Repugnance and compulsory voting

This morning my social media accounts have filled up with politicians engaging in virtue signalling. There was an altercation yesterday between “far right” groups and anti-racism groups (apparently not “far left” groups) at St. Kilda beach. Unfortunately the term “far right” has become so debased these days it is hard to know  exactly what constitutes “far right”.  Incitement to violence and public affray are a matter for the police and, quite rightly, the police were in attendance.

What I have seen on social media is politicians heaping abuse on the “far right” group and their fellow travellers. UnAustralian and such like.  Words like “repugnant” are being bandied about. It seems the views of a subset of our fellow citizens are repugnant. Okay. This must always be true. But so what? As a society we regulate behaviour and not viewpoints – the attempt to regulate views has led to all sorts of difficulty in recent years.

Other politicians, however, have sought partisan advantage from yesterday’s event.

To be fair she isn’t alone in this behaviour – all politicians make this or a similar argument at some point.  I seem to recall all sorts of silliness when the Abbott government (or was it the then opposition?) didn’t want to rely on a vote in the Parliament.  What SHY is saying here is merely an example of a broader political tactic that gets deployed in Australia on a regular basis.

In his defence Fraser Anning makes a valid democratic argument:

I’m here representing a lot of people from Queensland who wish they could be here.

Now we can quibble – Senators represent their states and not individual voters, he is a stop-gap Senator, not many people voted for him, and so on; but he does have a point. The “far right” in Australia are compelled to vote – along with the rest of us – and are just as entitled in a democracy to have their views represented in the Parliament as anyone else.  That also means that their representatives’ votes in the Parliament must also be counted. So the argument that Senator X or MP Y votes shouldn’t be counted in the Parliament is always wrong and undemocratic – especially so when voters are compelled to vote.  It seems a bit hypocritical to herd the electorate out at gunpoint to vote and then to disregard their elected representatives if and when they turn out to hold “repugnant” views.

On the other hand though – the place where politicians should be representing their constituents is in the Parliament, and not on the street confronting the police. Again Anning isn’t the only culprit here – many politicians seem to think that it is appropriate to participate in public protests.

It seems to me that the solution to public protest isn’t disfranchisement of the protesters or their representatives.

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141 Responses to Repugnance and compulsory voting

  1. Rusty of Qld

    All politicians should have to sign a declaration that they support free speech as a foundation of our democracy and will resign if they fail to so do. Included in the wording ” I do not agree with what you say but will defend to my death your right to say it” How many and whom would sign?
    p.s. We don’t have compulsory voting, we have compulsory attendance to get your name scratched off the list you can do what you like with your ballot paper.

  2. Confused Old Misfit

    … and not on the street confronting the police.

    If not, why not?
    Why should the two be mutually exclusive?

  3. Tel

    Let it be on the record that Hanson-Young is calling these people “Nazis”.

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-01-05/fraser-anning-in-st-kilda-1/10687162

    Even after they were driven out of their own country by communism, now they need to suffer again at the hands of white middle-class Green Party empty heads.

    Let it also be on record that Hanson-Young supports the idea of victim blaming, claiming that those people who had violence inflicted upon them were somehow “inciting” and therefore deserved it. So, ummmm, is victim blaming now also OK when women wear short skirts?

  4. Tiny Dancer

    Idiots brandishing swastikas and giving one armed salutes do not help their cause.

  5. Singleton Engineer

    Point taken, Tiny Dancer, but how many arms do you use when saluting?

    Perhaps, “stiff armed salute”?

  6. Sinclair Davidson

    p.s. We don’t have compulsory voting, we have compulsory attendance to get your name scratched off the list you can do what you like with your ballot paper.

    No. Voting is compulsory – what you refer to is an enforcement problem.

  7. Sinclair Davidson

    Idiots brandishing swastikas and giving one armed salutes do not help their cause.

    Indeed.

  8. stackja

    On the other hand though – the place where politicians should be representing their constituents is in the Parliament, and not on the street confronting the police.

    Parliamentarians are no longer representing their constituents in parliament. Just following the party line. In parliament FA is criticised for his choice of words.

  9. Singleton Engineer

    Oh, before I go… Fraser Anning has the distinction of dabbling with both Pauline Hanson’s One Nation Party and Katter’s Australia Party and being dumped by both. While not a supporter of either party, I support their decisions. The man’s a loose cannon.

  10. Roger

    The man’s a loose cannon.

    But is he a neo-Nazi racist? That’s a very serious charge.

    Cf. Alinsky’s Rules for Radicals # 13.

  11. Mak Siccar

    Sorry Prof Sinc but I believe you are incorrect and Rusty is correct. Voting as such is not compulsory. Once your name has been scratched off, you have met your obligation because thereafter you can do anything to or write anything on your ballot paper, provided then you place it inside the ballot box. The real problem is that is compulsory to number all squares (for the house of Reps). This I object to most strongly and believe that I should be allowed to number one square only if I so choose, i.e., the minimum quantity of squares that should numbered should equal the number of candidates to be elected (one for the Reps, 12? for 5he Senate).

  12. 2dogs

    To be consistent, Sarah Hanson-Young should be against accepting taxing, or any other exercise of sovereignty, over the people who voted for Fraser Anning.

  13. DoomLord:

    Idiots brandishing swastikas and giving one armed salutes do not help their cause.

    Has anyone identified them to ensure they are not agents provocateurs?
    Needs to happen.

  14. Tel

    No. Voting is compulsory – what you refer to is an enforcement problem.

    Nonsense, the choice to spoil your vote is a built-in and inseparable feature of the secret ballot.

    Besides that, even ignoring informal votes, voting is still not compulsory because religious objection is considered reasonable (JW’s don’t vote, nor do they show up and spoil their ballots, they simply follow their conscience and when asked about it they state their religious objection).

  15. Sinclair Davidson

    Some detail on compulsory voting here.

  16. Tel

    I like the self-serve checkouts in the supermarket because I only buy a handful of things, and those checkouts are always fastest.

    At places like McMaccas I don’t buy much from there, my order is something like “A long black coffee” or “Medium coke”. I figure with those kind of things the person at the checkout can punch a button on their console about as fast a I can, and while I’m there they can take a couple of bucks as well.

    Using a credit card for anything under five bucks is dumbarse, use cash you tools.

  17. Rusty of Qld

    Hi Sinc,
    I go to the polling station get my name scratched off the list put my ballot paper in my pocket and walk out. I haven’t voted but I have been forced by compulsion of law to get my name scratched off the list, I haven’t been forced to vote.

  18. Eyrie

    “Idiots brandishing swastikas and giving one armed salutes do not help their cause.”
    As above they could be agents provocateurs, or maybe if you are going to be called a Nazi anyway, whatever you do, they are taking the piss.

  19. Sinclair Davidson

    Rusty of Qld – that’s the Kim Beazley argument. Strictly in violation of s233 of the Electoral Act.

    Next thing I’ll be told that speeding and drink-drinking isn’t illegal because you didn’t get caught.

  20. Tel

    Sinc, if you want to start interpreting the law and deciding what it means, start with the Australian Constitution and where it says that forcible wealth distribution between states is acceptable, which part authorizes the Australian military to invade Iraq and Afghanistan, why there is a Commonwealth department of education, on what basis the Commonwealth can tell you what you are allowed to consume?

    No one cares of course, because laws are words on paper but government does whatever it can get away with… just like everyone else does.

  21. Dorothy

    Rusty of Queensland
    There is a difference between the Australian system of being able to not actually vote on your paper (which I will be doing as I would never vote labour and the Liberal party has given me no reason to vote for them) after having your name ticked off and non compulsory voting is that those who just turn up because it is compulsory will just vote without any thought as they have had to turn up anyway and risk a fine. It would be better if they kept away as with non compulsory voting
    The system here of being able to vote anywhere is open to multiple voting, in the UK you can only vote in your ward.

  22. AussieMAGA

    much of this anti-racism/anti-‘far right’ virtue signalling stems simply from cowardice. i.e. leftists and other degenerates are too cowardly to make reasonable demands of minorities (or object to their unreasonable demands) . They are driven by fear not of their purported targets, but fear of standing up for themselves.

    These cowards will then embrace white guilt narratives, and condemn white people who do stand up for themselves (AKA ‘bigots’/’racist’), as a way of justifying their cowardice, restoring their ego made fragile by cowardice, and pretend they are virtuous/morally superior by not being like the ‘bigots’ and acquiescing to unreasonable minority demands.

    if u look at these anti-racists (commies), all u see is a bunch of weak, cowardly people desperate to be protected from the world

  23. Eyrie

    I talked to Fraser Anning for an hour in his office a few weeks ago about another topic.
    He didn’t strike me as a Nazi or a loose cannon.
    If you actually watch his maiden speech in the Senate, you a see a man who is somewhat nervous and not used to public speaking. The “final solution” phrase was taken out of context by the lefties and he certainly didn’t emphasise the words. Would it have made a difference if he had said “ultimate solution” referring to holding a referendum on Australia’s migrant intake and who is let in? I bet the lefties would have said that sounded like “final solution” and hounded him anyway while giving him free publicity. The left are easy to troll and in politics name recognition is everything.
    Was he actually a part of the protest or did he go to observe? I’ve seen other pollies and aspiring same turn up to all sorts of public meetings.

