Monday Forum: January 7, 2019

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  1. Mark A

    OT
    Joys of living in a cold climate

    Snowing again. Have to learn the tricks to live with snow and ice. I saw others cleaning the snow off their cars as soon as it stopped snowing, I didn’t since I didn’t need the car for the weekend.
    I thought the snow is going to keep it warmer. It probably did, by an infinitesimal degree.

    What happened is that during the day some of the snow melted and I finished up with half an inch of ice under the snow cover. Took me an hour to clean it off with lukewarm water and brush.
    Lucky I checked if well before I had to leave.

    Give me OZ weather anytime.

  2. Tom

    Another day, another thousand comments …

  3. johanna

    Mark A, snow is great on Christmas cards, but rapidly loses its charm in real life.

    Pedro, I can thoroughly recommend retirement, despite the hamsters on a wheel who insist on running flat out until they are dead. Good for them, but for me the luxury of not having to do a single thing I don’t want to (after decades of the opposite) is something I never get tired of and never stop appreciating.

    For Cats and Kittehs who like to read, but are not able to read or interested in longform online, I have discovered a great site called East of the Web:Short Stories

    It’s an absolute goldmine of the best short stories going back more than 100 years. It’s a bit hard to navigate, but my advice is to click on the Random button and take it from there. There is everyone from Guy de Maussapant to Agatha Christie to Anton Chekov to … well, you get the idea.

    My current fave is Saki, aka H H Munro, who died in 1916. He was a satirist and humourist par excellence, and a lot of it resonates today. For example, I am currently reading a story about the attempts of ‘progressive’ parents to wean their male children off war toys:

    “Harvey,” said Eleanor Bope, handing her brother a cutting from a London morning paper of the 19th of March, “just read this about children’s toys, please; it exactly carries out some of our ideas about influence and upbringing.”

    “In the view of the National Peace Council,” ran the extract, “there are grave objections to presenting our boys with regiments of fighting men, batteries of guns, and squadrons of ‘Dreadnoughts.’ Boys, the Council admits, naturally love fighting and all the panoply of war . . . but that is no reason for encouraging, and perhaps giving permanent form to, their primitive instincts. At the Children’s Welfare Exhibition, which opens at Olympia in three weeks’ time, the Peace Council will make an alternative suggestion to parents in the shape of an exhibition of ‘peace toys.’ In front of a specially-painted representation of the Peace Palace at The Hague will be grouped, not miniature soldiers but miniature civilians, not guns but ploughs and the tools of industry . . . It is hoped that manufacturers may take a hint from the exhibit, which will bear fruit in the toy shops.”

    There is nothing new under the sun.

  4. Bruce of Newcastle

    That’s an epic bunch of cartoons this morning. Zanetti is especially spicy! Maybe he could do one of Julia Banks too.

    Am I even allowed to say ‘prima donnas’ these days, or will I suffer the wrath of the sisterhood?

  5. areff

    Thanks, Tom: Daily at dawn, as they used to say in the skybox of the old Sun News-Pic, and much appreciated.

    On another note, an academic recipient of australian taxpayers’ largesse describes her ARC-funded study of what little kids, including a Muslim vegan opposed to eggs, of different religious backgrounds draw. This ongoing inquiry requires “fieldwork” in London and Manchester. You’d have to take a perverse delight in bovine excretion to sit through the whole thing, but even sampled it does serve as a double-pronged reminder that the universities are in dread need of reform and, sadly, the absence of politicians prepared to demand it.

  6. areff

    Oh, and do notice the scare quotes prompted by the word “terrorism”

  7. Bruce of Newcastle

    Just catching up on night Cat doings.
    Best wishes to Lizzie and her Hairy, and also to Pedro on this golden day.

  8. RobK

    Just had a chance to read back. Yes, best wishes to Lizzie, Hairy and Pedro.

  9. Mater

    Best to Hairy (c/o Lizzie) and Pedro.

  10. Mother Lode

    My current fave is Saki, aka H H Munro, who died in 1916. He was a satirist and humourist par excellence, and a lot of it resonates today

    Have you read “The Storyteller” yet? It is the one about the guy on the train who tells a story to the two kids.

    It highlights the grotesquely maladroit way governesses (and teachers) conceive of their charges.

  11. stackja

    Thousands to pay jailed WA women’s fines
    Luke Costin, Australian Associated Press
    14 minutes ago

    Indigenous women in prison to “pay off” overdue fines are set to be freed after a community fundraiser topped $100,000 in two days.

    The imprisoned women – and many more who face being brought into custody over unpaid dues – have been helped by more than 2500 donors from Australia, New Zealand, the UK and other parts of the world.

    Three women had their outstanding warrants cleared on Tuesday after the fundraiser paid off a total of about $6600 in fines, Sisters Inside chief executive Debbie Kilroy said.

    Her Queensland-based advocacy group, which helps women and girls out of custody, started the GoFundMe on Sunday afternoon with the aim of helping 100 people.

    But she thinks many more could be helped after the $100,000 mark was reached as early as Tuesday evening.

    She said beneficiaries would include a young pregnant mother in custody over traffic fines and a Noongar woman Ms Kilroy said had been threatened with arrest should police be called to her home over a domestic violence issue.

    “I just can’t believe how it’s gone,” she told AAP.

    The issue of indigenous women incarcerated for unpaid fines made national news after a 22-year-old Aboriginal woman died in hospital after being locked up at South Hedland Police Station in 2014 for unpaid fines.

    A coronial inquest into the death recommended keeping fine defaulters out of jail.

  12. Top Ender

    Congratulations on achieving retirement Pedro, and best wishes for the old man Lizzie.

    Here in San Antonio we are experiencing what must be one of the best climates in the USA. Daily it is about 18; nights are about 10-12. This is in the middle of winter. We were up in Denver (Rocky Mountain High), and the snow was covering all of the mountains to quite a low height around.

    One of our Uber drivers said he had lived here for eight years and seen snow once.

    On the down side we tried to dine at Augies last night, for genuine Texas BBQ. They had sold out of all food by 745. Little did we know that there was a convention of football coaches in town – about 1000 of them – and they had eaten and drunk the place dry. We ended up at a vege place in a converted brewery.

    However, made up for it today at Schilos, a delicatessen that has not abandoned the good old days. Pea soup and rye bread; three Germans sausages, with potato salad, and root beer, for $20.

    On to Houston.

  13. John Constantine

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-01-08/second-fish-kill-in-darling-river-at-menindee/10696632

    “Up to a million fish have died along a 40-kilometre stretch of the Darling River in far west New South Wales, in an event the State Government has described as “distressing”.
    Key points:

    An blue green algal bloom in the area is to blame, according to the NSW Government
    When the water temperature changes, the algae is affected
    When the algae dies, it siphons oxygen from the water, suffocating the fish

    The mass killing at Menindee, near Broken Hill, came after a similar incident in the same part of the river less than a month ago.

    DPI’s Fisheries Manager Iain Ellis said the event was unprecedented.

    “I’ve never seen two fish kills of this scale so close together in terms of time, especially in the same stretch of river,” he said.”

    Nutrient overload feeds the algae, dry weather raises the risk of farm nutrient rich dust/soil/fertiliser entering the river.

    Unwavering compliance with transnational signed suicide notes demanding australias dam water be dumped unused out to sea also has a bit to do with it.

  14. stackja

    State government secured 11 Opal Tower units in a deal with developer Ecove when site sold
    Annabel Hennessy, The Daily Telegraph
    January 8, 2019 10:00pm
    Subscriber only

    The state government owns more than $6 million worth of apartments in the shonky Opal Tower.

    The Daily Telegraph can reveal 11 units in the tower are owned by the Sydney Olympic Park Authority, a statutory government body, which ­secured them as part of a deal when it sold the site to developer Ecove in 2014.

    SOPA, which signed a ­development agreement with Ecove, has refused to reveal the selling price and is yet to comment on the building problems that have forced residents to evacuate.

    The Telegraph can also ­reveal SOPA has a representative on the strata committee which has hired its own engineer and has told residents it is in the process of hiring an ­independent lawyer.

    SOPA’s units are being rented as affordable housing to tenants on low to medium ­incomes and are being managed by an external agency.

  15. areff

    Saki: Filboid Studge

    In the same way, whenever a massacre of Armenians is reported from Asia Minor, every one assumes that it has been carried out “under orders” from somewhere or another; no one seems to think that there are people who might like to kill their neighbours now and then.

    And so it was with the new breakfast food. No one would have eaten Filboid Studge as a pleasure, but the grim austerity of its advertisement drove housewives in shoals to the grocers’ shops to clamour for an immediate supply. In small kitchens solemn pig-tailed daughters helped depressed mothers to perform the primitive ritual of its preparation. On the breakfast-tables of cheerless parlours it was partaken of in silence. Once the womenfolk discovered that it was thoroughly unpalatable, their zeal in forcing it on their households knew no bounds. “You haven’t eaten your Filboid Studge!” would be screamed at the appetiteless clerk as he turned weariedly from the breakfast-table, and his evening meal would be prefaced by a warmed-up mess which would be explained as “your Filboid Studge that you didn’t eat this morning.” Those strange fanatics who ostentatiously mortify themselves, inwardly and outwardly, with health biscuits and health garments, battened aggressively on the new food. Earnest spectacled young men devoured it on the steps of the National Liberal Club. A bishop who did not believe in a future state preached against the poster, and a peer’s daughter died from eating too much of the compound. A further advertisement was obtained when an infantry regiment mutinied and shot its officers rather than eat the nauseous mess; fortunately, Lord Birrell of Blatherstone, who was War Minister at the moment, saved the situation by his happy epigram, that “Discipline to be effective must be optional.”

    It might be just me, but Saki’s cynicism always raises the urge to reread Celine.

  16. John Constantine

    https://quadrant.org.au/magazine/2010/07-08/the-myth-of-the-ancient-red-gum-forests/?fbclid=IwAR3kqnJLOYXzUB–aq9heWEYKPPkaBGL1JR6OcDZ9WZaNz0VTbrUNUWYN88

    “The early squatters were attracted to two things: permanent water and ready-made pasture. As Sturt prophesied, they quickly took up the river frontages and prospered, partly because they were spared the cost of clearing.

    But why did the above observations not include descriptions of red gum forests along the river? Very simply because they were not there.

    Elsewhere in his Recollections Curr wrote that there were very few kangaroos or emus along his section of the Murray. The Aborigines lived mostly on fish and possums. He also wrote that the grass on the river flats was thick—up to a foot deep.

    River red gums will only germinate in full sun, which is the reason for using gap-clearing silviculture. Here’s how Howie Marshall, a respected amateur botanist and expert on the Barmah Forest, puts it:

    See the red gum seed is like pepper and if it drops down within the weeds and grass three feet high the sun can’t get at it. It can get wet but it can’t take off. If you graze the weeds and grass down, away it goes.

    In other words, any of the tiny red gum seeds which fell on the river flats that Curr found so attractive as dense, ready-made pasture could not have grown until grazed by his sheep.

    The red gum forests are thus very largely a product of white settlement and in particular of grazing by the squatters’ livestock. Most of the riverside landscape, far from being cleared by white settlers, has been invaded by trees which have grown into forests in less than 200 years.”

  17. OldOzzie

    Thanks Tom

    excellent lot today – A.F.Branco wins

  18. John Constantine

    Their abc billion dollar bully pulpit had a sound grab yesterday laying out what we knew was coming, had been denied for years [ too soon for truth] but now is up and running.

    The murray darling basin plan is not just about deindustrialising irrigation to rewild the river, it is about rewilding the floodplains, then rewilding all land that interacts with the river.

    To what state?. The landscape that was burnt all the time for thousands of years is not the landscape created by the transnational conventions.

    It seems that centrally planned Tyranny is the goal, the enviroment is the excuse.

    Comrades.

  19. stackja

    NSW Public Teachers union think push for male teachers is offensive
    Christopher Harris, Exclusive, The Daily Telegraph
    January 8, 2019 11:11pm
    Subscriber only

    The teachers’ union is opposing the government’s plan to tackle an urgent shortage of male teachers because it says recognising men as a minority in the profession would be ­offensive to gay, disabled and Aboriginal people.

    The Education Department has identified recruiting men to teaching jobs as a key focus area, after shocking figures ­revealed the number of males in classrooms has plummeted and experts warned the trend was bad for kids.

    But the NSW Teachers Federation said in its response to the strategy that the inclusion of men as a focus area was “disappointing” and that it was seeking an urgent meeting with the department to discuss its “serious concerns”.

    In a memorandum posted on its website last month, the union singled out the use of the phrase “you can’t be what you can’t see” in the department’s document as inappropriate.

    “The Federation considers the appropriation of the phrase to be highly insulting not only to women but to Aboriginal people, people with a disability, LGBTIQA+ colleagues and people from culturally and linguistically diverse backgrounds (CALD) considering the origins of the term,” it said.

    The phrase was coined by US activist Marian Wright Edelman to describe the difficulties of getting more women into management roles if there were few examples to follow.

  20. OldOzzie

    Paris Agreement to shrink economy, says US’s Brookings Institution


    Australia’s economy will be among the worst affected by the Paris climate change agreement, enduring slower growth, fewer jobs and a “notable” 6 per cent slump in the exchange rate, ­according to a new analysis of the global accord.

    The report by the Washington-based Brookings Institut­ion also finds the treaty will fail to cut carbon emissions on 2015 levels or put the world on a path to keeping global temperature rises to 2C or less.

    The co-ordinated push to save the planet from climate change will shrink the economy by about 2 per cent and sap household wealth by 0.5 per cent by 2030, even if Australia chooses to back out of the agreement, the report found.

    “Because Australia relies heavily on fossil fuels for its own use and as a source of export revenue, it experiences a large fall in investment, a significant capital outflow, and the largest depreciation of the real exchange rate,” the ­report said.

    “For Australia, the Paris Agreement still has a significant impact on GDP even when Australia does not participate. These losses occur because Australia’s exports of fossil fuels are still subject to the CO2 tax in other ­regions, and the revenue is ­collected outside ­Australia.”

    The report estimated employment would fall 1 per cent — or 127,000 jobs based on present ­levels — by 2020, with some offsetting gains later as workers shifted to the renewable energy sector.

    The analysis, which ignored the impact of climate change ­itself, found only Australia and OPEC nations came out behind overall because the benefits of less pollution, less traffic and lower mortality under the Paris Agreement did not offset the damage to economic growth, arising largely as a result of the implicit global tax on energy exports.

    The Morrison government, which opted to remain in the Paris accord against the wishes of hardline conservatives, leapt on the ­report to attack Labor over its promised 45 per cent emissions cut. “Our economy is growing stronger than any G7 nation besides the US, while emissions per person are at their lowest levels in 28 years,” Acting Environment Minister Simon Birmingham said.

    “The choice at the next election is between our responsible balancing of environmental and economic considerations or Labor’s reckless doubling of emissions targets, which will smash our economy and drive electricity prices even higher.”

    Labor said its plan to ramp up emissions cuts was “calibrated to represent Australia’s fair share of emissions ­reductions to keep ­global warming to below 2C ”.

    Opposition climate change spokesman Mark Butler said it was no surprise that current commitments by Paris signatories would fail to keep temperature rises below 2C.

    “That is why the Paris Agreement includes a ratchet mechanism to increase ambition, and it is why the Morrison government are lying to Australians when they insist their already inadequate 26 per cent emissions-reduction target is sufficient and doesn’t need to be increased,” he said.

    Warwick McKibbin, an ANU economics professor and one of the report’s authors, said ­Australia could not avoid ­economic pain by pulling out of the agreement.

    “If we stay in, we’re better off because if we pull out, we’ll still be getting most of the economic damage — other countries won’t be buying our ­resources so much — but miss out on the benefits of curbing carbon emissions such as less pollution,” Professor McKibbin told The Australian.

