Wednesday Forum: December 19, 2018

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  1. Tel

    3) Recall that in the Victorian election the Coalition lost the seat of Mildura to an independent who campaigned on climate policy

    Oh so voters only voted on a single issue?

    Ali Cupper won Mildura in 2018 and her campaign site is here … https://alicupperindependent.nationbuilder.com/cost_of_living

    You can search hard, but there’s not the slightest mention of Global Warming, Climate Change or anything similar. A lot of discussion about budgets, cost of living, water allocation, road building, trains. Perhaps she mentioned Global Warming at some stage in an interview, but it certainly was NOT a prominent campaign issue. Perhaps those ABC fact checkers knocked off too early?

  2. DrBeauGan

    bespoke
    #2890225, posted on December 21, 2018 at 3:45 pm
    If people are going to pile on DrBeauGan I may have to take sides but what one? and who would have me? I’m cheep

    It seems to amuse the children, so toss a coin if you want. Sometimes this place makes me feel mature. It’s not what I’m used to, but I can handle it.

  3. Please name those policing disasters.

    Fitzgerald Inquiry gone into your forgettery, has it Sockers?

  4. I’m with ya Beaugy.
    Who needs pummeling?

  5. DrBeauGan

    incoherent rambler
    #2890244, posted on December 21, 2018 at 4:33 pm
    I’m with ya Beaugy.
    Who needs pummeling?

    Only m0nty, who confused an oblique insult with an attempt to ingratiate myself with him. But m0nty enjoys being noticed, so it’s probably better not to.

  6. Katarina Carroll has never worked in any capacity overseeing disasters.
    None whatsoever. She was just another dumbo police officer before being fast-tracked as a poster-lady for affirmative action. Nor – despite being the boss of the Queensland fire brigade – has she ever been a fireman. She was appointed to her current role because she has a vagina. And that is literally true. The appointment followed a ginned up sexual harassment ‘scandal.’

    I’ll see your Katarina and raise you Abdul, C.L.

    CFA a home away from home for Abdul
    “I want to be a firefighter,” Abdul said as he drove with Jenny to the Macedon Ranges, after spending 22 months in immigration detention.

  7. Monty (trembling): Are you going to whip me now?

    Beaugy (long pause): NO.

    Sadism and masochism at work.

  8. cohenite

    Only m0nty, who confused an oblique insult with an attempt to ingratiate myself with him. But m0nty enjoys being noticed, so it’s probably better not to.

    The problem doc is you and others here make occasional concessions to the troll; it comes from the left and the consequences of the left are plain. It’s best to view them as a disease: quarantine and vaccination or a prophylactic if one has to engage, preferably to insult, are the only measures rationally available.

  9. cohenite

    An example of the left mind at work:

  10. P

    We The People Will Fund The Wall

    $10,647,126 of $1.0B goal

    Raised by 174,706 people in 4 days

  11. Mitch M.

    Queensland Brain Institute finding may revolutionise dementia treatment.

    It is a very novel approach. I’m not confident it will translate well for humans and I think the behavior testing on the animals must have been incomplete. I prefer the “diffusion” strategy for eliminating protein aggregates, cerebral spinal fluid\glymphatic\plasma aggregate elimination.

    BTW people I’m not going to waste my time in the endless fights that go on here. The internet is replete with that and I’m done with it.

  12. Please name those policing disasters.
    Fitzgerald Inquiry gone into your forgettery, has it Sockers?

    Note: No policing disaster named.
    Merely an inquiry which collared a few SP bookies & a couple of call girls.

    Why mention Policing Disasters if you’re unable to point to even one such disaster?

  13. We The People Will Fund The Wall

    $10,647,126 of $1.0B goal

    Raised by 174,706 people in 4 days

    That’s a lotta Mexicans. Jajajajajajajajaja!

  14. $10,647,126 of $1.0B goal
    Raised by 174,706 people in 4 days

    Does this work like the P&C does?
    i.e. the govt goes dollar-for-dollar?
    In that case only need 8 million people to each put in $60

    This could become interesting.

  15. Note: No policing disaster named.
    Merely an inquiry which collared a few SP bookies & a couple of call girls.

    Hoo boy, we’ve got a Fitzgerald Inquiry troofer here. Didn’t think those still existed in the wild.

    Let’s go to the videotape:

    Significant prosecutions followed the inquiry leading to four ministers being jailed and numerous convictions of other police. Former Police Commissioner Sir Terence Lewis was convicted of corruption, jailed, and stripped of his knighthood, and former Premier Sir Joh Bjelke-Petersen was charged with perjury for evidence given to the inquiry though the trial was aborted due to a hung jury.

    It’s raining between your ears, Sockers.

  16. Significant prosecutions followed the inquiry leading to four ministers being jailed and numerous convictions of other police. Former Police Commissioner Sir Terence Lewis was convicted of corruption, jailed, and stripped of his knighthood, and former Premier Sir Joh Bjelke-Petersen was charged with perjury for evidence given to the inquiry though the trial was aborted due to a hung jury.

    You sure you want to call that a policing disaster?
    Really sure?
    Really honest injun scoutz honour type sure?

  17. Turns out the dude behind that GoFundMe wall thing is a long-running grift artist. But hey, you lot are dumb enough to keep paying him.

  18. DrBeauGan

    The problem doc is you and others here make occasional concessions to the troll; it comes from the left and the consequences of the left are plain. It’s best to view them as a disease: quarantine and vaccination or a prophylactic if one has to engage, preferably to insult, are the only measures rationally available.

    I agree Cohenite, he’s deranged and in a very unhealthy way. But I am a kindly bloke and feel sorry for his wife and kids.

    I’ve met some others like him, and in real life they creep me out too much for kindliness, there being something horrible about the evident brain malfunction. They simply don’t permit themselves to see what is there when it conflicts with the programming. Deliberately turning yourself into a robot is rather like what the followers of Cybele did when they castrated themselves. Making a huge sacrifice to an insane god or goddess.

    Makes decent people want to vomit.

  19. You sure you want to call that a policing disaster?
    Really sure?
    Really honest injun scoutz honour type sure?

    Hmm, four ministers jailed, police commissioner convicted of corruption and premier charged with perjury? Yes, yes I do want to call that a disaster.

    Anyone who plays Comical Ali for that shyte show was probably on the take themselves.

  20. H B Bear

    Another beclownment for Dr Graegooglery MD QC. Just another day at the Cat. Put it in the vault for LOLs down the track.

  21. Hmm, four ministers jailed, police commissioner convicted of corruption and premier charged with perjury? Yes, yes I do want to call that a disaster.

    Name the Four Ministers.

  22. Oh come on

    The Ben Shapiro Show today exposes some pretty enormous holes in his knowledge of foreign affairs. He believes the US should just bang its shoe on the table a bit harder and NK, Iran etc will meekly submit. Spoken mid-rant about how the US needs to use its leverage more or somesuch:

    Terrorist regimes, rogue regimes, don’t really have a habit of [moderating]. And if they want to moderate, you know what they can do? They can always do what Muammar Gaddafi did before we killed him. They can hand over their nuclear weapons. Scot free! Nothing’s stopping them from doing it right now!

    Ya didn’t really think very deeply about what you said here, did you, Ben?

  23. Oh come on

    Turns out the dude behind that GoFundMe wall thing is a long-running grift artist. But hey, you lot are dumb enough to keep paying him.

    And how much did “you lot” donate to Jill Stein’s doomed-to-fail recount fundraisers which went nowhere and the funds kicked back to her? There’s plenty of stupid to go ’round, m0nts. It isn’t a partisan thing. I know this is hard for you to understand. Take your time.

  24. DrBeauGan

    Ben Shapiro gets his speed of response by being as shallow as Euclid’s plane. Pity, because he’s not as stupid as he can appear.

  25. Top Ender

    I have landed amongst some Lefties for Xmas.

