Open Forum: December 22, 2018

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  1. John Comnenus

    I’ve done the whole Hollywood Christmas experience – Love Actually three times and Die Hard once. Yippee Ki Yay mother f#$&3rs.

  2. Bruce in WA

    Well, that’s Christmas lunch done and dusted. Turkey, ham, pork belly roast, vegetables, homemade ice-cream cake, pav. Three Monts beer to start, then champers, a good cab, a 21-year-old scotch to finish. Now we’re off to a friend’s house to get serious about our drinking. I am so going to regret this tomorrow!

    Merry Christmas to everyone here.

  3. Tintarella di Luna

    Merry Christmas to all . Candy, Tinta, TE, Lizzy, Z2KA, Sinc and the rest. Bye.

    Merry Christmas to you too Macbeth, hope you’ve had a lovely day, it certainly was a picture perfect day in Sydney, so much like the Christmas days I remember. Best wishes for the new year

  4. Tintarella di Luna

    I am so going to regret this tomorrow!

    Merry Christmas to everyone here.

    Live for today Bruce in WA, tomorrow will be waiting. Cheers

  5. Leigh Lowe

    Any cholesterol figure over 155 is cause for concern, JC.
    Also, the cholesterol in crayfish is in the head.
    Tails are 100% safe.
    Lobster Fermidor is a particularly healthy option.
    Go for it.

  6. stackja

    FIFO throwing a tantrum! Punch anyone? Or Faine was enough?

  7. Knuckle Dragger

    Christmas 2018 in summary:

    Woke up after lunchtime. One and only present left in the back fridge from the ex GF. Roses chocolates.

    Chicken schnitzel on toast with cheese and peri peri sauce for dinner.

    Made the obligatory phone calls to family. All my wolf pack are out of town. Now watching replays of the Big Bash with a small Turkey.

    And no Toyota girl as wished for. Bah humbug.

  8. Notafan

    Can’t get more traditional than that KD

  9. Rockdoctor

    Top Ender
    #2892060, posted on December 25, 2018 at 6:19 pm

    Will be in Darwin tomorrow. Be interesting to see the change since last I was there, which was during Giles reign. Am expecting the itinerants problem will be magnified after the beatification of Dylan Voller and leniency of another outfit of far left ALP types with hands on the levers again…

  10. Eyrie

    C’mon IT and others. It is Christmas. Burning alive, crucifixion etc for banksters, brokers etc is over the top.
    I’m happy for them to be dragged from their offices and a quick 9mm in the back of the neck.

  11. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Am expecting the itinerants problem will be magnified after the beatification of Dylan Voller

    Where did St Dylan finish up, anyway?

  12. bespoke

    Ha! he sound as cheeky as my youngest, have a good day, JC.

  13. Where did St Dylan finish up, anyway?

    Last I heard he’d been locked up for public indecency after exposing himself on a railway line in Perth, right under a CCTV camera.

  14. Gab

    Well that’s me done for the next two or three days where food is concerned. Beautiful lunch with the Itie outlaws – always too much though. Grappa is great for dissolving food in the stomach.

  15. Tintarella di Luna

    Chez Lizzie one day and put all this wonder together. The cheese, the wine, the turducken, the glazed ham. Yum.

    And the camerarderie.

    The Cat gathering at Lizzie’s on Saturday was a lovely evening which stretched to way past my bedtime. Our hosts are gracious, generous and charming, the food was marvellous and the camaraderie made for a very memorable evening.

  16. Oh come on

    Any news from Muellermas Eve? How is Muellermas coming along? Plans for Muellering Day?

  17. Tintarella di Luna

    Well that’s me done for the next two or three days where food is concerned. Beautiful lunch with the Itie outlaws – always too much though. Grappa is great for dissolving food in the stomach.

    Gab the leftovers are always good for Boxing Day. These days my siblings do their own thing on Christmas Day. We have a big get-together on Boxing Day with inlaws and siblings and their families all popping in for a good graze on the Christmas Day leftovers and a few refresher dishes. My daughter-in-law makes a morish limoncello which I’ll get to in the bye and bye.

  18. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Last I heard he’d been locked up for public indecency after exposing himself on a railway line in Perth, right under a CCTV camera.

    Hadn’t heard that one SatP – word reached my ears was that he was pulled over for a licence check when he was crossing into Western Australia, and had a little tanty, when the cops told him they were not overjoyed to have him on their patch.

  19. I’ve a feeling Zulu – dunno why – that our lad Dylan will always have a new story to tell about his “most recent arrest”.

  20. Herodotus

    Chez Lizzie … the far pavilions.

  21. Rockdoctor

    Last I heard he’d been locked up for public indecency after exposing himself on a railway line in Perth, right under a CCTV camera.

    Yup, thought I had seen that somewhere. Goes quiet after that either han’t been to court yet or Media are studiously ignoring the inconvenient truth about this grub…

    https://thewest.com.au/news/wa/dylan-voller-claims-he-was-bashed-by-perth-transit-guards-ng-b88748423z

  22. Gab

    My daughter-in-law makes a morish limoncello which I’ll get to in the bye and bye.

    Have one or two on my behalf, Tinta, if you wouldn’t mind 🙂

  23. Rafe

    Thinking about the Spanish rort to shine diesel powered searchlights onto solar panels and the insane feed in tariff rate would it work to generate power by diesel and feed into the grid if you are set up to collect from solar power?

  24. Infidel Tiger

    We need to pray that in 2019 the Liberal Party is destroyed and that tower in sydney collapses (with no one inside of course).

    Only then can two of the travesties of modern Australia begin to be corrected.

  25. P

    My son’s mother in law at this time, although 6yrs younger than I, is not enjoying good health and when I phoned her today she said to me that if we don’t get to see each other again that she’ll look forward to meeting me in the next world. She is 73yrs old.
    I said to her the words of a chorus we used to sing at Sunday School in my early years:
    If you get there before I do,
    Look out for me,
    For I’m coming too.
    Away far over Jordan,
    We’ll meet in that beautiful land.

    Today I am reminded that life is fleeting, but everlasting life though Christ is eternal.
    That surely is why we celebrate Christmas – the birth of Christ.

  26. Rafe:

    Thinking about the Spanish rort to shine diesel powered searchlights onto solar panels and the insane feed in tariff rate would it work to generate power by diesel and feed into the grid if you are set up to collect from solar power?

    Yes, I remember that one. It was a Mafia jobbie.
    They also ran searchlights from mains power onto the panels and made a motza until someone twigged to both schemes.

  27. Boambee John

    Oh come on
    #2892080, posted on December 25, 2018 at 7:32 pm
    Any news from Muellermas Eve? How is Muellermas coming along? Plans for Muellering Day?

    And on the subject of Wussian collusion, what is the word from our resident fascist (or is he really a communist) about the Demorats using fake Wussian bots to spread disinformation and suppress voter turnout in that controversial Alabama special senate election earlier this year? Now that the Demorats have successfully demonstrated that bogus Wussian bots can be set up and used by them, how will Mueller prove that the bots he is focussed on were real, and not actually another Demorat disinformation operation? Shot themselves in foot?

  28. Yup, thought I had seen that somewhere. Goes quiet after that either han’t been to court yet or Media are studiously ignoring the inconvenient truth about this grub

    There ain’t ever going to be much news about Dylan if there’s several months of studious media silence each time he’s locked up for throwing a violent tantrum.

  29. Elle

    Morning church with a devout Christian friend, champagne with an atheist neighbour, lunch with Seventh Day Adventists and dinner with the devout Christian friend and her family.

    Hip hop dancing, a semi-naked pool run, a food fight and tequila shots.

    Not saying which took place where, but one at each event.

    Merry merry. Hic! 🥂 🙃

  30. Rockdoctor

    🙁 Darwin Trailer Boat Club closed tomorrow night. Bugger, love that place. Can any Darwin Cats recommend an alternative along similar lines? Ski Club open & ok? Never been there have heard good reviews about though… Not interested in the Cullen Bay area, saw it once and thought too pretentious.

  31. thefrollickingmole

    Belly full of Chrissy lunch, (turducken) now at a Vietnamese kariokie party after another feed of X-rays and seafood.
    Long drive back to site tomorrow, I’m not going to be able to sit near myself the way my guts is rumbling.

    Have a good Chrissy everyone.

  32. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    There ain’t ever going to be much news about Dylan if there’s several months of studious media silence each time he’s locked up for throwing a violent tantrum.

    The Aboriginal Legal Service will be managing his media profile very carefully.

  33. thefrollickingmole

    X-rays or crays before spellcheck molests it.

  34. C.L.

    We need to pray that in 2019 the Liberal Party is destroyed and that tower in Sydney collapses …

    Only then can two of the travesties of modern Australia begin to be corrected.

    How about we encourage the Liberals to hold their next conference in the tower?
    Two birds, one stone, my friend.

  35. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Sliante to all on the Cat.

    A sober day, sitting by the phone, it hasn’t rung, so good health to you all.

  36. DrBeauGan

    I guess everyone except me is sunk in drunken slumber.

  37. Rockdoctor

    Only 10pm in Qld, oh so quiet… Time for another Boag’s even though I will regret tomorrow in the air…

  38. Elle

    I’m a tiny bit snake’s hissed.

    Let’s talk economics.

  39. Elle

    I could go for the record tonight of uninterrupted posts. I won’t though, because I ain’t that kinda gal.

  40. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    I guess everyone except me is sunk in drunken slumber.

    No, but I’m gambling that no billy bunt will start a bushfire before midnight.

  41. DrBeauGan

    Let’s talk about 4-manifolds supporting a lorentzian inner product tensor field.

    So much simpler than economics.