  24. John Constantine

    When does literally toxic Nazi lose its punch?.

    Historically, the elite classes look down upon those they despise and call them scum.

    Then the scum decide if they are being called Nazi scum anyway, they might as well act like it.

    Calling everybody you despise a Nazi, but expecting them to still behave like Wodehouse gentlemen towards you is a death spiral strategy.

    Call me one until I really act like one, and don’t stop.

    We will be lucky if it stops at yellow vest carbeques.

    Comrades.

  25. Rusty of Qld

    Hi Sinc,
    I get your point, but I am in an absolutely brain dead electorate that would vote ALP even if the candidate was a child molesting rapist and the rest of the self seeking grifters are no better.So I have my pathetic little protest, it’s all I can do.

  26. Bela Bartok

    It’s the nomenclature.
    Far-left idiots promoting socialism and mass immigration and wanting to destroy capitalism = normal people with sensible positions.
    Anyone against them = Nazi
    The leftie protestors should be pilloried just as much as the goose-steppers, but are given a free pass.
    Welcome to kakistan – if you protest the protestors you’re an outcast.
    Resistance is futile. Accept the words of our betters or else.

  27. Robbo

    Your take on this is quite correct Sinc. I would have thought that after all the rubbish that she spewed out of her mouth over the past years that the penny might have dropped with SHY that she should think, and then think again, before she drops her latest bubble thought. Of course that would mean she would need some basic intelligence so there is little hope she will ever get anything right. I will always stand up for the three major freedoms, freedom of speech, freedom of association and freedom of religion. In doing so I know that idiots like SHY will continue to gnaw away until those freedoms are either badly eroded or eliminated.

  28. Sinclair Davidson

    Tel – I’m in full agreement that politicians, the courts and bureaucrats treat the constitution with contempt. In the same way they treat the electorate with contempt. Yet I’m not convinced that this means that voting is not compulsory. The electoral act states that it is, the courts have enforced compulsory voting, and the elites want voting to be compulsory.

  29. Bosnich

    Compulsory voting or otherwise the bastards still only supply a PENCIL for you to record your vote … take a pen next time.

  30. Sinclair Davidson

    Rusty of Qld – yes, I understand. I too live in an ALP safe seat. I put the bastards last, the Greens second last, and the Liberals second. So nobody gets the AEC funding.

  31. woolfe

    Isn’t the validity of any law the ability to enforce it? Do we now have to have cameras in the voting booths?

  32. NuThink

    Sinc,
    I was about to ask who gets the funding if you don’t actually vote and you beat me to it.

    So nobody gets the AEC funding.

  33. CameronH

    Perhaps those brandishing swastikas should be check out to see they are not a false flag operation. You know the left believes in using any means necessary and are totally unethical.

  34. Roger

    Welcome to kakistan – if you protest the protestors you’re an outcast.

    Alinsky’s Rules for Radicals #13:

    “Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it.”

    PC language and boundaries are largely about enforcing conformity the the Left’s ageanda.

    Anyone who steps outside the enforced conformity will be targeted, as Fraser Anning is being targeted.

  35. RobK

    Sinc,
    Thanks for the link to the Act.
    I don’t see S233 as prohibiting a nil return. It doesn’t say so specifically.
    S240 relies upon the voter having a preference. Without a preference it is impossible to vote, so again, a nil return isn’t ruled out, in my book (I’m not a lawyer, and I guess no one has been busted for a blank return, so it’s moot).

  36. rickw

    “Idiots brandishing swastikas and giving one armed salutes do not help their cause.”
    As above they could be agents provocateurs, or maybe if you are going to be called a Nazi anyway, whatever you do, they are taking the piss.

    Strange how Nazi’s haven’t been a thing for so long, now suddenly at a “convenient” time they are.

    Of course an Academic has such a dim view of his countrymen that he assumes that there are actual Nazi’s without a second thought.

  37. A Lurker

    A couple of observations.

    The police were evidently out in force to combat ‘far Right protestors’, yet where were the police when gangs of African thugs (that were the reason for this rally) violently assaulted, house invaded, car-jacked and robbed various innocent Australians?

    Politicians (including our weak prime minister) are quick to get their faces in the media in order to chastise and distance themselves from ordinary Australians protesting the break down of law and order, yet the same politicians go missing when it comes to addressing the same law and order problems associated with the lack of consequences for violent gangs of African thugs.

    Conclusion – it’s easier to brow-beat Australian citizens and taxpayers into compliance, than it is to deport violent African thugs from our country.

  38. Iampeter

    Unfortunately the term “far right” has become so debased these days it is hard to know exactly what constitutes “far right”.

    Yep, this is one of the biggest issues with political discourse today in that basic terms aren’t defined by the people throwing them around.
    Nationalists and racists are collectivists and like all collectivists are leftist. These protests were just two far-left groups screaming mindlessly at each other.

    It seems to me that the solution to public protest isn’t disfranchisement of the protesters or their representatives.

    The solution to public protests is to outlaw them.
    Another symptom of the degeneration of political discourse is that no one really understands what rights are or how they work, so protests, which are basically various forms of crimes, like assault, have become protected as “free speech”.

  39. Sinclair Davidson

    and I guess no one has been busted for a blank return, so it’s moot

    Consider the case of Krosch v Springell: ex parte Krosch [1974] QdR 107 – Mr Springell arrived at a polling booth and handed the electoral officer a note saying he did not wish to vote for any candidate, as he found them all to be unworthy. He was prosecuted, and fined, for not voting despite the fact he had made the effort to turn up on Election Day.

    O’Brien v Warden 1981 37 ACTR 13 – Mr Warden arrived in the ACT just prior to an election, and was ignorant of the candidates, and their policy platforms. Nonetheless, he was found not to have a “valid and sufficient” reason for not voting.

  40. RobK

    not to have a “valid and sufficient” reason for not voting.
    He didn’t use the correct paperwork, that is stipulated in the act and what to do with it. I dont think it proves the case. It only shows you cant go to an official and vote, even if your vote is an abstention. A nil vote is still a vote, as I see it. (Not that I’d do such a thing, but I believe you should be able to)

  41. The A.D.

    It doesn’t matter if they can, can’t, will or won’t compel and enforce an actual valid act of voting.
    The fact is they compel and enforce everyone turning up to a polling station, ruin your saturday, and at least make you go through the motions of complying with a system taking your money to support their parties, even if you agree with none of the policies on offer, and want no part of it.
    It’s wrong. It is plain wrong.
    Virtually no other country on Earth does this, not even the most dispotic tyrannies force people to vote.

  42. Tombell

    Provided you drop the piece of government supplied dunny paper into the box you have voted. You can write what you like on the dunny paper. In short,the electoral laws force you to waste paper.

  43. RobK

     Mr Springell arrived at a polling booth and handed the electoral officer a note saying he did not wish to vote for any candidate, as he found them all to be unworthy.
    Mr Springell’s note in effect says he doesn’t want to comply with the electoral act….so he is fined. The act cant have people interacting with officials about how they will vote. The procedure must be followed, which is fair enough.

  44. The A.D.

    You would have to be brought up in this country to believe that freedom and democracy involves the crown forcing everyone to stand in line and vote for an approved candidate.
    Not just for anyone who puts themelves forward as a candidate, mind you.
    As we have seen, the candidates on offer must conform to their narrow defintion of who may be eligible.

  45. JohnA

    RobK:

    (I’m not a lawyer, and I guess no one has been busted for a blank return, so it’s moot).

    I think you are referring to the old “Albert Langer” defence.

    And that is what Sinc points out is no longer valid, if it ever was.

    Voter identification would fix a lot of the voting anomalies, though. Along with a texta mark on the hand to indicate that you had been handed voting papers.

  46. bespoke

    The solution to public protests is to outlaw them.
    Another symptom of the degeneration of political discourse is that no one really understands what rights are or how they work, so protests, which are basically various forms of crimes, like assault, have become protected as “free speech”.

    Protests have changed things for the better and even the ones I don’t agree with prompt discussion. I wouldn’t go outlawing for the actions of the few. Although I say most protest now days are just an excuse for theatrics with little unified purpose. Most wouldn’t no or care what the real agender of the organizes like the Women’s March with its entrenched anti-Semitism.

  47. B.A.Lert

    It wasn’t that long ago that the unions were marching in the streets to keep the Vietnamese out of Australia which apparently is fine. There is no such thing as the far right. The right believe in freedom and the rule of law the left believes what ever they are told to believe . As far as Nazis go they were the National Socialists.

  48. feelthebern

    Sinclair Davidson
    #2899983, posted on January 6, 2019 at 1:01 pm
    Rusty of Qld – yes, I understand. I too live in an ALP safe seat. I put the bastards last, the Greens second last, and the Liberals second. So nobody gets the AEC funding.

    This is the key, to stop AEC funding going to anyone.
    Let’s be clear, this is the only reason there is compulsory voting.
    Because I do not trust the scrutineers or the AEC anymore, I simply draw penis, boobs etc on both voting slips.
    If you put blank papers in the box, I reckon y0u have just voted Labor but don’t know it.