    My Trump arguments are:

    1) Trump is fighting for the West and very few other people are. (Most of these people are so woke they have not heard of the new UN migration idea…)

    2) Trump did, and does, more for the USA than Clinton ever would have done.

    3) Who cares what the USA does for their leader. Do these people criticise Putin, or are they “concerned” about him? Can they name the evil leader of China?

    I am marshalling some major arguments against the Warmists.

  26. Name the Four Ministers.

    Leisha Harvey, Don Lane (no not that one, another one), Brian Austin and Geoff Muntz.

    Russ Hinze should have suffered the same fate but he died before going on trial. Petersen also was guilty as sin, and was only saved by corrupt cops installing a Young National as jury foreman.

    Keep defending that bunch of crooks though Sockers, it’s a really good look.

  27. Oh come on

    Shapiro is very fond of saying “two things can be true at once”. He’s very unhappy about the US withdrawal from Syria, and points at the disastrous US withdrawal from Iraq to illustrate the Syrian exit.

    Ben, two things can be true at once. The US withdrawal from Iraq was bad. The US withdrawal from Syria is good.

  28. Boambee John

    From the Wall to Wall Street tgread.

    m0nty
    #2890143, posted on December 21, 2018 at 2:20 pm
    Monty, the Fed is raising rates during a bear market.

    And you think the “Deep State” had anything to do with that? Like I said, pure insanity.

    Rothschild want a globalist enabler in the White House, not a nationalist.

    Oh great mh, overt anti-Semitism. Not for the first time from you. Do you realise that Sinc tends to ban people talking the way you do?

    You can tell when a lefty has run out of logical arguments, they always reach for a victim card. This time it is the race card, but it might have been sex or Islam, depending on the context.

    Still, this raises an interesting question. I had placed m0nty in the fascist (nationalist) left, but the way he arced up at the mention of globalism suggests that he might be part of the communist (internationalist) left.

    Fess up, m0nty, which are you? Don’t worry anout explaining why a dedicated lefty also runs a private business, we accept that all leftys are hypocrites, inquiring minds just want to clarify what group you belong to.

  29. mh

    Terrorist regimes, rogue regimes, don’t really have a habit of [moderating]. And if they want to moderate, you know what they can do? They can always do what Muammar Gaddafi did before we killed him. They can hand over their nuclear weapons. Scot free! Nothing’s stopping them from doing it right now!

    Did Benjamin Shapiro really say that? O.M.G.

  30. Stimpson J. Cat

    I just found it strange how you can deny something that can’t be proved to exist in the first place?

    Atheists are akin to me walking around assuring people that I am completely sane whilst asking politely if they can see the flock of invisible black helicopters piloted by bald cannibal Richard Dawkins clones that are following me everywhere?
    You would immediately think I was a right mad c$nt and back away sharpish.
    The only thing worse than an Atheist is a Atheist Vegan Lesbian.
    They are even worse than Monty.

  31. Oh come on

    You can check the tape. Today’s podcast on YouTube. 30min 25sec.

  32. Stimpson J. Cat

    OCO stop being mean to Ben Shapiro.
    OK this is not epic.

  33. Name the Four Ministers.
    Leisha Harvey, Don Lane (no not that one, another one), Brian Austin and Geoff Muntz.

    Leisha Harvey – done for 9 (Nine) charge only, out of 124 charges laid. Total ripoff of under $8,000 spent for personal stuff on her govt Amex card.
    Don Lane – done for using his govt. Amex card to buy lunch.
    Brian Austin – done for likewise, total amount lower than $9,000
    Geoff Muntz – likewise, but an amount lower than $5,000

    Real Mr. Bigs. That Fitzgerald Enquiry achieved less than 2 plain clothes Constables could achieve by a quick walk around town on foot.

    The Police Commissioner jailed for corruption? Mmm.. hmmm…. Yep.

    A person (former Premier) charged with.. perjury, but no conviction achieved.
    (We’ll ignore your bullshit about the jury – you can’t box well enough to defend that scurrilous allegation in public)

  34. DrBeauGan

    The only thing worse than an Atheist is a Atheist Vegan Lesbian.
    They are even worse than Monty.

    How can you say that? What have atheist vegan lesbians ever done to you?

  35. Petersen also was guilty as sin, and was only saved by corrupt cops installing a Young National as jury foreman.

    You’re unaware that it is not police who pick the jury. Lol.
    But keep commenting on law court matters. Lol.

    Got a quick comment on the number of Trade Union members on the jury?
    Got an explanation as to why they, who outnumbered the lone Young National, were unable to sway anybody?

  36. Rockdoctor

    A shattering new record for one day rainfall in a North Queensland town?

    Halifax (near Ingham) received 681mm of rain in the 24 hours to 9am this morning 122mm of that falling in only one hour. 394mm was recorded in the six hours to 1 am today.

    An eddy on the surface formed just to the south ex Clclone Owen before being absorbed into the ex-cyclone. They are not uncommon in these parts at this time of year especially when the Monsoon trough is around. The thing that made this one special was the fact it was close enough to Ex cyclone Owen and close enough to the coast to cause an area of convergence in the areas around Hinchinbrook. Where you get these areas at this time of year you get rain events up round 500 or more mm. Google Night of the Noah in Townsviille, similar rainfall figures…

  37. Stimpson J. Cat

    How can you say that? What have atheist vegan lesbians ever done to you?

    I’m hoping Monty will take me out for a free lunch when I visit that disgusting sh$thole of a city at some point in the New Year.
    I’m laying the groundwork now.

  38. struth

    Struth. You’ve had your haemorrhoids removed. Bet the morphine was a Godsend. But, not much help for your terminal verbal diarrhea.

    None of it is working.

    There’s still a pain in the arse.
    When I read your left wing moronic outbursts of brain cancer riddled tosh, it’s as bad as ever.
    Honestly, how long have you got left?
    Are you in Victoria?
    They can help you out.

  39. mh

    You can tell when a lefty has run out of logical arguments, they always reach for a victim card. This time it is the race card, but it might have been sex or Islam, depending on the context.

    Yeah, and it’s nearly time to dig out the Serena Williams victim card video.

  40. Tel

    I’m hoping Monty will take me out for a free lunch when I visit that disgusting sh$thole of a city at some point in the New Year.

    You are going with Monty to Malmo?!?

    Whoa that is crazy.

  41. mh

    Some big weather coming through SE Qld in the next couple of hours, but it doesn’t look anything extraordinary.

  42. DrBeauGan

    Stimpson J. Cat
    #2890287, posted on December 21, 2018 at 5:47 pm
    How can you say that? What have atheist vegan lesbians ever done to you?

    I’m hoping Monty will take me out for a free lunch when I visit that disgusting sh$thole of a city at some point in the New Year.
    I’m laying the groundwork now.

    You like living dangerously, Stimpy. You’d likely get JC as well.

  43. struth

    I have landed amongst some Lefties for Xmas.

    My Trump arguments are:

    1) Trump is fighting for the West and very few other people are. (Most of these people are so woke they have not heard of the new UN migration idea…)

    2) Trump did, and does, more for the USA than Clinton ever would have done.

    3) Who cares what the USA does for their leader. Do these people criticise Putin, or are they “concerned” about him? Can they name the evil leader of China?

    I am marshalling some major arguments against the Warmists.

    I’ll be asking a few self important wankers over Christmas if they know who Antonio Gutterres is and what he is about, how come the UN only thinks western carbon is a problem yet we are facing such un emergency we need to shove corks up cows arses to stop them farting and wait for the explosion!!

    I’m going to take no prisoners this Christmas as it’s Mrs Struth’s side and we are going down to lefty HQ.
    An arrogant wanker who’s brother died when he was young leaving a huge payout and then won the fucking lottery!
    Looks down on others as if he earned every red cent.

    There will be a scene silencing comment , I can feel ut inme bones,.

