A hint of trouble in the Green paradise

Jo Nova has flagged the possible that some people in the Green power industry are not brain dead and they have started to realise that it is not going to work. That is not something they can afford to say out loud in terms that the punters can understand or everyone in the industry including themselves will find that people are pointing at them and laughing, or alternatively not laughing if they are struggling to pay for electricity.

She writes: Now pair up these two statements. One estimates in the next 22 years Australia will spend $79b on infrastructure that doesn’t work much, and just $2b on old coal plants that do:

It is estimated about 90 per cent of the $88 billion forecast to be spent adding power capacity in Australia until 2040 will be outlaid on clean energy, according to Bloomberg New Energy Finance. Just 2 per cent will be spent on coal, with that ­investment more likely to keep existing, ageing plants running rather than bringing in new coal-fired power stations.

She goes on. The next paragraph tells us that those cheap old coal plants make 75% of our electricity:

That influx of cheap but intermittent supplies of wind and solar threatens to undermine ageing baseload coal generators in the national electricity market, which currently produce about 75 per cent of generation on the nation’s east coast. – Perry Williams, The Australian

Conclusion. The $79-billion-dollars-of-part-time-generators will be driving the cheap reliable part out of business.

http://joannenova.com.au/2018/12/now-even-green-iea-warns-australia-of-the-threat-of-avalache-of-renewables/

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16 Responses to A hint of trouble in the Green paradise

  1. Dr Fred Lenin

    That $79 billion would help pay for a few nuclear ppwer stations ,a few dams to secure water supply and finance the cultural reunification programme, a plan to re unite dysfunctional migrants with their own culture back where they came from ,and
    introduce their aussie born kids to their true culture .I mean whats the sense in financing something that doesnt work and never will .
    When you think about it we do finance a lot of things that will never work ,politicians punlic servants ,the u.n. The climate scam indutry .the union movement .political parties aboriginals ,welfareists the communist media ,universities it goes on and on doesnt it ?

  2. BoyfromTottenham

    Well, at least Perry Williams at the Oz sort of gets it:
    ‘That influx of cheap but intermittent supplies of wind and solar threatens to undermine ageing baseload coal generators in the national electricity market, which currently produce about 75 per cent of generation on the nation’s east coast. – Perry Williams, The Australian’.
    I would have said:
    That influx of highly subsidised but intermittent supplies of wind and solar threatens to undermine all hydrocarbon-based generators in the national electricity market, which currently produce more than 75 per cent of generation on the nation’s east coast. Until the RET is abolished or otherwise neutered, any expenditure on hydrocarbon-based generation is money down the drain, because hydrocarbon-based generators are losing greater market share each year to ‘renewables’ generators, causing them to operate at lower efficiency (aka unprofitably). While this situation continues, no one will invest in new hydrocarbon-based generation.’

  3. H B Bear

    More statements of the bleeding obvious like this and a few blackouts during heatwaves and we might see some sanity return. I’m not holding my breath.

  4. Big_Nambas

    All we need is a heat wave in the 3 eastern states at the same time this summer. When their air con won’t work in Ultimo for a day or two at 40 plus they will start singing a new song.

  5. Rohan

    H B Bear
    #2879877, posted on December 6, 2018 at 3:42 pm
    More statements of the bleeding obvious like this and a few blackouts during heatwaves and we might see some sanity return. I’m not holding my breath.

    +1. A few 24-48 hour system black events will wake everyone up. Not looking forward to it as I’m sure a lot of people are going to suffer unnecessarily. But the people need a good dose of the diabolical reality to what these green-marxist clowns have imposed upon us.

  6. JohnA

    Rohan #2879894, posted on December 6, 2018, at 4:03 pm

    H B Bear #2879877, posted on December 6, 2018 at 3:42 pm
    More statements of the bleeding obvious like this and a few blackouts during heatwaves and we might see some sanity return. I’m not holding my breath.

    +1. A few 24-48 hour system black events will wake everyone up. Not looking forward to it as I’m sure a lot of people are going to suffer unnecessarily. But the people need a good dose of the diabolical reality to what these green-marxist clowns have imposed upon us.

    No trains, no trams, buses for a little while.

    Then the absence of power will bring the nation to a halt: no freight transport, no goods in the shops.

    And all those power-guzzling SUVs (aka Toorak Tractors) will not be able to fill up at the bowsers because no power to the pumps.

    And at home, all those armchair greenies will have no power for their laptops, computers and phones. Then the virtue signals should falter, flicker and hopefully fade out completely.

  7. flyingduk

    A few 24-48 hour system black events will wake everyone up

    Quite right, it only took me one before i bought a 7000w autostart system for home

  8. Norman Church

    That is all very well in practice but it will never work in theory.

  9. BoyfromTottenham

    JohnA – you are spot on, and then you said “And at home, all those armchair greenies will have no power for their laptops, computers and phones. Then the virtue signals should falter, flicker and hopefully fade out completely.”.
    Unfortunately, they may be so brainwashed that they just blame CO2, coal, greedy capitalism, etc., etc. because they cannot get their head around the possibility that they are wrong and skeptics are right. Where to from here?

  10. michael mills

    There is a potential for medium sized companies who have a problem with escalating power costs to opt out of the national grid. A west Australian company is trialling a new battery system based on vanadium oxide that may well be the renewable energy storage solution. If so, then large swathes of high energy users may leave the grid completely. As yet not totally proven, but more than possible. The other side of the coin is a technology that may well mean very large energy users may have the means to leave the grid (hazer process)
    Whist this is by no means certain, it is distinctly possible. The horizon for the implementation is about 2020 (see Tokyo Olympics) What then for the national grid, that is reliant on renewables?

  11. flyingduk

    There is a potential for medium sized companies who have a problem with escalating power costs to opt out of the national grid

    Yes, but the feds will be onto that, they will be introducing ‘licensing’ of private generation of electricity, same as private production of tobacco.

  12. John Constantine

    The easiest and cheapest way to leave the national ruinables energy grid is to leave Australia.

    Exporting our industrial capacity to the Tyrants of the totalitarian Stalinist hellhole Nations, then buying the stuff they make back off them is Our Strength.

  13. RobK

    Michael mills,
    There is always hope for something better. If a battery showed its worth then distribution companies and generators would be onto it in a flash for peak shaving and buffering. Vanadium flow batteries were installed in Kangaroo Island in a big upgrade a few years ago, then replaced not long after. Cost and lifespan are still the big issues.

  14. Tator

    Rohan,
    a system black event in SA didn’t stop the morons adding even more wind into the unstable system, just meant that moron Weatherill went out and spent over $800 million on advertising, a contract from the Big Battery worth $4 mill a year and $600 mill on diesel generators. Even after forcing Alinta to demolish Northern Power Station by enforcing the end of lease conditions. Would have been cheaper to spend the $20 odd mill in subsidising Northern Power Station for a few years as it had nearly 20 years of economic life left in it.

  15. DaveR

    Rohan,
    same story with water. Instead of paying $1-2b for new dam storage in SE Australia, each state has built a mainly unused desalination plant. For Qld-NSW-Vic-SA its about $15bn.

    All this failed spending means the nation is not getting the infrastructure it should for the taxes raised. No wonder some people think the rate of infrastructure build cannot support our current immigration rate. Its all been spent on stupid green ideology.

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