  49. md

    I haven’t read the news item, because the Herald Sun is paywalled and there’s no point in reading the news opinion on the ABC or in The Age.
    But there’s a bit of history here. This story was on the ABC website a week or so ago. Read the story and see if a certain point in it grabs your attention. This being a socialist country only the Left can speak freely about these things, so I won’t mention the specific point.
    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-12-30/st-kilda-beach-incident-far-right-activists-african-community/10673424
    Incidentally, it would be reasonable to assume that the interaction covered in the above ABC story has been ongoing, so it would seem the leftists got wind of it and decided to do what leftists do. Wouldn’t you love to see some of the leftists take a stroll around St Kilda at night!

  50. max

    Don’t vote — it only encourages them;
    or
    vote for Guy Fawkes, the only man ever to enter parliament with honest intentions;

  51. It’s interesting that Nazis are always referred to as the ‘far right’, when in fact they were of the far left, aligned with many of the views of the Australian Greens. Since history is no longer taught in schools, few actually understand what went on more than 70 years ago and the way that things are going, the Fourth Reich doesn’t appear that far away.

  52. Siltstone

    There have been no prosections of anyone who turns up at the polling station, obtains a ballot paper, goes to a booth, marks the paper contrary to the Act (or does not mark it at all) and puts the ballot in the box. The Act says this procedure must be “private” so it would be contrary to the Act for the returning officer or anyone else to even detect such technical non-compliance. Hence, voting is, in reality, not compulsory. And for the goodie-two shoes who say your shouldn’t do such a thing as described above, I’ll believe you when you take yourself down to the nearest police station very time you drive 61km/hr in a 60km/hr zone, and pay a fine.

  53. Tombell

    Hanson-Young is keen to use the laws of defamation. Perhaps Fraser Anning should consider.

  54. Muddy

    The fact that many here blithely use the tools that are used against us by our enemies – such as labeling anything and anyone to the nominal ‘right’ of socialism as ‘racist’ – is profoundly disheartening. You may as well be the only actor in your own show trial and then post the proceedings and punishment it on Utube (or whatever it’s called).

    Short of using chemicals, we will never be able to control the thoughts of every human being.

    I’m a racist. And proud of it. Whatcha gonna do about that?

  55. struth

    The socialist thugs attacking people protesting against socialist government ( and helped by socialist government police ) call those protesting against socialism, National SOCIALISTS!

    Me thinks it might be too late to be worrying about compulsory voting.
    Sort of a deck chairs on the Titanic conversation.

  56. egg_

    Didn’t the Nazis start the Green movement?

  57. Up The Workers!

    Err…umm… just remind me again which racist Party it was that introduced the cringeworthy racist “White Australia Policy” into Australia?

    Which racist Party was it that was led by a bloke who is famous for saying: “Two Wongs don’t make a White”?

    Which racist Party’s Prime Minister, referring to the Vietnamese boat people, many of whom fought with the Australians, said: “I’m not having hundreds of f*cking Vietnamese Balts coming into this country…”?

    Which Party’s Maritime Union (whose members were exempt from being called up to fight overseas during W.W.II) was stealing the food and personal possessions and sabotaging the weapons and ammunition of Australian and Allied troops awaiting shipment to the front?

    Given that the A.L.P. Socialists, the Maritime Union Socialists, Stalins’ Communist Socialists and Hitlers’ Nationalist Socialists were, in the early days of the war, all on the same Socialist side, what precisely is the basis for the current socialist objection to anybody else using the Socialist Swastika? Is it a copyright dispute? Do the A.L.P./Greens Socialists now claim it as their own sacred symbol, given that they are well known as devoutly religious nutters following a “progressive” religious creed of gerbil worming, 6th century head-lopping, eyeball-gouging, stoning of innocent pack-rape victims to death, rising sea levels, wife-bashing, child molesting and sundry acts of religious terrorism?

    What did the name “Nazi” mean in English – was it the “Nationalist Conservative Party”, or the “Nationalist Socialist Party”?

    Which racist Party was in power in July 2013 when there were some 10,201 illegal immigrants being held in Immigration Detention Centres (i.e. after Chris Buffoon, the A.L.P. Minister for People Smugglers, Porous Boarders and Hit-and-Miss Timor Sea Swimming Lessons managed to drown possibly 2,000 International Centrelink-Seeking, undocumented Anabolic Arabs, and aspiring future A.L.P. voters)?

    Many Australians died fighting totalitarianism and racism in the Second World War, and now we see violent totalitarian Socialist racists back again – only this time, being aligned with the Australian Liars’ Party, they are claiming to be the anti-racists, and it is the Australians whom they typically traitorously allege to be the racists.

  58. The BigBlueCat

    It seems a bit hypocritical to herd the electorate out at gunpoint to vote and then to disregard their elected representatives if and when they turn out to hold “repugnant” views.

    Who’s being held at gunpoint to vote in ‘Straya? But I have been concerned by the MSM labelling one set of protestors “hard right” while the others anti-fascist. A bit of analysis would have one conclude that the MSM think the anti-fascists are a noble group while the hard-right group contain convicted criminals. I’d wager that both groups contain the latter, while the anti-fascists are anything but noble in their intentions.

  59. Nighthawk the Elder

    Iampeter
    #2900009, posted on January 6, 2019 at 1:40 pm

    Nationalists and racists are collectivists and like all collectivists are leftist. These protests were just two far-left groups screaming mindlessly at each other

    On that I agree and their underlying collectivism needs to be stated more often. I have had similar arguments in the MSM comments section with dickhead revisionists claiming the Nazis were far right.

    But I don’t agree with outlawing public protests. Shine a light on them and hold them up to scrutiny. Too many commentators in the MSM focused on the infantile screeching rather than putting the protester’s claims or demands under the microscope. It’s how we got to this “far right Nazis” meme in the first place. No-one called it out until it was far too late.

  60. Dr Fred Lenin

    All this “Nazi”nonsense , the left forget that hitlers gang were called the German Workers National Socialist Party note the socialist ! They were a gang of power hungry gangsters supported by the filthy rich like krupp IG Farben etc , exactly the same as todays u,n, globalist fascists , with soros and gang , nothing has changed but the names of the culprits . Hitler had his brown shirts and goebels ,the new gang has the left media ,getup ,and the antifa fascist street gangsters who replaxce the brownshirts.
    Far right extremist means anyone who doesnt toe their line ,just like hitlers master race crap,wish he could see Germany today ,with comrade merkel in command ,haha . Be a joy to watch him explode the mad bastard .

  61. Baldrick

    Some protests are fine, others are verboten …

    Sky News Australia ✔ @SkyNewsAust
    Independent MP Kerryn Phelps says it is ‘not appropriate’ that taxpayers will pay for Senator Fraser Anning’s flights to Melbourne for a right-wing protest

  62. Cassie of Sydney

    I posted this on The Australian’s website a few hours ago…

    Being J*wish, I would like to add my thoughts of what ensued at St Kilda yesterday. Firstly, I am very frustrated with this newspaper’s coverage. It reminds me of the shallow reporting behind Cronulla over a decade ago. I expect better from The Australian. I am also irate at the simplistic activist tags used to smear the many decent people who turned up on the beach..the “far-right” label designed to smear, belittle and delegitimise these people’s concerns about gang violence. And for balance why wasn’t the label “far-left” applied to the so-called “anti-racist” demonstrators or has balanced journalism been completely tossed out the window? Did the media bother asking the “far-right” demonstrators why they were at the beach? Well here’s a clue..because they are rightly concerned about “African” gang problems, because they are rightly concerned about a politicised police force that has refused to deal with the gang violence because it is now a police force too concerned with perceived as “racist” by the left. Yet if you have a problem with being attacked by African gangs..you’re “far-right”.

    Whilst I am disappointed Senator Anning shared a platform with the unsavoury Blair Cottrell, Anning is no anti-S*mite, he is a good friend to the Australian J*wish community and is a stalwart supporter of Isr*el. Also there were Vietnamese Australians at the rally..some of whom have experienced “African gang violence”. I suppose these Vietnamese Australians are now far-right racists too.

    As for the sludge uttered by the “far-left” Hanson-Young..a woman who never fails to display her hypocrisy. Ok, so where was her condemnation of fellow Greens’ senators who have shared a platform with Islamic extremists? So where was her condemnation of fellow Greens’ senators who have spoken at anti-Isr*el demonstrations where the crowd has been full of people waving placards brimming with vicious anti-S*mitic hate and bile? Silence from Hanson-Young..but that the Greens for you..hypocrites.

  63. Mick

    I still can’t come to terms with racist neo-Nazi types being called far right. Is it just a big fraud based on Stalin having said that Hitler was the most far right person he knew?

    The Nazis were socialists, which makes them of the left, from my perspective. Yet every action or statement that is claimed as racist seems to be described or attributed to the work of far right.

    So if racism is a far right characteristic, then the U.S. democrats can’t be too proud of their rather ordinary right wing past. Weren’t they the hold outs on the repeal of Jim Crow laws?

