A Labor takeover of the Coalition?

Felix sit annus novus.

There are two main ways to win government in a 2 party system: the traditional method of receiving more votes than the other party, or to gradually capture the other party by placing persons who would be equally at ease in either party. In other words, to takeover the other party.

The current pressure on the Liberal Party and National Party to dramatically increase the number of female candidates is a form of the latter. Are there too few women in Parliament? Well in one sense that’s a stupid question – there are as many or as few as voters elect. But the proportion in the Coalition parties is less than in Labor which has introduced a quota system (which it is happy to ignore when a favoured union official wishes to move into the Senate).

Anyhow, in the rush to increase the number of female candidates there will be a tendency for due diligence to be a little haphazard – and I’m not talking of the usual due diligence about dual citizenship, office of profit under the Crown, bankruptcy, convictions etc. No I’m talking of ideological and philosophical convictions.

Conservative parties generally have favoured smaller rather than larger government, individual rights, freedom of association and so forth. They have been anti-identity politics, anti-political correctness and anti-socialist.

But are all the proposed female candidates, and the ones that will be found for the upcoming election (and the one following) of that bent? Why is it that so many Liberal women would seem happy to be members of Labor? Have they chosen the Liberal party because of an opportunity and an easier passage than the hurly burly of Labor?

By all means encourage conservative women to run for office, but in the rush to erect a barrier to protect against claims that the Coalition is anti-women, do not lower standards or allow Labor-like women to grab pre-selection. The best way to destroy the Coalition is for it to become the Labor party.

Or are we inexorably heading to the Henry Ford of government – you can have any government you like, as long as it’s big?

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109 Responses to A Labor takeover of the Coalition?

  1. Rafe Champion

    Big, regulatoyr, obsessed with CO2 and generally politically correct. Tim Wilson for PM.

  2. BrettW

    Has anybody looked at how many Labor women are there due to their Union background ?

  3. miltonf

    LNP have demonstrated beyond any doubt that they are a lost cause. It’s the political class versus the rest of us.

  4. Snoopy

    The luckiest Labor-like women miss out on coalition preselection and opt to stand as rural independents with a one billion dollars campaign war chest.

  5. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    Conservative parties generally have favoured smaller rather than larger government, individual rights, freedom of association and so forth.

    these days… not so much

  6. kc

    Not just labor lite women, also gays seems to be “of that mindset”. Not all , just the majority. Something in their DNA, maybe because they seems to be perpetual “victims”

  7. md

    Conservative parties generally have favoured smaller rather than larger government, individual rights, freedom of association and so forth. They have been anti-identity politics, anti-political correctness and anti-socialist.

    Er, no. What they say and what they do are two entirely different things.

    Acknowledgement to Zippy, who spotted this first.

  8. Bruce

    This caper has been going on since the 1960s.

    The various leftists movements stacked campus “liberal student” clubs and infected the “party hearty” Young Liberal Movement. Thus, instant entre to the “Big Table”.

    LOTS of law students and lawyers hasn’t helped at all, either.

  9. Tom

    Any party that uses quotas is telling voters that its female candidates are second-rate and can’t be elected on merit. Having started behaving like the Liars after the invasion of the Trumble-Photios looney left — because they just made up all that stuff about supporting smaller government and weren’t telling you they actually believe in nothing — so, hey, this just might work — the Lieborals are now eager to join the I-have-a-vagina club.

    Talk about losers.

  10. JohnA

    md #2898989, posted on January 5, 2019, at 8:28 am

    Conservative parties generally have favoured smaller rather than larger government, individual rights, freedom of association and so forth. They have been anti-identity politics, anti-political correctness and anti-socialist.

    Er, no. What they say and what they do are two entirely different things.

    Acknowledgement to Zippy, who spotted this first.

    Zippy and md, IIRC it was Paul Keating who first talked overtly about “getting his hands on the levers of government”, as if leading the majority Parliamentary party was the only means of “running the country” as compared to the traditional view that our MPs were there to serve in the best interests of the people of this commonwealth.

    Ever since that time, Federal politics has been about raw political power. Hence in all parties the rise of the political “class”, the career politician, and the failure to listen to “the deplorables” who actually vote them in or out.

  11. miltonf

    Pretty much like evil merkle’s grand coalition. Major parties come together and give the electorate the finger.

