Is every protester an extremist?

Tony Abbott is in the paper this morning being soft on crime and tough on protesters.

The former prime minister also said that “kid-glove policing” was no excuse for the rally. Victoria Police has been widely criticised for more than a year over its handling of youth crime in Melbourne.

“We’re all against soft-touch policing, we’re all against kid-glove policing, but that doesn’t mean that we should be supporting extremists, of the left or the right,” Mr Abbott said.

Yet Abbott himself has appeared at protests where some participants got over-excited.

 I want the protest to be civil. I want it to be entirely in keeping with the Australian tradition. But let’s not get too precious about these things.

I’m quite sure there were people at the St. Kilda protests who are not neo-Nazis or racists and don’t appreciate being categorised as such. Right now the Liberals are signalling their tough-on-crime credentials (see the number of we-have-deported-foreign-criminals stories in the Australian over the last few days) so you’d think exploiting concerns about soft-touch policing and sentencing in Victoria would be well-thought out and pre-planned. But no.

Update I: Victorian authorities are not happy.

Victorian Police Minister Lisa Neville says Tony Abbott should “stick to causing chaos and dysfunction” as she defends the force against the former PM.

Mr Abbott criticised police this morning on 2GB over their “kid-glove policing” approach to youth crime in Victoria, suggesting it drove people to attend the a neo-Nazi rally in Melbourne’s St Kilda on Saturday.

Update II: Sam Dastyari has liberal sentiments.

While many people are understandably full of anger and disappointment at the scenes that played out in Melbourne at the weekend. I’m not.

Many well intentioned community leaders argue it has been a terrible week for multiculturalism and modern Australian diversity. I disagree. The fact that a bunch of reactionary, ill-informed idiots have the right to march through the streets of Melbourne fills me with hope. I despise them and love our country more. Their freedom to be fools is my freedom to embrace the causes I believe in.

Let them march, I say. Let them be exposed for the ignorant losers they are. Sunlight is the best disinfectant; exposing their policy positions as nothing more than hate filled excuses for their own life failures.

And so I’m glad they are out there on the streets. Glad they are there for everyone to see. I would rather that than they just exist in the dark recesses of the internet, where their ideas are not challenged. Where their views are not exposed. Where they are able to prey on those weak or disposed enough to give them a hearing.

I want their hate exposed. Laid bare for all. Their ideas challenged. So we can keep reminding ourselves that their freedom to hate is our freedom to love, and that’s what makes Australia great.

Update III: Miranda taking names and kicking butts.

That’s the same Hanson-Young who once appeared at another rally in Melbourne, organised by “Australians for Palestine”, where placards reportedly featured swastikas and a Star of David superimposed over a pig.

Not sure if it was the same rally but here is Glenn Milne.

Another depicted a picture of a Star of David superimposed over a pig. And there was the T-shirt which featured a swastika embedded in a Star of David along with the words emblazoned on top “Jewed To Death.com”

Surely if Gillard can smear Tony Abbott because some representatives of the anti-Semitic League of Rights and Pauline Hanson attended the recent Parliament House rally against the carbon tax he addressed, she can summon even more moral outrage against Lee Rhiannon and Sarah-Hanson Young.

If Abbott is to be condemned by association then so must Hanson-Young, who would no doubt use the same defence as the Opposition Leader; that she did not organise the rally and could not be responsible for the placards displayed there.

 

 

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49 Responses to Is every protester an extremist?

  1. A Lurker

    I’ll just put this here as to what the Australian media didn’t care to report on last weekend.

    Interesting don’t you think?

  2. Roger

    Right now the Liberals are signalling their tough-on-crime credentials…so you’d think exploiting concerns about soft-touch policing and sentencing in Victoria would be well-thought out and pre-planned. But no.

    Getting the Liberals to sing together on any issue is like corralling cockroaches.

  3. mh

    A Lurker
    #2901567, posted on January 8, 2019 at 10:17 am
    I’ll just put this here as to what the Australian media didn’t care to report on last weekend.

    Is that Monty in the bottom photo with the Victorian Socialists T-shirt?

  4. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Is that Monty in the bottom photo with the Victorian Socialists T-shirt?

    You could be right, you know.

  5. Robbo

    “A Lurker
    #2901567, posted on January 8, 2019 at 10:17 am”

    My understanding is that the Nazi salute was being done by those s0-called anti fascists and not by the other side. If that is correct then it is another example of reporting that is not only lazy but biased.

  6. John Constantine

    Is every protestor an extremist?.

    I will be, once my yellow vest goes on, it ain’t going on to be sociable.

    Comrades.

  7. Bosnich

    Ref. “nazi’ salutes …. if you ever go to an English soccer match you will see spectators waving their arms at the opposition people whilst chanting “Who are Ya”?
    Not a Nazi salute,just good humoured taking the piss.

  8. md

    A Lurker
    #2901567, posted on January 8, 2019 at 10:17 am
    I’ll just put this here as to what the Australian media didn’t care to report on last weekend.

    From A Lurker’s lined article:

    Guess how many journalists mentioned any of this?

    More importantly, guess how many ‘conservative’ politicians mentioned any of this?