  44. Scrolling back I see Farkin bothered to track some loon who reckons hurricanes have slowed down since 1949, in line with Climate Change projection.
    Pray tell, how does the learned fellow know the exact speed of a hurricane to a 10% tolerance before the advent of satellite tracking? They are twisty turny things that even now are very hard to exactly predict speed and track. He is very smart indeed.
    Curious use of 1949 as start date. I smells a rat.

  45. struth

    You can tell when a lefty has run out of logical arguments,

    I’ve never heard one logical argument from a lefty ever.
    You’ve got to have something before you can run out of it.

  46. JC

    You like living dangerously, Stimpy. You’d likely get JC as well.

    Oh lord, I know what my dream was all about the other night. I swear as God is my judge, or how much I love my kids, I had a nightmare the other night that caused me to wake up in a fright.

    I saw an image of myself and I was bald. Not just bald but like I had two hair track marks on the top of shiny balding head. Totally horrifying.

    I couldn’t go out for lunch with Stimson in case it’s contagious.

  47. Mitch M.

    by bald cannibal Richard Dawkins clones that are following me everywhere?

    A recent poll of British scientists found that most dislike Dawkins. It was laypeople who thought he explained genetics and evolution. Intelligent informed people knew he was being misleadingly simplistic but that is a recipe for high book sales.

  48. Zatara

    I have landed amongst some Lefties for Xmas.

    Sit back, sip your whiskey, smoke your pipe, and quietly sharpen your bayonet. It won’t always be Christmas.

  49. struth

    Sit back, sip your whiskey, smoke your pipe, and quietly sharpen your bayonet. It won’t always be Christmas.

    Pure class.

  50. struth

    Where’s the bloody Friday thread?

    GoogleRae will be dead by the time it comes along?
    Trump will be impeached…………………………………………………….any day now, any day.

  51. Katarina Carroll, according to Monty, was in Qld Police for some “Policing Disasters”

    Sure was:
    Locked up one Conservative Female Politician for daring to go against the sisterhood & be a ‘righty’
    (Actual charge, buying lipstick on the govt issued Amex) Needed 124 charges to get 9 to stick.
    For buying lunch on their govt issued Amex, got Three members of the patriarchy jailed.
    Has the scalp of the Police Commissioner on her belt, for corruption.
    Charged one person with perjury, but couldn’t make it stick.

    Yeah, she’s exactly what the Qld ALP wanted in to emasculate the Fire Brigade.

    She was appointed to break balls, not to put fires out or rescue cats.
    She is very qualified for what she was appointed to do.

  52. struth

    Hey Monty, trying to get around the lefties on FB closing you down is a grift artist?

  53. Never, at a gathering of either side of my family, as extended as you want to make that gathering, has there been a Labor voter.
    I’ve never had the experience of any lefty crashing a Christmas Party or other family event.
    Not even a neighborhood Christmas gathering.

    I dips me lid to all you folk with diverse family & friends.

  54. Tel

    A recent poll of British scientists found that most dislike Dawkins. It was laypeople who thought he explained genetics and evolution. Intelligent informed people knew he was being misleadingly simplistic but that is a recipe for high book sales.

    Dawkins came up with the idea of a “meme” which is probably the world’s first self-proving theorem in science and possibly will be the only one. Every big thinker attracts grumblers … even Trump has a few people who disagree with him. Can’t make everyone happy.

  55. The Police Commissioner jailed for corruption? Mmm.. hmmm…. Yep.

    LOL at least you concede that one.

    Are you one of the Cats who used to be a cop?

  56. I saw an image of myself and I was bald. Not just bald but like I had two hair track marks on the top of shiny balding head. Totally horrifying.

    Dude, you’re Italian. You can just get a transplant from your back.

  57. JC

    Talking about Dawkins reminds me. I went to the cafe down the road to start me off with a coffee and a cig. I keep my cig stash there so as I limit consumption down to one cig during the day. These days, keeping it down to one instead of three is aspirational. Anyways I was walking in and who should be sitting outside, but the “chief” scientist and that ugly little dwarf who runs the Conversation.

    “Chief”, Alan Finkel lives in a nice apartment one street up. I believe it’s the penthouse. The little Grub from the Conversation is Andrew Jaspin, who was fired from the Age.

    I’m really not at my best in the morning and I think it was Godly intervention I didn’t abuse them. Well actually it was mainly because it could have caused me problems with keeping the cig stash at the cafe if I abused their patrons.

    Jaspin needed a kiddies seat.

    Finkel is the piece of shit perfectly happy seeing rising energy costs.

  58. JC

    Go eat a bag of donuts, Fatboy.

  59. Oh come on

    Shapiro hasn’t jumped the shark IMO. I like a lot of his commentary on US politics and he is a good advocate for socially conservative values. I also think he goes to very great lengths to apply his principles in a non-partisan way (he’s basically the anti-m0nty).

    The things that annoy me about him – he’s kinda school marm-ish. He just can’t deal with the Trump phenomenon. He is really autistic about it. Ok Ben you think Trump should get off Twitter. That’s only the 764 thousandth time you’ve said that. Trump is a package – you can’t trim the bits off that you don’t like and keep what you do. Whatever drives Trump to tweet out arguably unadvisable stuff also drives him to do arguably unadvisable things like recognising Jerusalem as Israel’s capital.

    I’m also sick of Shapiro’s whinge about Trump being “bad for the country” because he “damages the social fabric”. The social fabric is damaged beyond repair, Ben. Trump didn’t do this. It happened when the left decided the right was evil. We now have two choices when it comes to the left – capitulate or fight. Trump fights. Shapiro thinks it would be possible for a President to unify the country. Not possible, Ben.

    And his foreign policy instincts frequently suck – he ought to have a deeper knowledge of what he comments on.

    Peterson has completely jumped the shark, though. After his Kavanaugh trainwreck, I just can’t take him seriously anymore.

  60. Zatara

    I dips me lid to all you folk with diverse family & friends.

    In my circle we call a truce over the holidays. Those who can’t restrain themselves get shit on vigorously by both sides. A foul is a foul.

  61. Death Giraffe

    Dawkins is shit.
    Boring as hell.
    Like, what is it with atheists?
    Do they think it has never occurred to anyone else?
    Read his damn book. Unoriginal, trite, stupid shit.
    Listen, losers, it isn’t 1669 anymore. Or even 1969.
    You aren’t some cool and daring anti- authoritarian contrarian genius.
    We all grew up with atheism as a constant background noise.
    Atheism is like progressivism.
    It is the new cathdral. Why don’t you make yourselves useful and put your self- proclaimed brilliance to work knocking it down?

  62. calli

    * sashays in whistling a tune, hands in pockets *

    Good evening Cats. Everyone playing nice? Hope so, my Gerni’s on the blink.

    Where’s the new thread?

  63. mh

    You definitely don’t want to be travelling Brisbane to Gold Coast right now.

    Severe weather imminent.

  64. DrBeauGan

    Dawkins is shit.

    But so is everything else, Death.

    Actually, Dawkins is educated, intelligent and witty. I can see why you wouldn’t like him.

    He’s repetitive, like most pundits.

  65. Rockdoctor

    Qld Corruption. Read the Sheppherdson Report and look at the names that come up there who later were mediocre Ministers in Beatties Government. One was even a long term serving Mayor of Townsville who seems to keep getting his undeserved snout into public troughs with the mess he made of the TCC’s finances. A couple I recognise as ex Councillors as well. From memory almost no-one was charged and practically all those who were got off. TCC is still heavily involved with the ALP mates club & it is looking that the CCC will be dragged kicking & screaming to investigate pretty soon.

    Then there was our equivalent of the Obeid saga, Gordon Nuttall & Ken Talbot. Ken was a heartbeat off being indicted when he met with an unfortunate end in Africa. The man they gave a state funeral for Mackinroth was charged but beat the rap, he had links with Developers and was the go to man if councils got too pesky, Google Indigo & Mackenroth.

