Wreckers and saboteurs without an ounce of policy sense

I have dwelt on the 45-40 party room tally when Malcolm was finally booted and have often wondered whether the score was actually: Skeptics 45 – Idiots and Buffoons 40.

In the light of all this, what am I to make of the following?

Cabinet Minister Kelly O’Dwyer has told colleagues the Liberals are widely regarded as “homophobic, anti-women, climate-change deniers” during a crisis meeting of federal Victorian MPs.

As far as the first two of the three go, I am in complete agreement with this:

Assistant Treasurer Stuart Robert, a Queensland Liberal MP, said he had seen no evidence the Liberal Party was homophobic, anti-women or stacked with climate-change deniers.

As for the third, Ms O’Dwyer and Mr Robert have precisely identified the problem. Why isn’t the party stacked with climate change deniers, that is, why isn’t it stacked with people with enough common sense to recognise idiocy when it is right before their eyes?

These are some of the most politically incompetent people I have ever seen in politics. What do they stand for? What do they care about so much that they are willing to sink their own ship rather than help it sail onwards? Wreckers and saboteurs without an ounce of policy sense. Do they really believe that if Malcolm can’t be PM, then they would rather ruin the chances for the Libs at the next election, that it would be preferable for the ALP to be in government rather than themselves?

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58 Responses to Wreckers and saboteurs without an ounce of policy sense

  1. Bruce of Newcastle

    The party membership seems not to be quite in synch with Mzzzzz O’Dwyer, at least according to Peter van Onselen today:

    Seriously, who’d vote for them? (Oz, paywalled)

    If the Liberal Party truly is a ‘broad church’, how can it’s base be so narrow, reactionary and out of touch?

    Why, you could tell a Liberal Party rank and file member was coming up the street by the excessive hair and the way their knuckles are dragging behind them along the footpath. PvO should come up with a name for these awful recalcitrant people. Perhaps ‘deplorables’ would work Peter?

  2. Do they really believe that if Malcolm can’t be PM, then they would rather ruin the chances for the Libs at the next election, that it would be preferable for the ALP to be in government rather than themselves?

    Dunno about them.
    But Electricity Bill is required medicine.

  3. If you’re at the poker table, and cannot pick the sucker, the sucker is you.
    Kelly O’Dwyer is the problem.

  4. John Constantine

    The donor class of Homo Davos, the billionaire traders and developers that profit from packing australias cities tighter and higher with consumption machines, grasping billions in short term personal superprofits while socialising the multiple trillions of dollars of liabilities to be dealt with in the smoking ruins down the track.

    These billionaire donors have bought the godless and curdled souls of the most corrupt political class of lickspittles poor bastard australia has ever seen.

    The Rum Corps were Gentlemen.

    Todays One Party State Chum Corps are slavering orcs, feasting on the carcasses of the free living folk they have sold out into eternal godless commo slavery.

    Comrades.

  5. areff

    I handed out HTVs for O’Dwyer when she replaced Costello. Don’t I feel like a dill.

  6. tombell

    whatever his merits – and I think there are many – his advocacy for Ms O’Dwyer will surely rank as one of Costello’s most inept decisions.

  7. Vagabond

    I was a manufacturer employing lots of people when Whitlam came to power so you can understand my deep visceral contempt and loathing for the ALP. However in the last election I preferenced them ahead of O’Dwyer and will do so again. Last time it was a protest vote but hopefully next year it will help get rid of her. What difference will one more seat make in a landslide? If we’re going to be screwed we might as well get some satisfaction out of it.

  8. LGS

    Do they really believe that if Malcolm can’t be PM, then they would rather ruin the chances for the Libs at the next election, that it would be preferable for the ALP to be in government rather than themselves?

    Yes!

  9. LGS

    The party membership seems not to be quite in synch with Mzzzzz O’Dwyer, at least according to Peter van Onselen today:
    Seriously, who’d vote for them? (Oz, paywalled)

    If the Liberal Party truly is a ‘broad church’, how can it’s base be so narrow, reactionary and out of touch?

    If Labour and the Greens are examples of a “broad church,” then I’ll eat my hat!
    When was the last time you heard a pollie from those parties stepping out of the party line?

  10. miltonf

    I handed out HTVs for O’Dwyer when she replaced Costello. Don’t I feel like a dill.

    Know the feeling. Even more so I would think for those who volunteered for Banks.

  11. A ‘broad church’ doesn’t mean that the members include rabid Green-Left and Labor supporters. It means that it has (or should have) a broad range of people with predominantly conservative beliefs and ideals, where those beliefs and ideals can have differing levels of importance/priority.

