Open Forum: December 29, 2018

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  1. egg_

    What will they say about the importation of hundreds of thousands of Indians and Chinese for the sake of a 0.5% boost in gross GDP?

    We’ll all have deep fried rissoles – or is that CAGW?

  2. egg_

    Victoria and Queensland now looking to ban ALL plastic bags.

    Is Van Badass a plastic bag or a string bag?

  3. Tel

    Victoria and Queensland now looking to ban ALL plastic bags.

    The “green” supermarket bags made from Tyvek are in fact plastic. Not sure if we are supposed to notice that, but all the people told to buy up and use those bag are going to be way shitty if they are now forced to hand them back.

  4. John Constantine

    https://www.producer.com/2018/12/robot-raised-lettuce/

    In australia of course, bankrupt shire councils can centrally plan for subsidised windfarms to charge up subsidised lithium battery farms to power refugee grown lettuce hothouses in voteherd dispersal areas in bankrupt and desertified rural host communities.

    Or:

    “The entire facility is automated to the point where no human hands touch the plants until harvest and packaging for shipping. That’s how such a large operation can function with one head grower, two assistant growers and about 50 other employees.”

  5. Myrddin Seren

    Memoryvault

    In three or four years time ‘global warming” will be the least of our problems.
    And I very much doubt you will find anybody prepared to admit they were a “climate scientist”.

    Are you talking the quiet Sun cooling here – or something else ?

    Three or four years is a heck of a short lead time for the IPCC juggernaut to unwind ?

  6. egg_

    Three or four years is a heck of a short lead time for the IPCC juggernaut to unwind ?

    I too look forward to our reptilian overlords in Canberra driven in electric ComCars.

  7. C.L.

    BONUS

    Year highlights edition has some classics.
    😁😁😁😁😁😁

    My two favourites:
    1. The Democrats – perfectly encapsulated.
    2. Arguably, the senator of the year.

  8. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Don’t know if it’s mentioned upthread, just called in, but on Sinclair’s Big Thread of Malcolm, the news is that Turnbull Junior has just tweeted some obnoxious slander about Peta Credlin and Abbott.

    Hairy says Peta should sue.

    Apparently Mal Jr has also had a go somewhere in a similar vein about Janet Albrechtsen.
    What a nasty piece of work he is.

  9. C.L.

    Let’s see the Tweets, Liz.

  10. thefrollickingmole

    Old and busted: gerbil worming.
    New and hot: Slowing winds….

    Weatherwatch: global wind speeds weakening over land
    Studies show slowdown of up to 25%, while speeds over oceans are unaffected or faster

    Whatever the cause, the slowdown is worrying. Slower winds can affect plant growth and also make it more difficult for air pollution in big cities to dissipate. Wind turbines may also be affected but it is not clear whether this “stilling” is confined to surface winds or whether it reaches up to turbine height.

  11. Bruce of Newcastle

    Victoria and Queensland now looking to ban ALL plastic bags.

    I think I’ll just put this here for Victoria and Queensland politicians.

    Delingpole: Greenpeace’s Ocean Plastic Pollution Scare – the Biggest Lie of 2018 (31 Dec)

    The scare even generated its own word of the year – ‘single-use’, which refers to plastic items (picnic cutlery, straws, ear buds, etc) designed by the heartless capitalist system to be used just once.

    But the plastic pollution scare was and is a massive con trick. It’s a fabricated crisis, heavily promoted by environmental charities – most especially by Greenpeace – which depend on scare narratives to fill their coffers.

    Plastic pollution in the oceans is certainly a matter of concern. But the way the problem has been presented in the mainstream media is mostly #fakenews. Most of the legislation drawn up to combat it is economically damaging, intrusive and unnecessary. Rather than help the environment, it has distracted public attention from more pressing environmental causes, while hurting business, scaring children (and gullible grown ups), distorting science and enriching and empowering green hucksters.

    How do we know this? Because it’s what the science and the evidence tell us.