  42. Steve trickler

    Plenty of Christmas lights flashing here folks.



  43. Elle

    DrBeauGan
    I(ν) = I0 (γ/2π) ?

  44. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Let’s talk about 4-manifolds supporting a lorentzian inner product tensor field.

    Can’t we just tell dirty stories instead? I’ve got quite a good fund.

  45. Elle

    But it’s not that type of blog, Zulu!

    Please share though.

  46. Elle

    Like all good girls, I’m off to bed.
    Night night

  47. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Please share though.

    Good girls go home, then go to bed.

    Bad girls go to bed, then go home.

  48. Bruce in WA

    Good girls go home, then go to bed.

    Bad girls go to bed, then go home.

    Long live bad girls!

    Although I always seemed to end up with the other sort …

  49. DrBeauGan

    Bruce in WA
    #2892127, posted on December 26, 2018 at 12:05 am
    Good girls go home, then go to bed.

    Bad girls go to bed, then go home.

    Long live bad girls!

    Although I always seemed to end up with the other sort …

    You poor sod.

  50. DrBeauGan

    The worth of a good woman is above rubies. So the bad ones are much more expensive.

  51. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    You poor sod.

    Way back when, I got a very moralizing lecture from the wife of a good friend of mine.

    “You need the love of a good woman to make your life complete.”

    My response that I needed the lust of a few bad women, to teach me the facts of life, didn’t go down so well…

  52. DrBeauGan

    The worth of a good woman is above rubies. The bad ones are much more expensive.

  53. Bruce in WA

    My response that I needed the lust of a few bad women, to teach me the facts of life, didn’t go down so well…

    What’s the difference between love, lust and showing off?

    Spitting, swallowing … and gargling.

  54. Bruce in WA

    Happy new year!

    Bingle jells!!

  55. stackja

    Telegraph story – Opal Tower precast panel manufactured off site cracked under pressure.

  56. Leigh Lowe

    Sorry.
    My out of office pre-posting algorithm has had a touch of the Y2Ks.

  57. struth

    I tell ya what.
    You think you know people until you read the above.
    I’m disgusted.
    Disgusted I didn’t check in earlier..
    Drinking a fine Spey river single malt.

  58. Bruce in WA

    Drinking a fine Spey river single malt.

    Just finishing a 21-y-o Highland single malt then off to beddy-byes.

  59. struth

    The lefties bought me a lefty book for xmas.
    Couldn’t believe it.
    ABC shop type shit.
    Cloaked as history.
    Christmas lefty wars were not wanted by me but they did not let off.
    Much to tell.

  60. struth

    All I know is if you need a mixer it ain’t worth drinking.

  61. Bruce in WA

    All I know is if you need a mixer it ain’t worth drinking.

    Amen

  62. tombell

    you lot can now sleep it off. just awoken to a brisk xmas morning here in nyc and am about to saber a sparkling shiraz (to remind me of things Oz). your headaches are now fully matured. mine is about to begin!

  63. classical_hero

    It’s frustrating reading that people having hearty lunches and dinners while I haven’t eaten anything and I don’t think I will.

  64. Oh come on

    Jordan Peterson: nutty.

    Seriously. Time to cut this guy loose before he does damage. Stimps, you were right.

  65. Oh come on

    Look at the people listening to him. They treat him like you would treat someone who won a Nobel prize 20 years ago but has since come down with Alzheimers.

  66. Oh come on

    Yep. Yep. Nod sagely. Yep. Fully agree with what you’re on about. Yes, absolutely. You’re crazy but I should probably nod sagely. Yep. Whatever it is you say and let’s move on.

  67. Tom

    It’s now Christmas Day in the rest of the civilised world and the cartooning business is officially on holidays. Tom Stiglich.

  68. bespoke

    classical_hero
    #2892144, posted on December 26, 2018 at 1:38 am
    It’s frustrating reading that people having hearty lunches and dinners while I haven’t eaten anything and I don’t think I will.

    Pe Op? if so good luck.

  69. RobK

    Rafe

    #2892088, posted on December 25, 2018 at 8:15 pm

    Thinking about the Spanish rort to shine diesel powered searchlights onto solar panels and the insane feed in tariff rate would it work to generate power by diesel and feed into the grid if you are set up to collect from solar power?


    At some of the high feed-in tarriffs there maybe some profit if the operator could keep the small generator maintained cheaply and perhaps run on reticulated scheme natural gas(some people have these installed for back-up power). Long hours soon wear a small IC engine out and conspicuous production would probably flag some trouble. It would of course be illegal. Other problems occur when people pinch power by bridging behind the meter to steal unmetered electricity. This happens in illegal hydroponics setups to hide conspicuous consumption. I think conspicuous production and the amounts involved would limit the opportunistic reward. Example: [email protected].F. gas genset running 10hrs/day @ 30c/kWh would return about $12 per day for diesel equivalent of around 12 or 15 litres. Then there’s an oil change every couple of weeks and engine overhaul, depending on the quality of the engine etc. You would have to have an existing solar setup to be getting a credit in the first place, so the extra protection would be conspicuous. Feeding the genset into the grid directly is very dangerous (and obviously illegal), so it would need to be fed to the inverter as DC, as if it were a solar panel or battery. I don’t see much profit to be made on such a scheme, aside from the illegality. It’s also noisey and you would be kept busy with maintenance. I understand there have been instances of people pinching power from a neighbouring connection and this could be a source of feed for some clandestine scam but it would have to be very limited to not arouse suspicion from the other connection or the service provider paying for the illicit “green power”. It is of course also illegal to have a connection between electricity meters.

  70. RobK

    Oops. “Extra protection” should be “extra production “.

  71. Mark A

    RobK
    #2892151, posted on December 26, 2018 at 6:30 am

    You have to try and put yourself into a crook’s mindset to understand.

  72. RobK

    Mark,
    Yes, I have little doubt some clown will try it on sometime. It would be prudent for the service providers who pay the rebates to have an automated check of the registered PV system vs the payment made, so as to limit the scope of any rorts.

  73. RobK

    It would be easier to scam solar stored in batteries by trickle charging from some other sources such as another connection or say monetization of stolen fuel.

  74. John Constantine

    The chicom crime cartels that have qualified chicom electricians doing the rounds to bypass electricity meters to supply free electricity to the marijuana grow houses that spring up in every small town on a regular basis also do bitcoin mining on the same rort.

    Bitcoin mining moves to the cheapest form of electricity, and you can’t get any cheaper than absolutely free because it doesn’t get charged from a bypassed meter.

    Importing bitcoin miners to use australian electricity for free to mine bitcoins to send overseas Is Our Strength.

    Comrades.

  75. Tel

    Constantine, you are presuming that the Australian grid would be able to support Bitcoin mining without falling over.

  76. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    Telegraph story – Opal Tower precast panel manufactured off site cracked under pressure.

    china quality control comes to aus

  77. RobK

    When domestic batteries become more wide spread and people are encouraged to buy off-peak and sell on-peak, the detection of rorts may become more difficult, especially if green power is still paid a bonus.

  78. John Constantine

    Evolution theory states that when a rich and untapped fountain of resources like australia becomes run by a political class that values political gains over conserving the economic base of the old society, they can mass import change agents that gain from economically despoiling and looting the old society, and the political class and the looting class both win the evolutionary race.

    The hosts that feed the new class of predators will eventually collapse and the predators will simply switch to feeding off the next weakest available hosts. Both australias political and administrative class and the new predator class feel that they will be the ultimate alpha predators once the toxic Nazi anglosphere host dodos are all clubbed out.

    Evolution theory outright states that the winner will be the class that is most fertile.

    Comrades.

  79. John Constantine
    #2892162, posted on December 26, 2018 at 7:31 am

    Correct – Unless and until a hitherto dormant species is sufficiently disturbed to grab their torches and pitchforks.

  80. Herodotus

    Disappointing show from Bolt last night. Sucking up to a large pink Cheshire Cat called Kimberly Kitching and seeming to want to join the ABC book fanciers, while virtually dissing the good value Rita Panahi. Slurping scotch with various mates, it all looked a bit self-indulgent.
    Has he been told he’s too tough and Dutch and to try and soften? It won’t work. Being tough and Dutch was what got him a following.

  81. Mark A

    Riccardo Bosi
    #2892163, posted on December 26, 2018 at 7:38 am

    John Constantine
    #2892162, posted on December 26, 2018 at 7:31 am

    Correct – Unless and until a hitherto dormant species is sufficiently disturbed to grab their torches and pitchforks.

    Don’t count on it.

    If it hasn’t happened yet it’s not going to.

  82. Herodotus

    John & Riccardo – the left have succeeded in breaking down the body politics (and society at large) defence mechanisms. The west is now suffering from immune deficiency brought on by PC and general purpose leftism.
    There is no calm and peaceful medicinal cure. But Riccardo you have my senate vote.

  83. John Constantine

    Australias one party state has unleashed Australias Cultural Revolution.

    The unquestioning support of the media class thunders from their bully pulpits the glorious success of the Great Leap Forward.

    Australia cheers as one whenever the breathless media reports another ten thousand houses worth of windmills being imposed, much like chairman mao’s media celebrated villiages of peasants melting down their individually owned pots and pans for scrap metal to boost communal steel production.

    Crony socialism is central planning.

    Comrades.

  84. Boambee John

    The only “calm and peaceful medicinal cure” is partition or secession, followed by a sorting between the parts, those who want corruption, or are happy to live under it go one way, those who want a free lifestyle go the other.

  85. John Constantine

    Crony socialism has signed up for unswerving compliance to centrally planned production targets for the australian economy.