    “You don’t have to believe in climate change at all to support staying in Paris. That said, if you just cared about jobs or real wages but didn’t care about climate or pollution, you’d stay out.”

    According to the report, Australia’s promised carbon emissions cuts equate to a 35 per cent reduction on forecast 2030 levels, compared with the US’s 25 per cent, China’s 27 per cent, Russia’s 20 per cent and Japan’s 42 per cent.

    The research compared the promises to reduce carbon emissions of eight nations or groups of nations, and the costs and benefits to each if all fulfilled their undertaking using a carbon tax, which economists say is the most efficient way to curb emissions.

    “Emissions are still not declining in absolute terms, let alone following a path consistent with a 2C stabilisation,” the research found, suggesting the goal of the Paris Agreement, signed in 2015, would not be reached even if all 197 participating countries lived up to their ­promises.

    The Minerals Council of Australia said the report confirmed the “significant negative impact” of lowering carbon emissions, but reiterated its support for the accord.

    MCA chief executive Tania Constable said using a mix of technologies and abatement methods was crucial to minimising the economic impact of emissions cuts in the treaty, and called for the removal of the ban on ­nuclear power under the Environment Protection and Bio­diversity Conservation Act. “This would be a costless way to allow zero emission dispatchable power sources available 24/7 into Australia’s energy mix,” she said.

    The paper assumed a gov­ernment-introduced $5-a-tonne carbon tax from 2020 — which neither the Coalition nor Labor has foreshadowed — to cut ­Australia’s carbon emissions by a promised 26-28 per cent on 2005 levels by 2030.

    In June 2017, Don­ald Trump withdrew the US from the agreement in a move many Australian conservatives, including Tony Abbott, wanted to ­emulate. But abandoning the treaty would make almost no difference to outcomes for Australia, assuming other signatories still fulfilled their promises, the study found.

    Professor McKibbin said a Chinese withdrawal, however, would have a big positive effect on economic outcomes for Australia: “They’d still buy our fossil fuels but we wouldn’t lose the ­environmental ‘co-benefits’ of lower carbon emissions at home.”

    The research found that ­“almost half of the reduction in global emissions comes from China’s participation”.

    Liberal backbencher Craig Kelly, who has consistently called for Australia to pull out of the Paris Agreement, said the report confirmed “Paris is not pain-free … There is a lot pain in cutting emissions by 26 per cent: in lower wages and lower GDP growth, and a lower exchange rate that makes all imported goods more expensive. The pain of a 45 per cent cut would be enormous.”

  21. John Constantine

    ” No one would have eaten Filboid Studge as a pleasure, but the grim austerity of its advertisement drove housewives in shoals to the grocers’ shops to clamour for an immediate supply. In small kitchens solemn pig-tailed daughters helped depressed mothers to perform the primitive ritual of its preparation. On the breakfast-tables of cheerless parlours it was partaken of in silence. Once the womenfolk discovered that it was thoroughly unpalatable, their zeal in forcing it on their households knew no bounds. “You haven’t eaten your Filboid Studge!” would be screamed at the appetiteless clerk as he turned weariedly from the breakfast-table, and his evening meal would be prefaced by a warmed-up mess which would be explained as “your Filboid Studge that you didn’t eat this morning.”

    Nothing new under the sun, here is the prediction of todays veganism.

    [ and now we have the billion dollar a year abc bully pulpit to preach that only Filboid Sludge can save the planet.]

    Comrades.

  22. John Constantine

    the Paris Agreement includes a ratchet mechanism to increase ambition,

  23. Bruce of Newcastle

    Nine/Fairfax faceplants…

    Nine News poll against Senator Fraser Anning backfires, big time.

    In the first four hours the poll gathered more than 47k responses, with over 38k participants voting NO. That’s over 80% of the voters.

    Oops!

    The poll is down to 70/30 in favour of Anning, presumably because it’s been spotted by the Left’s footsoldiers. Total is over 105k votes.

  24. pete m

    None, re the mary poppins returns review, here is one that closely matches my view:

    hope this works

    For me, it was not funny or witty, the non existent story line was obvious from the opening scene, the black lawyer in that era setting was a joke (and of course he was the nice guy), the characters were thinly developed and the songs were “meh”.

    Some loved it and I did like the new mary.

    Hated the bad guy banker angle – gee what’s new blame the big bad banker.

    Please see it if you like songs in movies, syrupy stories, bit of movie magic digital effects and to reminisce about the original.

  25. Black Ball

    The teachers’ union is opposing the government’s plan to tackle an urgent shortage of male teachers because it says recognising men as a minority in the profession would be ­offensive to gay, disabled and Aboriginal people.

    Mmmyes so gay, disabled and Aboriginal people, who in a majority of cases have no real interest in the Education Department would be running around the streets with their hair ablaze because of the use of the term ‘minority’. Maybe, just maybe the teacher’s union is projecting. Why must everything now be viewed through the prism of what blacks or gays think? Said it before, government intervention on black issues in particular needs to cease so we become determinate in our own futures instead of relying on sugar daddy. Rant over, have a good day all.

  26. calli

    Veganism is dangerous to health. The only one I know was ordered off it by her specialist – it was causing metabolic collapse plus terrible hormonal problems.

    Just stop, idiots.

  27. calli

    I remember being taken with my brother to see Mary Poppins at the Metro at Kings Cross. Back in the day when you bought a glossy program. Beside myself with excitement, I sang every song in the foyer waiting to go in. And the wonder of a choc-top (delivered by uniformed cigarette girl with a massive tray) at Intermission.

    I will not be watching the half-baked remake, even in Gold Class.

  28. John Constantine

    Anybody run the numbers on what it will cost to get the new 5g mobile network up and going in Australia?.

    Compared to money sunk into the ruddconroyturnbullites nbn?.

    Poor fella my country.

  29. calli

    Lol. “A massive tray” could be a new euphemism. Needs a vote.

  30. Entropys

    In June 2017, Don­ald Trump withdrew the US from the agreement in a move many Australian conservatives, including Tony Abbott, wanted to ­emulate. But abandoning the treaty would make almost no difference to outcomes for Australia, assuming other signatories still fulfilled their promises, the study found.

    Professor McKibbin said a Chinese withdrawal, however, would have a big positive effect on economic outcomes for Australia: “They’d still buy our fossil fuels but we wouldn’t lose the ­environmental ‘co-benefits’ of lower carbon emissions at home.”

    That reminds me of the modelling in the Garnaut paper: an assumption that there would be a global ETS by 2016. These models never have any sensitivity analysis of the outcome if “other signatories” don’t fufill their promises, a possibility which, IMHO, is guaranteed. It’s like Australia is the most gullible country hick in a room of vicious sophisticates.

  31. stackja

    Pub bans lemon, lime and bitters from being served to anyone younger than 18
    Derrick Krusche and Karen Collier, The Daily Telegraph
    January 8, 2019 10:38pm
    Subscriber only

    The teetotaller’s staple glass of lemon, lime and bitters is at the centre of a brew-haha after a pub banned it for containing ­alcohol.

    In what may come as a surprise to many, the aromatic key ingredient of the bar staple — Angostura bitters — has one of the highest alcohol contents of any mixer at 44 per cent.

    But because it is used in tiny doses — usually just a few drops mixed with lime cordial and topped off with lemonade — the standard pub version of the drink does not officially count as alcoholic under liquor licensing laws.

    But a recent law change in Victoria has prompted one pub to crack down on the drink, banning it from being served to anyone younger than 18 and for staff.

    The Panton Hill Hotel imposed the policy after new Victorian laws prohibited the supply of alcohol to minors on licensed premises under any circumstances.

    “The way we make it, it is no longer just a couple of drops of bitters,” the pub’s duty manager Lynda ­Hunter said.

    A Victorian Commission for Gambling and Liquor Regulation spokeswoman said a mixed lemon, lime and bitters would be considered an alcoholic drink only if a lot of bitters were added.

    “The minor addition of bitters to a soft drink would not normally constitute ­liquor under the legal definition,” she said.

  32. calli

    Good news about Hairy, Lizzie. These old buggers cause their wives no end of worry.

    Pedro, wot Joh said about retirement. My own take – keep active. Very active. I have a host of new skills I want to master lined up like drinks on a bar. This year’s ones are SLR photography and cheesemaking.

    I can then do arty, deep focus photos of my delicious artisan brie and cheddar for posterity.

    The photogaphy will also come in handy for Alaska, Canada, Panama and Galapagos, coming up later this year.

    Did I also mention travel? 😀

  33. stackja

    Eastwood rode to fame on six-year cattle drive
    HISTORY EDITOR
    TROY LENNON

    The theme music of a television series often lingers long after the show has gone. Such is the case with Rawhide. Even people who have never seen the series will recognise the song evoking the life of cattle drovers. It begins “Rollin’, rollin’, rollin’ ” and the original, recorded by Frankie Laine, uses the sounds of a whip cracking.
    The music, composed by Russian born composer Dimitri Tiomkin, first blared out on television sets 60 years ago today with the premiere of the series Rawhide. It would become one of the longest-running western series on television and made a star of a young actor called Clint Eastwood.
    Rawhide explored some interesting themes for a western, including racism and drug addiction and although there were longer running series and many more TV westerns before and after, Rawhide remains a classic of the genre.

  34. Eyrie

    Having once experienced strong winds, blowing dust and 43 degrees in Temora, if I owned Temora and Hell I’d live in Hell and rent out Temora.

  35. stackja

    Fraser Anning’s taxpayer-funded travel habits emerge after controversial Melbourne trip
    Sheradyn Holderhead, The Daily Telegraph
    January 8, 2019 9:03pm
    Subscriber only

    Queensland senator Fraser Anning has doubled down on his decision to bill taxpayers to attend a right-wing extremists rally despite being slammed by the prime minister for again associating with racism.

    Both sides of politics have criticised the independent senator’s presence at the Saturday event, which was attended by people making Nazi gestures. Scott Morrison condemned Senator Anning for attending the rally in St Kilda and associating with extreme and offensive views.

    But Senator Anning dismissed Mr Morrison, along with a chorus of critics from across the political divide.

    “They’re all left-wingers and unfortunately the PM hasn’t understood the Australian people want an alternative,” he told Nine’s A Current Affair.

    “As far as I’m concerned they’re all puppets to the United Nations.”

    Senator Anning said the “neo-Nazi stuff” was at a separate rally about 150 metres from where he was on St Kilda beach despite being seen with convicted criminal Blair Cottrell who has previously expressed admiration for Adolf Hitler.

    He said Nazi salutes were abhorrent to him, defending the $2852.80 he spent on flights to get to the rally, which he claimed was about “Sudanese gangs” being out of hand.

    “I went to a rally of decent Australians who are sick and tired of what’s happening in the city,” he said.

    In July, he joined Canadian far-right activist Lauren Southern at a rally in Sydney.

  36. stackja

    Panton Hill Hotel bans lemon, lime and bitters for children
    KAREN COLLIER, CONSUMER REPORTER, Herald Sun
    January 8, 2019 7:00pm
    Subscriber only

    A Victorian pub has banned children from drinking lemon, lime and bitters over fears it could be fined for serving alcohol to minors.

    The Panton Hill Hotel has had the policy since new state laws prohibiting the supply of alcohol to minors on licensed premises under any circumstances took effect last September.

    Previously, youngsters could legally have alcohol with a meal if accompanied by a parent or guardian.

  37. duncanm

    stackja
    #2902140, posted on January 9, 2019 at 8:04 am

    The theme music of a television series often lingers long after the show has gone. Such is the case with Rawhide.

    The Blues Brother’s kept Rawhide alive.

  38. calli

    I note that Trump is giving his first address to the nation after two and a bit years as elected President.

    I also note that the Dems are requesting demanding equal air time for rebuttal after claiming that the TV networks “caved” to Trump.

    Is this a precedent, or did the Republicans do this whenever Obama addressed the nation?

  39. cohenite

    Upthread a few people including head prefect, which is no surprise, have commented negatively about Interstellar:

    Interstellar was very disappointing.
    Firstly, there was the requisite background doom story- our agriculture was failing because of some Monsanto created monster:

    Of course the screenplay was written based on a gerbil worming disaster. But even DPRCal audiences found it too preachy.

    In fact Interstellar rips off alarmism and is otherwise a great movie despite having the idiot never Trumper mconoughey in it:

    https://theclimatescepticsparty.blogspot.com/2014/11/interstellar-hollywood-leaves-agw-in.html

  40. Helen

    So I wonder if that Paris Accord Report considered the economic cost benefit of no renewables against subsidised renewables? Or was it more shallow?

  41. cohenite

    And a belated thanks to Tom for his gathering of cartoons; always a great way to start the day.

  42. calli

    A neat description of the Urban Bugman written seventy three years ago:

    “His education had been neither scientific nor classical—merely “Modern.” The severities both of abstraction and of high human tradition had passed him by: and he had neither peasant shrewdness nor aristocratic honour to help him. He was a man of straw, a glib examinee in subjects that require no exact knowledge (he had always done well on Essays and General Papers) and the first hint of a real threat to his bodily life knocked him sprawling.”
    ― C.S. Lewis, That Hideous Strength

  43. stackja

    Scott Morrison Photoshop fail on official family portrait
    news.com.au
    9 minutes ago

    In politics they say perception is everything. Which is probably why the Prime Minister’s spin doctors saw fit to make an odd change to an otherwise charming family portrait.

    Scott Morrison, wife Jenny and daughters Lily and Abbey were pictured on his official website pm.gov.au, sitting close together in the sun in a garden (possibly at the Lodge or Kirribilli we can’t tell).

    The eyes of Australian voters wouldn’t normally be drawn to the Prime Minister’s feet, but in this case, we have been led there by the eagle-eyed team from Labor leader’s media unit who have tweeted a Photoshop fail of hilarious proportions.

    Mr Morrison has hit back at the scandal with a tongue-in-cheek response on Twitter this morning.

    “Message to my Department (PM&C): I didn’t ask for the shoeshine, but if you must Photoshop, please focus on the hair (lack thereof), not the feet!” he wrote.

    “Here they are in all their glory – my footwear of choice whenever I can get out of a suit.”

  44. Bruce of Newcastle

    Lefty MSM spots the tip of an iceberg…

    Just 6 immigrants stopped at border were on terror watch list: report

    US Customs and Border Protection encountered only a half-dozen immigrants on the US-Mexico border in the first half of fiscal year 2018 whose names were on the feds’ list of known or suspected terrorists, NBC News reported, citing CBP data.

    I love the use of the words “just” and “only”. The border patrol detains 6 people on the terrorist watch list in a six month period.

    Which suggests maybe 30 or 40 managed to cross the border undetected. In six months. Which then suggests many hundreds have successfully entered the US undetected in the last five years say.

    Don’t look below the surface whatever you do in case there may be more iceberg than is visible.

  45. stackja

    NT’s foremost crocodile expert Professor Grahame Webb says salties need to be made ‘extinct’ in Darwin Harbour
    MATT CUNNINGHAM, Sky News
    January 9, 2019 12:48am
    Subscriber only

    ONE of the world’s leading crocodile conservation experts says new practices need to be considered to eradicate salties from Darwin Harbour, including shooting them if necessary.

    Professor Grahame Webb from Crocodylus Park called for a revamp of crocodile management practices after more than 300 crocodiles were removed from Darwin Harbour for the second straight year in 2018.

    “It sounds strange to people but the object of this issue is to make crocodiles extinct in Darwin Harbour for public safety reasons, and we’ve been unable to do it,” he said.

    Parks and Wildlife Rangers removed 307 crocodiles from Darwin Harbour in 2018 after a record haul of 344 in 2017.

