Tuesday Forum: January 1, 2019

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  1. Eyrie

    OTOH Watch out for the Moon rocks! (Apollo 18 movie)

  2. Tailgunner

    Imagine for a second not being able to talk about banks on an Economics Blog.

    Hehe

  3. Tailgunner

    Page podium!
    Oh yeah.

  4. Tailgunner

    I’m going to go down to StKilda on Saturday.
    Will live blog from the scene.
    Monty! Get in here. It’s not quite Rinkeby, but close enough.

  5. Myrddin Seren

    Nazi bases and Transformers here we come!!!

    They all mocked him when The Donald said we needed #SpaceForce.

    But no – you all thought the only illegal Aliens he was talking about came sploshing across the Rio Grande.

  6. Tailgunner

    Arky-bring your camera.
    And infantry skills please.

  7. Tailgunner

    Nazi bases and Transformers here we come!!

    The guards will deal with the probe, with the quickness.

  8. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Tailgunner, back thread you mentioned a trip to Crete with a Greek friend this year. Agios Nikolaos is a must, for the views from the headland over the bay on the road out are something to behold (first recommended to us by Calli). Going down south to Agia Galini is worthwhile, as it is less frequented and there are some lovely little hotels there very much in the old style; you will see more of traditional Crete down that way. Everyone goes north end to Chania, which is also nice, but much more crowded. We were there in September and it was still very busy. Whatever you do, don’t miss the National Archaeological Museum of Crete (even if museums are not your thing, this one has a superb Minoan collection, beautiful beyond belief). The Mediterranean in tourist spots is crowded everywhere much of the time these days. The less frequented Greek islands are still lovely – Tinos is rather special, especially the hill towns in the midlands. We also thought a trip to the Peloponnese by road very worthwhile – for the original township of the Olympic games, called Olympia, where the ruins show the scale of the thing, and for the ancient site of Mycenae and its remarkable Lion Gate. Stand under it and tremble at what the power of thirteen hundred years of history before Christ can do for you.

  9. Tailgunner

    How much you reckon JC?
    6m francs?

  10. Tailgunner

    Thanks Lizzie 🙂
    Screenshotted

  11. Stimpson J. Cat

    Hehe

    Don’t laugh Gunner.
    I know it sounds like science fiction but it could happen.

  12. Top Ender

    You chaps just keep up your banter about Navy people.

    You know, if you become persistent, we will not help when needed.

    Who has unlimited hot water just off the beach for smelly pongo types then?

    Plus hot bunking!

  13. Roger

    It is very helpful to realise that when it comes to religious beliefs there are many possible interpretations of what certain texts or beliefs really relate to that is Holy.

    Er, no…at least in regard to the Bible. While there may be many possible interpretations of certain texts only one will be valid – that which the author intended by his words. Once the genre of the text is determined – protology, history, prophecy, psalmody, gospel, epistle, apocalyptic – the words and sentences can be exegeted accordingly, taking account of any idioms, metaphors, similes, etc.. Vast seas of ink have been exhausted by H*brew & Christian scholars over the centuries collating etymological and historical knowledge so that the Bible could be interpreted as accurately as possible in accordance with the original authorial intention. This is because the Bible is regarded by all true believers – Catholic, Protestant, Orthodox – as an inspired divine-human text. When Biblical scholars differ radically over the meaning of a passage, it is usually their philosophical presuppositions rather that the text that is the cause.

  14. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Tailgunner, if bare breasts can entice you, go to the Crete museum above, as it also has two original Snake Goddess figurines, who have boozies very large, round and pointy, and extremely in-your-face bared. Her dress is very interesting too. Once you are over the shock of the uncovered couture, you can also appreciate its structure and fabrics in some models they have of various costumes.

  15. JC

    Gunner

    The first one I posted, on the Italian side of the country, sitting on the lake is 28 big dollars. I reckon the last one would be about 15ish because it doesn’t seem to be near a lake. The place is freaking gorgeous. I reckon the frog and the Italian cantons is where you want to live. The kraut side, is nice too, but just not up there. Geneva is just beautiful.

  16. JC

    The one thing the Frogs did right and Macron’s ditched it. FMD

    The French government sought on Wednesday to downplay fears that workers will be left out of pocket as the country transitions to a pay-as-you-earn tax system that could fan the flames of a revolt over spending power.

    After years of delays, France on January 1 ditched a system whereby residents file income tax returns based on the previous year’s earnings, replacing it with a system where the state deducts the taxes directly from people’s salaries or pensions each month.

    Opinion polls show the French broadly supporting the change but the shift presents risks for President Emmanuel Macron, not least that workers may feel poorer when they receive their new net pay — even if they will no longer have to save up to pay their taxes three times a year.

    Deducting tax from income should be illegal. The taxpayer should write the cheque to the fuckers.

  17. None

    None, was Christ dignified on the Cross? Was Mary dignified witnessing Christ’s suffering? Was St Stephen dignified in front of his accusers and murderers? And so on. I think you might now comprehend what CL meant above.

    C.L. said nothing is more dignified than suffering. Being crucified naked while being mocked is not dignified; it was a cruel punishment designed to torture and shame and humiliate the victims. There is nothing dignified about it. That Christ took on such an undignified death was for our sakes in the hope to save us from stupidities like “nothing is more dignified than suffering” or that puke worthy “suffering is love”. By that stupid reasoning, I should crucify everyone let loose the bubonic plague virus just to let you know how much I love you all. What fuckwittery.

  18. Stimpson J. Cat

    as the country transitions to a pay-as-you-earn tax system

    Are we allowed to talk about Macron?
    I’ve forgotten.

  19. egg_

    You stood by…

    Blaming the voters?
    You erected “Nimbin windchimes” in New England, you disingenuous crunt, Beetrooter!

  20. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    When Biblical scholars differ radically over the meaning of a passage, it is usually their philosophical presuppositions rather that the text that is the cause.

    Yes, well that’s what I mean, Roger. There is a level of disagreement. Once you get scholarship you do not just get one single exegesis, but variability. Everyone then believes the version that suits their presuppositions or their linguistic understandings. They will then hold all other presuppositions and linguistics to be misplaced. As in linguistics, a body of accepted interpretations is slowly built up to approach something like ‘truth’ or ‘original meaning’. Not written in stone, though, and subject to critique, rejection of some applications, and new developments.

    That, at least, is what it seems like to an outsider. I agree that there are many points of scholarly agreement in the huge and extensive biblical scholarship that has taken place over centuries and that new work can ‘firm up’ the scholarship surrounding interpretations. New work can also pour doubt on the previous scholarship and meanings. Not always a bad thing, either. Allows for some diversity of thought and opinion in matters religious; a Protestant should perhaps know that best of all.

    It is difficult to achieve total uniformity when all the branches and sects of a religion seek ‘the truth’ of it. 🙂

  21. Memoryvault

    A long time ago Mrs MV’s brother Rod bought the local fish and chip shop from a lovely Dutch couple – Jesus and Mary Christ.

    Yes they were married.

  22. Stimpson J. Cat

    C.L. said nothing is more dignified than suffering.

    By this logic you are all very dignified people indeed for tolerating my presence.
    Well done!

  23. JC

    We’ve suffered enough, Stimson.

  24. Dr Fred Lenin

    The elites have the job in front of them trying to cover up the opal tower fiasco ,/I am told more cracks have appeared since Christmas ,looks like the structure my have been weakened by the initial cracking . Imagine trying to sell or rent one ? Another thing people are going to shy away from buying or renting tower apartments ,I expect prices will drop and house prices rise as people shift attention to them as an alternstive. If I owned a tower apartment Id be checking for cracks etc .

  25. Stimpson J. Cat

    We’ve suffered enough, Stimson.

    Suffering is Love JC.

  26. egg_

    The AUD has crashed to US68.5c?? Really? WTF!!

    It’s still way overvalued for a country whose real economy is in recession and its only growth is coming from ballooning state and federal government spending.

    About $US0.50 should do it.

    +1

    LMFAO Ponzi turds.

  27. egg_

    The elites have the job in front of them trying to cover up the opal tower fiasco ,/I am told more cracks have appeared since Christmas

    More cracks than the Chinese Wall?

  28. None

    Roger

    #2897785, posted on January 3, 2019 at 4:40 pm

    not quite Rodger. It may well be the task of modern exergy is to determine what a text meant in it original historical setting but you still have to then argue what significance that meaning may have in today’s world. For example why should some letter by Paul to some unknown congregation somewhere in the ancient Mediterranean about some sort of dispute among them have any relevance to a 21st century Australian?

    Moreover if you look at the way for example Jesus (as remembered by the evangelists) and Paul interpreted scripture namely the LXX ( very rarely the Hebrew bible) they very rarely simply considered the historical sense of the text but used a variety of exegetical methods and hermeneutical principles many of which were learnt from prevailing greco-roman school traditions and/or Hebrew exegetical traditions. This way of interpreting scripture has more in common with the early church Fathers and virtually nothing in common with modern critical biblical scholarship.

  29. None

    Not quite Roger. It may well be the task of modern exegets …

  30. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    I think the ‘dignity’ must surely come from why it was done rather than what was done. The issue is about sacrifice and martyrdom in the face of appalling brutalities and tortures. There is nothing dignified about those, not for the humans painfully undergoing them nor the humans delivering those brutalities. To suffer and feel pain is a condition of our animal bodies; to know of death and our own death is a condition of our human minds, our empathy and imagination. Martyrdom offers a purpose for it all, our existence in a body, and a point of identification for something beyond our human bodily pain. Martyrdom offers an example of endurance, of conquering the ‘baseness’ of the body, and of reward via Grace at the end.

    Sinfulness in ‘The Fall’ offers a reason for our bodily entrapment.
    Weren’t the Cathars dualist in that way, taking it to extremes?

    Apologies to any theologians whom I may upset; I am working from my base not yours, and yours is no doubt far more refined.

  31. Elle

    Stay in the Jerusalem Old Town if you can, Elle. There is nothing like it.
    The big five stars are outside it, and you can usually walk in, but to live in it is special.

