Wednesday Forum: December 26, 2018

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  1. bespoke

    On a serious note Elle, I don’t think there is a right way to react to trolls. If left unchallenged they get vindicated and if challenged they tend to bring you down with them. I guess keeping the petty childish insult’s they feed off to a minimum is the best you can do.

  2. Stimpson J. Cat

    Ok I admit the bureaucracy that is now known as Centrelink once gave me $50 and told me to FO. I was a kid just turned 18.
    I haven’t been back.

    This is a shameful tale Bruce.

    Even I have never been unemployed.
    Ever.

    Ten Hail Mary’s and six Our Fathers thank you very much as penance.

  3. Stimpson J. Cat

    I know that you lot struggle with the concept of a self-made man, dragging himself up by his bootstraps out of the dole queues

    Buying his own donuts, eating free lunches with rich fashionista fatcat stock brokers, paying the lesbian neighbors to babysit, living the dream!

  4. Death Giraffe

    You may agree with Thatcher that there is no such thing as society,

    ..
    Coservatives of course belive in society. Otherwise they would not believe in the family as the basis thereof.
    If you would lift your game and engage like this more often you might both shift a little bit and shift others a on here a bit too.
    But it’s always the glib one liner, the trolling and tribalism.
    Damn unhealthy.

  5. Elle

    I agree, bespoke. Was just trying to lighten things up.

  6. bespoke

    I no Elle, but be careful you may anger the resident dominatrix with all that talk about waxwing. 🙂

  7. Stimpson J. Cat

    In May 2015, Admiral Michelle Howard announced a quota of 25 percent of women on all ships.

    Women can’t even stop Men from calling themselves Women, being treated as if they were Women, using the same toilets as Women, and competing against Women.

    How the f$ck are they going to sail a f$cking ship full of Men?

    Weak as p$ss they are.

  8. Pedro the Ignorant

    One for the gold bugs.

    Gold spot price today is A$1812 per ounce, highest spot price for the calendar year. On 28 Dec 2017, the spot price was A$1585. Nice little paper profit for those holding physical gold.

    Silver, on the other hand, has had a miserable year closing today at $21.73 per oz, around where it has been hovering all year. On 28 Dec 2017, silver was $A$22.43.

    The other “hot” metal, lithium, continues its roller coaster ride. Not touching it with a barge pole, despite the gazillions being spent on expansion and exploration. Looks like a glut of Li is imminent.

    Another working year bites the dust and despite the doom and gloom from many, Australia grows wealthier by the day from digging up and flogging our dirt to foreigners.

  9. LOL you obviously don’t realise it but, in your cluelessness, you have proven Thatcher’s point. If you understood the quote in its proper context (and this would require you to read the following sentence, which I realise could be problematic for you), you would see that Thatcher was making this exact point while critiquing the leftist perspective.

    And obviously you would like to ignore the bit about looking after one’s neighbour. For you lot, it’s all about joining Thatcher in destroying the fabric of society, to be replaced by… nothing. If you are poor and get sick, you die. Reginald Fawkner-Bowles isn’t going to help you out, he’s too busy playing croquet outside the conservatory.

    Cameron struggled to make sense of this phrase, and his Big Society was actually pure Thatcherism in practice, despite the name. And it failed, massively. The Tories didn’t usher in a new era of volunteerism.

    The fact that neither Thatcher or Cameron could encourage the upper classes to sign up to their vision of voluntary charity puts a lie to Thatcher’s point. It was just another falsehood to hide the real Tory agenda, which was to slash support for the poor.

  10. Oh come on

    And obviously you would like to ignore the bit about looking after one’s neighbour

    Huh? What bit is that? I know I just made you look witless, but seriously, stop digging. Nothing that Thatcher said in her speech that you so boneheadedly critiqued precludes individuals and families looking after their neighbours. You idiot.