  12. CameronH

    Women on average are more likely to be socialist than men. That is why a political party that has centre right conservative values will naturally have fewer women.

  13. md

    Rafe Champion
    #2898978, posted on January 5, 2019 at 8:02 am
    Big, regulatoyr, obsessed with CO2 and generally politically correct. Tim Wilson for PM.

    We are in desperate trouble. Where is our Donald Trump?

  14. candy

    They can be happy to be either Labor or Liberal because of the tremendous salary, they can breastfeed right in parliament, paid for trips about nothing, money for stylish clothes, always job protected and any unfortunate behavior condoned because female.

    The idea that there is a desire to serve the public is old hat. These are dream jobs for the lady wanting wealth and free child care and Commonwealth cars and her time in the media spotlight.

  15. Any party that uses quotas is telling voters that its female candidates are second-rate and can’t be elected on merit.

    I’ve said this before and I’ll say it again: any theorem that relies upon the assumption that rightwing parties select their candidates based entirely on merit is a joke. You only have to look at the incompetent boobs they preselect now to know that merit has very little to do with it. Any party that continually preselects George Christensen can’t claim to be a meritocracy.

    The LNP would be better off instituting a reverse quota: 70% of winnable seats reserved for people who aren’t gibbering idiots. If they know how to find them.

  16. tombell

    Trouble is Ms Ocasio-Cortez would fit in just fine with segments of the modern, so called, Liberal Party. No doubt Christopher Pyne could sponsor her.

  17. struth

    By all means encourage conservative women to run for office, bu

    Even this statement shows you’ve succumbed to their propaganda.
    Why encourage them?
    Should they not have the desire already?

  18. Sinclair Davidson

    M0nty – the Liberals hardly have a monopoly on incompetence.

  19. Baldrick

    The best way to destroy the Coalition is for it to become the Labor party.

    You’ve obviously been living under a rock the past several years.

  20. struth

    If you stick with the TDS Monty, at least you only make a dick of yourself on the one subject.

  21. bespoke

    I’ve said this before and I’ll say it again: any theorem that relies upon the assumption that rightwing parties select their candidates based entirely on merit is a joke.

    Do you have in you monty to acknowledge that many hear say the same thing can still oppose quotas?

  22. M0nty – the Liberals hardly have a monopoly on incompetence.

    This is true, and on average I reckon the competence of women in Parliament is higher than that of men. All good arguments for quotas. The reign of men with shit for brains must end!

  23. Do you have in you monty to acknowledge that many hear say the same thing can still oppose quotas?

    What?

  24. struth

    And Ludicrous. ……..this post is stating the bleeding obvious.
    Left wingers only want quotas where it matters politically.
    Who knew?

  25. struth

    It’s simple monty and why you are making a dick of yourself.
    If explaining things to you actually worked someone might do it.

  26. Tom

    … on average I reckon the competence of women in Parliament is higher than that of men.

    Bwahahahaha.

    That tells us so much about you and the shemale doormats on the left.

  27. entropy

    This is true, and on average I reckon the competence of women in Parliament is higher than that of men. All good arguments for quotas. The reign of men with shit for brains must end!

    Name them! Name them!

  28. Robber Baron

    Will Martin Parkinson retain his job under Shorten?

  29. Bruce of Newcastle

    If you set party quotas for some segment of society then you aren’t appointing on merit.
    Shouldn’t Australia be run by the best and most competent people?

  30. Shouldn’t Australia be run by the best and most competent people?

    But enough about the incoming Shorten government.

  31. candy

    The incoming Shorten government is I believe committed to quotas for gays and lndigenous folk.
    Intetesting times.

  32. struth

    But enough about the incoming Shorten government.

    So now we must take it that Sco Mo’s socialists are going to win!

  33. a happy little debunker

    We need to mandate selection of every single minority.

    Single pregnant females. Married pregnant females, Unmarried but pregnant Women who identify as men, Unmarried but pregnant men who identify as women (called Stan) – etcetera, etcetera.