    The bottom line is racism is not a right wing characteristic. It’s just a repugnant view that appears to afflict some people.

    In the end, if communist socialism is left and national socialism is right, there is no place in that spectrum for classical libertarians, individualists, or capitalists. They simply don’t fit anywhere. But I also wonder whether the Chinese, who in my opinion seem to have a rather nationalist position are now to be considered right wing as well.

  64. Mak Siccar

    Prof Sinc. I concede that I am wrong since the word ‘shall’ does indeed make it compulsory to number all squares as per the Act to which you referred.

    Marking of votes in House of Representatives election
    (1) In a House of Representatives election a person shall mark his or her vote on the ballot paper by:

    But of course, it is unenforceable unless you violate the privacy of the voter. The electorate in which I reside is safe Labor both state and federal – very frustrating. In the recent state election, the Lieborals installed an unknown, relatively low profile candidate at the ‘last minute’. Needless to say the candidate didn’t stand a chance. Modifying the advice from Baldrick and some other Cats, I, through gritted teeth, gave the Lieboral candidate a No. 1 but completely filled in all the remaining squares so that Labor and the Greensfilth didn’t get a preference at all. An informal vote? Yes! Illegal according to the Act? Yes! But it felt good at the time!

  65. jo

    Fraser Anning not fit to be in parliament? The bloated sea cow is not fit to be in the senate, how many times made false claims of entitlement. Theft as a servant in any language.

  66. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Well said, Cassie. I hope it gets up and stays up on the Oz comments.
    I’d suggest it for the Oz’s ‘comment of the week’.
    Cassie hits a six again (I believe that is a cricket term for good work). 🙂

  67. Candy

    Unwise for the politicians to dismiss a protest group as all being repugnant, without listening to their grievances and issues. There is riff raff there but also a lot of regular looking people with something to say. Perhaps the Libs and Labor should look a little deeper than a stupid nazi salute by someone.

  68. Bruce

    Walking out of a polling place with a valid ballot paper in ones pocket is naughty. It also drives the polling workers nuts, late at night. Even more exciting is finding too many ballots; apparently the cops get called, eventually.

    Depositing a neatly folded, but unmarked ballot paper in the approved Electoral Commission ballot-box is kosher. Talk to Electoral Commission employees and party scrutineers about the matter. As goes the old “joke”, “Don’t be normal, vote informal”. I somehow doubt anyone could register “Informal Party” as a legal entity, or deed-poll themselves to “Informal Informal”. Perhaps a little too Pythonesque.

    No doubt some officious slug is working on a way to log the serial number of each ballot paper against the respective punter’s name and details, for later “analysis”. How much does anyone reckon THAT sort of data would be worth to the political parties?

    The greatest rolling bastardry of the whole system is the wilful refusal to have a “square”
    clearly marked; “None of the above” or, in their kind of jargon, “No suitable candidate has been presented”. I’m sure one of the more numerate cats could offer a percentage of such votes that would negate the poll and trigger a call for a new one with ALL new candidates.

    Until such time that is implemented, the entire circus must be regarded as “bent”.

  69. Muddy

    Exactly how are people defining ‘racism’ now, or are we just going with the feelz?

  70. Mindfree

    Sensational Cassie – did they (Oz) run with it or did get moderated out with the views they do not endorse?

  71. Up The Workers!

    Spot on, Dr. Fred Lenin at 4.23pm.

    I’ve had several arguments with Leftard T.D.S.-sufferers who utterly insist that Abraham Lincoln was a Democrat rather than a Republican, and that it was the Republicans and not the Democrats who fought in the U.S. Civil War to retain the slavery of black Americans.

    Just try convincing them that their sainted “Uncle Tom” Obama, was actually the First Black President of the “Slavers’ Party”!

    Their monocular view of reality ignores the fact that despite Lincoln (the first Republican President) having abolished slavery with the 13th Amendment in 1865, every single black Representative in the U.S. Congress up to 1935, was a Republican (22 of whom served between 1865 and 1900), and every single black Senator elected to the U.S. Congress right up to 1979, was also a Republican. The Democrats never had a single black Senator until 114 years after the abolition of slavery.

    Similarly with the whole racist/Nazi thing. If the facts don’t fit the dogma, then it’s the facts that must be wrong, so make up some new ‘facts’ – (a la Mann’s comical “hockey stick” farce when his apocalyptic catastrophist weather-guessing proved to be nothing more than a load of steaming gillarding and a barely-disguised ruse to separate the teeming gullibles from their greenbacks).

  72. Cassie of Sydney

    Hi Mindfree, they ran the comment…it now has over 127 likes…not bad for a comment I posted a few hours ago.

    As an aside, if the moderators at The Australian “reject” my comment, I immediately write to complain and ask why. The moderators now know my name. I have threatened them with cancellation of my subscription. The digital editor usually then “passes” my comments. I am pretty sure that a lot of the moderators are young leftist activist/agitators straight out of university with so called degrees in journalism from the Wendy Bacon and Jenna Price media school at UTS. I have even said this in an email complaint…the digital editor insisted it wasn’t so but I call bulldust on that.

  73. Dr Fred Lenin

    The only real right wing leaders in the second world war were Franco and Salazar of Spain and Portugal , they were very right wing Roman Catholics . Both used the German and Italian socialist leaders Hitler and Mussolini to defeat the SocialistbStalinist Spanish Republicans then quietly refused to join in the War.

  74. Tintarella di Luna

    Cassie brilliant and eloquent and to the point as per usual — it’s quite a popular comment according to the readers – well done. It is so true about journalists these days, we get j’ism not journalism; no factual information, no deep delving into the whys and wherefores exploring the reasons that average Australians are turning in in hundreds to voice their protests. Just the usual emotive opinionated garbage that spreads heat not light.

  75. Tintarella di Luna

    I have even said this in an email complaint…the digital editor insisted it wasn’t so but I call bulldust on that.

    Spot on

  76. min

    I cannot put it in here but michaelsmithnews has a photo of Gillard giving a one armed salute. Both Mussolini and Hitler started as socialists . The word Fascist comes from the Italian meaning a bunch of faggots ( twigs), the black shirt thugs in Italy and brown shirts in Germany.

  77. Iva Right

    The political pendulum has swung too far to the left and this is the expected reaction. I actually don’t have a problem with a lot of what the so called far right protesters say and I dare say there is a fair proportion of the silent majority that agrees!

  78. Rohan

    Consider the case of Krosch v Springell: ex parte Krosch [1974] QdR 107 – Mr Springell arrived at a polling booth and handed the electoral officer a note saying he did not wish to vote for any candidate, as he found them all to be unworthy. He was prosecuted, and fined, for not voting despite the fact he had made the effort to turn up on Election Day.

    What a goose. Deface the ballot paper and stick it in the box and leave. If by some chance an electoral officer notices the defaced ballot, just shrug and tell em you made a mistake when filling it out and request a new ballot. Cant fine you for that.

  79. Chris M

    Some protests are fine, others are verboten …

    Yes, it is illegal to protest against murder in the vicinity of an infanticide clinic in AU (China South).

  80. Roger

    More power to your pen, Cassie!

  81. Tim Neilson

    Up The Workers!
    #2900207, posted on January 6, 2019 at 5:35 pm

    Indeed so.

    And the Democrat Senate majority Leader on 11 September 2001 was an ex Grand Kleagle of the KK K, Senator Robert Byrd.

    As Mark Steyn pointed out, if it wasn’t for the bravery of the Flight 93 passengers and the vagaries of White House scheduling the Democrats would have given the USA in the 21st century a high ranking KK K official as President.

  82. Deplorable

    Sinclair Davidson
    #2899919, posted on January 6, 2019 at 12:02 pm
    Idiots brandishing swastikas and giving one armed salutes do not help their cause.

    Indeed.

    But less face it they were probably saluting the real NAZIS being the antifa, greens and communists across the road . Anning is representing the majority of Australians that believe this country needs to take a breather on all forms of immigration until we catch up and do some infrastructure work.
    This is not racism but common sense. Also the Africans need to make up their minds if they will fit in and abandon their violent and criminal ways or just piss off back to the shitholes their parents left.

  83. Stimpson J. Cat

    Good letter Cassie.
    Obviously I would have preferred if you had started it “Being Australian” but this is a small criticism of an otherwise fairly balanced take.

  84. Herodotus

    the place where politicians should be representing their constituents is in the Parliament, and not on the street confronting the police

    If only. The Libs now can’t represent their base in any special or virtual place.
    Stand by for the love media to fall in and say the same, and condemn the street types. Just like they did back in the day when Jim Cairns went full streety-moratoriumy.

  85. Herodotus

    Special was supposed to be spacial.

  86. Herodotus

    The compulsory vote remains an opportunity to give the $2+ per first pref to a minor party and totally spook out the major party who missed out on it.

  87. Err…umm… just remind me again which racist Party it was that introduced the cringeworthy racist “White Australia Policy” into Australia?

    The White Australia Policy was not racist, unless you believe that protecting your national cultural identity is racist.

  88. Cassie of Sydney

    “Iva Right
    #2900261, posted on January 6, 2019 at 6:48 pm
    The political pendulum has swung too far to the left and this is the expected reaction. I actually don’t have a problem with a lot of what the so called far right protesters say and I dare say there is a fair proportion of the silent majority that agrees!”

