the Vermeers in the Mauritshuis (if they have not already done so) and removes them for safe keeping.

    Vermeer.

    What a genius. He managed to simultaneously be realistic, artistic, a master of the craft – plus he had that indefinable quality that makes most people draw in their breath with wonder.

    Except for the Islamists, because he depicted people, which is haram. They would toss all of his paintings on the fire without a second thought. Think about that, all you apologists for Islam.

    Re Blackbirds – I know that they are regarded as pests in English gardens. But, in my experience, they are pretty benign in Australia. They fossick around in mulch looking for food, which aerates it. They eat lawn grubs. They don’t hassle other birds more than is usual, AFAIK.

    The Divine Agatha wrote a great story featuring four-and-twenty blackbirds baked in a pie – once again she drew on nursery rhymes and folk memories. It’s called A Pocketful of Rye.

    Goldarnit, I just realised the rationale for the four and twenty pie brand.

    I’m slow, but I get there. 🙂

  14. Nick

    Good luck finding a virgin on the Central Coast too

  15. Leigh Lowe

    Nick

    #2877182, posted on December 2, 2018 at 4:50 pm

    For you LL:

    Essendon Football Club directors want to ditch traditional titles such as “chairman” and “deputy chairman” in favour of “president’ and other gender-neutral terms as part of an effort to modernise the club and make it more inclusive.

    Jesus wept.
    Up until the late ’90’s or early 2000’s if you asked any club official what the main objective of the club was, they would look at you like you were from Mars and say, “Winning Premierships, of course.”
    Now you would get a word-salad of “inclusivity, equality, rainbow rights, R-ecognition, etc”
    I doubt that winning premierships would rate in the top 5.

  16. Leigh Lowe

    Nick

    #2877205, posted on December 2, 2018 at 5:42 pm

    Good luck finding a virgin on the Central Coast too

    Googlery (if you exclude manual relief administered by Mummy).

  17. H B Bear

    Just signed up to SBS as a 120 yo gender fluid person.

    Do ya reckon they will come and do a documentary on me?

  18. cohenite

    I preferred Imran when he was a champagne quaffing pantsman who bowled searing reverse swing.

    And who shagged 1/2 the maidens of NSW when the prick was out here playing state cricket. Like I say there is NO SUCH THING as a moderate muslim. The fuckers are all the same.

  19. John Constantine

    https://www.dw.com/en/north-korea-ramps-up-manufacture-of-illegal-drugs-amid-sanctions/a-40169753

    “In April 2003, Australian troops boarded the freighter Pong Su – owned by North Korea but flying a Tuvalu flag of convenience – and recovered nearly 125 kilograms of heroin that had been previously landed by inflatable boat on a beach in the state of Victoria.

    Four North Korean nationals, including the ship’s political officer, were subsequently tried and deported. The North Korean government denied any knowledge of the illegal cargo.”

    “North Korea has embassies in a number of states in Southeast Asia with high demand for narcotics and it is relatively easy to move shipments around once they are in the region because of the lax border controls.

    As well as smuggling drugs into the country through ports, it has long been believed that the North’s diplomatic bag – which is immune from search or seizure – is being used to transport drugs.”

    Fentanyl is the most ideal drug for transport through diplomatic bags because of its potency,

    “Fentanyl sales are much more lucrative than heroin. A kilogram of heroin is purchased for approximately $6,000 and sold for appropriately $80,000. A kilogram of fentanyl is purchased for approximately $6,000 and sold for approximately $1.6 million. The reason for this vast difference in pricing is that the potency of fentanyl is so great, that it is cut into heroin and other drugs, to expand their volume.”

    https://www.affirmhealth.com/blog/word-on-the-street-fentanyl

  20. John Constantine

    https://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/latest-news/china-agrees-to-crack-down-on-fentanyl/news-story/cf119b507f93e0a07b5df2928d27a9b1

    Massive victory for Trump for Americas flyover people over the chicoms.

    “The deadly synthetic opioid is responsible for tens of thousands of US drug deaths every year.

    The White House says Xi agreed to the move, long sought by the US, during a dinner on Saturday between the two leaders on the margins of the Group of 20 summit in Buenos Aires, Argentina.

    US officials for years have been pressing the Chinese government to take a tougher stance against fentanyl, which is 50 times more powerful than heroin. Most US supply of the drug is manufactured in China.

    White House press secretary Sarah Sanders says the decision means that “people selling fentanyl to the United States will be subject to China’s maximum penalty under the law”.

  21. Roger

    Essendon Football Club directors want to ditch traditional titles such as “chairman” and “deputy chairman” in favour of “president’ and other gender-neutral terms as part of an effort to modernise the club and make it more inclusive.

    I don’t suppose “chief wanker” and “deputy chief wanker” would qualify as gender neutral?

  22. calli

    We had the same problem with angels Nic.

    Improvisation rules.

  23. John Constantine

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2018-05-22/deadly-chinese-fentanyl-is-creating-a-new-era-of-drug-kingpins

    “For years, fentanyl-related overdose deaths never exceeded a few thousand. Then, in 2014, the drugs killed more than 5,000 people. By September 2017, they accounted for more than 26,000 deaths, half the opioid total. One of the seeds of demand had been sown in the 1990s, when doctors began overprescribing legal painkillers like OxyContin. Abusers eventually turned to their stronger cousin, heroin. That in turn created an opening for dealers to offer fentanyl.

    The drug is potent almost beyond comprehension — and that’s what changes the game. It’s prescribed by the millionth of a gram. Two milligrams, the equivalent of seven poppy seeds, can kill. It’s often crudely diluted, which makes it difficult for illicit users to determine how much ”

    “entanyl’s astronomical profit margins have driven its rapid spread. When Gibbons and Metcalf went undercover, they bought a kilogram from China for $3,800, which, when turned into tablet form, could fetch on the street up to $30 million. Compare that with a kilo of heroin, which wholesales for about $50,000 in Gulfport and generates a profit of just $200,000.

    “Fentanyl is a smuggler’s dream,” said Scott Stewart, a former U.S. State Department special agent who’s a vice president at Stratfor, a global intelligence firm. “It’s compact. It’s valuable. It’s fantastic for the smugglers and it’s terrible for law enforcement.”

    There’s no need to grow vast fields of opium poppies, which must be defended against weather, competitors and government eyes. Raw materials and equipment are cheap. Synthesis takes about a week and requires neither heat nor skills more sophisticated than following a recipe. And in recent years, rogue chemists have unearthed instructions for analogues that researchers discovered decades ago but never put into legitimate use. Sellers offer these variations before governments can outlaw them. Potency ”

    Comrade Maaaaates.

  24. John Constantine

    Peoples Liberation Army fentanyl killing thousands of Americans a week and savaging the flyover economies.

    Sounds like a chemical weapon to me.

    Their left don’t seem to care that there are plenty of American states where the chemical weapons deployed by the Tyrant of all the chicoms kill more Americans than guns do.

    Their slimy left simply and unswervingly mouth their groupthink.

    Comrades.

  25. Nick

    We had the same problem with angels Nic.

    Lol. I should have known.

  26. JC

    John

    You really think that if the US prevents the importation of those drugs from China, the Mexican cartels will respect the US/China agreement and not begin production. Moreover, domestic production won’t occur either?

  27. johanna

    Elle
    #2877113, posted on December 2, 2018 at 1:44 pm

    Hair appointment yesterday. The young girl – about 16 years of age – helping out in the salon was telling everyone about her participation in the rally on “climate change” that took place in Martin Place during the week. She said “it was like so cool like so many people were there – teachers and students – like it was awesome like you know.” She went on to say “like it was revealing to see what students didn’t attend because their parents like didn’t let them. Like old people are like ruining this planet.” All said while checking her mobile phone. And most likely she arrived at work in her parent’s big car, while planning their next trip overseas … along side climate change preacher Al Gore.

    She sounds like a great candidate for the latest reality TV hit, where an Australian who is apparently very good at her job revives failing US hair salons.

    One of her first rules is not to be anything but professional and neutral when interacting with clients.

    If some know-nothing SJW tried to harangue me while I was getting my hair done, I would leave and let the management know why.

  28. Confused Old Misfit

    Their left don’t seem to care that there are plenty of American states where the chemical weapons deployed by the Tyrant of all the chicoms kill more Americans than guns do.

    The left want the libertarian dream of free unfettered access to whatever you want. As long as you want what they say you can have. If drugs will keep you happy and content, docile and pliable then drugs you shall have.
    I’m all right with that. I do, however, object strongly to having to pay for cleaning up the detritus of the habitues. If they were left entirely to their own devices the problem would be self limiting.

  29. JC

    What’s a bigger killer than opioids in the US?

    Booze of course.

    An estimated 88,000 people (approximately 62,000 men and 26,000 women8) die from alcohol-related causes annually, making alcohol the third leading preventable cause of death in the United States.

  30. John Constantine

    The Mexican cartels get their precursor chemicals from the chicoms.

    The New range of marijuana derived painkillers and self medication products may well fill in the gap.

    Everything you learned about marijuana at university may be wrong.

    I reckon it won’t kill fifty thousand Americans like the other stuff, the legal marijuana states don’t seem to have the fentanyl deaths.

    That is without the new range of cannaboid medications.

  31. johanna

    Oh, and Steve Trickler, love your vids.

    Tangerine Dream are awesome. I saw them when they performed in the Albert Hall in Canberra. There may or may not have been mind altering drugs involved, but if so, they were low level.

    They played Rubycon, a masterpiece.

    Me, a Led Zep fan who loved hard rock and stagecraft, sat awed as these three Chermans sat in front of consoles and produced extraordinary music. Wow.

    What with Kraftwerk and the Dream, the Cherman contribution to modern music is immense. And I haven’t even mentioned Einsturzende Neubaten till now. 🙂

  32. John Constantine

    I also reckon zero calorie non fattening marijuana beverages, in reliable doses, in trendy packaging will be a massive disruptor to the slops level booze market.

    Blokes drink where chicks drink, and zero calorie will reel the chicks in.

  33. memoryvault

    Hi Joanna.

    Long time no see.
    Welcome back.

