“The people of this country don’t want …”

Full story: PELOSI, SCHUMER PLEAD TO TRUMP: ‘LET’S DEBATE’ BORDER FUNDS ‘IN PRIVATE’. Instead, very public with the best bits in the video above. Might also mention this as well: Pew Survey: Out Of 27 Nations Polled, Zero Want More Immigrants to Move to Their Country and that includes Australia. As for Trump and the Dems, here’s the transcript of the relevant bits on border protection:

TRUMP: “We need border security. People are pouring into our country including terrorists. We have terrorists — we caught 10 terrorists over the last very short period of time. Ten. These are very serious people. Our border agents, all of our law enforcement has been incredible, what they have done, but we caught 10 terrorists. These are people that were looking to do harm. We need the wall. We need — more important than anything, we need border security of which the wall is just a piece. It’s important. Chuck, did you want to say something?”

SCHUMER: “Yes. Here’s what I want to say. We have a lot of disagreements here. ‘The Washington Post’ today gave you a whole lot of Pinnocchios because they say you constantly misstate how much of the wall is built and how much is there, but that’s not the point. We have a disagreement about the wall, whether it’s effective or not —“

TRUMP: “’The Washington Post’ —“

SCHUMER: “— not on border security, but on the wall. We do not want to shut down the government. You were called 20 times to shut down the government. You said, ‘I want to shut down the government.’ We don’t. We want to come to an agreement. If we can’t come to an agreement, we have solutions that will pass the House and Senate right now and will not shut down the government. That’s what we are urging you to do. Not threaten to shut down the government.”

TRUMP: “If you don’t want to shut down the government —“

SCHUMER: “Let me just finish. Because you can’t get your way — let me say something, Mr. President. You just say, ‘My way or we shut down the government.’ We have a proposal that Democrats and Republicans will support to do a C.R. that will not shut down the government. We urge you to take it.”

TRUMP: “If it’s not good border security, I will not take it.”

SCHUMER: “It’s very good border security.”

TRUMP: “If it’s not good border security, I will not take it.”

SCHUMER: “ It’s what —“

TRUMP: “Because when you look at these numbers of the effectiveness of our border security and when you look at the job we are doing —”

SCHUMER: “You just said it is effective.”

TRUMP: “Can I tell you something?”

SCHUMER: “You just said it is effective.”

TRUMP: “These are only areas where you have the walls. Where you have walls, Chuck, it’s effective. Where you don’t have walls, it’s not effective.”

PELOSI: “Let’s call a halt to this. We have come in here with the first branch of government. Article One. The legislative branch. We are coming in in good faith to negotiate with you about how we can keep the government open.”

SCHUMER: “Open.”

TRUMP: “We are going to keep it open if we have border security. If we don’t have border security, Chuck, we are not going to keep it open.”

PELOSI: “We will have border security.”

SCHUMER: “You are bragging about what has been done. We want to do the same thing we did last year this year. That’s our proposal. If it’s good then, it’s good now and it won’t shut down the government.”

TRUMP: “We can build a much bigger section with more money.”

SCHUMER: “Let’s debate in private.”

TRUMP: “We need border security. I think we all agree that we need border security.”

SCHUMER: “Yes, we do.”

TRUMP: “See? We get along. Thank you, everybody.”

REPORTER: “You say border security and the wall. Can you have border security without the wall?”’

TRUMP: “You need the wall. The wall is a part of border security.”

REPORTER: “Can you explain what it means to have border security?”

TRUMP: “Yeah. We need border security. The wall is a part of border security and you can’t have very good border security without the wall.”

PELOSI: “That’s not true. That’s a political promise. Border security is a way to effectively honor our responsibility.”

SCHUMER: “The experts say you can do border security without a wall, which is wasteful and doesn’t solve the problem.

TRUMP: “It totally solves the problem and it’s very important.”

PELOSI: “This spiraled downward from when we came at a place to say how do we meet the needs of American people, who have needs. The economy, people are losing jobs and the market is in a mood. Our members are already —“

TRUMP: “We have the lowest unemployment that we’ve had in 50 years.”

PELOSI: “People in the Republican Party are losing their offices now because of the transition. People are not —“

TRUMP: “And we gained in the Senate. Nancy, we gained in the Senate. Excuse me. Did we win the Senate? We won the Senate.”

SCHUMER: “When the President brags that he won North Dakota and Indiana, he is in real trouble.”

TRUMP: “I did. We did win North Dakota and Indiana.”

PELOSI: “We came in here in good faith and we’re entering into this kind of a discussion in the public view.”

TRUMP: “But it’s not bad, Nancy. It’s called transparency.”

PELOSI: “I know. It’s not transparency when we are not stipulating to a set of facts and we want to have a debate about you, confront some of these facts.”

TRUMP: “You know what? We need border security. That’s what we will be talking about. Border security. If we don’t have border security, we will shut down the government. This country needs border security. The wall is a part of border security. Let’s have a talk. We will get the wall built and we have done a lot of wall already. It’s a big part of it.”