    Agree. I have been thinking a lot about this over the last few weeks…particularly since the rise of the “yellow vests” in France. And I have skin in the game…being J*wish….I am very sensitive to even the slightest hint of anti-Semitism. However I am also aware of what the conditions are that ignite the age old hatred that is anti-Semitism. You only have to look at history to understand….Hitler and the Nazis didn’t appear out of nothing…..they weren’t conjured up by a magician. They were the end result of specific economic, political and social upheavals and catastrophes that devastated German society…beginning in 1918 and ending in 1933 when the Nazis came to power.

    Now whilst I don’t think that we are quite on a par with German society as it was in 1932 and 1933, we are experiencing a domination of and a corruption by the hard left of our institutions, our political parties, our education system from kindergarten through to university, our media, our corporations, even our medical system. Our religious heritage, religious institutions and even our senior religious clerics….apart from that certain “religion of peace”….are constantly attacked and vilified. Apart from a few brave exceptions, we have political parties who refuse to listen to the electorate’s valid concerns about a certain religion, about excessive immigration, about rising power costs, about social cohesion, about marxist ideology in schools dressed up as “Safe Schools”, about third wave feminism and its incessant attacks on white men. For questioning the prevailing Marxist hard left orthodoxy running amok in Australian in January 2019, ordinary people are smeared every day from the hard left’s lexicon of cliches…….racist, homophobe, islamophobe, climate change denier and now even “nazi”…..a word that is being devalued daily by the left and its assorted spruikers…which includes almost all of our mainstream media…a media that today, instead of asking hard questions as to why many good men and women assembled on the beach at St Kilda yesterday to protest, resorted to the left’s lexicon of smug lies and bulldust. It’s Cronulla all over again…..but worse, we are living in dangerous times. And I am no apologist for Blair Cottrell….I think he is a thug however more and more ordinary people will be drawn to him as well as to other far right extremists and ideologies precisely because the putrid arrogant mainstream media and our smug elitist out of touch political parties will continue to spit on the ordinary person.

    I don’t want to live in a society dominated by the the hard left or the hard right….we J*ws have never done very well under either….we’re scapegoats in both systems. That’s why I’m concerned…..because people will look to extremes and I’ll suffer.

  89. Cassie of Sydney

    “Iva Right
    #2900261, posted on January 6, 2019 at 6:48 pm
    The political pendulum has swung too far to the left and this is the expected reaction. I actually don’t have a problem with a lot of what the so called far right protesters say and I dare say there is a fair proportion of the silent majority that agrees!”

    Agree. I have been thinking a lot about this over the last few weeks…particularly since the rise of the “yellow vests” in France. And I have skin in the game…being J*wish….I am very sensitive to even the slightest hint of anti-S*mitism. However I am also aware of what the conditions are that ignite the age old hatred that is anti-S*mitism. You only have to look at history to understand….H*tler and the N*zis didn’t appear out of nothing…..they weren’t conjured up by a magician. They were the end result of specific economic, political and social upheavals and catastrophes that devastated German society…beginning in 1918 and ending in 1933 when the N*zis came to power.

    Now whilst I don’t think that we are quite on a par with German society as it was in 1932 and 1933, we are experiencing a domination of and a corruption by the hard left of our institutions, our political parties, our education system from kindergarten through to university, our media, our corporations, even our medical system. Our religious heritage, religious institutions and even our senior religious clerics….apart from that certain “religion of peace”….are constantly attacked and vilified. Apart from a few brave exceptions, we have political parties who refuse to listen to the electorate’s valid concerns about a certain religion, about excessive immigration, about rising power costs, about social cohesion, about marxist ideology in schools dressed up as “Safe Schools”, about third wave feminism and its incessant attacks on white men. For questioning the prevailing Marxist hard left orthodoxy running amok in Australian in January 2019, ordinary people are smeared every day from the hard left’s lexicon of cliches…….racist, homophobe, islamophobe, climate change denier and now even “nazi”…..a word that is being devalued daily by the left and its assorted spruikers…which includes almost all of our mainstream media…a media that today, instead of asking hard questions as to why many good men and women assembled on the beach at St Kilda yesterday to protest, resorted to the left’s lexicon of smug lies and bulldust. It’s Cronulla all over again but worse, a lot worse as we are living in more dangerous times. And I am no apologist for Blair Cottrell….I think he is a thug however more and more ordinary people will be drawn to him and to other far right extremists and ideologies precisely because the putrid arrogant mainstream media and the smug elitist out of touch political parties will continue to spit on the ordinary person.

    I don’t want to live in a society dominated by the the hard left or the hard right….we J*ws have never done very well under either….we’re scapegoats in both systems. That’s why I’m concerned…..because people will look to extremes and whilst I understand why…..I’ll suffer.

  90. Cassie of Sydney

    I have been thinking a lot about the whole left/right divide over the last few weeks…particularly since the advent of the “yellow vest” movement in France. As I have skin in the game, being J*wish, I am very sensitive to even the slightest hint of anti-S*mitism. However I am also aware of what the conditions are that ignite the age old hatred that is anti-S*mitism. You only have to look at history to understand….H*tler and the N*zis didn’t appear out of nothing…..they weren’t conjured up by a magician. They were the end result of specific economic, political and social upheavals and catastrophes that devastated German society…beginning in 1918 and ending in 1933 when the N*zis came to power.

    Now whilst I don’t think that we are quite on a par with German society as it was in 1932 and 1933, we are experiencing a domination of and a corruption by the hard left of our institutions, our political parties, our education system from kindergarten through to university, our media, our corporations, even our medical system. Our religious heritage, religious institutions and even our senior religious clerics….apart from that certain “religion of peace”….are constantly attacked and vilified. Apart from a few brave exceptions, we have political parties who refuse to listen to the electorate’s valid concerns about a certain religion, about excessive immigration, about rising power costs, about social cohesion, about marxist ideology in schools dressed up as “Safe Schools”, about third wave feminism and its incessant attacks on white men. For questioning the prevailing Marxist hard left orthodoxy running amok in Australian in January 2019, ordinary people are smeared every day from the hard left’s lexicon of cliches…….racist, homophobe, islamophobe, climate change denier and now even “nazi”…..a word that is being devalued daily by the left and its assorted spruikers…which includes almost all of our mainstream media…a media that today, instead of asking hard questions as to why many good men and women assembled on the beach at St Kilda yesterday to protest, resorted to the left’s lexicon of smug lies and bulldust. It’s Cronulla all over again but worse, a lot worse as we are living in more dangerous times. And I am no apologist for Blair Cottrell….I think he is a thug however more and more ordinary people will be drawn to him and to other far right extremists and ideologies precisely because the putrid arrogant mainstream media and the smug elitist out of touch political parties will continue to spit on the ordinary person.

    I don’t want to live in a society dominated by the the hard left or the hard right….we J*ws have never done very well under either….we’re scapegoats in both systems. That’s why I’m concerned…..because people will look to extremes and whilst I understand why…..I’ll suffer.

  91. duncanm

    Uh huh – Nazi Salutes, just like Basil Fawlty?

    Maybe they were mocking the Germans ?

  92. Singleton Engineer posted at 12:06 pm “Fraser Anning has the distinction of dabbling with both Pauline Hanson’s One Nation Party and Katter’s Australia Party and being dumped by both. While not a supporter of either party, I support their decisions. The man’s a loose cannon.”

    Pity an engineer is incapable of objectively analyzing the difference between Senator Anning’s courageous defence of our freedoms, and the seeming cowardice of over-paid vote chasers.

    Would the same engineer decide, as did the rest of our senate, to reject Fraser Anning’s moves to help South African farmers facing promised theft of their farms, torture, rape and murder and Senator Anning’s motion to let us tax-payers vote on “who can come to this country” instead of having that vital matter decided behind closed doors by those who have reportedly betrayed us on global warming, Chinese aggression etc?

    In my opinion, it is to Senator Anning’s credit that he no longer has to compromise his integrity with others less genuinely imbued with an honest desire to help alert Australians out of the cess-pit where some politicians have dumped us.

  93. Fang

    SHY, should pull her head in with that Twitter comment! As she is stating a totalitarian enforcement on an elected official in Australian Government! She has the right to disagree, but FA has the right to say what he wants! Facts don’t care about your feelings, as the Great Ben Shapiro states.

    Shy is a totalitarian, socialist, Feelist, do as I say not as I do, Type of person! She make my blood boil!
    Why do they vote for people like her???? 😡

  94. Neil

    Err…umm… just remind me again which racist Party it was that introduced the cringeworthy racist “White Australia Policy” into Australia?

    Apparently it was more than just racism. Labor party was worried about migration from low wage countries. Immigrants from low wage countries would be willing to work for lower wages driving the wages of everyone else down. So the white Australia policy was about keeping wages high

  95. Good letter Cassie.
    Obviously I would have preferred if you had started it “Being Australian” but this is a small criticism of an otherwise fairly balanced take.