  12. max

    If you believe that universal suffrage and democracy lead to people to elect honest politicians, than I can say you are crazy.

    Pareto law will tell you that 80% of people are easy pray for demagogues.

    First job of politicians is his reelection.

    
George Orwell — ‘A people that elect corrupt politicians, demagogs, thieves and traitors are not victims… but accomplices’

  13. miltonf

    Yes but many of these Libs purported to be something that they were not.

  14. Muddy

    It is far too late to ponder the Why?
    The question is, as it has been for quite some time: What now?
    Apathy emasculates.

  15. Roger

    Do they really believe that if Malcolm can’t be PM, then they would rather ruin the chances for the Libs at the next election, that it would be preferable for the ALP to be in government rather than themselves?

    Apparently so. The two major factions in the Liberal Party are each looking forward to spending their first term in opposition purging the other from the party whilst Bill Shorten completes the ruination of Australia.

  16. bespoke

    bemused
    #2876489, posted on December 1, 2018 at 11:36 am
    A ‘broad church’ doesn’t mean that the members include rabid Green-Left and Labor supporters. It means that it has (or should have) a broad range of people with predominantly conservative beliefs and ideals, where those beliefs and ideals can have differing levels of importance/priority.

    Bingo!

  17. Bruce of Newcastle

    The two major factions in the Liberal Party are each looking forward to spending their first term in opposition purging the other from the party

    The curious thing is one side wants to be just like the ALP and the other faction wants to support the half of Australia that has no major party representing them right now.

    If they want to be like the ALP why don’t they join that party?

  18. NB

    LGS
    #2876480, posted on December 1, 2018 at 11:25 am
    ‘Do they really believe that if Malcolm can’t be PM, then they would rather ruin the chances for the Libs at the next election, that it would be preferable for the ALP to be in government rather than themselves?’
    Yes!

    ————–
    My thoughts exactly.

  19. 
George Orwell — ‘A people that elect corrupt politicians, demagogs, thieves and traitors are not victims… but accomplices’

    Alexander the great – I am not afraid of an army of lions led by a sheep; I am afraid of an army of sheep led by a lion.

    And Australia is a nation of sheep led by a goat.

  20. OldOzzie

    incoherent rambler
    #2876449, posted on December 1, 2018 at 10:50 am

    Do they really believe that if Malcolm can’t be PM, then they would rather ruin the chances for the Libs at the next election, that it would be preferable for the ALP to be in government rather than themselves?

    Dunno about them.
    But Electricity Bill is required medicine.

    My youngest and husband are Greenies Extraordinaire on Climate Change and Renewables

    As Bill Shorten and Labor/Greens destroy Australia, the young of today will learn what real misery is, especially as their expected inheritance is destroyed by Wealth Taxes and Death Duties

    Pure Misery awaits the Millennials, and X and Y generations

    Deloitte Millennial Survey 2018 – the Australian cut
    Are millennials losing faith in business?

    Australian millennials remain uneasy about the future: worried about terrorism, robots taking their jobs, and unemployment generally, and they have little confidence in the ability of business or politicians to help them.

    or

    We have got it all wrong on Millennials – Roy Morgan Research

    Jul 26, 2018 – When it comes to house and home, close to one in five Millennials from China own their home outright, compared to one in eight Australian-born Millennials. Across the board, a greater percentage of Asian-born Millennials are light spenders compared to Australian-born Millennials.

  21. Gerry

    It’s about me not us …. once it was about us but with the passage of time and a very good superannuation it has become about me …. is this a surprise ? … the surprise is that we keep going to the “politics” well expecting water and rarely get anything ….and when there is some water we find someone’s put holes in the bucket so we can get very little out …

  22. Tim Neilson

    If they want to be like the ALP why don’t they join that party?

    Because they don’t have the trade union connections to get their snouts in the Parliamentary trough via the ALP.

  23. miltonf

    Put it another way, they want a political career but can’t fit into the ALP culcha.

  24. struth

    A broad church can only mean from different walks of life.
    A church has the one philosophy.
    If you have a political party filled with people who have differing political views and ideology, and in the Liberals case, extremely different, you don’t have a broad church, you don’t even have a political party.
    As the Liberals will soon find out
    At the moment their broad church, is not just non denominational, it’s more of a mosque, a synagogue, and a buddist temple, and a heathen wicker sacrificial site trying to call itself a broad Christian church.

    A pathetic term.

  25. Behind Enemy Lines

    Do they really believe that if Malcolm can’t be PM, then they would rather ruin the chances for the Libs at the next election, that it would be preferable for the ALP to be in government rather than themselves?