  34. Infidel Tiger

    An estimated 88,000 people (approximately 62,000 men and 26,000 women8) die from alcohol-related causes annually, making alcohol the third leading preventable cause of death in the United States.

    Those stats are of course meaningless.

    The majority of Americans drink. Opioids wipe out all who touch them.

    I read an essay the other day about Philly smack. Opioid addiction is the greatest American challenge since the Civil War. Perhaps more so.

  35. JC

    John C

    A decent part of the Mexican economy is based on drug exporting. I’d be a little shocked if they were unable to manufacture the base chemicals needed to make what the US consumer wants.

  36. Rae

    Good luck finding a virgin on the Central Coast too

    Last I heard, Lotus Eater Land at Port Stephens is not on the Central Coast. But, I daresay virgins are in short supply in that locale north of Newcastle too. Especially virgins with a newborn.

  37. JC

    Artie

    We heard the exact same message about the “crack epidemic”. I’m sure more people will die, but the idea that the prez can kill both the supply and demand of this junk is ludicrous.

    People like taking drugs. It’s that simple.

  38. memoryvault

    I’m probably wrong, but I was under the impression that in most cases of deaths caused by Fentanyl, the drug had been legally supplied on prescription.

  39. Infidel Tiger

    “In April 2003, Australian troops boarded the freighter Pong Su – owned by North Korea but flying a Tuvalu flag of convenience – and recovered nearly 125 kilograms of heroin that had been previously landed by inflatable boat on a beach in the state of Victoria.

    Four North Korean nationals, including the ship’s political officer, were subsequently tried and deported. The North Korean government denied any knowledge of the illegal cargo.”

    Wonder if anyone on this thread can elaborate on this exercise? I heard a bit of hijinx went down.

  40. mh

    Mutty Merkel is concerned:

    …German Chancellor Angela Merkel, who was also attending the G20, spoke for many when she urged progress.

    “We all realise that we are indirectly influenced by the fact that Sino-American economic relations are not running as smoothly as a world order needs,” she said.

    Hey Ang, the Don is interested in a re-order, not trying to keep the Chi-Com theft going. You cow.

    https://www.couriermail.com.au/business/work/donald-trumps-trade-war-showdown-with-chinas-leader-xi-jinping-leads-to-partial-truce/news-story/14322c77ecbd65a5990fd65836c50577

  41. Makka

    Wayne Bennett gone.

    He’s been gorn more times than John Farnham.

  42. Infidel Tiger

    We heard the exact same message about the “crack epidemic”. I’m sure more people will die, but the idea that the prez can kill both the supply and demand of this junk is ludicrous.

    Crack was a very ghettoised drug that never really took off except among a few black americans communities. The scourge ended when they all died. That’s how it ended. All the crack heads died. They didn’t come to their senses and quit, they died.

    Opioids is ravaging America in the same way but on an unprecedented scale.

    In a righteous world all bankers would be jailed and big pharma executed.

  43. Rae

    I’m probably wrong, but I was under the impression that in most cases of deaths caused by Fentanyl, the drug had been legally supplied on prescription.

    Fentanyl and other drugs of addiction can be easily bought on line without a prescriptiion in the USA.

  44. Infidel Tiger

    Any doctor that has prescribed ADHD medication or opioids to people who dont really need them should be killed.

    We need to execute so many medical people to restore righteousness.

  45. John Constantine

    https://worldview.stratfor.com/article/chinese-connection-flood-mexican-fentanyl

    “The illicit manufacture and distribution of fentanyl, like methamphetamine, is lucrative for the Mexican cartels. They manufacture it in their own labs using precursor chemicals imported from China and reap huge profits smuggling it into the United States. Fentanyl’s potency (it is many times stronger than heroin) allows the cartels to deal in smaller shipments, boosting the return on trafficking. It would take 50 kilograms (110 pounds) or so of heroin to equal the dosage from 1 kilogram of fentanyl.”

  46. Tel

    Wonder if anyone on this thread can elaborate on this exercise? I heard a bit of hijinx went down.

    The ship went down, probably the final hostile act of an F-111 … if that counts as “hijinx” in your book.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/4837484.stm

    The North Koreans doing their time in Australian prisons probably get better food, medicine and education than they do back home. They will apply for asylum at some stage.

  47. Mitch M.

    John

    You really think that if the US prevents the importation of those drugs from China, the Mexican cartels will respect the US/China agreement and not begin production. Moreover, domestic production won’t occur either?

    If not China it will be someone else. This isn’t just about opioids. 13% of the USA is on antidepressants that is a huge con job by the medical profession and Big Pharma because for 80-90% of those the effect is placebo. Children are being placed on antidepressants and even worse antipsychotics. FFS are there any sane people left over there?

    There are increasing concerns about so many being placed on statin drugs when the risk, if it even exists, becomes very low for the cholesterol levels at which it is now being prescribed. The recent lowering of the high blood pressure threshold means that whatever you do don’t have an argument with your partner or teenage children prior to having a reading done because they’ll have you on a beta blocker before you get to your car.

    There is a wider problem here that relates to the culture of the USA: they want a quick fix for everything. Even Trump betrays that naivete with all those promises about how quickly he was going to fix this or that. It’s steeped in their culture and it is fucking them up.

  48. John Constantine

    “But the vast majority of the drug on U.S. streets comes from laboratories in Mexico, including some industrial-scale facilities dubbed “super labs” by U.S. law enforcement. The Mexican chemists are able to produce meth that is both less expensive and of higher quality than that from other sources, allowing them to corner the U.S. market.

    However, this volume of production would not be possible without the precursor chemicals they receive from overseas, principally from China. The same contacts the Mexican cartels use to acquire meth precursors also supply the compounds needed to manufacture fentanyl. Likewise, the cartels use largely the same methods and networks they developed for smuggling meth to traffic fentanyl. Because it’s simpler to synthesize fentanyl than to make methamphetamine, cartel chemists can easily switch to production of the opioid. Additionally, some cartels, especially those that don’t control the ports through which chemical precursors are brought in, import large quantities of finished fentanyl.”

  49. Infidel Tiger

    If not China it will be someone else. This isn’t just about opioids. 13% of the USA is on antidepressants that is a huge con job by the medical profession and Big Pharma because for 80-90% of those the effect is placebo. Children are being placed on antidepressants and even worse antipsychotics. FFS are there any sane people left over there?

    The path to righteousness is executing all bankers and all pharma execs.

    They have ruined the world.

  50. calli

    Adelaide-born man trained alongside Osama Bin Laden in Afghanistan in 2001
    He sent letters to his family decribing the September 11 mastermind as ‘lovely

    I find it difficult to rustle up sympathy for Hicks.

    Perhaps Bandanaman, that other 9/11 apologist, could employ his ThoughtBrother.

  51. Death Giraffe

    Well, I still don’t know if it works, but it sure looks good:


  52. John Constantine

    “n terms of scope, even if fentanyl imported from all other sources were halted altogether, it would not end the threat coming from Mexico. Unless the stream of precursor chemicals to Mexico is interrupted, its cartels are capable of producing more than enough of the drug to meet U.S. demand. In this way, fentanyl mirrors meth. In both cases, halting the flow of their precursors is the key to halting their manufacture. Unfortunately, corruption and lawlessness in Mexico gives the cartels a great deal of latitude. As with methamphetamine, so long as the cartels can obtain the necessary chemicals, they will be able to synthesize the drugs that permit them to bribe officials, buy weapons and pay their gunmen. In the meantime, all U.S. authorities can do is try their best to limit the deadly tide, while deploying the medication naloxone more widely to try to save the lives of the rising number of fentanyl overdose patients.”

    Trump goes for the chicom precursor source chemicals for the chemical weapons Be revolutionary if he cuts the red tape on the cannaboid painkiller new generation stuff as well.

  53. C.L.

    Crack was a very ghettoised drug that never really took off except among a few black americans communities.

    Tony Soprano encountered the culture … while it lasted:

  54. Harlequin Decline

    I was in New York in 1979 and mixing with various nationalities. A French guy expressed amazement at the amount of illegal drugs he saw being snorted, smoked, injected and swallowed.

    He said ‘God knows how the kids are going to turn out’

  55. zyconoclast

    From ‘some’ to ‘almost half’

    5.3 Some temporary migrants become permanent

    Various waves of reforms, from the introduction of the points test in the 1970s to the increased
    focus on skills in the 1990s and the prioritisation of employer-sponsored individuals in the 2000s
    have increasingly required migrants to prove their commitment and skills before they are granted
    permanent residency. This has resulted in those migrants granted permanent residency having
    average skill levels and productivity higher than the non-migrant workforce, on average
    (Hawthorne 2011; Gregory 2014; Parham et al. 2015).
    These days, almost half of the individuals granted permanent residency are already in Australia on a
    temporary visa. The pathway through temporary visa categories to permanent residence is highly
    varied, with more than 5,500 different pathways identified.

  56. C.L.

    The root of nearly all drug evil in the US is the cultural destruction of marriage and the family.
    You know what was cheaper and infinitely superior as an immunisation against despair?
    Shame. Good old-fashioned shame.

  57. zyconoclast

    Of the 946,000 individuals who were employed on a 457 visa between 2000-01 and 2013-14,
    55 per cent eventually transitioned to permanent residence (Figure 18). For those who transitioned
    to permanent residence, 25 per cent did so within around one and a half years, and 75 per cent did
    so within three and three quarter years.

  58. Infidel Tiger

    Can you believe we allow the pharma stormtroopers and the Medico nazis to drug our boys as soon as they show any spirit?

    Anyone who has ever prescribed ADHD medication must be executed. It’s a societal must.

  59. Tel

    Could we bring in 457 visas to replace the people in Canberra? There’s got to be someone in the world genuinely competent … we could consider sending head hunting expeditions.

  60. Infidel Tiger

    The root of nearly all drug evil in the US is the cultural destruction of marriage and the family.
    You know what was cheaper and infinitely superior as an immunisation against despair?
    Shame. Good old-fashioned shame.

    100% true.

    Also the more we talk of depression, transgenderism, autism etc the more it appears. It’s nothing more than mass hysteria.