    All the struggles of all the peasants of australia are to be dedicated to the glorious achievement of our communal production targets. We are eager for Rationing to achieve our goals.

    Unswerving compliance to central planning and rationing Is Our Strength.

    Comrades.

  86. bespoke

    Herodotus
    #2892164, posted on December 26, 2018 at 7:41 am

    I have no doubt that Bolt would happy being the ABC’s token conservative or director of political diversity.

  87. Herodotus

    Adam Creighton in the Oz:
    “Collapsing Trump bubble shreds shares”. Nothing to do with the Fed?

    No comments allowed, for some reason, probably to avoid the sub-heading “Commenters shred Creighton”.
    He attributes to Mattis a “stabilising” influence that has departed the scene.
    I wasn’t aware that Mattis was a financial guru.

  88. Mark A

    Don’t count on it.
    If it hasn’t happened yet it’s not going to.

    Herodotus

    There is no calm and peaceful medicinal cure. 

    Both correct, so we have a choice to make:
    A. Do something
    B. Do nothing

    I choose B.

    Like any small force that cannot fight a resource intense conventional war, we must at this phase of the conflict, prosecute an insurgency, the purpose of which is not to defeat the adversary but to destabilise and demoralise its support.

    For example: if you wish to neutralise and adversary’s air power, you could spend billions on an air force and shoot them out of the sky, or send in a small team to contaminate the fuel supply or eliminate pilots.

    Our objective at this stage is to prevent their victory.

    Later when we are stronger, we will transition to a conventional campaign and give them a “good thrashing”.

  89. bespoke

    Did you meant option A, Riccardo?

  90. Anne

    Trump is moving to a gold backed currency and taking down the Fed!

    The Rothschild Central Banks, the WTO and the IMF are all coming down right now.

    Will Australia take back its sovereignty?

  91. Leigh Lowe

    Telegraph story – Opal Tower precast panel manufactured off site cracked under pressure.

    Which leads us to ask what role Tony Abbott has had to play in all this.

  92. Anne

    The World is about to change.

  93. egg_

    Telegraph story – Opal Tower precast panel manufactured off site cracked under pressure.

    Couple of things I know that goes on regularly which may cause these issues:

    Slab to column and slab to shear wall connections were regularly missed as frequent changes in architectural layouts (to squeeze more apartments in after the initial DA). New connections had to be doweled in – decisions often made by site personnel with no engineering training. Even if an engineer signs off on it there’s rarely checks – they only follow what they’ve been instructed to do in the past.

    Pre-cast sections with inadequate block-outs due to (as above) regular architectural changes and design modifications. Again, suspect connection details “bodged” up on site to get it to work.

    Floor layout changes not reflected in all the subcontractor drawings (formwork, concrete outline, column schedule, etc). All causing critical connections, detailing, steel, reinforcement to be missed.

    To save time designs are copied from one floor to the next. However, some floors have small changes which have significant structural impacts. May not be picked up because by this time because the junior engineers are doing the design now and they lack the experience. Senior engineers are typically swamped with work so they lack the time to review everything critically.

    Temporary site loading is not taken into account. The drawings I received only generally showed the finished arrangement and loading. It’s all about rushing through the application process. Engineers might need to “guess” where the temp connections for the crane will need to go. I’ve had numerous requests by subcontractors for penetrations through floors to get hoist penetrations, all with less than a couple of day’s notice. This leads to design checks not being done and senior engineers using “standard” details – which doesn’t always work.

    Construction programs changing all the time leading to changing of the construction sequence. Construction joints, movement joints, etc, all need to be considered depending on which side is done first. Constant switching is just bad news. I’ve turned up to site to find dowels cast in completely crooked because they weren’t adequately supported during the concrete pour. I’ve seen dowels installed the wrong way round and be ineffective. It’s a nightmare.

    I’ve found that large projects often depend on several key personnel who are “switched on” so to speak. If you don’t have those on your team, you’re stuffed.

    The above are just some of the issues I know from my limited portion of the design (primarily slabs). No doubt there are way more issues to do with foundations, shoring, shear wall etc.

  94. Tel

    Trump is moving to a gold backed currency and taking down the Fed!

    Let me guess… you got that from an anonymous person who wasn’t authorized to speak about this, and yet strangely enough constantly does speak about the exact things he/she/ze was told to shut up about.

    Just any little bit of research would be appreciated. One reference to some source that can be verified.

  95. John Constantine

    When Chrissy pynefilth and Marrissa Payne are the scariest things that intimidate moderate liberals, when Andrew broad considers himself as so unanswerable to anybody that he can fly to the Tyrants domain to seek armboob from a godless commo activist, maybe we have to consider how to communicate with them.

  96. egg_

    Floor layout changes not reflected in all the subcontractor drawings (formwork, concrete outline, column schedule, etc).

    Sounds like the FIU bridge last minute design changes, where even the paperwork that the NTSB is going over isn’t the most recent design.

  97. egg_

    The hosts that feed the new class of predators will eventually collapse and the predators will simply switch to feeding off the next weakest available hosts. Both australias political and administrative class and the new predator class feel that they will be the ultimate alpha predators once the toxic Nazi anglosphere host dodos are all clubbed out.

    The Katterites and Beetrooters need to secede, in principle if not in person.

  98. bespoke

    Riccardo

    I see education reform as the key to all other issues.

  99. egg_

    There is no calm and peaceful medicinal cure.

    As BoN has pointed out, political supporters of CAGW are usually removed by the electorate at large.

  100. egg_

    Thanks for the insights

    Not my personal ones, it was a cut&paste, but wouldn’t surprise me in the least.

  101. Anne

    I love to see Rothschilds freaking out.

    Trump tweeted 25/12/18 2:55am

    The only problem our economy has is the Fed. They don’t have a feel for the Market, they don’t understand necessary Trade Wars or Strong Dollars or even Democrat Shutdowns over Borders. The Fed is like a powerful golfer who can’t score because he has no touch – he can’t putt!

    David Rothschild tweeted 25/12/18 3:15am

    @realDonaldTrump Just shut the fu*k up. Seriously: every time President Trump talks about the Fed, the market tumbles. He needs the market to stabilize to save what is left of his presidency: is he so fu*king stupid he cannot even manage just shutting the fu*k up and doing nothing?

  102. egg_

    political supporters of CAGW are usually removed by the electorate at large.

    Even Aunty has declared it electoral poison.

  103. egg_

    Even Aunty has declared it electoral poison.

    CO2 malevolence is toxic?

  104. Tel

    egg_ #2892178,
    About 30 years ago there was a major shift in business philosophy away from the idea of “great people” and towards the idea of “great process“. Apparently if you have a process, then people become irrelevant and interchangeable. In addition, the concept of personal responsibility and ownership have been steadily phased out. Sure, you will hear people say, “Take ownership of the problem” but what they mean is you get the work to do, but not the rewards. Who wants to own problems, if all you get is more problems?

    Part of the idea of process oriented business is no one has unique personal knowledge that makes them a key person in the business. This kind of makes sense because you could lose that person due to various reasons. The bad side is also no one has any particular investment in the business either… if there’s a problem then not my problem, must be the process.

    https://www.businessmapping.com/blog/traditional-management-vs-business-process-management/

    That’s something I found that gives the outline of this new philosophy of business. Unfortunately, as ever with these things they never stopped to think hard about the reasons for why the old style of business was done that way.

    Not saying that process should be ignored, but there’s a balance between people and process and the concept of ownership (long term ownership, linking effort with outcomes) works pretty well.

  105. John Constantine

    Do we have to question the value and operational lifespan of the infrastructure thrown up by our Landsharks and Windsharks?.

    Technically a boost to gross domestic product to throw up a dogbox apartment development and cover a peak with windmills and a boost to gross domestic product to pull them down again.

    We can centrally plan for a dogbox and windmill Big Australia future, but does this mean rolling over for centrally planned rationing and money printing until Australian standard of living reaches a transnational sustainable level?.

  106. Mark A

    John Constantine
    #2892194, posted on December 26, 2018 at 8:53 am

    Do we have to question the value and operational lifespan of the infrastructure thrown up by our Landsharks and Windsharks?.

    We can centrally plan for a dogbox and windmill Big Australia future, but does this mean rolling over for centrally planned rationing and money printing until Australian standard of living reaches a transnational sustainable level?.

    Wasn’t that the goal in the first place?
    Why resist then?
    Full steam ahead.

  107. Tel

    Trump tweeted 25/12/18 2:55am

    The only problem our economy has is the Fed. They don’t have a feel for the Market, they don’t understand necessary Trade Wars or Strong Dollars or even Democrat Shutdowns over Borders. The Fed is like a powerful golfer who can’t score because he has no touch – he can’t putt!

    There’s a lot of good things about President Trump, but deep subtlety and nuance are not his strong point.

    He really should not be blasting other people for lack of touch. Trump is simply using the Fed as a way to shoulder the blame for a recession that was largely inevitable anyway. There’s not going to be any changes at the Fed, they will simply have to sit and take the blame from Trump’s tweetfest and try to look dignified about it.

  108. RobK

    Stackja,
    Interesting photos. Earlier reports in read on ABC said a movement of 1 to 2mm. Must have been a different spot.

  109. John Constantine

    When their Christine Nixon walked out from the emergency services control room as the State burnt down, that was as she has proudly proclaimed since, to prove the day of the pale stale male leading from the front was over.

    The day of the cultural Marxists and interchangeable cogs in a process had arrived.

    Comrades.

  110. Mark A

    RobK
    #2892197, posted on December 26, 2018 at 8:58 am

    Stackja,
    Interesting photos. Earlier reports in read on ABC said a movement of 1 to 2mm. Must have been a different spot.