    Greenpeace – the primary source of this scare – have sold us one very expensive, big fat lie. And now, in possibly the most important environmental report published in 2018, they have been exposed for the snake-oil salesmen they are.

    You can read the full report here at the Heartland Institute.

    You might even think that if Greenpeace is lying about plastic pollution they just might also be lying about global warming too. How amazing would that be?

  12. Memoryvault

    Three or four years is a heck of a short lead time for the IPCC juggernaut to unwind ?

    With a couple of billion people starving to death in the NH, what makes you think there will be an IPCC? Or that anybody will be admitting to ever having had anything to do with it?

    Besides, the IPCC and the whole “climate science” scam has now served its purpose. Those actually running the show don’t give a stuff how it pans out for the minions who are left to bear the brunt of an angry, starving, freezing crowd.

  13. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    what’s in store for white people

  14. stackja

    BON – Greenpeace lying? I am shocked!

  15. areff

    Motor vehicle accident insurance premiums will rise?

    Surf lifesavers busier too.

  16. What I learned at work this year

    By Bill Gates
    December 29, 2018

    Global emissions of greenhouse gases went up in 2018. For me, that just reinforces the fact that the only way to prevent the worst climate-change scenarios is to get some breakthroughs in clean energy.

    Some people think we have all the tools we need, and that driving down the cost of renewables like solar and wind solves the problem. I am glad to see solar and wind getting cheaper and we should be deploying them wherever it makes sense.

    But solar and wind are intermittent sources of energy, and we are unlikely to have super-cheap batteries anytime soon that would allow us to store sufficient energy for when the sun isn’t shining or the wind isn’t blowing. Besides, electricity accounts for only 25% of all emissions. We need to solve the other 75% too.

    This year Breakthrough Energy Ventures, the clean-energy investment fund I’m involved with, announced the first companies we’re putting money into. You can see the list at http://www.b-t.energy/ventures/our-investment-portfolio/. We are looking at all the major drivers of climate change. The companies we chose are run by brilliant people and show a lot of promise for taking innovative clean-energy ideas out of the lab and getting them to market.

    Next year I will speak out more about how the U.S. needs to regain its leading role in nuclear power research. (This is unrelated to my work with the foundation.)

    Nuclear is ideal for dealing with climate change, because it is the only carbon-free, scalable energy source that’s available 24 hours a day. The problems with today’s reactors, such as the risk of accidents, can be solved through innovation.

    The United States is uniquely suited to create these advances with its world-class scientists, entrepreneurs, and investment capital.

    Unfortunately, America is no longer the global leader on nuclear energy that it was 50 years ago. To regain this position, it will need to commit new funding, update regulations, and show investors that it’s serious.

    There are several promising ideas in advanced nuclear that should be explored if we get over these obstacles. TerraPower, the company I started 10 years ago, uses an approach called a traveling wave reactor that is safe, prevents proliferation, and produces very little waste. We had hoped to build a pilot project in China, but recent policy changes here in the U.S. have made that unlikely. We may be able to build it in the United States if the funding and regulatory changes that I mentioned earlier happen.

    The world needs to be working on lots of solutions to stop climate change. Advanced nuclear is one, and I hope to persuade U.S. leaders to get into the game.

  17. Bruce of Newcastle

    If he keeps saying stuff like that Bill Gates is going to be thrown into a volcano by the Left, like Bjorn Lomborg.

  18. JC

    MS

    The faulthead is the grand mufti of the prediction making industry. When he says there will be billions of people starving in the NH, you should listen to him.

  19. Memoryvault

    If he keeps saying stuff like that Bill Gates is going to be thrown into a volcano by the Left, like Bjorn Lomborg.

    You seem to think people like Gates actually care, Bruce.

    They don’t.

  20. JC

    C.L.
    #2896300, posted on January 1, 2019 at 2:29 pm

    Let’s see the Tweets, Liz.

    I looked through the little prick’s twitter page going back to 24 Dec. I couldn’t see anything there.

