Monday Forum: December 17, 2018

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  1. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    The UK attempted to blockade the Krauts during WW1. It basically worked.

    Half a million German civilians died from disease or hunger. Seems effective enough.

  2. Nick

    Nearly vomited reading the Oz today.
    Uber-faggot Gideon Haigh basically saying that Kohli’s sledging had got into the Aussie’s heads and was A-grade gamesmanship.
    Apparently when Little Davey was doing the same it was tasteless, gross, boorish and just not cricket.
    And, because the Aussies did the same 12 months ago, well they just have to suck it up now.

    Warner was a dick, so is Kohli. Cheating aside, Kohli gets treated with kid gloves. Imagine if the Aussies had reacted the way Kohli did to the similar catch that went against them. Pirate Pete would have been tying ‘racist’ within seconds.

  3. Nick

    No-one says “suicide” in Melbourne as of today.
    We just say that someone has “altitude/gravity disorientation syndrome”.

    Q: name a floating door
    A: Majak Daw

  4. Atoms for Peace

    A little known fact, but back in the 60s, they injected an onanist, advertising executive and a legal team into a particle accelerator. The result was particle called Cwicket.

  5. bespoke

    Armadillo, I no he qualified it. Patriot is fine by me.

  6. JC

    Ronery

    I don’t know the history that well and most certainly neither do you. Recalling a book review or two is not understanding history and neither is reading the occasional book without cross referencing important points made. History is about interpretation of the facts and to be harsh but honest you’ve never demonstrated one iota of having this ability. You’re just not smart enough.

    Germany was devoting a large portion of their resources to fight the war against large number of neighbors and then , later the big elephant.. the US, who came in and tipped them over. Germany didn’t lose the war because they were blockaded. They lost the war because they couldn’t keep up in most facets of sustaining such a crushing campaign. They ran out of everything or were soon about to.

  7. Bruce of Newcastle

    A little known fact, but back in the 60s, they injected an onanist, advertising executive and a legal team into a particle accelerator.

    Atoms – I thought that was the discovery of governmentium.

  8. Atoms for Peace

    Bruce. I will have to check my fluid gender Period table.

  9. bespoke

    JC
    #2888521, posted on December 18, 2018 at 9:18 pm

    No, the krauts lost the war. That’s what worked.

    Have a Snickers JC.

  10. Bruce of Newcastle

    Oh look a squirrel.

    Five million views and 66 thousand comments in one day…

  11. Makka

    So there’s trouble in paradise;

    Indian fast bowler Ishant Sharma directed a vulgar sledge at his own teammate as the tourists self-destructed in a hostile second Test against Australia.

    On a bruising afternoon of the fourth day when Australia laid the platform for what on Tuesday culminated in a pressure-releasing 146-run win, Sharma and teammate Ravindra Jadeja went at each other.

    Great! Excellent setup for the Boxing Day Test at 1 a piece. Good to see Paine get off the mark.

  12. Armadillo

    Comments, please. Old article.

    I’ve always suspected there was something “suss” about the periodic table. No one listened to me. Teachers, parents, siblings….no one.

  13. Stimpson J. Cat

    BON can you please watch the new Bob Lazar Area 51 Doco.
    I would be interested in your opinion.

  14. Stimpson J. Cat

    You too Dot.
    You’ll love it.

  15. .

    Stimpy

    If you like fringe stuff, check out how the CIA still won’t release stuff on FOIA requests regarding MK Ultra and related programmes from even 60 years ago.

  16. cohenite

    From the best show currently going around, the great Ray Donovan: Warm Shadow:

  17. Armadillo

    Stimpy, Mrs A gave me a weird look when I mentioned to her about the “Lizard People” tonight. Never heard of them apparently. Still with Area 51 and the oval headed black eyes. Old school. Sad.

  18. Tel

    Syrian Christians celebrating a little bit of freedom this Christmas.

    https://turcopolier.typepad.com/.a/6a00d8341c72e153ef01bb09e2a949970d-popup

    God bless you kiddies! God bless you.

    Jesus Christ.

  19. mh

    Great! Excellent setup for the Boxing Day Test at 1 a piece. Good to see Paine get off the mark.

    Let’s hope the MCG wicket isn’t going to vacuum the excitement out of the series.

  20. .

    Oldish article. From Cancuckanada.

    https://nationalpost.com/news/what-is-gba-the-federal-intersectional-doctrine-that-governs-everything-now

    It isn’t a victim trump card game, it is an orgy of victimhood.

  21. Armadillo

    Syrian Christians celebrating a little bit of freedom this Christmas.

    That’s pretty creepy. Not as creepy as Aussie kids holding up decapitated heads though.

    Syria is advancing. Slowly. Baby steps.

  22. Armadillo

    Wow, what a fucked up world we live in.

  23. Armadillo

    It’s actually incredibly sad.

  24. Mark A

    Just wondering if this joke would be acceptable today?

    Paddy and Murphy left the village and went out into the woods looking for christmas trees….
    They looked all day without any luck. Near nightfall Paddy finally said, “Murphy, oy’m takin der next tree we come to…… whether it’s got lights on it or not

  25. Dan Dare

    I’ve just noticed that Nathan Lyon’s nickname is Gary.
    After Gary Lyon ex Melbourne (who put the horns on Billy Brownless ex Geelong)
    They were supposedly great mates.
    So, does everyone bowled out by “Gary” become a “Billy”?
    Any other suggestions?
    Thanks in advance.

  26. mh

    Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez
    Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez
    @Ocasio2018
    ·
    15h
    I’m taking a few days to take care of myself before what is sure to be an eventful term.

    For working people, immigrants, & the poor, self-care is political – not because we want it to be, but bc of the inevitable shaming of someone doing a face mask while financially stressed./1

    R i g h h h t ….

  27. Mark A

    mh
    #2888557, posted on December 18, 2018 at 10:26 pm

    Jose Mourinho sacked.

    ???? who is he and what did he do to deserved sacking?

  28. Armadillo

    The second commandment seems to have been ignored by every politician on the planet. It’s why we have the second Ammendment.

  29. mh

    Mark, he was the Manchester United manager.

    You would recognise him, he gets on the news even over here. He’s never hit the high benchmarks that were expected of him.

  30. Mark A

    mh
    #2888562, posted on December 18, 2018 at 10:35 pm

    Mark, he was the Manchester United manager.

    You would recognise him, he gets on the news even over here. He’s never hit the high benchmarks that were expected of him.

    Fair enough, I’m not a scummer, let alone follow the code.
    Mea culpa.

  31. Makka

    Jose Mourinho sacked.

    Jose was awesome back when he was managing Chelsea. His media charm was devastating. That team was fkg freakish. Didier Drogba was unstoppable then. After that, Jose lost his shine.

  32. Mark A

    Fair enough, I’m not a scummer, let alone follow the code.
    Mea culpa.

    Should that be the other way around?
    Grammer Nazis anyone?

  33. Armadillo

    Seriously, these people are so in love with themselves that it’s sickening. Politicians, Hollywood, Public Servants, Business Leaders and Dictators.

    Narcissists. Each and every one.

    It is only the “individual” who can stop the hive mind. Constantly question. Constantly ask. They have no answers to anything other than jibberish.

    The words “Why” and “How” are the most powerful in the history of language. Keep asking.

  34. Tel

    Vladimir Putin proves an unlikely pin-up in Japan topping 2019 calendar sales

    The other calendar was Abe-san.

  35. Armadillo

    I should add “Sports Stars” to the mix. And “Models”. A very small percentage make any money. Just like racehorses and jockeys. It’s the “handlers” that make the quids.

  36. C.L.

    Avenatti on a roll:

    Statue of Liberty climber Therese Okoumou turned to Michael Avenatti to represent her.

    Today she was found guilty on all charges.

  37. Zyconoclast

    California moves its primary from June to early March

    The move favors candidates with the best name recognition and rewards candidates who can corner the largest number of big donors.

    And Senator Kamala Harris.

    The California senator will be the primary beneficiary of the earlier primary. It won’t matter as much where she finishes in Iowa and New Hampshire with her home state primary looming over both of those contests.