    That relates to the building tilting out from vertical.
    The damage of the plaster you see is due to ripping it off to get access to the real thing.
    The panels.

  111. bespoke

    Exactly Tel, How many CEO’s or board members have build something from scratch.

  112. Opal – one question.

    Where was the cement made?
    China? NSW?

  113. egg_

    Part of the idea of process oriented business is no one has unique personal knowledge that makes them a key person in the business. This kind of makes sense because you could lose that person due to various reasons. The bad side is also no one has any particular investment in the business either… if there’s a problem then not my problem, must be the process.

    IME in bleeding edge tech, when a key person leaves, they can’t be replaced by 5 numpties.

  114. Anne

    Tel, if you’re still watching Television and reading Newspapers nothing I present would satisfy you.

    But if you really want a source, you could start with this: The Plan to Enslave the World. Warning from 1967.

    It’s about 2:30Hrs long. I doubt you’ll watch it but it would provide the background for what’s happening now, that is, The Plan to Save the World.

    https://youtu.be/rdfmBXkzsTI

    If you do watch that I’ll give you another.

    Might be easier to sit back and watch the show. We are at Stage 5 of 5 of the greatest Military Operation in History.

  115. egg_

    How many CEO’s or board members have build something from scratch.

    Tricky Dicky Smith said he wasn’t a genius, just surrounded himself by experts (and humbly took their advice?).

  116. egg_

    When their Christine Nixon walked out from the emergency services control room as the State burnt down, that was as she has proudly proclaimed since, to prove the day of the pale stale male leading from the front was over.

    Her hairdresser gave her advice on how to manage the crisis?

  117. egg_

    Do we have to question the value and operational lifespan of the infrastructure thrown up by our Landsharks and Windsharks?.

    Much of today’s design is via CAD with minimal real world verification of design – including your combine harvester – gamers are your contemporary designers.

  118. stackja

    Mark A
    #2892199, posted on December 26, 2018 at 9:01 am

    The Daily Telegraph understands the cracks had appeared in a precast panel which had been manufactured off-site. It is understood an outer face of concrete came under pressure and a layer came off. The concrete transfers load, or weight, to the structural column. The cracks are reportedly all on a panel on level 10, but there are 51 units which have a line to that panel.

  119. Three women of the house packing and me loading the car for holidays.
    The Sixth Level of Hell.

  120. Leigh Lowe

    Three women of the house packing and me loading the car for holidays.
    The Sixth Level of Hell.

    In my world the torment is the refusal to use suitcases or bags which close.
    All the wordly goods are carried in multiple snaller baskets and open top bags which are overloaded to the point where they are guaranteed to drop 23% of the contents at the most inopportune time.
    I feel your pain.

  121. Mother Lode

    ‘Process oriented’ sounds like a synonym for ‘bureaucratic’.

    And now of course we have the heads of departments calling themselves CEOs.

    Wait for the business leaders to start adopting initialisms like DHDRM (Department Head Directly Responsible to the Minister). They are already far more likely to implement government diktats upon shareholders than champion shareholders needs to government.

  122. Top Ender

    Hope you’re surviving the humidity RockDoctor – it’s pretty ferocious this time of year.

    I’m down with the variable weather in Hobart.

  123. egg_

    The concrete transfers load, or weight, to the structural column…

  124. Boambee John

    bespoke
    #2892184, posted on December 26, 2018 at 8:38 am
    Riccardo

    I see education reform as the key to all other issues.

    Riccardo Bosi
    #2892185, posted on December 26, 2018 at 8:40 am
    Yes, education is fundamental.

    A few days ago someone posted a link to the One Nation education policy for the next NSW state election, which might have been writted by Mark Latham. It looked good, a bit of either collaboration or selective plagiarism might be worthwhile.

  125. egg_

    Structural Engineer on Reddit:

    In terms of the National Construction Code its one of the first general clauses. The structure needs to be able withstand all forces reasonably expected to act on it, and also withstand all time dependent actions reasonably expected for the life of the building. As for the certification, I am not sure. This whole industry with the private certifying authorities, councils getting kickbacks for developments, it’s a mess. I can say there is no one working on any construction project in the residential space that is independent. Everyone has a vested interest in seeing this thing get built in the quickest way possible. It’s frankly disgusting.

    When contractors produce certificates for buildings they omit all the issues encountered during construction. Or they attach it at the back as an email with someone else taking the blame. It’s just buck passing. You think there is 1 structural engineer but no, in fact there are probably 10 different engineers, all passing the buck between each other. The company I worked for also had to play that game.

    For example there might be the lead consulting engineer, but he doesn’t design everything, the slabs get designed by the pre-stressing contractor, the columns are detailed by the pre-cast contractor, the shoring is done by the shoring contractor. Then each of those contractors have suppliers they pass the buck onto. The stressing contractor passes the buck over onto their supplier of strands, the pre-cast contractor passes it onto their epoxy/dowel supplier. It’s messy.

    FIU bridge, anyone?

  126. calli

    The Sixth Level of Hell.

    Seventh Level – trying to inflate a giant llama pool toy without a foot pump as small children look on expectantly.

  127. stackja

    2GB Chris Johnson CEO Urban Taskforce discussing Tower.

  128. Tel

    Tel, if you’re still watching Television and reading Newspapers nothing I present would satisfy you.

    I’m happy to accept other sources if you have them, but they have to be current and reasonably plausible.

    It’s about 2:30Hrs long. I doubt you’ll watch it but it would provide the background for what’s happening now, that is, The Plan to Save the World.

    I’ll watch a little bit, but “background” isn’t a relevant source for the specific question of Trump ending the Fed in the near future. You don’t need to explain to me there’s a lot of people who would LIKE to end the Fed, nor do you need to explain what such people grumble about all day. I’m sure they are on about the evils of debt and usury and I’m equally sure they aren’t saying anything that hasn’t been said over and again since the Middle Ages, or possibly before. The Christians already wrestled with this, read up on The School of Salamanca.

    How about a deal? I’ll bet you that by Christmas 2019 (on year away) the Fed will still be structurally the same Fed, doing the same job, maybe with interest rates a little higher or lower but no significant change to the organization. If you win then I will start taking your alerts seriously, but if I win then you need to make an effort to include sources and reasoning instead of jumping to the conclusion and expecting everyone to accept that.

  129. Boambee John

    incoherent rambler
    #2892201, posted on December 26, 2018 at 9:08 am
    Opal – one question.

    Where was the cement made?
    China? NSW?

    We probably don’t make cement any more because CO2 emissions.

    Strangely, making cement in China and shipping it to Australia doesn’t involve any CO2 emissions.

  130. stackja

    Kevin Donnelly: Why we need to fear PC changes to our language
    Kevin Donnelly, The Daily Telegraph
    December 26, 2018 12:00am
    Subscriber only

    There’s no doubt that political correctness is a dangerous and rampant disease that is enforcing cultural-left group think and changing the English language. Gone are the days when we could have robust debate about controversial issues and when “identity politics and “victimhood” had yet to be invented.

    Politically correct language is especially virulent in relation to gender and sexuality. A Qantas staff manual suggests relacing the expressions “husband and wife” and “mum and dad” with the gender neutral “partner” or “spouse” so as not to offend gay couples. In Victoria a government department organised what was described as a “They day” to pressure staff not to use gender specific pronouns like “he” or “she” when referring to a man or woman as it enforces a “heteronormative” view of gender and sexuality.

    Men who see women as feminine and alluring and who are happy to be masculine are attacked as “misogynist”, “ phallocen – tric” and guilty of enforcing a traditional, “binary” view of gender that leads to domestic violence against women.

    Even the feminist Germain Greer has been banned from speaking at universities in the UK (known as “no platforming”) because she argues a man who transitions to becoming a woman will always be a man.

    As George Orwell details in 1984, one of the most effective strategies used by totalitarian dictatorships to maintain power is to control language and how citizens think and communicate. In Orwell’s novel Big Brother argues “War is peace, freedom is slavery and ignorance is strength”.

    And Orwell best sums up the dangers of PC language when he argues “The implied objective of this line of thought is a nightmare world in which the Leader, or some ruling clique, controls not only the future but the past … If he says that two and two are five — well, two and two are five. This prospect frightens me much more than bombs”.

    Dr Kevin Donnelly is a Senior Research Fellow at the Australian Catholic University and author of How Political Correctness Is Destroying Education (Wilkinson Publishing).

  131. Diogenes

    Leigh,
    Mrs Diogenes was of this school of thought, until I buggered my shoulder whilst on the trip ans she had to pack the carry the stuff out etc…. so she had to carry my goods & chattels and hers, and when she dropped and smashed her duty free booze…She has now seen the wisdom of my approach and adopted it with a vengeance. She mimics her old process using big resealable bags paked into suitcase

  132. John Constantine

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2018/dec/18/labor-calls-for-employers-to-be-jailed-under-industrial-manslaughter-laws

    ““Labor will take action to fix our wages system so working people get their fair share in pay rises. Labor will take action to address the gender pay gap.

    “Because Labor hears working people, understands working people. Labor will act to change the rules to bring back fairness for working people.”

    Shorten told the conference he would work to bring employers and workers together and argued that poor wage growth was “bad for business” because it hurt demand in “shopping centres and high streets” around the country.

    Shorten said that enterprise bargaining was “simply not doing the job” and had failed workers with little bargaining power, at the bottom or end of the supply chain, labour hire and casual workers and those providing government-funded services.

    “And increasingly it doesn’t work for well-paid workers,” he said, adding that labour productivity had increased but the current system encouraged employers to cut wages.”

    Printing money seems a logical way to fund the light on the hill.