    Don’t get me started on the ethnic or ‘cultural’ representation in Parliament – we could be here all day…

  34. Dr Fred Lenin

    The way to destroy all this political fascist corruption is to abolish career politics ,limit “service” to one term in a ljfetime and limit donations to political parties to $10 per person or organisation per year . That would destroy the political aparat ,then one year contracts for all persons paid from taxpayers funds ,salaries performance based and self funded super. And all laws subjest to referenda and permission from the voters
    Watch the maggots squirm under this regime , talk about ethnic cleansing this would make that look small . Just imagine a country governed nby the people for the people .

  35. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    But enough about the incoming Shorten government.

    The rooster that says he’ll run Australia they way he ran the unions? The same mindset that gave us “the recession we had to have?” 17% interest rates won’t worry me, monty, good luck if you have a mortgage.

  36. struth

    If you are chosing people for work based on their sex, you are a sexist.
    If you do this based on race, you are racist.
    It’s discrimination based on these things, against those you, as the social engineer (hitler) don’t pick.

    Who gets to play god here?
    Forget the benefits of merit, because of course it’s the best way to go, but again, for just a second, understand the pure arrogance of those who think they are gods, that should get to make the decisions when it’s not based on merit.
    This is the left in all it’s authoritarianism.
    It will social engineer all, and will pick the winners it wants and the losers.
    Merit takes that power away.
    If it isn’t merit, it’s undemocratic authoritarianism, and social engineering of the worst kind.
    And , just like this socialist behaviour in the past, especially from Hitler, it leads to the collapse of civilisation and complete misery.

  37. min

    I know my local rep has 2 small children who probably do not recognise who the stranger is when there is time to be at home . So I would reckon other members of the family miss out as well .
    The work load is unbelievable , when not in Canberra and back in the electorate, there are constant functions to attend , meeting constituents, giving presentations all documented in the newsletter so one can follow the effort required. Then there is the office staff in 2 places ,even though there will be a good office manager, they still require “maintenance” . There are probably more jobs. I have not even thought about.
    Then there is the lack of a sex life, if one is faithful, . Who would want to be a politician ? What for Altruism , power, to be recognised, money in super?
    Who also is the home support person? That requires a certain personality as well .

  38. struth

    Our constitution has nothing about parties.
    Nothing about Prime Ministers, etc.
    If we had no parties we’d have to take an interest in our local rep, and we’d get to chose them.
    Right now we have no democracy at all.
    Party power brokers pick your representative, (and they’re left wing) and so you basically vote for the Prime Minister through your local rep, and then the party changes Prime Ministers on you!
    Add to this compulsory preferential voting and a corrupt AEC, and please explain where there is any democracy in this country?

    If we had democracy, there would be coal fired , cheap electricity, no Mussie immigration, as a matter of fact, bugger all immigration at the moment, there would be no talk of signing our sovereignty away to the UN, no gender benders attacking our school kids, etc.
    There is no democracy at all.
    Not the slightest.

  39. You lot can bleat about merit all you like, but it is clear to all and sundry that conservatism as a movement does not attract the best and brightest. The whole reason for its existence is to maintain privilege of elites, long beyond the point where self-made entrepreneurs added value, into later generations who squander the work of their ancestors. LNP preselection is the opposite of a meritocracy.

    Would a quota fix this situation? It’s worth a try, because the status quo produces no-raters. How else would you shake up preselection practices in major parties?

  40. struth

    The work load is unbelievable ,

    Oh please, I hope you are being sarcastic.

  41. struth

    You lot can bleat about merit all you like, but it is clear to all and sundry that conservatism as a movement does not attract the best and brightest.

    No , you absolute dribbling carcass, the Liberal party is not a conservative movement, and has been taken over by the left.
    How many fucking times do we need to tell you this, FFS?!
    Cori Bernardi compared to Sarah Sea Patrol?

    But again, don’t go near the real problem with it not being merit, then totalitarians get to decide.
    Sexist authoritarians.
    Anything but democracy, hey monster?
    You’re pathetic in your side stepping but plowing on wrecking.

  42. If Bernardi and his party of no-names is your idea of the zenith of meritocracy, you’re a complete idiot.

  43. bespoke

    min
    #2899069, posted on January 5, 2019 at 10:12 am

    Are they smart enough to realize its big government is to blame for there personal life.

  44. struth

    but it is clear to all and sundry that conservatism as a movement does not attract the best and brightest.

    Sarah sea patrol or Bernardi, Monster?
    Shall we dig up Labor guys singing at Whyalla?
    Kevvie sitting in parliament eating his lunch straight from his ears?
    The frothing feminist arseholes constantly dribbling shit picked by totalitarians in the Labor party.
    How we could keep that going all day.