    Well, the Forty Fools aren’t Libs, for a start.

    Across the west, the so-called ‘conservative’ parties have allowed themselves to become nothing more than vehicles to get people elected. They don’t stand for any sort of conservative / right principle; today, it’s just standard bums-on-seats influencing-buying machine politics. Of course, their leaders have cutely argued that they can’t do any good if they don’t get elected. But the inevitable result of the ‘get people elected’ approach is that the party is now chockers with the sort of people who’ll do anything to get elected — in other words, lefties.

    So now we have a ‘Liberal’ parliamentary party that is approximately 50% green / left.

    Consequently, they’ve got a rolling veto over the government. None of the clever suggestions for reform will work until and unless these people are purged. Savagely.

    They won’t go easy. After all, the Libs are now a well funded centre-left party that guarantees soft political careers for the kind of squishes who can’t hack it in the ALP or Greens.

    Would they rather ruin the chances for the Libs at the next election? Sure, why not? Because they aren’t Libs. They’re just parasites drawing down the Libs infrastructure. Meanwhile, a lot of them seem dumb enough to believe their own propaganda, imagining that they’ll get re-elected regardless because the Libs’ base really does want lefty policies.

    I’m not confident that the Libs can be rescued from themselves (after all, this was entirely self-inflicted), but if it’s to happen then I’d suggest every wet left parliamentarian needs to be sent packing at the next election. Then, in the ensuing chaos, they need to be cut off from party funds and forced out.

    This would require some clever strategy and ballsy action by what remains of party conservatives. And perhaps that’s hoping for too much. But even if I’m wrong, the wet left masquerading as Libs still need to be purified by fire.

    Which is something we can deliver to them at the next election.

  26. Art Vandelay

    stacked with climate-change deniers

    If the government was full of ‘climate change deniers’, why are they still forcing consumers to subsidise renewables to the tune of billions of dollars? Why is it their policy to use taxpayer funds to subsidise new renewable projects? Why are we still in the Paris Agreement? etc etc

    The facile argument that the Liberals are too ‘far Right’ falls over pretty quickly when you look at this government’s actual policies. Whether it’s free speech, record government spending, increasing taxation, yet more financial regulation, the ABC, the NBN, the NDIS, and subsidising the crap out of childcare, health and education, there’s not a single ‘Right wing’ policy to be found.

  27. areff

    Like whores under a street light, they’re brazen about selling their services.

    https://pstate.com.au/people/michael-photios/

    and if you’re interested in a bit of green kink and can pay, satisfaction guaranteed.

    https://pstate.com.au/industries/energy-resources-agriculture-environment

    That such an influence peddler operates so brazenly, shaping and stacking policy for his own betterment, is the first charge against the Liberals. That they will do nothing about it is an indictment of everything else they profess to stand for.

  28. Liberal

    You’re plainly not a Liberal Mr Kates. So I do not understand why you bang on. You might not have noticed, but Governments are formed and have effect when they have a stable majority of votes in the Parliament. Many of us have despaired as people in the Liberal Party have taken notice of people like you, who indulge fringe thinking and rhetoric that is plainly at odds with the electorate’s views.
    My own impression is that you’re one of those ex-Comms who found conservatism and now want to behave in the same ideologically dumb way that Trots and their ilk carry on.
    Unfortunately you and your ilk have been succsseful and now the Coalition is broken, The Liberal Party is in pieces and an otherwise unelectable ALP Government is certain.
    You really should be ashamed.

  29. egg_

    Why isn’t the party stacked with climate change deniers…?

    They’re climate change denier deniers?

  30. LGS

    The “left” wouldn’t stand for one minute the “right” telling them how to run their party, or lecturing them on the composition of it.
    So why should the conservative or right side of politics have to put up with it?
    Many of those who prefer Turnbull as PM would never actually vote for his party (even with him as leader), yet those same people have the arrogance to want to dictate the make-up of the Liberal party!

  31. Bruce

    LGS:

    If Labour and the Greens are examples of a “broad church,” then I’ll eat my hat!
    When was the last time you heard a pollie from those parties stepping out of the party line?””

    Vince Gair?

  32. Dr Fred Lenin

    The party is a broad church ,ranging from communist fascist globalists to left left centre liberal globalists ,it even has a gangster wing the unions . I soeak of course of the National Gangrene Lieberal Party which has ruled for the last decade ,krudsters left left egotistic wing then the communist giliardists the krudsters again,followed by the DLP wing of Abbot ,then the left left crony capitalist global turnbullist shower . The question arises , where in the name of Gaia do they get these muppets from ? Sesame street?
    With a bit of luck turnbull will get goldman sachs to get rid of the whole lot to pay for his rejection after all the gangrenes and union mafia wings didnt lift a finger ti save his job ,stuff the lot of em he says.