    It will be interesting to see candidates moving farther and farther left in order to do well in California while perhaps turning off Democratic voters in the South and the heartland. Any way you look at it, the Democratic nominee to take on Donald Trump will probably be the most liberal candidate in the party’s history

    https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2018/12/california_moves_its_primary_from_june_to_early_march.html#ixzz5a2IC8WUL

  38. Bruce of Newcastle
    #2888497, posted on December 18, 2018 at 8:49 pm

    What a brilliant analogy. Imagine how quickly Titanic would have sunk without bulkheads. We have 5 Anglosphere bulkheads, 4 are flooding, 1 is being drained, slowly.
    If ‘RMS Western Society’ eventually sinks, hopefully karma will see Global Warming shill Di Caprio freezing to death.

  39. Meloni was on fire. Good to see this nationalist turn.

  40. Old School Conservative

    The AFL community has thrown its support behind Majak Daw who is recovering in hospital after a serious incident at the Bolte Bridge last night.
    Emergency services rescued North Melbourne player Daw, 27, who was found in the Yarra River at the Docklands, just west of Melbourne’s CBD, about 11pm last night.
    Daw is believed to have suffered a broken hip but the injury is not life-threatening.

    Poor bloke.
    Tried to take his own life and all he gets is a career-ending injury.
    Now that’s depressing.

  41. Zyconoclast

    House Dems eye quick action on guns in new Congress
    Advocates of curbing gun violence believe the political landscape has shifted decisively in their favor.

    https://www.politico.com/story/2018/12/17/house-democrats-guns-background-checks-1063231

    And

    NJ Doesn’t Say How It Will Enforce Magazine Confiscation After Court Upholds Law
    State won’t answer questions on how it will deal with owners of magazines holding more than 10 rounds

    New Jersey law enforcement officials refused to say on Thursday how they planned to go about enforcing the state’s ban on the possession of any magazine capable of holding more than 10 rounds of ammunition, which goes into effect on Monday.

    Neither the state police nor the attorney general’s office elaborated on how they plan to enforce the law. Nor did they provide any guidance for those currently in possession of the magazines.

    The law, signed by Gov. Phil Murphy in June along with five other new gun laws, gave New Jersey gun owners who currently possess the magazines in question 180 days to either surrender them, permanently modify them to only accept up to 10 rounds, or transfer them to somebody who is allowed to legally own them. The deadline is set to expire on Monday.

    https://freebeacon.com/issues/nj-doesnt-say-will-enforce-magazine-confiscation-court-upholds-law/

  42. mh

    Michael ‘please no’ Moore Oscar fail:

    As the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences narrowed down the Oscar contenders in nine categories on Monday, a number of hopefuls were left by the wayside. Among them was Michael Moore, whose latest film of political criticism, Fahrenheit 11/9, failed to make the documentary feature shortlist.

  43. Armadillo

    There seems to be some confusion between being a “Nationalist” and supporting a “Nation State”. One is a legal term, the other political.

    Words can mean whatever you want, apparently. However you want to twist it.

    “White Christmas” is racist. But it depends who said it. Enough is enough. We are beyond the point of farcical. Way beyond it.

  44. Zyconoclast

    In the Federal Court today, lawyers for Senator Leyonhjelm requested an extension of time to allow them to get sworn evidence from Centre Alliance senator Stirling Griff.

    https://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2018-12-18/david-leyonhjelm-struggling-to-find-support-in-defamation-case/10630916

  45. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Spent the better part of the day mostly around the Heart clinic at the Prince of Wales Hospital where Hairy is undergoing some tests. At least I have been allowed to bring him home. A friend of ours was not permitted to return home after his angiogram and shunted straight into a triple by-pass operation.

    I drove so carefully there and back, even stopped on the way there to let in someone who was patiently waiting for an entry into a line of traffic. She waved at me most appreciatively and then I saw the rear of her car was covered in all sorts of Green signage – Stop Adani etc. So perhaps good deeds towards the deluded really are rewarded in heaven on earth because although Hairy has to have further investigations and treatment, he’s well and home for Christmas.

    Treated myself to two new pairs of shoes at Westfied’s once he was under sedation. He said last night why do you need new shoes? As though the ones I have haven’t worn out yet. lol. That’s how men think about shoes.

    Today it was simply a deflection activity to take my mind off worrying things, but I still worried.

  46. mh

    Dear Feds,

    Donald J. Trump
    Donald J. Trump
    @realDonaldTrump
    ·
    5m
    I hope the people over at the Fed will read today’s Wall Street Journal Editorial before they make yet another mistake. Also, don’t let the market become any more illiquid than it already is. Stop with the 50 B’s. Feel the market, don’t just go by meaningless numbers. Good luck!

  47. Armadillo

    Gay used to mean you were happy.

  48. Makka

    “White Christmas” is racist. But it depends who said it. Enough is enough. We are beyond the point of farcical. Way beyond it.

    Watching a doco on Netflix about 4 towns in the US and how WW2 affected them starting at Pearl Harbour. “White Christmas” came out during the war and was a freakish hit at home and with troops abroad . Ran out of records to sell almost instantly, it was yuuuuuge.

    When our family experienced it’s first white Christmas we understood why. Nothing is quite so magical as little kids enjoying a white Christmas. Even now years later it’s the best. The racism slur is foul but that’s what so many want to do today- destroy and demean happy meaningful traditions.

  49. Armadillo

    That’s how men think about shoes.

    Thongs used to be a mans domain. Now we wear sandles and Sheilahs wear a thong. It’s all gone wrong. Terribly wrong.

  50. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    “White Christmas” is racist.

    But of course. Snow is definitely against glowball warming.
    And Rudolph is a male chauvinist deer.
    While carols are re-engineered to green purposes.
    And there is no innocence any more in Santa.

    Do not think for one minute you should be having any fun at Christmas.
    Nor that it is a Christian celebration with a deep religious meaning.

  51. Armadillo

    Just so you all know, I’ve written a terse letter to Santa about your deeds during the year. Who’s been “naughty” and who’s been “nice”. The latter column was an absolute blank.

    You lot are getting fuck all under your tree.

  52. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    When our family experienced it’s first white Christmas we understood why.

    In the deep mid-winter. Fond memories of Christmases in the snow.

    Hope, renewal, revelation, redemption, and bright lights in the darkness of the world.

    Little towns asleep under starry cold skies, and a magic visitor on a sky sleigh. For most of our children’s childhoods we’ve lived in places with a chimney, Santa’s traditional point of entry. Now, amongst our friends, Santa’s ‘magic door key’ seems to have replaced the chimney to reassure children worried that Santa might give them a miss; an explanation happily accepted because, after all, Christmas is made of magic. Everyone knows that.

  53. Top Ender

    Just saw Rudd’s speech to the Labor Party conference.

    Every day he will wake up and realise he’s a non-entity who’s burnt his bridges behind him.

    Every day.

  54. Armadillo

    mOnts, if Santa leaves you a present, evacuate the house. The “ticking” will be a “dead set” giveaway that it’s probably from someone @ “The Cat”. It’s not a certainty. I’m pretty sure you would make enemies wherever you go.

  55. Zyconoclast

    Melbourne teen jailed for killing father of four Paul Costa in Brunswick carjacking
    A teenager has been sentenced to 18 years’ jail for murdering a father of four in a botched carjacking in Melbourne’s north last year.

    their plan to put Mr Costa to sleep with a chokehold did not work and, during a struggle, the youngest member of the group pulled out a knife and stabbed him in the neck.

    The young men dragged his body out of the vehicle, slamming his head into the ground, before dumping it under a tree

    The group then got back into Mr Costa’s car and dumped it in nearby Coburg when they realised it would run out of petrol.

    https://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2018-12-18/paul-costas-killer-jailed-for-brunswick-carjacking-murder/10629916

  56. max

    The Perth test was won and lost on the toss of the coin. Batting last was a huge disadvantage so Aussies need to be a bit restrained in their celebrations. The MCG will be a flatter wicket and Kohli, the travelling thundercloud, will relish it.

  57. JC

    A while ago I mentioned an American friend who seems to have had an uncanny read on US elections since the 90s , which is when we met working together, came up with Amy Klobucher as the next US president. I had no idea she was and really still don’t. The WSJ is touting her now – not because they support her but the paper is suggesting they could could no worse.

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/could-an-amy-klobuchar-solve-democrats-dilemma-11545056133?mod=cx_picks&cx_navSource=cx_picks&cx_tag=video&cx_artPos=2#cxrecs_s

    She crosses the Cat threshold for sheila candidates. She’s married and has a kid.

  58. DrBeauGan

    Thongs used to be a mans domain. Now we wear sandles and Sheilahs wear a thong. It’s all gone wrong. Terribly wrong.