    Professor Webb said it was important crocodile management did “not just become an institutionalised program like a cleaning contract” and said shooting crocodiles could be more effective and cost-efficient than trapping them.

    “Is trapping really the most efficient way of keeping people safe? It’s not about an animal welfare problem at all, and the crocs that get caught in the traps, most of them go out and get to a farm and get rolled anyway,” he said.

    “We shouldn’t lose sight of the fact that the goal is a public safety goal not an exercise in catching crocodiles.

  46. calli

    Yes, I saw that Bruce.

    How many terrorists does it take to bomb a crowd? Maybe a concert or a marathon?

    The press, in it’s hatred of Trump, is endangering US citizens. One wonders what will happen on the inevitable day of reckoning.

  47. C.L.

    Sour gay leftist anchorloon Don Lemon calls for Trump’s national address to be “delayed” by networks so they can edit his remarks about border security.

    His CNN stablemate Chris Cuomo’s incredulous reaction is priceless:

    http://ace.mu.nu/archives/379066.php

  48. Mater

    Guys, I’m sorry for the relatively long post but I came across this exchange under a video I posted a couple of days ago (about National Socialism).
    If you want to know how to win, watch this women go. Watch her pivot, it’s masterful.
    I think Struth would approve.

    Vicky Caramel:
    Who are you to tell anyone that they are confused? You are a socialist!

    History Of Socialism:
    Mises really? Austrian school of economics is the reason why Chile became such a mess under Pinochet so I don’t take them too seriously.

    America is a free market utopia and people still die because they cant get access to healthcare. It has a terrible education system and university is basically impossible unless your really rich. There’s a reason people voted trump and thats cos most people are fed up of the status quo where people have in real terms seen the economy grow and grow and yet their interest adjusted wages have remained static if not dropped. The free market is what has caused this housing crisis in England where young people can barely afford to live and rent is through the roof.

    History Of Socialism:
    yes and as a socialist i know a thing or two about what im advocating. Tik has confused a lot of socialist ideas as explained by my other post. Including but not limited to: what socialism actually is, what communism is, what classes are etc. He has accidentally misrepresented socialism.

    Vicky Caramel:
    You hit the nail on the head. You are “advocating”, you are an advocate. An apologist. You are here to defend your ideology and promote your dogma… show it in the best possible light and hide all it’s sins. And no doubt you believe your own bullshit, but none the less it’s bullshit.

    And Socialism and Communism have their own particular brand of sophistry…. in fact there have been books written on the subject, some of them written by socialists! We are well aware of the tactics you use. One of your favorites is redefining things — the fallacy of Argumentum ad dictionarium.

    Your wizardry will not work here. The role of the historian is to explain, discover the threads which lead to specific events, to explain motivations, rationals, justifications and PUT THINGS IN CONTEXT. You are doing the exact opposite and cherry picking and fitting things into specific definitions, stripping away influence and nuance.

    As I just told another commie, your aim is not to do history, but instead to condense things down into campaign slogans and sell your ideology.

    I really think TIK should go on the offensive now that he has Reds brigading him and point out (from a historical perspective) that Socialism has never worked and killed more people than the fascism ever did. “Why Socialism is worse than Nazism” would be an excellent subject for a video.

    History Of Socialism:
    Vicky Caramel, firstly the context implied that as a socialist I advocate for socialism not that I am presently advocating for socialism (if you want to have that chat then sure but that’s not the one we’re having now)

    Secondly how am I an apologist? I said tik was wrong and that the general academic consensus and all evidence agrees with me that national socialism is not a form of socialism. That’s not apologising for anything?

    Thirdly how am I being dogmatic?

    As for definitions There are thousands of books on socialist theory and 100s of influential philosophers, sociologists, economists etc who have written about yeah it’s pretty complicated and definitions don’t change it’s just they are really complicated and people disagree about what they really are.

    As for socialism never working according to him he lives in a socialist country and so is basically every country so socialism clearly hasn’t failed 😂

    I mean the nazis had death camps and he soviets didnt. As a rule of thumb the guys with the death camps are the baddies

    Also how can socialism be worse than naziism if their the same thing 🤔

    Vicky Caramel:
    Actually…. all the evidence says that the Fascists were socialists. I am one of those people who read this subject, probably before many of you were born, I have known it for decades. I have never seen an “academic” consensus which says otherwise. That’s weasel words if ever there were any. In what academic discipline is their an consensus on this matter?
    I guess we must move in different circles. About a week ago I was watching a video by a historian talking about the battle for France, he invited the audience to buy his latest book on Amazon. I followed the link and it was a book about the Socialist roots of National Socialism. I have never read any of these books but there are plenty of them about. I do not get the impression the the consensus of historians is on your side. Within the circles I move in, Socialism and Fascism are seen as different ends of the same turd, they come from the same asshole. Unlike you, I have no desire to cling to either end and so I have no great interest forcing a distinction.

    I see no evidence what-so-ever that Hitler was a capitalist, no evidence that he was anything I recognize as a conservative. None of his motives seem liberal. Despite the claims by socialists here that he was a capitalist pretending to be a socialist, all the evidence points to him being a socialist pretending to be sympathetic to capitalists. Even the Neo-Nazis today, describe themselves as anti-capitalist socialists.

    I almost typed, “I don’t see how you can deny otherwise” …but then realized that I am addressing somebody with a red flag and a picture of Marx on their avatar. I do hope you realize that most people will draw the conclusion that you are a moron? I don’t see how anyone can know anything about the “history of socialism” and still think it’s a good idea.

    All you can do is asset you have the consensus, assert you have the evidence, and define socialism on the narrowest terms. That’s dogmatic.

    History Of Socialism:
    okay so there are socialist roots within naziism sure like mussolini was a socialist before he became a fascist. They were influenced by socialists and you can freely take the opinion that naziism and communism are two sides of the same totalitarian coin. I would disagree with that opinion but its not completely wrong.

    Tik however has said that naziism IS socialism and in this episode even said its a form of marxism and THAT is the point of contention because that is what is obviously wrong.

    also can you stop with the adhom’s its pointless and undermines your argument. As for socialism being a stupid idea here’s a list of a few famous socialists: Einstein, Sartre, Camus etc. Basically the entirety of sociological thought originates in Marx.

    Vicky Caramel:
    So basically you are pointing out that nazism is socialism…. it just isn’t your kind of socialism. We knew that. Even the Fascist knew that, that’s pretty much why they renamed it as “fascism”.
    What National Socialism definitely ISN’T is right wing, conservative or capitalist. So it isn’t so much that TIK i winning this debate, but socialists are losing it.

    You need to look up what a “ad hom” is. Pointing out the blindingly obvious is not an ad hominem. It no more undermines my argument than pointing out to a flat earther that they are a flat earther. If I really wanted you to look like an idiot I only need to draw you out with words like, “Venezuela”, “Zimbabwe” and watch you tie yourself in knots trying to explain why that’s not socialism either.

    No, sociological thought does not originate with Marx. The Ancient Celts had laws concerning the care of orphans, the elderly and infirm 2k years ago. Religions are full of sociological thought. But if moderns sociological thought is so heavily influenced by Marx, that might explain why the social sciences are such a clusterfuck of dumpster fires, and why you can claim consensus over who gets into the socialism club.

    History Of Socialism:
    Vicky Caramel no I said the ideas of socialists did influence the fascists particularly the sorellians. I wouldn’t mind living in Cuba if you could pay for my flight and citizenship. I even wouldn’t mind living in Venezuela it’s actually quite nice and the main crisis is being dealt with.

    The celts had laws but that’s not sociology is it that’s just a social norm

    Vicky Caramel:
    “I wouldn’t mind living in Cuba if you could pay….”
    You want the capitalist if pay for it? Socialism in a fucking nutshell.

    Mstislaw AA:
    Vicky Caramel, Cuba is still a better place to live than ”democratic” Mexico, where people get killed each day and week, and no one bats an eye and government does jack shit about it.
    Not only is the nation poor, it also has probably one of the highest crime rates on the American continent.
    Capitalist paradise for you. If you don’t have a nation to leech on, that is.

    Vicky Caramel:
    So your best socialist paradise is so amazing, you have to compare it to Mexico in order for it to look good.

    Cuba has had over 50 years to get socialism right, and the average wage is $4 a week. Socialism — making everybody equal by making everybody poor, although some are more equal than other eh? Still, things are slowly improving…. thanks to capitalism. I’d still rather live in Mexico.

    You know it’s still the case that capitalist countries need to build walls to keep people out, socialist countries build walls to keep people in. Cuba is no exception.

    Admiral Scheer:
    Vicky Caramel with its biggest pre revolution trading partner (the US) putting embargoes and sanctions on it, trying to assassinate castor multiple times… Of let’s not forget the bay of pigs incident! Really when faced with enemies on all sides and your main ally and trading partner dissolves in a referendum that ignored the popular vote, why would you expect it to be a paradise? Its a damn sight better than many capitalist nations, has one of the best healthcare systems in the world and near 100% literacy, which was also pathetically low before the revolution and the ‘literacy brigades’ which was where volunteers would go around and teach people to read and write. Cuba has done remarkable well considering the context of its history and all the actions taken against it.

    Also purchasing power is a local thing. Equating wages to dollars doesn’t work well anywhere really.

    Vicky Caramel:
    And all you had to do to get a decent healthcare system and 100% literacy was murder and torture thousands, and keep the entire population in poverty and terrified for half a century.
    Meanwhile, capitalism has halved the poverty rate worldwide, virtually eradicated famine and starvation — the poverty rate in western capitalist countries has gone from 90% to 10%, and even so… we have gone from a situation where the poor used to suffer from malnutrition to one where they suffer from obesity, and a situation where people with mobile phones and flat screen TVs are considered poor.

    Vicky Caramel
    @Ken Barlow ~ How can you claim there is a consensus when your argument is based on the economics… Economists disagree with you.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTvQBhYoJms&feature=youtu.be&t=30m35s ~ Here is an academic arguing that Nazis was a socialist, quoting a Nobel Prize winning accademic who says the Nazis were socialist. Where’s your academic consensus?

    Karim Wilmotte:
    “virtually eradicated famine and starvation ”
    +- 10 000 000 dead by “not enough food” per year are agree with you.

    Just remember that the issue is: Are nazi a kind of socialism? What is socialism?

    Vicky Caramel:
    @ Karim Wilmotte – the people who still die of starvation and famine, are usually in some war zone where a bunch of socialists are trying to have a violent revolution.

    Karim Wilmotte:
    You’re just don’t have any idea of the issue, right?

    Vicky Caramel:
    of course i am, there just isn’t enough capitalism in the world.

    Karim Wilmotte:
    Most of the world is capitalist…

    Vicky Caramel:
    Yes, all the best parts. The places with the most openness, most freedom, most innovation, most wealth, the countries that everybody wants to go to. It should be clear by now that Marx was wrong, socialism in not the natural way, the collapse of capitalism is not inevitable.

    Karim Wilmotte:
    Believe what you want.

    Vicky Caramel:
    No, I never believe what I want — I believe what I can justifiably believe based on the facts and evidence.

    Karim Wilmotte:
    Then, watch you fact.
    But, i will not loose my time with you anymore.

    The issue is the title of the video.
    And will not argue more with a believer.

    Vicky Caramel:
    I suggest you go somewhere where the facts won’t step on your ideology.
    ….you are a socialists aren’t you? Who is the believer again?

    Karim Wilmotte:
    You.
    But, i will not loose my time with you anymore.

    Vicky Caramel:
    Good plan, you are getting an ass kicking.

  49. Boambee John

    Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
    #2902028, posted on January 8, 2019 at 10:59 pm
    Thanks, Zulu. Yes, M0nts needs to revise his ways too. His wife should give him the lifestyle lecture; I expect she already has done so, focusing on donuts.

    The wife has a very important role here. I had a stent inserted six and a half years ago after a heart attack. Over the next three months, my wife “adjusted” my diet. Minimal sugar, no bought biscuits, no sweets (Let him eat cashews!), more fish and chicken (preferably skinless). I lost 13kgs in that period. The diet has been eased a little bit now, and I have put two kgs back on. We walk anywhere between 40 and 60 minutes daily (weather permitting), and use an exercise bike.

    On diet, look for books by Dr Ross Walker for healthy recipes.

    Best wishes to Hairy for a quick recovery.

  50. Best wishes for Hairy there Lizzie.
    It may not seem so but he’s lucky to have the problem fixed before disaster strikes.
    Two relatives of mine have had the stents put in but another did not get the warning. A fine family man, very fit with a high paid managerial job. He went for a jog and didn’t come back.
    I’m sure Hairy will complain of rattling like a pill jar with all the medication that goes with the preceedure and after care.

  51. pete m

    Calli, I liked how the word tray was moved to the next line so we had a second to wonder what the young lass had massive ….

    Nice 1 centurion.

  52. Makka

    Just 6 immigrants stopped at border were on terror watch list: report

    So one jihadi (or 6) taking a truck and mowing a down a few dozen innocents is no biggie according to the Dems. It’s an acceptable outcome in order to have open borders and lots of new leftist votes. So suck it up proles.

    And let’s not discuss the thousands of potential cop killing gang bangers that should also be let through according to the Dems. If anyone should be swinging from lamp posts it’s the open borders loonies.

  53. C.L.

    Just 6 immigrants stopped at border were on terror watch list: report

    Just six child r-pists were caught seeking employment at the kindergarten.

  54. stackja

    Man shot in the foot during wild brawl on busy strip
    Henry Lynch, Lucy Hughes Jones, Dani Pogson and Mark Morri, The Daily Telegraph
    26 minutes ago
    Subscriber only

    One of two men accused of shooting another man in the foot during a wild brawl in Sydney’s west was allegedly then pistol-whipped with his own gun by a bystander.

    A mechanic at the scene said he pistol-whipped one of the attackers with their own gun on Monday afternoon.

    “I was in the shop and all I heard was a couple of real loud bangs,” he said.

    “I see the blokes across the road wrestling, my boss kicks the gun away and we get one of the blokes on the ground.

    “I picked up the gun … it was bigger than the ones the cops have.

    “I went up to one of the blokes and hit him across the face with it.”

    The witness described the gun as looking similar to a Glock 17.

    Houda and another man were taken to Granville Police Station, while Niazy was taken to hospital under police guard after suffering several facial injuries.

    “There was a guy lying down with handcuffs on and his face was split in many different areas.

    “It looked like he had a broken nose and cheeks”.

  55. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    The ups and downs of life, as someone above has said. Thanks to all well-wishers for our recent downer, all’s good now and how right Hairy was to insist on retirement against the blandishments of his final employer rather than staggering on for more years of stress putting the world to rights.

    Pedro’s retirement piece reflecting on the good and the bad of his time at work in WA’s mining sector is a classic. The rose-covered cottage sounds wonderful, Pedro. Best wishes for good health to enjoy it. Don’t be like Hairy, who is hard to drag to doctors because dey always find something. Given the marvels of modern medicine, the only downside there is the travel insurance, but I hope our unusually tolerant provider will just do the usual and up the price.

    They did it via the wrist not the groin, Bruce of WA, taking care to assess his blood thinning medication (due to multiple DVT’s) and thanks for your encouraging words. I’ve put Hairy’s recent experience up here because I think it likely a lot of Cats have had, or will have, stents at some time. It is helpful not to feel on your onesome with it. At this stage, as he is now retired, and with public spiritedness in mind, I doubt he would object to me saying he has also had excellent treatment five years ago for prostate cancer via brachytherapy ‘seed’ insertion radiation, coming through it with none of the feared side effects of surgery. Hairy is a basically fit man, suffering the CEO Syndrome ‘high testosterone and stress’ diseases. Born under a lucky star (so far; not wanting to tempt the fates) as not everyone is suitable for brachytherapy, he is now in his post-60 years, when health issues do step in. Given the attendees, the waiting room for a renowned cancer surgeon at St. Vincents is said to be like a top corporate board meeting. We chose an alternative treatment path, having heard horror stories regarding surgery, not for ineptness of course, but for outcomes. For the cancer itself, recent long-term outcome studies for brachytherapy are proven as good as surgery and the side effects are definitely less. Hairy and I know how difficult it is to grapple with this particular form of cancer diagnosis, as a sexually-loving couple, and I think to share our experience may be useful to others here. ‘Watchful waiting’ (he waited long enough imho, understandably not keen to face the treatment issues) was no longer an option for him, according to the various specialists we consulted during that time.