  11. Elle

    Bespoke, lol, you’re a stirrer. I got her back up though, didn’t I. 🙂

  12. Natural Instinct

    It is a time of Christmas road toll reports and police action to achieve less deaths on our roads, and politicians promising they will fix “black-spots”.
    Here is an idea for the festival of truly dangerous ideas:
    = Increase the 100 kph speed limit to 140 kph
    = Increase the 80 to 100, and the 60 to 80, and the 40 to 60.
    And thus recognise that when 35mph was a city speed, and 60mph was a highway speed, that my Dad’s car had four drum brakes, rigid steering column, no air bags and no requirement for seat belts, and skinny 125mm wide tyres, and a shocking suspension system, along with rigid front end that would flatten a water buffalo.
    Now my car today has disc brakes all round, collapsible steering wheel, seven air bags, mandatory seat belts, and 255mm wide tyres on the road, a sloped nose for pedestrians, etc etc
    Hardly anyone drives on gravel highways now a days, sealed roads are mandated wider, and trees are further back from the verges.
    So why not change the cost/return equation?
    And do any other countries have higher speed limits?
    Just idle thoughts putting along at 60kph, with the brakes on, because the beast wants to go faster, and it is double-demerit points time.

  13. Helen

    I see that grub neil prakesh has been stripped of his Australian citizenship.

    Also that interview Arma posted, I think, about the nerdy isis guy who worked in the office and played nintendo or something for three years as an Isis fighter – I have one word to say. Taquiya. He wants to go back to the UK to finish uni. But to live in Syria, great place, great people, he says, how would he know if he spent 3 years in an office playing nintendo so much so he wasnt even aware of the hangings, throwing of buildings, and the beheadings that were going on all round? If this is true, then he knows nothing of the country or the people, because he was never outside, – except when he was on checkpoint duty. And that is harldy likely to endear you to the locals so much they strike up friendships with you.

  14. We are part of the human race, which does exist, and one of the lessons of biology is that ecosystems thrive when they are diverse, and can die out if a monoculture takes over.

    Diverse in what sense? Which biological species besides homo sapiens actually has a culture let alone a monoculture? It’s patenty obvious that you’re trying to tart up your ridiculous theory re ‘diversity’ by means of slapping on some pseudoscientific lipstick.

  15. Oh come on

    In fact, one of the most profound criticisms that can be made of leftist philosophies is the shared leftist ambition to monopolise and centralise ‘helping one’s neoghbour’ – something that is inherently decentralised and anti-monopolistic.

    You ought to be ashamed to bring up “looking after one’s neighbour” as a justification for your leftist perspective. At best, it shows your utter ignorance.

  16. Oh come on

    When a leftist speaks of “helping one’s neighbour” and makes a genuine effort to reconcile this value with their ideology, human carnage inevitably ensues.

  17. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    I see that grub neil prakesh has been stripped of his Australian citizenship.

    Beats me as to why the Govenment still wants to extradite him, though. I’d leave him to the tender mercies of the Turks.

  18. Oh come on

    However, I don’t expect the likes of m0nty to do anything more than pay facile lip service to “helping one’s neighbour” in an effort to deflect attention away from the previous moronic brain-fart he expelled.

    m0nty, go to bed. You’re trashed.

  19. Oh come on

    However, I don’t expect the likes of m0nty to do anything more than pay facile lip service to “helping one’s neighbour” in an effort to deflect attention away from the previous moronic brain-fart he expe1led.

    m0nty, go to bed. You’re trashed.

  20. Steve trickler

    I am thankful to find the face to this voice.

    It started with this.



  21. What Mrs Thatcher said was this: “I think we have gone through a period when too many children and people have been given to understand ‘I have a problem, it is the Government’s job to cope with it’ … and so they are casting their problems upon society, and who is society? There are individual men and women and there are families, and no government can do anything except through people and people look to themselves first. It is our duty to look after ourselves and then after our neighbour … and people have got the entitlements too much in mind without the obligations.” A little further on, she repeated her point, using the exact words, “There is no such thing as society”.

    Emphasis mine.

  22. What I don’t get, OCO, is how you have so much ‘tude when you clearly have NFI what you’re talking about. It’s as if you’re a Dot sock.

  23. mh

    VicPol are very disturbed about the beach bashings carried out by Africans.

    No arrests.

  24. Oh come on

    You are unspeakably stupid, m0nty. It is blatantly obvious that you just looked up that Thatcher quote when I rebuked you for your exquisitely superficial understanding of what you considered it to be. And now you’ve presented it more honestly, you apparently think it contradicts the criticisms I made of you and your shitty ideology. You know nothing. You are so dopey that you don’t even realise you continue to undermine your own position by belatedly providing a more fulsome context to the stupid lefty “no such thing as society” talking point.