    Comrades.

  133. egg_

    Abbott666 to be ousted by mummybloggers?

    Identikit independents, all of them obsessed with climate change and other non-local issues, are set to swarm Tony Abbott’s electorate in the next federal election.

    /T Blair

  134. John Constantine

    “There was no hiding Cain, as he railed against employers who received fines of as little as $67,000 for a death on-site.

    “Put them in jail – like they’ve tried to put us in jail – put them in jail,” Cain said.

    The resolution he moved stated that: “All workers in Australia deserve to know that there are consequences to negligent and reckless conduct which may lead – or tragically does lead – to a death.

    “Strong industrial manslaughter laws and penalties which act as a real deterrent are an essential element of providing safer workplaces.”

    McManus struck a conciliatory note by suggesting the union movement would “reach out hand of cooperation to every good employer who also wants to live in a fair society”.

    But McManus blasted Coalition politicians, who she said treated the low paid and workers with insecure jobs as “statistics to be distorted, repackaged or ignored”.

    “Do they even have any mates who work for a labour hire company or are in involuntary casual work?” she said. “Do you think they hang out with anyone on the minimum wage or even on the average wage?”

    The good employers that collaborate, donate and demonstrate in the name of Stalin will be purged last.

    Comrades.

    Their shorten looting cartel is no joke.

  135. stackja

    As the Fed celebrates its centennial, Milton Friedman explains why the Federal Reserve should be abolished

    The Federal Reserve Act that created the US Federal Reserve Bank was passed almost 100 years ago on December 23, 1913. As the Federal Reserve prepares to celebrate its centennial this year, what would Milton Friedman say? In the 1994 video above, Milton Friedman explains why he thinks the Fed should be abolished. Reason? It has a “very poor record, and it’s done more harm than good.”

  136. calli

    Pre-cast panels are still made in Australia.

    Probably cost more than the Chinese ones. Clearly the building industry, as opposed to Trendy Food Inc, doesn’t freak out over Concrete Miles.

  137. egg_

    Identikit independents, all of them obsessed with climate change and other non-local issues, are set to swarm Tony Abbott’s electorate in the next federal election.

    Reads like an assemblage of panellists from Teh Dumb’s freakshow.

  138. John Constantine

    Their shorten promises that those that provide government funded services will have a voice to demand fair wage rises.

    Is this actual bribery?.

    Once the australian dollar is a fully electronic cashless cryptocurrency, we won’t have to worry about being able to afford to buy the paper to print the money with, or afford the power to run the printing presses.

  139. Pre-cast panels are still made in Australia.

    But what about the key ingredient, the cement?

  140. Roger

    In The Oz:

    Morrison unpopular in regional QLD.

    Former Liberal voter in Flynn, now PHON, looking forward to their “annihilation”.

    Meanwhile, in Chisholm, a Chinese immigrant voting for the first time will vote Labor because “we need more immigration & diversity”. Both Liberal and Labor candidates for the seat are Chinese.

    The old and the new Australia. Who will be able to hold it together come the down turn?

  141. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    -https://www.heraldsun.com.au/blogs/andrew-bolt/remember-the-australians-who-begged-chavez-to-guide-us/news-story/bf4929f6e68e725817baac355df6bff8

    So much stupidity, so little time.

  142. Mother Lode

    gamers are your contemporary designers.

    Not long ago feminists and beta-males (always desperate for approval from domineering females) denounced Barbie dolls for the anatomically perplexing waist dimensions.

    You seen the shapes of CGI people.

    If Chinese genetic engineers have their way, be prepared for a generation with gargantuan bobble-heads, eyes so large that they cannot sit in spherical orbis and still sit side-by-side in their heads, noses so tiny that’s they will be asphyxiated by their first boogey, tubular bodies bereft of bone or muscle, and limbs that snap constantly because their joints have no buttressing to provide movement and strength.

  143. Tom

    Injuns win the toss and decide to bat first. I think the draw is still around $5 — way overs. Get on.

  144. calli

    The Marulan plant and quarry are still operating, as is Gladstone. Pretty sure there are many others around Australia. The components are all readily available here.

  145. struth

    Good Moaning.

    Chinese steel and cement ………………mostly dirt.

    The Lefties couldn’t help themselves yesterday.
    I drove the In laws down so the old bloke could drink, as I didn’t feel like drinking in the company I was going to keep.

    We entered the Solar panelled enviro-positioned no A/C well vented architecturally designed hipster house with grey water …….blah blah, you get the picture.

    Before the regular pork roast for lunch, all manner of Asian dishes were placed in front of us with raw fish and seaweed, Ceviche of reef cod, sashimi salmon and scallops they even had chop sticks.
    Very traditional.
    I used a fork, explaining I’ll eat this raw fish but I’m from a culture that invented eating utensils.
    What is it with the left and their hatred of the west and it’s traditions?
    Anyway, the book that was given to me was “The Land before Advocado” an historical Romp by ABC luvvie, Richard Glover where he bemoans the frightful state of food and the horrific racism of the nation before multiculturalism.
    His own dreamy recollections presented as historical fact .
    I’ll start my next fire pit night with it.
    They started on about Christianity and how all religions are stupid, but Buddism is apparently their ideal example of getting close to perfection.
    The crusades were only pursued to enrich the English!
    I said I was sick of everyone attacking Christians and catholics and wether they believed in god or not, they think like Christians and live in a Christian country, and that the freedom Christianity gave us via free will to be judged after death, not thrown of a building or killed for Blasphemy is the basis on which the west and it’s freedoms flourished.
    Female lefty claimed that Christianity followed basis human decency, and that all people in the world hold these values.

    Are you actually serious?!! I asked.

    She was.

    No good arguing with them.
    It all starts in our schools and the ABC have a firm strangle hold on these two regional QLD’ers who listen to it because it has pushed out all other competition in the area.

    Defunding is now our only option.
    But a bunch of traitors called the Liberal party have far greater concerns, trying to sign our sovereignty away to global socialism, behind our backs, and aren’t going to be doing that.

  146. egg_

    Meanwhile, in Chisholm, a Chinese immigrant voting for the first time will vote Labor because “we need more immigration & diversity”. Both Liberal and Labor candidates for the seat are Chinese.

    So long as teh great diversidee is Chinese?

  147. struth

    Did anyone else have a win against lefties in the Christmas culture wars???

  148. stackja

    2GB had interview about concrete testing. As I remember, a random sample was taken and sent to be tested. Opal Tower, many questions.

  149. egg_

    If Chinese genetic engineers have their way, be prepared for a generation with gargantuan bobble-heads, eyes so large that they cannot sit in spherical orbis and still sit side-by-side in their heads, noses so tiny that’s they will be asphyxiated by their first boogey, tubular bodies bereft of bone or muscle, and limbs that snap constantly because their joints have no buttressing to provide movement and strength.

    Sans booty, of course.

  150. stackja

    Ready Mix trucks once everywhere now?

    Headquartered in Switzerland, LafargeHolcim holds leading positions in all regions across the globe.

  151. mh

    What is the Federal Reserve Bank (FED) and why do we have it? November 1, 1999

    …..Without a central bank to manipulate the supply of money, the United States experienced unprecedented growth for 60 or 70 years, and the resulting wealth was too much for bankers to endure. They had to get back into the game. So, in 1910 Senator Nelson Aldrich, then Chairman of the National Monetary Commission, in collusion with representatives of the European central banks, devised a plan to pressure and deceive Congress into enacting legislation that would covertly establish a private central bank.

    This bank would assume control over the American economy by controlling the issuance of its money. After a huge public relations campaign, engineered by the foreign central banks, the Federal Reserve Act of 1913 was slipped through Congress during the Christmas recess, with many members of the Congress absent. President Woodrow Wilson, pressured by his political and financial backers, signed it on December 23, 1913.

    The act created the Federal Reserve System, a name carefully selected and designed to deceive. “Federal” would lead one to believe that this is a government organization. “Reserve” would lead one to believe that the currency is being backed by gold and silver. “System” was used in lieu of the word “bank” so that one would not conclude that a new central bank had been created.

    In reality, the act created a private, for profit, central banking corporation owned by a cartel of private banks. Who owns the FED? The Rothschilds of London and Berlin; Lazard Brothers of Paris; Israel Moses Seif of Italy; Kuhn, Loeb and Warburg of Germany; and the Lehman Brothers, Goldman, Sachs and the Rockefeller families of New York.

    Did you know that the FED is the only for-profit corporation in America that is exempt from both federal and state taxes? The FED takes in about one trillion dollars per year tax free! The banking families listed above get all that money…

    https://www.tysknews.com/Depts/Taxes/fed_banking_fraud.htm

  152. Notafan

    Did anyone else have a win against lefties in the Christmas culture wars???

    Not sure about that but there was an interesting discussion regarding a certain person known as informant 3838 who is known to someone I know.

    Various theories blown up and agreement reached that Vicpol establishment has the most to lose from any revelations. Oh and that any suffering is self inflcted.

    One revealing comment though that the family progs realise that I test the veracity of any claim about anything.

    I only had a third of a glass of sparkling wine though -and it was much more fun to play with the five and one year old niece and nephew.

  153. Roger

    Did anyone else have a win against lefties in the Christmas culture wars???

    I had a minor victory with my daughter in a postprandial discussion on abortion rights prompted by something on the idiot box.

    She’s questioning the indoctrination of her school years – private, Christian school, mind you; now at work/uni.

    It’s clear that, despite my best efforts to ensure the contrary, she wasn’t taught to think but to emote and repeat prog left orthodoxy.

    One or two gentle but probing questions looking for a rational basis for what she was taught and it all begins to fall apart.