    The Cat has mostly been my place for being light-hearted so I won’t go on about this any more. I am going to have a scented bubble bath now and then go sign the sticky-chested (h/t M0nty) hairy one out of hospital, where he is no doubt rattling the bars. 🙂

  56. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    The ups and downs of life, as someone above has said. Thanks to all well-wishers for our recent downer, all’s good now and how right Hairy was to insist on retirement against the blandishments of his final employer rather than staggering on for more years of stress putting the world to rights.

    Pedro’s retirement piece reflecting on the good and the bad of his time at work in WA’s mining sector is a classic. The rose-covered cottage sounds wonderful, Pedro. Best wishes for good health to enjoy it. Don’t be like Hairy, who is hard to drag to doctors because dey always find something. Given the marvels of modern medicine, the only downside there is the travel insurance, but I hope our unusually tolerant provider will just do the usual and up the price.

    They did it via the wrist not the groin, Bruce of WA, taking care to assess his blood thinning medication (due to multiple DVT’s) and thanks for your encouraging words. I’ve put Hairy’s recent experience up here because I think it likely a lot of Cats have had, or will have, stents at some time. It is helpful not to feel on your onesome with it. At this stage, as he is now retired, and with public spiritedness in mind, I doubt he would object to me saying he has also had excellent treatment five years ago for prostate cancer via brachytherapy ‘seed’ insertion radiation, coming through it with none of the feared side effects of surgery. Hairy is a basically fit man, suffering the CEO Syndrome ‘high testosterone and stress’ diseases. Born under a lucky star (so far; not wanting to tempt the fates) as not everyone is suitable for brachytherapy, he is now in his post-60 years, when health issues do step in. Given the attendees, the waiting room for a renowned cancer surgeon at St. Vincents is said to be like a top corporate board meeting. We chose an alternative treatment path, having heard horror stories regarding surgery, not for ineptness of course, but for outcomes. For the cancer itself, recent long-term outcome studies for brachytherapy are proven as good as surgery and the side effects are definitely less. Hairy and I know how difficult it is to grapple with this particular form of cancer diagnosis, as a loving couple, and I think to share our experience may be useful to others here. ‘Watchful waiting’ (he waited long enough imho, understandably not keen to face the treatment issues) was no longer an option for him, according to the various specialists we consulted during that time.

    The Cat has mostly been my place for being light-hearted so I won’t go on about this any more. I am going to have a scented bubble bath now and then go sign the sticky-chested (h/t M0nty) hairy one out of hospital, where he is no doubt rattling the bars. 🙂

  57. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Posted a comment which may have gone into moderation for a while. Reduced version below:

    The ups and downs of life, as someone above has said. Thanks to all well-wishers for our recent downer, all’s good now and how right Hairy was to insist on retirement against the blandishments of his final employer rather than staggering on for more years of stress putting the world to rights.

    Pedro’s retirement piece reflecting on the good and the bad of his time at work in WA’s mining sector is a classic. The rose-covered cottage sounds wonderful, Pedro. Best wishes for good health to enjoy it. Don’t be like Hairy, who is hard to drag to doctors because dey always find something. Given the marvels of modern medicine, the only downside there is the travel insurance, but I hope our unusually tolerant provider will just do the usual and up the price.

  58. Tom

    Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
    #2901998, posted on January 8, 2019 at 10:17 pm
    Well, my own Hairy Ape is now reposing in hospital with wires all over his chest recovering from being the proud possessor of a Stent, put in today.

    Lizzie, I missed that as I’m usually asleep and skip the evening’s entertainment on the Cat. Hairy is in good hands and will probably outlive you.

    In the meantime, I look forward to the hilarious battles ahead. Good thing you’ve accepted you can’t change him.

  59. C.L.

    A mechanic at the scene said he pistol-whipped one of the attackers with their own gun on Monday afternoon.

    “I was in the shop and all I heard was a couple of real loud bangs,” he said.

    “I see the blokes across the road wrestling, my boss kicks the gun away and we get one of the blokes on the ground.

    “I picked up the gun … it was bigger than the ones the cops have.

    “I went up to one of the blokes and hit him across the face with it.”

    Foolish to identify the bystander like that. Men who take pistols to arguments are usually organised crime figures.

  60. Mater

    Apologies Sinc, just delete it. Obviously too long or included naughty words…or both.
    Thanks.

  61. C.L.

    A mechanic at the scene said he pistol-whipped one of the attackers with their own gun on Monday afternoon.

    I’m thoroughly sick and tired of this grammatical travesty.

  62. OldOzzie

    Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
    #2901998, posted on January 8, 2019 at 10:17 pm
    Well, my own Hairy Ape is now reposing in hospital with wires all over his chest recovering from being the proud possessor of a Stent, put in today.

    Lizzie,

    tell Hairy Ape he will get well – ex=chairman had stents put in 20 years ago – still going strong in his 70s

    OldOzzie

  63. Baldrick

    Lizzie,
    Not meaning to sound pessimistic but tell Hairy not to be complacent just because he has a stent. They can and regularily do block again in as little as 12 months and may reqiure re-stenting.
    Make sure he’s aware of the warning signs, particularly any chest pain or a feeling of tightness in the chest.
    Stents are life savers but they’re not the panacea for heart disease.

  64. OldOzzie

    Lizzie,

    Re Baldrick’s Comment

    Not meaning to sound pessimistic but tell Hairy not to be complacent just because he has a stent. They can and regularily do block again in as little as 12 months and may reqiure re-stenting.

    Make sure he’s aware of the warning signs, particularly any chest pain or a feeling of tightness in the chest.

    Stents are life savers but they’re not the panacea for heart disease.

    I received an email from Wirthings (why I am not sure)

    But they

    Withings returns to CES with new devices & new awards.

    Meet three new additions to the award-winning family of Withings products, innovations that can help you enjoy connecting to your health.

    2 of those additions could be of use to Hairy for monitoring his heart

    1. Move ECG

    The first analog watch with on-demand ECG boasts a 1-year battery life so you never miss an AFib episode.

    2. BPM Core

    Our new smart blood pressure monitor includes a digital stethoscope and ECG to help you take control of your cardiovascular health.

    Hope of Use/Interest

    OldOzzie

  65. stackja

    Blackboard blackball
    https://quadrant.org.au/

    The Daily Telegraph today reports (paywalled) on the shrinking ranks of male teachers:

    The number of male teachers in NSW public schools has plummeted to an alarming new low from which experts fear it may never recover.

    The situation has got so dire the NSW Department of Education will establish a “male teacher employee network” within schools and conduct research into the barriers and challenges male teachers face in their job.

    That “research” has already been done by Quadrant contributor Christopher Heathcote, who wrote in our May, 2018, edition of his unsuccessful two-year quest in Victoria to secure the position of a secondary school english teacher. Given Christopher’s skills as a writer, his command of nuts-and-bolts punctuation and the like, plus a keen intelligence, you might think any school worth its salt would snap him up in a second. Such was not the case. Frustrated and baffled, he began tracking appointments, especially at those schools where his applications had been rejected without explanation. He writes:

    I was after work teaching English in a government secondary school, but had landed not a single interview. I did no end of tinkering on my applications to make them more attractive. I even sought advice from the staff where I gained my secondary teaching qualification; but nothing worked. As months passed I was utterly baffled, and depressed.

    So forming a database, then examining the statistics, appeared a means to fathom who government sector schools were selecting ..

    … Had the government checked its own figures for potential bias, it would have spotted two schools standing out in the surveyed Melbourne region. Taylors Lakes Secondary College appointed nine women English teachers and two men English teachers during the two-year survey period, which equates to over four women hired for every man.

    This imbalance paled against Keilor Downs Secondary College, which appointed seventeen female teachers and only one male teacher in the survey period.

    Seventeen-to-one is seriously disproportionate. It cannot be reconciled statistically with impartial, unprejudiced staff selection. Men didn’t seem to stand a chance. Women kept scoring the jobs whenever Keilor Downs advertised for English teachers.

    Christopher’s account of his travails can be read in full here.

    For further insights, the topics under discussion at the recently concluded Gender and Education Conference at Newcastle University makes fascinating reading.

    Judging by the topic titles and their misspellings, english teachers are sorely needed in our schools.

  66. Tom

    I’m thoroughly sick and tired of this grammatical travesty.

    CL, a while ago, I was lecturing at J-school and regularly threw up my hands at the illiteracy of my charges: I couldn’t believe what was being turned out of secondary school.

    “Have you considered the possibility,” a fellow teacher asked, “that their English teachers were also illiterate?”

    I think that’s what we’re up against.

  67. Old School Conservative

    Bruce of Newcastle
    #2902126, posted on January 9, 2019 at 7:43 am
    Nine/Fairfax faceplants…
    Nine News poll against Senator Fraser Anning backfires, big time.

    The poll is chillingly Orwellian.
    To assume it is OK to remove an Australian from his job for expressing a view is totalitarian.
    To assume an elected parliamentarian can be forced out of representing his state for having an opinion is just wrong.
    To hang a pejorative in the poll question make the poll an exercise in bias.

    Nine should be widely, loudly, eviscerated for this slide towards groupthink.

  68. Old School Conservative

    Shit.
    Just as Tom and CL are rightly discussing grammatical travesties, I write make instead of makes.

  69. Tel

    Sour gay leftist anchorloon Don Lemon calls for Trump’s national address to be “delayed” by networks so they can edit his remarks about border security.

    You have to remember that it’s totally NORMAL for networks to cut and edit interviews and other material to give the worst impression possible. They are habitual liars … but Don Lemon simply got the brain fade and forgot that he isn’t supposed to make this obvious to the viewers … while Cuomo is trying to nudge him with the “nobody talks about Fight Club” stare of death.

    Lemon is not coming up with ideas out of the blue here, he is reverting to form. They honestly believe that they were appointed to be in charge of manipulating the message at all times.

  70. Old School Conservative

    Any alumni of Sydney University here?
    Read this and weep.

    The University of Sydney was last night forced to delete a Facebook post in which it pledged support for left-wing activist group GetUp’s new campaign to target 18 conservative MPs in the lead-up to the federal election. (The Oz)

  71. Rae

    rattling like a pill jar with all the medication that goes with the preceedure and after care

    Just one CoPlavix (clopidogrel) a day for 6 to 12 months is all that is needed to keep a stent clean and clot free.

  72. Diogenes

    The situation has got so dire the NSW Department of Education will establish a “male teacher employee network” within schools and conduct research into the barriers and challenges male teachers face in their job.

    In response to the unions response “Your attitude OFFENDS ME, a miniority is a minority. You are a bunch of total utter and complete morons ! Diogenes Member Number 123456789.

    I hadn’t thought about male vs female in high schools until it was raised here.

    I know in Primary Schools the situation is dire for male teachers , and in many prmary students will never ever get a male teacher. In speaking to friends & friends of friends with primary aged boys, who were lucky enough to get a male, they generally say how much their son improved , academically and socially that year and how they want them to get another male teacher before they hit high school.

    Then I thought about our shop , Boss , male, 3 x deputy female, HTs 3 male, 6 female, counted the rest of the males – 70ish teaching staff , only 19 blokes, 3 in PDHPE , 4 in TAS, none in CAPA, 4 science, 3 maths, 3 Core, 1 English, 1 HSIE (other than the HT) .

  73. stackja

    Bruce of Newcastle
    #2902126, posted on January 9, 2019 at 7:43 am

    Thank you. I just voted No.
    No 66/34 115.6k votes

  74. stackja

    With all the free publicity. Will FA be re-elected? Make for an interesting Senate.

  75. rickw

    The number of male teachers in NSW public schools has plummeted to an alarming new low from which experts fear it may never recover.

    Leaving insane women to teach the kids, guaranteed disaster.

  76. Mater

    Struth,
    If you’re out there, have a look at my post that’s just come out of moderation. I think you’ll appreciate the talent of the lady.

    http://catallaxyfiles.com/2019/01/07/monday-forum-january-7-2019/comment-page-5/#comment-2902159

  77. thefrolickingmole

    Pedro the Ignorant

    Congrats on your timing & retirement, you didnt consider holding out for a few more months to see if the boom restated in earnest?

    Or was the looming specter of a Shorten looting cartel a strong incentive to cash out now?

  78. stackja

    rickw
    #2902195, posted on January 9, 2019 at 10:00 am
    The number of male teachers in NSW public schools has plummeted to an alarming new low from which experts fear it may never recover.

    Leaving insane women to teach the kids, guaranteed disaster.

    All going to plan? Demonise men in all areas. Then watch the results. Another leftist ‘success’ .

  79. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Seems today’s the day that John Setka has to front the beak in Melbourne.

  80. stackja

    Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
    #2902201, posted on January 9, 2019 at 10:09 am
    Seems today’s the day that John Setka has to front the beak in Melbourne.

    MSM no show?

  81. struth

    Good Moaning.
    Lizzie, my father died of a heart attack……………for nearly two minutes when he was 41 yo.
    They brought him back, and he is now 77 yo.

    After the first triple heart bypass at 41, he has had a total of 16 stents put in over the years, (they believe it could be a record, and has just undergone his second triple heart bypass successfully.

    Dad also has had two minor heart attacks during that time, but can feel angina pain and knows what to do.
    Lizzie, Hairy has much going for him now, and he’ll be monitoring it for the rest of his life.
    It’s plumbing and the pump won’t work through a blockage.
    I have watched my dad a number of times not be able to lift his arm up from the hospital bed, without bringing on an attack requiring under the tongue glycerine , to having a stint put in and walking like a new man out of hospital the next day.

    Just keep an eye on it, Lizzie, it’s not the end of the world.
    Love ya and thinking of you guys.

  82. Old School Conservative

    Leaving insane women to teach the kids, guaranteed disaster.

    Anecdote o’clock.
    Grandson started school in 2018 (bloody hell, tempus fugit!) as a shy, quiet boy unsure of the big adventure awaiting him.
    His female (40 ish) teacher gave him lots of practical and emotional support as he eased into routines, friendships, mistakes, and learning. She was wonderful, spending a lot of time with each child in her class to ensure they found their way in the new environment.

    By the end of the year he was enjoying school immensely and doing very well on all metrics.
    She on the other hand was relieved of her temporary position for not teaching the curriculum* rigorously enough.

    Not all female teachers are insane – many are excellent.

    *The curriculum, as explained by the robot pretending to be Principal, was “not to teach the 10 rivers of NSW, but to develop skills for jobs that haven’t been invented, like critical thinking skills.”

  83. Frank

    Regarding the terrorists at the border thing above, Mark Steyn made the point ages ago that the IRA only ever had 100 people operational at any one time. This was in response to the numbers are only small argument that gets trotted out all the time.

  84. Nelson Kidd-Players

    I’m sure you’ve said “Blessed are the cheese makers” in the past, Calli. I didn’t realise you were potentially being self-referential… 😉

  85. Bruce of Newcastle

    Taking toads to the bank.

    Cane toad kill reward spruiked by Hanson

    Australians should get 10 cents for every cane toad they kill this summer, according to One Nation leader Pauline Hanson.

    In a letter to Prime Minister Scott Morrison, the senator has argued the bounty could help curb the invasive species whose poisonous toxin kills some native animals.