    The Australian conservatives would be the brightest bunch of pollies generally speaking of any party, precisely because they are more of a meritocracy than the two left wing majors.
    You’re the one making the claim about brightness in conservative ranks.

    The dumbest freak show in politics occurs the further left you go.
    The greens and then Labor.
    You can’t get thicker than someone who supports socialism after history has shown us what it does.

    I would suggest that maybe you’re not the guy to be offering an opinion here.

  45. Tim Neilson

    If Bernardi and his party of no-names

    Kevin Bailey, Victorian Senate candidate for ACP.
    Former SAS officer.
    Highly successful business founder.
    Order of Australia for contributions to the nation – a real AM too, not a public servant/politician one.

    Maybe not a “name”, but then again maybe monty is failing to distinguish between real evidence of merit and an episode of the Kardashians.

  46. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Active encouragement of women is fine as long as they are not socialist in mindset (which too many are); quotas are never a good idea, nor a good look. What woman with any integrity and spirit wants to be part of a ‘quota’? It is true that fewer women fit the conservative bill than fit into the Labor Party, as Labor collects the ardent socialist feminists and LGBTI activists; all ’cause seekers’. Conservative women need to become political in these gender-war days to protect the idea of equality of justice and opportunity for both sexes (not a skewing of it towards women), and also to bring pressure for a small-government future for the economic advancement of all. These women are out there, Liberals. Chase them. Entice them with the possibilities of political life as actors rather than commentators: Bettina Arndt, Peta Credlin, Rita Panahi come immediately to mind, and many others less well known but equally as forthright.

  47. entropy

    still waiting for monty to list the all the more competent female compared with all the male politicians.

    Or he should just admit he is wrong as the competence distribution is likely similar. And it should be obvious, in recent years competence is a neg for preselection. Allegiance to the faction is all.

  48. entropy

    Emily’s listers = token.

  49. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Kevin Bailey, Victorian Senate candidate for ACP.
    Former SAS officer.
    Highly successful business founder.

    Our own Riccardo Bosi too; similarly real, charismatic and military.
    Aust Cons are also putting up two excellent female candidates.
    There is no shortage of talent although I do think there is a shortage of exposure for it.

  50. Snoopy

    Why should anyone be actively encouraged to enter politics?

    And Bettina Arndt is a bit long in the tooth to commence a career in politics.

  51. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    You can’t get thicker than someone who supports socialism after history has shown us what it does.
    I would suggest that maybe you’re not the guy to be offering an opinion here.

    Beautifully put, Struth.

  52. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    still waiting for monty to list the all the more competent female compared with all the male politicians.

    Carmen Lawrence and Joan Kirner would head the list, surely?

  53. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Why should anyone be actively encouraged to enter politics?
    And Bettina Arndt is a bit long in the tooth to commence a career in politics.

    Re Question 1: Because men are. It’s how pre-selections work. I’ve seen a few.

    Re Question 2: Golda Meir. Older women can dispense with a lot of the ‘woman’ stuff and just get on with the job.

  54. miltonf

    Margaret Thatcher oops forget that she’s not a woman on Glenda Jackson’s terms.

  55. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Older women can dispense with a lot of the ‘woman’ stuff and just get on with the job.

    Unless, of course, they are making a play on it. Hillarious Clinton, for instance.
    Also, Clinton was seriously unwell, and only a fit woman should take politics on.

  56. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Kevin Bailey, Victorian Senate candidate for ACP.
    Former SAS officer.
    Highly successful business founder.

    Our own Riccardo Bosi too; similarly real, charismatic and military.

    A hardened Lefty, like monty, would probably be stupid enough to call two former offers of the Special Air Service Regiment “no-names”, and wonder why he was being rolled down the street with his head jammed up his ar$e.

  57. calli

    Any party that uses quotas is telling voters that its female candidates are second-rate and can’t be elected on merit.

    Nailed it. It’s odious, but dopey women will hold their noses and go with it because bucket of cash and power.

    I trust none of them. None.

  58. Snoopy

    Re Question 1: Because men are. It’s how pre-selections work. I’ve seen a few.

    That’s how you ended up with Kerryn Phelps.