    So, yeah. Conservatives consider it their duty to look after themselves and their families first, and their neighbours second. So, looking after their neighbours is a duty second only to looking after their families, says Thatcher. And that’s your big criticism of her perspective? Yep, Go die on that hill, you fucking idiot.

  25. mh

    Easy on the big fella.

    He’s on meds.

  26. Oh come on

    Seriously, m0nty. Does it ever occur to you that you really aren’t all that bright?

  27. mh

    This tweet is a bit confusing:

    Donald J. Trump
    Donald J. Trump
    @realDonaldTrump
    ·
    5m
    We will be forced to close the Southern Border entirely if the Obstructionist Democrats do not give us the money to finish the Wall & also change the ridiculous immigration laws that our Country is saddled with. Hard to believe there was a Congress & President who would approve!

  28. Steve trickler

    If Trump holds a presser on a military base, Jim Acosta and CNN might just……?

  29. zyconoclast

    Former Navy Secretary Ray Mabus in September 2015 pushed the new policy, stating that the Navy SEALs and all other combat jobs in the Navy should be open to women, with no exemptions as part of the Pentagon’s new “gender-neutral” employment policy.

    Secretary of the Navy

    On March 27, 2009, Mabus was nominated by President Obama as Secretary of the Department of the Navy.[17] He was sworn in on May 19, 2009,[18] and held a ceremonial swearing in at Washington Navy Yard on June 18, 2009, where he was re-sworn in by the Secretary of Defense Robert Gates.[19][20][21]

    Ship naming controveries

    In April 2010 a furor arose when it was reported that Mabus made the proposal to name a United States Navy warship the USS John P. Murtha (LPD-26) after the late Pennsylvania Democratic congressman John Murtha. Additional naming controversies occurred due to the naming of auxiliary ship after civil rights activist Cesar Chavez who has described his service in the U.S. Navy as “…the worst two years in my life,”[22][23] and a littoral combat ship after former Arizona Democratic Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords, after she suffered life-threatening wounds in the 2011 mass shooting in her home district of Tucson, Arizona.[24]

    On April 16, 2012, the Navy Secretary returned to Naval tradition of naming certain warships after former U.S. presidents, announcing the next Zumwalt-class destroyer be named the USS Lyndon B. Johnson. Even this action represented somewhat of a change to previous norms, since with the exception of the current attack submarine, USS Jimmy Carter (SSN-23) and the since-decommissioned USS George Washington (SSBN-598) class of Polaris/Poseidon fleet ballistic missile submarines, all recent U.S. warships named for presidents have been aircraft carriers.

    Subsequent ship namings include his January 6, 2016 announcement of his naming of another auxiliary ship after civil rights activist and sitting incumbent Georgia Democratic Congressman John Lewis. Mabus further stated that this particular class of auxiliary ship, of which the John Lewis would be the lead ship, would all be named after civil rights leaders.[25] Mabus followed this action with his July 14, 2016 naming of the subsequent after gay rights icon and former San Francisco Democratic politician the late Harvey Milk.[26]

  30. JC

    NRO rated this one of the top ten movies of the year. It’s a doco. Fuuuuccckkk

    Three Identical Strangers . An unnerving documentary, made by first-time director Tim Wardle, turned out to be the twistiest film of the year, as well as one of the most thought-provoking. In 1980, a young man visiting a college campus discovered he had an identical twin he’d never met. When the two appeared in the newspaper, a third youth called to say he looked exactly like them. It turned out the three men were triplets who had been given up for adoption to separate homes, and as they partied it up and hit the talk-show circuit in 1980s New York City, a back story began to emerge involving a secret scientific experiment. The three boys were guinea pigs in a scheme they didn’t know existed.


    Trailer

  31. JC

    By the way people, don’t vote at all or you’re lib supporter or something.

  32. DrBeauGan

    M0nty, Thatcher’s point was that our duty is to people, live human beings, not to some windy abstraction. I should have thought that obvious and perfectly correct. Can you not see that?

  33. mh

    M0nty, Thatcher’s point was that our duty is to people, live human beings, not to some windy abstraction. I should have thought that obvious and perfectly correct. Can you not see that?

    Kind of the opposite of Mussolini’s views.