  154. mh

    JC, click the link and read the entire article.

    It’s a gem.

  155. Roger

    … private, Christian school, mind you

    These days all the teachers are feminists, even the men.

    The time for outsourcing the education of the offspring of traditionalists has passed.

  156. stackja

    Tennant Creek family faces heartbreak as their home bursts into flames on Christmas Day
    NATASHA EMECK, NT News
    December 25, 2018 4:43pm

    CHRISTMAS Day is meant to be one of the happiest times of the year but it quickly turned to heartbreak for one Tennant Creek family when their home burst into flames today.

    NT Fire and Rescue Service, Police and St John Ambulance responded to a structure fire in Noble St, Tennant Creek at about 12.40pm today and upon arrival the house was fully alight.

    A police spokeswoman said the building, a car, and a shipping container received extensive damage.

    She said at this time the fire was being treated as suspicious.

    How much of recent Tennant Creek events are suspicious?

  157. Notafan

    is that a conspiracy theory mb?

  158. stackja

    Heatwave across southern Australia will challenge record books, says BOM, as shark sightings close beaches on Christmas Day
    Mitch Mott, Anna Vlach, The Advertiser
    12 minutes ago

    The heatwave enveloping SA may break records, according to the Bureau of Meteorology, which explained the weather phenomena pushing up the high temperatures.

    As thousands head to the beach, where shark sightings forced the temporary evacuation of two SA beaches on Christmas Day, the bureau said a blocking system off the east coast was trapping the heat.

    “This heatwave that’s developing now over southern and southeastern Australia is going to be challenging the record books,” Sky News senior meteorologist Tristan Meyers said.

    “This is not only due to how hot individual days are going to be — for example 45C, 46C, and potentially 47C in parts of western, southern NSW, northern Victoria and South Australia — but also how prolonged it’s going to be.

    “For some areas we’re going to see a week or more of 45C-plus temperatures and that hasn’t ever happened before — particularly in December, but potentially all time.”

  159. Mother Lode

    Did anyone else have a win against lefties in the Christmas culture wars???

    Does the sea overwhelm the cliff? Does time surpass millennia? Does a droplet of a single fresh idea soften the hard baked parched, cracked earth of lefty convictions?

    Through an infinitesimal process, on a scale almost unimaginably dwarfed by the challenge, change can be brought about.

    You can defeat a lefty’s logic, but the lefty is another matter. They are always ready to dismiss people who challenge them as wrong without bothering with ‘how?’ They have a ready made set of their own facts on all topics shaped by people from ABC, Fairfax and such who have no expertise in any topics.

    But who knows. If you know a lefty who reaches the age of 10,000 years, you might at length hear them say something like “I sometimes wonder if some jihadis are motivated by their own beliefs, not by my opinion of George Bush’s policies regarding Climate Change.”

    Interesting fact: Current theory holds that 90% of observed black holes in the universe started as lefties of different species that died and, once all their tissues had rotted away, all that remains was their minds.

  160. areff

    Heard this over Christmas lunch from a young kinswoman, a recently graduated doctor, now working ER. Her swain’s ambition is to become a ob-gyn specialist but, so she tells me, to get accepted as full-blown Sultan of the Stirrups, he has to be approved by the ob-gyn establishment. He gets three chances, after which he cannot apply again. Ever. There are no explanations why an application is rejected, so no hint about which areas of study need improvement. Indeed, she said a candidate could be perfect and still not make the cut, as it is entirely at the whim and caprice of the licensing panel. If they don’t like the colour of his eyes, that could be enough.

    She tells me he has been rejected twice but is feeling good about his looming third attempt because he has been accepted at a hospital with too many lady doctors, so reckons he’ll be allowed to proceed in order to get the gender balance right.

    All very shocking, but then she told me that all the ob-gyn specialists at the hospital where she works have been imported from the Subcontinent. Every single one.

    So an Australian — a brilliant kid at that — can’t get into the closed shop while jobs are being given to imports who face no such barriers.

    A decent Health Minister would be looking to fix that. So it won’t get fixed at all, not ever.

    Australia, the world’s most blessed nation with the worst political and establishment class on the planet.

  161. Riccardo Bosi posted on December 26, 2018 at 8:17 am
    Our objective at this stage is to prevent their victory.

    —————————————————————————————————–
    Men, please remember:
    A patriot must always be ready to defend his country against his government.”
    Edward Abbey, 1927-1989, philosopher, and author

    “It is the first responsibility of every citizen to question authority
    .”
    Benjamin Franklin, American statesman

    “Dissent is the highest form of patriotism.
    ” Thomas Jefferson, 3rd President

    “It is not the function of the government to keep the citizen from falling into error;
    it is the function of the citizen to keep the government from falling into error.”
    Robert H. Jackson, 1892-1954, U. S. Supreme Court Justice

  162. Mother Lode

    2GB had interview about concrete testing.

    If the ABC does the same they will interview a local Greens member somewhere with a PhD in Critical Political Gender Studies and chairman of Concerned Citizens Opposed to Unconcerned Citizens – We Know Who They Are!

  163. Roger

    She tells me he has been rejected twice but is feeling good about his looming third attempt because he has been accepted at a hospital with too many lady doctors, so reckons he’ll be allowed to proceed in order to get the gender balance right.

    It’s only about balance when there’s a surfeit of males.

    The goal is for women to dominate every profession. ‘

    It’s called revenge.

  164. calli

    Did anyone else have a win against lefties in the Christmas culture wars???

    Yes. I told someone who was determined to be offended that they were loved and gave them a big hug.

    Cracking victory!

  165. C.L.

    Stephen Colbert (he started insisting it be pronounced Colbair at college) flies in a Chinaman to do a stand-up bit about Donald “Twump” and his wall. Like all left-wing “comedians,” he isn’t funny.

    One of the ‘jokes’ is that being a Chinaman, he knows walls don’t work.
    But I’m pretty sure 20,000 ‘asylum seekers’ don’t get to waltz into China. So the Chinese wall works pretty well, actually.

  166. Mother Lode

    Yes. I told someone who was determined to be offended that they were loved and gave them a big hug.

    Ha!

    You weaponised the Christmas spirit.

    They were probably awake all night trying to shoehorn the experience into a power or gender narrative.

  167. calli

    The heatwave enveloping SA may break records,

    Wrong. It warps them. Don’t leave them in the sun.

  168. struth

    I wouldn’t say I won anything yesterday.
    When you’ve honed your arguments and they have nothing, they just trot out such absurd bullshit that to call them on it can’t be down without insulting them personally for being think and insulated.

    To state that our Christian society would have occurred anyway, as it’s the natural state of human affairs and Christianity just followed it is so extremely ludicrous you can only insult them as a response.
    I mean I could have pointed to world history or any other culture in existence today but I was just gobsmacked to be honest.

    We give them too much credit by arguing with them.
    Defund and defeat.

  169. Roger

    Early days, but it seems they can’t even get a cricket pitch right in Victoriastan anymore.

    If this keeps up, the Boxing Day MCG Test may be an endangered species.

  170. stackja

    C.L.
    #2892259, posted on December 26, 2018 at 11:11 am

    Joe Wong? or Joe Wrong?

  171. zyconoclast

    “We are going to physically remove ICE from the county jails,” Villanueva said, adding that he also planned to cut down the list of roughly 150 misdemeanor offenses that trigger department cooperation with U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents.

    “We’re going to pare that list down substantially” and reduce it to reflect only the most serious charges, the newly-elected sheriff told the board, saying he planned on “honoring the spirit and the letter of SB 54,” sometimes called the “sanctuary state” law.

  172. mh

    IT’S TIME TO AUDIT THE FED
    10:03 AM 08/21/2017 | OPINION
    Sen. Rand Paul | Senator (R-KY)

    ….In 2009, then-Fed Chairman Ben Bernanke was able to refuse to tell Congress who received over two trillion in Fed loans, and it took congressional action and a Bloomberg lawsuit to force the Fed to reveal the details of what it did in more than 21,000 transactions involving trillions of dollars during the 2008 financial crisis. A one-time audit of the Fed’s emergency lending mandated by Congress revealed even more about the extent to which the Fed put taxpayers on the hook….

    https://dailycaller.com/2017/08/21/its-time-to-audit-the-fed/

  173. egg_

    Heatwave across southern Australia will challenge record books, says BOM, as shark sightings close beaches on Christmas Day

    Sharknado cometh?

  174. Mother Lode

    Joe Wong? or Joe Wrong?

    Well, if he really pronounced it ‘Twump’…

  175. Death Giraffe

    She tells me he has been rejected twice but is feeling good about his looming third attempt because he has been accepted at a hospital with too many lady doctors, so reckons he’ll be allowed to proceed in order to get the gender balance right.
    All very shocking, but then she told me that all the ob-gyn specialists at the hospital where she works have been imported from the Subcontinent. Every single one.

    ..
    What a disgrace.
    ..
    Not a surprise though.
    The rest of the world sees Australia as terra nullius.
    A new frontier. Completely up for grabs by competing blocs.
    We are well into the process of the handful of millions of old Australians being just swept casually aside.
    We deserve this. A people with no sense of purpose, aim or moral basis, is already dust.

  176. struth

    She tells me he has been rejected twice but is feeling good about his looming third attempt because he has been accepted at a hospital with too many lady doctors, so reckons he’ll be allowed to proceed in order to get the gender balance right.

    Proof there is no degree in wisdom at universities.

  177. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    “A Shorten Government is coming and Hell is coming with it.”

    Comment from the Oz. I thought I was pessimistic.