    The wrong thong.

    I am baffled as to why you lot care about the pronouncements of imbeciles. When someone declares that white Christmas is racist, or calls for banning Rudolph, they are announcing their imbecility. Stop reading. Who cares what imbeciles think?

  59. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    “(Consent is) almost impossible in a dynamic where the power is so drastically imbalanced.

    women apparently have no agency, why do we allow these weak minded creatures to vote?

    And I would say in any working environment, where there is that imbalance of power, the subordinate doesn’t have a great opportunity for expressing themselves freely.

    bullshit

    “So the onus is on the more powerful person not to put the subordinate in that position.”

    Stone said in most industries the powerful person was supported, and that was a cultural issue that needed to be shifted.

    bullshit

    She also said she had sympathy for Rush and that she hoped good would come of his situation

    that’s why you’re piling on to destroy his life, what a stupid f*ckwit.

  60. Armadillo

    I asked Santa if he would give Death Giraffe a “real car” for Christmas. My argument wasn’t very strong. In fact, I argued against it.

    Meh. Tried my best.

  61. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Paddy and Murphy

    Of course they are still acceptable as long as you are nice about it. You can find Paddy and Murphy in remote villages in Ireland to this day when you stop and ask for directions And in any Irish pub after 10pm. To be sure, and it only takes a bit of da drink. Long may it be so, that Auld Ireland is not completely overtaken by the new.

  62. JC

    These faces were created by an AI. I don’t know what to think. Should we be amazed , or say huh, big deal?

    Nvidia’s Scary AI Generates Humans That Look 100% Real

  63. DrBeauGan

    I am thinking of buying my inner child a smartwatch for Christmas. I figure he will enjoy paying for things with it.

    He will be getting me cigars as usual.

  64. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Armadillo, Santa knows your sort.
    Every parent’s threatened to snitch to him at some time or other.
    Funnily enough, they never really do. He’d take no notice anyway.

    Hard to fault him, really. Every kid’s dream.

  65. JC

    There’s a group image at 3.16 second last row, second on the right.

    It’s the spitting image of Tim Southpaw, fat lips and all. Maybe Southpaw was conceived by AI and we weren’t told. Like who really, really knows he exists in real life? 🙂

  66. Mark A

    Sorry to be a sourpuss about White Christmas, but you lot can have it.

    First time in many years that I’m stuck in Europe beyond Dec. and we have snow and cold and ice on the road and on the foot path, the lot.

    Worse is that the snow thaws a bit during the day and gets slushy then freezes at night turning to ice.
    The councils don’t keep up with clearing the minor roads initially, takes time.

    Not liking it at all.

  67. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    I bought my inner-child another bottle of Guerlain’s Shalimar today.
    Heady, but the inner-child likes that. Always keeps a blue-capped bottle of it on the go.

  68. DrBeauGan

    Sorry to be a sourpuss about White Christmas, but you lot can have it.

    It was intended for Christmas cards and for being looked at from inside a house with lots of really big fireplaces.

  69. Armadillo

    Not liking it at all.

    Christmas Grinch.

    Hang around some kindergartens and whisper in kids ears that “Santas not real”. Should cheer you up no end.

  70. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Not liking it at all.

    That’s because you are trying to live in it, not just admire it.
    Shush now, it’s midnight here in our glittery Christmas card world.

    I’ve just finished doing all of my local cards, overseas one’s already sent.
    Virtuous is what I am. And so to bed.

  71. Armadillo

    It was intended for Christmas cards and for being looked at from inside a house with lots of really big fireplaces.

    I’m calling bullshit. How’s Santa going to get down the chimney if there’s a fire? Stop lying.

  72. DrBeauGan

    I’m calling bullshit. How’s Santa going to get down the chimney if there’s a fire? Stop lying.

    You let the fire go out at ten o’clock. Father Christmas merely gets a bit sooty. Everybody knows that.

  73. Armadillo

    Or maybe it’s a fireplace without a fire? Sounds like a trap. Santa needs to know.

  74. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    Sorry to be a sourpuss about White Christmas, but you lot can have it.

    go outside and make a snow angel. lol

  75. Armadillo

    Everybody knows that.

    Apparently not. Now noted.

  76. DrBeauGan

    Or maybe it’s a fireplace without a fire? Sounds like a trap. Santa needs to know.

    You’d think the beer and the mince pies were poisoned.

  77. Mark A

    Armadillo
    #2888611, posted on December 19, 2018 at 12:13 am

    Or maybe it’s a fireplace without a fire? Sounds like a trap. Santa needs to know.

    Didn’t you watch ‘The Santa Clause’ with Tim Allen?
    He even made it down through a stove pipe.

    Had to watch it my daughter loved it.

  78. triggered

    Xmas is just cultural appropriation from us Pagans.

    Armadillo, modern devices don’t ‘tick’ anymore. Try this

  79. Armadillo

    Just looking at photos of Santa. Did he start off with a couple of hundred reindeer or something? He seems rather fat. And jolly. What’s his sled filled up with. Whiskey?

  80. Armadillo

    Pissed off his head by the looks of him.

  81. Armadillo

    FMD. He’s a slave owner. All those little dwarf people. Hammering away. And the fat fucker just sits there insulting them. Ho ho ho.

  82. Armadillo

    Justin Trudeau should be answerable for this shit. Trump needs to build a wall on the Northern Border.

    “Space Force” is now making more sense. I suspect the Clintons are involved.

  83. C.L.

    Congress hasn’t reconvened yet but generation snowflake heroine Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez has announced she’s taking a week off for “self-care.”

    I’m taking a few days to take care of myself before what is sure to be an eventful term.

    For working people, immigrants, & the poor, self-care is political – not because we want it to be, but bc of the inevitable shaming of someone doing a face mask while financially stressed.

    She is already making enormous sacrifices. Nay, Chesty Puller-level sacrifices:

    Before the campaign, I used to practice yoga 3-4x/week, eat nutritiously, read and write for leisure. As soon as everything kicked up, that all went out the window. I went from doing yoga and making wild rice and salmon dinners to eating fast food for dinner and falling asleep in my jeans and makeup.

    Ocasio-Cortez Announces She’s Taking a Week Off For ‘Self-Care’.

  84. Makka

    Congress hasn’t reconvened yet but generation snowflake heroine Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez has announced she’s taking a week off for “self-care.”

    Oh dear.

  85. JC

    More like a twitter cyclone than a storm. Agent orange has gone ape this morning. He’s a very angry young man.

    Donald J. Trump
    ‏Verified account @realDonaldTrump
    25m25 minutes ago

    Michael Isikoff was the first to report Dossier allegations and now seriously doubts the Dossier claims. The whole Russian Collusion thing was a HOAX, but who is going to restore the good name of so many people whose reputations have been destroyed?
    4,898 replies 3,667 retweets 12,196 likes
    Donald J. Trump
    ‏Verified account @realDonaldTrump
    35m35 minutes ago

    ….WILL NEVER BE PROVEN AND ARE LIKELY FALSE.” Thank you to Michael Isikoff, Yahoo, for honesty. What this means is that the FISA WARRANTS and the whole Russian Witch Hunt is a Fraud and a Hoax which should be ended immediately. Also, it was paid for by Crooked Hillary & DNC!
    5,437 replies 4,468 retweets 15,173 likes
    Donald J. Trump
    ‏Verified account @realDonaldTrump
    43m43 minutes ago

    Russia Dossier reporter now doubts dopey Christopher Steele’s claims! “When you get into the details of the Steele Dossier, the specific allegations, we have not seen the evidence to support them. There’s good grounds to think that some of the more sensational allegations…..
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    Donald J. Trump
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    1h1 hour ago

    Illegal immigration costs the United States more than 200 Billion Dollars a year. How was this allowed to happen?
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    Donald J. Trump
    ‏Verified account @realDonaldTrump
    2h2 hours ago

    Facebook, Twitter and Google are so biased toward the Dems it is ridiculous! Twitter, in fact, has made it much more difficult for people to join @realDonaldTrump. They have removed many names & greatly slowed the level and speed of increase. They have acknowledged-done NOTHING!
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    Donald J. Trump
    ‏Verified account @realDonaldTrump
    2h2 hours ago

    I hope the people over at the Fed will read today’s Wall Street Journal Editorial before they make yet another mistake. Also, don’t let the market become any more illiquid than it already is. Stop with the 50 B’s. Feel the market, don’t just go by meaningless numbers. Good luck!
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    Donald J. Trump
    ‏Verified account @realDonaldTrump
    2h2 hours ago

    Good luck today in court to General Michael Flynn. Will be interesting to see what he has to say, despite tremendous pressure being put on him, about Russian Collusion in our great and, obviously, highly successful political campaign. There was no Collusion!
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    Donald J. Trump
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    2h2 hours ago

    Biggest outrage yet in the long, winding and highly conflicted Mueller Witch Hunt is the fact that 19,000 demanded Text messages between Peter Strzok and his FBI lover, Lisa Page, were purposely & illegally deleted. Would have explained whole Hoax, which is now under protest!
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  86. triggered

    In South Park “Where My Country Gone?” (find it, it’s hilarious), Canada builds a wall to prevent Americans from raping Canadian women and preserve Canada’s “cool shit”.