  34. mh

    M0nty, Thatcher’s point was that our duty is to people, live human beings, not to some windy abstraction. I should have thought that obvious and perfectly correct. Can you not see that?

    Kind of the opposite of Mu$$olini’s views.

  35. mh

    I could not get Mu$$olini past the censor. Weird!

  36. memoryvault

    Thanks Doomlord.
    I guess it would have helped if I had got my new email address right the first time.

  37. Old School Conservative

    Hmmmm..should I watch Shirley Bassey in concert, or read the delusional ramblings of M0nty the troll?

    This boomer knows the answer.

  38. DrBeauGan

    mh
    #2893755, posted on December 28, 2018 at 11:36 pm
    M0nty, Thatcher’s point was that our duty is to people, live human beings, not to some windy abstraction. I should have thought that obvious and perfectly correct. Can you not see that?

    Kind of the opposite of Mu$$olini’s views.

    Quite so.

  39. Oh come on

    Not one of his best, mh.

  40. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Memoryvault
    #2893750, posted on December 28, 2018 at 11:28 pm

    Test 2.

    Loud and clear, memoryvault.

  41. Oh come on

    Hmmmm..should I watch Shirley Bassey in concert, or read the delusional ramblings of M0nty the troll?

    Look. I’ve done the hard yards so you don’t have to. Thank me later if you want.

  42. You are unspeakably stupid, m0nty.

    This is what I’m talking about, OCO. You launch into a big spray about the proper context of Thatcher’s quote, and then you show that you don’t even know what she said… then when you get called on it you turn the abuse up to eleven. So much ‘tude, so little justification.

  43. mh

    Hmmmm..should I watch Shirley Bassey in concert, or read the delusional ramblings of M0nty the troll?

    Is Shirley Basssey on free to air ? Now?

  44. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    This is what I’m talking about, OCO. You launch into a big spray about the proper context of Thatcher’s quote, and then you show that you don’t even know what she said… then when you get called on it you turn the abuse up to eleven. So much ‘tude, so little justification.

    Go to bed, monty, you are trashed again, and like certain other Lefties on this blog, , you are just way out of your league.

  45. Old School Conservative

    The great SB was on Foxtel 133.
    Just finishing now.
    I think she is singing directly to me.

  46. Death Giraffe

    …and then after our neighbour … and people have got the entitlements too much in mind without the obligations.”

    ..
    Spot on. Liberty quote.
    Without duty, obligations and responsibilities there are no rights or entitlements.
    Where this intersects with your diversity palaver is: you can’t have a society of rights and responsibilities if the first thing a new citizen does is break the law on arrival, with the connivance of a political movement that wants to use said new arrivals to dilute the will of the existing populace, and another party that wants to use the new arrivals to dilute the bargaining power of existing labour.

  47. bespoke

    Top link Black Ball,

    From the comments.

    Getting all this distilled Wokeness in one, huge, end-of-year dollop really drives home the moral poison to which we’ve been exposed, though perhaps not quite inoculated, in dribs and drabs.

  48. Oh come on

    You launch into a big spray about the proper context of Thatcher’s quote, and then you show that you don’t even know what she said

    No you are lying. Anyone can read back and see that you are. It was you who didn’t know what she said. You launched your initial attack based on your mischaracterisation of what Thatcher said. Anyone who cares (don’t blame you if you don’t) can simply read back and confirm that you are lying.

    I make no apologies for abusing you, because you thoroughly deserve the abuse. What’s more, every abusive thing I have said about you is true – and you have demonstrated it to be true over the course of this exchange.

    So much ‘tude, so little justification.

    Seriously? This is the second time you’ve resorted to this “‘tude” rubbish in response to me. It’s meaningless. I have completely debunked the nonsense you tried to fly here. Yes, I accurately described you as precisely what you are. I also provided ample “justification” that opposed your half-witted, embarrassingly undergraduate assertions. Again, anyone who wants to confirm that I am telling the truth can simply read back a few comments.

    You are way out of your depth, m0nty.

  49. Oh come on

    And here’s the only compliment you will get from me today, m0nts. I do think you are smart enough to realise you are way out of your depth here.

    Unfortunately, you are stupid enough to believe your position is retrievable. Keep trying, though.

  50. I do think you are smart enough to realise you are way out of your depth here.

    The feeling is not mutual.

