More than 600 notifications are being sent to criminals who were represented by or had dealings with a high-profile gangland lawyer to tell them their cases could be tainted, after she worked as a supergrass informing on her clients in Victoria’s biggest legal scandal.
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Informer 3838’s actions are unprecedented in Australia’s criminal history.
The lawyer used the secrets of her clients, and others she had dealings with, many of which were provided under the cloak of confidential privilege, to aid police in their prosecutions.
Informer 3838’s recruitment as an informer also brings into question the actions of police command, including former chief commissioners Simon Overland and Christine Nixon, as well as prosecuting and government agencies who were thought to be privy to the arrangement.
There have already been calls for a Royal Commission.
Calls for a Royal Commission? Why not just arrest the people involved now?
Maybe because there is insufficient evidence to convict former chief commissioners. It would also be interesting to know whether the current chief commissioner was involved, and whether the prosecuting agency and investigating police in Georg Pell’s case were involved.
Because they have friends in high places and I got where I am today on their coattails and they know about the skeletons on my closet!
Always looked dodgy as the lifestyle was flaunted in the victorian media and she glamoured around untouched.
The grand old tradition of victorian crooks dobbing their mates in for a leg up.
Doesn’t seem to work with the new tribes of crims.
Never find a peoples liberation army aligned crime minion even opening his mouth about the time of day.
[ of course when the peoples liberation army own all the security cameras, pretty hard to get away with being seen near a copper doing dobbing.]
Comrades.
Why not just arrest the people involved now?
That’s simple to answer. Labor’s red shirts rort.
What crime has been committed? Surely lawyer breaching confidentiality is a civil matter?
Funny this pops up after the election. Hmmm….
Perversion of justice.
Informer 3838?
Surely a case of Informer 38-24-38.
Government fixing of the courts does not just pervert the course of justice. It is akin to the rape of Democracy. Australia descending further in to being a third world shit hole.
The Royal Commission will be to cloud the issues and try to divert attention away from any thing that could be politically damaging. This is why they do not just arrest the people involved.
Ah VicPol, Australia’s most politicised police force, you’ve done it again.
Dan?
Because…look mate; if we open an official investigation a lot of stuff is going to come out that really shouldn’t and a lot of people are going to get badly mauled and maybe have their lives ruined.
Besides, the only people that get anything out of this are the damned lawyers! Sorry, I forgot you were one! But you know what I mean? We don’t want to be seen throwing the taxpayers money around too freely, do we?
And you know, we may need some of these people again, going forward.
Anyway, if we all just keep schtum the press will get tired of it and it will all blow over in a week or two.
OK? You good with that? Good man!
How progressive.
The Peoples’ Democratic Republic of Victoriastan.
This Federation’s most progressive and liveable shithole.
Nuke the joint from orbit. It’s the only way.
Both Commissioners were Labor appoints IIRC …Labor and the law ….what a tangled web ….
Vic ALP accident prone. Vic voters are strange.
Die StaatssicherheitsdienstVicPol is the shield and sword of the Victorian Demokratische Republik.In any other State this might get a run but Victorian voters have already sent a clear message to their political Labor ‘red-shirt’ overlords, they don’t care.
Spot on Baldrick.
Oh great. So now the entire Victorian justice system will be tied up for years rehearing the cases of these people all because their SJW lawyers will use this precedent to extract legal aid from the Vic government.
Meanwhile courts which are already reluctant to prosecute African gangs are going to be even more reluctant because of their increase workload.
I predict lots of response like:
Oyve dunn nuffink rong!
If the allegations are true this is a disgusting miscarriage of justice.
Timing of this revelation, post State election, is interesting…
Wait….
Crime and perversion in Victoria?
That’s not breaking news. It’s a day ending in a ‘y’.
Interesting side note.
As part of its case to avoid publication of its own criminal activity, VicPol undertook a risk assessment of what would likely happen to the bent barrister and family if Tony Mokbel and his six [ahem] associates found out they had been dudded by their brief. Unsurprisingly, the risk of death to the barrister was considered “almost certain“.
Despite that cheery prospect, the Court was told:
Says it all.
Lie down with crims, get up with fleas.
Just stop taking the briefs!
Massive breach of a barrister’s ethical duties. Should not be allowed to work again as a lawyer.
Its not just bad, its stupid.
Blind Freddy could see the result would be a massive retrial.
Its one thing for a lawyer to be a little “bent” and give off the record info (to either crims or police) its quite another to have been an actual informant.
And the incredible, mind blowing stupidity of the upper ranks who approved this (including the DPP) should see them billed personally for the costs of every case.
I expect Mdme Nixon was off getting a pie and wasnt present at the meeting that made the decision.
Can we jail Nixon if we can’t afford to feed her?.
A porkasaurus is for life, not just for Christmas.
H0w long has there been a suppression order over this case ?
Bracks and Brumby Governments 2005-2009….Enough said.
Faustus – a little more here
I think most of us can guess who it is
The actions of this lawyer have left me gobsmacked.
coz the perps were young and naive?