  61. Makka

    These days, almost half of the individuals granted permanent residency are already in Australia on a
    temporary visa. The pathway through temporary visa categories to permanent residence is highly
    varied, with more than 5,500 different pathways identified.

    Correct and much of those begin their path as “students.” It’s quite a nice setup. Not only do the immigrant hordes keep a lid firmly clamped down on wages growth, local corps get an easy ride with foregoing development and training costs of Aussie youngsters. No wonder Business is fully committed to big immigration and Big ‘Straya.

  62. Mitch M.

    Trump goes for the chicom precursor source chemicals for the chemical weapons Be revolutionary if he cuts the red tape on the cannaboid painkiller new generation stuff as well.

    Same old drug war logic. There are plenty of opioids available and people will reach for those. You won’t stop the precursors you won’t stop the drug usage. The demand is way too high.

    If the recent studies are to be believed the single best strategy to reduce opioid dependence is the legalisation of recreational marijuana. But for Big Pharma already well into the cannabinoid business they would suffer huge hits if doctors started telling their patients try vaping this before taking this pill. There was a recent study which claimed that nearly half of all individuals who started using recreational cannabis gave up or radically reduced the prescription drug intake. The pharmacology was always there for people to read but who wants to admit that they were so wrong they prevented millions of people finding relief by growing a plant in their backyard?

  63. stackja

    2GB Jim Molan wants ScoMo to help him with preselection.

  64. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    I find it difficult to rustle up sympathy for Hicks.

    David Hicks was captured, with no entitlement whatsoever, to any protection under the Geneva Convention. The Northern Alliance troops, who took him prisoner, could have quite lawfully shot him out of hand. Instead, they sold his sorry ar$e to the Americans, who threw him into Guantanamo Bay.

    Big boy’s game, big boy’s rules.

  65. zyconoclast

    There is considerable evidence pointing to the role of migrants in sustaining or fostering strong economic growth over the longer term.
    The 2015 Intergenerational Report (Australian Government 2015) estimated that, over the 40 years to 2015, population factors contributed almost 18 per cent of the 1.7 per cent annual average growth in GDP per person. This was mainly due to the growth in the working age share of the population. This suggests that migration helped the economy successfully weather the Global Financial Crisis and the slow global growth and poor economic conditions that followed. GDP per person provides a better measure of living standards than total GDP. However, steady positive movements in total GDP also bring benefits in their own right by creating a stable and positive macroeconomic environment. Such an environment increases the level of certainty that people and businesses have in making decisions and improves efficiency in the allocation of resources across the economy.
    Migrants have contributed to both Australia’s total GDP and GDP per person. Just like total GDP, GDP per person has been rising over time (Figure 21).

    In addition, the increased diversity that migrants bring is likely to play an important role in helping
    Australian businesses to innovate in the face of intensified global competition and technological
    change.

  66. Boambee John

    COM

    The left want the libertarian dream of free unfettered access to whatever you want.

    Except your choice of the Christian religion, free speech, or guns.

  67. Mitch M.

    David Hicks was captured, with no entitlement whatsoever, to any protection under the Geneva Convention. The Northern Alliance troops, who took him prisoner, could have quite lawfully shot him out of hand. Instead, they sold his sorry ar$e to the Americans, who threw him into Guantanamo Bay.

    Because of the compassion his captors demonstrated Hicks was denied a top 5 listing in the Darwin Awards.

  68. Confused Old Misfit

    zyconoclast
    #2877278, posted on December 2, 2018 at 7:08 pm

    Legal Migrants. yes.
    Illegal migrants NO.

  69. Makka

    Migrants have contributed to both Australia’s total GDP and GDP per person. Just like total GDP, GDP per person has been rising over time (Figure 21).

    Where has that GDP been going?

    https://edge.alluremedia.com.au/uploads/businessinsider/2018/09/wages-Vs-Profits-UBS.jpg

  70. C.L.

    That’s correct.
    Hicks was an illegal combatant and could quite legally have been shot in situ.
    All terrorists are unlawful combatants, of course. They have no rights whatsoever.

  71. stackja

    Female sport finally getting recognised in Australia
    Jessica Halloran, The Sunday Telegraph
    December 1, 2018 1:11pm
    Subscriber only

    When Alyssa Healy was a little girl she didn’t know that women could play cricket for Australia.
    “I didn’t even know there was an Australian team,” Healy said.

  72. Fat Tony

    Death Giraffe – I just watched your video. I thought you were cleaning up the boat anchor prior to pulling it to pieces to clean and check the internals.
    Then you spray-painted it……
    Obviously, you are just putting the Model A together just for show, you are not going to actually start it.

  73. C.L.

    Can you believe we allow the pharma stormtroopers and the Medico nazis to drug our boys as soon as they show any spirit?

    It mirrors what the angry lezzo Family ‘Court’ and the alimony racket do to men.
    Same situation in the US.
    The drugging of boys is a hate crime. Culprits should be imprisoned.

  74. Tel

    David Hicks was captured, with no entitlement whatsoever, to any protection under the Geneva Convention. The Northern Alliance troops, who took him prisoner, could have quite lawfully shot him out of hand.

    The Afghan tribes never signed the Geneva Convention. I think it might be difficult to explain the concept to them.

    Instead, they sold his sorry ar$e to the Americans, who threw him into Guantanamo Bay.

    Ahhh, but the Americans did sign the Geneva Convention, so those protections would have started when he became a prisoner of the USA. Also, what Hicks did was not (at the time) illegal under either Australian law, or US law. It has since been made illegal, but Hicks eventually pled guilty to retrospective crimes.

    I don’t ask anyone to think of Hicks as a great guy, but I do ask for a moment’s thought into what happens when governments can invent crimes and apply them retrospectively. No one is safe after that.

  75. Bruce of Newcastle

    There is considerable evidence pointing to the role of migrants in sustaining or fostering strong economic growth over the longer term.

    Be nice to see a breakdown by:

    – country of origin of the migrants
    – religion of the migrants

    Would be extremely illuminating, I suspect.

  76. C.L.

    To me, GHWB was the last of the old, great America – the embodiment of its greatest impulses and instincts. The advent of Clinton – a man like Bush Sr in the sense that he perfectly embodies a generation (of morally adrift deadbeats) – was the beginning of the end.

  77. JC

    Can you believe we allow the pharma stormtroopers and the Medico nazis to drug our boys as soon as they show any spirit?

    Anyone who has ever prescribed ADHD medication must be executed. It’s a societal must.

    The school tried that on our boy. They reckoned he was too agile and couldn’t focus nor stay still for class, so they told wifey to get him evaluated by a quack who quickly diagnosed ADHD.

    I’m proud of the gal, because she was relentless. She told the quack and the school the kid was not going anywhere near those things and if they weren’t able to manage the boy, she would find another school. Nearly all the boys in his class were being fucking medicated to counter ADHD. He was just a boy being a boy and turned out fine.

  78. Tel

    Hicks was an illegal combatant and could quite legally have been shot in situ.

    What exactly makes some combatants legal, and others illegal? In those tribal areas everyone carries a gun, it’s just the normal thing to do, and a perfectly reasonable thing at that. No one wears a uniform because why would they?

  79. johanna

    Here is a link to Trump’s online whisperer. It’s long (1 hr 13 mins) but well worth it.

    Brad Parscale probably has an IQ of 180+, is nevertheless humble, and put together the Trump online campaign during both the primaries and the Presidential campaign. He explains in plain English how they did that. Along the way, he explains how databases work, and how they are used.

    He’s a remarkble man. Not only did he synthesise all the available data, he put together a team who made it work. Not just theory, but practice.

    The numbers are mind-boggling – thousands of campaign messages which were constantly being refined.

    Interestingly, Facebook was a major weapon, being cheap or free and having a huge reach. FB execs must be spewing.

    He’s a lot like Trump in that he is open about what he is doing – but always has something up his sleeve.

    An interesting point was where the interviewer asked him if they targeted black or Hispanic neighbourhoods. No, not at all, we targeted individuals.

    The Donald is very lucky to have this guy.

  80. Infidel Tiger

    I have a lot of respect GHWB. Far less for his sons.

  81. cohenite

    Hicks is a slime; and his frog-faced father is slime too. And whatever else Dick smith does he can’t avoid the fact that he gave $50k to hick’s defence.

  82. Fisky

    The 2015 Intergenerational Report (Australian Government 2015) estimated that, over the 40 years to 2015, population factors contributed almost 18 per cent of the 1.7 per cent annual average growth in GDP per person

    But Australia’s GDP per capita growth has collapsed since John Howard started ramping up immigration levels around 2003. Our productivity is a joke!

  83. Infidel Tiger

    If you think all cultures and immigrants are fungible you are an idiot who should be shot.

    The greatest disaster that has beset the western world is that they listened to witch doctor economists who believed that immigration was the answer to all problems

  84. JC

    If the root of the problem in the US is the modern leftism, why hasn’t the opioid epidemic struck here in the same proportion? It’s not as though we don’t suffer the same leftist pathology.

    In 2016 ~1,000 Australians died from opioid abuse. Adjusting for population size our figure should have been 4,500.

    Can I suggest something that may sound silly. Could some of the problem by weather related? The concentration of the problem in the US is in the northeast, mid and upper mid-west, I read. The winters are fucking miserable and you avoid going outside. If you’re jobless etc. or don’t have much of a social life, being stuck indoors for 8 months of the year is pretty freaking depressing.

  85. Leigh Lowe

    Breaking…
    Anthony Mundane to code-hop again and is set to turn the world of lawn bowls on it’s head.

  86. Leigh Lowe

    I checked the symptoms of ADHD.
    Pretty sure I fitted the frame when I was a kid.
    Probably still do.

  87. Snoopy

    The winters are fucking miserable and you avoid going outside. If you’re jobless etc. or don’t have much of a social life, being stuck indoors for 8 months of the year is pretty freaking depressing.

    I wonder how many of these people have a vitamin D deficiency which causes depression and other shit?

  88. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Hicks is a slime; and his frog-faced father is slime too. And whatever else Dick smith does he can’t avoid the fact that he gave $50k to hick’s defence.