    I suspect that Csssie was forced to make a point of her cultural religious background so as to be taken seriously. Being Australian merely means that a similar letter would be either easily dismissed or labeled as being racist or Fascist.

  96. C.L.

    Glenn Milne, ABC Online, April 2011: The same rules do not apply.

    The epithet “racist” and “race baiter” is increasingly being thrown around in Federal politics, mainly by Labor and mainly aimed at the Opposition.

    But in light of the behaviour of Greens Senator elect, Lee Rhiannon, and her support for a boycott of Israel, is it not time for the Prime Minister to start labelling her minority government partners in exactly the same way, if only for the sake of intellectual consistency?

    And if you think Rhiannon is just an isolated example of anti-Israeli sentiment within the Greens, in a moment I’ll come to some unsavoury associations of sitting Greens Senator, Sarah Hanson-Young, as well

    On January 18, 2009 3,000 demonstrators marched in Melbourne to condemn the unilateral ceasefire announced by Israel in the Gaza strip. Their complaint was it did not go far enough.

    The rally was organised by Australians for Palestine. According to a report in The Age newspaper at the time Sarah Hanson-Young addressed the protestors outside the State Library. She said: “We’ve heard there is a ceasefire but Israeli military have not retreated from Gaza.”

    According to The Age:

    To rousing cheers, she said: ‘It is time for Prime Minister Rudd to come out and condemn the violence’ and ‘to say no child should be used as collateral in a civilian massacre’.

    She spoke of a mother of three in Gaza who, told by the Israeli military last week to come out of her home, came out waving a white flag and was shot in the head. She said the children were also killed.

    The same crowd that cheered Hanson-Young displayed some sickening placards and signage. Three examples: a placard, carried by a Moslem child, would you believe, which read: “J-ws haven’t learn (sic) they need (a swastika) more than before”.

    Another depicted a picture of a Star of David superimposed over a pig. And there was the T-shirt which featured a swastika embedded in a Star of David along with the words emblazoned on top “J-wed To Death.com”

    Surely if Gillard can smear Tony Abbott because some representatives of the anti-Semitic League of Rights and Pauline Hanson attended the recent Parliament House rally against the carbon tax he addressed, she can summon even more moral outrage against Lee Rhiannon and Sarah-Hanson Young.

    If Abbott is to be condemned by association then so must Hanson-Young …

    Hanson-Young has therefore publicly endorsed Nazism and the extermination of the J-ws.

  97. jupes

    Well said, Cassie.

    Hear hear!

    It is so true about journalists these days, we get j’ism not journalism.

    Spot on Tinta. Ladies on fire today at the Cat.

  98. jupes

    Obviously I would have preferred if you had started it “Being Australian”

    Of course you would.

  99. Percy Popinjay

    Hanson-Young has therefore publicly endorsed Nazism and the extermination of the Joos

    Fair go – Hyphen-Dung is so stupid she wouldn’t have even realised she’d done it.

  100. Cassie of Sydney

    “Hanson-Young has therefore publicly endorsed Nazism and the extermination of the J-ws.”

    Yep….she is a dumb, smug, sanctimonious and venal hypocrite.

    And really, if there was anyone with a spine in the Liberal party…which of course there isn’t…she would be called out for being the dumb, smug, sanctimonious and venal hypocrite she is.

  101. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    And really, if there was anyone with a spine in the Liberal party…which of course there isn’t…she would be called out for being the dumb, smug, sanctimonious and venal hypocrite she is.

    The election of Sarah Hanson Young is a terrible revenge, wreaked by South Australians on the rest of the Commonwealth, for all those jokes about the main pastimes of South Australia being serial murder, and interbreeding.

  102. Tim Neilson

    Imagine you’re faced with a choice between voting for:
    (a) highly enlightened civilised decorous intellectuals who’d be welcome guests at urbane inner suburban dinner parties, who actively pursue policies that increase your risk of being beaten up savagely in your own home or car or being the victim of a terrorist mass murder; or
    (b) uncouth thugs who want to protect you from those fates.

    The reason I say “imagine” is because (a) are nowhere near as intellectual or sophisticated as they think they are, nor are (b) necessarily as uncouth or thuggish as they’re made out to be.

    But let’s just accept the evaluations at face value.

    Even so, why would any sane person vote (a)?

  103. MattR

    Fraser attended the peaceful rally at 1PM, heard speeches, mingled a bit then left. He wasn’t even there when the Leftard muppets were yelling mindlessly for hours while Nationalists mocked them from the other side of the police protection the Leftists had got themselves (protection from themselves of course).

    I was there, the media lies are off the charts and establishment politicians are just proving that paying them $1 a year is overpaying them.

  104. Siltstone

    Tim N
    Good analysis.

  105. jupes

    Nationalists and racists are collectivists and like all collectivists are leftist.

    I’m a nationalist and am neither collectivist nor leftist.

    You idiot.

  106. I don’t want to live in a society dominated by the the hard left or the hard right….we J*ws have never done very well under either….we’re scapegoats in both systems. That’s why I’m concerned…..because people will look to extremes and whilst I understand why…..I’ll suffer.

    In other words, you didn’t really give a toss about the destruction of the Australian cultural identity until it came to the point where your skin might be on the line.

  107. Neil

    Hi Sinc,
    I go to the polling station get my name scratched off the list put my ballot paper in my pocket and walk out

    I think that is against the law. You are not allowed to take a ballot paper home. They must be dropped in the box. You are watched to make sure the ballot paper is not removed from the building. At the end of the night the numbers of ballot papers handed out are matched to the numbers deposited in the box. They should be almost the same

  108. DaveR

    Just got back to town and apparently there was a big demo in St Kilda between the Alt-Right and some nice concerned people against racism over the weekend.

    Oh wait – thats the Campaign Against Racism and Fascism lot, a part of the Socialist Alternative political group.

    From their website: Statement of Principles: “We are a revolutionary Marxist organisation. We stand for the (militant) overthrow of capitalism and the construction of a world socialist system”. They also stand for militant class struggle unionism, and no border control whatsoever.

    They publish the illustrious fortnightly “Red Flag” and the Marxist Left Review. And some of their names are well known to TV news watchers, such as Chris Di Pasquale, as they present themselves as “ordinary concerned citizens”.

    If thats not Alt-Left, then I dont know what is. I dont think I like either Alt-Left or Alt-Right.

  109. Neville

    #2899918, posted on January 6, 2019 at 12:01 pm

    No. Voting is compulsory – what you refer to is an enforcement problem.

    True enough, Sinc, legalistically speaking. But the cited case merely illustrates what happens if one decides to sass the AEC. Philosophically (perhaps?), the situation is somewhat more fluid.
    Fact is, when one has one’s name scratched off a list, and one receives polling paper/s, one is the alone in the booth, with no big brother looking over one’s shoulder (yet), and one can choose to mark the paper/s validly, or invalidly, or even not at all; then lodge the paper/s in the ballot box. The AEC considers that one has then “voted”; The voter is the only one who actually knows if it was a “vote”, or a refusal to “vote”.

  110. max

    Ludwig von Mises:

    Chauvinism is the overvaluation of one’s own nation’s achievements and qualities and the disparagement of other nations; in itself it does not result in any action. Nationalism, on the other hand, is a blueprint for political and military action and the attempt to realize these plans.

    German aggressive nationalism is a phenomenon of the last sixty years. It developed out of modern economic conditions and economic policies.

    Neither is nationalism identical with patriotism. Patriotism is the zeal for one’s own nation’s welfare, flowering, and freedom. Nationalism is one of the various methods proposed for the attainment of these ends. But the liberals contend that the means recommended by nationalism are inappropriate, and that their application would not only not realize the ends sought but on the contrary must result in disaster for the nation. The liberals too are patriots, but their opinions with regard to the right ways toward national prosperity and greatness radically differ from those of the nationalists. They recommend free trade, international division of labor, good will, and peace among the nations, not for the sake of foreigners but for the promotion of the happiness of their own nation.

    It is the aim of nationalism to promote the well-being of the whole nation or of some groups of its citizens by inflicting harm on foreigners. The outstanding method of modern nationalism is discrimination against foreigners in the economic sphere. Foreign goods are excluded from the domestic market or admitted only after the payment of an import duty. Foreign labor is barred from competition in the domestic labor market. Foreign capital is liable to confiscation. This economic nationalism must result in war whenever those injured believe that they are strong enough to brush away by armed violent action the measures detrimental to their own welfare.