    Also see “The Last of the Meheecans” about a southern border wall to stop all the cheap labour leaving the US.

  87. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Labor conference: factions unite to recognise Palestine as independent state

    Luke Griffiths
    Journalist
    @_LukeGriffiths
    An hour ago December 19, 2018
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    The recognition of Palestine as an independent state will be an “important priority” for a Shorten Labor government after the party’s Left and Right factions averted a messy public debate on the internally divisive issue.

    A resolution passed yesterday at the national conference called on the next Labor government to recognise Palestine as a state, but it does not bind Labor, should it form government, to immediately ­implement that position.

    Any decision to do so would be made by cabinet and be based on expert advice, party sources said. “(Labor) expects this issue will be an important priority for the next Labor government,” the resolution stated.

    The resolution, moved by Penny Wong, “supports the recognition and right of Israel and Palestine to exist as two states within secure and recognised borders”.

    From the Oz. The Palis have rejected seven attempts at a “Two State” solution since the 1930’s. What makes that Wong chap think they are interested in one now?

  88. sdfc

    There can’t be a two state solution while Israel occupies so much of the West Bank.

  89. Top Ender

    Slippery Sam, Chapter 2:

    Bill Shorten was present with other senior party leaders at a Chinese Friends of Labor fundraising dinner in Sydney that is believed to be the focus of a raid on the NSW ALP’s headquarters by the Independent Commission Against Corruption.

    Officials from the NSW corruption body swooped on the ALP Sussex Street offices early yesterday in search of financial records related to an investigation into allegedly undisclosed or illegal party donations in 2015.

    The raid took place while Labor officials were out of Sydney, attending the party’s national conference in Adelaide. Its timing, three months before the NSW election, also caused internal consternation about possible damage as the state party seeks to make itself electable after two terms in opposition.

    The ALP’s head office said yesterday the investigation triggering the raid was linked to “historical” political donations received in 2015, but claimed the NSW Electoral Commission had already fully investigated the matter with the full co-operation of NSW Labor.

    The organiser of the Chinese Friends of Labor dinner, attended by 650 people, was NSW Labor MP Ernest Wong. Another prominent attendee was Chinese property developer Huang Xiangmo, a NSW Labor donor who later came to public ­attention over his financial and personal links to disgraced former Labor senator Sam Dastyari.

    A group photo from the fundraising dinner, held shortly before the NSW election in March 2015, shows Mr Shorten standing close to Mr Wong and Mr Huang, along with federal colleague Chris Bowen, then state party leader Luke Foley and state front bencher Adam Searle.

    Among others in the photo are state MPs Chris Minns, Shaquette Moselman and Sophie Cotsis and party candidates Edwina Lloyd and Simon Zhou.

    The Australian last night sought comment from Mr Shorten about his dinner attendance, and whether he was aware of ­details of the ICAC investigation into the 2015 party donations that prompted the raid. His office did not respond.

    Donations to all state parties in NSW from property developers were banned at the time of the 2015 dinner following a clampdown by former Labor premier Nathan Rees six years earlier. Mr Rees also moved to cap individual donations in NSW to $2000.

    Disclosure details for the NSW ALP issued by the NSW Electoral Commission show the dinner held on March 12, 2015, was listed as “Chinese community dinner to raise fund (sic) for state election — 12/03/2015”. Officially it raised $88,930 on the night.

    Seven months after the NSW election, in October 2015, Mr Huang paid $55,000 to have lunch with Mr Shorten. This sum was later disclosed to the Australian Electoral Commission as a political donation to the federal ALP. In March 2016, Mr Shorten visited Mr Huang at his Sydney mansion, reportedly to seek funds for Labor campaign ads for the coming federal election.

    After allegations were aired about Mr Huang’s possible links to Chinese government officials, and ASIO briefings to major parties about alleged Chinese government interference in Australian politics, Mr Shorten requested in mid-2017 that the ALP not accept any further funds from Mr Huang and some other donors.

    Mr Wong, who was given a seat by the NSW party two years before the 2015 dinner after his big fundraising efforts for the NSW ALP, was a close associate of Mr Huang at the time.

    Labor has since dumped him from a winnable spot on its upper house ticket for the NSW election next March, a move some insiders believe reflected party discomfort about his continued place as an MP in the midst of controversy over foreign donations and ­possible connections to the Chinese Communist Party government in Beijing.

    Before entering parliament, Mr Wong was a Burwood councillor in Sydney’s inner west. He was given the seat of retiring MP and former Labor treasurer Eric Roozendaal. Mr Roozendaal then went on to work for Mr Huang’s property development company, Yuhu Group. One senior party figure familiar with annual Chinese Friends of Labor gatherings said they were arranged by Mr Wong to secure large donations, and billed as an opportunity for the Chinese community to meet Labor leaders.

    Mr Foley, recently forced to resign as NSW Labor opposition leader, did not return The Australian’s call. Mr Wong, believed to be in Hong Kong, was not available for comment.

    The boss of the ALP at the time of the 2015 dinner, Jamie Clements, also did not return calls.

    The ICAC declined to provide information about the raid. A spokeswoman said the corruption investigator did not comment on operational matters.

    The NSW ALP did shed light on the matter, saying it was aware “of an investigation into historical donation matters”. A statement issued by the party said: “The donations in question were received in 2015 and have been fully investigated by the NSW Electoral Commission with the full co-operation of NSW Labor, including the provision of all documents.”

  90. Top Ender

    Sorry – Link should have been to the Oz – no comments allowed for some strange reason….

  91. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    This one’s for Top Ender.

    There’s a very good account of the last year or so, in the life of the U.S.S. Houston in “The Last Battle Station’ by one Duane Schultz.

    There’s an interesting epilogue about how those of her crew, who had survived the Burma Railway, went on to serve during the Korean War, and found themselves face to face with Japanese as a result……

  92. Mater

    Seven months after the NSW election, in October 2015, Mr Huang paid $55,000 to have lunch with Mr Shorten. This sum was later disclosed to the Australian Electoral Commission as a political donation to the federal ALP. In March 2016, Mr Shorten visited Mr Huang at his Sydney mansion, reportedly to seek funds for Labor campaign ads for the coming federal election.

    This can’t possibly be so!
    After all, according to monty, any allegations of dishonest financial conduct against the ALP must be part of a smear campaign because “The unions have more than enough money to pay ALP campaign workers“.
    Based on monty’s undeniable logic, I declare the investigation to be a baseless witch hunt, and submit that it should be denounced and shut down immediately.

    [sarc off]

  93. rickw

    A teenager has been sentenced to 18 years’ jail for murdering a father of four in a botched carjacking in Melbourne’s north last year.

    Remember when car jackings were just a thing that happened in the third world? Since we’ve imported the third world….

  94. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    The UN migration compact spells radical change for Canada

  95. John Constantine

    Granting the peoples liberation army Landsharks the concession to develop property in Australia in return for political donations Is Our Strength.

    Comrade Maaaaates.

  96. Remember when car jackings were just a thing that happened in the third world?Remember when car jackings were just a thing that happened in the third world?

    Yeah.
    But there is high risk for carjackers.
    Jacking the car of brutal psycho, like myself, ensures that carjacking will, eventually, become a fringe hobby.

  97. John Constantine

    Granting the Tyrant for life of all the chicoms, and his totalitarian secret police the concession to sell off Australia’s hospitals and Australia’s schools and Australia’s roads and railways for personal profit Is Our Strength.

    Because we pretend it is only dogbox apartments being sold.

    And our politicals get gifts of beads and mirrors as donations for unswerving compliance.

    Comrade Maaaaates.