    Dick Smith contributed to David Hick’s defence because he thought David Hicks wasn’t getting a “fair go.” FMS.

  89. stackja

    Are doctors and teachers confusing immaturity and attention deficit?
    December 1, 2018

    The youngest children in a given class at school are more likely to be diagnosed with an attention deficit disorder than those older than them, according to an American study triggering renewed debate on overdiagnosing.

    The topic is a heated one in the United States, where five percent of children aged two to 17 took prescription drugs for attention deficit/hyperactivity disorder (ADHD) in 2016.

    The youngest are those most affected, with a 50 percent increase in diagnoses for children aged two to five between 2007 and 2012.

    Around 400,000 children aged four to seven were surveyed for the study, published this week in the New England Journal of Medicine.

    In an innovative approach, the researchers compared children born in August to those born in September living in US states that have a strict age limit demanding that children be at least five years old by September 1 in order to enter school that year.

    Teachers are often the first to report attention problems, but the youngest children can show symptoms similar to ADHD—such as lack of concentration and distraction—that are simply due to their immaturity.

    There is no absolutely objective test for ADHD. The diagnosis is based on a subjective analysis, which explains why teachers’ opinions are important.

    The study backs similar prior findings in the United States and other countries.

    The study’s authors therefore urge teachers to use caution and patience.

  90. JC

    Let’s not overdo the Bush love because the old man is dead. He was no saint. He epitomized cuckery. The dude who said,

    “Read my lips, no new taxes”

    Raised taxes just after the Gulf War when the left put him under pressure.

    It’s the one thing that saw him defeated after his first term that ushered in bubba.
    Also, that schmoozing with the fucking Clintons was truly awful. He made the mistake most nominal righties do and that is to suck up to the left, which is an example of going full retard.. and you never go full retard.

  91. JC

    I wonder how many of these people have a vitamin D deficiency which causes depression and other shit?

    Could be. I’m just putting it out there. Fuck me, one winter in Buttfuck Ohio and I’d be thinking of killing myself too.
    In all seriousness though, there’s really not a lot to do during the winters in those parts and it would be an awful existence. Late spring and early Autumn are gorgeous though.

  92. stackja

    Linda Silmalis, Miranda Wood and Annika Smethurst, The Sunday Telegraph
    December 2, 2018 12:00am
    Subscriber only

    IT may have been an innocent catch-up among two Liberal Lefties, but the sighting of former deputy leader Julie Bishop and party powerbroker Michael Photios deep in conversation over dim sum at Mr Wong last Friday night set tongues wagging.

    With the ScoMo government in turmoil, nervous observers were asking if Bishop was hatching a rescue plan with one of the party’s chief numbers men.

    One Liberal source did not rule out a leadership tilt but “after” the election.

    However a source close to the former foreign minister said the odds were on Bishop retiring. “She will retire at a time of her choosing when she can choose her successor,” they said.

  93. Percy Popinjay

    an example of going full retard.. and you never go full retard

  94. Infidel Tiger

    If the root of the problem in the US is the modern leftism, why hasn’t the opioid epidemic struck here in the same proportion? It’s not as though we don’t suffer the same leftist pathology.

    It’s happening here, but not as badly yet. Big Pharma doesn’t control us quite as severely. Also opioids are ravaging former manufacturing towns in the US. Australia never made shit to begin with and our people are used to being lazy layabouts with no self worth. In American culture that is unusual and requires medication.

    OTOH meth is a far bigger problem in Oz.

  95. Snoopy

    I’m proud of the gal, because she was relentless. She told the quack and the school the kid was not going anywhere near those things and if they weren’t able to manage the boy, she would find another school.

    A very similar story to my granddaughter. Fortunately my daughter stood her ground. Next year the girl has a scholarship to a private high school.

  96. JC

    Leigh Lowe
    #2877307, posted on December 2, 2018 at 7:41 pm

    I checked the symptoms of ADHD.
    Pretty sure I fitted the frame when I was a kid.
    Probably still do.

    I do too, or at least wifey reckons I do because I drift away often times when she’s talking. 🙂

    It’s not a bad way to be. It also works for trading, because there’s very intense hard thinking in spurts and then you can wonder off for extended periods of time.

  97. Empire 5:5

    johanna
    #2877297, posted on December 2, 2018 at 7:28 pm
    Here is a link to Trump’s online whisperer. It’s long (1 hr 13 mins) but well worth it.

    I concur.

  98. JC

    A very similar story to my granddaughter. Fortunately my daughter stood her ground. Next year the girl has a scholarship to a private high school.

    Good to hear. Parents are a kid’s best hope of figuring out what is going wrong. Sheilas are great at protecting their kids, it’s their best attribute, by and large.

  99. Crossie

    One Liberal source did not rule out a leadership tilt but “after” the election.

    In which universe do these people think that the Coalition will win the next election and allow the Skeleton to do the Turnbull on ScoMo? I just don’t see the stiletto owner settling for the leader of the opposition. What’s more likely is that Nationals may end up with more seats and Barnaby becoming the leader.

  100. Makka

    Fortunately my daughter stood her ground.

    My SIL and BIL didn’t, they caved. The young bloke was on ADHD drugs from about 7 until early teens. The side effects we observed besides the haunted dull look were loss of appetite and stunted growth. The reason we thought he was so hyper was because his father basically ignored him and eventually there was a split with the SIL. Traumatised the poor kid. He’s early 20’s now and getting his shit together and physically in good shape. Doctors and their drugs.

  101. Empire 5:5

    Let’s not overdo the Bush love because the old man is dead. He was no saint. He epitomized cuckery.

    Nothing wrong with bush love. Bring back the bush.

    As for 41, he’ll be pretty damn hot right about now.

    Apparently before he expired he asked for Jeb to be a pall bearer – so he could let him down again.

  102. rickw

    In addition, the increased diversity that migrants bring is likely to play an important role in helping
    Australian businesses to innovate in the face of intensified global competition and technological
    change.

    Cultural diversity has a negative impact on productivity. Time is wasted having to explain norms, or mistakes are made because norms weren’t explained and were assumed. Intellectual diversity is unrelated to race or culture, and is genuinely useful.

    Essentially this is a completely BS argument. In any case, I am yet to see any culture or race that produces individuals that can consistently out perform Caucasians from Christian Societies.

    I work across a wide range of cultures and races and frankly sometimes behaviour is completely inexplicable. I was hammering a particular engineer today to get on the phone and get a permit approved, I checked that he was working this several times over the morning. I didn’t hear any report back on the permit being approved so assumed he had lucked out. After an afternoon on the tools I finally managed to check my emails. Permit approved at 12:00hrs and the fucker didn’t tell anyone.

    Next logical step failure in what is being imported into Australia is virtually baked in. We are definitely not going to kick any goals thanks to our migrant intake.

  103. Crossie

    However a source close to the former foreign minister said the odds were on Bishop retiring. “She will retire at a time of her choosing when she can choose her successor,” they said.

    Julie thinks she an aristocrat and the seat is hers to bequeath to whomever she wishes. Is her electorate sensible enough to disabuse her of that delusion?

  104. candy

    I tend to think attention deficit disorder is real but most likely part of another mental disorder. Perhaps bipolar or borderline personality.

    Someone who finds some stuff boring and can’t pay attention but succeeds, is smart, has a good job and is just simply successful I don’t think can be considered to have a disorder. They are just smart folk and need stimulation but will always do well.

  105. JC

    Empire

    He was an old fashioned gentleman – the very best America can produce. But you have to be either very strong to hold against the onslaught or a complete c..t. He was neither.

  106. DrBeauGan

    So lefties are killing themselves off on fentanyl? And some here think we should make it harder for them?

    Why?

  107. rickw

    So lefties are killing themselves off on fentanyl? And some here think we should make it harder for them?

    Why?

    Heck of a good question.

  108. JC

    Essentially this is a completely BS argument. In any case, I am yet to see any culture or race that produces individuals that can consistently out perform Caucasians from Christian Societies.

    The japs are pretty good, so are the Sth Koreans.

  109. Infidel Tiger

    If anyone ever tries to put your child or grandchild on ADHD medication…

    …Fuxk then up.

    An eye for an eye. Restore righteousness.

  110. Crossie

    Next logical step failure in what is being imported into Australia is virtually baked in. We are definitely not going to kick any goals thanks to our migrant intake.

    At least competent Americans will have somewhere to go when their open borders collapse their country and at the same time we have to import skilled workers.

  111. Snoopy

    Cyclone Owen predicted to miss Queensland coast
    BOM confirmed Tropical Cyclone Owen had indeed formed in the northern Coral Sea, but that it was not expected to make a telling impact on the state’s coast.

    On the upside BOM will still log Owen as an East Coast cyclone.

  112. Infidel Tiger

    So lefties are killing themselves off on fentanyl? And some here think we should make it harder for them?

    Why?

    No. Very normal people of no political affiliation are filling the vacuum in their lives that used to be a job, a family, the church and a community with pain killers.

    I know autism is over subscribed but if you can’t understand that, then you are very autistic.

  113. rickw

    The japs are pretty good, so are the Sth Koreans.

    The japs are good, I think the Koreans are more difficult to work with than the japs.

  114. Mitch M.

    If the root of the problem in the US is the modern leftism,

    Nuts. Europe. Why see everything through a political lens?

  115. Boambee John

    Tel
    #2877296, posted on December 2, 2018 at 7:26 pm
    Hicks was an illegal combatant and could quite legally have been shot in situ.

    What exactly makes some combatants legal, and others illegal? In those tribal areas everyone carries a gun, it’s just the normal thing to do, and a perfectly reasonable thing at that. No one wears a uniform because why would they?

    Under the Convention covering irregular forces, four conditions must be met.

    There must be a clear chain of command which can control the irregular forces.

    The chain of command must enforce the laws of war on its personnel.

    Weapons must be carried openly.

    A clearly recognisable uniform or distinguishing badge must be worn, to distinguish irregular combatants from civilians.

    Terrorists might sometimes meet the first and third conditions, but are unlikely to meet the fourth.

    The nature of terrorism is such that all, including the chain of command, routinely operate in breach of the second condition.