    We greatly enjoyed the atmosphere of Sephardic House, a stone’s throw from The Wall.

    Thanks, Lizzie. It’s my first trip. I have a relative in Israel. After my grandparents passed away we lost contact. Have located him. Super excited.

    Will let you know how it goes (off-line). 🙂

  32. None

    Roger

    #2897785, posted on January 3, 2019 at 4:40 pm

    Not quite Roger. It may well be the task of modern exegetes to determine what a text meant in it original historical setting (Sitz im Leben) but you still have to then argue what significance that meaning may have in today’s world. For example why should some letter by Paul to some unknown congregation somewhere in the ancient Mediterranean about some sort of dispute among them have any relevance to a 21st century Australian?

    Moreover if you look at the way for example Jesus (as remembered by the evangelists) and Paul interpreted scripture, namely the Septuagint ( very rarely the H3brew bible), they very rarely simply considered the historical sense of the text but used a variety of exegetical methods and hermeneutical principles many of which were learnt from prevailing greco-roman school traditions and/or H3brew exegetical traditions. This way of interpreting scripture has more in common with the early church Fathers and virtually nothing in common with modern critical biblical scholarship.

  33. Infidel Tiger

    The elites have the job in front of them trying to cover up the opal tower fiasco ,/I am told more cracks have appeared since Christmas

    Can’t wait until they have to demolish it.

  34. stackja

    30 September 1948 – 18th Parliament · 2nd Session

    Mr CHIFLEY:
    – I assure honorable members – and not for the purpose of stifling criticism – that I have received advice and taken such action as is necessary to remove any cause for concern. If there is the slightest evidence that more drastic measures should be taken to safeguard our security, that more competent or highly trained officers should be engaged on security, or that action should be taken of a kind different from that taken hitherto, the Government will not hesitate. In conclusion, I say to honorable members opposite that I believe that supporters of the Government have just as much love for their country, and are just as anxious for its security as are members of the Opposition.

    Yet:

    219 Makin to Chifley
    Cablegram 835 WASHINGTON, 27 June 1947, 7.18 p.m.
    TOP SECRET AND PERSONAL

  35. Bruce of Newcastle

    The AUD has crashed to US68.5c?? Really? WTF!!

    Not just the Oz. Yen, yuan, Turkish lira and sterling too.

    Multiple FX Pairs Suddenly Flash Crash, Yields Tumble, Gold Surges

    Reuters are reporting this as the biggest FX moves since 2009. Obviously exacerbated by this being the worst period for FX liquidity, but still “probably just a little glitch” as the US president would call it.

    While there was no clear catalyst behidn the move, Ray Attrill, head of FX strategy at National Australia Bank Japanese said that retail investors may be behind the sharp currency swings: “AUD/JPY is one of the more active pairs traded by Japanese retail. Algorithms would probably have then got involved after the initial run, I’d imagine.

    The software did a dump in its underwear then headed for the exits. I think AI means algo insanity.

  36. Perfidious Albino

    Yangtze Incident – one of my all time favourites Myrddin S – thanks.

    I still have it on VHS, but will have to see if I can find a good full copy online.

  37. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    We’ve suffered enough, Stimson.

    No, no. Stimpy is leading us towards a better understanding of the Piece of Cod.
    It passeth all those here standing. Something to do with the Cheesemakers.

  38. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    The AUD has crashed to US68.5c?? Really? WTF!!
    Not just the Oz. Yen, yuan, Turkish lira and sterling too.

    Hairy’s busy booking Canada. How’s the Trudeau Treasure holding up vs the Ozzie?

  39. egg_

    The language of road toll implies that there’s a price that we’re happy to pay,” he told ABC Radio Melbourne’s Meshel Laurie.

    Isn’t the road death toll just an “annoyance”?
    /Squalid.

    (Mind the double door fridges falling from Opal Tower).

  40. calli

    The Holy Goat has to be in there somewhere.

  41. calli

    Around 94 cents Lizzie. We’re off to Canada in June, then cruisin for a bruisin’.

    Which may come true given the exchange rates. Suddenly that four days in NYC is looking pricey.

  42. John Constantine

    RHT resonance goes on another run this morning, in a crap market.

    I cannot price RHT, but still hold some on the basis that it hopes to provide services to people that are worried about their health, don’t want to change their lifestyle and use scans to monitor things so they can stretch the good times out as long as they can. And can afford it.

    [ cough, JC, cough]

    Visceral fat is a looming killer for many, and the non intrusive RHT scanning property means people don’t have to risk dying from biopsies to be checked over.

    I don’t know if todays announcement about expanding their offerings through a deal with an american health services company would have set off a fifty percent gain in a non holiday market, but Fat is Gold in the new century.

  43. None

    Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    #2897806, posted on January 3, 2019 at 5:09 pm

    Interesting reflection Lizzy. There is nothing base about the body at least not in Christian theology (nor in Jewish theology for that matter). We are embodied creatures. Christians believe in a bodily resurrection. Disembodied souls is a platonic conception.

  44. None

    Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    #2897806, posted on January 3, 2019 at 5:09 pm

    Interesting reflection Lizzy. There is nothing base about the body at least not in Christian theology (nor in J-wish theology for that matter). We are embodied creatures. Christians believe in a bodily resurrection. Disembodied souls is a platonic conception.

  45. JC

    I’ve been of the long Yen trade since before Xmas. The way it’s looking Yen may be heading below 100 to the US. The Japs just loosen enough to weaken the Yen. They just don’t know how to do it.

  46. John Constantine

    The interesting thing about the PBT prana run today was the premium that the punters put on a funding deal that seems dilutive and capping of any future run, but means PBT has funding opportunities more available than run of the mill on market raises.

    In an uncertain market, certainty is attractive even if it isn’t cheap.

  47. Stimpson J. Cat

    The elites have the job in front of them trying to cover up the opal tower fiasco ,/I am told more cracks have appeared since Christmas

    Can we stop it with this “The elites” talk?
    It seems racist.

  48. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    None at 5.10, a very interesting and perceptive comment.

    The linguistics of the period of writing are simply that, as is the choice of exampling. This is historically important information, also always subject to various forms of correction and critique. However, this ‘actual linguistic usage and meaning’ approach does not necessarily convey the theological intent.

  49. egg_

    Ford’s Boys Will Be Boys is currently ranked #3,729,584 on Amazon.

    Right behind Pus Treatments of the Seventeenth Century.

  50. None

    The language of road toll implies that there’s a price that we’re happy to pay,” he told ABC Radio Melbourne’s Meshel Laurie.

    Victorians areshappy to slaughter their unborn children and even force doctors to slaughter them; as of this year they will also slaughter the elderly and infirm and no doubt pretty soon they’ll be clamoring to slaughter the newly born and anybody else as well; the happy let African gangs slaughter whoever they want at will and suddenly there a little bit worried about the road toll. *snort*

  51. JC

    Infidel Tiger
    #2897809, posted on January 3, 2019 at 5:11 pm

    The elites have the job in front of them trying to cover up the opal tower fiasco ,/I am told more cracks have appeared since Christmas

    Can’t wait until they have to demolish it.

    They don’t know what’s going on until the remove the plaster and shit. I don’t think it will be that hard to repair…. It’s not going to be demolished.

  52. Robber Baron

    Just saw Van Onsellen reporting on politics on Ch 10. Jeez this guy is lucky. He is rubbish, yet gets so many well paid gigs.

  53. Zyconoclast

    Historian: Museums need to ‘reconsider’ European art exhibits because … white supremacy

    https://www.thecollegefix.com/historian-museums-need-to-reconsider-european-art-exhibits-because-white-supremacy/

    A Philadelphia-based art historian and curator believes exhibitions of European art in American museums should be “reconsidered” in light of “a surge in white supremacist violence” across the country.

    Alexander Kaufmann says that “[b]ecause the centering of Europe is baked into the architecture” of museums, and “usually inhabit the largest and most central galleries,” people might not notice a connection to white supremacy.

    “But white supremacists do,” he adds ominously.

    “Europe’s cultural prestige is their evidence for the racial superiority of white America,” Kaufmann writes in Hyperallergic. White supremacists and white nationalists gather at museums because that’s “where Europe’s cultural patrimony is most visibly singled out as exceptional.”

    White supremacy notwithstanding, American museums’ original missions — “provid[ing] instruction for the industrial classes” and helping the country achieve the goal of becoming the “noblest development of humanity” — have long required a response, Kaufmann argues, and the activism of groups like the Black Emergency Cultural Coalition and the Guerrilla Girls can provide just that.

    “After the violence in Charlottesville, Charleston, and Pittsburgh,” Kaufmann says, “our encyclopedic museums must take steps within their galleries of European Art to combat white supremacist ideology.” (But are women who run around in gorilla masks “to expose gender and ethnic bias [and] corruption in politics, art, film, and pop culture” really part of a serious solution?)

    Here’s some of what Kaufmann proposes:

    * Disrupt the mythos of a singular triumphant civilization encompassing all of Western Europe and extending from Ancient Greece to today. Our grouping of French, British, German, Italian, and Spanish art in suites of “European” galleries, usually the most prominent in the museum, supports a historical fiction present in white nationalists’ claims of racial superiority and in their aggrievement towards globalization: that of a world dominant civilization unified by a shared racial identity. Against the fantasy of commonality within “Fortress Europe,” we must learn how to tell the story of Europe’s historical disharmony and integration in global geographies of empire, trade, and migration.

    * Challenge the notion that the cultural life of Europe was uniformly white, heteropatriarchal, and Christian. Jews, Muslims, women, queer people, and people of color pervade the history of European art. After centuries of minimization, we must call attention to their presence.

    * Tell the histories of our collections. In November, Decolonize This Place activists occupied the Egyptian galleries at the Brooklyn Museum with a banner reading, “How was this acquired? By whom? For whom? At whose cost?” Visitors to European art collections have the same questions. Few know why paintings from European royal collections are in their cities. Our silence on this matter promotes the idea of America’s natural inheritance of European culture.

    Lastly, the “overwhelming whiteness” of museum staffs must be addressed, Kaufmann states, as currently there is “no effort specifically directed towards diversifying European Art.”