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39 Responses to “The people of this country don’t want …”

  1. Roger

    Meanwhile, Scott Morrison gives Australians permission to discuss where migrants settle but not the overall numbers or their cultural make up because that would be racism.

  2. mh

    Trump needs to shut down government then only open the important bits again.

    Shut down the corrupt FBI permanently and expand US Marshals.

  3. Confused Old Misfit

    we want to have a debate about you

    I thought they wanted to talk about border security?

  4. Dr Fred Lenin

    Typical leftoids we want debste Eight to one against panel to cover the subject in bullshit q=and confuse it so much people cant understand it then wait till it goes away,the lefts nirmal behaviour If a left plan stuffs up keep trying it till it works . If a referenda diest go your way keep having them yill you win .(Brexit) . If you really stuff up ignore it till it goes away . If you fall in a hole you dug start digging to get out . They are just so oredictable .

  5. Mother Lode

    When Pelosi talks about coming ‘in good faith’ and ‘negotiating’, you can only roll your eyes.

    It is the left’s trick to be utterly intransigent even as they talk about compromise.

    They force the other guy to compromise through sheer attrition, and because he can’t bear the pointless round and round any more.

    Having got the opponent to this position they ignite the debate again and, unmoved from the position they took before, drag their opponent to start compromising again edging eat time closer to the position the Left never meant to abandon and have not.

    It has got so bad in Australia that the supposed right-wing political party is a home for left-wing hacks.

    Trump should just dump Schumer and Pelosi on the other side of the wall and invite them to show him how ineffective it is.

  6. Mother Lode

    “Eat time”?

    Try “each time”

  7. jupes

    PELOSI: “I know. It’s not transparency when we are not stipulating to a set of facts and we want to have a debate about you, confront some of these facts.”

    What language is this?

  8. mh

    What language is this?

    * cough * dementia * cough *

  9. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    leftists are assholes

  10. Mother Lode

    I think she means that Trump must proceed from whatever facts she tells him.

    Don’t knock it – it has worked before.

  11. mh

    SCHUMER: “Yes. Here’s what I want to say. We have a lot of disagreements here. ‘The Washington Post’ today gave you a whole lot of Pinnocchios because they say you constantly misstate how much of the wall is built and how much is there, but that’s not the point. We have a disagreement about the wall, whether it’s effective or not —“

    TRUMP: “’The Washington Post’ —“

    Bono had the right idea – send the Schumers to fight ISIS.

  12. Mother Lode

    Bono had the right idea – send the Schumers to fight ISIS.

    Pretty amazing, huh?

    He thinks he has caught out Trump by saying the Washington Post has given him ‘Pinnocchios’.

    It is like that strutting buffoon Acosta not only giving his opinion about the Caravan, but declaring that Trump knows it.

  13. Tim Neilson

    Until the end of this year the Republicans still control the House and the Senate. Why isn’t Trump roasting Ryan and McConnell in public?

  14. Mark M

    Thank you President Trump!

    US accused of obstructing talks at UN climate change summit

    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2018/dec/11/us-accused-of-obstructing-talks-at-un-climate-change-summit

    Credit where credit is due …

    Australia only nation to join US at pro-coal event at COP24 climate talks

    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2018/dec/11/australia-only-nation-to-join-us-at-pro-coal-event-at-cop24-climate-talks

  15. sfw

    If Trump really wanted to build the wall it would under construction right now. He really doesn’t want it but loves to talk about it.
    More than a few Trump supporters are saying they have TDS – Trump disappointment syndrome

  16. cohenite

    More than a few Trump supporters are saying they have TDS – Trump disappointment syndrome

    Fuck off.

  17. duncanm

    SCHUMER: “Yes. Here’s what I want to say. We have a lot of disagreements here. ‘The Washington Post’ today gave you a whole lot of Pinnocchios because they say you constantly misstate how much of the wall is built and how much is there, but that’s not the point.

    so why bring it up, cockhead?

  18. sfw

    Lovely, no content, just abuse. I am a Trump supporter, one a substantial bet on him winning but on the wall he has done nothing and that’s a fact.

  19. sfw

    That should have read won not one.

  20. bespoke

    Trump really wanted to build the wall it would under construction right now

    Do you have reliable news that it hasn’t, sfw? I’m not trying to troll just saying its prudent to sceptical of all information.

  21. mh

    Lovely, no content, just abuse. I am a Trump supporter, one a substantial bet on him winning but on the wall he has done nothing and that’s a fact.

    How much and with which bookmaker.

  22. Anon Mahnà

    but on the wall he has done nothing and that’s a fact.