  111. max

    Ludwig von Mises:

    The fundamental tenets of the Nazi ideology do not differ from the generally accepted social and economic ideologies. The difference concerns only the application of these ideologies to the special problems of Germany.
    These are the dogmas of present-day “unorthodox” orthodoxy:
    1. Capitalism is an unfair system of exploitation. It injures the immense majority for the benefit of a small minority. Private ownership of the means of production hinders the full utilization of natural resources and of technical improvements. Profits and interest are tributes which the masses are forced to pay to a class of idle parasites. Capitalism is the cause of poverty and must result in war.
    2. It is therefore the foremost duty of popular government to substitute government control of business for the management of capitalists and entrepreneurs.
    3. Price ceilings and minimum wage rates, whether directly enforced by the administration or indirectly by giving a free hand to trade-unions, are an adequate means for improving the lot of the consumers and permanently raising the standard of living of all wage earners. They are steps on the way toward entirely emancipating the masses (by the final establishment of socialism) from the yoke of capital. (We may note incidentally that Marx in his later years violently opposed these propositions. Present-day Marxism, however, endorses them fully.)
    4. Easy money policy, i.e., credit expansion, is a useful method of lightening the burdens imposed by capital upon the masses and making a country more prosperous. It has nothing to do with the periodical recurrence of economic depression. Economic crises are an evil inherent in unhampered capitalism.
    5. All those who deny the foregoing statements and assert that capitalism best serves the masses and that the only effective method of permanently improving the economic conditions of all strata of society is progressive accumulation of new capital are ill-intentioned and narrow-minded apologists of the selfish class interests of the exploiters. A return to laissez faire, free trade, the gold standard, and economic freedom is out of the question. Mankind will fortunately never go back to the ideas and policies of the nineteenth century and the Victorian age. (Let us note incidentally that both Marxism and trade-unionism have the fairest claim to the epithets “nineteenth-century” and “Victorian.”)
    6. The advantage derived from foreign trade lies exclusively in exporting. Imports are bad and should be prevented as much as possible. The happiest situation in which a nation can find itself is where it need not depend on any imports from abroad. (The “progressives,” it is true, are not enthusiastic about this dogma and sometimes even reject it as a nationalist error; however, their political acts are thoroughly dictated by it.)
    With regard to these dogmas there is no difference between present-day British liberals and the British labor party on the one hand and the Nazis on the other. It does not matter that the British call these principles an outgrowth of liberalism and economic democracy while the Germans, on better grounds, call them antiliberal and antidemocratic. It is not much more important that in Germany nobody is free to utter dissenting views, while in Great Britain a dissenter is only laughed at as a fool and slighted.
    The British Left and the American progressives want all-round control of business for their own countries. They admire the Soviet methods of economic management.

    In rejecting German totalitarianism they contradict themselves. The German intellectuals saw in Great Britain’s abandonment of free trade and of the gold standard a proof of the superiority of German doctrines and methods. Now they see that the Anglo-Saxons imitate their own system of economic management in nearly every respect.

  112. Dr Fred Lenin

    Heres a suggestion for the next election,vote against Every Sitting member in both houses !
    Judt imsgine the croaking and ribbits from the swamp as every political career was ended . The half senste that was left would have no credibility and could be destroyed in the next election,preferably a double dissolution when we could do it again ,dont let any of them be in the job for more than one term . Then we could destroy political parties by defunding them where would they ever find people to work for nothing ? They never do anything for nothing those sort of people . Might solve a lot if our problems ,as another cat said politics is broken beyond fixing .

  113. struth

    Crap

    By the wat Cassie of Sydney, what scares you about extreme right wing exactly?

    You’ll work out, like a surprising number of jooos you are talking about the left

  114. struth

    Max, don’t quote economists regarding this stuff.
    It’s embarrassing.

  115. Leo G

    The voter is the only one who actually knows if it was a “vote”, or a refusal to “vote”.

    Surely, if the voter’s choice was counted, even if only counted as an informal vote, then the requirement to vote is satisfied. The issue cannot be one of enforcement for such informal votes, as enforcement would imply that the ballot is not a secret ballot.

  116. kc

    So, as a tax payer aka a lifter, not a leaner, that was the best 1/4 of a cent i ever spent

  117. struth

    You get your name crossed off.
    Your ballot paper does not have your name on it.

  118. I somehow doubt anyone could register “Informal Party” as a legal entity

    That cannot not be permitted, such is our alleged democracy, by our considerate electoral overlords.

  119. Up The Workers!

    The title of this thread is apt: “Repugnance and Compulsory Voting”.

    Just listening to what passes for the 6.00am “news” bulletin, on the A.L.P./Get-Up’s bigoted, hate-speech 3AW and the “shock-jock” duty Labor toadie doing the “news” bulletin has propagandised on:

    “Nationals Senator, Fraser Anning, attending a Nazi rally in Melbourne on the weekend”.

    The only anti-Semitic Nazi types in attendance were the usual violent Leftard thugs and bash-artists who fraudulently call themselves the “anti-racists”, (as you’d expect from a bunch of gillarding members of the Australian Liars’ Party, led by Bull Shitten).

    Senator Fraser Anning is no Nazi-sympathising racist anti-Semite – he’s probably never voted Labor(sic) or Brown Movement in the whole of his life!

    IT is a pity that the “Usual Suspect” violent Leftard thugs weren’t all beaten up and had their car and house keys stolen by the same gangs of violent lawless thugs who have been bashing people at random on St Kilda beach lately, which is what the rally was about – despite the best efforts of the lying Labor(sic) activists who concoct what passes for “news” at 3AW.

    Get-Up activists, propagandists, fraudsters and professional mis-handlers of the truth need to be able to tell the difference between journalism and blatant hate-speech; between factually reporting the news and professionally gillarding the day’s “two-minute hate” on behalf of their Party headquarters.

    There is a difference.

  120. Iampeter

    I’m a nationalist and am neither collectivist nor leftist.

    You idiot.

    Given the first sentence you’ve written you don’t know even basic things about politics and aren’t in a position to be calling anyone else an idiot on a political blog.

    I see politically illiterate, leftists are going to continue derailing any attempts at serious political discourse at the Cat in 2019.

    Also, the resident racists seem comfortable enough to proudly declare themselves as such, so there’s that too.

    PS, I’m sure JC and the other white knights will be here any minute to address Jupes’ post. Integrity in debates durr!

  121. Robber Baron

    Morrison must be sporting a boner that won’t quit…Anning has distracted the media from the woeful coalition for a few days. Morro might even personally sign off on Annings expense claim form.

  122. J.H.

    So there were Leftist activists in the crowd pretending to be Nazis and a Media intent on portraying anyone with patriotic views of Australia as National Socialists….

    Alinsky’s ‘Rules for Radicals’ explains how leftists should infiltrate their opposition and disgrace it… The example he gives, is that instead of turning up at an opposition’s rally as a counter demonstration, you instead turn up dressed in KKK costumes with signs and “Support” the opposition…. The media will do the rest.

    So when I see headlines of “Nazis” or “Neo Nazis” in Australia writ large in the media, I am immediately skeptical considering there has been no Nazis in the news previously or the fact that there are no Nazi parties in our political system, nor has there been any Nazi violence in the proceeding years and no Nazi rallies regularly reported in the Media…. Yet, suddenly. Nazi!

    … But what HAS been in the media constantly, especially in Victoria, is African Gang violence…. But no Nazis.

    So what we have here with Senator Anning is a Politician doing his job and listening to the concerns of citizens worried about their country and society….. If that means you are a “Nazi”, then the term has become degraded into meaninglessness and the media is a disgrace.

  123. Dan Dare

    Yes Herodotus, Ho Chi Jim Cairns often took to the streets in rallies.
    But that was ok for a politician of the left.
    And later, sat in the streets trying to sell remainders of his book.

  124. A Lurker

    Aussies getting rightly stuck into Morrison on his Facebook page.

    What is that adage about finding oneself at the bottom of a hole?

  125. MatrixTransform

    I cannot leave the missus home alone without pulling closed and pad-locking the gates.
    Yeah, we have a wall too.
    We live less than 2km from the beach but she near has a panic attack at the thought of going there
    Yeah, Chelsea.
    She has sworn that wont ever set foot in Keysborough shopping centre again.
    It isnt the cultural melting pot so much as the threat of violence and robbery
    Her politic has swerved toward Conservative values.
    And SHY makes noises about the deplorable state of affairs inside the heads of normal rational people.

    Me, on the other hand , I switched political sides about 5 years ago.
    and seriously gang boy, dont mess with this old man, I grew up in the 70s with sharpes and skinheads and mods.
    Come near me and I will seriously ruin the rest of your day.
    40 years in martial arts must have made me a menace to society.

    SHY can wank on all she wants. Seriously does anybody give a jot what a Green Senator from SA reckons?
    The Vic Labour Govt can interfere with the Police Commissioner’s role (if we actually have a Police Commissioner at the moment). Amazing how few arrests and prosecutions for outright anti-social behavior.

    The ABC, or was it SBS(?), or both(?) can produce all the content they like promoting boys cutting off the d!cks. How encouraging mental illness could possibly create a better society boggles the mind.

    The papers including the Australian, can prattle on all day about Proper-Think. Make it sound like the wrong-thinkers are the criminal element here.
    Sure we are. Just cant help it.
    Born deplorable

    Much of the 20th century was spent fighting the Socialist and conveniently we seem to have all forgotten about the failures in every single case where the Socialist win.
    Policy induced famines.
    Little red books and kiddies with guns
    and into the void rushed Pol Pot.
    millions dead. millions every single time.

    Anyway, we didnt go to St Kilda on Saturday, went to Bunnings then tidied up the backyard.
    I harvested early potatoes and popped some new chillies in the ground.
    Pretty typical day I expect for the majority of wrong-thinkers.