  178. C.L.

    Relating a story at a Christmas gathering about a beloved old family friend, I explained for the benefit of a newcomer mid-anecdote that he was “sub-normal.” “Anyway,” I continued, before being piously instructed that “we” don’t say “sub-normal” any more because it’s Offensive. I Trumped the young lass thus (video) and continued on, using the same word.

  179. egg_

    she told me that all the ob-gyn specialists at the hospital where she works have been imported from the Subcontinent. Every single one.

    Carry on up the Khyber?

  180. Roger

    Heatwave across southern Australia will challenge record books, says BOM, as shark sightings close beaches on Christmas Day

    A typical Christmas for those parts then.

    Meteorologists are unfamiliar with Aesop’s Fables?

  181. zyconoclast

    Sweden’s Parallel Society, a case of mass immigration without assimilation

    I don’t go to those places without security,” a Swedish journalist tells me when I ask whether she would accompany me to some of her country’s “especially vulnerable” areas. The label is given by police to neighborhoods where crime is rampant and parallel social structures compete for authority with the state. To the politically incorrect, these are also known as “immigrant ghettos.”

    The closer the GPS told me I was to my destination, the more headscarves I saw and the less Swedish I heard. In Rosengård, youths gathered during school hours in streets and parks around the public housing that lined the neighborhood. In fact, fewer than half of ninth-graders here pass enough classes to enroll in high school.

    In Rinkeby, young girls and even some babies were dressed in modesty headscarves. Cafés were in practice male-only spaces, and a restaurant in the town center offered segregated seating, with a curtain, for “families,” a euphemism for women.

    The on-the-ground reality I witnessed in some parts of Sweden stood in stark contrast to the egalitarian utopia I had been sold by American progressives. How did Sweden, on the whole a prosperous and peaceful nation, also develop parallel, segregated societies afflicted by criminality and violence? The starkest reminder of this reality are the numerous grenade explosions and gun murders that have become a regular occurrence across some sections of society. In fact, Sweden’s homicide rate is now above the Western European average.

    “We have failed at integration for the past 30 years,” Mustafa Panshiri, a former police officer and now full-time integration educator, tells me. Panshiri, who came to Sweden with his family from Afghanistan when he was eleven, says Sweden excels at welcoming migrants but fails at explaining what citizenship is. “You don’t have to speak a single word of Swedish to become a citizen. There are no expectations.”

    That sentiment was repeated by Omar Makram, a 33-year-old refugee from Egypt who entered Sweden at the beginning of the migrant crisis in 2014. He describes government authorities as wholly ignorant or willfully blind, in the name of tolerance, to problematic, regressive cultural attitudes held by some migrants.

  182. We are well into the process of the handful of millions of old Australians being just swept casually aside.
    We deserve this. A people with no sense of purpose, aim or moral basis, is already dust.

    Die Boomers, die you bastards!

  183. egg_

    The rest of the world sees Australia as terra nullius.

    We need to perform a welcome to country to our great Khyber overlords.

  184. zyconoclast

    Calgary church challenges ‘aggressively white’ nativity scenes

    A small church in Calgary has put a new spin on the classic Christmas nativity scene by including more diverse faces.

    The 110-year-old Red Deer Lake United Church’s display shows Mary and Joseph with dark complexions and wearing contemporary clothing. It also features Canadian astronaut Roberta Bondar, American singer-songwriter Michael Franti and National Chief of the Assembly of First Nations Perry Bellegarde as the biblical three kings.

    Rev. Nicholas Coates said his church strives to make everyone feel accepted, and that “too often, nativity scenes are just aggressively white.”

    “If this is a story that took place in first century Middle East, they would be brown people,” he said.

    “That, I think, can open up a lot of really important questions when we think about immigration policies and how we welcome the others,” Coates added.

    The nativity scene was created by local artist Larry Stilwell, who said that Bellegarde was included because “we need to be engaging our First Nations brothers and sisters.”

    Stillwell added that he wants the nativity scene to provoke soul-searching in those who see it.

    “The characters are designed to look you square in the eye and ask you, ‘Are you in or out?’” he said. “Are you committed to a Christian scene or a Christian lifestyle? Or are you prepared to stand on the sidelines?”

  185. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Die Boomers, die you bastards!

    Jealous, much, oh Fascist hyena of the blog? Remember your blood pressure, now, won’t you?

  186. https://www.tysknews.com/Depts/Taxes/fed_banking_fraud.htm

    Celebrating twenty years of the same Web site with absolutely no update to their site design! Impressively retro. All it needs is a Myspace login.

  187. candy

    Did anyone else have a win against lefties in the Christmas culture wars???

    I find it easier just to say nothing about political/culture issues at the family gatherings at Christmas.

    My son’s a big Trump fan though and has been from the beginning. Likes what Trump is trying to achieve for the working class in America and how he speaks his mind, his quirky personality, the whole MAGA thing.
    Being a millennial though he still has the climate change/global warming thing stamped on him from school days

  188. egg_

    Joe Wong? or Joe Wrong?

    Well, if he really pronounced it ‘Twump’…


    Room Service – Tendewberrymuds

  189. egg_

    Die Boomers, die you bastards!

    JC will probably outlast you, soyboy.

  190. Roger

    Rev. Nicholas Coates said his church strives to make everyone feel accepted, and that “too often, nativity scenes are just aggressively white. If this is a story that took place in first century Middle East, they would be brown people,” he said.

    There is a centuries old tradition in Christian art of depicting at least one of the three magi as black.

    But’s it’s never too late for a white liberal to see the light, Rev’d Coates.

  191. struth

    Die Boomers, die you bastards!

    Yeah, Merry Christmas to you too.

    You idiot, you white skinned, red headed idiot.
    Why do you think you’d get a pass?

  192. Notafan

    She tells me he has been rejected twice but is feeling good about his looming third attempt because he has been accepted at a hospital with too many lady doctors, so reckons he’ll be allowed to proceed in order to get the gender balance right.

    And we are rather suspect of sub continental degrees, anyhow.

    That really ticks me off, of course if sub continentals have taken over the decision making body say no more

  193. calli

    Not dead yet. I plan to live forever.

  194. Zatara

    Did anyone else have a win against lefties in the Christmas culture wars???

    Still sipping my scotch, puffing on my pipe, and now cleaning lefty ofal off my bayonet.

    One actually gave me a gorgeous knife sharpening stone for Christmas.

    There is a lesson in that somewhere.

  195. Notafan

    United Church

    is that like uniting church but better?

    Rev sillyman should get out more-every single country that has a Christian heritage depicts the Holy Family as people just like them-and yes western traditions often include an Asian and and an African king

    I have seen some fabulous nativity collections -including one in a medieval hall in Padua featuring Asian, African and South American nativities and not one included white people.

  196. egg_

    if sub continentals have taken over the decision making body say no more

    From previous, there are many such enclaves in IT, but even their subordinates openly prefer an Aussie boss.

  197. Bushkid

    An article by Peter Ridd, the scientist sacked by JCU for daring to question the science of the “dreadful demise fo the GBR”. Behind the paywall unfortunately, but actually worth the purchase of the paper copy if you’re not a subscriber, even if only to support the Oz in publishing Ridd’s article.

    https://www.theaustralian.com.au/opinion/coral-can-take-the-heat-unlike-experts-crying-wolf/news-story/8c156af5de30464dc29935a327869898

  198. Riccardo Bossi:

    Both correct, so we have a choice to make:
    A. Do something
    B. Do nothing
    I choose B.

    My choice too. Survive the collapse – influence the rebuild.

  199. mh

    m0nty
    #2892281, posted on December 26, 2018 at 11:25 am
    https://www.tysknews.com/Depts/Taxes/fed_banking_fraud.htm

    Celebrating twenty years of the same Web site with absolutely no update to their site design! Impressively retro. All it needs is a Myspace login.

    Monty has to resort to attacking the site design, not the content. Very telling!

  200. C.L.

    Rev. Nicholas Coates said his church strives to make everyone feel accepted, and that “too often, nativity scenes are just aggressively white. If this is a story that took place in first century Middle East, they would be brown people,” he said.

    Bullshit. Science has now established that ancient peoples of that region had a relatively low sub-Saharan genetic makeup (far lower than modern Egyptians, for example). As low as 8 percent. They probably looked like modern Greeks.

  201. John Constantine

    Nothing is certain in once was Australia, except Shorten and death and taxes.

  202. max

    Did anyone else have a win against lefties in the Christmas culture wars???

    My Korean daughter-in-law-to-be is working her way through an MBA at Melbourne and has absorbed a lot of management-think. She wanted to talk about the benefits of free trade with regard to China: ‘It’s lifted 50m people out of poverty.’

    It became a bit heated. What about Chinese business ethics ? What about the opioid problem among the hopeless and jobless ? Look at Geelong and Whyalla. It went on for a while. European tariffs on cars from the US etc etc. The wealth of the West transferred to the East. MBA graduates benefiting but car workers not.

    I’m feeling a bit guilty. Hope I haven’t kyboshed the coming nuptials.

  203. Boambee John

    In case m0nty missed it earlier.

    On the subject of Wussian collusion, what is the word from our resident fascist (or is he really a communist) about the Demorats using fake Wussian bots to spread disinformation and suppress voter turnout in that controversial Alabama special senate election earlier this year? Now that the Demorats have successfully demonstrated that bogus Wussian bots can be set up and used by them, how will Mueller prove that the bots he is focussed on were real, and not actually another Demorat disinformation operation? Shot themselves in foot?

  204. Bruce of Newcastle

    There’s a bit of a fad lately – stealing Jesus.