  33. Marcus

    Do they really believe that if Malcolm can’t be PM, then they would rather ruin the chances for the Libs at the next election, that it would be preferable for the ALP to be in government rather than themselves?

    Yep. Remember, in 2016 they ran as the Turnbull Coalition Team.

  34. min

    Mislabelled again . Liberal voters I know are not Climate Change deniers, we all know that the climate has always changed with written records to prove it over 2000 years . Sceptical of climate science maybe a better definition because aren’t all true scientists sceptics?
    Ignorant politicians who can get brainwashed with propaganda as they did in Germany and Italy prior WW2 are the problem. Surely they don’t think agreeing with the other side will help keep their seats?

  35. Tim Neilson

    Liberal voters I know are not Climate Change deniers, we all know that the climate has always changed with written records to prove it over 2000 years . Sceptical of climate science maybe a better definition because aren’t all true scientists sceptics?

    “CAGW sceptics” is also accurate – sceptical of “Catastrophic Anthropogenic Global Warming”.

    But the alarmists are trying to label “CAGW” a “snarl term” i.e. they’re frantically trying to avoid any clarity about what we’re supposed to be “concerned” about.

  36. Bela Bartok

    As I put in another thread, the Liberal Party functionaries believe deeply in climate change, and say it’s typical of the ‘deplorables’ to deny it.
    They still believe – in their little bubble – that there’s a huge difference between them and Labor, that Malcolm was our Messiah, we were just too stupid to notice.
    They have an Entrenched Belief in climate change and what we all here call Leftism is the ‘natural centre’ and that the ‘Extreme Right’ is ruining the party. But we’re too stupid to notice. Apparently.
    And when the Liberal brand is trashed, these functionaries – the smartest men in the room – will all say it’s because of Mr. Rabbit.
    We must destroy them – they know they’ll lose, but the Left Liberals want to rebuild in their own image.

  37. Texas Jack

    I really dunno how many times it has to be explained. The Liberal Party belief statement is a wondrous thing, worth aspiring members being able to recite by heart. That Banks thinks Phelps is a genius is all you need to know about the Member for Chisholm. Karina Okotel seems to have a bigger set of gonads than Nick Greiner. It’s time someone called Turnbull for what he is – the modern Liberal version of Vidkun Quisling.

  38. H B Bear

    The Liberal Party belief statement is a wondrous thing, worth aspiring members being able to recite by heart.
    The Lieboral Party belief statement really should begin,

    Once upon a time we believed,

    The Lieborals have always talked a good game. Actions, not so much.

  39. Peter Campion

    The Liberal Party belief statement is a wondrous thing,

    That, wherever possible, government should not compete with an efficient private sector; and that businesses and individuals – not government – are the true creators of wealth and employment.

    They fund the ABC because….?

  40. Deplorable

    As a centre right person it is my belief that the parliament is overrepresented by homosexuals and other things. I am not homophobic but if we use the women’s quota argument then quite a few need to lose preselection or be voted out. Smart strong centre right women should be in a conservative party. Climate variation is a fact , global warming due to co2 appears false. Population growth around the world is unsustainable unless a world war is going to clean up a billion or so. Liberals like O’Dwyer are just plain stupid full stop , only labor voters will vote for her and others of her ilk.

  41. Texas Jack

    My point is the LP can’t go anywhere near placating the Banks of the party if it truly believes in what it says it believes in. Ditto funding the GAYBC, ditto confiscating legally tapped export gas supplies, ditto calling royal commissions at the drop of a Four Corbers hat, ditto all the stupid stuff Michaela Cash dreams up, ditto fucking around with super, and ditto renewable Subsidies etc etc. if they stuck to their beliefs – and sent the Photios plants back to where they came from – they’d be competitive.

  42. Tel

    They fund the ABC because….?

    [A] They want to become the next Liars Party.
    [B] They never even bothered to read their own material but that doesn’t matter because hey, it’s a job, I’ll get looked after.
    [C] Someone sent a Mean Tweet and they got nervous.

  43. …Photios…

    Has a very similar ring to that of Soros.

  44. Robber Baron

    I remember a few 3 word slogans that won the libs a landslide victory just a few years back. Pitty they got rid of the bloke that knows how to win elections.