    “…and down they forgot as up they grew.”
    ― E.E. Cummings

  126. max

    Ludwig von Mises:

    It is an almost generally accepted dogma that there exist irreconcilable conflicts of group interests. Opinions differ by and large only with regard to the question, which groups have to be considered as genuine groups and, consequently, which conflicts are the genuine ones. The nationalists call the nations (which means in Europe the linguistic groups), the racists call the races, and the Marxians call the “social classes,” the genuine groups, but there is unanimity with regard to the doctrine that a genuine group cannot prosper except to the detriment of other genuine groups. The natural state of intergroup relations, according to this view, is conflict.

  127. iain russell

    I find the views of Muslims ‘repugnant’. Does that mean that now I am done of the Good Guys?

  128. max

    Ludwig von Mises:

    It is usual to distinguish within this movement a left wing and a right wing. The distinction is spurious. The proof is that it is impossible to classify in either of these groups the great leaders of the movement. Was Hegel a man of the Left or of the Right? Both the left wing and the right wing Hegelians were undoubtedly correct in referring to Hegel as their master. Was George Sorel a Leftist or a Rightist? Both Lenin and Mussolini were his intellectual disciples. Bismarck is commonly regarded as a reactionary. But his social-security scheme is the acme of present-day progressivism. If Ferdinand Lassalle had not been the son of J…sh parents, the Nazis would call him the first German labor leader and the founder of the German socialist party, one of their greatest men. From the point of view of true liberalism, all the supporters of the conflict doctrine form one homogenous party.
    The main weapon applied by both the right and the left wing anti-liberals is calling their adversaries names.

  129. max

    Ludwig von Mises:
    It is usual to distinguish within this movement a left wing and a right wing. The distinction is spurious. The proof is that it is impossible to classify in either of these groups the great leaders of the movement. Was Hegel a man of the Left or of the Right? Both the left wing and the right wing Hegelians were undoubtedly correct in referring to Hegel as their master. Was George Sorel a Leftist or a Rightist? Both Lenin and Mussolini were his intellectual disciples. Bismarck is commonly regarded as a reactionary. But his social-security scheme is the acme of present-day progressivism. If Ferdinand Lassalle had not been the son of J……. parents, the Nazis would call him the first German labor leader and the founder of the German socialist party, one of their greatest men. From the point of view of true liberalism, all the supporters of the conflict doctrine form one homogenous party.
    The main weapon applied by both the right and the left wing anti-liberals is calling their adversaries names.

  130. Tim Neilson

    MatrixTransform
    #2900698, posted on January 7, 2019 at 9:14 am

    That’s extraordinary about Chelsea. Not that the violence is happening but that it’s bad enough to create that concern among locals.

    No offence Matrix – it’s just that a friend of mine went to Bonbeach High (before it got shut down), and when I asked her what it was like she said to look at Victoria’s 10 most wanted and there’d almost always be someone from Bonbeach in it.
    So if the people living in that area are expressing concern that bad elements are getting out of hand, they mean it. And they know what they’re talking about, unlike the self-appointed elites.

    Same on the other side of town, where Werribee and Hoppers Crossing were always rough, and no-one would ever dream of letting a girl go home on her own at night, but no-one regarded it as worth complaining about until “groups of youths” started taking it to a whole new level.

    I’m tempted to hope that some “youth” will attract your adverse attention – in circumstances where the consequences can’t be traced back to you.

  131. Faye

    From villages to countries, the world is divided into tribes – the right or the left – engineered by the Marxists. It is only now that the right tribe has realized just how deeply the left have penetrated every facet of their lives.
    Within homes and families: Our friends with adult children with their own families, dismiss the older mum and dad as silly old fogies with outdated Conservative ideas and values. The young modern progressives don’t even want to discuss it which upsets the parents.
    Also, close to home: Husband, on his daily walk, stopped to greet a neighbour who was feeling the hot weather (29 degrees) and the tribal factor came into play when ‘climate change’ was mentioned – neighbour a believer and husband a skeptic. Such an innocent picture turned sour because of the Left’s maniacal desire to rule the world.

  132. MatrixTransform

    Tim Neilson #2900794, posted on January 7, 2019 at 11:20 am

    Rentals on the beach and serviced by the train…what self respecting crim could pass that up?
    This place has it good bits and its bad bits.
    No offense taken.

    we havent been here long really.
    Been in a year Hoppers Crossing, 5 in Kensington, 20 in Preston, and 5 in Camberwell.
    Chelsea aint Camberwell but honestly, the place is very livable and the people, though rough around the edges, are quite nice.
    I like it.
    Much better than Preston.

    The missus on the other hand, isnt comfortable especially since the thugs decided Chelsea Beach was the place
    for a muck-up. We did go to the beach the other day and couple of young African kids strolled past big fellas quite imposing.
    Mrs Matrix was not happy.

    Pollies and Pundits can wax lyrical about how things might be … I’m here dealing with how things are.
    Just like about 80% of the Melb population.

    Oh, almost forgot to mention my son who was attacked by 2 africans in Fiztroy one night about 7 years ago.
    They did try to knife him and it didnt work out for them.
    He accounted for himself well.
    so well in fact the big fellas left in a rush a little sorry for their efforts.
    But he was horribly bruised (and I mean very badly around the ribs and head) …but alive to this day.

    Groups of African kiddies now roam the streets, the beaches.
    Some of those groups rear-end your car and then when you stop they get out en masse and relieve you of your own car, wallet and phone.
    Others like to come into your home at night while youre asleep.

    do I hate African kids ? of course not.
    Do my heckles go up when I see then in group? you bet they do.

    the universe of Schwachköpfe claiming that I’d be racist have it arse-backwards.
    There are a group of youths organised along predominately racial lines that are making problems for anybody that isnt like them.

    When I was younger, simply walking around with a couple of mates outside school hours was enough to get you stopped and questioned by the Polis.
    You would be instructed to split up and go home by different routes.

  133. Colonel Crispin Berka, King's Fusiliers Corps.

    There’s a whole lot of of ignoring of evidence in the comments above. Tel very helpfully links to the ABC article which contains a brief video of the incident.
    Your arguing over the ambiguity of the intended meaning of the salutes is just a giant distraction squirrel.
    You’re all studiously ignoring the video of the bloke carrying the helmet with the SS logo on it.
    You’ve got wriggle room on the salute. But there is no way the SS helmet is a joke, it required time and money in preparation and is beyond tasteless.

    This gathering in part contained actual racists and wannabe-Nazis. You can explain this however you like, but any theory must explain all the relevant facts, and that Nazi insignia is one of the facts.

    A protest against the influx of Islamic teaching which advocates as one solution the cessation of immigration from majority Muslim countries is a protest that will also attract neo-Nazis because the majority Muslim countries are co-incidentally populated mainly by ethnicities that don’t match the Nazi ideals.
    The fact that these neo-Nazis were not immediately turfed out by the rest of the protestors is then another fact that still has to be accounted for.
    The only viable response, which ScoMo has done, is to denounce the entire protest. ScoMo has unfortunately not gone far enough. The right wing should also disclaim any connection between the right wing and the protest on the basis of their incompatible ideologies.

  134. Deplorable

    As a sometimes commenter on this blog I am really confused with the moderation. Today I attempted to post the written policies of the board of deputies of Cassies faith in regards their thoughts on immigration. Straight to the sin bin. I look at some of the comments here and I am fucked if I can see why my post is considered evil when it came straight from the board of deputies. Free speech here my arse.

  135. herodotus

    By Cassie:
    As an aside, if the moderators at The Australian “reject” my comment, I immediately write to complain and ask why. The moderators now know my name. I have threatened them with cancellation of my subscription. The digital editor usually then “passes” my comments. I am pretty sure that a lot of the moderators are young leftist activist/agitators straight out of university with so called degrees in journalism from the Wendy Bacon and Jenna Price media school at UTS. I have even said this in an email complaint…the digital editor insisted it wasn’t so but I call bulldust on that.

    Fact check: True

  136. Tim:

    …but no-one regarded it as worth complaining about until “groups of youths” started taking it to a whole new level.

    They be ‘Yoofs’ Tim.
    Packs of ‘Lone Wolf Yoofs’.
    Packs of ‘Disadvantaged and Marginalised Lone Wolf Yoofs.’
    Poor fings.

  137. Squirrel

    “This morning my social media accounts have filled up with politicians engaging in virtue signalling. ”

    Yes – the taxpayer-funded spokes-personages for Big Australia have been falling over themselves to peddle their standard line that anyone who dares to question Big Australia is a loathsome racist who is, at best, one step away from fascism.

    They will continue to get away with that bulldust until the debt-funded credit bubble goes bad, and the great Australian punterariat has more pressing things on their minds than reality TV, real estate prices and wandering around shopping malls looking for things to spend money on.

  138. MatrixTransform

    Squirrel –

    They will continue to get away with that bulldust until the debt-funded credit bubble goes bad

    exaclty…may as well have said the words myself!

    We live like princes all.
    FFS! I still had an outside dunny in Preston 1993

  139. MatrixTransform

    Colonel Crispin Berka, King’s Fusiliers Corps

    … beyond retarded

    could there be a post here that leverages logical fallacy better than yours?

    I doubt it

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