    Maybe people can put them into those machines that give 10c per returned bottle. Toad in the hole!

  86. Silstone;

    “…if our government is smart…” they would work with other like-minded nations, and just shut up and handle these high profile cases behind the scenes.

    It’s a chance to virtue signal at parties, which is an opportunity no politician would pass up, even if it was to the detriment of the nation.

  87. Old School Conservative

    Mater, great post.
    I’m sweet on Vicky Caramel.

  88. OldOzzie

    This clever AI hid data from its creators to cheat at its appointed task

    Depending on how paranoid you are, this research from Stanford and Google will be either terrifying or fascinating. A machine learning agent intended to transform aerial images into street maps and back was found to be cheating by hiding information it would need later in “a nearly imperceptible, high-frequency signal.” Clever girl!

    But in fact this occurrence, far from illustrating some kind of malign intelligence inherent to AI, simply reveals a problem with computers that has existed since they were invented: they do exactly what you tell them to do.

  89. struth

    It’s not just men being kicked out of schools, but also any conservative women as well.

    I’ve known a few.
    I think some of you may recall me speaking about a dear lady who joined the convoy in Adelaide and came right through to Canberra with us.
    In her little Toyota corolla.
    In amongst the trucks.
    A beautiful older woman who had been harassed out of education, not because she was promoting right wing politics, but because she wanted to stay neutral, and would not indoctrinate the kids with the vile leftism they wanted her to.
    Neutrality even with female staff is not tolerated.
    You could obviously tell that teaching had been her life and that she loved kids and teaching, and was quite angry, ready to fight back with whoever would fight with her (I can’t find the right words), determined, principled, and decent, maybe.
    She spoke to me at nights when we camped, (at hastily made changes to camping arrangements as councils found out we were right wingers and banned us from bookings I had made in showgrounds at the last minute, to stuff us around) and she was right there at the end, and I saw her in the crowd from the stage.
    There are very decent people out there we should be fighting for.
    Our schools are banning anything and anyone that may be the slightest threat to their Marxist indoctrination, male or female, and it is working.

  90. Boambee John

    The research found that ­“almost half of the reduction in global emissions comes from China’s participation”.

    An interesting finding, given that China’s “commitment” is to keep increasing emissions until 2030.

    It seems that Turdbull did indeed manage to repeal the laws of mathematics in Australia, and also in the US, given the involvement of the Brookings Institution in the “study”.

  91. CL, a while ago, I was lecturing at J-school

    “J-school”

  92. stackja

    Old School Conservative
    #2902205, posted on January 9, 2019 at 10:15 am

    Dr Kevin Donnelly: Cultural left has targeted education for decades


    Dr Kevin Donnelly, The Daily Telegraph
    April 6, 2018 12:00am
    As reported by Bruce McDougal in the Daily Telegraph this week, parents have been angered that Leumeah High School students are being indoctrinated by being made to write an essay based on the assumption that Muslims are excluded and not welcome in Australia.

  93. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    MSM no show?

    Too busy arguing over how many NeoNazi’s can dance on the head of a pin.

  94. Old School Conservative

    The home schooling trend would get a great kick along if all the administrative hurdles were removed – but then the Marxist ideology would wither.
    Jordan Peterson’s proposed university of the air (OK – internet based) is another way of breaking the leftist march through educational institutions.

    There may be some glimmers of hope for the overthrow of the anti Western Civilisation demagogues in Australian education.

  95. OldOzzie

    University of Sydney pulls support for GetUp campaign

    The University of Sydney was last night forced to delete a Facebook post in which it pledged support for left-wing activist group GetUp’s new campaign to target 18 conservative MPs in the lead-up to the federal election.

    In a post yesterday that drew angry responses before it was ­removed, the university’s law school publicised an article by The Guardian about GetUp’s push for the public to name the “worst” Coalition MPs so the group could finalise its targets for the election.

    “New Year fun: GetUp asking you to nominate which conservative Coalition MP you would most like to see out of Parliament,” the University of Sydney Law School said on its Facebook page.

    The article provided a link to GetUp’s website in which it asks supporters to each choose three MPs they believe should lose their seats based on their “hard-right” views on climate change, immigration policy and social ­justice issues.

    Among the Coalition MPs that can be nominated are Scott Morrison, Peter Dutton, Tony Abbott, Josh Frydenberg, Christian Porter, Greg Hunt, Barnaby Joyce, Alan Tudge, George Christensen and Michael Sukkar.

    Facebook users, some of them former University of Sydney law students, were highly critical of the post.

    “I wouldn’t call myself a ­defender of the far Right, but it’s completely inappropriate for the law school, as a body, to engage in such flagrantly biased political advocacy,” one wrote.

    Another responded: “At least the law school is open about its bias now.”

    After being alerted by The Australian, the University of ­Sydney last night investigated how the post was published.

    A spokeswoman said the university did not support GetUp’s campaign to remove some ­Coalition MPs from parliament.

    “A junior staff member posted this in error and the post has been removed,” she said.

    On its website, the union-backed GetUp said Mr Dutton, who holds his Queensland seat of Dickson on a margin of 1.7 per cent, would be targeted for leading last year’s leadership coup against Malcolm Turnbull, as well as overseeing immigration detention centres on Manus Island and Nauru.

    Federal Attorney-General Mr Porter is blamed for the robo-debt scandal, authorising the prosecution of an ex-spy known as Witness K and for instructing Liberal MPs to vote for Pauline Hanson’s “OK to be white” ­motion in the Senate. Mr Porter is already under severe pressure to retain his West Australian seat of Pearce, which he holds on a margin of 3.6 per cent.

    GetUp blamed Mr Abbott for his “destructive” campaign to reinstall himself as prime minister, along with his comments questioning climate change.

    Mr Abbott, who holds the NSW seat of Warringah with a margin of 11.6 per cent, is under attack from some within the Liberal Party who want him replaced. He is also facing a challenge in the seat from ­independent candidate Susan ­Moylan-Coombs, an indigenous broadcaster.

    A spokesman for Mr Abbott, who earned degrees in law and economics from the University of Sydney, said last night the former prime minister was unavailable to comment on his alma mater’s Facebook post.

    The influential GetUp is fighting attempts to have its independent status revoked and to force its registration as an affiliated ­entity of Labor.

    Comment of the Day on the above

    Ever since the voting age was dropped to 18 from 21 we have seen a long slide in logic and wisdom. To quote Barrie “I am not young enough to know everything”.

  96. struth

    Oh, and thanks Mater, I did appreciate that post.

    The left don’t have one argument that stands up.
    The Nazis and their Fascist allies were left wing, socialists.
    They called themselves socialist.
    They acted, just like socialists.
    They smelled like socialists.
    They looked like socialists.
    When is a socialist not a socialist? When he fails (runs out of other people’s money and starts killing people)
    When is a socialist right wing?
    When he kills people other than his own , in a war, where his antics can’t be hidden behind an iron curtain and the media can’t black the story out.

  97. struth

    I also voted on that nine poll Bruce,

    That’s good stuff to bring here, as I was alluding to yesterday.

  98. OldOzzie

    For Cat Petrol Heads

    Asterix at the Olympic Games (2008) Michael Schumacher – Chariot Racing Full Scene

    Includes Jean Todt as Pit Manage (was Ferrari Team Manager with Michael Schumacher – now President FIA)

    A Right Hoot – F1 Fans will appreciate the 14 Mins 59Secs

  99. C.L.

    Better, Monty?
    What’s happening?

  100. struth

    Monty, it’s about time sunshine.
    Explain why a national Socialist is a right winger?

    If you want to punch a Nazi, there’s a target right above your shoulders you absolute brain dead fuckwit.

    You keep coming here side stepping issues you can’t argue, with TDS (any day now, any day) can’t argue about anything, ……………………………can you smell the stench of ignorant failure following you about?
    Isn’t it about time you changed your dax and rid yourself of that stinking socialist turd bouncing around and stinking up your life?
    And of course you can’t, and the reason is, hatred.
    You hate.
    You hate because you are envious and lazy.
    You need to lash out at others instead of growing up.

    Every now and then when you get pissed, all the vileness comes out.
    All the petty envious lines “the one percenters” the wishing of people to die, the wishing to punch “nazis’
    You are a failure Monty.
    And it isn’t our fault.
    It’s yours.

  101. stackja

    Tony Thomas wrote that Jim Cairns said “…it would be a better world if money were abolished.”

  102. dover_beach

    Dr Kevin Donnelly: Cultural left has targeted education for decades

    This is a major problem. Teacher education is full of feminists, LGBT, ethnic, and other like activists. I would recommend scrapping BEd degrees and simply allowing BA or whatever relevant degree move straight into teaching where they can receive a certificate after the first or second year on the job, but we simply have kicked the can down the road, given the parlous state of some disciplines. However, they are probably not as bad yet as teacher education.

  103. Snoopy

    “A junior staff member posted this in error and the post has been removed,” she said.

    In error? Possibly. On the other hand, the ‘junior staff member’ perfectly understands the political ideology of the USyd law school.

  104. C.L.

    Gutless Morrison government says it will give “seriously consider” giving asylum to that apostate Muslim woman detailed in Thailand if the UN agrees she deserves it.

  105. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Every now and then when you get pissed, all the vileness comes out.
    All the petty envious lines “the one percenters” the wishing of people to die, the wishing to punch “nazis’
    You are a failure Monty.
    And it isn’t our fault.
    It’s yours

    I thought I despised all Lefties with a passion, Struth, but you do take it to new heights.

  106. Snoopy

    Gutless Morrison government says it will give “seriously consider” giving asylum to that apostate Muslim woman detailed in Thailand if the UN agrees she deserves it.

    Disgraceful. There’s no sadder cuck than a UN’s cuck.

  107. stackja

    Sears workers campaign for severance fund
    Nandita Bose and Aishwarya Venugopal, Reuters
    33 minutes ago

    As US retail giant Sears Holdings Corp teeters on the brink of liquidation, its employees are pushing for a hardship fund they hope can replicate the success of bankrupt retailer Toys ‘R’ Us, whose workers collected $US20 million in severance pay from its former owners.

    Sears on Tuesday agreed to consider a revised takeover bid from Chairman Edward Lampert, temporarily staving off a liquidation that would have spelled the end of the company.

    The latest attempt by Lampert follows a decade of revenue declines, hundreds of store closures, and years of deals in an attempt to turn around the company he put together in 2005 in an $US11 billion deal.

    Now, the retailer’s approximately 68,000 workers are pushing Lampert to set up a financial fund giving laid-off workers a week of pay for every year of service.

  108. Helen

    Excel champs, I have a problem. I am trying to put a value on a summary sheet from anther sheet. Normally I do this by using selecting the cell on the summary sheet, clicking = then selecting the donar cell from the other sheet and hit enter.

    Just comes back with 0 zero. I have looked at the cell formatting on both sheets, it is general, spent an hour on the internet trying to find an answer, shut it all down and started it up again, an hour later and still the same. I am buggered if I know whyt it might be. Can anyone help? Thanks

  109. struth

    Please tell me none of you people here have helmets with anti magpie spikes sticking up.
    Only in Australia ……..

  110. stackja

    dover_beach
    #2902229, posted on January 9, 2019 at 11:01 am

    A relative was a teacher, I assume went to what was probably called teachers college then sent to Broken Hill. Why do teachers need university degree?

  111. John Constantine

    NGI navigator, the fund manager, has another sharp sell down on the asx today.

    Financial stocks that outperform in good times get bombed out at the slightest hint of uncertainty.

  112. Bruce of Newcastle

    Morrison government says it will give “seriously consider” giving asylum to that apostate Muslim woman detailed in Thailand if the UN agrees she deserves it.

    That is the most cojoneless thing coming out of ScoMo I’ve seen so far.
    His bum must hurt from the fence he’s sitting on.

    Australia will offer Saudi teen asylum if she’s found to be a genuine refugee (Gnu Daily)

    Australia confirmed on Tuesday night that it was deeply concerned about the plight of Rahaf Mohammed Alqunun, 18, and confirmed it would likely grant her a humanitarian visa – if the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees (UNHCR) determined her claims are genuine.

    However, her case has also raised questions over why Australia has moved so swiftly to open the door for refugee protection for the social media-savvy teenager as thousands of other asylum seekers languish without resettlement.

    Because she has apostatised and they haven’t, you silly, silly lefties.

  113. stackja

    US carbon emissions spike in 2018
    Timothy Gardner, Reuters
    41 minutes ago

    US emissions of carbon dioxide, the main greenhouse gas, spiked last year after falling for the previous three, as cold weather spurred natural gas demand for heating and as the economy pushed planes and trucks to guzzle fuel.

    Independent research group The Rhodium Group has estimated US emissions rose 3.4 per cent in 2018, the biggest jump since 2010.

    Rhodium said the boost from the world’s second-biggest carbon emitter after China could make it harder for the United States to meet reductions targets it set under the Paris Agreement in 2015.

    Independent research group The Rhodium Group?

    Daniel H. Rosen is a founding partner of Rhodium Group and leads the firm’s work on China, India and Asia.
    Dan has twenty-six years of professional experience analyzing China’s economy, commercial sector and external interactions. He is widely recognized for his contributions on the US-China economic relationship. He is affiliated with a number of American thinktanks focused on international economics, and is an Adjunct Associate Professor at Columbia University. From 2000-2001, Dan was Senior Adviser for International Economic Policy at the White House National Economic Council and National Security Council. He is a member of the Council on Foreign Relations, and board member of the National Committee on US-China Relations. A native of New York City, Dan graduated with distinction from the graduate School of Foreign Service of Georgetown University (MSFS) and with honors in Asian Studies and Economics from the University of Texas, Austin (BA).

  114. vr

    Helen.

    Never have encountered this problem. Is it a formula that you are copying across? If you want just the output, perhaps just copying the value across might work.

  115. Bruce of Newcastle

    Just comes back with 0 zero

    Helen – That sounds like the new spreadsheet is set to not automatically calculate.

    Try hitting F9 which if I recall is the recalculate shortcut. If the cell updates correctly you just have to set the sheet to autocalculate. Help should tell you how.

  116. stackja

    Bruce of Newcastle
    #2902246, posted on January 9, 2019 at 11:23 am

    Formula not pasting correctly?

  117. ian3029

    “helmets with anti magpie spikes sticking up”

    Have never had and still do not have one. All the magpies in my area are friendly if you treat them the same.

  118. Woolfe

    Helen, what Bruce said and check the format is numbers.

  119. Rae;

    Just one CoPlavix (clopidogrel) a day for 6 to 12 months is all that is needed to keep a stent clean and clot free.

    Stop giving advice that you pick up on Facebook, you bloody fool.

  120. stackja

    Police arrest man in Glebe after crime spree siege
    Derrick Krusche, The Daily Telegraph
    an hour ago
    Subscriber only

    An “armed and dangerous” man wanted over a series of armed robberies and a carjacking has been arrested after a siege in Glebe this morning.

    Heavily armed police surrounded a high rise apartment block in Elger Street about 3.30am after receiving information about the man who was on the run following the crime spree across Sydney’s CBD and inner west.

    Police said the man barricaded himself inside a unit and refused to come out during the tense stand-off.

    Google shows Elger Street is housing units, probably government.

  121. gingerbeer

    Helen,

    Try entering the donor cell address directly –

    =”sheet_name”!”cell”

  122. struth

    Have never had and still do not have one. All the magpies in my area are friendly if you treat them the same.

    Not only that, but you’ve already got a helmet on!!!
    Yet these doodle heads wear them everywhere.
    I suppose I shouldn’t be surprised.
    I’m in the land where people ENJOY and see no problem in all putting on the same government decreed Hi Viz shirt.
    I mean, there’s Italy going too far one way, but fair suck of the source bottle, Aussies, well, what can you say……………………………

    I thought I despised all Lefties with a passion, Struth, but you do take it to new heights.