  116. Rae

    Brad Parscale probably has an IQ of 180+

    Ehh, probably not. Maybe 130 max IQ. He’ was a 6’8″ high school basketball player who got into university on a sports scholarship as a basketball player. Dipped out of his intended sports career with injuries, then enrolled at another university to get a business degree.

  117. Crossie

    Someone who finds some stuff boring and can’t pay attention but succeeds, is smart, has a good job and is just simply successful I don’t think can be considered to have a disorder. They are just smart folk and need stimulation but will always do well.

    When my daughter was in kindergarten I volunteered to assist with reading teaching in her class. There was one boy who was known to be restless and yet when he read with me he was miles ahead of other children. I reported my observations to the teacher and was pleased to hear later that he was transferred to a different school that had a gifted students program.

    That was some 35 years ago and ADHD drugs were still in the future.

  118. DrBeauGan

    No. Very normal people of no political affiliation are filling the vacuum in their lives that used to be a job, a family, the church and a community with pain killers.

    Have they tried reading books? Or watching sport? Or fixing up old cars? You really think that when faced with a vacuum in your life you’d turn to pain-killers to fix it? If so you’re a big-time loser and won’t be missed.

  119. Nick

    South Koreans are regarded as being the rudest of Asians

  120. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Weapons must be carried openly.

    IIRC – it’s been some years since I did the course – “Weapons must be carried openly, and operations conducted in accordance with the laws and customs of war.”

  121. Boambee John

    JC

    Can I suggest something that may sound silly. Could some of the problem by weather related? The concentration of the problem in the US is in the northeast, mid and upper mid-west, I read. The winters are fucking miserable and you avoid going outside. If you’re jobless etc. or don’t have much of a social life, being stuck indoors for 8 months of the year is pretty freaking depressing.

    At least 30 years ago a Pommy friend suggested that the strength of the national booze related to winter.

    Australians drink lager, Poms drink bitter, Scots drink whisky, Russians, Poles and Scandinavians drink what is essentially pure ethanol.

    The thesis is somewhat tainted by the stuff the Balkans favour.

  122. H B Bear

    This week on The Ticket: Australian sports fans have been asked to rank their teams. The top four stand out. They are all women’s teams. But does that translate to commercial value?

    The ALPFL can’t even charge for tickets to the lezzo league and it is going to cost the clubs millions to fund them – a defacto SJW tax for their licence.

  123. mh

    Nick
    #2877343, posted on December 2, 2018 at 8:17 pm
    South Koreans are regarded as being the rudest of Asians

    My vote goes to the Pakis.

  124. Boambee John

    Zulu at 2019

    See the first condition re chain of command and second condition re laws of war

  125. Mitch M.

    Have they tried reading books? Or watching sport? Or fixing up old cars? You really think that when faced with a vacuum in your life you’d turn to pain-killers to fix it? If so you’re a big-time loser and won’t be missed.

    Obviously you have not encountered the people in typically fall into opioid dependence. Read – you are an optimist. The only thing they fix is the bend in the spoon. The problem might a be a cultural shift in the last 20 years towards more passive entertainment. In the past we had to entertain ourselves. It is a disturbing fact that the habits acquired in our developmental years tend to stay with us for life and can be rather difficult to change. I think the last 2 generations have been subject to a developmental environment that is at odds with optimising human happiness but fortunately wise parents can prevent those dangers arising.

  126. Tintarella di Luna

    The Ghost who Squawks strikes again:

    Malcolm Turnbull intervenes over Scott Morrison’s proposal to save Craig Kelly


    GREG BROWN
    JOURNALIST
    0 MINUTES AGO DECEMBER 2, 2018138 COMMENTS
    Malcolm Turnbull has confirmed he told members on the executive of the NSW Liberal Party to defy Scott Morrison and vote against a proposal to save Craig Kelly by cancelling preselections on the state.

    After receiving enquiries from The Australian, Mr Turnbull said he did not think preselections should be cancelled, despite the urging from the Prime Minister.

    “Today I learned there was a move to persuade the State Executive to re-endorse Craig Kelly as Liberal candidate for Hughes in order to avoid a preselection – in other words to deny Liberal Party members in Hughes the opportunity to have their say,” Mr Turnbull tweeted.

    “Shortly after, my media adviser was contacted by The Australian and the Daily Telegraph about these discussions, so rather than wait for their version of events to be published tomorrow, I can state that I am strongly of the view that the normal democratic process should proceed.

    “It has been put to me that Mr Kelly has threatened to go to the cross bench and “bring down the government”. If indeed he has made that threat, it is not one that should result in a capitulation. Indeed it would be the worst and weakest response to such a threat.

    “It is time for the Liberal Party members in Hughes to have their say about their local member and decide who they want to represent them.”

    Moderate NSW Liberals are set to defy Scott Morrison and vote against a proposal to cancel pre-selections in the state in a move that could see Craig Kelly lose his spot in parliament.

    The Australian has confirmed Moderate Liberals on the state executive, including powerbroker Trent Zimmerman, have backflipped on their endorsement of a proposal that would save Mr Kelly from losing preselection in the Sydney seat of Hughes.

    The reaction was so negative in the faction to the Prime Minister’s request they changed their position.

    Moderates believe Mr Kelly will now still have to face a preselection battle as 90 per cent of the executive needs to support a preselection cancelation.

    Earlier, Scott Morrison saved Liberal MP Craig Kelly from the political abyss, with the NSW Liberal Party expected to tick off the Prime Minister’s request to re-endorse all sitting MPs.

    The Australian was told a deal has been hatched between the three major factions – the Moderates, the Centre-Right and the Right – that would save Mr Kelly from a likely preselection defeat from Moderate candidate Kent Johns.

    Mr Morrison was understood to have asked the state executive to re-endorse all sitting MPs, which will implicate Mr Kelly, Jason Falinksi, John Alexander and Lucy Wicks. Mr Kelly was the only of the MPs who was in danger of losing his preselection.

    The 23 members of the state executive will receive ballots on the vote tonight and a result is expected to be confirmed before parliament sits tomorrow morning. Lawyers are analysing the party’s constitution to ascertain whether the proposal needs the 50 per cent or 90 per cent backing of the executive to be successful.

    Moderate and conservative powerbrokers have both said the deal is likely to be waved through either way.

    A source close to the Prime Minister said: “we are endorsing four real Liberals tonight”.

    Mr Kelly last week added to the chaos of Mr Morrison’s government by leaving open the option of moving to the crossbench if he lost his preselection.

  127. Crossie

    I have a lot of respect GHWB. Far less for his sons.

    I on the other hand have more respect for his sons than him. George 41 had the new world order handed to him by Reagan’s successes yet he did little or nothing with it. He really stuffed up the First Gulf War which required his son later having to finish it after 9/11 attacks. I fear it was Pappa who advised W after the Second Gulf War to leave the Iraqi Republican Guard intact and ruin the peace.

    Jeb was good as governor of Florida but by the time he ran for Republican presidential primary everything had changed.

  128. DrBeauGan

    I know autism is over subscribed but if you can’t understand that, then you are very autistic.

    You’ve degenerated into calling people autists for the sin of not being sentimental fatheads. Oh how are the mighty fallen, IT.

    You sound like a woman. My suspicion is that you’ve had a sex change. Either that or you’ve let your wife loose on your computer.

  129. Death Giraffe

    I just watched your video. I thought you were cleaning up the boat anchor prior to pulling it to pieces to clean and check the internals.

    ..
    I will pull it apart after giving it a run and seeing how it goes. Take the head off and check the bores, and the sump off and check bearings. Might pull a piston or two, look at the rings.
    If required, or eventually.
    Long way from doing a rebuild, if required. Gotta finish the body first.
    I like painting stuff.
    Looks great eh?
    Chevrolet red. Better than the poxy green colour it is supposed to be.
    Just go with it man, I don’t like doing things in sequence.

  130. DrBeauGan

    Obviously you have not encountered the people in typically fall into opioid dependence. Read – you are an optimist. The only thing they fix is the bend in the spoon. The problem might a be a cultural shift in the last 20 years towards more passive entertainment. In the past we had to entertain ourselves. It is a disturbing fact that the habits acquired in our developmental years tend to stay with us for life and can be rather difficult to change. I think the last 2 generations have been subject to a developmental environment that is at odds with optimising human happiness but fortunately wise parents can prevent those dangers arising.

    We don’t need useless losers. More of them kill themselves off the better. The fact that 40% of trannies off themselves is a sign that they have some residual good judgment. It takes a while but eventually they work out they’re incurably sick.

  131. Death Giraffe

    Gotta buy a new water pump, do up the distributor, find a six volt battery, check the starter motor and alternator, buy a new coil.

  132. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    See the first condition re chain of command and second condition re laws of war

    Thanks for that, as I said, it’s been a few years since I did the course.

  133. Death Giraffe

    Get the carby rebuilt by an expert.
    I’m not touching that.
    I have fucked every carburettor I ever touched.

  134. Crossie

    Malcolm Turnbull has confirmed he told members on the executive of the NSW Liberal Party to defy Scott Morrison and vote against a proposal to save Craig Kelly by cancelling preselections on the state.

    I thought I read that the Liberals were going to throw Mal out of the party. When they get around to it they should evict his entire faction or the faction will disendorse everyone else including the voters.

  135. Tintarella di Luna

    I thought I read that the Liberals were going to throw Mal out of the party.

    Excise the cancer, the malignancy comprising the Phatt Photios Phaction of Phakes

  136. Robber Baron

    The japs are good, I think the Koreans are more difficult to work with than the japs.

    I have worked with most nationalities.

    I found the Japs, Thais, Italians, and Filipinos all pretty good to work with.

    I say avoid working with East Germans, Vietnamese, Cambodians, Africans, Arabs, Indians, Pakistanis, Bangladeshis and of course the French.

    I lived with Sth Koreans. They love a drink and fight. They are not too good at drinking but very good at fighting. I never worked with them but l have seen them show respect to senior staff.

    Avoid working for women. Women and power is like giving matches to arsonists. Avoid at all costs.

  137. DrBeauGan

    I have fucked every carburettor I ever touched.

    It’s an unusual taste, but whatever turns you on.