  9. stackja

    md
    #2901597, posted on January 8, 2019 at 10:50 am

    All about Get Up FA.

  10. bespoke

    Good point Sinc. And balanced.

  11. a happy little debunker

    Saw the footage again on the ABC ‘news’ broadcast last night.

    Proof positive they were ALL Nazi’s – the protagonist extending his arm in a Sieg Heil salute, whilst mockingly using his other hand to mimic Hitler’s little black moustache and ending with a flourish of 2 extended fingers.

  12. Cassie of Sydney

    “Is every protester an extremist?

    Why of course….but only if you are a conservative or right-wing.

    You are NEVER an extremist if you are left-wing or hard-left…you’re an “anti-racist”…you’re a good guy.

    It is beyond pathetic. And I’ll reiterate, I happen to think that Blair Cottrell is a very unpleasant and revolting human being….he has a habit of both looking for and embroiling himself in troublesome situations but I also reckon that amongst the so called anti-racists on the beach that day, that they also had more than their fair share of unpleasant and revolting human beings who, like Cottroll, also like to look for and embroil themselves in troublesome situations. Where is the media scrutiny on these far left extremists? Nothing has been reported. It is a disgrace.

  13. EvilElvis

    Interesting don’t you think?

    Won’t see that on the unbiased ‘msm’ or ABC.

  14. md

    This in the age this morning. It’s interesting that The Age put up just two images of ‘nazi salutes’, the second one being the static image at the start of the video. Look at the people involved and decide for yourself which side they were on.
    Also, in the first few seconds the voiceover says ‘for supporting a far-right rally’ at which point, coincidentally, the video shows a person being restrained on the ground by police. Again, which side do you think the person is on?

  15. Fred

    I wonder how many fashionable protests that Labor and Greens MPs have attended and billed the taxpayers for their travel. Homosexual marriage, refugees, climate change etc.

    Funny, I can’t recall the media running any stories about that.

  16. Cassie of Sydney

    “a happy little debunker
    #2901605, posted on January 8, 2019 at 11:08 am
    Saw the footage again on the ABC ‘news’ broadcast last night.”

    I find it so reassuring that the ABC is now so concerned with anti-S*mitism and Joo haters. I look forward to the ABC’s wall to wall coverage of the next anti-S*mitic BDS and pro-Hamas rally….rallies that are usually frequented by certain far-left extremist Greens.

  17. Just Interested

    Anthony Abbott just doing what he does best – trying to appease both sides, disappointing both.

    More generally, the real policy area here is the enforcement of law and order, still (!) a residuary state responsibility.

    As happened last year when Dutto intervened on this general issue, the issue becomes muddied once the Feds become involved,

    Where is Mr O’Brien (whom I believe is The Person Called State Opposition Leader)?

  18. A similar protest in Charlotsville got a bit rowdy. The MSM asked Trump about the people involved (one person got run over and died). He said there were fine people on both sides of the protest (there were)
    The MSM went into over drive claiming Trump supported Nazis.

    Fast forward 2019
    Abbott is asked about the protest. He says “that doesn’t mean that we should be supporting extremists, of the left or the right,” and what does Sinc do? Portrays that as a negative and brings up an old media “gotcha” on Abbott.

    How is Sinc’s behaviour any different to the agenda driven MSM?

  19. Dr Faustus

    Anthony Abbott just doing what he does best – trying to appease both sides, disappointing both.

    Correct.
    Those thinking he is passing through his ‘wilderness years‘ might reflect that he still seems to hold the misguided ‘both side of the story’ baggage that made hime such an ineffective PM.

    He will never be loved by the SMH, or the ABC.

  20. Mark M

    Video of anti-nazi supporters attacking nazis:

    Africans Attack Vietnamese Food Patrons.(St Albans) Seven + Nine News

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SAsimmXaLmo

    Who can tell who the anti-nazis are?

  21. mh

    If you are an Asian shopkeeper in Melbourne who gets targeted by Africans it would be a good idea to ring the police and say you are being attacked by white supremacists.

    All available personnel we have an emergency situation…. 🚨👮‍♂️🚨👮‍♂️🚨👮‍♂️🚨👮‍♂️🚨👮‍♂️🚨👮‍♂️

  22. MatrixTransform

    ring the police and say you are being attacked by white supremacists

    funny because its probably true

  23. Rohan

    How is Sinc’s behaviour any different to the agenda driven MSM?

    Sync has been drinking from the bittered Savva’s kool aid.

  24. Deplorable

    Is every protestor an extremist?.

    I will be, once my yellow vest goes on, it ain’t going on to be sociable.

    Comrades.

    Put my order in today😁

  25. Dave in Marybrook

    What are you saying Sinc?
    A666ott makes some quiet points that cut both ways, to the police response to both the well-broadcast demonstrations and the non-response to gang crime.
    I haven’t noticed anyone else making any progress- and you noticeably haven’t posted a headline about the relevant Minister’s comments- is that what you meant by the Right lacking a co-ordinated, or even instinctual response to capitalise on the the left’s empty groupthink?