    Queensland Politics has stunk for years and it emanates from both sides but all anyone talks about is Sir Joe. There as bad as each other & will only investigate to a superficial level as a result…

  66. Zatara

    You definitely don’t want to be travelling Brisbane to Gold Coast right now.

    If you are sailing there perhaps. It’s a 15 minute squall line.

  67. rickw

    An example of the left mind at work:

    You can only be a lefty if you are pretty much ignorant of everything, therefore you never get embarrassed about how bloody stupid you are, you just plough on with your idiocy regardless.

  68. rickw

    About to do MAJ-HNL-LAX-MEL

  69. JC

    Actually, Dawkins is educated, intelligent and witty. I can see why you wouldn’t like him.

    I couldn’t give a toss what he believes, Doc. But is he really that smart, or just a show pony? He doesn’t appear to even understand the theories he supports and advocates. He has no idea what evolution means.

    RICHARD DAWKINS: I very much hope that we don’t revert to the idea of survival of the fittest in planning our politics and our values and our way of life. I have often said that I am a passionate Darwinian when it comes to explaining why we exist. It’s undoubtedly the reason why we’re here and why all living things are here. But to live our lives in a Darwinian way, to make a society a Darwinian society, that would be a very unpleasant sort of society in which to live. It would be a sort of Thatcherite society and we want to – I mean, in a way, I feel that one of the reasons for learning about Darwinian evolution is as an object lesson in how not to set up our values and social lives.

    https://www.abc.net.au/tv/qanda/txt/s3469101.htm

    He also has no idea what Thatcherism was about. The fucker is a total clown and an abusive one at that.

  70. Oh come on

    Dawkins came up with the idea of a “meme”

    It is true that he can dine out on that forever. He’s a fine scientist, even though he seems like a bit of a xunt as a person.

    The problem I have with his brand of atheism is that his knowledge of philosophy and theology seems very limited. I don’t believe you can be considered an informed atheist if you’ve based your beliefs on the least compelling and most meagre or distorted representations of your opponents. An outstanding proponent of a perspective such as atheism ought to be able to ‘steelman’ the religious perspective. Atheists tend to be contemptuous of the religious perspective, so this is beyond most of them. Certainly it is beyond sneering types like Dawkins.

    Camille Paglia is a rare example of an atheist who possesses a deep knowledge of theology and the philosophy that underpins the religious perspective. It is no coincidence that she is very respectful of this perspective, even though it isn’t one she holds.

  71. Oh come on

    Dawkins came up with the idea of a “meme”

    It is true that he can dine out on that forever. He’s a fine scientist, even though he seems like a bit of an arsehole as a person.

    The problem I have with his brand of atheism is that his knowledge of philosophy and theology seems very limited. I don’t believe you can be considered an informed atheist if you’ve based your beliefs on the least compelling and most meagre or distorted representations of your opponents. An outstanding proponent of a perspective such as atheism ought to be able to ‘steelman’ the religious perspective. Atheists tend to be contemptuous of the religious perspective, so this is beyond most of them. Certainly it is beyond sneering types like Dawkins.

    Camille Paglia is a rare example of an atheist who possesses a deep knowledge of theology and the philosophy that underpins the religious perspective. It is no coincidence that she is very respectful of this perspective, even though it isn’t one she holds.

  72. Oh come on

    Sigh. What are the banned words again?

  73. Tom

    I’m really not at my best in the morning and I think it was Godly intervention I didn’t abuse them. Well actually it was mainly because it could have caused me problems with keeping the cig stash at the cafe if I abused their patrons.

    Strategic strategy is the best strategem, JC. Well done! Don’t let tax thieves you wouldn’t wipe your boots on upset your daily start-up.

    God I miss the gaspers. Coming up 10 years since I gave away my beloved Old Holborn cigarette tobacco — such an exquisite flavour. Wouldn’t go back to them, though — not even on days like today when Big Government public service trollscum parasites who’ve never earnt a dollar of their own make arseholes of themselves, the only thing they’re capable of.

  74. Oh come on

    Let’s see if I can isolate the offending paragraphb

    Dawkins came up with the idea of a “meme”

    It is true that he can dine out on that forever. He’s a fine scientist, even though he seems like a bit of an arsehole as a person.

  75. Oh come on

    The problem I have with his brand of atheism is that his knowledge of philosophy and theology seems very limited. I don’t believe you can be considered an informed atheist if you’ve based your beliefs on the least compelling and most meagre or distorted representations of your opponents.

  76. Oh come on

    The problem I have with his brand of atheism is that his knowledge of philosophy and theology seems very limited. I don’t believe you can be considered an informed atheist if you’ve based your beliefs on the least compelling and most distorted representations of your opponents.

  77. Oh come on

    The problem I have with his type of atheism is that his knowledge of philosophy and theology seems very limited. I don’t believe you can be considered an informed atheist if you’ve based your beliefs on the least compelling and most meagre or distorted representations of your opponents.

  78. Oh come on

    The problem I have with his type of a the ism is that his know ledge of philos ophy and theol ogy seems very limited. I don’t believe you can be consid ered an infor med athei st if you’ve based your beliefs on the least comp elling and most meagre or disto rted represent ations of your oppon ents.

  79. Oh come on

    An outstanding proponent of a perspective such as atheism ought to be able to ‘steelman’ the religious perspective. Atheists tend to be contemptuous of the religious perspective, so this is beyond most of them. Certainly it is beyond sneering types like Dawkins.

  80. Rae

    Where’s the bloody Friday thread?

    Ah, you must have tears in your eyes from the excruciating pain of taking post-haemorrhoidectomy dumps. The bigger they were the worse the pain. I’d guess you were really riding high in the saddle on yours. Just stop drinking that frogs-eyes stuff that makes you go even when you don’t want to. The vascular surgeon won’t mind, he probably gets some pleasure from what he’s put you through.

    He’s not to blame for your verbal diarrhea though.

    [The Friday thread is actually the Saturday thread. Normally starts at a minute past midnight.]

  81. Herodotus

    Brad Norrington in The Australian:
    GetUp has no “membership” and is run by a small cabal of (mainly) ex-Labor people under a company board structure. Activities/policies appear to be governed mostly by what’s in Labor’s interests rather than what any polls of “supporters” turns up. Funding is anything but “transparent” despite calls for governments to be more transparent. As far as “non-aligned” protestations go, not known for ever supporting anyone but Labor & Greens, while always opposing conservatives.
    Short story: no surprises there.
    Abetz is right and they should be registered as an associated body with Labor, or register as a political party after actually enrolling those “supporters” who turn out in considerable numbers at every election handing out HTV cards as members.

  82. DrBeauGan

    His biological science is a bit simplistic, JC, but mainly correct and he writes well. His political ideas are as dumb and ignorant as most academics. That’s close to moronic. If you judged him by his politics your conclusions would be fair. But academics don’t usually have much direct experience of reality. They read about it and indulge themselves and each other.

  83. Oh come on

    Camille Paglia is a rare example of an atheist who possesses a deep knowledge of theology and the philosophy that underpins the religious perspective. It is no coincidence that she is very respectful of this perspective, even though it isn’t one she holds.

  84. JC

    I like the english dude with the Frog name, who is an atheist. I have a great deal of respect for him and I believe Doc (here) sounds very much like him.

  85. mh

    You definitely don’t want to be travelling Brisbane to Gold Coast right now.

    If you are sailing there perhaps. It’s a 15 minute squall line.

    Not only that it weakened as it got closer to the coast.

  86. DrBeauGan

    The Ancestor’s Tale is worth reading. By Dawkins. I like facts, and it has lots.

  87. Tel

    I have often said that I am a passionate Darwinian when it comes to explaining why we exist. It’s undoubtedly the reason why we’re here and why all living things are here. But to live our lives in a Darwinian way, to make a society a Darwinian society, that would be a very unpleasant sort of society in which to live.