    If only they could entice him back. Alas they want him to quit the party. It’s like they want to lose and lose badly.

  45. Texas Jack

    So, here’s a question – if the Liberal Party folded tonight what would be a better replacement?

  46. min

    I hope all politicians and those brainwashed kids are watching SBS tonight to see how civilisation all began and how demagogues are taking over.
    Good demonstrations of how climate change ruined civilisations because of drought, trade routes changing and tribes on the march to warmer climes . Pax Romana where all the conquered could not wait to give up their culture and be a Roman. Now the Barbarians have arrived
    Just wait until we see how coal improved the world.

  47. Confused Old Misfit

    Define:

    better replacement?

  48. Norman Church

    Like others on the Cat, I have enjoyed describing the Liberals as the Diet Labor Party.

    But here’s a thought. The Liberals are full of people who never learnt or have forgotten the important lessons of the 1980s. With that cohort, we are forced to endure the nonsense of the 1970s for a second time.

    So, in that spirit, I have decided that they should be called Tab Labor from now on. The reference to Tab, rather than Diet Coke, giving a better reflection of the era in which their beliefs and minds are stuck.

    Not to suggest that that Banks lady is a patch on a young Elle McPherson.

  49. Tim Neilson

    So, here’s a question – if the Liberal Party folded tonight what would be a better replacement?

    A dog turd on your shoe?

    Maybe it’s unrealistic to expect a single replacement.

    We’ve got:
    Aust Conservatives – socially conservative, small government and free market;
    LDP socially”progressive”, small government and free market;
    One Nation – socially conservative, big government high tax/spend statist.

    If those three all got their act together, ran decent campaigns and preferenced each other ahead of the Photios/Peanut Head/Greens Uniparty, at least there’d be a chance of the not entirely insane all getting something that they wanted.

  50. None

    O’Dwyer? Wasn’t she a Costello staffer? All staffers should be banned from ever standing for politics. I mean Zimmerman O’Dwyer Sharkie the list goes on and on. All f****** incompetent cretins.
    The liberal party has got more gays than common sense – homosexuals are over represented in the Liberal party (not all of them are out but enough of them are). The Libs are the homosexual party. If that makes them homophobic then fantastic I won’t vote for them ever.
    The Libs are anti women because they accept absolute moron’s like O’Dwyer who do unot old damage to women’s reputation and send us women backwards.

  51. Texas Jack
    #2876775, posted on December 1, 2018 at 8:37 pm

    So, here’s a question – if the Liberal Party folded tonight what would be a better replacement?

    6 cats and a bucket of tennis balls

  52. miltonf

    pissy crime was a fat mandy staffer i think

  53. min

    Not that I know all in the labor party but who is homosexual?

  54. Jo

    Not that I know all in the labor party but who is homosexual?

    Probably a fair share of them, but they know well enough to keep it quiet and not alienate their working class base. The Libs, instead, want to be in with the cool kids.

  55. min

    Well the lesbians let the wukkers know

  56. Muddy

    Texas Jack
    #2876775, posted on December 1, 2018 at 8:37 pm

    So, here’s a question – if the Liberal Party folded tonight what would be a better replacement?

    It will take time for an appropriate replacement to arise, but one thing is for certain: Whilesoever the Lieboral Party remains and identifies as centre or moderate right, any true conservative organisation trying to position themselves will be marked as ‘extreme’ right in comparison. With the feral media and assorted enablers salivating at the opportunity to pat themselves on the back about their endless warnings of ‘far right wing radicals’, it will place the newcomer on the defensive from the very beginning. That is not a good start. If there is a space there for a newcomer to slip into, work out any growing pains, and present themselves as ‘real’ conservatives, it will be an easier beginning. Having enemies on the left is enough to deal with; having an enemy right beside you, complicates matters far more.

    What happens in the meantime, you ask? Don’t we need something there, just for the sake of being there?
    No. No we don’t.
    Is the Lieboral Party doing anything for us now?

  57. kim howard

    is this a question and answers forum , yes oh good
    who is Michael photios ? Don`t know just some 58yr old white male with a globalist agenda and anti Australian at a guess
    who is the Liberal party ? Michael photios at a guess .
    who is the labor party ? the un and the eu at a guess .
    who is the green party ? utter scumbag filth that should be in prison at a guess .
    How did I go , did I win a something !

  58. Iampeter

    These are some of the most politically incompetent people I have ever seen in politics. What do they stand for?

    Yea, why can’t they be more like real conservatives, like Howard and his supporters.
    They stood for environmentalism and welfare and that’s totally what we need more of.

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