    Across Minnesota, thieves steal baby Jesus statues away from the manger

    It’s not just Minnesota (although parts of that state are known as little Somalia/little Mogadishu). If you search the news of the last few days you’ll see that nativity scenes have been raided in Coventry (US), Utah, Oklahoma, Tennessee, Lancashire (UK) and others.

    I have no idea why this is happening, or the motives of the perps doing it, but it certainly shows the rising contempt for Christianity. I doubt these people who do the same to muslims, or even hindus for that matter.

    The NYT helpfully suggests various ways you can stop it.

    How to Keep Baby Jesus in the Manger? Bolts, Cameras and Tethers

    Maybe he should be nailed down, seeing it worked for the Romans.

  205. Roger

    She wanted to talk about the benefits of free trade with regard to China: ‘It’s lifted 50m people out of poverty.’

    Free trade with China, you say?

    Can we sell them rice?

    No, despite WTO rules.

  206. Boambee John

    m0nty at 1122

    Die Boomers, die you bastards!

    Remember m0nty, “Honour thy father and thy mother”. Do you really wish your parents to die?

  207. Zatara

    Hope I haven’t kyboshed the coming nuptials.

    “Told ya so” after a child divorces is lame. Get it in the convo now or never say it again.

  208. John Constantine

    https://newsroom.unsw.edu.au/news/business-law/barley-tactical-weapon-china-takes-australia-over-dumping

    “Barley is far from a random choice

    Barley is not a random choice. To push Australia to abandon its attachment to anti-dumping measures, China has strategically targeted one of Australia’s major exports.

    China is Australia’s biggest customer for exported barley. It pays A$1.2 billion for 4.2 million tonnes, around 68% of Australia’s barley exports to its top ten markets.

    Barley producers and exporters are spread across many Australian states, and they had been relying on the recently signed China-Australia Free Trade Agreement, which eliminated Chinese tariffs.

    As of July 31, 2015, 70 barley exporters were registered with China’s import inspection and quarantine authority.

    But China has many other suppliers from which to choose. It can restrict imports of high-quality Australian barley while continuing to import high-quality barley from elsewhere.
    It promises years of turmoil

    China’s investigation might take a year. However, it is able to impose preliminary duties after 60 days.

    After any final determination to impose anti-dumping duties, these measures are likely to remain in place for five years, with the possibility of an extension for a further five years.

    Only ten Australian barley producers and exporters are identified in the application lodged by the China Chamber of International Commerce, but it would be wise for the others to cooperate with the investigation.

    Uncooperative exporters will face significantly higher duties.

    Australia can challenge the barley investigation in the WTO, but the rules suggest it can only do so after China’s ministry of commerce has made a final decision.

    And the challenge might take years, during which time the anti-dumping duties would stay in place and China had become used to sourcing barley from elsewhere.”

    The threat of massive chicom tariffs on Australian barley in a big harvest year, sprung after all input costs have been spent and the huge of piles of tens of millions of tonnes of grain have nowhere to go, would be a massive credit shock to a still important part of the economy.

    Once the Tyrant can one road one belt central asian grain into chicom granaries, he can play real hardball.

  209. Leigh Lowe

    My Korean daughter-in-law-to-be …

    Norks?
    Or South?

  210. Tel

    Anne #2892203,

    There’s a lot of dodgy selective history in that Myron Fagan lecture. He blames Adam Weishaupt for starting the French Revolution, and probably yes Weishaupt had some indirect influence, but Myron omits Thomas Jefferson who was an enthusiastic supporter of the French Revolution. A lot of American historians dodge around the fact that there were MANY secret societies inside the US … high ranking American revolutionaries were Freemasons. Also the “Sons of Liberty” and later the “Democratic-Republican Societies”.

    Then Myron Fagan blames the Rothschild family for killing Tsar Nicholas II in 1917 but without any proof, not even any reference to follow. You are simply supposed to believe him that it’s true.

    I should also point out that the founding of this “Illuminati” group on 1 May 1776 coincided with the American revolutionary war and Declaration of Independence 4 July 1776 so people get it muddled up with the year marked on the Great Seal. But think about this: many of the Enlightenment ideas of individuality overcoming organized religion and hereditary monarchy fed into BOTH the American revolutionaries and also people like Adam Weishaupt. There’s no possible way that Weishaupt could have been simultaneously founding his own secret society and also manipulating events in America. That kind of global communication simply did not exist in 1776. The whole concept of searching for a central mastermind to explain the spread of new ideas is fundamentally stupid. Doubly so when the idea in question is an idea of people acting on their own behalf. Why would such people be remotely interested in “One World Government”? It makes no sense whatsoever.

    Myron keeps going the same way. Links this to that and then to the other, none of it backed up with any source material, many pieces inconsistent with other pieces. If economics teaches anything it would be that central planning does NOT WORK and has never worked… so what makes you believe it somehow works better when done in secret? By all means be a critical thinker, and that involves being equally critical to ALL theories. If the theory seems to violate some principle that applies elsewhere then the theory is probably wrong unless substantial observable evidence supports it. Myron Fagan provides zero backup for what he asserts. Nothing. He just barges on declaring himself the font of historical wisdom… but why should anyone believe him?

    There’s no logic behind this stuff. You waste everyone’s time posting crap. I’m over it.

  211. Notafan:

    Not sure about that but there was an interesting discussion regarding a certain person known as informant 3838 who is known to someone I know.
    Various theories blown up and agreement reached that Vicpol establishment has the most to lose from any revelations. Oh and that any suffering is self inflcted.

    Yep.
    The most pain comes not from the crime, but from the coverup.

  212. Zatara

    You waste everyone’s time posting crap. I’m over it

    Ding!

    Another angel gets their wings.

  213. Rossini

    calli
    #2892289, posted on December 26, 2018 at 11:35 am
    Not dead yet. I plan to live forever.
    Didn’t realise you were such a loner

  214. egg_

    That Don’t Impress Me Much:

  215. Top Ender

    Did anyone else have a win against lefties in the Christmas culture wars???

    My latest challenge is to ask them if Hillary would have done a better job for the working class than Trump.

    Works quite well. Shuts them up a bit.

  216. struth

    I got to where one bloke started the French Revolution, laughed and stopped it.
    The bloke that started the French Revolution was held up in a Palace, with his shopaholic wife, just like the modern one is, but our modern one has a Nanna for a wife, not a pretty young thing.

  217. Top Ender

    Idiocy at full speed:

    Government’s $800k music gift to prisoners
    NATASHA EMECK

    AS the Territory Government finds itself in the middle of a financial crisis, a department has made a controversial decision to spend close to $800,000 on music vouchers for prisoners.

    The Department of the Attorney-General and Justice spent a whopping $783,669.80 on a tender for the “supply and delivery of music download vouchers” that was awarded to a Sydney-based tech company, NEC Australia Pty Ltd on December 11. The tender will span for a period of five years, which equates to over $13,000 worth of music vouchers for prisoners each month.

    Attorney-General Natasha Fyles defended the spending decision and said the vouchers were an important part of a rehabilitation program.

    “The Music Solution is an award-winning program that makes up part of Corrections’ reintegration framework,” she said.

    According to Corrections there are 250 adult prisoners who have purchased the program’s iPods. Prisoners purchased 11,100 vouchers in 2017 and 7500 in 2018.

  218. struth

    it’s time for torches and Pitchforks.
    The yellow vests won’t work in Australia.
    No one would notice any difference.

  219. Notafan

    There’s no logic behind this stuff. You waste everyone’s time posting crap. I’m over it.

    Thank you for the analysis Tel

    It’s embarrassing that it has been posted so often over the last couple of years by more than one culprit.

  220. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Remember m0nty, “Honour thy father and thy mother”. Do you really wish your parents to die?

    The Fascist hyena hasn’t thought that one through. He just wants “loadsamoney” from the boomers, which he will spend in six weeks, impressing all the other Fascist hyenas of the Left, then sit down and bawl “It wasn’t fair, gimme more.”

  221. max

    South, Leigh, but via Texas.

  222. struth

    The attitude of those young horrors put me off straight away, egg.
    Little miss plain Jane with all her bluffy attitude letting you know you have to be Shania fan to date them.
    I wouldn’t touch her now, let alone when I was thirty years younger.

    Slags the lot.

  223. Infidel Tiger

    Bullshit. Science has now established that ancient peoples of that region had a relatively low sub-Saharan genetic makeup (far lower than modern Egyptians, for example). As low as 8 percent. They probably looked like modern Greeks.

    Exactly. They were Mediterranean people.

  224. Death Giraffe

    Hit by massive depression and anger Christmas arvo.
    Slept 14 hours. Been free from this shit for six months.
    Woke to same. Shit is back with a vengence.
    Xunt just cut me off merging onto freeway. Anger kicked in. I refused to yield.
    Guy then proceeded to follow me flashing his lights to the next exit.
    Pulled up at lights, when he saw I wasn’t a frail old lady or asian teen girl he slunk off.
    Think I need a long run.
    Get some Goddamn control.

  225. John Constantine

    Elle has beat yas to the new thread, near record setting.

  226. Sorry to hear that DG, the black dog is a mongrel.

  227. Notafan

    The whole brown Mediterranean people thing is a farce

    Syrians like Assad are white people, often with blue eyes and here is no real difference between Persians and Greeks while modern Greeks are probably less white than the ancients thanks to the Turks. I think I have read that the Greeks who remained in Turkey up until the Greek genocide were closest in type to the ancients-and we know what they looked like.

    Another example At home Lebanese are white-some decide to be brown when they come to Australia and it is politically expedient.

    (Claim to be descendants of the Phoenicians)

  228. Elle

    Join me on the new thread, Arky.
    Please cheer up. Less cranky and more grateful.
    Feel blessed, you creative genius.

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