    What’s to like?

    As they continue their attack, you’ll all get there.

  123. Helen
    #2902237, posted on January 9, 2019 at 11:11 am

    Let me pretend to be Microsoft support?

    Have you rebooted the PC and restarted Excel?
    Have you re-installed the operating system?
    Have you re-installed Excel?
    Where did purchase the PC?
    Do you have a receipt?

    If you give me complete control of your PC I may be able fix it (at $400 per hour).

  124. I have an anti-magpie device.

    It is called a shotgun.

  125. Helen

    Thanks Bruce and Woolfe, no luck, format was general, changed to numbers, did the F9 thing checked and it is set to autocalculate.

    I will just write it in. It is only for the bank. 🙂

  126. gingerbeer

    Helen,

    Also, the cell in the spreadsheet may show 0, but what is shown in the bar at the top of the page ?

  127. stackja

    Man charged with 30 offences following pursuit
    Heath Parkes-Hupton, Blacktown Advocate
    January 9, 2019 9:24am
    Subscriber only

    Kyle Prendergast, 28, has been charged with 30 offences following the pursuit through Hebersham, which ended when the allegedly stolen Mazda CX-7 he was driving mounted the footpath and smashed into a telegraph pole.

    Police will allege in Mt Druitt Local Court today officers went to a unit on Vallingby Ave, Hebersham about 10.30am to speak with Prendergast about an outstanding domestic violence matter.

    Charges included aggravated break-and-enter and commit serious indictable offence; assault occasioning actual bodily harm; destroy or damage property; use offensive weapon with intent to commit indictable offence (x3); contravene prohibition/restriction in apprehended violence order (x5); assault occasioning actual bodily harm (DV) (x2); drive motor vehicle during disqualification period (x2); police pursuit — not stop — drive recklessly (x2); use offensive weapon to prevent lawful detention (x2); enter vehicle without consent of owner; take and drive conveyance without consent; drive recklessly/furiously or speed/manner dangerous; resist officer in execution of duty; assault police officer in execution of duty cause actual bodily harm; possess housebreaking implements’ and having outstanding warrants.

    It was further alleged Prendergast led police on a pursuit in the Taree area on Saturday, January 5.

    He was refused bail to face court today.

    From Purfleet near Taree?

  128. Roger

    Morrison government says it will give “seriously consider” giving asylum to that apostate Muslim woman detailed in Thailand if the UN agrees she deserves it.

    So much for “we will decide who comes to this country and the circumstances under which they come.”

  129. Helen

    incoherent rambler
    #2902256, posted on January 9, 2019 at 11:45 am

    LOLs

    yes shut down and restarted, shut down laptop and restarted. Enough time wasted, on to other thingys.

  130. stackja

    Australia v Sri Lanka Test series: Aussies turn to young gun Will Pucovski in bid to bolster batting
    Ben Horne, The Daily Telegraph
    10 minutes ago
    Subscriber only

    Will Pucovski is set to be picked to make his Test debut against Sri Lanka as selectors look to shake-up a misfiring Australian outfit.

    The Marsh brothers Shaun and Mitchell are expected to be squeezed out, with Pucovski poised for a shock elevation.

    West Australian all-rounder Marcus Stoinis could be in contention to come into the side at the expense of Mitchell Marsh.

    Pucovski made a huge statement at the start of the Sheffield Shield season when he smashed a record-breaking 243 for Victoria against WA to become the youngest State batsman since Ricky Ponting to score double ton.

    He averages 49 from eight first-class matches and is regarded as one of the brightest up-and-coming talents in Australian cricket.

    However, Pucovski took a break from cricket after the double century as he battled mental health issues.

  131. Twostix

    Morrison is funny and indicative. During the 90’s – early 2000’s happy clappers were absolutley certain that the End Times(TM) were upon us.

    We are literally living one minute from armageddon, the return, etc and they must prepare for mass persecution and terror. This stuff was everywhere and completely mainstream.

    Fast forward twenty years and a happy clapper accidentally gets the pmship of an entire nation and…what a cuck!

    So we learn that pentecostals arw largely the christian equivalent of climate change frightbats. Soypoisoned mental urban middle class weaklings, they love the idea of Any Time Now! armageddon porn because it releases them from their duty of creating anything meaningful for their people that will last for centuries.

  132. Helen

    gingerbeer
    #2902259, posted on January 9, 2019 at 11:48 am

    Helen,

    Also, the cell in the spreadsheet may show 0, but what is shown in the bar at the top of the page ?

    the instruction =’South Banjo’!E39

  133. EvilElvis

    “A junior staff member posted this in error and the post has been removed,” she said.

    Error my arse. Education Ministers response? Anyone, anyone? Bueller? Piss weak as usual. Anyone with a sack would be on the blower letting the Chancellor know that their taxpayer funding has been slashed!

  134. Stimpson J. Cat

    The Intercept
    @theintercept
    U.S. Senate’s first bill, in midst of shutdown, is a bipartisan defense of the Israeli government from boycotts (link: https://interc.pt/2FfwH97) interc.pt/2FfwH97 by
    @ryangrim

    Bernie Sanders
    @SenSanders
    It’s absurd that the first bill during the shutdown is legislation which punishes Americans who exercise their constitutional right to engage in political activity. Democrats must block consideration of any bills that don’t reopen the government. Let’s get our priorities right.

    Rashida Tlaib
    @RashidaTlaib
    They forgot what country they represent. This is the U.S. where boycotting is a right & part of our historical fight for freedom & equality. Maybe a refresher on our U.S. Constitution is in order, then get back to opening up our government instead of taking our rights away.

    Marco Rubio
    @marcorubio
    This “dual loyalty” canard is a typical anti-Semitic line
    #BDS isn’t about freedom & equality, it’s about destroying #Israel
    And if boycotting #Israel is constitutionally protected, then boycotting companies that boycott #Israel is also constitutionally protected

    Glenn Greenwald
    Glenn Greenwald
    @ggreenwald
    Replying to
    @ggreenwald
    Also:
    @marcorubio
    ‘s tweet is stunningly ignorant. He thinks the 1st Amendment protects the right of *the Government* to punish private citizens for their speech. It does the opposite: it protects the rights of private citizens not to be punished for their views by
    @MarcoRubio

    Glenn Greenwald
    @ggreenwald
    I know
    @MarcoRubio
    – who just proved he has no understanding of the 1st Amendment’s free speech rights – has no idea that 2 federal courts have already ruled that the censorship laws he favors against Americans – to protect Israel – are unconstitutional

    Glenn Greenwald
    @ggreenwald
    Under @MarcoRubio
    ‘s oppressive bill (which, like most AIPAC bills, has broad bipartisan support): you’re allowed to boycott a US state. You’re can boycott US companies. You can boycott UK, Russia, Hungary, or China. You’re just not allowed to boycott Israel. That’s censorship.

    Glenn Greenwald
    @ggreenwald
    Remember that Andrew Cuomo supports the same bill that Marco Rubio supports: punishment for those who boycott Israel. But the same Andrew Cuomo ordered a boycott of 2 American states: North Carolina & Indiana. That’s how warped this censorship scheme is by *U.S.* politicians:

    metamitya[notribe]
    @metamitya
    Replying to
    @ggreenwald
    @RashidaTlaib
    and
    @marcorubio
    Hi
    @ggreenwald
    , does the anti-bds bill prevent private citizens from boycotting? or certain types of organizations?

    Glenn Greenwald
    @ggreenwald
    It does both. 26 states have different versions. It doesn’t matter since the 1st Am also protects companies’ free speech rights. But individual contractors often work as sole proprietorships so it censors them, too:

    Discuss, Libertarians.

  135. struth

    Sco Mo is a UN guy.
    That’s the only person Turncoat would hand over to.
    That’s all that mattered.
    He is as full of shit as Malcom, as pro UN as Malcom and as left wing as Malcom.
    Anyone thinking any different needs to tell me right now why he’s any different at all.
    Not signing the migration pact that so many communist Aussies in the bureaucracy worked on, only occurred because people found out about it.
    You don’t need to sign anything to take orders from Gutterres.
    A minor blimp in UN agenda 30 proceedings.

    And yet the stick insect promoting her show as if she was the most switched on person in the country, promotes this gob smacking piece of shit PM as if he’s the saviour from Turnbull.
    She is no more than a political hack, who hated Turnbull for all the wrong reasons.
    She’s factional, tribal hack.

  136. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Baldrick and Old Ozzie: in the fullness of time, (maybe tomorrow 🙂 ), I will draw Hairy’s attention to your useful pieces of information, for which I thank you. His cardiologist and the stent man have him under control right now with various medications, but the self-monitoring measures and awareness in both of your comments seem to me to be useful. He is presently sleeping the sleep of the just-released hospitalized. You can’t sleep properly in hospitals, especially with wires and cannulas all over you.

    He was very cranky on the drive home. Critiquing my driving constantly. Yes, I was slightly over my lane for one moment, and I did knock the mid-road thingo at the lights on the Rose Bay turn, but really!!?

    That’s all easily done. He says I shouldn’t talk and drive, because I don’t pay attention to da road when I’m yakking. If I don’t talk, I think, I reply, which is worse. A rock and a hard place, sweetie, I comfort him. Anyway, you’re just putting me off, I add, reminding him of how his friends said he tended to
    ‘over coach’ me when it came to games like tennis (never again with him!), and even his brutal Cambridge-learned version of croquet. So drivin’ is now a competitive sport? he asks.

    It is for you, I reply. Point to me, I think. 🙂

  137. Twostix

    The worst kind of Inevitable Armageddon(tm) porn cultist is the type who declares that during the second coming / great climate argmageddon / whatever, that “it is not us but our children who will suffer most”.

    Then goes back to his useless bugman desk job on Monday.

    The believed future mass terror and death of his children isn’t enough to make him give up the 2016 model Mazda 6, gayfl and meat pies.

  138. Bruce of Newcastle

    Seven late morning news US correspondent person (who appeared female, but might identify otherwise pls don’t hurt me I’m only a blog commenter) covers the Trump address to the nation.

    Picks up on the “just six” people on the terrorist watch list caught at the border “last year”.
    Which is fake since it was in six months, failed to mention all the others that weren’t picked up (seeing they have an unusually urgent incentive not to be), and downplayed the ‘terrorist’ aspect of the watchlist.

    She should be sent on a fact finding tour of Yemen, so she gets a proper perspective.

  139. stackja

    Eastwood rode to fame on six-year cattle drive
    Troy Lennon, History Editor, The Daily Telegraph
    January 9, 2019 12:00am

  140. Macbeth

    Lizzie – best wishes to Hairy for a full recovery. I’m sure he is in the best of hands.

  141. Twostix

    Picks up on the “just six” people on the terrorist watch list caught at the border “last year”.

    Isn’t that the whole point? That you just walk througj Mexico?

  142. cohenite

    Fraser Anning gets interviewed by a weally, weally angry blonde bint (sorry if it’s been posted before):

    https://www.facebook.com/iwakeupwithtoday/videos/744280492623224/UzpfSTQxNTYwOTQ4MjE4ODA4NTo2MzQxNzczNjAzMzEyOTU/?epa=SEARCH_BOX

  143. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Police will allege in Mt Druitt Local Court today

    Yep. Won’t say a word about my nephew, ‘cos he’s dead now, but it’s cultural.
    Surprises no one local.

  144. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Macbeth, how nice of you to spare some time and thoughts for Hairy. We all hope you are well too.

  145. DrBeauGan

    I enjoyed the excerpt from the Asterix movie, but why were they all talking in frogwog? Shouldn’t they be speaking Latin?

  146. thefrolickingmole

    “A junior staff member posted this in error and the post has been removed,” she said.

    Im sure it was just as likely a “junior staff member” would have accidentally posted support for the Frazer Anning rally last weekend then?

  147. Boambee John

    Winston Smith
    #2902251, posted on January 9, 2019 at 11:42 am
    Rae;

    Just one CoPlavix (clopidogrel) a day for 6 to 12 months is all that is needed to keep a stent clean and clot free.

    Stop giving advice that you pick up on Facebook, you bloody fool.

    Indeed, I think I was taking six different pills for the first year.

  148. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    “A junior staff member posted this in error and the post has been removed,” she said.
    Error my arse.

    Agreed. It’s just that they were sprung. Always blame an unspecified junior.

  149. Roger

    Tim-Tams condemned!

    Read the article for an insight into the conspiracy laden mind of the devout Muslim.

    E.g. Arnotts put small amount of alcohol in Shapes so Muslims can’t eat them (!).

    The author is a university professor in Australia, btw.

  150. Morrison is funny and indicative. During the 90’s – early 2000’s happy clappers were absolutley certain that the End Times(TM) were upon us.

    We are literally living one minute from armageddon, the return, etc and they must prepare for mass persecution and terror. This stuff was everywhere and completely mainstream.

    Fast forward twenty years and a happy clapper accidentally gets the pmship of an entire nation and…what a cuck!

    So we learn that pentecostals arw largely the christian equivalent of climate change frightbats. Soypoisoned mental urban middle class weaklings, they love the idea of Any Time Now! armageddon porn because it releases them from their duty of creating anything meaningful for their people that will last for centuries.

    This is the most insightful thing I’ve ever seen you post 26, good man.

  151. EvilElvis

    Fraser Anning gets interviewed by a weally, weally angry blonde bint

    Pathetic. He did well, really needed to drop a line in regarding bint supporting convicted murderers at the counter rally. Today is doing it’s darnedest to disappear up its own doongchoong lately.

  152. struth

    He was very cranky on the drive home. Critiquing my driving constantly. Yes, I was slightly over my lane for one moment, and I did knock the mid-road thingo at the lights on the Rose Bay turn, but really!!?

    After my fathers first triple heart bypass I forgot to mention that as he was healing, mum was driving , dad a passenger, and had a car accident, which smacked the seat belt into the still repairing chest.
    Be careful driving Lizzie…………………………………………….
    I know all he has had is a stent, but the stress of being a passenger to a woman is bad enough.

    Typical women’s driving faults.
    ( I am a qualified driving instructor)

    Not thinking about anything but what is to be done at the destination.
    The drive there is to be done and is a mere chore, like washing clothes.
    No love of the vehicle or appreciation for the mechanical side of things.
    Mind therefore, not on the job.
    And symptoms include braking far too late.
    Cornering and accelerating as if it’s a video game, without the slightest thought of tyres, fuel consumption etc.
    The destination is in front of them, and all that is on their minds, so the rear view mirror is only there for make up application.
    The drive is taking them away from social media too long so either speed is increased of social media is looked at while driving.

    You’re probably an excellent driver Lizzie (although not by the sounds of it) but keep in mind your natural tendancies and try to curtail them.

    Men’s problems (to be fair) is an inherent belief they are the best drivers the world has ever seen, and all skilled beyond belief.

  153. Bummer stent story from friend: They issued a recall for the one he had. (After it had fused with tissue)

  154. thefrolickingmole

    m0nty appears, manages to miss anything about his fellow travelers nearly beating a politician to death in Germany.

    Why do you support the ambushing and beating of politicians monty?

  155. Bruce of Newcastle

    Coverage would be wall to wall if this was a Republican.

    The Dems and the MSM seem to’ve gone to ground for some reason, despite the guy’s quite um, eccentric habits.

    PHOTOS: Top Democrat Donor Ed Buck With His Democrat Pals and His Black Male Prostitutes — 2 Dead Now (Gateway Pundit, 7 Jan)

  156. gingerbeer

    Helen,

    Is the sheet called ‘South Banjo’ or South Banjo ?

  157. JC

    When you think about it, Accosta cops a lot of beatings.