    Yeah a lot of lefties struggle with that one, so Dawkins we kind of forced to go with the herd (couldn’t escape his meme programming).

    What he is saying is equivalent to: “I’m a passionate believer in gravity when it comes to explaining why we don’t fly off into space. But to live our lives with gravity all around us, night and day, would be a very unpleasant sort of life, women’s breasts would get floppy just for starters.”

    I mean if it’s a scientific principle it either is (and then yes you do have to live with it, regardless of what you find pleasant) or it isn’t and then you don’t worry about it. Scientific results cannot ever have a moral value, because otherwise you aren’t doing science any more. That’s where the global warmists ended up… certain measurements have become morally “good” while other measurements are morally “evil” because their purpose is not to do science, it’s to achieve a political movement. The evolutionary biologists have gone the same way, for bashing religious people their results are morally “good” while for understanding human conflict and cooperation, their results are morally “bad”. That’s why they needed to invent the idea of “altruism” and then change the definition to something meaningless, so they could get the answer they wanted. They could have just asked an economist who would have said, “Yeah, trade is a thing” but damit they were determined to find “altruism” and nothing else! Stamps foot.

  88. Snoopy

    Which is the correct way to open a boiled egg? From the small end or the larger end? I prefer the small end but that’s likely how I was raised.

  89. Peter Campion

    Cats, I’m three pages behind in reading this thread, has the CSIRO-AEMO “renewbulls are cheaper” release been discussed today? If not, do learned Cats have any suitably savage take-downs?

    ANNUAL UPDATE FINDS RENEWABLES ARE CHEAPEST NEW-BUILD POWER
    The national science agency, CSIRO and energy market operator, AEMO today announced a new report on costs of electricity generation.
    The inaugural GenCost report, prepared collaboratively with a range of industry stakeholders, updates estimates of the cost to generate electricity from new power plants in Australia; GenCost 2018 found solar and wind technologies to be lowest cost.
    CSIRO Chief Energy Economist and report lead author Paul Graham said GenCost 2018 was an essential annual benchmark to guide strategic decision making, given technology costs change significantly each year.
    “Electricity generation costs are a key ingredient into the electricity sector modelling which underpins much of the sector’s strategic planning and policy analysis,” Mr Graham said.
    “Our data confirms that while existing fossil fuel power plants are competitive due to their sunk capital costs, solar and wind generation technologies are currently the lowest-cost ways to generate electricity for Australia, compared to any other new-build technology.
    “At a global level, the investment costs of a wide range of low emission generation technologies are projected to continue to fall, and we found new-build renewable generation to be least cost, including when we add the cost of two or six hours of energy storage to wind and solar.
    “This also holds when the cost of fossil generation technology is adjusted for climate policy risk or not.
    “Data from GenCost 2018, combined with some of our previous research, indicates we may need additional flexible technologies – such as energy storage, demand management, and peaking gas plants – if the share of variable renewables increases beyond 50 per cent.”
    The collaborative process involved consultation with a broad range of industry stakeholders, including release of draft estimates and projections for review and industry workshops and briefings.
    AEMO Group Manager, Forecasting Nicola Falcon said AEMO looked forward to using the GenCost figures.
    “The reports will act as the foundation for initial discussions with stakeholders when we commence our modelling inputs and scenario consultations for the next Integrated System Plan,” Ms Falcon said.
    Authors largely based analysis on levelised cost of electricity (LCOE), which includes operating as well as investment costs, and is the best way known to compare the costs of different technologies, like fossil fuel plants (which require relatively low capital costs, but higher operating expenses) and wind and solar (which require high capital outlays but low operating expenses).
    Research in 2019 will identify in more detail the least cost set of balancing solutions required by variable renewables once they represent a significantly larger share of the generation portfolio.

    Media
    Claire Ginn | m +61 409 246 966 | e [email protected]

  90. Snoopy

    When the egg is to be fried, poached or scrambled I don’t care much one way or the other.

  91. jupes

    Finkel is the piece of shit perfectly happy seeing rising energy costs.

    He was only given the job of Chief Scientist to provide political ‘expert’ cover for the government’s treasonous energy policies.

    He should be in stocks.

  92. hzhousewife

    Can’t recall his name…

    Alain De Botton, JC.

  93. JC

    Alain De Botton, JC.

    That’s him.

  94. Snoopy

    Peter Campion
    #2890343, posted on December 21, 2018 at 7:14 pm
    Cats, I’m three pages behind in reading this thread, has the CSIRO-AEMO “renewbulls are cheaper” release

    I can remember when the CSIRO had dignity and enjoyed respect. But maybe they had me fooled back then.

  95. stackja

    Top Ender
    #2890342, posted on December 21, 2018 at 7:13 pm

    Who makes the NT News’ 120 Most Powerful list today? We reveal Numbers 3 and 4
    NT News
    December 19, 2018 8:51pm
    Subscriber only

    NT’s Most Powerful: 3 – 4

    3
    The thorn in Chief Minister Michael Gunner’s side, Ken Vowles is the highest ranked member of Cabinet on our list and comes in five places ahead of his boss.

    He’s also this year’s bolter, rising 51 spots from Number 54 in 2017.

    Mr Vowles is not afraid to speak his mind in Cabinet and caucus, or indeed, to speak out against the echo chamber of Mr Gunner’s advisers and that’s what makes him so influential.

  96. Tom

    … do learned Cats have any suitably savage take-downs?

    Sure, Peter Campion. Take this to the bank.

    Leftards exist for only one reason — to subvert the dominant paradigm (it used to be a bumper sticker before they infiltrated and destroyed our institutions). ALL leftards LIE about EVERYTHING.

    ALL THE TIME.

    If your bank manager knows anything about money and politics, he will pay out on this before you even ask the question. Trust me.

  97. Tel

    Cats, I’m three pages behind in reading this thread, has the CSIRO-AEMO “renewbulls are cheaper” release been discussed today? If not, do learned Cats have any suitably savage take-downs?

    Put forward a proposal that since the CSIRO has made it official that renewable energy is cheaper, we can shut down the RET, and shut down the Green Loans, and all the rest of the government subsidies. Make sure you say “RET” many times and “Renewable Energy Target”. None of that is necessary anymore and the CSIRO is supporting you 100% on this.

  98. Nick

    Jeremy Clarkson re the Gatwick droner

    He ranted: ‘I really hope that when the fat s**t at Gatwick is caught, someone kills him.’

    Who is the drone maniac? Police will be hunting a PhD-educated climate activist – possibly a hacker – who is a highly organised lone wolf not a hobbyist, experts reveal

  99. jupes

    My analysis of the language:

    “Our data confirms that while existing fossil fuel power plants are competitive due to their sunk capital costs, solar and wind generation technologies are currently the lowest-cost ways to generate electricity for Australia, compared to any other new-build technology.

    Do they consider coal a new-built technology? Probably not. They are dissembling.

    “At a global level, the investment costs of a wide range of low emission generation technologies are projected to continue to fall …

    Projected to fall. Just like global temperatures are projected to rise and the Arctic ice cap is projected to disappear.

    … and we found new-build renewable generation to be least cost, including when we add the cost of two or six hours of energy storage to wind and solar.

    More projecting.

    This also holds when the cost of fossil generation technology is adjusted for climate policy risk or not.

    Adjusting for “climate policy risk”. Yeah right. How scientific is that shit?

    These pricks are lying through their arse.

  100. DrBeauGan

    I looked Alain de Botton up on Google. I even watched half a Ted talk. Seems a reasonable bloke.

    I prefer scientists. Philosophers who get caught up in language are a silly lot and de Botton doesn’t, which makes him a more interesting philosopher, but I thought his ideas in the Ted talk rather obvious. Yes, envy is a recipe for a miserable life. That comes under the rubric of the bleeding obvious for me. I’d figured that out in my teens.