    They’re already among the “least diverse spaces” in majority-white institutions, he continues, and “the least diverse along virtually every axis: socio-economic background, religion, ethnicity, gender, sexual orientation.”

  54. egg_

    Just saw Van Onsellen reporting on politics on Ch 10. Jeez this guy is lucky. He is rubbish, yet gets so many well paid gigs.

    Talking sh1t to sh1tfers.

  55. egg_

    Right behind Pus Treatments of the Seventeenth Century.

    Illustrated Edition.

  56. Zyconoclast

    Historian: Museums need to ‘reconsider’ European art exhibits because … white supremacy

    https://www.thecollegefix.com/historian-museums-need-to-reconsider-european-art-exhibits-because-white-supremacy/

    A Philadelphia-based art historian and curator believes exhibitions of European art in American museums should be “reconsidered” in light of “a surge in white supremacist violence” across the country.

    Alexander Kaufmann says that “[b]ecause the centering of Europe is baked into the architecture” of museums, and “usually inhabit the largest and most central galleries,” people might not notice a connection to white supremacy.

    “But white supremacists do,” he adds ominously.

    “Europe’s cultural prestige is their evidence for the racial superiority of white America,” Kaufmann writes in Hyperallergic. White supremacists and white nationalists gather at museums because that’s “where Europe’s cultural patrimony is most visibly singled out as exceptional.”

    White supremacy notwithstanding, American museums’ original missions — “provid[ing] instruction for the industrial classes” and helping the country achieve the goal of becoming the “noblest development of humanity” — have long required a response, Kaufmann argues, and the activism of groups like the Black Emergency Cultural Coalition and the Guerrilla Girls can provide just that.

    “After the violence in Charlottesville, Charleston, and Pittsburgh,” Kaufmann says, “our encyclopedic museums must take steps within their galleries of European Art to combat white supremacist ideology.” (But are women who run around in gorilla masks “to expose gender and ethnic bias [and] corruption in politics, art, film, and pop culture” really part of a serious solution?)

    Here’s some of what Kaufmann proposes:

    * Disrupt the mythos of a singular triumphant civilization encompassing all of Western Europe and extending from Ancient Greece to today. Our grouping of French, British, German, Italian, and Spanish art in suites of “European” galleries, usually the most prominent in the museum, supports a historical fiction present in white nationalists’ claims of racial superiority and in their aggrievement towards globalization: that of a world dominant civilization unified by a shared racial identity. Against the fantasy of commonality within “Fortress Europe,” we must learn how to tell the story of Europe’s historical disharmony and integration in global geographies of empire, trade, and migration.

    * Challenge the notion that the cultural life of Europe was uniformly white, heteropatriarchal, and Christian. J3ws, Muslims, women, queer people, and people of color pervade the history of European art. After centuries of minimization, we must call attention to their presence.

    * Tell the histories of our collections. In November, Decolonize This Place activists occupied the Egyptian galleries at the Brooklyn Museum with a banner reading, “How was this acquired? By whom? For whom? At whose cost?” Visitors to European art collections have the same questions. Few know why paintings from European royal collections are in their cities. Our silence on this matter promotes the idea of America’s natural inheritance of European culture.

    Lastly, the “overwhelming whiteness” of museum staffs must be addressed, Kaufmann states, as currently there is “no effort specifically directed towards diversifying European Art.”

    They’re already among the “least diverse spaces” in majority-white institutions, he continues, and “the least diverse along virtually every axis: socio-economic background, religion, ethnicity, gender, sexual orientation.”

  57. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Disembodied souls is a platonic conception.

    Yes, you are right. That did influence the Cathars with their particular form of mind/body separations. The abnegation of the body however does seem to run through Christian practice. Flailings and thrashings etc at the extreme, also the various sexual proscriptions, which carry a level of distaste for reminders of bodily lusts. Also all those skull and gore reminders in Medieval paintings. More a matter of people making things up, I expect, rather than theologies. Theologies get difficult when it comes to bodily resurrection in my book. I think I’d like to be resurrected as a hot 25 year old! Too old for that now, I’ll be stuck with what is left these days. 🙁

    So I’d suggest that sophisticated believers leave that bit, in His wisdom, up to God alone. 🙂

  58. jupes

    Are we allowed to talk about Macron?
    I’ve forgotten.

    Oh FFS. You were busted posting J*w-hate, now you are triggered whenever the subject comes up.

    Have a good look at yourself in the mirror and stop sooking. It’s unbecoming.

  59. egg_

    So as China’s economy sinks deeper and faster, it will be interesting to see what rabbits Xi can pull from his hat before March 1st when the higher US tariffs kick in. More Guatemalan caravans? A collision or 2 in the Sth China Sea?

    Would the greatest threat to the Chinese Navy be the Chinese Navy?

  60. Stimpson J. Cat

    Stimpy is leading us towards a better understanding of the Piece of Cod.

    That’s right.
    It never fails to amuse me how every single person who talks about ancient religious texts somehow ignores the existence of Mental Illness and the possible implications that has for all of them.
    It never existed!!!
    I’m the only one guys!

  61. Oh come on

    Interesting:

    The fatally stabbed Sea Org worker was a Taiwan national, and police say that the assailant was also of Asian descent and “might need an interpreter.”

    Sea Org = Scientology ‘clergy’. Sea Org members are allowed to marry (only within Sea Org) but not have children. There have been allegations of Sea Org members being forced to have abortions.

  62. Infidel Tiger

    Falling dollar, crashing house prices.

    Terrible New Year for cruise loving Boomers.

  63. None

    However, this ‘actual linguistic usage and meaning’ approach does not necessarily convey the theological intent

    Hmm big call. It perhaps did at the time? The question then is what happened after that time and from what I understand the history of biblical exegesis and interpretation – a huge field of study – has not yet been written.

    The Eastern and Oriental Orthodox still use patristic hermeneutics. The Catholics veered into Scholastic propositional type theology until 1948 I think when they permitted critical biblical scholarship and the latter has certainly been promoted since Vatican 2 albeit always within the confines of “tradition”. Vatican 2 mercifully also gave the Catholics Dei Verbum which is a far more sophisticated and nuanced understanding of Revelation and its relationship to scripture which ironically owes something to Protestant theologians ( the history of that particular document and all the theological maneuverings behind the scene is an interesting study in itself). The Protestants have largely gone off the rails. The evangelicals among them who still retain some semblance of historical Christian beliefs are unable to justify those beliefs on the basis of their rather shallow and ahistorical exegetical methods. One should always be grateful that Christ remains the head of his church because the humans certainly make a mess of it.

  64. egg_

    Unfortunately the Rothschild/Hooish connection spoils many debates about who holds economic power.

    Eg: I find it quite plausible a family group could continue to wield extraordinary economic clout due to great wealth generated in the past and sweetheart deals.
    But the horrible anti-semitism means all information on some groups devolves into stormfront type raving at some stage.

    A reverse Godwin’s?

  65. Stimpson J. Cat

    Oh FFS. You were busted posting J*w-hate, now you are triggered whenever the subject comes up.
    Have a good look at yourself in the mirror and stop sooking. It’s unbecoming.

    Was I?
    But I’m still here.
    I don’t understand how that is possible.
    Maybe I’m a Mental Diversity Hire and it’s hard to get rid of me.
    That would explain why the Women and yourself are still here.
    Quotas.
    😁

  66. Oh come on

    It isn’t odd that the murdered Sea Org guy was a Taiwanese national – as I said yesterday, Scientology is clapped out, membership-wise:

    One question we haven’t seen the press bring up yet. Is it unusual for the AO to have a Taiwanese national on staff? No, not at all. Scientology is dying in Australia, and so they have had to import a lot of Taiwanese workers to keep the facilities there staffed.

    What is unusual is that any activity happened at the AO at all. Scientology spent something like $40 million to turn a former national acoustics lab into its new Advanced Org that would serve Australia, New Zealand, and Asia. But even in its own planning papers it admitted that traffic at the facility would be light. And we would be surprised if at any time there were more than a couple dozen people — workers and Scientologists there to get services — on the campus at any one time.

    Opening the AO in such a vast, lavish facility was purely for show, another part of David Miscavige’s attempt to convince his wealthy donors that Scientology is actually booming, when it isn’t.

  67. Cassie of Sydney

    “jupes
    #2897835, posted on January 3, 2019 at 5:39 pm
    Are we allowed to talk about Macron?
    I’ve forgotten.

    Oh FFS. You were busted posting J*w-hate, now you are triggered whenever the subject comes up.

    Have a good look at yourself in the mirror and stop sooking. It’s unbecoming.”

    Well said Jupes. It seems Stimpson likes to always play the victim. It’s pretty pathetic.

  68. Black Ball

    Mike Amor telling Melburnians to brace themselves for a one day heatwave. FMD

  69. Oh come on

    What was the 16yo Asian stabber who may not speak English doing at the place, though? What’s with the terms “lawful reason” and “domestic incident”? Something fishy seems to be going on.

  70. Stimpson J. Cat

    Oh no I’m being bullied by Women online.
    Help!

  71. Cassie of Sydney

    I have a cousin who was involved in scientology for a time…..she left many years ago but she is still dealing with the fallout. There is nothing nice or benign about scientology.

  72. Memoryvault

    That would explain why the Women and yourself are still here.

    Don’t be silly, Stimpy.
    The women are here because they are all secret admirers of you.
    Each and every one of you.

  73. Dr Fred Lenin

    If you were a bank manager would you give a home loan to buy a unit in Opal Towers.? Any “repairs”done would be purely cosmetic if the building is structually unsound . You could not be sure further incidents would not occur ,the damage to the building industry is huge, it casts aspertions on all builders and will become a byword for jerry building .

  74. egg_

    Rae how long until you pop your clogs?

    Brain cancer has migrated to his @rse?

  75. JC

    Faulthead.

    The Social Studies Journal I bring up at times… suggested you were in cahoots with some religious loons from the US. Were they Scientologists?