  138. John Constantine

    Can we crowd fund some fentanyl for the turnbullites?.

    They may need to sooth their nihilistic existential angst a little?.

  139. Confused Old Misfit

    The only thing they fix is the bend in the spoon.

    I’m with Dr. BG on this.

  140. mh

    This could be the bovine equivalent of toxic masculinity

  141. Mitch M.

    We don’t need useless losers. More of them kill themselves off the better.

    Unfortunately it is not a natural selection issue it is a cultural and parenting issue. There is something weird going on Dr. BG. I don’t understand it and when I read some of the reports in countries like Aus, USA, and Britain I am left perplexed because it seems we are creating cultural minefields and the collateral damage has implications for everyone not just those dying out. If anything they are not dying out they are increasing in number. Nor can it be explained genetically. While there has been a decades long view that mental illness is primarily genetically driven that concept has been very much demolished; especially in relation to depression and suicide. There is a genetic component but it is not enough, other factors are required and those factors seem to have much more causative power than genes. Rates of mental illness, developmental, and immunological disorders as diagnosed are rapidly climbing.

  142. Makka

    Excise the cancer, the malignancy comprising the Phatt Photios Phaction of Phakes

    That can only be done successfully by destroying the host;the Liberal Party.

    Turdball has very deep pockets and with elections looming can still exercise significant influence on policy with strategically placed donations to easily corrupted MP election campaigns. He doesn’t even need to be a member to pull that off.

  143. Infidel Tiger

    Over represented in opioid deaths are former military members. Or as you and I know them “useless losers”.

  144. C.L.

    Let’s not overdo the Bush love …

    True. “Thousand points of light.” Remember that?
    Here’s Trump on that during the presidential campaign:

    During a July 5 political rally in Montana, Trump attacked Bush, saying, “Thousand points of light, I never quite got that one.”

    “What the hell is that?” Trump said. “Has anyone ever figured that one out? And it was put out by a Republican, wasn’t it?

  145. Nick

    I have fucked every carburettor I ever touched.

    Beats sheep I spose.

  146. Tintarella di Luna

    That can only be done successfully by destroying the host;the Liberal Party.

    Yes the Liberal party is currently very much a curate’s egg – a split would be great — conservatives and Labor Lite

  147. Crossie

    Scott Morrison better come out swinging at Turnbull right now or there will be no government within a week.

  148. Death Giraffe

    . I don’t understand it and when I read some of the reports in countries like Aus, USA, and Britain I am left perplexed because it seems we are creating cultural minefields and the collateral damage has implications for everyone not just those dying out

    ..
    I will tell you precisely what it is.
    Outsourcing useful work to third world shitholes.
    The blowjob economy provides no meaningful work to men who want to make stuff.

  149. Candy

    Malcolm Turnbull won’t stop controlling/interfering until the conservatives are all deselected, and then the party begs him to come back or put Bishop up.

  150. Infidel Tiger

    GHWB was a very great man and a good President.

    His son was the greatest disaster in American history.

    We will be unpicking that disaster for at least a century.

  151. Eyrie

    Tel, you have it wrong. Hicks could have been legally shot out of hand under the provisions of the Geneva Convention.

  152. mh

    “Thousand points of light, I never quite got that one.”

    I would think Bush Snr was trying to give the impression of being enlightened. Thousand hand Buddha, etc

  153. Tintarella di Luna

    Malcolm Turnbull won’t stop controlling/interfering until the conservatives are all deselected, and then the party begs him to come back or put Bishop up.

    So much for Mr Private Citizen – a malicious venomous ghost haunting and hunting — calling Dr Venkman, urgent call for Dr Venkman.

  154. Crossie

    Who is the bald headed imbecile on Paul Murray Live insisting that Turnbull was more beloved by voters than Svomo or Abbott and that getting rid of him was a mistake?

  155. calli

    The blowjob economy provides no meaningful work to men who want to make stuff.

    “Working clean” isn’t all it’s cracked up to be.

  156. Mater

    Yes the Liberal party is currently very much a curate’s egg – a split would be great — conservatives and Labor Lite

    Or perhaps the LNP and The Turnbull Coalition Team.

  157. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Tel, you have it wrong. Hicks could have been legally shot out of hand under the provisions of the Geneva Convention.

    As was the Viet Cong officer, head of a murder squad, captured, in civilian clothing, during the Tet Offensive of 1968, and fulfilling none of the conditions to claim POW status under the Geneva Convention.

  158. Crossie

    I will tell you precisely what it is.
    Outsourcing useful work to third world shitholes.
    The blowjob economy provides no meaningful work to men who want to make stuff.

    Capitalism was not meant to be a national suicide vehicle. We have governments for the very reason to make sure that businesses do not harm the populace and outsourcing is harmful.

  159. Snoopy

    I have fucked every carburettor I ever touched.

    It’s an unusual taste, but whatever turns you on.

    It’s a throat thing.

  160. Mitch M.

    I will tell you precisely what it is.
    Outsourcing useful work to third world shitholes.
    The blowjob economy provides no meaningful work to men who want to make stuff.

    Synchronicity because earlier today I read a report which stated that for men life satisfaction is very much about meaningful work …

    Being satisfied at work is the main indicator of men’s wellbeing. Men who are the most satisfied at work are 47.4 percent more likely to have a positive mindset overall than those who are the least satisfied at work. The feeling of having a significant impact on the company is the most important reason for job satisfaction. This could suggest a positive step forward from the traditional role of “provider” and “breadwinner”, according to the report.

  161. dover_beach

    What exactly makes some combatants legal, and others illegal?

    Try here.

    In those tribal areas everyone carries a gun, it’s just the normal thing to do, and a perfectly reasonable thing at that. No one wears a uniform because why would they?

    Sure, but as soon as you take a shot at an enemy combatant while operating in a way that does not identify you according to the laws of war as a lawful combatant you become an illegal combatant.

  162. max

    Could some of the problem by weather related?

    A pommy writer I read once described New York as uninhabitable because of its weather.

    This from a pom.

  163. mh

    Trump calling a National Day Of Mourning sounds a bit OTT.

    IMHO.

  164. dover_beach

    A pommy writer I read once described New York as uninhabitable because of its weather.

    If he had in mind their humid summers, I agree.

  165. max

    South Koreans are regarded as being the rudest of Asians

    My vote goes to the Pakis.

    Who are the best lookers ?

  166. mh

    Who are the best hookers?

    Hmmm….I’ll have to think about that one.

  167. Pete of Perth

    Not a female in sight

  168. Confused Old Misfit

    Outsourcing useful work to third world shitholes.
    The blowjob economy provides no meaningful work to men who want to make stuff.

    And rewarding bad behavior, repeatedly, with sympathetic support.

  169. max

    Robert Byron thought Persians were among the ugliest and Afghanis the best in the looks department.

    A lot of Paki men have star quality IMO.

    Vietnamese girls in traditional dress look great.

  170. notafan

    I think you are right about the lack of meaningful work

  171. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Israeli police recommend indicting Benjamin Netanyahu on bribery charges

    AP
    An hour ago December 2, 2018
    2 Comments

    Israeli police have recommended indicting Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu on bribery charges involving Israel’s telecom giant.

    Police have established an evidentiary foundation to charge Netanyahu and his wife Sara with accepting bribes, fraud and breach of trust.

    The case revolves around suspicions that confidants of Netanyahu promoted regulations worth hundreds of millions of dollars to the Bezeq telecom company in exchange for positive coverage of the prime minister on Bezeq’s news website, Walla.

    Police have already recommended indicting Netanyahu on corruption charges in two other cases, one involving accepting gifts from billionaire friends, and the second over trading positive media coverage for advantageous legislation for a newspaper.

    Netanyahu has denied any wrongdoing, dismissing the accusations as a witch hunt orchestrated by the media.

    From the Oz.

  172. Fat Tony

    Snoopy
    #2877389, posted on December 2, 2018 at 9:30 pm
    I have fucked every carburettor I ever touched.

    It’s an unusual taste, but whatever turns you on.

    It’s a throat thing.

    A change from those guys who like rooting exhaust pipes…..

  173. Fat Tony

    Death Giraffe

    A bit of advice from a professional mechanical engineer and engine builder (45+years) – pull that fucking motor apart and clean, measure/check/crack test (where appropriate) every part and then carefully re-assemble it with well oiled components.

    When you do get it going, avoid prolonged idling as this is hard on the tops of the camshaft lobes.

    And yes, the Chevy red is quite nice.

  174. min

    For the thread re weather and mental illness and self medicating SADS Seasonal Affective Disorder Syndrome . Some people get depressed in winter when the days are shorter and lack of sunshine. I can remember on Alaska tour there were more
    Psychologists than drug stores in the Main Street. As it was my profession I inquired why was this so . SADS was not in DSM 111 in those days but there was a lot of depression and alcoholism.
    As for ADD and ADHD I was a teacher before and did not see ADOrADHD kids and likewise friends who were teachers and continued did not see this problem . Energetic little boys who were very restless but give them something to use up the energy seemed to help.
    However years later as a psychologist did see this problem. And often mothers were depressed.. What has changed ? Chemical polution , junk food, more tv , electronic equipment as well as other changes I cannot think of.

  175. Infidel Tiger

    Sounds like the Wilder vs Fury fight just saved boxing.

  176. Old School Conservative

    Year 10 grand-daughter is visiting from country NSW, up for a week’s work experience.
    We had a wonderful debate about global warming and climate change.
    She was passionate about saving the planet from frying and extreme weather events, but did listen to the other side of the facts from me – a good start.
    Played me a video her geography teacher showed them recently – a 13 year old girl lecturing a UN committee with emotive argument, pictures of glaciers falling into the sea, and images of polar bears on ice floes.
    She had never been told the facts of any of the above. Had never been told about the 18 year “pause” in global warming. Had never been told about the positive effects of carbon dioxide. Had never been asked to consider why the earth warmed and moved on from the ice ages.

    Just one story I know, but symptomatic of the brainwashing our kids are getting.