  98. John Constantine

    Paying the chicom peoples liberation army to dynamite our power plants and sell us slave labour solar panels to replace them Is Our Strength.

    Follow the money.

    Comrade Maaaaates.

  99. John Constantine

    All the way with Tyrant Xi.

    Is Our Strength.

    The beads and mirrors are too shiny and pretty to resist.

  100. stackja

    Leigh Lowe
    #2888436, posted on December 18, 2018 at 7:39 pm
    Please, please, gentle people.
    Can we refrain from sledging fellow posters?
    It is not that sort of blog.

    Most Cats know who the Joker is. Sinc will decide.

  101. stackja

    MSM still Broad-minded. But football stories share paper front page.

  102. mh

    The TDS should have been identified and treated:

    ‘SNL’ Boss Lorne Michaels Sends Pete Davidson to Get Help After Mental Health Scare

    …This comes after Pete Davidson posted a message to his Instagram page Saturday reading, “i really don’t want to be on this earth anymore. i’m doing my best to stay here for you but I actually don’t know how much longer I can last.”

    ….The comedian, who made headlines last year after posting a picture of his Hillary Clinton tattoo, shared his struggles with mental illness earlier this month, saying that he won’t listen to internet bullies and will not commit suicide.

    https://www.breitbart.com/entertainment/2018/12/18/snl-lorne-michaels-sends-pete-davidson-to-get-help-after-mental-health-scare/

  103. stackja

    mh
    #2888662, posted on December 19, 2018 at 8:01 am

    TDS can’t be treated it is incurable.

  104. mh

    Scam alert:

    Al Gore
    @algore
    People from all over the world are being forced to migrate because the climate crisis is affecting their livelihood. The migrant caravan from Central America is a recent, startling example. This
    @FT
    video connects the dots in a profound way.

  105. Mother Lode

    Xmas is just cultural appropriation from us Pagans.

    I truly tire of this kind of retarded nonsense.

    Are you saying the pagans of your particular flavour made it up out of the blue? Or were there traditions that might go back before that?

    When you use the word ‘pantry’ are you uncomfortable with the fact that people typically keep more than just bread in it? If you ask for a sandwich are you expecting it should only be meat and bread, as per the original order of John Montagu, Earl of Sandwich? Do you think the Queen should change the name of Buckingham Palace, what with it not being on the Palatine Hill of ancient Rome?

    Everything flows from precedents, but are you living your grandfather’s life? Or 10th century ancestors’ lives? They were, if European, at least mostly Christian. Does that place an obligation on you to go to Mass?

    The meaning of something is not reliant on its history – otherwise things that we had no history of would have no meaning.

    By the way, if you intend by writing Xmas to be avoiding the word ‘Christ’, you should check why they use ‘X’ (Greek Chi). Suffice to type: ‘Χρήστος’.

  106. None

    Say what happened to Mark Knight? Did he ever come back to cartooning after everyone had the hissy fit over his Serena cartoon?

  107. Shy Ted

    In an ABC excerpt KRudd described Gillard as “formidable”. Wrong “F” word.

  108. stackja

    1991 Bob outed by Paul.

  109. Mother Lode

    More like a twitter cyclone than a storm. Agent orange has gone ape this morning. He’s a very angry young man.

    I wonder if the first three weren’t messages to Gen Flynn telling him that the dossier is about to fall through – which might affect Flynn’s sense of where Meuller’s Inquisition will end up.

    You can be sure he won’t have heard about it from the MSM.

  110. stackja

    Labor embarrassingly left out ‘Q’ in LGBTIQ, forcing a scramble to amend policy
    Jack Houghton, The Daily Telegraph
    December 19, 2018 12:00am
    Subscriber only

    Queer!

  111. Mother Lode

    The Palis have rejected seven attempts at a “Two State” solution since the 1930’s. What makes that Wong chap think they are interested in one now?

    Labor has a bounteous supply of ‘great negohshyaidaas’.

    And their policies can be easily grafted onto a one party state which will have authority over every aspect citizens lives and run great propaganda campaigns when they inevitably screw it up.

  112. pete m

    Labor embarrassingly left out ‘Q’ in LGBTIQ, forcing a scramble to amend policy
    Jack Houghton, The Daily Telegraph
    December 19, 2018 12:00am
    Subscriber only

    Quite.

  113. ABC reports that researchers think transient Motor Neuron disease could be caused by a fungal infection after noting horses with ryegrass staggers exhibited similar symptoms.
    They observed rural people had higher incidence of the disease due to exposure to the fungus on grass.
    If true, the disease could be treated with a broad spectrum anti fungal drug.
    The anti chemical loons were using the disease in their propaganda to ban farm pesticides. They are always wrong.

  114. Mother Lode

    You mean Χριστός.

    Crap. I have been celebrating the wrong holiday.

    I have been putting wesents in the bockings.

    No wonder they always call me a chuckwit.

  115. Top Ender

    U.S.S. Houston in The Last Battle Station

    Thanks Zulu – one for the list….

  116. Mother Lode

    Doctors baffled after Texas girl’s inoperable brain tumor disappears

    Have they checked behind the fridge and under the cushions on the sofa?

    Until this is confirmed by peer review I am calling bullshit on this.

  117. lotocoti

    Labor embarrassingly left out ‘Q’ in LGBTIQ

    So they weren’t talking about laser guided bomb targeting indicators.

  118. notafan

    I’m fascinated how paganism was handed down to moderns.

    How many gods did you worship as iirc pagans referred to rural people who worshipped the old Roman gods, which were borrowed from the Greek gods?

  119. Bruce of Newcastle

    Welcome to the 21st century.

    Witches Offended Trump Keeps Using The Term ‘Witch Hunt’

    “To have him compare his situation to the worst period in our history is just infuriating,” Kitty Randall, a witchcraft author who goes by “Amber K.” in the witching world, told the Daily Beast’s Will Sommer. She insisted that historical witch hunts have left a “traumatic emotional imprint” on modern-day witches.

    I wonder when our local covens will agitate to change the name of witchetty grubs?

  120. Tel

    Are you saying the pagans of your particular flavour made it up out of the blue? Or were there traditions that might go back before that?

    Ahhh yeah, it’s called the Earth orbiting the Sun (or Sun orbiting the Earth if you want the historical perspective) and it was the people of Europe who build giant sundials to figure out the exact day of midsummer and midwinter, partly to plan food supplies and survival, but also it took on a religious purpose.

    Winter involves food storage and midwinter is the checkpoint when you can start going a bit easier on drawing down your stores on the way to spring (Easter).

    One of the oldest relifious festivals in humanity, and very Pagan.

  121. Rae

    So sad. The PGiC Family Slush Fund has been found to be fraudulent and is being closed under supervision. Can’t wait for an outraged tweet from the twat:

    PGiC
    PGiC
    @realPGiC
    .
    5m

    Denying my family access to other people’s money is UN-CHARITABLE!

  122. Old School Conservative

    Armadillo
    #2888584, posted on December 18, 2018 at 11:22 pm
    Gay used to mean you were happy.

    Hence the old joke “At the party, everyone was feeling gay. So Gay went home.”

  123. Tel

    How many gods did you worship as iirc pagans referred to rural people who worshipped the old Roman gods, which were borrowed from the Greek gods?

    Pagan is regularly used to refer to anyone European and pre-Christian. It isn’t specific.

  124. Top Ender

    Gestures won’t whitewash such bitter personal hatred
    TROY BRAMSTON

    Bill Shorten’s gesture in bestowing Labor life membership on Paul Keating, Kevin Rudd and Julia Gillard underscored his desire to make the party’s 48th national conference a showcase of unity ahead of the next election.

    Shorten did so in a “spirit” of unity, gratitude and respect.

    Acknowledging the bitterness between Rudd and Gillard, indeed hatred, as they tore each other down in government, Shorten said “there has been a lot of pain”.

    This celebration of “healing”, as Shorten called it, was well meant, but it was conducted in an unreal atmosphere where delegates could be forgiven for thinking it was a bizarre alternative universe from an old Star Trek episode.

    Has the party forgotten Rudd’s second hefty memoir, The PM Years, published just weeks ago, in which he lashed Shorten and trashed his former colleagues, including Gillard, Wayne Swan, Jim Chalmers, Tony Burke and Jason Clare? And are we meant to forget what they said about him?

    Rudd wrote Shorten thought he deserved a more important job than parliamentary secretary for disabilities and children’s services.

    “He was hoping for something more,” Rudd wrote.