  76. None

    Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    #2897833, posted on January 3, 2019 at 5:34 pm

    Yes and funnily enough that’s also partly platonic ( or generally Greek…moderation being a key virtue there) although the Christians certainly do have plenty of teaching on bridling the passions. There was also a lot of Christian criticism especially since late antiquity of extreme ascetic movements which began springing up at that time. I’m not sure that people understand what prompts extreme asceticism or its popularity among the masses. The Chrustian east certainly has its share of weird ascetic saints but don’t seem to have descended into the hair shirt flogging mania of the West.

  77. Hobbledehoy

    Maybe an urban legend but I was once told that every new Army intake at Puckapunyal was shown Zulu to make the point that a unit can survive against seemingly impossible odds if they maintain discipline and keep their nerve.
    I can vouch for this. I was a Nasho in 1969, and we were shown Zulu.

  78. Memoryvault

    If you were a bank manager would you give a home loan to buy a unit in Opal Towers.?

    I somehow doubt bank managers are going to be swamped by people wanting to buy units there
    any time soon.

  79. JC

    Infidel Tiger
    #2897840, posted on January 3, 2019 at 5:43 pm

    Falling dollar, crashing house prices.

    Terrible New Year for cruise loving Boomers.

    You’re a very angry millennial these days, Artie. House prices falling, dollar falling… big deal when Apple lost US$60 billion in market cap in after hours trading.

  80. egg_

    The 24-year-old man is an employee of the Church of Scientology and is believed to be of Taiwanese descent.

    Viorent Scientorogy?

  81. H B Bear

    Just saw Van Onsellen reporting on politics on Ch 10. Jeez this guy is lucky. He is rubbish, yet gets so many well paid gigs.

    Van Wrongselen tells people what they want to hear. Always a market for that.

  82. None

    Funnily enough I was reading about Scientology last night and I don’t recall what prompted me to surf – was it something that someone wrote here or something I read in a press. Anyway somewhere in my browsing I came across a statement that thanks to the internet and the exposure of operating thetans and their wacko beliefss there are only a few tens of thousand practicing scientologist left today.

  83. Stimpson J. Cat

    Each and every one of you.

    There is only me you idiot.
    Sock puppets are for degenerate f®ggot Muppets.

  84. Fleeced

    Falling dollar, crashing house prices.

    Don’t worry, ALP will be in power soon enough, and they’ll fix it all by abolishing CGT “concession”, double-taxing dividends, raiding super funds, restricting “negative gearing”, increasing company and income taxes, and introducing a carbon tax (or variation thereof).

    She’ll be right.

  85. H B Bear

    Finally something to celebrate. Stumps.

  86. JC

    George Bush snr was the global head of a homosexual ped ring has to be the funniest conspiracy theory I’ve read in a while. That’s some very serious use of the crack pipe., but even then how did you dream up this horseshit, Faulthead?

    He’s not talking to me, so can someone ask him how he dreamed up this nonsense?

  87. Oh come on

    Bloody hell, None. It was here and you were talking to me! Short term memory problems or what?

  88. egg_

    China lands probe on far side of moon

    Did it side swipe Apollo 11?

  89. Fleeced

    Yeah, the scientology stuff was in this thread, wasn’t it? 20,000 was the number of members quoted (which I said seemed too low, and not that believable). Though as I said, it depends what your definition of a “practicing” Scientologist is.

  90. Old Lefty

    C.L.
    #2897553, posted on January 3, 2019 at 11:05 am

    Why it’s called Boxing Day:

    Union chief John Setka has responded to reports he has been charged over an incident at his home in Melbourne’s west on Boxing Day.

    Police were called to a home in West Footscray on Boxing Day following reports of an argument.

    Victoria Police said a 54-year-old man was arrested and charged with a court order offence, and was released on bail to appear at the Melbourne Magistrates Court next week.

    He needn’t worry. If Fatty doesn’t drop charges, there’s always the independent and apolitical DPP who evidently believes that the CFMEU never threaten, intimidate or blackmail; they only have friendly social chats in one’s own interests.

    https://www.afr.com/news/politics/how-to-lose-a-blackmail-case-against-the-cfmeu-20180625-h11th3

    The Hunchback must be very pleased with her, especially after 12 December.

  91. Oh come on

    JC: I did try earlier today to make the point to MV that him moaning about cults is a bit rich coming from a guy who falls over himself to believe every wacky conspiracy theory he encounters, but he isn’t talking to me, either.

  92. JC

    Faulthead… in all seriousness, where did you get that shit from? What “data” did you examine to arrive at that conclusion?

  93. That’s right.
    It never fails to amuse me how every single person who talks about ancient religious texts somehow ignores the existence of Mental Illness and the possible implications that has for all of them.
    It never existed!!!
    I’m the only one guys!

    The thought has crossed my mind more than once. Particularly after a visit to Assisi.
    Saint Francis and Saint Clare could be pulled straight out of a psychiatry text.

  94. Bruce of Newcastle

    Don’t worry, ALP will be in power soon enough, and they’ll fix it all by abolishing CGT “concession”, double-taxing dividends, raiding super funds, restricting “negative gearing”, increasing company and income taxes, and introducing a carbon tax (or variation thereof).

    Which won’t apply to not-for-profit (ho ho) industry super funds.
    Maybe that is why CBUS is advertising incessantly to get people to switch to them.

  95. egg_

    The Chang’e-4 probe landed at 10:26am Beijing time and sent a photo of the far side of the moon to the Queqiao satellite, which will relay communications to controllers on Earth, state broadcaster CCTV said.

  96. None

    Though as I said, it depends what your definition of a “practicing” Scientologist is.

    if it’s a definition from Wikipedia than you can count it as totally wrong. Need to find credible studies by sociologists or religion scholars who have looked at Scientology. For my money scientology is a cult in the 1970s negative sense of the word.

  97. JC

    Oh he’s ignoring us, OCO. He’s now above it all 🙂

    The hysterical thing about all this is that the moron was encouraging people to look him up… suggesting he had nothing to be ashamed of. By his enticement tone, he was proud of it. The halfwit must have thought people would be wowed by the nonsense…. Bad call.

    I really want to know how he arrived at the Bush ped call.

  98. Stimpson J. Cat

    Particularly after a visit to Assisi.

    St. Francis of Assisi on women:

    “We ought, my beloved Brethren, to avoid most carefully the sight of women, and all conversation and familiarity with them, which have been the occasion of ruin to many; for on this account we often see the weak overcome and the strong shaken.”

    Saint Francis is literally a Goddamned Saint and 100% right.
    Show some respect.

  99. Fleeced

    I posted on Facebook recently, asking for reading suggestions for 2019, and more than a few of the suggestions were for self-help and human interest style books. Aside from being boring, I couldn’t help but feel a little insulted.

    Imagine if you asked someone to recommend a book and they suggested a diet book on losing weight? (It wasn’t that – it was more the “be a better person” variety – but that’s even worse, isn’t it?)

    Anyway… can anybody recommend any entertaining books for 2019. Fiction. Sci-fi, mostly. Or speculative-fiction (a bit broader than sci-fi). Something that’s just a good yarn would be good.

  100. Memoryvault

    Sock puppets are for degenerate f®ggot Muppets.

    I wasn’t referring to “sockpuppets” Stimpy.
    We all love you in all your many facets.
    Especially the Lady Cats.
    Just relax and enjoy it.

  101. None

    It was, OCO? Bloody hell indeed! LOL.

  102. Bruce of Newcastle

    Mike Amor telling Melburnians to brace themselves for a one day heatwave.

    This is how it was advertised last week:

    Australia swelters in record-breaking heatwave (28 Dec)

    So far this “record-breaking heatwave” has been meh. Totally ordinary. The only record that has been broken is the one for hyperbowl. Justin Langer should get Mike Amor into the next test, on his obvious hyper bowling ability.

  103. bespoke

    For my money scientology is a cult in the 1970s negative sense of the word.

    All cults are negative and pray on the week.

  104. JC

    It’s a thin book, Fleeced.

    Read: “The enemy, the state”, by Nock. It reinforces your libertarianism.

  105. thefrollickingmole

    There was also a lot of Christian criticism especially since late antiquity of extreme ascetic movements which began springing up at that time.

    Stileites…. That is all..

  106. Memoryvault

    Which won’t apply to not-for-profit (ho ho) industry super funds.

    There’s now around 2.5 trillion in super funds.
    About 1.8 trillion of that is in “industry” funds.
    Of that, over 1.5 trillion is in union-owned or controlled industry funds.

    It will be interesting to see just who is actually running the country after the next election.

  107. None

    Do you hate J-ws, Stimpson?

  108. Fleeced

    Read: “The enemy, the state”, by Nock. It reinforces your libertarianism.

    Not really fiction, but at 77 pages, I’ll read it if I can find a copy (Update: It’s on Kindle, but only US – I hate having to switch back and forth between stores). Honestly, most books of that nature need only be that thin. I might read more such books if they weren’t all padded out to 500 pages.

  109. JC

    There’s now around 2.5 trillion in super funds.
    About 1.8 trillion of that is in “industry” funds.
    Of that, over 1.5 trillion is in union-owned or controlled industry funds.

    It will be interesting to see just who is actually running the country after the next election.

    Where are you heading with this, Faulthead? What “direction” are you taking?

  110. None

    Yes Frolic. Fortunately not many people ran to imitate him (there were a few stylites but it wasn’t widespread or long lasting).

  111. Fleeced

    Having been away for a bit, I’m not familiar with (or have forgotten) all the nicknames. Who is Faulthead, again?

  112. Fleeced

    Ah, OK. Faulthead = memoryvault.

  113. bespoke

    I might read more such books if they weren’t all padded out to 500 pages.

    Sounds like the Law or theology. 🙂

  114. Bruce of Newcastle

    Anyway… can anybody recommend any entertaining books for 2019. Fiction. Sci-fi, mostly.

    Fleeced – I’m rereading Dune, commenced last night. Just marvellous.

    The reason I’m rereading Dune is I’m waiting for the tenth and final instalment of David Weber’s Safehold series, which is due on 8 January apparently*. If you want to lose yourself in ten thick novels based on European and American history from the 16th to the 21stC, set on a decently believeable planet in the future, then the Safehold series will keep you going.