  59. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    This is true, and on average I reckon the competence of women in Parliament is higher than that of men. All good arguments for quotas. The reign of men with shit for brains must end!

    man boobs is transitioning before our very eyes

  60. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Carmen Lawrence and Joan Kirner would head the list, surely?

    Weren’t they great? Memory-loss Lawrence and Incapability Kirner.

    But let us not diss all women by the memories of those who tried and dismally failed.
    Labor does that to women, wheels them out in troubled times when all of their socialist and feminist deficiencies come to the fore as they flail around in despair and misery.
    The conservative side should do better.

  61. bespoke

    Maybe monty’s a contrarian who’s goal is to sharpen and intrench conservative opinions.

  62. miltonf

    Concepts of merit and competence are social constructs as far as cultural marxists are concerned. Their lives are so insulated and removed from practical realities that their comfortable lives (good food, water out of the tap you can drink and sewerage) are taken for granted like the sun coming up in the east.

  63. Snoopy

    Golda Meir didn’t enter politics at age 69.

  64. Dr Faustus

    it is clear to all and sundry that conservatism as a movement does not attract the best and brightest. The whole reason for its existence is to maintain privilege of elites

    This is a simple truth that applies equally to conservative and ‘progressive’ politics.

    The degrading processes involved in entering and participating in ‘movement politics’ would choke a normal person. But not so much those who see it as a career path to joining the ‘elite’ at the bottomless trough of status, self-regard and lifetime remuneration.

    Any thoughtful observer can see real-life examples of smart, effective, dedicated Australians who work hard to achieve results in complex situations. Harder to see evidence of anyone even approaching “best and brightest” anywhere in Australian government.

    Shorten may indeed be the best and brightest of the ALP parliamentarians, or parliamentarians of all flavours – but he has crawled over a depressingly low bar.

  65. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    That’s how you ended up with Kerryn Phelps.

    Good Lord, Snoopy. I didn’t end up with her. I was in Africa during that by-election. 😀
    Blame Malcontent. Phelps needed no encouragement. She, like Mal, is a complete zealot.
    Independents are often like that; foolish, misinformed, tunnel-visioned, riding a zeitgeist.

  66. miltonf

    So we have PHON, AC and ALA. They all have their good performers. Still seems to me the Pauline and Latho are the only ones really cutting through.

  67. Ivan Denisovich

    Under queer (lgbtqxyz) theory, any man can declare himself a woman at any time based on feelin’ it and the world must accept. Quota defeated.

  68. Ivan Denisovich

    still waiting for monty to list the all the more competent female compared with all the male politicians.

    Me too.

  69. entropy

    from now on my name is Loretta.

  70. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Golda Meir didn’t enter politics at age 69.

    69 is something we may all aspire to, Snoopy. Bettina Arndt would know that. 😉
    She is a woman with a most interesting CV. Well known, and appreciated by many.

    Bob Hawke, a man, was also a late entrant to ‘politics’, after his ACTU Presidency days.
    Bettina Arndt has been similarly well-schooled in the general political arena.
    Far more than the airhead Keryn Phelps, who is how old? No spring chicken, I wot.
    If Arndt wanted the job of MHR, age should be no barrier to her.

  71. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    from now on my name is Loretta.

    Can we take it now Entropy that although you have no uterus, you have ‘the right’ to have babies?

    God forfend us, that was once a joke.

  72. Leo G

    … on average I reckon the competence of women in Parliament is higher than that of men.

    Reckoning that competence to mean the sufficiency of means to live at ease from the proceeds of government, I think women parliamentarians are clearly lagging behind their male counterparts.

  73. Bruce of Newcastle

    You lot can bleat about merit all you like, but it is clear to all and sundry that conservatism Photiosism as a movement does not attract the best and brightest.

    There you go M0nty, I fixes it for you!

  74. struth

    This is true, and on average I reckon the competence of women in Parliament is higher than that of men. All good arguments for quotas. The reign of men with shit for brains must end!

    Beta position.
    Thinks it’ll help him look cool in front of the chicky babes.

    Wanker.

    Who encouraged Margaret Thatcher to enter politics based on her gender?
    Women and men may be encouraged to enter politics by people who think they would be good at it, not because of their sex, because of merit only.
    There is no reason on god’s green earth for genitalia to play are part in this.
    If women were inclined to be naturally conservative, you wouldn’t hear boo about quotas from the left, that is a given.
    No one screamed poor Sarah Palin.
    Ever.