    Burke also, apparently, thought his talents deserved more than the agriculture portfolio. And Clare, who supported Rudd’s return to the prime ministership, was described as having a PhD in “political treachery” because he dared to suggest Rudd should make way for a new leader after losing the 2013 election.

    Rudd accused Chalmers of repeatedly crying and begging for preselection in the PM’s office ahead of the 2013 election.

    He also took aim at Gillard, who he accused of secretly plotting to bring him down for months, being silent in key cabinet debates and in thrall to the CFMEU.

    In her memoir and in interviews, Gillard said Rudd led a chaotic and dysfunctional government, and was not mentally or physically “coping” with the strains of being prime minister. Others, such as Burke, Stephen Conroy and Nicola Roxon, echoed those attacks.

    Sitting on the stage was Rudd’s former treasurer Swan, now Labor’s national president. Just months ago, Rudd attacked Swan’s presidential candidature and urged him not to nominate.

    In his memoir, Rudd attacked Swan for being “treacherous” and “a coward” for not opposing Gillard’s leadership coup in 2010.

    “He didn’t even have the guts to come and front me and tell me face-to-face what he had decided to do,” Rudd wrote.

    Rudd said Swan was an “incompetent” treasurer who lacked “a basic level of intellectual software”, did not learn on the job and performed poorly in parliament.

    The statement Swan issued after Rudd resigned as foreign minister to launch a leadership challenge against Gillard in 2012 has since passed into Labor lore.

    It was drafted by Chalmers, then on his staff, and it didn’t miss: “The party has given Kevin Rudd all the opportunities in the world and he wasted them with his dysfunctional decision-making and his deeply demeaning attitude towards other people, including our caucus colleagues.”

    Rudd also found time in his speech to attack John Howard and Malcolm Turnbull and compared Peter Dutton to Lurch from The Addams Family and the corrupt cops of the Bjelke-Petersen era.

    Rudd has not followed Gillard’s example of dignity and grace in retirement. The bitterness unleashed by the Rudd-Gillard wars won’t be salved by handing over a medallion. Rudd said it was time to leave it all to “history” to judge — but let’s not have any whitewashing of the past.

    Oz print edition

  125. stackja

    Christ Mass origins don’t matter. An important event happened. The date doesn’t have significance. I just celebrate the happening.

  126. Rudd has not followed Gillard’s example of dignity and grace in retirement.

    LOL

    No one wid TLS’s distinked phrasink has dignidy or graydes.

  127. Bruce of Newcastle

    Rudd has not followed Gillard’s example of dignity and grace in retirement.

    He doesn’t want to be outdone by Turnbull?

  128. notafan

    Tel the word pagan is defined as people who worship many gods particularly people from pre main stream religious period ie ancients so my question regarding which gods you worship is still valid.

    Or do you think pagan is another word for atheist?

    I’m always a bit confused too because a certain Abrahamic religion is several thousand years old.

    And it really doesn’t matter; the fact is there are 365 days in a year and Christ was born on one of them. The fact that some other religion has a feast day on around the same time is hardly relevant or even surprising.

    Incidentally 25th December wasn’t plucked out of the air.

    if we had plucked a random date out of the air ‘pagans’ would have said all but that’s our day for blah blah

    In Catholicism the calendar is crowded with Saints days, you can say oh yeah but that’s such an such a day in paganism and we’ll say who cares? Saint Nicholas Saint Therese of lisieux St John Paul the second are all real people.

    Just like Jesus Christ.

  129. Mother Lode

    Witches Offended Trump Keeps Using The Term ‘Witch Hunt’

    Hunters are far more balanced and composed people.

  130. Twostix

    The bugman class are a class in the traditional sense. Trump kicked the top off the western political nest thinking (as we all did) that were dealing with a small cabal of political elitists that could be decapitated. That underneath that, in the public service and board rooms was the traditional old middle class waiting to reassert itself.

    Wrong!

  131. C.L.

    Flynn sentencing shock …
    Clinton appointee Judge Sullivan has told Flynn that pointing out the FBI lied (which it did) indicates he isn’t cooperating and he will go to jail unless he stops defending himself (which is not allowed in his court). The scatterbrained beak accused Flynn of “treason” for talking to foreign officials (which was his job), then withdraws that allegation (presumably after a clerk told him it wasn’t true).
    What a crack head.
    Most strange that Sullivan was gunning for that missing, eventually doctored, 302 and then turns on Flynn a few days later. It seems the FBI has something on Sullivan.

  132. Cactus

    Further on Labor and the LGBTIQ thing.

    Cant wait to see the controversy arise and then is B taken out of it because that assumes there are 2 Genders. *shots fired*

  133. stackja

    Morte D’Arthur by Alfred Lord Tennyson

    Pray for my soul. More things are wrought by prayer
    Than this world dreams of. Wherefore, let thy voice
    Rise like a fountain for me night and day.
    For what are men better than sheep or goats
    That nourish a blind life within the brain,
    If, knowing God, they lift not hands of prayer
    Both for themselves and those who call them friend?
    For so the whole round earth is every way
    Bound by gold chains about the feet of God.

  134. C.L.

    The etymology of ‘pagan’ is pāgānus – literally, rural hillbilly.
    It was a disparaging term for people who – unlike the urban converts to Christianity – held fast to the dopey old polytheistic heathenism.

  135. dover_beach

    One of the oldest relifious festivals in humanity, and very Pagan.

    The trouble for this theory is that Natalis Invicti and Saturnalia or Yule are not the same festivals, and the dates are not the same. Further, what is celebrated at Christmas and Natalis Invicti or Saturnalia or Yule is also not the same or even similar. So, at most, what we have is a theory that explains the date but nothing else.

  136. Leigh Lowe

    Labor embarrassingly left out ‘Q’ in LGBTIQ

    Quokka?
    Quota?
    Quim?
    Queanbeyan?

  137. stackja

    Leigh Lowe
    #2888707, posted on December 19, 2018 at 9:45 am

    ALP also left out commonsense.

  138. John Constantine

    The regulator removes restrictions on interest only loans.

    The cycle is heading down and the State and regulators are blinded by the light.

  139. stackja

    Labor has stopped caring about the working class
    WARREN MUNDINE
    Warren Mundine
    December 19, 2018 12:00am
    Subscriber only

    In the 2007 election barely a moment passed without a Labor politician uttering the phrase “working families”.

    It was part of Rudd’s pitch to Howard’s battlers, aspirational working people who want to get ahead. For the 2019 election the phrase has been replaced by “fairness”. In Labor’s 2018 National Platform “fair” and its variants get more than 200 mentions. “Working families” gets none. It symbolises how far Labor has moved from its origins.

    I came from Labor’s traditional base, raised in a working-class family in country NSW and western Sydney.

    Everyone I knew lived in or just above poverty, were members of a union and voted Labor. The labour movement’s goal was to lift people like us out of poverty. Not with welfare but by answering our aspirations in education, jobs, income, home ownership and retirement.

    We took advantage of the opportunities available to us, many of which were championed or enabled by the Labor Party and the unions, things like more accessible tertiary education, compulsory superannuation, maternity leave, negative gearing and the mining and property booms. Through these opportunities, we achieved better education, higher incomes and greater personal wealth. We became homeowners. Our children went on to university or into business.

    When Labor says “fair” what it really means is “the same”. It’s not “fair” that rich people get free education and health care but Labor doesn’t want to means test Medicare and public schools. Labor’s “fairness” is actually a mindset that no one should get more than anyone else and government will punish them if they do.

    Labor used to be the party for working class people like my family who wanted to do better and see their kids do better still. The Hawke/Keating governments understood our aspirations. They also understood that economic strength is needed to support universal public services and that strong industries and the private sector are what create jobs. They brought in economic reforms and lowered personal and company tax. Howard’s battlers were actually from Labor’s traditional base. Now Labor is going to an election promising to punish the very people who got ahead under policies it once championed.

    Current polling suggests Labor is on track to win the next election, not because of its policies but because the Coalition has been racked with division since the moment it came into office. This isn’t going to be a normal election where change is driven by a desire for a new direction for the country. But we’ll end up getting a new direction and it will punish working families.

    Nyunggai Warren Mundine AO is author of Warren Mundine — in Black and White and chairman and managing director of Nyungga Black Group

  140. Tel

    Tel the word pagan is defined as people who worship many gods particularly people from pre main stream religious period ie ancients so my question regarding which gods you worship is still valid.