    * You can usually believe the dates with Weber – his latest Harrington series novel came out 2 Oct as advertised. Not bad for a series of novels that has been going for a quarter of a century…real years.

  115. Oh come on

    Need to find credible studies by sociologists or religion scholars who have looked at Scientology

    Hahaha there are no credible academic studies. The upper echelons of Scientology would never allow a study of the movement that it wasn’t fully in control of. So there are the claims of the cult – countless millions of practitioners all over the world, and growing all the time -. and then there are the claims of senior Scientology defectors who say they had access to internal Scientology documents that show the actual number of practising Scientologists to be fewer than 20,000, and was never greater than 100,000.

    The Scientology claims are as preposterous as all of their other claims and can be safely disregarded. The claims of the defectors, who are attacked relentlessly by the ‘church’, are more believable. Particularly as these have been made by several people independent of each other. They all give the same numbers.

  116. bespoke

    JC When it comes to bailouts or preferential treatment the ALP will give it to industry funds so should I move mine to them?

  117. Fleeced

    I stopped reading Harrington series when it went off the rails. I enjoyed it up till then – will check out Safehold #1.

  118. Mother Lode

    Do you hate J-ws, Stimpson?

    I thought the first one was OK, although the special effects look rather silly now.

    I hated all the sequels though.

  119. Stimpson J. Cat

    Do you hate J-ws, Stimpson?

    Of course not.
    I’ve been through this before.
    It’s all so tiresome.

  120. Boambee John

    Bruce of N at 1808

    Which won’t apply to not-for-profit (ho ho) industry super funds

    No profit. Anything above payments to pensioners goes to the devoted managers..

  121. YT

    Fleeced,
    Try the Black Fleet series by Joshua Dalzelle

  122. YT

    And the Omega Force series by the same author.

  123. Fleeced:
    Something for you – near future SF. A plague arrives that turns people into 20yo. The way our society deals with it is very interesting.
    It’s a free ebook, part of a series from David van Dyke.
    Plague Wars.
    It’s a variation on the Fountain of Youth, but in our society. I’ve read the series about four times.

  124. Jannie

    Cardinal Pell.

    Sinc, or whomever is moderating this, can you explain what the protocol is regarding mentioning the name of this person and the case against him.

    Am I to understand that that it is forbidden to mention his name, the crime, or the evidence against him?

    Thanks

    [The Cat is not moderated in real time. Or moderated in any meaningful sense of the word. I have to rely on threadsters’ good judgement – such as it is. At this time I would prefer there to be zero discussion about this individual. That includes any meta-discussion about my preferences too. Sinc]

  125. calli

    Terrible New Year for cruise loving Boomers.

    Stirrer! 😀

  126. Memoryvault

    No profit. Anything above payments to pensioners goes to the devoted managers.

    I think our “not for profit” super funds took lessons from some of the better known charities.

  127. bespoke

    Elle
    #2897737, posted on January 3, 2019 at 3:35 pm
    Jason Bloomberg said: “Purveyors of hate speech often speak in ‘dog whistles,’ a kind of code in attempts to disguise their evil intent … with ‘bank’ being a dog whistle for ‘global J*wish conspiracy.’”

    Dog whistling is the second most used and abused accusation of the left but that doesn’t mean it not true sometimes. Still it has wrongfully damaged reputations and should be used with caution, Elle.

  128. mh

    Do you hate J-ws, Stimpson?

    Of course not.

    Do you hate women, Stimpson?

  129. C.L. said nothing is more dignified than suffering. Being crucified naked while being mocked is not dignified

    Sure, but I took CL to be referring to, not the infliction of suffering, but how it may be received, with dignity or without.

  130. BrettW

    Daily Mail has article about Setka and what appears to be a domestic violence case involving his wife.

    If I read it right he is basically saying that his leadership of the biggest gang of thugs has often led him to be in danger of going to court and this placed a strain on his family. Nothing about the strain on all the other people who he has threatened and intimidated over the years. Interesting to note his wife is a lawyer.

    A few years ago I noted on CMFEU VIC web page a Facebook post by their leadership with photos of them attending a White Ribbon event. In fact many CFMEU organisers have been connected to the domestic violence charity. Two years ago notorious CFMEU leader Joe McDonald gave a rousing speach at Laborsrty conference about stopping DV. Naturally Rosie Battie also spoke. The next day The Australian reported on one of the NSW CMFEU organisers who had previous for DV and had just got out of a second case as his wife / partner did not attend court. Defence lawyer told the court he was moving interstate. It just so happened he moved to WA where Joe a McDonald was obviously happy to help him out.

    Let’s not forget Royal Commission evidence of threats to females and the more recent behaviour at the strike site in Qld. Not to mention David Hanna former leader of Qld CFMEU having a rape trial coming up.

    Hypocrites the lot of them.

  131. Elle

    Bespoke, it was used within the context of today’s “discussion” only.

  132. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Anyway… can anybody recommend any entertaining books for 2019. Fiction. Sci-fi, mostly.

    Try the “Old Man’s War” series, by John Scalzi.

  133. JC

    bespoke
    #2897900, posted on January 3, 2019 at 6:34 pm

    JC When it comes to bailouts or preferential treatment the ALP will give it to industry funds so should I move mine to them?

    I don’t know if the $1.8 trillion is correct. But lets assume for the sake of the argument that Faulthead wasn’t bullshitting and that union industry funds total $1.8 trillion. A 30% drop in broad asset values would mean these funds would be down ~$630 billion. Do you think a liar party government would do a $630 billion bailout? I don’t.

  134. Fleeced

    The suggestions for books sound interesting so far – keep them coming 🙂

    You certainly have much better suggestions than people on Facebook (I probably shouldn’t be surprised).

  135. cohenite

    The latest Hollywood bio on Cheney is of course a hatchet job and for once Sheridan writes a good piece on the Hollywood maggots who made it:

    Hollywood’s Vice villain isn’t the Dick Cheney I know

    Greg Sheridan The Australian January 3, 2019

    The film Vice is superbly made, ­indeed brilliant, but profoundly dishonest in its treatment of Dick Cheney, George W. Bush’s vice-president. It has a wider cultural significance, for it demonstrates one reason it is so difficult for conservatives to prevail in Western societies. The Left has colonised and politicised much of elite and even popular arts production and uses them to project political ­messages.

    Vice is a supreme propaganda film, using all manner of sly tricks to dehumanise its villains. It is full of specific falsehoods. More generally, the innuendo and the physical mockery of its designated villains makes it manipulative and dishonourable.

    There are big lies and little lies. For example, early on it has Cheney showing up in Washington to participate in a congressional fellowship program for promising young professionals interested in politics. It presents Cheney at this point as a political moron, with no convictions beyond careerism and no idea whether he wants to be a Republican or a Democrat.

    In fact, by that stage in his ­career Cheney had undergraduate and masters degrees in politics and was working on a PhD with the realistic expectation of becoming an academic. Contrary to what the film says, the first congressman Cheney worked for was not Donald Rumsfeld but another ­Republican.

    Cheney is presented throughout as interested only in power and with no ideals or firm beliefs. This is inaccurate and unfair.

  136. Stimpson J. Cat

    Do you hate women, Stimpson?

    Of course not.
    They are glorious creatures full of light and joy.

  137. Rae

    I see ON-J has posted a video saying that rumours of her impending demise are premature.

  138. Fleeced

    Try the “Old Man’s War” series, by John Scalzi.

    Thanks zulu, but I was the first one to suggest that in this group a whiles back 🙂

    I thought they had a nice old-school sf vibe to them, despite being fairly modern.

  139. Mother Lode

    Daily Mail has article about Setka and what appears to be a domestic violence case involving his wife.

    This might be why the unions are so keen on Domestic Violence Leave: everyone should have the right to be paid if they have to stay home and counsel their spouse when she overcooks the eggs.

  140. So, much like yours then Graegooglery?

  141. Yes, you are right. That did influence the Cathars with their particular form of mind/body separations. The abnegation of the body however does seem to run through Christian practice. Flailings and thrashings etc at the extreme, also the various sexual proscriptions, which carry a level of distaste for reminders of bodily lusts. Also all those skull and gore reminders in Medieval paintings.

    It’s more mastery than denial. The sexual proscriptions are simply the results of natural law thinking and have nothing at all to do with self-denial of the body.

    More a matter of people making things up, I expect, rather than theologies. Theologies get difficult when it comes to bodily resurrection in my book. I think I’d like to be resurrected as a hot 25 year old! Too old for that now, I’ll be stuck with what is left these days.

    No, no, nothing else would do justice to the soul than bodily resurrection, and nothing else makes sense of the soul in all its aspects, vegetative, sensible and rational.

    P.S. The memento mori of medieval painting is not only a reminder of the limits of earthly pleasure, but a reminder also that we are destined for greater things. A thought that goes back to Augustine.

  142. Stimpson J. Cat

    Is Rand Paul an Anti-Semite or a Libertarian?

  143. bespoke

    Do you think a liar party government would do a $630 billion bailout?

    Don’t no I but wouldn’t be surprised if they gave them preferential treatment.

  144. H B Bear

    ALPBC radio has First Cockhead on the Moon on. Even worse in person than his unfunny “cartoons”. Media over summer is beyond dire.

  145. Memoryvault

    Anyway… can anybody recommend any entertaining books for 2019. Fiction. Sci-fi, mostly.

    Pretty-much anything by David Gemell.

    For something quirky but entertaining, Pandora’s Star, by Peter Hamilton.
    I haven’t read it, but Mrs MV assures me the follow-up is equally entertaining and quirky:
    Judas Unchained by Peter Hamilton.

    Not scifi, but rollicking good fun anyway:
    Riotous Assembly by Tom Sharp.

  146. Tom

    Mike Amor telling Melburnians to brace themselves for a one day heatwave. FMD

    Hahaha. I heard that. The meeja chickybabe was breathlessly announcing that tomorrow will be “the hottest day in three years”.