  101. Bruce of Newcastle

    Which is the correct way to open a boiled egg?

    Wine bottles have a hard shell.
    Eggs have a hard shell.
    Wine bottles are liquid inside.
    Eggs are liquid inside.
    Wine bottle contents are good for you.
    Egg contents are good for you.
    You open wine at the small end.
    Therefore…

    (This is Hark the Angel logic.)

  102. Oh come on

    Alain de Botton

    I know this is a bit shallow, but…he looks kinda weird. I’m not quite sure what it is about him.

  103. Bruce of Newcastle

    we found new-build renewable generation to be least cost, including when we add the cost of two or six hours of energy storage to wind and solar.

    I haven’t noticed the Sun shining at midnight anywhere in Australia.

  104. DrBeauGan

    I know this is a bit shallow, but…he looks kinda weird. I’m not quite sure what it is about him.

    You say that on the Çat only because you don’t know what we look like.

    I don’t mind weird. I much prefer it to stupid. I listen to his ideas instead of looking at him. Give it a try.

  105. calli

    Which is the correct way to open a boiled egg? From the small end or the larger end? I prefer the small end but that’s likely how I was raised.

    Depends whether you are a Lilliputian or a Blefscuian.

    Wars have been fought over this issue. Beware.

  106. Dr Faustus

    “At a global level, the investment costs of a wide range of low emission generation technologies are projected to continue to fall, and we found new-build renewable generation to be least cost, including when we add the cost of two or six hours of energy storage to wind and solar.

    Giving us 12 to 14+ hours of darkness after the storage runs out.

  107. DrBeauGan

    If anyone asks me what I do, I tell them that I think a lot. About all sorts of things. It’s my perversion.

    This usually gets rid of them quickly.

  108. vlad

    I enjoyed it when a vicar with his own radio show asked Dawkins if he would be able to state the full title of THE ORIGIN OF SPECIES. (Dawkins had been rubbishing Christians who couldn’t answer his own list of gotcha questions.) The fact that Dawkins couldn’t is fun; I especially enjoy it that one of the bits of the full title that he forgets is the phrase “natural selection”.

    But for me the killer point is that when the vicar asked him if he could state the full title he said yes and then had to be asked to do it. Could you do it? Yes. Full stop.

    He had to be prodded into trying; he didn’t voluntarily rattle it off in answer to the “could you” question; he thought his dictum was enough. That tells me he’s a git.

    I’d link to it on youtube if it weren’t that the last time I linked to someone else’s video on youtube they took it down in response.

  109. we found new-build renewable generation to be least cost, including when we add the cost of two or six hours of energy storage to wind and solar.

    I haven’t noticed the Sun shining at midnight anywhere in Australia.

    All calculations done on non existent large scale storage.
    “Yes Virginia, there is a Santa Claus.”

  110. mh

    Donald J. Trump
    Donald J. Trump
    @realDonaldTrump
    ·
    5h
    Soon to be Speaker Nancy Pelosi said, last week live from the Oval Office, that the Republicans didn’t have the votes for Border Security. Today the House Republicans voted and won, 217-185. Nancy does not have to apologize. All I want is GREAT BORDER SECURITY!

    Donald J. Trump
    Donald J. Trump
    @realDonaldTrump
    ·
    5h
    Thank you to our GREAT Republican Members of Congress for your VOTE to fund Border Security and the Wall. The final numbers were 217-185 and many have said that the enthusiasm was greater than they have ever seen before. So proud of you all. Now on to the Senate!

    Trump is right as far as greater enthusiasm. The grassroots enthusiasm really fired up the House Freedom Caucus.

  111. Hey JC, are you shorting all the things yet?

  112. Diogenes

    Wars have been fought over this issue. Beware.

    This religious war is still being fought

  113. P

    S

    oon to be Speaker Nancy Pelosi said, last week live from the Oval Office, that the Republicans didn’t have the votes for Border Security.

    Warning -very bad language (please excuse)

  114. Leigh Lowe

    Which is the correct way to open a boiled egg? From the small end or the larger end? I prefer the small end but that’s likely how I was raised.

    Depends whether you are a Lilliputian or a Blefscuian.

    I slice them longitudinally.
    More area for salt, pepper, mustard and ketchup.

  115. cohenite

    Peter Campion

    #2890343, posted on December 21, 2018 at 7:14 pm

    Cats, I’m three pages behind in reading this thread, has the CSIRO-AEMO “renewbulls are cheaper” release been discussed today? If not, do learned Cats have any suitably savage take-downs?

    ANNUAL UPDATE FINDS RENEWABLES ARE CHEAPEST NEW-BUILD POWER
    The national science agency, CSIRO and energy market operator, AEMO today announced a new report on costs of electricity generation.

    Seriously the only response to that egregious lie should be a violent one.

  116. Steve trickler

    A song for everyone preparing for Christmas.

    It’s a good laugh.



  117. DrBeauGan

    Just watched de Botton on atheism. Nicely put. An atheist who sees that there is more to religion than the doctrines.

    The replacement of Christianity with cultural Marxism couldn’t have had such an easy time if more people had thought about issues as well as he has.

  118. Natural Instinct

    CSIRO speaks with forked tongue.
    Their GenCost report is not a comparison of capital costs for generating electricity

    Given our capital cost projections are a function of global and local technology deployment, it is important to set a global context. The key contextual factors which we have chosen to set are the global climate change goal, electricity demand and fuel prices. We apply two scenarios called 4 degrees and 2 degrees which describe the global climate policy goal. The goal is implemented in the model via carbon prices which are sourced from Clarke et al. (2014) and are shown in Appendix A

    .
    ….

    A.1.5 GALLME assumptions
    Government policies
    GALLME contains government policies which act as incentives for technologies to reduce costs or limits their uptake. The key assumption about government policy that has an impact on results is a carbon price. The carbon prices assumed in the 2-degree and 4-degree scenario are based on Clarke et al. (2014) and are shown in Apx Figure A.2 and Apx Figure A.3 respectively.


    From now to the year 2050 Appendix A shows………….
    In the 2 degree model: Carbon Price ranges from $20 to A$170 per tonne of CO2 equivalent emissions,
    And in the 4 degree model: Carbon Price ranges from $30 to A$60 /tCO2e
    .
    So it is not a capital cost comparison…. It is something else.
    ….
    I won’t go into their cost reductions due to experience curves – which are just made up, even though they have a great looking equation with log log formulae.

  119. Snoopy

    (This is Hark the Angel logic.)

    Thanks Bruce. I hate to admit it, but Hark may be right this time if you have read him correctly.

  120. Snoopy

    I slice them longitudinally.

    That doesn’t work with soft boiled, surely?

  121. DrBeauGan

    And second, her background as a psychiatrist coincides with a time when player welfare and mental health issues have become arguably the greatest issue facing the modern footballer.

    Oh gawd..

  122. C.L.

    So Monty, you’re saying Carroll thrived in the drug squad in the Bjelke-Petersen era, is that right?

    Mmm.

    Listen, goof-ball, she is resented in Queensland not because she is an Amazonian tractor driver. In 2014, a trivial sexual harassment ‘scandal’ involving real, actual firemen ‘engulfed’ the service (meaning it was pushed by public servants and the usual noise merchants), resulting in an ‘independent review’ (by a woman) who – voila! – recommended that lots of women should be recruited to the QPS as firemen. Then Carroll replaced Lee Johnson – the actual fireman who had, until then, been commissioner. He’d only spent his career – you know – fighting fires and saving lives. The whole thing was orchestrated. He took early retirement and Carroll took the State’s top fire fighting position – despite not being a fireman or even a firelady. So she’s also a scab.

  123. Oh come on

    I listen to his ideas instead of looking at him

    Did you know – some of us are able to do both!