  51. Oh come on

    Yep, nighty night m0nts.

  52. DrBeauGan

    You are way out of your depth, m0nty.

    Poor, poor m0nts.

    He can’t handle abstractions. He has been conned, and at some level suspects it, but can’t quite see how it was done. M0nty, when the leader tells you that you have a duty to the state or to society, he is relying on you to think of it as being kind to real people. What he really means is that you have to do what his bureaucrats tell you.

  53. Our detente this evening, OCO, can be summed up with the following exchange:

    you: *some stuff about respecting the full context of Thatcher’s quote*

    me: “And obviously you would like to ignore the bit about looking after one’s neighbour…”

    you: “Huh? What bit is that?”

    me: *quotes exact bit about looking after one’s neighbour*

    you: oh yeah, well your mum wears army boots! [paraphrased]

  54. bespoke

    m0nty’s all about tactics OCO.

    1/ Seed hostile reaction with statements like “kill boomers”.
    2/ avoid/ divert.
    4/switch gears to saint m0nty
    5/claim victim hood
    6/repeat.

  55. 1/ Seed hostile reaction with statements like “kill boomers”.

    I specified peaceful deaths! Like, in their sleep. Or quietly slumped over their abaci and slide rules as they calculate their franking credits. Or sitting in their most comfortable chair watching Poirot. Or in the back row of the government benches.

    But not the way Arky’s going to go. That looks painful.

  56. Old School Conservative

    From the thoughts of Chairman M0nts:

    ….with references to Catallaxy Files, Professor Bunyip, and other members of the hive of scum and villainy that is the wingnut blog brigade

    So while you challenge his simplistic brain, always remember he considers all Cats scum and wingnuts.

    His contributions are not meant to be intelligent. He is just stirring the Right, even when he has no material. He only comes to The Cat because his primary enemy, The Australian, won’t accept his pitiful missives.

  57. Death Giraffe

    I’ll tells ya a story.
    I taught a brother and a sister.
    Lovely kids. Polite. Bit thick, but hard working. Muslim, by the way.
    When I left teaching they both made the effort to say how they appreciated my help.
    The boy won some award at school. Academic.
    There is this xunt of a thing that was on all the commitees for years to make her own life easy, Barely taught. Vocal Labor person. Very vocal.
    Well, as this kid was getting his award she was virtually wetting herself in joy. Almost fist pumping the air.
    You just know, it isn’t about the kid at that point.
    It is about the fact that the kid is “diverse”.
    You see, they don’t primarily see the person. They see the weapon against their imaginary ideological enemies. A: “Well, won’t this stick it up the tories and bigots” thing.
    It is sick.
    It is sickening to use people in that way.
    It is even sicker because the enemy they imagine being upset by some diversity kid doing well is a complete fabrication of their own sick brain.
    Literally no one would begrudge that young lad his recognition.
    But in their mind they are striking a blow against the enemy.
    Idiotic.

  58. Old School Conservative

    m0nty
    #2893789, posted on December 29, 2018 at 12:20 am
    1/ Seed hostile reaction with statements like “kill boomers”.

    I specified peaceful deaths! Like, in their sleep.

    Only on your second attempt, liar.
    Your first threat was “Die boomers, die!”

  59. OSC, if you don’t recognise a Star Wars reference, I can’t help you.

  60. Oh come on

    m0nty
    #2893784, posted on December 29, 2018 at 12:13 am

    If that is genuinely how you view this evening’s exchange, then I retract the assumptions I extended to you regarding your meagre intelligence. Clearly I was wrong and you are a complete dolt.

    Again, anyone who wishes to compare m0nty’s characterisation of our exchange with what actually took place can simply read up a bit.

  61. Old School Conservative

    M0nty, your passive/aggressive attack strategy might fool some but not many.
    You are like the bloke who talks about backpack bombs in the airport frisking queue and then says “It was only a joke” while being frogmarched to the room of tears.

  62. Oh come on

    sdfc is feeling nihilistic tonight.

  63. Don’t be like that sdfc. Stoushes are better than spacechooking, at least. Would you rather read more thousand-word screeds in praise of casting decisions of of BBC series?

  64. sdfc

    It was a dull argument to start with and doesn’t appear to have got any better.