  75. candy

    I think we will find the ladies will want quotas as do the indigs and gays etc as it is an easier ride.
    Human nature to want stuff without putting in the effort.
    Why would a person feel ashamed when the job is freely given even though they don’t have the qualification?
    They may feel lucky or it is their due.

  76. old bloke

    Felix sit annus novus.

    My Latin is a bit rusty, is Lucy saying “the cat sits on a new arse”?

  77. Boambee John

    m0nty
    #2899005, posted on January 5, 2019 at 8:56 am
    Any party that uses quotas is telling voters that its female candidates are second-rate and can’t be elected on merit.

    I’ve said this before and I’ll say it again: any theorem that relies upon the assumption that rleftwing parties select their candidates based entirely on merit is a joke. You only have to look at the incompetent boobs they preselect now to know that merit has very little to do with it. Any party that continually preselects legal and union hacks can’t claim to be a meritocracy.

    The ALP would be better off instituting a reverse quota: 70% of winnable seats reserved for people who aren’t gibbering idiots. If they know how to find them.

    Fixed that for you, fascist lackey.

  78. Boambee John

    min at 1012

    What for Altruism , power, to be recognised, money in super?

    With most of the current political class, it is power first and foremost, that gives them their sexual jollies, then money, then recognition, then other things, with altruism a long way back.

  79. Pete D.

    Et tibi.
    I read the first paragraph and thought for a fleeting moment you were introducing a piece about Labor’s best ever Prime Minister, Malcolm Turnbull.
    I was discussing the somewhat deplorable state of Australian politics with a little overly vocal member of the fairer sex. I happened to mention that instead of trying to fill quotas at pre-selection time for equal numbers of men and women, why not just select the best person for the job. Oh no!! how stupid could I be? The response was along the lines of ;”Who cares, just put them up for selection. They will only be politicians.” I did not procede with the discussion any futrher. I had just won my side of the argument.

  80. OldOzzie

    Perfect Description of Australian Politicians

    The New Kakistocracy

    The Democrats have taken over the House of Representatives and the worst possible people are now in charge.

    Kakistocracy is a badly underused word which needs to make a major comeback this year, as it is perfectly descriptive of the cabal of loons, clowns, demagogues, crooks and halfwits who are now in charge of the House of Representatives.

    The literal definition of the word is a system of government which is run by the worst, least qualified, or most unscrupulous citizens. It’s been around for a few hundred years, but overtaken by others perhaps more colorful to describe slimeball government. Kleptocracy, for example, has a real ring to it.

    Summing a US Female Politician as follows

    But in surveying the crowd now in charge, who elected Nancy Pelosi for another tour of duty as the Speaker of the House, it’s not enough to call this a kleptocracy or an idiocracy. There are for certain crooks and idiots among the new House majority, and even within its leadership and committee chairs.

    But there is so much more depravity and disqualification than that. Kakistocracy is really the word.

    Start with Pelosi, who’s a proven commodity. She got four years as House Speaker from 2007-2011, after which the American people reacted to her governance as they would a rabid coyote in the front yard. She’s hardly improved since — if anything, the episodic moonbattery, unnatural facial tics, brazen public untruths, and irrational pronouncements have become even more frequent and frightening than they were a dozen years ago. That’s not a surprise given Pelosi’s age and clearly declining faculties.

  81. Boambee John

    m0nty at 1013

    The whole reason for its existence is to maintain privilege of elites

    This from the fascist who, in his cups a couple of weeks ago, called for government by elites!

    The fascist likes elites, but only as long as they think like him.

  82. Dr Fred Lenin

    I have been calling the political party here the National Gangrene Laboral Party , for years ,its been a Twedledumb and Tweedledumber situation , , now if we abolish career politics ,govern by referenda and stop funding political aparatcjiks by donation and bribes, we might be on the way to real democracy and rule by the people .

  83. egg_

    Any party that continually preselects George Christensen can’t claim to be a meritocracy.

    Crap.
    Manboobs are the hybrid candidate.

  84. egg_

    Any party that uses quotas is telling voters that its female candidates are second-rate and can’t be elected on merit.