    Who said I worship any gods? The people who started the midwinter festival tradition in Europe worshiped Pagan gods, that’s just what happened in history, nothing that we do today can change the past. Christian tradition appropriated that festival, and ascribed it to the birth of Christ, even though the tradition is much older than Christ.

    WTF does “validity” even mean in this context? Who gets to decide which god is “valid”? You think you can pretend something different happened in history because you have retrospectively decided to invalidate some of that.

  141. Mother Lode

    One of the oldest relifious festivals in humanity, and very Pagan.

    So are you saying that when people are celebrating Christmas what they are really doing is celebrating the Winter Solstice?

    The key idea here is what people are ‘really’ doing.

    I would argue that historical precedence is not essence. And it is a very particular history. That there is an unbreakable threads that run through all of history so everything present is really whatever things were 10,000 years ago.

    Does it really mean anything to say that when I speak English I am ‘really’ speaking German, Latin, French etc. The Germanic tribes, the Romans and the mediaeval French would probably disagree. They might recognise a sound, but they would not consider I was ‘really’ speaking their language.

    I would argue that all the changes that have been made dwarf the original, and they are far closer to the essence than remote historical precedent.

    We lump different Pagan beliefs together, but to the Sumerians, Greeks and Celts there were substantially different. We can theorise about their origins but if we say that Christmas is not really a festival in its own right, then these classical versions of pagan mythology are not either. In fact the stories of the interactions of the various deities would seem to describe historical events and natural mnemonics. Would you argue that when we celebrate Christmas we are really celebrating that and all the ceremonies surrounding Christmas as just unnecessary add ons?

  142. stackja

    Again Christ Mass. The rest of Christmas is commercialism.
    Matthew: “2:1 Now when Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judaea in the days of Herod the king, behold, there came wise men from the east to Jerusalem, 2:2 Saying, Where is he that is born King of the Jews? for we have seen his star in the east, and are come to worship him.”
    Mark: “2:1 And it came to pass in those days, that there went out a decree from Caesar Augustus that all the world should be taxed.

    2:2 (And this taxing was first made when Cyrenius was governor of
    Syria.) 2:3 And all went to be taxed, every one into his own city.

    2:4 And Joseph also went up from Galilee, out of the city of Nazareth, into Judaea, unto the city of David, which is called Bethlehem; (because he was of the house and lineage of David:) 2:5 To be taxed with Mary his espoused wife, being great with child.

    2:6 And so it was, that, while they were there, the days were
    accomplished that she should be delivered.

    2:7 And she brought forth her firstborn son, and wrapped him in
    swaddling clothes, and laid him in a manger; because there was no room for them in the inn.”

  143. Roger

    Christian tradition appropriated that festival, and ascribed it to the birth of Christ, even though the tradition is much older than Christ.

    Slight problem with that theory – history.

    The date of Christmas was established before the Christianisation of western & northern Europe

  144. Tel

    The date of Christmas was established before the Christianisation of western & northern Europe

    https://www.thefreedictionary.com/appropriated

    To take possession of or make use of exclusively for oneself, often without permission: My coworker appropriated my unread newspaper.

  145. stackja

    What will it be like with Bill Shorten as prime minister if Labor wins the federal election?
    Sheradyn Holderhead, The Daily Telegraph
    December 19, 2018 12:33am
    Subscriber only

    It’s the list of key policies that will accompany Bill Shorten to The Lodge if, as expected, he becomes the nation’s next prime minister.

    A Rudd-style housing scheme that could be open to scammers, an increase in our humanitarian migrant intake and the abolition of the indigenous work-for-the-dole scheme are all on a Labor government’s agenda.

    A plan to recognise Palestine as a state, more aggressive moves to combat climate change and the establishment of a new environmental protection agency are all key priorities of Mr Shorten’s party.

    As the ALP national conference came to a close yesterday, Mr Shorten sought to prove he has full control of his party by neutralising controversial issues through closed-door factional deals.

    In a bid to show stability, any heated debate and votes on the conference floor — where the party is supposed to be at its most democratic — were blocked in favour of factional deals sewn up away from the public eye.

    The hatchet-burying was illustrated when Mr Shorten stood alongside Kevin Rudd — the party’s former leader who Mr Shorten helped knife — as he was handed Labor lifetime membership.

    At the end of the three-day event voters now know that a Shorten government would recognise Palestine as a state, hand more power to unions and make fighting climate change a key foreign policy.

    In an attempt to please union heavies who provide much-needed election campaign muscle, Industrial Relations spokesman Brendan O’Connor gave a pledge to allow unions and workers to pursue wage claims against multiple employers.

    On Monday, the conference passed a resolution to ensure a future Labor government would consider if law firms had “anti-union” history before awarding them government contracts.

    Labor’s Left wing was handed a massive victory on the recognition of Palestine with agreement on a motion passed by the NSW ALP last year which has been strongly criticised by the Victorian Right — Mr Shorten’s faction.

  146. stackja

    $137k spent on suspended Parramatta CEO Mark Stapleton to stay home
    Matt Taylor, Urban affairs reporter, Parramatta Advertiser
    December 19, 2018 6:18am
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    A councillor has called for suspended Parramatta Council CEO Mark Stapleton to be paid out as costs to ratepayers soar amid an investigation into claims he faked his CV to get the $500,000-a-year job.

    Yesterday marked 100 days since Mr Stapleton was suspended on full pay — a cost of $137,000 so far — after council referred his recruitment process for an external review.

    Council says the investigation by former Industrial Relations Commissioner Jane Seymour will run until at least the end of January, when the cost of paying Mr Stapleton to stay home would increase to $197,000.

    Independent councillor Lorraine Wearne said council needed to “bite the bullet” and pay out Mr Stapleton as “everyone is in state of flux”.

  147. stackja

    Rita Panahi: How Life of Brian became real life
    Rita Panahi, Herald Sun
    December 18, 2018 6:30pm
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    We are living in the Life of Brian. Who could have predicted that Monty Python’s 1979 masterpiece would be prophetic in foreseeing society’s gender neutral folly? In one scene, characters played by Eric Idle and John Cleese discuss the injustice of men not being able to carry babies:

    Stan: I want to have babies.

    Reg: You want to have babies?!?

    Stan: It’s every man’s right to have babies if he wants them.

    Reg: But … you can’t HAVE babies!

    Stan: Don’t you oppress me!

    Reg: I’m not oppressing you, Stan. You haven’t got a womb! Where’s the foetus going to gestate? You gonna keep it in a box?

    (Stan starts crying)

  148. dover_beach

    The people who started the midwinter festival tradition in Europe worshiped Pagan gods, that’s just what happened in history, nothing that we do today can change the past. Christian tradition appropriated that festival, and ascribed it to the birth of Christ, even though the tradition is much older than Christ.

    No, Natalis Invicti and Saturnalia or Yule are not the same. Further, appropriating a date, at most, is not the same as appropriating a tradition. This theory you’re promoting is overreaching.

  149. stackja

    Police intervene in fight between large group of youths in Mill Park
    Josh Fagan, Herald Sun
    December 19, 2018 7:57am
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    A wild fight in Mill Park brought traffic to a standstill as a boy’s head was stomped on and another girl was hospitalised with head injuries after being hit with a tree branch.

    Frightened neighbours watched on as the brawl spill onto the middle of Mill Park Dr, in Melbourne’s north, about 2.30pm on Tuesday.

    About 20 people were caught up in the scuffle as two feuding groups faced off before wrestling, getting each other in headlocks and trading blows.

    CCTV footage captured the moment a flurry of punches was thrown and one girl can be seen stomping on a boy’s head.

    Tribal?

  150. candy

    One of the oldest relifious festivals in humanity, and very Pagan.

    The Lefty world trying to convert Christmas to a pagan thing, as a sign of hatred of the Right really, a way of sneakily converting people from any thoughts of Christianity to their unGod world.

    The word “pagan” though still conjures up images of nutty witch-craft and human sacrifices. It really rankles them to be called pagans.

  151. Roger

    https://www.thefreedictionary.com/appropriated

    No, Christians didn’t appropriate/steal the mid-winter festival.

    The old traditions were kept by many and gradually assimilated into the new faith despite the best efforts of the missionaries – cf. Boniface felling Jove’s Oak. This process of inculturation, whereby a converted people adapt culturally to Christianity, is a feature of mass, ethnos-based conversions. The same thing happened in central Australia, for example; the Lutheran missionaries attempted to ban the indigenous rites, but the aborigines kept them secretly and gradually adapted them to their now strongly held Christian beliefs. When the missionaries realised this, and that the old rites provided a sort of social glue that kept the community functioning, they relented.