    CNN’s Jim Acosta: “Kellyanne, can you promise the president will tell the truth tonight?”

    Conway: “Yes, Jim. Do you promise that you will? … this is why I am one of the only people around here who even gives you the time of day…because you’re such a smartass most of the time”

  158. Boambee John

    Lizzie, if you haven’t already seen it, read my post at 0842. Dr Walker has good advice on diet.

  159. JC

    Stephen Miller
    ‏Verified account @redsteeze

    Trump just tacked on 9th minute to announce he’s deporting Acosta.

  160. Roger

    Pentecostalism is the freakish half child of liberal theology. The mainstreaming of Pentecostalism – re-branded as the Charismatic movement – began as a reaction against the dry, lifeless liberal preaching and teaching that dominated late mid-20th C. mainstream Protestantism – although it also gained a foothold in Roman Catholicism in the 1960s/70s. In that it was a cry for spiritual experience to mask the cognitive dissonance that being a Christian in modernity created. Unhappily its anti-intellectual bent meant it had an enfeebled theology that offered no curb to popular credulity. It is a symptom of the decline of the West, an example of how we have been unloosed from our cultural moorings and set adrift on the dark sea of post-modernity.

  161. struth

    m0nty appears, manages to miss anything about his fellow travelers nearly beating a politician to death in Germany.

    Why do you support the ambushing and beating of politicians monty?

    Nazi socialist behaviour.
    Monty is a Socialist.
    Pure scum.

  162. Alice Weidel, the party’s leader in the German parliament, blamed the media and politicians from the traditional parties for stoking hatred towards the AfD “on a daily basis”.

    Oh, so NOW you subscribe to the theory that politicians can stoke hatred with their words? But of course Trump is blameless for crimes committed by people shouting his name.

    I also hope they catch the perpetrators. That is a cowardly act that does no good.

  163. TFM:

    “A junior staff member posted this in error and the post has been removed,” she said.

    Yeah.
    It’s called a “Testing of the Waters.”
    Lying bastards who lie.

  164. Bruce of Newcastle

    M0nty – Which far-left politicians have been beaten nearly to death by Trump supporters?
    I’m eager to know.

  165. Helen

    I found the answer. The enable iterative calculations in formulas was turned off for some reason, when I switched it on, and re @SUM one column, bingo!

  166. Lizzie;
    Sounds like everything is going well with the Hairy Buggers bits. Stents are great things. Every cardiac muscle cell is sacred.
    Listen to the Cardiologists – having a good one who you trust is a very important aspect of care.

  167. OldOzzie

    Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
    #2902272, posted on January 9, 2019 at 11:58 am

    Baldrick and Old Ozzie: in the fullness of time, (maybe tomorrow 🙂 ), I will draw Hairy’s attention to your useful pieces of information, for which I thank you. His cardiologist and the stent man have him under control right now with various medications, but the self-monitoring measures and awareness in both of your comments seem to me to be useful. He is presently sleeping the sleep of the just-released hospitalized. You can’t sleep properly in hospitals, especially with wires and cannulas all over you.

    Lizzie,

    a little bit more on one of the devices from Gizmodo

    Withings Takes A Page From Apple And Adds ECG To Its New Smartwatch

    and see Gizmodo

    Apple Watch Series 4 Review: A Giant Leap

    As Gizmodo says

    But the biggest difference with the Apple Watch actually comes down to battery life. As an analogue hybrid, the Move ECG is powered by a replaceable coin-cell battery with an estimated battery life of 12 months. Granted, Withings told me that’s if you only take up to two, 20-second ECG readings per day.

    There’s a bit of a trade-off when you compare it to the Apple Watch, however. While the Move ECG definitely wins out in battery life, it doesn’t actually come with an optical heart rate monitor. The Series 4 tracks your heart rate throughout the day to get the most accurate results, but the Move ECG would be more of a spot-check mechanism without greater heart-rate context. Still, at $US130 ($182), it’s a much more affordable alternative to the $US400 ($561) GPS-only Series 4.

    Withings has also added ECG capabilities to its newest connected blood pressure cuff, the BPM Core. It looks like your average cuff, but adds two electrodes inside the cuff as well as a digital stethoscope. The device itself is easy to use—you basically push a button and in about 90 seconds you get your blood pressure, an ECG reading, and a valvular health reading via the stethoscope. For blood pressure, the LED display will either light up green, orange, or red to indicate normal, moderate, or high blood pressure.

    But the really nifty bit is that you can consolidate such a wide variety of heart-related data to a singular app. In particular, the digital stethoscope feature was impressive during a demo. Once the data syncs to the Health Mate app, you can actually listen to a 20-second clip of your heartbeat. Like the Move ECG, the BPM Core is still in the process of FDA clearance and is expected to retail for $US250 ($351).

    Both devices, along with a more basic activity tracker, the Withings Move, will be available sometime in the second quarter of 2019.

  168. DrBeauGan

    I enjoyed the excerpt from the Asterix movie, but why were they all talking in frogw0g? Even Julius Caesar. Shouldn’t they be speaking Latin?

  169. Helen

    bespoke
    #2902301, posted on January 9, 2019 at 12:23 pm

    LOLs I laste 90 secs – watching, not smashing!

  170. struth, the Nazis purged the Communists and unionists first, funded by millions of marks donated by German captains of industry. Strasserism was beaten out of the Nazi Party well before the war, and the anti-capitalist parts of their platform were deleted.

    Here, educate yourself. Or stay ignorant, if you like.

  171. Bruce of Newcastle

    How odd that almost all the stories about nasty political beatings are due to lefties. Like this one.

    Greek Priest Beaten by Syrian Migrants in Front of His Own Church(8 Jan)

    Why is that M0nty? But maybe the “Syrian” “asylum seekers” weren’t actually lefties. I’ll grant that.

  172. struth

    Oh, so NOW you subscribe to the theory that politicians can stoke hatred with their words? But of course Trump is blameless for crimes committed by people shouting his name.

    Examples?!!

    When terrorists shout Allah ackbar that’s not “Donald Trump” you cretin.

    What hatreds have left the mouth of Trump?
    A hatred for Islamic terror?
    A hatred for communism, and the totalitarian state.
    A hatred for not securing your borders against invaders?

    It’s not good enough to just say it to make it so, anymore Monty.
    It’s so 2015.
    Proof, of STFU.

  173. Bruce of Newcastle

    the Nazis purged the Communists and unionists first

    Of course they did M0nty.
    Remember what happened to Trotsky?
    There can be only one!

  174. struth

    struth, the Nazis purged the Communists and unionists first, funded by millions of marks donated by German captains of industry. Strasserism was beaten out of the Nazi Party well before the war, and the anti-capitalist parts of their platform were deleted.

    This has been answered here many times already, fuck head.

    You haven’t read the posting here and keep dribbling the same old shit.
    Clasping at straws that once disproven, you still clasp at.

  175. Helen

    Why would you want to be reminded 60/60/24/7 of your ecg via a smart watch? Meh! I’d rather enjoy life. You’d just spend the whole time ruled by it.

    Lizzie – Darling Hairy What are you doing – for the 25th time that night – I’m just checking my heart is still dere, Lizzie. O FFS, Hairy, if it wasn’t you’d be dead. Just go to sleep.

    One of my neighbours has a hybrid solar system and it is hooked up to a lap top on their main eating/working table. Their life is ruled by it. One flicker and steps are taken! Crazy.

  176. M0nty – Which far-left politicians have been beaten nearly to death by Trump supporters?
    I’m eager to know.

    None, but there are hundreds of incidents following the election like this one.

  177. Roger

    Remember what happened to Trotsky?

    As The Stranglers memorably put it, “He got an ice pick that made his ears burn.”

    There can be only one!

    Meanwhile, South African Communists ordering hits on party rivals.

  178. John Constantine

    The national socialists purged the transnational socialists first.

    https://www.rferl.org/a/prisoners-gulag-stalin-soviet/24903236.html

    The true enemies of the left are those of the left.

    If you are of the left and do not have a list of leftist enemies to purge at first opportunity, you are weak and you are doomed.

    Comrades.

  179. OldOzzie

    DrBeauGan
    #2902316, posted on January 9, 2019 at 12:33 pm

    I enjoyed the excerpt from the Asterix movie, but why were they all talking in frogw0g? Even Julius Caesar. Shouldn’t they be speaking Latin?

    Nope Gaelic, but when watching

    “Asterix & Obelix: Mission Cleopatra” not to be missed on SBS Viceland

    Tuesday 22 January at midday on SBS Viceland, Asterix And Obelix: Mission Cleopatra.

    Monica Bellucci joins Gérard Depardieu in the second madcap, live-action movie based on the much-loved French comic strip. A French blockbuster with lush visuals and impressive special effects. Riotous, silly fun.

    I was more interested in Monica Bellucci as Cleoptra rather than her and Caesar speaking French rather than Greek

    PS – Can see Asterix And Obelix: Mission Cleopatra on SBS On Demand

    Gauls

  180. This has been answered here many times already, fuck head.

    Oh really, so I guess you can repeat those arguments yourself then? Or do you have pavlova for brains.

  181. struth

    Who’s a Mussie, Monty, a Shi-ite or a Sunni?
    Totalitarians fight each other.

    Winston fought Hitler.
    He was a conservative, western man, as was his country and it’s empire, as was the United States.

    The Italian FASCISTS were allied to the socialist Hitler, with few differences between their state before the individual collectivist leftism.

    Hitler and his socialists controlled the means of production, and like all socialist powers saw no need for unions as they, in their own eyes were the extreme union, no others required.

    Letting ownership of companies remain in the hands of those that agreed to do exactly as they were told and to produce exactly what they are told, is not capitalism Monster.
    Supplying slaves to those businesses so the few can prosper from it, is exactly what Soros is trying to achieve now.
    The left in all it’s corruption is an old worn out story, Monty.
    You are so absolutely chicken shit that you will not dare your mind to open up to what you know is true.

    You’re a socialist through fear of lack of acceptance amongst your shitfabrain mates.
    At all costs.
    Against all truths.

    The Russians were on Hitler’s side at the Start.

  182. the Nazis purged the Communists and unionists first, funded by millions of marks donated by German captains of industry. Strasserism was beaten out of the Nazi Party well before the war, and the anti-capitalist parts of their platform were deleted.

    Here, educate yourself. Or stay ignorant, if you like.

    Good old lefty academic forgot to mention the massive public expenditures by the Nazis that left Germany with an enormous debt that was seen as a catalyst for war.
    Not much capatalism in that.

  183. struth

    Monty, please give us examples of what hate has come from Trump’s mouth.

  184. Monty still hasn’t worked out, BoN, that the first thing that happens when socialists gain power is the purge.
    Nobody expects the Stalinesque Purge! Nobody!
    …and he, the fool, will be in the first lot to hear the label “Wrecker!” and “Enemy of the People!”
    Off to the re Education Camps with him!
    He will kneel in the tiled cell with the drain in the middle and think to himself “If only Stalin knew of this!”

  185. Mater

    Educate yourself, monty.

    http://dspace.mit.edu/bitstream/handle/1721.1/64262/sovietnazieconom00temi.pdf?sequence=1&origin=publication_detail

    And, if you read some of his other works, Peter Temin can hardly be thought of as being of the Right.

  186. Bruce of Newcastle

    None, but there are hundreds of incidents following the election like this one.

    LOL. From the phrasing in the story it sounds like the black guy was the Trump supporter.
    And this is an article in a local newspaper from the 20th Nov 2016….
    M0nty, you do dig so deep to find such things!

  187. Mother Lode

    Why do teachers need university degree?

    As a talisman for intellectually invincibility.

    They are up there with giants like Einstein, Marx, and Germy Greer! They are brilliant, and any one who does not recognise it is beneath contempt.

    It is how they can sniff contempt at students’ parents who might themselves be doctors, engineers, whatever.

  188. Cactus

    Back at work for first time post festivities. Figure that Wednesday would make it easier.

    Still looking for distraction. Quick survey for cats,
    When you mention to persona A in a conversation that you are going to catch up with person B, and Person A asks you to say hi to person B…. Does anyone actually do that? I.e. say to person B that Person A said hi? I never do.

    Just trying to distract myself from the burning of my unread emails.

  189. struth

    None, but there are hundreds of incidents following the election like this one.

    You really hold this shit up as worthy of looking at.
    A couple of black men assault a white guy for being a Trump supporter, and he fights back?

    Is this the best you’ve got?
    You are a fuckwit of the highest order, and I’ll go as far as to state this.
    All violence that you have seen from the right has been on the spot retaliation from left wing instigation.
    We don’t attend your rallies, but you attend ours…………………………………..

  190. Stimpson J. Cat

    Ann Coulter
    Ann Coulter
    @AnnCoulter
    Whatever happened child prodigy Ahmed, who invented a clock but his teacher was too Islamophobic to realize it was a clock? Has he invented anything else yet?

  191. struth

    As a talisman for intellectually invincibility.

    We often hear the left wing brainfarts from 20 something bimbos simply because they are an “academic”
    Being an academic should be immediate disqualification from being taken seriously.
    Insulated morons, and institutionally brainwashed beyond help.

  192. areff

    Every now and then, I want a change from vaping, so just wandered across to Coles.

    “Horizon Blue 20s,” says I.

    “Can’t serve you,” says the counter kid.

    “Why?”

    Pipes up the other checkout hand: “He hasn’t done his tobacco-vending course”

    “Can you serve me?”

    “No, haven’t done mine either.”

    Next comes a PA announcement requesting the presence up front of a more senior staffer. Takes a minute or two for her to arrive, which she eventually does. She grabs my fags and, finally, I’m served.

    Says I to the non-tobacco-certified kids: “You should get yellow vests and riot in the streets.”

    Replies the young girl: “But it’s the law!”

    Her colleagues nod like woggle-head dogs on a rear window parcel shelf.

    This country, it’s stuffed.

  193. John Constantine

    “There is talk, however, that Labuschagne did enough to earn consideration for the mid-year Ashes tour of England and chase his maiden Test ton.

    Meanwhile, Marnus’ dad Andre wants to build on his 750,000 tonnes near Coolabah in western NSW.

    Andre is the executive chairman of Aeris Resources, which was today granted a new exploration tenement (EL8810). It runs right up against the north‐west corner of the current Tritton tenement package, where 750,000 tonnes of copper has been discovered so far along in a 50km long corridor.

    While all that has been welcomed by the market, the real excitement in the months ahead will come from the Torrens exploration program in South Australia.

    A joint venture between Aeris and Argonaut Resources (ASX:ARE) has been working for years towards a huge drilling campaign at Torrens – which happens to be just 40km from BHP’s recent copper discovery at Oak Dam West. A drilling program is due to kick off in a matter of weeks.”

  194. Letting ownership of companies remain in the hands of those that agreed to do exactly as they were told and to produce exactly what they are told, is not capitalism Monster.

    Wait, so the Allies were communist too? I am learning so much from you struth, you fount of wisdom you.

  195. JC

    Wait, so the Allies were communist too?

    Like who, doofus?

  196. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    He will kneel in the tiled cell with the drain in the middle and think to himself “If only Stalin knew of this!”

    “But – but -but this isn’t the way it was supposed to work! I was supposed to be the one sitting behind the big desk, signing the death warrants!”

  197. I love the use of the words “just” and “only”. The border patrol detains 6 people on the terrorist watch list in a six month period.

    This is the same bullshit our leftist traitors try and pull. A few deaths from terrorism is the narrative, ignoring the hundreds of arrests and thousands of lives that could’ve been lost if it weren’t for $billions being spent on policing and intelligence.

  198. It is a mark of a small intellect when you label everything outside your narrow definition of virtue to be communist/socialist. This covers struth as well as iampeter.