    Bimbocracy.

  85. Cynic of Ayr

    Coupla/few things…
    1. For once, Luc seems to be a bit rational, and makes sorta sense;
    2. Women – the thoughtless ones, say, “We want equality with Men! We want equal pay – same as Men. We want to have jobs the same as Men (except the really dirty ones!) We want to be allocated special treatment in candidature, different to Men!” The irony!;
    3. Look no further then Turnbull or Pyne, to prove that the Labor Party has succeeded in getting their Members elected to the Liberal Party. Yes, I know, multiply by twenty.
    4. Boiling frog!
    5. A few years ago, not being all that au fait with US Politics, I asked a knowledgeable friend what the difference was between the Democrats and the Republicans? That is who was who? He replied that the Democrats were like our Liberal Party, and the Republicans were further to the Right. That was when the US was at probably at it’s peak. Now, the Republicans are like the Democrats were, (or even more to the Left?) and the Democrats are rank card carrying Socialists. (They call themselves Socialists, because calling themselves “Communists” sorta doesn’t fly all that well, and they don’t want the voters to really know up that they’re really Communists, and yearn for Venezuela.) I feel the same has happened here. The Libs are Labor, and Labor are total Socialists (Communists.) The Nats are resisting, but no one seems to care or want to help. People are degority to the Nats, as they consider they are just Farmers. “Just” Farmers! As if farming was inferior to – I dunno – say an Economist?
    My personal opinion – worthless I know – is the the Nats could be made into a great Right Wing Party. Recall that the Nats won an extra seat in the last election. Turnbull never, ever, acknowledges that the Nats gave him a one seat majority.

  86. Bushkid

    Correct me if I’m wrong, but isn’t that Congresswoman Tlaib in the USA the one who married her own brother to (ahem) avoid negative consequences of the immigration act?

    If so, how is she permitted to even stand for election?

  87. Bushkid

    Cynic of Ayr
    #2899305, posted on January 5, 2019 at 2:38 pm

    Agree on all points, Cynic, especially about farmers being “just farmers”!

    Squeeze out and kill off all our farmers, and enjoy the fruits of your food grown in human excrement in China, and packaged in Un Zud to make it look acceptable.

    (Mind you, I recall a semi-recent incident when the mostly-dried product of a Toowoomba effluent farm was involved in an accident on its way to a vegetable farm in the Lockyer Valley. Covered the offending ute that caused the bingle in said mostly-dried product! So do wash your fresh veggies before eating, eh.)

  88. I’m sure Kevin Bailey is a lovely bloke. AC should use him more. Does he get any media oxygen, or does Cory eat it all up? The way the party is structured at the moment, I am not sure Bailey can get much profile.

    He’d be an interesting Cat OP writer, I reckon.

  89. As for pointing to competent female politicians, the embodiment of this argument was that time that Penny Wong went into negotiations over the ETS with Ian Macfarlane. It was like watching a nurse take care of a doddery old fart at a retirement village. She had to do everything but wipe his bum.

  90. DrBeauGan

    The Wong chap being smarter than Ian MacFarlane isn’t evidence for your claim that women are generally more competent than men, m0nty. You are smarter than Ian MacFarlane.

  91. DaveR

    Until Morrison can actually explain to voters in crystal clear terms why it was totally necessary for Turnbull to be removed, there is no moving forward. It means that surviving ministers can continue unfettered with their Turnbull (labor-lite) commentaries, and coalition policies remain un-reformed. There is no clear distinction between Labor and conservative. Why wont the Nationals act if Morrison is incapable?

  92. miltonf

    Because I think the Nats have been infiltrated and taken over as well. I was waiting for Joyce to do a McEwan in 2015 but it never happened.

  93. Bushkid:

    Correct me if I’m wrong, but isn’t that Congresswoman Tlaib in the USA the one who married her own brother to (ahem) avoid negative consequences of the immigration act?

    If so, how is she permitted to even stand for election?

    Because she has a vagina?
    Because she’s a silly woman and didn’t mean to defraud the Law?
    Because she’s a woman and is held to a different standard of conduct and probity?

  94. Buccaneer

    Bwahaha, Monty bleating about protecting privilege and supporting a party that is backed by a movement that has to openly intimidate people into joining it, while the leader of said party has been exposed making deals to take away the benefits of his members for the express advantage of the people Monty claims are privileged. My bet is he’ll read this and still not get it.