Nah, ’cause it was the way in their “cultcha”!
What an excellent cue for another instalment in the Underbelly franchise – just the thing for the newly merged (and nicely positioned for cross-promotion) Nine/Fairfax.
But not the plod?
Was she having an affair with a gangland criminal and became corrupt?
Otherwise why was she wasting her young smart self on hanging around very bad men.
Royal commission into why this was buried until the week after their Andrews Nazgul occupying regime won the election.
Comrades.
Is she a decent looker, Candy?
You know the Cat rule pertaining to this, right?
The mafia would have had this information for nearly as long as the ABC has.
But the treasure map of the location and value of every privately-owned gun in Victoria is totally safe.
Comrades.
JC I really don’t know what you are talking about.
But it would not surprise if the lady lawyer had been involved with a gangland criminal and was not a total innocent about the people she met in that world. Otherwise why would a smart young lady lawyer travel down that path.
Candy understands that with corrupt women it almost always comes down to who they’re rooting. My guess is is she was getting rooted by a cop.
Anybody want to bet that no matter how hard they have to twist to do it, their ABC will not mention the word mafia for the whole scandal.
It’s been a Cat rule for years and I can’t believe you’ve missed it. If she’s a decent looker she gets a break and you go after the cops, really hard.
If it’s who I think it is, then she’s a really good looker. I recall there was a pic of a lawyer in the hot seat for a while… ages ago. She may have deteriorated since then though, in which case the rule wouldn’t apply. We have to see what she looks like now!
Drug test all ABC employees before they start work, like miners and truck drivers.
When they depend on their connections for the stuff that gets them by, they ain’t gonna rock the boat.
Leave the compulsory drug testing landmine for shorten.
Wouldn’t mind it for politicians and staffers either.
And those fucks from get up.
ABC Journalist ejected from Question Time for not following dress code — didn’t wear a jacket
Compare the skinned rabbit-armed red-shoe donor and the dress of the jouralist ejectee
This is from the Oz — parliament is dealing with the really really important issues:
Tint – Senate must accept that PK is wearing the pants.
I’m sure Patricia Karvelas had absolutely no idea what she was doing. It wasn’t a setup at all.
Chrissy Pyne wears the pants in the Reps. The ALPBC has long had a problem with anyone telling them what to do. Gotta leave that co-op mindset in Ultimo and Southbank comrades.
How much to redo five hundred mafia trials?.
What price the vicpol time diverted from new crims?.
Will the Andrews Nazgul yarragrad regime spend a billion to not convict any new criminals?.
John C – Will a certain person awaiting court be included?
That photo really is rather special, the delusional level of self regard coupled with the lack of self awareness at how she looks would have to make for a textbook case of something unsavoury. Aged slapper with a Gidget complex or whatever the DSMV is calling it these days.
Hmmm
I’ve said it so often on here I was hoping she’d taken the hint given unflattering photos, highlighting that the media is not always kind to women in the public eye.
Having done the June Dally-Watkins Deportment Course for Young Gels I’m a bit of a stickler for women of a certain age, of whom I’m one, to accept that the years are not kind in the upper arm department one way or the other.
Skinned rabbit arm. Classic.
Tinta we need a list of your best.
Bent eared termite is another of my favourites.
Dan Dare, my best are rather earthy and rarely for public consumption. I put it down to being a farmer’s daughter or to the company I’ve kept since leaving the farm.
If it was who I think it is, there was at least one.
Somehow, the lid got kept down to this until after the Victorian state election.
From the Oz. 2dogs is correct – strange how all this only surfaces after the State election, isn’t it?
And I can’t wait for all the hand-wringing after freeing one of these criminals who subsequently rapes and murders women, etc.
Surely Nixon’s food vouchers must now be rationed
Ashton publicly backing corrupt cops. Gives you an insight into how they’ve managed the spell trial circus.
Yes, I agree but I doubt it would have altered the outcome.
The Red Shirt Scandal was there for all to see and, as Monty put it; ‘It didn’t affect them, they didn’t care’.
The moral decay has lunged over the tipping point.
https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/in-her-own-words-why-a-top-criminal-barrister-became-informer-3838-20181203-p50jug.html
Every assurance given to the informer by top level vicpol turned out to be a lie.
The mafia were sold every detail about the informer by vicpol.
The treasure map of the location and value of every privately owned firearm in victoria is in the hands of the same people that sold out the informer.
Things that make you go hmmmm.
Premier Andrews announced the RC almost simultaneously as this mess was divulged. So it tells me he was able to keep the lid on it successfully till after the election. He did not even need a brief space to consider things.
Still, his government seem to be able to do anything shady, given the Red Shirts. More free tampons should fix things, or free anything. I wonder how long it can last though.
The “ the red shirts “, so Andrews has no problem with ripping off the taxpayers of Victoria but see the criminals have been badly done by. Spare me.
Time to remove the rogue state of Viktoristan from the federation.
Alternatively merge it back into NSW.