  65. Regale us then, sdfc, with your bon mots.

  66. sdfc

    The only thing worth talking about is how well Mitch March bowled on day one.

  67. Memoryvault

    Does anyone give a shit?

    No.
    But you shouldn’t interrupt children playing.

  68. Oh come on

    By the by, m0nts:

    Our detente this evening

    This word doesn’t mean what you think it means.

    I know you’ll look it up and then try to claim you were being ironic. Nah, not buying that. Don’t even try it.

  69. Old School Conservative

    sdfc
    #2893798, posted on December 29, 2018 at 12:35 am
    Does anyone give a shit?

    Good point.
    I usually scroll past M0nty but today, yes I do give a shit.
    I give a shit about “death threat jokes” against boomers. (Yes, I’m one)
    I give a shit about an unintelligent boilerplate regurgitations lobbing onto this web site as part of a structured attack on the scum and wing nuts (his words) who post here.

    Yes, I do give a shit.
    As Monty has said about himself, “A large part of my motivation for doing what I do is anger.”
    He should expect a little return of serve.

  70. max

    But in their mind they are striking a blow against the enemy.
    Idiotic.

    Yep,the enemy is those oppressive white people. This is how white lefties think. It’s f#@%ing insane.

  71. Steve trickler

    There is a little bit of Rorschach in all of us.



  72. egg_

    Don’t be like that sdfc. Stoushes are better than spacechooking, at least. Would you rather read more thousand-word screeds in praise of casting decisions of of BBC series?

    Shut up, little man!

  73. egg_

    “A large part of my motivation for doing what I do is anger.”

    Perhaps he should work on that, instead.

  74. egg_

    Now to matters of more import.

    This will ruin Australia.” Karl Stefanovic weighs in on Bunnings’ sausage announcement.

    M0nster is the hard working “accountant” at the sausage sizzle.
    Lame.

  75. Top Ender

    “Silly season” should be re-named the Stupid Season:

    This is what happens when 60 forensic psychics get together for a conference as AMELIA SAW reports

    GROUPS of women are walking around the conference room in pairs and trios, some are holding hands, others have their eyes half closed in deep concentration. They’re moving as if they’re being pulled by a great, unseen force.

    The group of roughly 60 adults — mostly women and a handful of men

    — are all students at a three-day forensic mediumship convention hosted by international celebrity psychic Lisa Williams in Wollongong, NSW … and this is serious business.

    They’ve each paid hundreds of dollars to be taught by Williams, who has cult-like status in the mediumship world after hosting US TV show Lisa Williams: Life Among the Dead, and by the end of the weekend, the mediums — or aspiring mediums — will have well-honed skills as psychic detectives.

    They’ll work on real life cases such as the mysterious 2011 death of 20-year-old Morgan Jennifer Ingram from Colorado, US.

    Participants will also investigate the recent murder of 32-year-old Nicole Cartwright, whose body was found near a children’s playground on Sydney’s North Shore in October, and they will channel Australian serial killer Archibald ‘Mad Dog’ McCafferty, who murdered four people in 1973.

    But right now, they’ve been told to use their intuition to find objects Williams’ has hidden around the room.

    None of them could find anything. One of them went into a “full trance” later while trying to solve a murder. And so on….

    NT News.

  76. Boambee John

    m0nty at 2112

    I know that you lot struggle with the concept of a self-made man, dragging himself up by his bootstraps out of the dole queues and into the middle class through capitalist wealth creation, also being a lefty like me. It confounds your strong priors. People like me exist, nonetheless.

    m0nty again demonstrates his complete and total ignorance of the political philosophy he espouses.

  77. Helen

    60 forensic psychics get together f

    Reminds me of the water diving test put on by the skeptics. I think there was a tennis court size block with full water bottles buried at some of the line junctions. The other junctions just had refilled holes.

    The water diviners wer invited to find the water bottles.

    The result was worse than chance. But the Irish in me says, there might still be some people who have the gift. They were just not there on the day.

  78. Whalehunt fun

    the modern world with all its complex delights, 

    That would be the world built by ghe boomers with their sweat blood and tears to which subsequent generations have no right.

  79. Whalehunt fun

    mediums you say. Where are all the top quartiles then? At another conference somewhere laughing tigether about the averages clustered in the gong?

  80. Memoryvault

    The quick brown fox jumped over the lazy dog.

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