  152. Rae

    Pru Goward is abandoning ship.

  153. Snoopy

    Are insurance companies prudently accepting the Bureau of Meteorology’s predictions or venally exploiting BOM’s hysteria?

    Either way homeowners lose.

  154. JC

    Rae
    #2888756, posted on December 19, 2018 at 10:42 am

    Pru Goward is abandoning ship.

    Not necessarily, Gools. Sheilas generally don’t like working hard, so it could be that.

  155. JC

    The etymology of ‘pagan’ is pāgānus – literally, rural hillbilly.

    Yea naaa, it doesn’t have the same ring to it as bogan or redneck.

  156. candy

    Pru Goward is abandoning ship.

    Possibly the NSW election is a little bit of a test for the Morrison government, although I don’t think state issues have much of a bearing on federal issues usually.
    But if Premier Berejiklian can’t win with a good economy and ICAC raiding the Sussex St Labor place because of Chinese donors and invisible Foley being dumped for another invisible leader, it bodes ill for the LNP.

    And just look at Shorten’s agenda/vision for Australia. He’s gone totally leftwards, verging on socialism. He must feel great confidence in winning.

  157. JC

    I always like the original Star Trek. Shatner and Mr. Spock made the show.

    MeToo has become hysterical and like the French Revolution declares William Shatner as he defends Christmas classic Baby It’s Cold Outside from the censors and says he now has to refrain from complimenting women on their ‘great legs’

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6504445/William-Shatner-says-MeToo-hysterical-like-French-Revolution.html

    He’s 87!

  158. JC

    Read the tweets he sent, at 87 Shatner’s brain is first rate.

  159. Bruce of Newcastle

    Reg: I’m not oppressing you, Stan. You haven’t got a womb! Where’s the foetus going to gestate? You gonna keep it in a box?

    Says everything that you couldn’t make Life of Brian today. The SJWs would howl, and the Pythons would be immediately banned from Twitter, Facecchook, PayPal and Patreon.

  160. Twostix

    Christmas is godless for the western nations now anyway. We lost it spiritually in the 1930’s – 1950’s when Jesus and anglo christian traditions were replaced in mass pop culture by US hollywood communists pushing the Soviet’s contrived “Father Frost” into our culture with the blessing of always retarded capitalists who saw a good way to capitalise and debase a spiritual foundation stone of the nation (like they’re doing with open borders – let’s call it the communist-capitalist two step dance). For us he exploded onto the scene in the 30’s (coincidentally the exact same time as the Soviet’s were doing the same) masqueraded in syrupy movie theatre cartoons as the mass manufactured carefully 100% secular “Santa Claus”.

  161. jupes

    I always like the original Star Trek. Shatner and Mr. Spock made the show.

    Shatner played a great character in Boston Legal.

    Shame it became unwatchable due to lefty lecturing.

  162. candy

    Paganism/gaia worshippers/Satanism – all much the same idea really.

  163. C.L.

    Scottish parliament bans gingerbread men.

    Gingerbread men have been replaced by gingerbread persons in the Scottish Parliament’s coffee shop in case the traditional name causes offence.

    The move comes as a strategy aimed at stamping out sexual harassment and sexism was introduced at Holyrood this week after a survey found 30 per cent of women working there believed they had been sexually harassed.

    As tough as I am on Muslims, I’ve always admired their stance on banning women from all substantive governing roles.

  164. calli

    Scottish parliament bans gingerbread men.

    Swap from trews to kilts. Keep the bonnet.

    Problem solved.

  165. stackja

    Mum’s the word as Tim Paine takes down a King
    BRETT STUBBS, Sports Editor, Mercury
    December 19, 2018 8:54am
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    IT might have been a quiet word from his mum that helped inspire Tasmanian Tim Paine to step up and take down Indian superstar Virat Kohli.

    “When we were in Adelaide last week he saw him batting in the nets and he said, ‘He’s just awesome’, and I said, ‘But Tim he’s just like you. He’s just a man’. That’s how Tim treated him.

  166. stackja

    PM ‘out of touch’ on climate, says NSW energy minister
    The Daily Telegraph
    an hour ago
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    The NSW energy minister has accused the federal government of being out of touch on energy and climate policy and says it’s time for a change of course.

    NSW Energy Minister Don Harwin has urged the government to end its “climate wars” and provide certainty on reducing emissions, ahead of a meeting with his colleagues from across Australia.

    NSW Glad Bag

  167. Twostix

    A marker of christmas shopping for the kids now is a mass of bored parents wandering around the toy section of kmart with their young kids, parents: “hurry up and choose what you want from santa” kids: “I want this from santa, this from santa and this from santa”.

    -1000 effort from the parents, and Kmart becomes Santa for the kids.

    The whole thing has nearly run its course. An unsentimental populace can’t sustain a secular idea that requires sentimentalism that only a religously inclined population has.

  168. calli

    I love Shatner too. He’s larger than life, even doing a cartoon voice. He was the melodramatic opossum in “Over the Hedge”.

  169. calli

    And then there’s Tim Allen doing a “Shatner” in Galaxy Quest. Even down to losing his shirt. 🙂

  170. stackja

    NSW Liberal Minister Pru Goward announces retirement
    Danielle Le Messurier and Rose Brennan, The Daily Telegraph
    7 minutes ago
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    NSW Liberal Minister Pru Goward will retire at the state election in March 2019 revealing her 87-year-old husband is “very unwell” and “now is the time to be with my family”.

    Earlier this month Ms Goward was preselected for the seat of Goulburn meaning the party will have to rush to find a replacement before the March election.

    During an emotional press conference with Premier Gladys Berejiklian, Ms Goward said her 87-year-old husband David Barnett was in poor health.

  171. stackja

    @PruGoward
    I have decided to retire at the state election in March 2019. This was a difficult decision to make and one I make in the best interests of my family. Until then I will continue to work hard for this great government and my wonderful constituents. #nswpol

  172. Top Ender

    “A large income is the best recipe for happiness I ever heard of,” Jane Austen wrote in Mansfield Park. Perhaps, but how much large is enough? It turns out not as much as you may think.

    In Australia, the magic figure is $184,000 a year for a single person, according to a landmark study published in the science journal Nature this year.

    For households of two and four people, the level of annual income at which extra dollars generate no extra happiness is $260,000 and $368,000, respectively.

    Sounds like a load of bollocks. If anyone can’t get past the paywall and wants the whole article loaded, just say.

  173. Top Ender

    Obviously the study was done by a team that breakfasted on “smashed” avo and toast every morning, along with an $8 cup of “coffee” – which was actually steamed milk.

    And they each drove a Tesla.

    $184k for a single person is ridiculous. Presumably the aim of the authors is to justify jacking up wages for everyone.

  174. jupes

    NSW Energy Minister Don Harwin has urged the government to end its “climate wars” and provide certainty on reducing emissions,

    What is wrong with these fucking idiots?

  175. John Constantine

    Don’t like Tim Paines chances for a big payday at the next Indian Premier League auctions.

    Calling a big head a big head is standing up for your country, but at a price.

  176. Mother Lode

    provide certainty on reducing emissions,

    They actually think it better be certain that we are screwed than to check if we are.

    What appalling people.

  177. pete m

    Wednesday forum people – head on over to the new thread, just yonder >>>>>>

  178. NSW Energy Minister Don Harwin has urged the government to end its “climate wars” and provide certainty on reducing emissions,

    What is wrong with these fucking idiots?

    For starters they are idiots.

    Note that “idiot” is a broad term. A finer classification of the type of idiot you are dealing with is required.

  179. Bruce of Newcastle

    Here’s a PR problem: why build a $5 billion wall if what’s in place already kept out the hordes? Do Republicans like expanding Federal debt that much?

    The Dems are going to waste it all anyway, so why not spend it on something actually useful instead. It’d help keep all those Bangladeshis out.

    Why does the US have thousands of Bangladeshis walking across their southern border?
    It’s a mystery.

  180. notafan

    Tel Roger has you with the date, Dover has you with the nothing like either of the other feasts.

    I’m sure it was you that brought up Easter Eostre a while back.

    To which we responded Pascal.

    You can try as hard as you like Christmas is not a northern European pagan festival we stole.

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