  199. Rae

    Rae;

    Just one CoPlavix (clopidogrel) a day for 6 to 12 months is all that is needed to keep a stent clean and clot free.

    Stop giving advice that you pick up on Facebook, you bloody fool.

    Facebook. Lol. No. Not Google or Wiki either, Hun.

    Cardiac stent placement is mostly an uneventful minimally-invasive procedure. Done in the Cath Lab, not in theatre. Cardiac Interventionist goes in via groin or wrist, locates [partial] blockage and inflates balloon catheter to clear it, then inserts an appropriate size stent (usually bare metal) to keep the artery open. Patient is started on Plavix/CoPlavix to keep the new stent clean and free from clots for 6 to 12 months. Overnight stay in Cardiac Ward to monitor for bleeding and to gradually release the wrist band if that was the entry point. Follow up with Cardiologist 2 to 4 weeks after stent insertion.

    Can be less routine if the patient has presented with a heart attack or Left Bundle Branch Block, but stenting procedure, after care and medication are the same.

    [Some Cardiologists prefer to keep the patient on Plavix/CoPlavix for longer than 12 months, depending on the patient’s age and other medical conditions.]

  200. Boambee John

    Bruce of Newcastle
    #2902308, posted on January 9, 2019 at 12:29 pm
    M0nty – Which far-left politicians have been beaten nearly to death by Trump supporters?
    I’m eager to know.

    Don’t you remember the congressman who was shot and nearly killed at baseball practice?

    Oh, sorry, he was a Republican attacjed by a Bernie Bro, doesn’t count.

  201. Right on cue, Muttley.

    It is a mark of a small intellect when you label everything outside your narrow definition of virtue to be communist/socialist NAZI.

    I fixes it!!!

    Here, let me give you a hand 😁

  202. thefrolickingmole

    I also hope they catch the perpetrators. That is a cowardly act that does no good.

    So how do you reconcile this with your previous “bash the fash” posting from last year?

    Thye literally did exactly what you were in favor of.

    And dont make me post the incredibly socialist bits from the nazis election campaign again, including abolishing interest/controlling rents & so on.

    Even “marxists.org” admit unions were effectively vehicles for state coersion and not employee advocates in the USSR.

    At the Third Congress of the Trade Unions Trotsky defended the labour armies. His most vocal, though not the only, critics were the Mensheviks, who still enjoyed some freedom of expression and argued that militarisation of labour would lower and not raise productivity, for high productivity could be obtained with free labour only. The central point in Trotsky’s counter-argument was the denial of any real difference between voluntary and compulsory labour:

    Let the Menshevik speakers explain to us [these were Trotsky’s words] what is meant by free, non-compulsory labour? We have known slave-labour, serf-labour, compulsory regimented labour in the medieval crafts, and the labour of free wage-earners which the bourgeoisie calls free labour. We are now heading towards the type of labour that is socially regulated on the basis of an economic plan, obligatory for the whole country, compulsory for every worker. This is the basis of socialism… The militarisation of labour, in this fundamental meaning of which I have spoken, is the indispensable, basic method for the organisation of our labour forces… If our new form of organisation of labour were to result in lower productivity, then, ipso facto, we would be heading for disaster… But is it true that compulsory labour is always unproductive? … This is the most wretched and miserable liberal prejudice: chattel-slavery, too, was productive. Its productivity was higher than that of slave-labour, and in so far as serfdom and feudal lordship guaranteed the security of the towns… and of peasant labour, in so far it was a progressive form of labour. Compulsory serf-labour did not grow out of the feudal lords’ ill-will. It was a progressive phenomenon… The whole history of mankind is the history of its education for work, for higher productivity of labour. This is by no means so simple a task, for man is lazy and he has the right to be so… Even free wage-labour was not productive at first… it became so gradually after a process of social education. All sorts of methods were used for that education. The bourgeoisie at first drove the peasant out to the high roads and grabbed his land. When the peasant refused to work in the factories, the bourgeoisie branded him with hot iron, hanged or shot him and so forcibly trained him for manufacture… Our task is to educate the working class on socialist principles. What are our methods for that?

    They are not less varied than those used by the bourgeoisie, but they are more honest, more direct and frank, uncorrupted by mendacity and fraud. The bourgeoisie had to pretend that its system of labour was free, and it deceived the simple-minded about the productivity of that labour. We know that every labour is socially compulsory labour. Man must work in order not to die. He does not want to work. But the social organisation compels and whips him into that direction. The new, socialist order differs from the bourgeois one in that with us labour is performed in the interest of society, and therefore we need no priestly, church-like, liberal or Menshevik recipes for raising the labour energy of the proletariat… The first way of disciplining and organising labour is to make the economic plan clear to the widest masses of the toilers. When we transfer a worker from one spot to another, when we call up the peasant for labour duty, those called up should first of all be convinced that they are not being called up for nothing, that those who have mobilised them have a definite plan, that a necessary economic job must be performed at the spot where the labour force has now been placed…

    Wages, under present conditions, must not be viewed from the angle of securing the personal existence of the individual worker; they should above all serve to evaluate what that individual worker contributes to the workers’ republic. Wages should measure the conscientiousness, usefulness and efficiency of the work of every labourer. As long as we are poor, as long as we do not have enough food to satisfy minimum needs, we cannot distribute it equally to all workers, and we shall allocate consumers’ goods… to essential workers… We are obliged to act in this way for the sake of the country’s future and in order to save the working masses. [33]

    This is, as far as we know, the frankest statement of what may conditionally be termed a totalitarian labour policy, perhaps the only attempt at a sociological and philosophical justification of such a policy that has ever been made in Russia or elsewhere. Trotsky proclaimed the unrestricted right of the proletarian state to use the labour power of the nation in the way it considered proper and the duty of the trade unions to concern themselves with the worker as a producer and not as a consumer. The trade unions ought to discipline the worker, to raise his efficiency, to get him interested in the management and organisation of industry rather than to defend his claims to higher wages and better working conditions. All these would no doubt become available with the growth of the national income earned by the socialised economy, and therefore the trade unions should preoccupy themselves with the national income rather than with the individual incomes of the workers. In view of all this — such was Trotsky’s as yet unspoken conclusion — the trade unions, in their old form, had played out their role. As producers’ organisations they would have little in common with the old trade unions, except the name.

  203. struth

    the Nazis purged the Communists and unionists first, funded by millions of marks donated by German captains of industry. Strasserism was beaten out of the Nazi Party well before the war, and the anti-capitalist parts of their platform were deleted.

    The UN purged the capitalists and the sovereign nations first, funded by millions of Marks donated by Nazis like Soros (a captain of corporatism) and forcefully taken from the taxpayers of the west,…….
    the story is old hat.
    All of these arsehat socialists are intent on ruling ze vorld, and the international socialists will ban unions as well , once they are in complete control.
    Such is the bullshit of socialism, they believe they are the workers party, no need for unions.

    Now here’s what we haven’t explained to you yet Monster.
    Not all socialists will be happy that other socialists are “ruling ze vorld”

    So as the dark curtain of socialism and all it’s depravity blankets the earth, the socialist warlords, like Hitler and Stalin in the past, will be at each other’s throat.
    The EU will only humour the the UN and vice versa for a while and to a point.
    Then of course the socialist China will be amongst it as well.
    Of course China would never go to war with Europe in Montyland, they’re both Socialist!!!!!!!

    All you are doing in supporting destruction of the west to be replaced by war, starvation and misery as competing socialists try to “rule ze vorld” once the west has gone.

  204. jupes

    Discuss, Libertarians.

    You’re offended by US government support of the J*wish State aren’t you Stimpy.

    Good.

  205. Now you’re sounding crazy like Anne, struth.

  206. Rae

    I think I was taking six different pills for the first year.

    But not for the stent. Maybe for the other/underlying medical conditions you have that may have led to the need for a stent.

  207. Stimpson J. Cat

    You’re offended by US government support of the J*wish State aren’t you Stimpy.
    Good.

    That’s your best argument?
    Really?
    Bravo.

    Imagine the Dems being the party of free speech and protecting the following instead of Republicans :

    “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.”

    Oh wait they did!

    Marco Rubio
    Marco Rubio
    @marcorubio
    Today Senate Democrats decided to put shutdown politics ahead of support for #Israel by voting against beginning debate on our Senate Bill 1. But we will try again later this week.
    Being obstructionists isn’t going to end the shutdown.

    Imagine having principles you can put down whenever they get too heavy.
    Very weak indeed.

  208. Andreas

    Wait, so the Allies were communist too? I am learning so much from you struth, you fount of wisdom you.

    Well by your definitions WWII was Nazis versus Nazis so I’m not sure you can criticise.

  209. Stimpson J. Cat

    You’re offended by US government support of the J®wish State aren’t you Stimpy.
    Good.

    That’s your best argument?
    Really?
    Bravo.

    Imagine the Dems being the party of free speech and protecting the following instead of Republicans :

    “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.”

    Oh wait they did!

    Marco Rubio
    Marco Rubio
    @marcorubio
    Today Senate Democrats decided to put shutdown politics ahead of support for #Israel by voting against beginning debate on our Senate Bill 1. But we will try again later this week.
    Being obstructionists isn’t going to end the shutdown.

    Imagine having principles you can put down whenever they get too heavy.
    Very weak indeed.

  210. C.L.

    Reports:
    Deceased Supreme Court judge Ruth Bader Ginsburg misses another day of legal argument.

  211. struth

    Letting ownership of companies remain in the hands of those that agreed to do exactly as they were told and to produce exactly what they are told, is not capitalism Monster.

    Wait, so the Allies were communist too? I am learning so much from you struth, you fount of wisdom you.

    Not dealing with you nicely today, so you should realise that trying to weasel your way out of your statements is not going to work.

    You claim that Hitler was not a socialist , regardless of the fact he called himself and his party Socialist and acted like a socialist dictator in everything he did.
    You claim he wasn’t socialist because he controlled the means of production, but didn’t own it outright.
    This is all you have.
    When I point out that this practice is not capitalism, you (so typical of the left) twist it to say the capitalist west did the same thing.
    This is important for others to see.
    I get what you just did.
    Hitler was doing it before he went to war, not just during war time.
    Secondly, all the practices of the west in war time of course were not freedom inspired free market, it was war.
    They conscripted people and all sorts of things.
    It doesn’t matter.
    See here’s the point Monty.
    Hitler, taking control of the means of production is not capitalism, it is socialism.
    If the west did exactly the same thing, it is socialism, not capitalism.
    It is state control of the means of production, which countries need to do sometimes in war.
    It still doesn’t change what it is, and what Hitler did, was not capitalism, and cannot be used as an out by you guys.
    There was never any right wing free market capitalism in Nazi Germany anywhere, no matter what the other countries were doing.

  212. Rae

    Btw, Winston. I’m not giving advice. Just stating facts.

  213. struth

    Now you’re sounding crazy like Anne, struth

    What sort of reason could possibly make you think that is a point to make?
    If I’m sounding crazy to you, I’m glad.

  214. the Nazis purged the Communists and unionists first

    As usual the fat lying leftard is lying and thinking everyone here is as braindead as the socialist vermin he is surrounded by;

    QUOTE: “As things stand today, the trade unions in my opinion cannot be dispensed with. On the contrary, they are among the most important institutions of the nation’s economic life. Their significance lies not only in the social and political field, but even more in the general field of national politics. A people whose broad masses, through a sound trade-union movement, obtain the satisfaction of their living requirements and at the same time an education, will be tremendously strengthened in its power of resistance in the struggle for existence.”
    Adolf Hitler, Leader of National SOCIALIST German WORKERS Party, Mein Kampf, Chapter 12 (the chapter about how wonderful Unions are)

    And let’s have a look at this absolute beauty. A piece of history, an absolute masterpiece;

    “January 5, 1935”

    Note the date Fat-Fuck.

    “One Vast National Trade-Union- Germany”

    Then we get to the best part.

    “A Socialist Workers’ Government has achieved a workers’ revolution in Germany without resorting to, tho is some respects it approximates, Communism”.

    Wait…just once more with impact;

    “A Socialist Workers’ Government has achieved a workers’ revolution in Germany without resorting to, tho is some respects it approximates, Communism“.

    Get that Fat-Fuck? A SOCIALIST WORKERS GOVERNMENT….IT APPROXIMATES COMMUNISM.

    Note Fat-Fuck, as the tears soak into your 57th donut of the day, that the date of the article is January 5, 1935. An original source, not tampered with by leftist “revisionist” (i.e. false, propaganda, lies etc.) history.

    And what does this original source, along with numerous historical accounts, books, documents, etc. tell us?

    The Nazis had the biggest Trade Union in history! The biggest EVAH Union!
    The Nazis didn’t ban Unions, they NATIONALISED THEM!!!!

    You can’t get anything MORE lefty than NATIONALISING UNIONS and forcing workers to join it!
    Ahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!! That would be Labor policy in a heartbeat if they could get away with it!

    Once again the lying left learn from their ideological brothers – tell a lie and repeat it often enough until it becomes the truth. “The Nazis hated Unions and banned them” LIES! LIES! LIES! (as evidenced above with primary historical sources).

    And when you can’t lie then draw the biggest arc in the Universe to the smallest, tiniest most miniscule cherry-picked “fact” you can to try and claim the Nazis aren’t of the left (or the far-right OF SOCIALISM).
    “But muh…but Krupps sold some pots and pans on da fwee market so da Nazis is da far right-wingy…” whilst ignoring the 99.97% of the National SOCIALIST program (the far-right OF SOCIALISM) that was, always was, is and always will be completely and utterly 100% Socialist.

    If there hadn’t been a couple of Nazi maaaaaates allowed to make a bit of a profit then the filthy, vermin left would still be trying to distract attention from the fact that the Nazis are but a cigarette papers difference from their much more murderous socialist cult branch by pointing to the fact that the trains ran on time and trains are right wing because the author of Thomas the Tank Engine was a conservative or some other atom-of-a-cherry picked factoid that they can fart out of their putrid backsides that pass for brains.

    Now Fat-Fuck, go and find a PRE-WAR article that describes National Socialism, the far-right OF SOCIALISM, as “A right-wing Government” or that it “approximates conservatism”. Good luck Fat Fuck!
    You just lost…again. Like the fat fucking piece of Socialist barely human loser garbage you are.

  215. Parliaments Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.”

    The above amendment to our constitution should be put as a referendum question at the next election.

    Do you approve YES/NO?

    Gofer it Scottie!

  216. thefrolickingmole

    C.L.

    Weekend at Ginsbergs…

  217. DrBeauGan

    National Socialism was a Marxist heresy. Religions always hate the heretics more than they do the unbelievers.

  218. the right of the people peaceably to assemble

    on the St Kilda foreshore
    OR
    outside an abortion clinic

  219. Stimpson J. Cat

    Imagine having to explain these concepts to Sane people on a Libertarian Centre Right website.
    They really aren’t bringing their best Bowties to the debate.
    And I’m sub average intelligence.
    Really disappointing guys.

    Do better.

  220. thefrolickingmole

    As a clever man put it.

    “In Nazi Germany,” Mises tells us, the property owners “were called shop managers or Betriebsführer. The government tells these seeming entrepreneurs what and how to produce, at what prices and from whom to buy, at what prices and to whom to sell. The government decrees at what wages labourers should work, and to whom and under what terms the capitalists should entrust their funds. Market exchange is but a sham. As all prices, wages and interest rates are fixed by the authority, they are prices, wages and interest rates in appearance only; in fact they are merely quantitative terms in the authoritarian orders determining each citizen’s income, consumption and standard of living. The authority, not the consumers, directs production. The central board of production management is supreme; all citizens are nothing else but civil servants. This is socialism with the outward appearance of capitalism. Some labels of the capitalistic market economy are retained, but they signify here something entirely different from what they mean in the market economy.”

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