    That’s because Victoria hasn’t day a day over 40 degrees since around 2014. There used to be 2 or 3 or 4 a year — not counting the 1960s at the top of the last cycle, when we had actual heatwaves of up to 10 consecutive days above 100F (38.4C).

    These clowns are now trying to tell us that one hot day — that were rarely still get because the climate is apparently cooling — is a fucking “heat wave”.

    Can you remember when you could trust journalists to tell you the truth? Neither can I.

  147. mh

    Stimpson J. Cat
    #2897929, posted on January 3, 2019 at 7:26 pm
    Is Rand Paul an Anti-Semite or a Libertarian?

    Rand Paul is popular with American conservatives, so maybe your question is flawed.

  148. Old Lefty

    One wonders if twelve good peroffsprings and true adjudicating in Yarragrad a few weeks ago were told that the CFMEU knew where their families lived. Only for a friendly helpful social chat, of course.

  149. cohenite

    Do you think a liar party government would do a $630 billion bailout?

    To the unions: not directly but since tits will be giving about $20 – 30 billion PA in renewable subsidies (up from just under $10 billion under the idiots party) which industry super has invested heavily in I don’t think industry super will need a bailout at least until tits fall under setka driven bus.

  150. Mother Lode

    Sure, but I took CL to be referring to, not the infliction of suffering, but how it may be received, with dignity or without.

    I thought that rather obvious too. It is not such an unfamiliar concept in Western tradition.

    Just like courage is not merely adversity but how it is addressed, so dignity is how suffering is addressed, not just the suffering itself. But the point being that in suffering is to be found the greatest dignity.

    Someone made the point earlier that being hung naked on a cross in front of a crowd not being dignified. But composure in precisely that situation, not complaining, not wishing it was someone else, not spitting out impotent abuse, but instead eschewing all that as bile and spleen and instead maintaining a sense of self and beliefs – there is all the more dignity.

    It is worth noting that we use the word ‘dignified’ to describe a certain behaviour as resembling dignity, but it can be ostentatious and vacuous rather than sincere, depending on whether it is really underpinned by a true sense of dignity.

  151. egg_

    What was that sh1te that Minchin was playing at Aunty’s NYE concert – a serious attempt at art, rather than his usual parody tripe?
    Your tax dollars at work, comrade.

  152. JC

    We weren’t talking about unions, Cronkite. We’re discussing industry funds. Sure, ruinables will get a helping hand, but not an outright bailout if the asset market is down. It would be too big.
    Having said that, there would be a bailout of sorts if there was a unilateral collapse of the Australian asset market. The RBA came out a few weeks ago and stated it would engage in QE if there was a need. However, that wouldn’t be a bailout of just union funds. Everyone with financial assets would participate in that party.

  153. Old School Conservative

    Setka asks for privacy so his family can come to grips with he pressure mounted by others.
    The Australian quietly counters with this vignette:

    In October, Mr Setka sparked anger by posting the Martin ­Luther King Jr quote “Never forget that everything Hitler did in Germany was legal” in an attack on the federal government’s building code.

    In September he apologised for posting a picture of his children, with one child holding a sign saying, “Go get f..ked’’, with the caption: “Leave our dads alone and go catch the real criminals you cowards.”

    He is obviously adept at shifting blame.

  154. egg_

    “15 Minutes”
    An Autobiography?

  155. Old School Conservative

    The pressure

  156. Bruce of Newcastle

    ALPBC radio has First Cockhead on the Moon on. Even worse in person than his unfunny “cartoons”. Media over summer is beyond dire.

    Around lunchtime I caught a bit of ABC24 doing the Ultima Thule story.
    The ABC newsthing asked the talking head “would there be life on it?”
    Sheesh. If any of them had two brain cells to rub together they’d be dangerous.

  157. JC

    Union funds were accused of owning tons of assets which are marked to market and aren’t liquid. I don’t know what happened with that after was first reported.

  158. Jumpnmcar

    Watch ” Free State of Jones ” on Netflix, Hollywood may be turning.This is a brilliant production with Mathew McConaughey.
    Advice for free.

  159. DrBeauGan

    My Bip smartwatch arrived today and my inner child is bitterly disappointed. In order to connect it to the phone via Bluetooth it insists on my registering with Xiaomi and providing personal details, something I’m not willing to do. It also has several apps, all of which demand access to almost everything on my phone.

    It’s a swindle for which I’ve paid $125. A complete waste of money.

    At least it was cheap compared with the Apple watch or the Samsung smartwatch.

    Bloody Xiaomi going the Facebook, Twitter, Google route. I loathe these intrusive shits.

  160. Cassie of Sydney

    “bespoke
    #2897912, posted on January 3, 2019 at 6:50 pm
    Elle
    #2897737, posted on January 3, 2019 at 3:35 pm
    Jason Bloomberg said: “Purveyors of hate speech often speak in ‘dog whistles,’ a kind of code in attempts to disguise their evil intent … with ‘bank’ being a dog whistle for ‘global J*wish conspiracy.’”

    Dog whistling is the second most used and abused accusation of the left but that doesn’t mean it not true sometimes. Still it has wrongfully damaged reputations and should be used with caution, Elle.”

    I think that Elle and myself (oh and by the way, Elle and I aren’t a team and we don’t tag together despite a few Cat’s adolescent sniping) do use that word sparingly and with “caution” however both Elle and I will call out anti-Semitism when we see it. The dog whistling about J*ws and banks is so cliched and is such an age old anti-Semitic slur that we shouldn’t even have to point it out….and a big thanks to Jupes for calling it out too. For too many centuries, J*wish men, women and children have been murdered across Europe and the middle east precisely because of this dog whistling….that J*ws control all the banks, that J*ws run the world, that J*ws poison wells, that J*ws kill little children and use their blood to make matza at Passover…all of this has been used to ferment and whip up genocidal J*w hatred amongst people……and the result……pogroms, massacres…..too numerous to mention. The soil of Europe is drenched with J*wish blood. In fact anyone with even a smidgeon of history would know what I write is true.

    And with what has been happening in France, with the “yellow vests”….most of whom are ordinary men and women struggling to run their business and are rightly taking to the streets to call out that ghastly elitist names Macron…..I have supported these ordinary people but I have become paralysed with fear and I am feeling very uncertain when I hear and read that some demonstrators have resorted to hurling anti-Semitic smears about J*ws and banks and all the other cliched anti-Semitic rubbish….J*ws are communists, J*ws are running the world and all the rest. Whilst it’s tedious and ridiculous, it is also deadly and has been throughout J*wish history……currently French J*ws are under siege from the islamist left and the far right. Macron, despite being a little pompous turd, was right to call out this anti-Semitism. And the fools amongst the yellow vests who are sprouting this anti-Semitism are only delegitimising the movement and are giving oxygen to the left who want to destroy the movement.

    Anti-Semitism is so irrational, so absurd yet so murderous. You would think that after the murder of six million that people would be awake to this irrationality…..but no it still seems to provide succour to people who want to scapegoat and who want to dog whistle.

    So yes, when Elle and I see the words Rothschild, banks and all the other cretinous anti-Semitic babble, we don’t like it, we can smell the connotations, we know what it means and we will call it out. .

  161. JC

    Doc

    That privacy horse jumped the gate around 2010. We had an opportunity then to prevent intrusion, but now it’s too far gone. At a personal level I really don’t care about sharing my private information with corporations. I see it as pretty harmless. It’s government intrusion I’m worried about .

  162. Stimpson J. Cat

    Rand Paul is popular with American conservatives, so maybe your question is flawed.

    Ah, so popularity with American conservatives determines whether one is an Anti-Semite.
    That’s fascinating.

  163. Memoryvault

    Sheesh. If any of them had two brain cells to rub together they’d be dangerous.

    Bruce, unfortunately the standards of reporting at the ABC proves that they don’t even need two brain cells to be dangerous.

  164. JC

    whoops aren’t marked to market.

  165. cohenite

    Some hatchet faced bitch in a police uniform in WA announcing police are going to focusing on gun owners who keep their guns under mattresses.

    I’m really coming around to how muslims regard women.

  166. Mother Lode

    The film Vice is superbly made, ­indeed brilliant, but profoundly dishonest in its treatment of Dick Cheney, George W. Bush’s vice-president. It has a wider cultural significance, for it demonstrates one reason it is so difficult for conservatives to prevail in Western societies. The Left has colonised and politicised much of elite and even popular arts production and uses them to project political ­messages.

    They did the same thing with movie Fair Game about Valerie Plame. The based it on Plame’s and Wilson’s books and such, and the director claimed to have trawled through all the transcipts and documents.

    Thing is that even when they make shit like this but put in text near the beginning or the end that it is based on one person’s version of events it makes no difference – after being immersed in sights and sounds, emotionally investing in the characters depicted, the truth of the 10 seconds of text makes no impression.

    The buggers know this.

    Hollywood actors gravitate toward roles that make them money. But the big actors can indulge their emotions and pick roles that tap into what they are already emotionally invested in. Often at the expense of movie revenue.

  167. Old School Conservative

    Another sad example of our throwaway society.

    Sam Burgess and wife Phoebe separate less than a month after birth of second child.

    They were married for 3 years.

  168. Tel

    . It also has several apps, all of which demand access to almost everything on my phone.

    I got LineageOS running on an older phone of mine, unfortunately it’s a slightly damaged phone which can be fixed I just haven’t taken it in to a suitable repair guy. Tinkering with LineageOS, they have done a pretty good job of gutting Android and getting it back to the basic bits you need. Amazing how much faster and nicer it is than the standard bloatware you get. I recommend.

    There’s only a handful of developers, so I wonder how much it would cost to get a bunch of people to chip in and pay for a feature that allows the system to promise the app access to every permission, but then fake it with a bogus address book, fake SMS, fake camera, etc. Even if they did a rough job to begin with and perhaps some of the apps might start trying to detect that, I think it would get better quite quickly once people started to like that. The app can’t figure out what you have faked and what you haven’t so it can’t get stubborn.

    On the other hand… use open source apps that don’t suck like that. *shrug*

  169. Black Ball

    Can you remember when you could trust journalists to tell you the truth? Neither can I.