  95. J.H.

    Actually Turnbull has succinctly shown us that we don’t have a “Two Party System”…. What we have is a Single Political Elite who play good cop, bad cop with the electorate, while a permanent and increasingly hereditary Bureaucracy increases the Taxpool and the regulatory burden on the Citizenry….. We also have an utterly incurious Press, not to mention a State funded Media Organ that is basically omnipotent.

    China must be in awe of our political system that pretends freedoms none of us actually enjoy while declaring how fukin’ lucky we are, while we all lap it up…. After all, Andrew Bolt wrote two articles that pointed out that laws that provide funding and privilege based on Race is racist in and of itself and encourages the racial divide instead of fixing it… Found himself tried, convicted and banned for being “Racist”. Mao and Stalin would have proud of that outcome.

    Could get depressing if one took it too much to heart.

  96. Rockdoctor

    And the person who is being the most visible over the week about this is a walking advertisement against quotas & Photios type patronage. She would have have made an average backbencher but her ambition got in the way and she has singularly mismanaged Defence, too early on FA yet however early signs aren’t good but thinks she is some high flying rockstar… Yup lets get more mediocre candidates & shut out those who could make a difference. Certain to be a winning strategy (sarc)….

  97. Ian

    Labor have aready taken over the Libs. They are now targetting the remaining Libs worth voting for.

  98. miltonf

    Astute observation JH.

  99. egg_

    Actually Turnbull has succinctly shown us that we don’t have a “Two Party System”…. What we have is a Single Political Elite who play good cop, bad cop with the electorate, while a permanent and increasingly hereditary Bureaucracy increases the Taxpool and the regulatory burden on the Citizenry….. We also have an utterly incurious Press, not to mention a State funded Media Organ that is basically omnipotent.

    Add crony Capitalism and there’s your modern Media-Industrial Complex.

  100. egg_

    Monty bleating about protecting privilege and supporting a party that is backed by a movement that has to openly intimidate people into joining it, while the leader of said party has been exposed making deals to take away the benefits of his members for the express advantage of the people Monty claims are privileged.

    Two-faced Bill?

  101. Ivan Denisovich

    As for pointing to competent female politicians, the embodiment of this argument was that time that Penny Wong went into negotiations over the ETS with Ian Macfarlane

    Competent Penny, LOL:

    AUSTRALIA’S most iconic beaches, including Sydney’s Bondi and surfing mecca Bells beach, could erode away or recede by hundreds of meters over the coming century, the nation’s Climate Change Minister Penny Wong said yesterday.

    https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/national/wong-says-beaches-could-erode-away/news-story/5f879bb27814e357a8862ee2fa2aa947

    Parliament desperately needs more of the wisdom of women.

  102. bollux

    Wot about trannies. We need more trannies.

  103. MACK

    In Australia, it is unlawful to discriminate on the basis of a number of protected attributes including age and gender. (Sex Discrimination Act 1984.)
    However, the AHRC only talks about discrimination against women.
    https://www.humanrights.gov.au/our-work/sex-discrimination/about-sex-discrimination
    It’s time for men to stand up for themselves.

  104. JB of Sydney/Shanghai

    I think that JH and egg have pretty much summed up our miserable position in Australia, today.

    One thing to add….It looks as if China is doing almost everything more efficiently than Australia, they make no apologies for being a one Party Government.

    Why should they?
    Their system works far better than ours, financially Chinese are getting far richer, we are getting much poorer. They seem to be coping with troublesome Islam far better than the West, they are building infrastructure and manufacturing at a n incredible speed….wisely they are using Australian coal, which we demonise.
    Not many lunatic lefties in the Chinese media, beer is cheap. Air is often a bit murky, though.

  105. Clam Chowdah

    Order of Australia for contributions to the nation – a real AM too, not a public servant/politician one.

    Oh fuck off.

  106. Clam Chowdah

    As for pointing to competent female politicians, the embodiment of this argument was that time that Penny Wong went into negotiations over the ETS with Ian Macfarlane. It was like watching a nurse take care of a doddery old fart at a retirement village. She had to do everything but wipe his bum.

    Another balanced judgement from the Cat’s Lord Denning.

    Never stop believing in yourself, Montay.

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