  177. Death Giraffe

    Thanks for the advice Tony.
    Don’t fuss man.
    I have rebuilt cats, Detroit, Ford, Toyota, Lister, Perkins, and that bloody thing that was in the Coastal Trader. None of them blew up.
    The A isn’t going to do more than a dozen or so miles a year.
    More a preservation job than anything.
    Relax and enjoy a rough bastard at work.
    PS.
    Do you have a ridge reamer you can lend me?

  178. Mitch M.

    For the thread re weather and mental illness and self medicating SADS Seasonal Affective Disorder Syndrome . Some people get depressed in winter when the days are shorter and lack of sunshine. I can remember on Alaska tour there were more

    SAD is a minor player, doesn’t really account for anything because people have been living in those climates forever but the opioid crisis is new. Need to find proximate causes not these wild guesses.

    SADS was not in DSM 111 in those days but there was a lot of depression and alcoholism.

    I sometimes say that depression and alcoholism are different sides of the same coin. Alcohol boosts then crashes serotonin and GABA.

    As for ADD and ADHD I was a teacher before and did not see ADOrADHD kids and likewise friends who were teachers and continued did not see this problem . Energetic little boys who were very restless but give them something to use up the energy seemed to help.

    ADD\ADHD is virtually non-existent in France. Very different mental health culture there, almost the opposite of the USA. Fell into a psychotherapy obsession with idiots like Lacan leading the way. They went too far in my view but not as damaging as the USA over reach with drug based therapies.

    However years later as a psychologist did see this problem. And often mothers were depressed.. What has changed ? Chemical polution , junk food, more tv , electronic equipment as well as other changes I cannot think of.

    Yes very difficult to nail that down. I have increasing concerns about the increase in neurodevelopmental disorders and cannot dismiss that to increased diagnosis. There is something else going on because immunological disorders, especially allergies and inflammatory mediated autoimmune disorders, are also on the increase. What is little appreciated is that immunology is fundamental to cerebral development. I think the problem may be “death by a thousand cuts” because while no single potentially toxic agent comes up strongly in the literature cumulatively the effects may be driving the increasing prevalence.

  179. zyconoclast

    The japs are pretty good, so are the Sth Koreans.

    They are even better than Europeans at the death spiral fertility rates.

    But they yet to succumb to the open borders suicide.

  180. Death Giraffe

    And we used to do Gardner marine engines too.

  181. min

    Mitch.M thanks for that information I am long retired but did train with Albert Ellis and also Tim Beck of BDI fame..
    The I am concerned about the number of young children given hormone treatment because they feel different. I heard numbers have gone up tenfold in NSW but WA up 350% but no actual figures . Interesting is it not that WA had many more children diagnosed with ADD/ADHD than other states years ago ?

  182. Mitch M.

    The I am concerned about the number of young children given hormone treatment because they feel different. I heard numbers have gone up tenfold in NSW but WA up 350% but no actual figures . Interesting is it not that WA had many more children diagnosed with ADD/ADHD than other states years ago ?

    In his book Beyond Human Nature the philosopher Prinz asks the question: are we priming people for depression? I think that is extensible beyond depression and it does raise some troubling questions about mental health and behavioral diagnosis. Scales with a metric focus on BDI do help but there is still a significant subjective element in play.

    ADD\ADHD diagnosis even correlates with time of year birth. Developmental rates vary across individuals, boys are a little slower than girls, so even 6 months may have significant behavioral implications.

    Worst case I heard was a friend took her 3 year old daughter to a pediatrician for an asthma related issue. Doctor got his appointments mixed up, within 5 minutes declared daughter definitely had ADHD. Friend very smart woman, abused the doctor and walked out. Daughter now doing her honour’s year and not on any drugs.

    You have probably heard of “intern syndrome”, particularly relevant to psych students and the internet has spread it far and wide. Learn about condition X, start seeing in self and others …. .

  183. Oh come on

    The ABC’s high profile coverage of the Israeli prime minister’s legal woes is straight-up anti-Semitism. There is no other reason why the leader of a remote and not especially significant country would attract such attention.

  184. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Apparently The Husar is thinking running as an independent.

    Fight, you bastards, fight. I hate peace.

  185. Viva

    The Oz reports:

    Malcolm Turnbull has urged Liberals to defy the PM to force an early election, saying Scott Morrison just wants to “keep his arse” in the prime ministerial car.

    He’s unhinged.

  186. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    He’s unhinged.

    Fuck off, Malcolm, you were one of the worst Prime Ministers this country has ever had – and I go back to the days of the Whitlam circus – you’ve probably ensured at least two terms of a Shorten Government – why don’t you just go back to your mansion, and wait for the incoming Labor Government to offer you the post of President of the first Republic of Australia?

  187. JC

    Ronery

    You’re drunk and mouthing off worse than usual . Go to bed.

  188. DrBeauGan

    Unfortunately it is not a natural selection issue it is a cultural and parenting issue.

    There is natural selection in cultures too. Those that don’t replicate themselves carefully and have no desire to survive don’t.

    I’m inclined to think we have too many hysterics, particularly in the education system. Life has been very easy on people who feel that they don’t deserve it.

  189. DrBeauGan

    Over represented in opioid deaths are former military members. Or as you and I know them “useless losers”.

    If they got onto opioids by way of pain management for damage caused in battle, it’s their medics who are the useless losers. But if they couldn’t confront adult life without having an internal vacuum they couldn’t handle, then yes. Gutless creeps and useless losers. We’ve got all we need.

  190. You’re drunk and mouthing off worse than usual . Go to bed.

    JC has “Ronny” derangement syndrome again.

    STFU & go drink a horlicks you senile old goat.
    Come back when you’re prepared to act like a grown man, fuckhead.

  191. DrBeauGan

    It’s not as if we don’t know for a fact that there are useless losers who’ve been in the military, and right at the top of it. One of those copes with his inner vacuum by wearing high heels and encouraging trannies.

    Pity he didn’t go for fentanyl instead.

  192. JC

    The saddest thing about you driller is the white knighting you do for the drunk as it just encourages him.

    Go clean the bar. For that matter don’t talk to me or anyone else like that again, you boofhead.

  193. Steve trickler

    Thumping music!

    Excellent clip.



  194. Mitch M.

    It’s not as if we don’t know for a fact that there are useless losers who’ve been in the military

    There definitely are and it may even be higher than the general population because there are notable incentives to join the armed forces that would not be attractive to people with degree and career prospects. We tend to get a romanticised view of the typical military type. Some years ago there was an interesting doco series of US military personnel and instead of all that patriotic crap that is typically dished out during interviews most of them made it plainly obvious they were in the military for the money and fringe benefits. It’s a job with many perks not found in other jobs.

  195. Go clean the bar. For that matter don’t talk to me or anyone else like that again, you boofhead.

    Whadaya gonna do.. . cry?
    Can’t take what you dish out? What a surprise.
    Come back when you’re prepared to act grown up.
    Until then, STFU.

  196. DrBeauGan

    There definitely are and it may even be higher than the general population because there are notable incentives to join the armed forces that would not be attractive to people with degree and career prospects

    I know there are also good men who have been in the military. Jupes for one, but several other Çats.. I can’t see them having problems with an inner vacuum.

  197. JC

    Don’t flatter yourself, driller. Yea, go clean the bar or better still go update your own popular blog and take Rones with you. Neither of you two losers will be missed. That I can assure you.

  198. Neither of you two losers will be missed.

    Who’d have ever thunk it?
    JC believes I have something in common with him.
    Wow!

  199. When Catallaxy brings in the obesity test, which will give a BMI we have to score below or our comment won’t be published, … that’ll be the end of JC… we’ll miss him so.

  200. JC

    You know that US gerbil warming report prepared by the US government for the US government.

    These were the assumptions they worked on to reach the conclusion that GDP in 2100 would be 10% lower than potential as a result of gerbiling.

    So where did those estimates come from? Basically from a worst-case scenario of temperature increase called in climate-speak Representative Concentration Pathway 8.5 (RCP 8.5). RCPs are four different greenhouse gas concentration trajectories used by climate modelers and adopted by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change for its fifth Assessment Report in 2014. Each makes different assumptions about population growth, economics, technological progress, and fossil fuel burning. RCP 8.5 implausibly assumes a global population of 12 billion by 2100, plus technological stagnation, slow economic growth, and consumption of fossil fuels at about 3 times current levels, with the result that atmospheric carbon dioxide concentrations reaches 950 ppm, up from 405 ppm now. In RCP 8.5, average global temperature could increase by as much as 10 degrees Fahrenheit.

    Even here, with their scariest scenario, gerbiling would adversely impact GDP by 10% in a country that would be 10 times wealthier than they are now.

    The takeaway? Forget about gerbil warming.

  201. mh

    SHOCK VIDEO: MIGRANTS LAND BOAT ON CALIFORNIA BEACH 100 MILES FROM BORDER

    Police arrested half the migrants and two suspected human smugglers

    https://www.infowars.com/shock-video-migrants-land-boat-on-california-beach-100-miles-from-border/

  202. mh

    FLORIDA ELECTION OFFICIAL BRENDA SNIPES RESCINDS RESIGNATION AFTER GOVERNOR MOVES TO SUSPEND HER

    ‘Fighting this to the very end,’ says Snipes lawyer

    https://www.infowars.com/florida-election-official-brenda-snipes-rescinds-resignation-after-governor-moves-to-suspend-her/

  203. Mater

    Some years ago there was an interesting doco series of US military personnel and instead of all that patriotic crap that is typically dished out during interviews most of them made it plainly obvious they were in the military for the money and fringe benefits. It’s a job with many perks not found in other jobs.

    It’s not universal. Being a current and former US Servicemen does come with a number of benefits, both socially and financially. The GI Bill facilitates this. Ongoing access to PX stores, education programs after service and post service healthcare – to name a few. Respect in the community is an added bonus, although Australians tend not to be that way inclined.
    Relatively speaking, I would say that the Australian military are better paid whilst serving (although the PX System mitigates this to an extent). Outside of that, our conditions and ‘perks’ end the moment we discharge. Our Superannuation system sucks unless your career extends right through to retirement.
    From the perspective of our military, if you pick up some useful skills along the way, you’ve done well. If those skills facilitate a career after leaving the service, even better. Not every dedicated soldier is so lucky as there is limited employment opportunities for someone who can link shoot a mortar or get a head shot at 800 metres.
    No, our benefits generally start and finish with enlistment and discharge. After that, you’re on your own.
    It is probably doing a disservice to the motivations of the majority of our service personnel to assign their motivation to self interest.