Lease it back to the British Crown for use as a penal colony – convicts included.
Relax. I’m sure the Royal Commission will deal with this issue. *muted laughter*
Sounds like the Hunchback of Spring Street is going to have trouble confining the fall out on this one. The Green-Left Weekly Radio (now) Half Hour formerly known as The World Today lead with the story, so no protection being run there. Jill Hennessy the Victoriastani AG raises the issue of State prosecutors who have gone onto be appointed as Judges.
Very progressive stuff in our first neo-Marxist state.
HBB – Who will be left to run the courts?
stackja – have a listen to the audiol Hennessy is saying that Judges will be protected against having to provide testimony by law. Not clear whether punters will know who on the bench is caught up in this stuff.
Seems the rats are scrambling for cover……
According to the words of Informant 3838:
Police Commissioner:
Christine Nixon 2001-2009
Simon Overland 2009-2011
Purana Task Force:
Simon Overland 2003-2005
Jim O’Brien 2005-2007
Bernie Edwards 2007-2010
Police Minister:
Andre Haermeyer 1999-2006
Bob Cameron 2006-2007
James Merlino 2007-2010
Victorian Premier:
Steve Bracks 1999-2007
John Brumby 2007-2010
The High Court judgment here if anyone is interested. Only a 4 pager.
After giving the barrister a serve the Court continued,
Good luck sweeping that under the carpet.
I don’t quite get the High Court outrage here.
If a criminal lawyer is ratting on her clients, why is that a huge problem for the cops? Most certainly, the lawyer has an issue with professional conduct, but why the plod?
She’s had her knuckles rapped as well.
Its the system’s integrity they’re concerned about.
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Albeit a US reference, I am assuming it is:
Fruit of the poisonous tree
If the defence lawyer is working for the cops – what actions were the crims and what actions could now be argued that she set up or encouraged ie entrapment ?
Not only could hundreds of hard core crims be released, the Victorian taxpayer ( you ) may be up for compensation claims.
( Disclaimer – bush lawyer only )
As the judgement states:
Further:
BILLIONS!
As the judgement states:
As a result, the prosecution of each Convicted Person was corrupted in a manner which debased fundamental premises of the criminal justice system . It follows , as Ginnane J and the Court of
Appeal held, that the public interest favouring disclosure is comp-e- lling: the maintenance of the integrity of the criminal justice system demands that the information be disclosed and that the propriety of each Convicted Person’s conviction be re-examined in light of the information.
Further:
Either way, however, it is appropriate that special leave to appeal be revoked
in these two proceedings and the decision of the Court of Appeal be allowed to take effect
BILLIONS!
Have to watch the letter combo of p-e-l- l which was in the above. The moderator doesn’t like it!
I wouldn’t read too much into the timing as far as the High Court is concerned. Kiefel CJ is an admirably apolitical black-letter lawyer, and the present court follows her lead.
As for Yarragra, another story.
Sorry for the typo – should have been ‘Yarragrad’. Is Milligan the urinal of choice for the Vicpol to leak on this stuff, or is she reserved for ideological enemies of the revolution such as the Defendant Who May Not Be Ned?
Sorry again – ‘Named’.
Appalling.
They’re right, this means we’re very close to declaring the state has no legitimacy.
It doesn’t really. How different are to China? Their oppression is overt. Ours is covert and illegal.
The Chinese rulers are probably more ethical than ours.
She’s a looker:
http://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/melbourne-gangland-lawyer-explains-why-she-became-a-police-informant/ar-BBQspQm?ocid=ientp
She became an informer because of altruism, when she discovered in 2005 that her clients were involved in high-level drug trafficking and other serious criminal activities.
Seems a bit dubious really, that she was so totally innocent about the nature of her clients’ money making activities even though she was representing them.
Or maybe it was a very wealthy glamorous kind of dangerous world she was attracted to.
I am Gobsmacked
She approached them. Knowingly and willingly gave evidence freely. That is unethical, it is not illegal.
Illegal would be police approaching her and forcibly interrogating to get evidence. Perversion of justice tho lololol stick to the movies. Theres corruption in there andcthe real story is the heirachy knowing the ethics but hiding it then throwing her to the wind after it.
I think good on her. Sick of the crims getting away with murder literally. Tried doing a good deed. Police did their job and took on board information leading to arrests of wanted criminals. But labour appointed ex afp commisioners that wouldn’t know shit from dirty pudding dont help the brand.
Without the arrests we all forget the potential for the gangland war to be on still this day. Again, unethical, not illegal.
And if you want a conspiracy.
She “sued” vic pol for 2.5 mill.
Theres been a 4 year suppression order.
Id say the reason for both, is heres some money for your help, and heres a 4 year head start. Make a new life
it has taken me 4 hours to find out her name = very impressed with my sleuthing skills. now to research the heck out of her. seems she wanted to run with the bulls the entire time. play with fire — get burnt.
Lawyer X is a former ALP member. I’m sure it’s got nothing to do with it though.
I’m Gobsmacked people find her attractive….