  124. Snoopy

    Carroll took the State’s top fire fighting position – despite not being a fireman or even a firelady. So she’s also a scab.

    Maybe. But I’ll bet she keeps a lunch appointment.

  125. RobK

    Peter Campion
    #2890343, posted on December 21, 2018 at 7:14 pm
    Cats, I’m three pages behind in reading this thread, has the CSIRO-AEMO “renewbulls are cheaper” release

    I have only skimmed the pdf. As suggested above it is modelling based on :

    New policies includes policy already in place and declared policy intentions including actions consistent with the Paris Agreement Nationally determined Contributions. Sustainable development puts the world on a pathway that would be consistent with limiting temperature increase to less than 2oC as well as reducing local air pollution and broadening access to affordable energy.

    And

    Over time it is expected that there will be fewer technologies operating in baseload mode with high capacity factors. As the share of both behind the meter and large scale variable renewables …..

    And

    However, demand management costs and the scale of their potential contribution varies widely depending on the customer and timeframe. We find that a significant amount of data related to demand management costs is already available, but its ongoing collection can be costly so the next step is to prioritise the most attractive demand management resources to monitor.

    They admitted that previous studies done here were not transparent. Now that we are largely committed to some RE, they are becomming more transparent as baseload is being shafted and religated to backup status. A quick look at some daily typical storage charts lifted from the US showed no long term storage and this is left to gas. I saw no analysis of grid cost increases but it is acknowledged that more “firming” and other costs will occur.
    I haven’t spent a lot of time on the pdf but as in previous reports it doesn’t come from a base of the cheapest possible electricity given what we had.
    The whole thing is a bloody experiment. Nothing more.

  126. mh

    AFL appoints its first Indigenous commissioner

    😂

  127. C.L.

    Alain de Botton achieved a very rare double-starred first at Cambridge.
    As did Enoch Powell.

  128. C.L.

    Maybe. But I’ll bet she keeps a lunch appointment.

    Que?

  129. Boambee John

    Nick
    #2890379, posted on December 21, 2018 at 8:33 pm
    AFL appoints its first Indigenous commissioner

    Have a Captain Cook:

    https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/afl-appoints-first-indigenous-commissioner-20181221-p50noj.html


    There is a bloke writes at Quadrant On Line who was a refugee from the Soviet Union (areff will know his name).

    He comments on the lines that one of the methods the Soviets used to keep the people in line was to make them parrot statements so obviously wrong as to be ludicrous. This forced them, on pain of unpersonning or the Gulags, to be publicly complicit in the affairs of the Soviet Union.

    Like many other public positions taken by our so-called leaders, this announcement is so obviously wrong as to be ludicrous. The communists simply called themselves something else and continued on.

  130. mh

    ‘How many fingers am I holding up, Winston?’

  131. C.L.

    He comments on the lines that one of the methods the Soviets used to keep the people in line was to make them parrot statements so obviously wrong as to be ludicrous.

    Exactly so. If you can legally compel people to say that a man is a woman (which Canada has now done) or that an unborn baby is not a person, that two jokers and a cocker-spaniel is a ‘family,’ that Islam is a religion of peace and that carbon dioxide is a pollutant, then you control the minds of the populace; you control everyone (with menaces). The end result of this policy must be violence because you are giving normal people no outlet for the telling and living of the truth.

  132. Boambee John

    C.L.
    #2890388, posted on December 21, 2018 at 8:54 pm
    Maybe. But I’ll bet she keeps a lunch appointment.

    Que?

    Perhaps a reference to Christine Nixon giving priority to meeting her biographer and eating during the Victorian bushfires?

  133. Listen, goof-ball, she is resented in Queensland not because she is an Amazonian tractor driver. In 2014, a trivial sexual harassment ‘scandal’ involving real, actual firemen ‘engulfed’ the service (meaning it was pushed by public servants and the usual noise merchants), resulting in an ‘independent review’ (by a woman) who – voila! – recommended that lots of women should be recruited to the QPS as firemen. Then Carroll replaced Lee Johnson – the actual fireman who had, until then, been commissioner. He’d only spent his career – you know – fighting fires and saving lives. The whole thing was orchestrated. He took early retirement and Carroll took the State’s top fire fighting position – despite not being a fireman or even a firelady. So she’s also a scab.

    Johnson (really?) evidently spent his late career asleep at the wheel while his employees committed acts of bastardry. They started admitting women in 1995, he became head of the QPS in 2002, so it’s mostly his fault that things got as bad as they did.

    You conveniently sidestep the fact that the scandal was resolved by Campbell Newman appointing Carroll, which you must be particularly annoyed about as you can’t blame the left for it.

  134. Fisky

    Shapiro thinks it would be possible for a President to unify the country. Not possible, Ben.

    Coulter said it best the other day, when she pointed out that the Democratic Party is a “coalition” of homosexuals, Muslims, Jews, black church ladies, trannies, sexual deviants, etc. The only thing that can possibly unify this ridiculous coalition is hatred of white men. Which has been the staple of every DNC campaign since 2012.

    So, no, the prospect of “unifying” America is a nonsense and Shapiro needs to stop being a cuck.

  135. Fisky

    Shapiro thinks it would be possible for a President to unify the country. Not possible, Ben.

    Coulter said it best the other day, when she pointed out that the Democratic Party is a “coalition” of homosexuals, Muslims, J-ws, black church ladies, trannies, sexual deviants, etc. The only thing that can possibly unify this ridiculous coalition is hatred of white men. Which has been the staple of every DNC campaign since 2012.

    So, no, the prospect of “unifying” America is a nonsense and Shapiro needs to stop being a cuck.

  136. Boambee John

    Shapiro thinks it would be possible for a President to unify the country. Not possible, Ben.

    I know I bang on excessively about this, but the only peaceful solution I can see for the US is partition, preferably voluntary after a nation wide vote.

  137. mh

    We should remember that during his final year as President, Obama had unified America so much that five Dallas cops were killed by a black activist who had stated that he wanted to kill white people, especially white police officers.

    There was so much love back then ✌️ 🌈

  138. DrBeauGan

    I know I bang on excessively about this, but the only peaceful solution I can see for the US is partition, preferably voluntary after a nation wide vote.

    I doubt if lefties would agree to that, BJ. They enjoy telling people what to do too much. Letting half the population escape from them would be anathema.

  139. candy

    Australia is also a nation divided.

    There’s no healing while Labor goes the full socialism, which I believe they genuinely feel is the best thing for Australia. They are planning so many socialist policies now and believe the world is turning to socialism.

    Oddly though a lot of their senior ministers are very wealthy people who own multiple properties and benefit from the free market. If ever they have a leader who has come up the hard way, tithes some of their income to the poor every payday, and lives in a modest 3 bedroom home in a modest suburb, you might take them seriously.

  140. Snoopy

    C.L.
    #2890388, posted on December 21, 2018 at 8:54 pm
    Maybe. But I’ll bet she keeps a lunch appointment.
    Que?

    Christine Nixon

  141. C.L.

    Oh yeah, right. Nixon went for a burger and the rest is history.

  142. Monty said:
    You conveniently sidestep the fact that the scandal was resolved by Campbell Newman appointing Carroll, which you must be particularly annoyed about as you can’t blame the left for it.

    Wikipedia says:
    The Honourable Campbell Newman
    38th Premier of Queensland
    In office 26 March 2012 – 14 February 2015

    Katarina Carroll on her Linkedin profile:
    ..[interim Commissioner]…. and was permanently appointed to the position in August 2015

    Anyone else able to spot the part Monty fabricated?

  143. P

    American Thinker readers were warned about General Mattis over a year ago in this article. Briefly, Mattis was and remains a supporter of global warming.
    The issue of global warming continues to be a reliable and simple litmus test. If someone believes in global warming, then you can be sure he is a globalist who loathes Western civilization.