  21. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    I am not on Twitter, so I don’t have access. I am simply reporting what was on another Catallaxy comment thread, seemed to have a direct quote of the Tweet, and Cassie has already asked there that someone take a screen shot of it. Sounds like it has been removed. Not surprised if it was real. Very defamatory.

  22. Steve trickler

    Great stuff. The bloke in the blue chequered jacket ? Good on him.

    You protest on private land, suffer the consequences.



  23. Woolfe

    Piers Morgan

    Verified account

    @piersmorgan
    Following
    Following @piersmorgan

    More
    Piers Morgan Retweeted Sky News Australia
    Just watched this. Can we make this Aussie newsreader our Prime Minister with immediate effect?

    https://twitter.com/SkyNewsAust/status/1072392848740364289

  24. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Seems it was a re-Tweet:

    Ros
    #2895407, posted on December 31, 2018 at 10:54 am
    Turnbull junior makes his father look nice. Today he retweets this,
    “Abbott allegedly (married) knocks up Credlin”
    What sort of bastard puts that out about a woman who has had to go through ivf and have it fail.
    A very unpleasant family.

  25. Bruce of Newcastle

    You seem to think people like Gates actually care, Bruce.
    They don’t.

    MV – If Gates really didn’t care he’d say globule worming is a scam.
    Which it is.
    But then not even his money would get him and Melinda invites to Martha’s Vineyard parties.

  26. Nick

    Erm, if it’s defamatory and possibly dangerous to Sinc, should it be the tweeted here?

  27. egg_

    Weatherwatch: global wind speeds weakening over land

    Certainly has the stench of desperation about it.

  28. calli

    Thanks for the extra edition, Pete m.

    Favourite

    Runner up

    🙂

  29. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    If you are going to believe the CO2 hypothesis, and there are not particularly good reasons so far why you should, then this, from Bill Gates in extract above, is obviously the serious way to look at energy emissions:

    Nuclear is ideal for dealing with climate change, because it is the only carbon-free, scalable energy source that’s available 24 hours a day. The problems with today’s reactors, such as the risk of accidents, can be solved through innovation.</blockquote

    Electric cars for short-term short-drive trips would also become more feasible with this base load power.

    Coal exports would be down, although the current Chinese and other investment in 'clean coal' would still chugg along nicely on good black Ozzie coal, but we should jack up our uranium prices and control its availability. A few (let's say six) good 'interim' coal-fired power stations running here at home on our black coal would always be a good idea anyway. Let the greenies chose: coal, or nuclear? Nothing else cuts the mustard, tree huggers. Replacement costs alone on wind and solar make them unviable. 🙂

  30. Confused Old Misfit

    Weatherwatch: global wind speeds weakening over land

    That’s what I was told would happen with all these windmills going up!
    By a high school physics teacher.

  31. stackja

    COM – Too many windmills changing Earth spin?

  32. Memoryvault

    MV – If Gates really didn’t care he’d say globule worming is a scam.

    The likes of Gates don’t care Bruce, because they know what’s coming. And have done for a while.
    However, it was necessary to keep the minions heading in the wrong direction until it was too late for them to do anything much to alter the outcome.

    A few billion people dying was never simply a consequence of something else.
    It was the whole idea right from the very start.
    “They” have been attempting to cull the herd since the agrarian revolution.

  33. Confused Old Misfit

    Too many windmills changing Earth spin?

    By Jove!
    You may be on to something there!

  34. candy

    Alex Turnbull is mixing with the lowest of the low, the Abbott haters on the Internet who says the most atrocious things. Goes to show how much the Turnbull family hate TA.

    You can imagine their family dinners and communications about how to get TA out of Warringah seat, slur Peta Credlin and anyone associated with TA. I think they would like to see him dead really and dance on his grave. It’s pretty severe hate they have going.

  35. Sinclair Davidson

    New open forum.

  36. stackja

    Times Square rain for NYE.

  37. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    oops. Blockquote fail. Stuff on electric cars etc is my observation on Gate’s statement.