  204. DrBeauGan

    It is probably doing a disservice to the motivations of the majority of our service personnel to assign their motivation to self interest.

    I’ve no reason to doubt this. But what turns soldiers into the kind of creeps who buy into political correctness and are happy to kiss politicians arses and destroy a fighting force in the process? Who hire feminist loons to reform the toxic masculinity of the ADF?

  205. Tom

    Johannes Leak on Their ABC’s hunt for a new chairman to replace the Trumble disaster.

  206. bespoke

    Confused Old Misfit
    #2877404, posted on December 2, 2018 at 9:52 pm
    The blowjob economy provides no meaningful work to men who want to make stuff.
    And rewarding bad behavior, repeatedly, with sympathetic support.

    Experts over analyse and find excuses instead of encouraging people to lift them selves up as well as a system that disincentives those around them to do there part. Tacking a mate to the pub or doing some other distracting activity is better to fend of depression then telling them to go to counselling.

  207. bespoke

    DrBeauGan
    #2877453, posted on December 3, 2018 at 4:21 am
    I’ve no reason to doubt this. But what turns soldiers into the kind of creeps who buy into political correctness and are happy to kiss politicians arses and destroy a fighting force in the process? Who hire feminist loons to reform the toxic masculinity of the ADF?

    Maybe they ant soldiers in the first place.

  208. Mater

    I’ve no reason to doubt this. But what turns soldiers into the kind of creeps who buy into political correctness and are happy to kiss politicians arses and destroy a fighting force in the process? Who hire feminist loons to reform the toxic masculinity of the ADF?

    I wish I knew Dr BG. It could be the need to feel and be accepted in a society which is becoming increasingly hostile to their occupation, their previous beliefs or even their heritage. CL has often postulated that a lot of veterans did this to fit in. I know that a lot of current and former serviceman mistake the comradery of service life to socialism and they follow this through with a change to their political views. I’ve been privy to such conversations…and it’s crap with no rational validity (but it get them through and gives them a new mission). Examples of this abound from Gough Whitlam to VC winners to Hollywood movie stars who served. I personally think it’s a nasty side effect of the crash that occurs when transitioning from military life to civilian. It’s a lonely experience for a lot, and more damaging than battle.

    Whilst anecdotal, I’ve noticed a distinct trend fro those who went back to university to establish a new civilian career. Mainly in the Health Services arena (Medicine, Nursing, etc) but it’s not limited to that. Such courses seem to ladle out the Kool Aid in large doses. The change in my colleagues politics and views are quite extraordinary. It says something to me. Also remember that General Morrison was educated at ANU prior to his enlisting at Portsea. He is not your typical Duntroon/ADFA Officer. That universities are responsible for indoctrination should come as no surprise but imagine the pressure on a bloke who has taken part in a shooting conflict with all of those other idealistic (and much younger) student…and lecturers. The pressure would be enormous over 3-7 years.

    A lot of people assume that ex-serviceman will typically lean right. A lot do when they join and many do after they leave – but those numbers aren’t identical.

  209. mh et al:

    Woman farts in store, pulls knife on offended customer: cops

    What the hell is it with women and violent, confrontational behaviour?

  210. Mater

    Whilst anecdotal, I’ve noticed a distinct trend fro those who went back to university to establish a new civilian career. Mainly in the Health Services arena (Medicine, Nursing, etc) but it’s not limited to that. Such courses seem to ladle out the Kool Aid in large doses. The change in my colleagues politics and views are quite extraordinary. It says something to me.

    As for the hierarchy of the military, it pays to have a look at the additional tertiary study they were required to complete to enable them to be eligible for the senior role. Which university? Many have undertaken additional civilian university courses, need to be political to achieve that last role which secures their pension and are approaching the point where they need to be accepted and employed in the civilian world, in a senior corporate position.
    Just a thought.

  211. Tel

    But what turns soldiers into the kind of creeps who buy into political correctness and are happy to kiss politicians arses and destroy a fighting force in the process?

    Insufficient military threat to the homeland, thus depriving them of a sense of purpose.

    Need Moar Woar!

  212. Damn:
    What the hell is it with black women and violent, confrontational behaviour?

  213. Tel

    You know that US gerbil warming report prepared by the US government for the US government.

    These were the assumptions they worked on to reach the conclusion that GDP in 2100 would be 10% lower than potential as a result of gerbiling.

    Bob Murphy got onto that one as well.

    https://www.instituteforenergyresearch.org/climate-change/popular-analysis-of-the-national-climate-assessment-misleads-the-public-on-the-economics-of-climate-change/

    Yet this claim is extremely misleading, as I’ll demonstrate in this post. The projection of a 10-percent hit to GDP is an extremely unlikely (less than a 5-percent chance) event even if we assume we are in the most pessimistic of emission scenarios, while the scenario itself rests upon an assumption that progress on renewables and other technologies occurs much more slowly over the next century than it has already occurred historically. This means that anybody citing the NCA projections isn’t allowed to also tout imminent breakthroughs in wind and solar, because such optimism renders the NCA projections invalid.

    So the same guys telling us that the cost of wind and solar is going down and hey they are already totally cost effective… those are also the guys spruiking the 10% hit to GDP.

    More fundamental than that, has any economist been right about anything 50 years in the future?

  214. Zatara

    As one rises in the commissioned ranks they find themselves having to successfully interface with civilian politicians and bureaucrats more and more. In fact, their advancement to more senior ranks demands exactly that. This phenomenon also smooths their way into other government billets after they leave the forces of course.

    In the peacetime military it is fairly safe to assume anyone past the rank of O-5 or so has sold their soul to the politicians/bureaucrats. Not all of course, but an extremely high percentage.

  215. Mark A

    Tel
    #2877471, posted on December 3, 2018 at 6:35 am

    More fundamental than that, has any economist been right about anything 50 years in the future?

    Economists would be right 100% of the time if only for the pesky individuals (people) messing up their calculations by not behaving the way they should, according to the economists that is.

  216. miltonf

    Spot on Mark. Economics would be so simple if it wasn’t for people. Seems like economists’ models are more important than the real world. Anyone remember ORANI?

  217. feelthebern

    Have any NSW Cats heard the Gladys ads?
    When I hear Gladys finish with “Let’s get it done NSW”, I have been yelling profanities.
    What moron told her that was a good message?
    Which morons in the NSW Liberal party thought that was a good message.

  218. Eyrie

    Ah yes, the “Imminent Breakthroughs” in wind and solar. Anyone have any idea what they are?

  219. Very true Eyrie.
    If they don’t come with anything better than a battery then ruinables are ruined.
    Four good sized reactors would fix the power problem for generations.
    Oh and the fun of watching the Luvvies self combust. I’d warm my hands on that glow.

  220. Senile Old Guy

    Former prime minister Malcolm Turnbull has launched a spectacular intervention in the preselection process of Liberal backbencher Craig Kelly, urging his colleagues not to “capitulate” to threats from the conservative MP.

    This is the guy who was not going to meddle, once he was deposed. In fact, he has done nothing but meddle. Anyone who thought Turnbull would behave honourably was deluded, again. The man has destroyed the LNP, which was what he was always going to do.

  221. stackja

    NSW RSL president James Brown, who is married to Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull’s daughter Daisy,

    2GB interview with RSL member about Brown wanting more control.

  222. Senile Old Guy

    Mr Turnbull also raised concerns about the Coalition’s election prospects, and suggested Mr Morrison should consider going to an early election. “But Morrison has to got to judge the right timing for an election, but you would understand … that there is a real concern in New South Wales Liberal circles that a very good, outstanding government led by Gladys Berejiklian is going to have its prospects of success diminished because of the brand damage to the Liberal Party caused by the leadership change in August.”

    In other words, the LNP should not have dumped Turnbull, even though he was useless. And Turnbull will now wreck them out of spite.

  223. Bruce of Newcastle

    Ah yes, the “Imminent Breakthroughs” in wind and solar.

    Maybe it’s a typo, and they mean imminent breakdowns?

    German Wind Turbines Go Up In Flames, Or Simply Collapse, …Federal Government Refuses To Investigate (2 Dec)

    North German NDR public television here reports how days ago 50 fire fighters were called to the scene of a wind turbine fire. All they could do was extinguish the debris once it had fell to the ground.

    The reason for the fire occurring last Thursday in the community of Holtriem in the district of Wittmund is unknown. But it is the second occurrence at this wind park over the past month. The fire is reported to have broken out in the tubine’s generator are, some 60 meters above the ground, and making it impossible for fire fighters to reach.

    NDR wrote that the wind turbine fires and collapses were not isolated incidents and reported that “collapsing wind turbines, burning rotors and snapping rotor” had occurred in “four accidents” in Germany over the previous weeks.

    If a wind turbine falls in a forest will anyone know it?
    Oh wait, cancel that question, the resulting forest fire will tell you.

  224. stackja

    feelthebern
    #2877480, posted on December 3, 2018 at 7:18 am

    Textor?

  225. Crossie

    stackja
    #2877489, posted on December 3, 2018 at 7:59 am
    NSW RSL president James Brown, who is married to Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull’s daughter Daisy,

    2GB interview with RSL member about Brown wanting more control.

    In the time honoured tradition of royalty His Majesty King Malcolm is gifting the Duchy of RSL to his daughter and son-in-law.

  226. stackja

    Sydney train chaos: Major delays across the network leaves passengers seething
    Stuart McLean, The Daily Telegraph
    December 2, 2018 7:50pm
    Subscriber only

    Passengers are experiencing major delays on Sydney trains this afternoon with some services taking as long as 30 minutes to move between stations on the City Circle line.

    Glad Bag fails again.

  227. Crossie

    In other words, the LNP should not have dumped Turnbull, even though he was useless. And Turnbull will now wreck them out of spite.

    The right approach would have been not to let him near the party at all.

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