    Ah, the lefty way of arguing: assert stuff and assume things are true merely by having asserted them.
    From NPR (no friend of Pres. Trump):

    In November, the government announced a $324 million contract for 32 miles of “primary pedestrian replacement wall” in Arizona.
    A 20-mile border wall replacement project in Santa Teresa, N.M., was announced in April 2018. The cost is reported to be $73.3 million.
    A 6-mile “levee wall system” is set for construction in Texas’s Rio Grande Valley beginning in February 2019. It will cost $145 million.
    A 14-mile “border wall construction project” along the border in San Diego was announced in June 2018. The project actually will replace an “eight-to-10 foot high scrap metal wall with an 18-to-30 foot bollard-style wall topped off with an anti-climbing plate.” The cost will be $147 million.

    That’s not a huge amount but it’s not nothing.

  23. bosnich

    ” What language is this”?
    Probably Bollox.

  24. Foxtrot19

    Why do we listen to experts it’s just an opinion like everyone elses

  25. John Constantine

    The quisling traitor elites of australia are well aware of what the australian public tell focus groups and poll surveys they want.

    This is exactly why our craven and contemptable sellout corruptocracy are unswervingly signed up to replace the unworthy existing public with a new imported public that will vote in support of the conventions drawn up by the tyrannies of the world and supplied to the bribed kleptocrats of the great transnational looting cartels.

    Why go through the bloodstained grind of a frontal assault like Verdun, when Tyrannies these days can just find the most venal gutless godless writhing and corrupted things in the cesspit and supply them with enough bribe money to genocide their own culture.

    How far would these have got without the firehose of donated billionaire property developer Landshark money washing away their opposition?.

  26. Craig Mc

    God forbid a politician that intends to keep a promise made to the electorate during a campaign. And lefties wonder why Trump happened.

  27. Megan

    I love his refusal to be distracted from his message. The broken record technique played by a master who never wanders away after the dozen demented squirrels released by Pelosi and Schumer. Go, that man!

  28. RobK

    It’s not often you see an actual strong leader in action.
    I’m hopeful some of our pollies watch and learn.
    It’s good to see Australia backing US on coal & fossil fuels. Bravo. (Now just shut down the RET)

  29. John Barr

    I can see why they wanted this conversation in private. They were taking a thrashing from Trump. He had them at every move.
    Poor bastard even has his own people trying to scuttle him. I can see why they old establishment wants to undermine him. They’re not making any money out of the System they want to control.

  30. Leo G

    “You say border security and the wall. Can you have border security without the wall?”’

    Even Roman emperor Aurelian insisted on border security and the wall. Border security alone doesn’t defend against hit-and-run raid tactics. The Roman Army alone wasn’t enough to preserve the stability of Pax Romana against the barbarian hordes.

  31. MPH

    Australia was given a wall for free (girt by sea) and still managed to f it up, Trump’s wall is only the beginning of the battle for America’s future.

  32. tombell

    we need a wall around Canberra.

  33. David Brewer

    The best bit is near the end (from 2.30 on the first video). No change in message, but Trump has had enough, gets a little angry, misspeaks slightly…and clearly shows he is serious:

    TRUMP: You know what I’ll say? Yes, if we don’t get what we want, one way or the other, whether it’s through you…through a military… through anything you want to call, we’ll shut down the government.

    SCHUMER: OK, fair enough. We disagree. We disagree.

    TRUMP: I tell you what. I am proud to shut down the government for border security, Chuck. Because the people of this country don’t want criminals, and people that have lots of problems, and drugs, pouring into our country. So, I will take the mantle. I will be the one to shut it down. I’m not going to blame you for it. The last time you shut it down, it didn’t work. I will take the mantle of shutting down. And I’m going to shut it down for border security.

    SCHUMER: But we believe you shouldn’t shut it down.

    [Pelosi trying to get words in edgeways]. TRUMP: Thank you very much everybody.

  34. NuThink

    Wonder if Pelosi or Schumer live in walled mansions? Some rich people do. Also some average people do nowadays as there is no wall surrounding the country. The UK always had a “water wall” which they relied on – it did not always work but it helped. Stopped the Germans. Australia and New Zealand also have “water walls”. The Soviets or East Germans built walls but not to keep people out but their people own inside the walls.
    How would Pelosi and Schumer take it if the “caravaners” camped outside their houses (mansions).
    BTW China built a rather large wall a long time ago and they seem to have border security. The Japanese did not need to cross it in the 1930s.
    France built the Maginot line but the Germans just went around it through other countries.
    Walls do work if they are built fit for purpose.

  35. AlanR

    And I thought the right wing nut job zealots wanted to take us back to the ‘good old days’ of the 1950’s and here is Leo G wanting to take us back to the Roman era. We’re all fucked.

  36. Dr Fred Lenin

    Tombell,the Great Wall of Canbberra ! It is to keep fools in isnt it? You will have to stop air trafic too ,and communication blocking to stop the verbal rubbish that emnates from that cesspit mistly fron alpbc and slow briadcasting service.the new name for socialist bradcasting service to fool the punters who pay for it .
    It would improve the environment though wouldnt it .

  37. Mother Lode

    And I thought the right wing nut job zealots wanted to take us back to the ‘good old days’ of the 1950’s

    Opening with such a clanger it is not truly credible for you to pose as insightful.

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