  38. Steve trickler

    These protesters should be worrying about Mo and Allen.



  39. Zatara

    Nuclear is ideal for dealing with climate change, because it is the only carbon-free, scalable energy source that’s available 24 hours a day. The problems with today’s reactors, such as the risk of accidents, can be solved through innovation.

    Properly designed, built and operated nuclear plants have very little impact on the environment. The US Navy for example has been operating nuclear reactors to drive their aircraft carriers and submarines since the 1950s without a single ‘accident.’

    Hundreds of thousands of US sailors have been living within spitting distance of those reactors for 66 years now and none have sired 3 headed progeny.

  40. C.L.

    Ros
    #2895407, posted on December 31, 2018 at 10:54 am
    Turnbull junior makes his father look nice. Today he retweets this,
    “Abbott allegedly (married) knocks up Credlin”
    What sort of bastard puts that out about a woman who has had to go through ivf and have it fail.
    A very unpleasant family

    It seems it was auspol who originally Tweeted it.
    Rita Panahi confirms Alex Turnbull liked it so much he re-Tweeted:

    https://twitter.com/johnsmi17302022/status/1079537412370395136

  41. Whalehunt Fun

    New Horizon now past the rock it was looking at.

  42. Whalehunt Fun

    Despite my lack of enthusiasm for Abbott, to see him restored to PM would soooo wound the disgusting filth known as the Turnbull family, that I support it wholeheartedly.Politics should always be about forcing your enemies to despair and mental breakdown.

  43. rickw

    Victoria and Queensland now looking to ban ALL plastic bags.

    Welcome to the most stupid country on earth!

  44. Mick Gold Coast QLD

    From C.L. at 11:48 am:

    “I see yet another policeman has been run over while walking in the road at night.
    If he was a civilian, police would say it’s a “timely reminder” not to walk in the road at night.
    Instead he is a hero Keeping Us Safe. Incidentally, the report I read regarding this unfortunate incident says 6000 breath tests were administered in South Australia yesterday for 45 positive readings. That’s 5955 innocent citizens detained by the police for no reason.”

    Oh do tell your story walking.

    In an unfortunate disturbance to your narrative just the night before in Adelaide an unheroic pedestrian was killed by a bloke driving four times over the limit , who really should have been shot and left to rot in the roadside ditch.

    There were 1,200 or so road traffic deaths nationally each year for the past four years, 30% involving alcohol, one of the worst records among high income countries for drink driving fatalities. Road traffic crashes account for about two thirds of all hospitalised injury not resulting in death. Only 45% of the deaths are drivers – largely young blokes late on a weekend night.

    That is a whole lot of public money which could be better spent on something other than burying or reviving drongos; and many lives disturbed, in a most unfortunate manner, through no fault of their own. The dopey cops can keep ’em waiting at the RBT stops as long as they like for my money.

  45. candy

    Re-tweeting is being supportive of the tweet in that context. The Turnbulls undoubtedly hate TA. They make no secret. Peta Credlin is just a kind of collateral damage. It’s a kind of lefty way of doing things, really.

  46. C.L.

    In an unfortunate disturbance to your narrative just the night before in Adelaide an unheroic pedestrian was killed by a bloke driving four times over the limit …

    There were 1,200 or so road traffic deaths nationally each year for the past four years …

    So what?
    How does that justify police detaining citizens for no reason?

  47. struth

    Your statistics are pathetic and easily challenged Mick.
    Please spare us.
    I get what you are saying but a simplistic view of statistics and a typical trick of implying one thing is another is pathetic.

  48. Black Ball

    Channel 7 weather reporter obviously has aircon

  49. zyconoclast

    Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)
    #2896156, posted on January 1, 2019 at 11:26 am
    its an old speech but worth repeating

    For entertainment purposes only.
    Farage is a fraud.

  50. egg:

    Weatherwatch: global wind speeds weakening over land

    I called this one about a month ago. Global Stilling is the term, and it means the windmills of power won’t turn ever again…

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