  26. Deplorable

    It is beyond pathetic. And I’ll reiterate, I happen to think that Blair Cottrell is a very unpleasant and revolting human being….

    I don’t know what gives you that opinion Cassie , I have watched him being interviewed and listened to his thoughts and I cannot agree with you. Recent conviction for offending is more legal rubbish from judges who should know better.
    Cottrell is the bloke you want on your side when the shit hits the fan and we should all support him.

  27. pbw

    debunker,

    At this link, see IT WAS FUNNY WHEN JOHN CLEESE DID IT,

  28. Stimpson J. Cat

    Everyone who is not a Libertarian is an Extremist.
    Everyone knows this.

  29. Muddy

    It is long past time to examine our continued use of our enemy’s shut-up label of ‘racist.’ It is now essentially meaningless, and if it ever had a constructive purpose, that has been replaced by an imposed restraint on thought. Prejudice is not the same as discrimination.
    By continuing to embrace the term & its motivation for use, we give our imprimatur to the collective tactics of force of our enemies.
    Own the term. Use it ad infinitum. Dilute it. Kill it.

  30. Tim Neilson

    Tony Abbott is in the paper this morning being soft on crime

    Really Sinc ?

    You quoted this yourself:

    “We’re all against soft-touch policing, we’re all against kid-glove policing,

    Sinc, sorry to have to be the one to break it to you but Michael Trumble is gone. Abbott Derangement Syndrome isn’t going to bring him back.

  31. Dr Fred Lenin

    I see the fascist welfareist antifa gang are covering all socialist bases in the colours ot that flag ,comrade hitlers black and red and comrade stalins red both symbolising the blood of their victims and the black times they imposed ,history repeats ,no brownshirts though,or ss black tunics , not yet anyway,wait till shorten wins .

  32. HGS

    Is there something wrong with extremism? Should I be a mild supporter of freedom, or not?

  33. jupes

    Sam Dastyari has liberal sentiments.

    He also has no shame. That load of liberal platitudes is coming from the bought and paid for Chicom agent.

    Credibility zero.

  34. Sinclair Davidson

    You’re being unfair Jupes. If only the ALP were under the sway of the CCP – they are capitalists who believe in free(ish) markets.

  35. Boambee John

    Doomlord

    Perhaps so, but they (and the Liberals) act more as if they will believe whatever they see as being most beneficial to them personally.

  36. mh

    Is Dastyari a duel citizen?

    If he is, then over to you Mr Dutton.

  37. iamok

    How is it that conflicted and often criminal fuckwits like Dastayari, KRudd, fucking fucking fucking Turdbull and the Red Mole keep getting airtime? They are simply awful people, devoid of principles other than what they themselves want for themselves. It’s got me totally fucked. FFFS

  38. mh

    The fact that a bunch of reactionary, ill-informed idiots have the right to march through the streets of Melbourne fills me with hope. I despise them and love our country more. Their freedom to be fools is my freedom to embrace the causes I believe in.

    Enough about Antifa, Sam.

  39. DrBeauGan

    So Tony Abbott thinks lying to parliament is bad, but lying to the ABC is OK. Where does he draw the line? Family? Friends? Voters?

    Asking for a fiend.

  40. jupes

    If only the ALP were under the sway of the CCP – they are capitalists who believe in free(ish) markets.

    Surely you jest.

    If the ALP had a few more Chicom agents such as the Persian Dwarf, then it wouldn’t be too long before Bob Carr becomes (the Chicom equivalent of) Governor General and Australia becomes a vassal state of China.

    On the other hand they know how to deal with the Muslim threat, so there is that.

  41. C.L.

    Abbott hasn’t changed.
    This is the final proof.
    He’s still doing the old pox on both their houses routine.
    Sure, he loaded this intervention up with plenty of anti-VicPol ballast and that’s good. Certainly it distinguishes him from squishball Morrison who came at the issue from the Hanson-Young left. But what he should have done is slammed VicPol, hammered multiculturalism and eviscerated those seeking to slander, calumniate and caricature 99 percent of the attendees at this rally.
    As for the disgraced Dastyari, it should never be forgotten that he was forced out of Parliament for – amongst other things – representing the men who orchestrated the Tiananmen Square massacre. It’s a great shame he couldn’t be deported back to Persia.

  42. Makka

    If only the ALP were under the sway of the CCP – they are capitalists who believe in free(ish) markets.

    That says a lot. Advocating for Chicoms now.

  43. Chris M

    Good point Sinc. And balanced.

    Yes, I wonder what Malcolm thinks of this?

  44. Beertruk

    Roger
    #2901569, posted on January 8, 2019 at 10:19 am

    I would have said ‘herding cats,’ but ‘corralling cockroaches’ is good.

  45. iain russell

    I assume Shanghai Sam was talking about a march of Muslims. That wasn’t reported at all.

  46. Linden

    And what about the convicted murderer who was recognised parading with the lefties, apparently in 1990 he stabbed 7 people and was convicted for murder for one of the stabbings, nothing there either! And the organizers of the protest forecast well and truly before the event that it would be totally reported in favour of the socialist left; and they were right about.

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