  144. struth

    Talking about Dawkins reminds me. I went to the cafe down the road to start me off with a coffee and a cig. I keep my cig stash there so as I limit consumption down to one cig during the day.

    JC is Becker.
    Peter Campion.
    I have done as study that disputes all their claims.
    Obviously, like them, I just have to make the claim and not show the figures.
    But If you’d all like, I’ll babble bullshit and talk projections for another few paragraphs in the hope you all turn off before you realise I’m not going to show you my figures.
    Before subsidies, after subsidies, taking into account technology that hasn’t been invented yet, I’ll just keep dribbling shit, like them, but there will be one big difference.

    I’ll have figures without taxpayer subsidies, and even more importantly, my study will not be tax payer subsidised.

  145. Boambee John

    Dr BG

    “I doubt if lefties would agree to that, BJ. They enjoy telling people what to do too much. Letting half the population escape from them would be anathema.”

    Leftism is the pathological need to control the lives of others (to borrow a phrase) built on foundations of hate and envy.

    But if their choice is partition or a civil war they will lose, they would be mad to choose war. Even after partition, they would still rule over more than 100 million people (though many of them would be armed and violent gang bangers).

  146. DrBeauGan

    But if their choice is partition or a civil war they will lose, they would be mad to choose war.

    They are mad. They won’t choose war, they will however insist on the conditions that lead to it. We are talking about people with a very shaky grasp on reality.

  147. Boambee John

    Dr BG

    You are quite correct about the limited grasp on reality of the left. Just look at some who post here!

    I hope that you are wrong about them imposing conditions that would lead to a civil war.

  148. Percy Popinjay

    Bluddee hell – Hollyweird attempting to rehabilitate itself – there will not be any of that, peoples!

  149. mh

    American Thinker:

    ….Since that article, Mattis’s charge sheet has expanded somewhat. Trump wanted to get trannies out of the military simply because of the costs involved in having them. Mattis pushed back and slow-walked the order. Gender dysphoria is one of the worst mental illnesses, with a 50 percent suicide rate. Who in his right mind would leave people suffering from this condition near weapons or machinery? Someone who ranks ideology above effectiveness and unit cohesion would.

  150. mh

    Donald J. Trump
    Donald J. Trump
    @realDonaldTrump
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    13m
    Senator Mitch McConnell should fight for the Wall and Border Security as hard as he fought for anything. He will need Democrat votes, but as shown in the House, good things happen. If enough Dems don’t vote, it will be a Democrat Shutdown! House Republicans were great yesterday!

    Build that Wall

  151. JC

    Coulter said it best the other day, when she pointed out that the Democratic Party is a “coalition” of homosexuals, Muslims, Jews, black church ladies, trannies, sexual deviants, etc.

    How depressing, that the majority of votes. 🙂

  152. triggered

    American (non)Thinker
    Who in his right mind would leave people suffering from this condition near weapons or machinery?

    So outside the military there are no guns in America?

  153. Zyconoclast

    Men’s only clubs bad

    The secret world of Muslim women-only parties
    In her normal life, Sanya is a public servant who wears a full length abaya and headscarf. Tonight she is a character from Girls Gone Wild.

    https://www.smh.com.au/lifestyle/life-and-relationships/the-secret-world-of-muslim-women-only-parties-20181220-p50ndf.html

  154. RobK

    So outside the military there are no guns in America?
    Yes, but they dont necessarily form your stock in trade.

  155. mh

    Donald J. Trump
    Donald J. Trump
    @realDonaldTrump
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    3m
    No matter what happens today in the Senate, Republican House Members should be very proud of themselves. They flew back to Washington from all parts of the World in order to vote for Border Security and the Wall. Not one Democrat voted yes, and we won big. I am very proud of you!

    Not covered by CH7 fake news on their Trump segment.

  156. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Spot of spacechooking for military type Cats – Robert Kershaw – former commander of a parachute battalion in the British army, and author of some damnfine works on military history – has a new title out, on the first twenty four hours on Omaha beach, D -day. “Landing on the Edge of Eternity.”

    Reinforces the question – what would the men who survived that particular slaughterhouse, think of today’s little snowflakes, who need to cuddle puppies, because big bad Donald Trump defeated Saint Hillary for POTUS?

  157. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    What’s the silly old bugger raving on about now?

  158. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Spot of spacechooking – there are a few husband and wife teams, who are volunteer firefighters with the local brigade. The wife of one of those teams has given birth to their first child – a boy – and we’ve been “wetting the babies head” down at the local. Good health and long life to the young Master.

  159. C.L.

    Jim Carrey: ‘Gorgon’ Sarah Sanders will ‘Turn Your Heart to Stone’ With Lies

    At least she won’t cause us to commit suicide, unlike Carrey’s effect on his girlfriends.

  160. C.L.

    UK to officially teach that boys also menstruate, tampon dispensers to be compulsory in boys’ school toilets … The Telegraph reports:

    School children will be taught that “all genders” can have periods in new sex education lessons, in a victory for transgender rights campaigners.

    The advice to teachers was approved by Brighton & Hove City Council as they try to tackle stigma around menstruation.

    The new advice follows a council report which said: “Trans boys and men and non-binary people may have periods”, adding that “menstruation must be inclusive of all genders”.

    Bins used for menstruation products will be provided in all toilets for children, according to the report.

    The Royal College of Paediatricians and Child Health wants schools to go further and begin promoting sodomy and bisexuality:

    The Royal College said: “There needs to be a clear statement that LGBT people and relationships are part of teaching about healthy relationships in primary school. This can be demonstrated in relation to families – but also it is helpful to children to learn the meaning of terms such as lesbian, gay and bisexual”.

  161. Steve trickler

    We shall try again.



  162. Snoopy

    The Royal College of Paediatricians and Child Health wants schools to go further and begin promoting sodomy and bisexuality:

    The Royal College said: “There needs to be a clear statement that LGBT people and relationships are part of teaching about healthy relationships in primary school.

    Remind me again why some people are attracted to paediatrics.

  163. RobK

    To underline the concept that the AEMO and the csiro are experimenting, I offer you this, lifted from the pdf. The equations didn’t copy but the thrust is in the words. This is what we put our furure in.

    A.1.1 Endogenous technology learning
    Technology cost reductions due to ‘learning-by-doing’ were first observed in the 1930s for aeroplane construction (Wright, 1936) and have since been observed and measured for a wide range of technologies and processes (McDonald & Schrattenholzer, 2001). Cost reductions due to this phenomenon are normally shown via the equation: IC = × , or equivalently log() = log( ) −(log()−log()) where IC is the unit investment cost at CC cumulative capacity and IC0 is the cost of the first unit at CC0 cumulative capacity. The learning index b satisfies 0 < b < 1 and it determines the learning rate which is calculated as: =100 × (1− 2) (typically quoted as a percentage ranging from 0 to 50%) and the progress ratio is given by = 100−. All three quantities express a measure of the decline in unit cost with learning or experience. This relationship says that for each doubling in cumulative capacity of a technology, its investment cost will fall by the learning rate (Hayward & Graham, 2013). Learning rates can be measured by examining the change in unit cost with cumulative capacity of a technology over time. Typically emerging technologies have a higher learning rate (20–15%), which reduces once the technology has at least a 5% market share and is considered to be at the intermediate stage (to ~10%). Once a technology is considered mature, the learning rate tends to be 0–5%. The transition between learning rates based on technology uptake is illustrated in Apx Figure A.1.

    Heaven help us.

  164. triggered

    The Royal College of Paediatricians and Child Health wants schools to go further and begin promoting sodomy and bisexuality

    So Public School doctrine to become main stream.

  165. Late night on the Cat:
    Half a dozen different articles quoted on the duplicity of the media caste, or on the dickheadsmanship & hypocrisy of the SJW left.
    A couple of Cats announcing what they’re drinking.
    JC acting like a wanker, without a civil or sensible word to say.

    So situation normal.

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