    Truth matters at Channel 7 Tom. They said so

  170. DrBeauGan

    St. Francis of Assisi on women:

    “We ought, my beloved Brethren, to avoid most carefully the sight of women, and all conversation and familiarity with them, which have been the occasion of ruin to many; for on this account we often see the weak overcome and the strong shaken.”

    Sounds like a poof. Isn’t the present pope named after him?

  171. DrBeauGan

    That privacy horse jumped the gate around 2010. We had an opportunity then to prevent intrusion, but now it’s too far gone. At a personal level I really don’t care about sharing my private information with corporations. I see it as pretty harmless. It’s government intrusion I’m worried about .

    If they access your microphone, they can (and in some cases do) listen to your conversations, JC. I know it sounds paranoid, but ask yourself why a music distribution app wants access to your microphone.

  172. Black Ball

    Watching Big Bash, is it necessary for the segue to circle around the outgoing batsman, lucky Tony Lockett didn’t play in this format.
    https://youtu.be/e0rVvSE7zSA

  173. Tel

    Sounds like a poof. Isn’t the present pope named after him?

    Definitely not descended from him.

  174. Tel

    At a personal level I really don’t care about sharing my private information with corporations. I see it as pretty harmless. It’s government intrusion I’m worried about .

    Anything the government wants from the corporations gets handed over immediately.

    Don’t think of them as two separate parties.

  175. Fisky

    He’s not talking to me, so can someone ask him how he dreamed up this nonsense?

    He didn’t. The George HW Bush rentboy allegation was a cut and paste from Lyndon LaRouche’s material of the late 80s and early 90s.

  176. They did the same thing with movie Fair Game about Valerie Plame. The based it on Plame’s and Wilson’s books and such, and the director claimed to have trawled through all the transcipts and documents.

    Rageaholic has a great rant about this from the point of view of the nonsense and lies Hollywood has promoted re Joseph McCarthy.

  177. DrBeauGan

    Tel, I just had a look at lineage os, and it looks impressive. I am too lazy to install it on my present phone, but I’ll seriously look at it on my next one.

    Which will be when I drop this one and crack the screen.

  178. Armadillo

    The George HW Bush rentboy allegation was a cut and paste from Lyndon LaRouche’s material of the late 80s and early 90s.

    Finally some common sense. About time.

  179. Perfidious Albino

    Holidaying in the Vic high country this last week. Lake Guy, part of the AGL operated Kiewa Valley hydro system just dropped 1.5 – 2 metres (against the dam wall) in approx 30 mins after having been static all week. Obviously drawing on the hydro power now.

  180. Bruce of Newcastle

    Get stuffed DrB. His heart was in the right place.

    Francis cartoon.

  181. bespoke

    Seems naive JC, do you think the line between government and corporations isn’t diminishing?.

  182. Rockdoctor

    Heard from an excellent source i.e. someone who lives in the Wimmera that Nhill’s Karens good story may be fluffed up in parts and they get a fair bit of support from Governments. Apparently while industrious they may not be assimilating like the media are making out but creating their own community along side the older one.

    Apparently a new child care centre that a fair bit of local money was raised for has an area for Karen Children separated to all the other children leaving some in the community to ask why aren’t they all together.

    Apparently also the duck processing plant that hire a heap of the Karens had its first strike in years but not by the union. Apparently they have learned fast (Or been coached) to push boundaries, 6 Australians & 6 Karen were put off in the low season is what sparked it and raised eyebrows with the local union as the community leaders organised the lot.

    Lastly they are now buying up farms which is not resented because the locals say they pool their money & generally is legit but what is raising eyebrows is how whole clans are now occupying these farms & living in sheds unmolested by authorities that if Australians tried to do there would be council inspectors & all sorts down there.

    However to be fair he did tell me they do still have support from the community, they work and though not mixing as much as we are made to believe they are polite not causing problems generally. They are fairly religious & involved with the local churches I was told.

  183. Tel

    Tel, I just had a look at lineage os, and it looks impressive. I am too lazy to install it on my present phone, but I’ll seriously look at it on my next one.

    Keep a backup of the factory image because you might lose access to the Google Play store where you can download other things (if that matters to you).

    https://wiki.lineageos.org/gapps.html

    Even with Google Play free apps, a lot of them are not open for regular download. Maybe you want those, maybe not, depends what you are doing. My preference is to have as little crap on my phone as possible.

  184. Mother Lode

    Some hatchet faced bitch in a police uniform in WA announcing police are going to focusing on gun owners who keep their guns under mattresses.

    There is an atrocious underclass overclass of women (and other protected groups) who won their jobs through the intertwined thickets of goodthink. Everyone who owns a gun is a maniac (current or imminent), the reason we don’t have 50% women in all roles is a pernicious male plot, all Muslims in Australia are victims of white Christians etc.

    This woman was chosen because she would think this way.

    They call it intersectionality.

    It explains everything up until you hit reality.

  185. Frank

    I know it sounds paranoid, but ask yourself why a music distribution app wants access to your microphone.

    Does it have a voice activated feature on it, a “play song X by Y” sort of thing?

  186. Armadillo

    Bruce, aligning yourself with birds isn’t good. Too many enemies.

    BTW, GI Joe was a real WW2 hero. Carrier pidgeon.

  187. Gab

    Sam Burgess and wife Phoebe

    Never heard of them.

  188. mh

    Stimpson J. Cat
    #2897949, posted on January 3, 2019 at 8:08 pm
    Rand Paul is popular with American conservatives, so maybe your question is flawed.

    Ah, so popularity with American conservatives determines whether one is an Anti-Semite.
    That’s fascinating
    .

    You framed the question anti Semite or libertarian. If you are not going to explain why Rand Paul should be falling into your two chosen categories then you won’t get an insightful answer.

    Either you want to have a serious debate or you don’t.

  189. Tel

    If they access your microphone, they can (and in some cases do) listen to your conversations, JC.

    As a certain ALP Senator explained to his Chinese guest … later confirmed by replaying the snooped conversation.

  190. Oh come on

    The George HW Bush rentboy allegation was a cut and paste from Lyndon LaRouche’s material of the late 80s and early 90s.

    So a Lyndon LaRouche fanboi is dissing Scientology. Not a fan of the competition I guess.

  191. Bruce of Newcastle

    Not surprised if the Karen aren’t exactly integrating into our socialist utopia.
    They survived the last century in a very iffy part of the planet due to sheer guts.
    Be a while before they trust Australia.
    I wish the rest of Australians would have the same sceptical outlook.

  192. None

    Sure, but I took CL to be referring to, not the infliction of suffering, but how it may be received, with dignity or without

    C.L. is capable enough of articulating what he meant and he did not refer to the infliction of suffering. And besides to think that Christ accepted his suffering with dignity. FFS. We are talking Christ the son of God here who as a human was executed as an innocent man – the most outrageous and unjust crime that one can perpetrate on another human being; to kill the innocent. But not only that to execute the man who was God himself in the flesh. What heights of human hubris and what depth of human depravity. Christ did not take a dignified view of all that. No he was contemptuous of it and chose to lay down his life in order to draw the condemnation upon his accusers and his murderers, namely everyone of us. As Pantokrator, he who holds the whole universe together, he nevertheless condescended to take upon himself all the dreck of sinful humanity, all suffering, all evil, all injustice, every bit of fallennss in creation and crush it under his feet so that we can be left legless before him and not claim that we either deserve to be saved or that we are good enough to be saved. How pompous arsed of anyone to think that Christ the Lord of the universe like a good little drama queen was so dignified. Because no doubt we pathetic sinful creatures are in a position to put God our Creator on the dock.

  193. Stimpson J. Cat

    Some hatchet faced bitch in a police uniform in WA announcing police are going to focusing on gun owners who keep their guns under mattresses.
    There is an atrocious underclass overclass of women (and other protected groups) who won their jobs through the intertwined thickets of goodthink. Everyone who owns a gun is a maniac (current or imminent), the reason we don’t have 50% women in all roles is a pernicious male plot, all Muslims in Australia are victims of white Christians etc.
    This woman was chosen because she would think this way.
    They call it intersectionality.

    Come now.
    Female Police have to work twice as hard,
    and eat twice as much, to achieve the same position as a Male.
    Christine Nixon was a prime example of this.

  194. Oh come on

    Sam Burgess

    Never heard of them.

    Oh that’s one of the Cambridge Five. Or the host of Wheel Of Fortune.

  195. Stimpson J. Cat

    If you are not going to explain why Rand Paul should be falling into your two chosen categories then you won’t get an insightful answer.
    Either you want to have a serious debate or you don’t.

    Oh OK.
    He was holding up $38 billion dollars in US taxpayer funds from going to Israel.
    Now answer.

  196. Mother Lode

    Isn’t the present pope named after him (Francis of Assisi)?

    You mean Pope Ass? I reckon he is.

  197. bespoke

    Tel

    I played around with some android mods when I had a HD2 then lost interest. Do you use it daily?

  198. Memoryvault

    Thanks to whoever provided the link to the story of Able Seacat Simon, First Class.
    What a great story – with a real tear-jerker ending.

  199. mh

    He was holding up $38 billion dollars in US taxpayer funds from going to Israel.
    Now answer.

    That would depend on his reasons for holding up the funds. If his voting pattern changed regarding spending bills passing through the Senate specifically because it was Israel, then you would still have to ask what his particular issue is with Israel. Seeing that Rand Paul’s default position is being sceptical of government spending then I cannot see anti-Semitism at this stage.

    Rand Paul would also see that scenario as the US Feds creating money out of thin air which taxpayers have to return with interest.

  200. Mother Lode

    You framed the question anti Semite or libertarian.

    I myself am in the 50/50 camp regarding anti-semi-librarians.

    I am 50% in favour of people who are in favour of half the books in their collections.

    Mind you, I am 100% in favour of people who are in favour of their book collections.

    But I am 75% sure that is 75% fair.

  201. Mother Lode

    Just as an aside, we are having the most wonderful sea breezes in Mosman this arvo.

    It was very welcoming to stand outside and feel a bit chilled.

    I suppose the BOM will tell me this is the hottest ‘bit chilled’ on record.

  202. None

    Quite a rant, None.

    Got nothing to say again, Arma?

  203. Armadillo

    I find the whole “racist”, anti Semitic, anti Islamic, anti Catholic, anti black/white/yellow/brown debate rather boring.

    You probably just hate them, and they instinctively hate you. Learn to live with it.

    Nothing can be done about it. It is what it is.

  204. DrBeauGan

    Bruce of Newcastle
    #2897967, posted on January 3, 2019 at 8:37 pm
    Get stuffed DrB. His heart was in the right place.

    Francis cartoon.

    I think he was OK on animals and birds, BoN. I would argue distant cousins rather than brothers and sisters, but that’s nit-picking. I agree that women can be scary, but I think avoiding them altogether is cowardly. Or he liked blokes more than is seemly.

  205. John Constantine

    Disney are to have an alt right fundementalist christian as the murderous villian of the next season of the Punisher.

    Having told all punisher fans who are not progressive Stalinists to fuck off in an interview given by the actor playing Frank Castle, Disney spends shareholders money to go as hard as it can in displaying its utter contempt of its base.

    I encourage downloading all disney content from the torrents without payment as an act of the civil disobedience and resistance they so champion.

    Comrades.

  206. John Constantine

    ” but this is clearly being done for a very specific reason.

    The Punisher’s trademark skull has been adopted as a sort of symbol for many people in the alt-right movement, and he has been sort of a conservative, gun-toting icon for a long while now, even before these labels existed. ”

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/insertcoin/2019/01/01/buckle-up-the-punishers-season-2-villain-is-an-alt-right-christian-fundamentalist/#344b2e455f29

  207. Old School Conservative

    Rageaholic has a great rant

    A funny and insightful video.
    My favourite line – “Hollywood is redder than a baboons arse.”

  208. Armadillo

    Got nothing to say again, Arma?

    I’m a Catholic, None. I’ve found no need for the confessional. Last time was pretty boring. I sat in silence.

    I haven’t broken any commandments, and I’m not a “dibber dobber”. I have a clean sheet.n

  209. None

    “Redder than a baboons arse.”

    Stealing that.

  210. None

    I’ve found no need for the confessional. Last time was pretty boring. I sat in silence.

    Then you can’t call yourself a Catholic, because if you have no need for a confessional then you have no need of god. Stop pretending.

  211. DrBeauGan

    I’ve got an odd collection of apps, Tel, most from playstore. Including a nice calculator, hipercalc, which does complex numbers, so if you are asked for a number between zero and ten, you can say i^i and prove it’s in there. You wouldn’t want to convince Stimpy by doing it on paper. Also a fractal generator for amusing small children. I wouldn’t want to lose them or my Amazon Kindle books.

    My local computer shop has a new bloke who does phones. I am thinking of getting him to do it for me on another phone, then swap simcards and see what I can get to work on the other phone. If it all goes OK, I could let him do it on this one.

  212. Armadillo

    Then you can’t call yourself a Catholic, because if you have no need for a confessional then you have no need of god.

    That’s some pretty mixed up logic there.

  213. bespoke

    Are anger issues a sin?

  214. Eyrie

    “Try the “Old Man’s War” series, by John Scalzi.”
    Scalzi is a scumbag lefty. Steal the book or don’t bother. Boycott.

  215. Frank

    My favourite line – “Hollywood is redder than a baboons arse.”

    Or in a similar vein: “Socialism, the Germans couldn’t make it work”.

  216. Old School Conservative

    The plot thickens.
    EXCLUSIVE: The high-flying lawyer wife of union boss John Setka allegedly blew almost six times the legal alcohol limit on Boxing Day while speeding with her two young children in the car.

    Highway patrol officers stopped Emma Walters in western Victoria, with police saying she “returned an ­evidentiary breath test of .282”, just hours after the ­couple argued at their home in Melbourne’s west.

    Ms Walters, who was until recently employed by law firm Gordon Legal and was once tipped for a safe Labor seat, was stopped by police more than 300km from ­Melbourne. She was allegedly heading to Adelaide.
    The Herald Sun.

    (h/t Michael Smith)

  217. Bruce of Newcastle

    Scalzi is a scumbag lefty.

    Hehe!
    I was going to suggest Poor Man’s Flight by Elliot Kay. Kay is a real lefty, but the story is good.

  218. Stimpson J. Cat

    Then you can’t call yourself a Catholic, because if you have no need for a confessional then you have no need of god. Stop pretending.

    This is big talk for someone who isn’t even allowed to say Mass or become a Pope.
    Why is that again I wonder.

  219. JC

    Fisky
    #2897962, posted on January 3, 2019 at 8:27 pm

    He’s not talking to me, so can someone ask him how he dreamed up this nonsense?

    He didn’t. The George HW Bush rentboy allegation was a cut and paste from Lyndon LaRouche’s material of the late 80s and early 90s.

    Lol. Okay, so he lifted that from LaRouche’s outfit. But give him a couple of points for originality. Faulthead did come up with the Bond/Connell/AK47s in the warehouse/ aboriginal uprising bullshit on his own.

  220. Bruce of Newcastle

    Oops that should be Poor Man’s Fight. I haven’t gotten around to reading the others in the trilogy.

  221. John Constantine

    https://spectator.us/woke-go-broke/

    get woke go broke.

    Unless you are an australian crony big business that profits more from a crony relationship with unions and government lawmakers than from servicing customers.

    In the shorten looting cartel australia only those declaring wokeness will get government handouts.

    No cash for Quadrant, but rivers of gold for wokeness.

    Once their nbn censors all non wokeness and electronic currency cannot be used to buy non woke books from overseas, it will get a trifle grim.

    comrades.

  222. None

    You better write to the pope Arma and tell him that there is no need for the sacrament of Penance. I mean you’re just perfect and if you can be perfect then anybody else can be perfect ergo no need for confession, no need for absolution, no need for grace, no need for God. Hec Christ didn’t even need to come and redeem us from anything. And that bit about also being reconciled to the church? All b*******. What is the point of the Catholic church Arma? I’m not Catholic. Explain it to me.

  223. Armadillo

    law firm Gordon Legal

    Off shoot of “Slater and Gordon”?

  224. None

    This is big talk for someone who isn’t even allowed to say Mass or become a Pope.
    Why is that again I wonder.

    Hate to break this to use Stimps but I have absolutely no desire to say Mass or be Pope. I don’t fancy Marxism for a start.

  225. Armadillo

    What is the point of the Catholic church Arma

    It’s a tax dodge.

  226. None

    The Setka plot thickens and oh my god to think that Mrs Setka the lush was going to get a labor seat.

  227. Stimpson J. Cat

    Hate to break this to use Stimps but I have absolutely no desire to say Mass or be Pope. I don’t fancy Marxism for a start.

    You aren’t actually a Nun are you None?

  228. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    The Setka plot thickens and oh my god to think that Mrs Setka the lush was going to get a labor seat.

    Michael Smith is arguing that, far from John Setka being kicked out of the Labor Party, the Labor Party is where a stand over merchant and a thug, like Setka, belongs.

  229. Stimpson J. Cat

    EXCLUSIVE: The high-flying lawyer wife of union boss John Setka allegedly blew almost six times the legal alcohol limit on Boxing Day while speeding with her two young children in the car.

    I bet she was speeding to drop the kids off at childcare do she could make a romantic rendezvous with Gunner.
    This has his fingerprints all over it.

  230. None

    Well OK Zulu, I guess Michael Smith has a point.

  231. Armadillo

    Seriously though, we spent Christmas with a Ugandan seiminary who has spent time in Rome. He’s still studying. Wealthy Ugandan apparently. His Dad has 4 wives and he has 20 odd siblings. I’m not kidding.

  232. None

    You aren’t actually a Nun are you None?

    If by that you mean am I lesbian, Stimps, the answer is no definitely not.

  233. entropy

    EXCLUSIVE: The high-flying lawyer wife of union boss John Setka allegedly blew almost six times the legal alcohol limit on Boxing Day while speeding with her two young children in the car.

    Highway patrol officers stopped Emma Walters in western Victoria, with police saying she “returned an ­evidentiary breath test of .282”, just hours after the ­couple argued at their home in Melbourne’s west.
    Ms Walters, who was until recently employed by law firm Gordon Legal and was once tipped for a safe Labor seat, was stopped by police more than 300km from ­Melbourne. She was allegedly heading to Adelaide.

    Clearly drunk if she was heading to Adelaide. They should have checked for drugs too.

  234. None

    Armadillo

    #2898025, posted on January 3, 2019 at 10:04 pm

    the church faces multiple challenges in Africa one of them being polygamy. That that would only affects his father and the wives if they were Christian, not the seminarian.

  235. Armadillo

    None, nice enough bloke, but he spent the entire time on his iPhone and talking about how powerful his Dad was. I asked him how it was possible his Dad had 4 wives? It’s Uganda man. They are working on it.

  236. And besides to think that Christ accepted his suffering with dignity. FFS.

    This is a very strange position you’re putting foward, None. That Christ was not composed before the Sanhedrin and later Pilate. Or before his torturors and murderers. Or before Satan.

  237. Armadillo

    Obey thy father and thy mother?

    Which one?

  238. None

    The priesthood is a respectable profession in many parts of Africa that usually among the poor as it is a bit of a ticket to an education and employment for life. Sometimes even a ticket out of the country. This is not to say that there aren’t many genuine vocations because there are. It will be interesting to see if your Ugandan friend makes it to his final vows.

  239. Armadillo

    There’s actually 14 commandments, yes?

  240. DrBeauGan

    Armadillo
    #2898033, posted on January 3, 2019 at 10:17 pm
    There’s actually 14 commandments, yes?

    That’s even worse than Jordan Peterson.

  241. None

    dover_beach

    #2898030, posted on January 3, 2019 at 10:13 pm

    I know where you’re coming from Dover but you belittle both the significance of the trials and Jesus’ response by merely calling it dignified as well as draw false analogies between Christ’s passion and human suffering by suggesting that there is “nothing more dignified than suffering” (CL) or that “suffering is love” (Stimps/Teresa).

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