Open Forum: January 19, 2019

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  1. mh

    Seeing as our society is transitioning, She’s Got Ball$ might work.

  2. Nelson Kidd-Players

    Struth, if you do Things Don’t Seem, can we understand the lyrics, or do you perform it straight?

  3. MatrixTransform

    She’s Got Ball$

    Whole Lotta Rosie?

  4. struth

    If you can understand the lyrics then I’m doing it all wrong.

  5. Memoryvault

    So you don’t like the idea of an Australianised rewrite of ‘Green Beret’?

  6. DrBeauGan

    I don’t believe for a microsecond that Aussies buy lefty bullshit. I reckon they are too polite to call it out. But nearly all of them know it’s bullshit. And if they had any idea of how much there is, in schools and universities, they’d stop being polite quickfast.

  7. Siltstone

    Richard Clapton Girls on the Avenue.

  8. Jo

    Why aren’t they creating havoc and changing the world?

    Because their heroes aren’t. Sportsmen are wearing rainbow socks and playing in Respect rounds, and musicians are lighting candles. It takes a brave kid to break free.

  9. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    A good, loud, brassy pub band, with an audience who are all as p!ssed as fOrts – what could be more suitable for Australia Day?

  10. struth

    I’m very James Rayne.
    Done most of his stuff.
    Love Downhearted.

    Look, to be honest, I’d be bloody famous except I look like your average middle aged stocky truck driver.
    People are horrified when I’m setting up until I start playing.
    But middled aged white men must be seen and not heard.

    I’m very solid…….once a bloke in the audience said ……..how the fuck are you doing that you’ve got fingers like sausages. !!!
    I’ve actually got to overcome the sexism and agist racism of people these days.
    When I was younger and prettier in the NT I had me some groupies but I wasn’t half the muso I am now.
    Thing is, with the aging of Australia I’m not after the young ones.
    They’re broke and can’t handle the piss.

  11. struth

    Thanks memoryvault…..never say never is my motto.

  12. struth

    Siltstone, you are a music lover, I can tell.

  13. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Richard Clapton Girls on the Avenue.

    Saw him in Perth, back in the day. On stage with “Skyhooks.” The evening finished with four very amiable young men, cleverly disguised as police officers, who bailed us up in the middle of Murray Street, and told us that, if we weren’t going home forthwith, they offered alternative accommodation — East Perth lockup…

  14. struth

    Deep water is also a fine song.

  15. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Deep water is also a fine song.

    My oath.

  16. Memoryvault

    if we weren’t going home forthwith, they offered alternative accommodation —
    East Perth lockup…

    It’s an interesting place to spend the night.
    I speak from experience.

    Twice.

  17. MatrixTransform

    and Goodbye Tiger

  18. struth

    Spill ya guts mv …….we’re all mates here.
    What the fuck did you do? ????

  19. mh

    I don’t think Goodbye Tiger would work for Struth’s audience on Australia Day though. IMO.

  20. Memoryvault

    Drunk and disorderly the first time.
    Drunk and disorderly plus unlawfully on premises the second time.

  21. struth

    At least tonight it reminded me of Richard Clapton so there’s a coupla crowded house songs to make up the gig that won’t be needed.
    Just for interest I’ll actually play Diamantina Drover, Six Ribbons by John English alongside powderfinger and Grinspoon.
    I have no pride.
    A good song is a good song.

  22. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    This one’s for struth, on the dangers of playing country pubs. A certain pub, in the late 1970’s, had a South African band one Friday night. Certain radical elements, among the local indigenous, tried to mount a protest against the evils of apartheid.. the result was rather a spectacular brawl in the car park…the irony was that, what contemporary songs the band sang, were protesting against the apartheid regime..

  23. struth

    Lucky you weren’t in Perth a coupla nights ago then!!!

  24. MatrixTransform

    Six Ribbons … yr feckin’ joking?
    OFMG!

  25. mh

    Donald J. Trump
    Donald J. Trump
    @realDonaldTrump
    ·
    20m
    Be careful and try staying in your house. Large parts of the Country are suffering from tremendous amounts of snow and near record setting cold. Amazing how big this system is. Wouldn’t be bad to have a little of that good old fashioned Global Warming right now!

  26. struth

    Zulu, I have played in Alice Springs in a pub on the mall and thought everyone was pointing and laughing at me only to find that behind us in full view , a gin was backing one out swinging from the park bench behind us.

  27. Memoryvault

    Large parts of the Country are suffering from tremendous amounts of snow and near record setting cold.

    Just what did Trump expect as we move into a Grand Solar Minimum?

  28. struth

    Better off alone is a good song and six ribbons is one of those ” well this is different” songs…..works very well once a year.

  29. struth

    Well there seems to be no armadillo to foil at 50.

  30. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Struth, Riverstone R.S.L. on one Friday night. Place was packed, the band was belting out Creedence Clearwater Revival, the music was stopped, the couple having a quick “how’s your father” in the corner were thrown out, and the band went on with “Proud Mary.”

  31. Memoryvault

    Zulu,
    You patronise the RSL?
    I’m disappointed.

  32. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Memory Vault, do you remember when Perth had the best nightlife in Australia? Mind you, there were those dives where the furniture was bolted to the floor, and there were others, where if you went home with one of the young” ladies” you would be well advised to wear two condoms – what they could give you, could eat clean through a single condom, without pausing for breath? I’m remembering amateur strip nights, until the vice squad closed them down – “Pinocchio’s, wasn’t it?

  33. Memoryvault

    Zulu,
    I grew up in Perth, mostly.
    When I was seventeen I went to Sydney ‘cos that was where it was all supposed to be happening.
    A few months later I went home. I was sick of being bored shitless.
    Back in the late Sixties Perth rocked all night.
    In Sydney, apart from Kings Cross, they turned out the lights at 10.00pm.

    And even then, Kings Cross was a dive, catering to the loweat class of pervert tourists.
    The only place halfway entertaining was Les Girls.

  34. David from Canberra

    A more complete account of the MAGA/Native American incident, including full length video: link

  35. Top Ender

    Well-put!

    A few sober truths as year cranks up

    Mike O’Connor – NT News

    THREE weeks into the new year and already my hopes it was going to be in some way different to 2018 are fading faster than a fake tan.

    I tender as exhibit one Bernard Tomic, who continues to make moronic statements and is threatening to punch out people’s lights. I would have thought threats of physical violence would incur a lifetime ban from professional tennis. Apparently not.

    Nor has the State Government stopped denying that Queensland is chronically short of hospital beds and the Labor Party-affiliated Queensland Nurses Union has not stopped helping it conceal this shameful situation.

    Still, it’s early days and perhaps this will be the year in which Premier Annastacia Palaszczuk will announce plans to sell the Government’s Tower of Power building in George St with its plush ministerial suites and their sweeping views of the river, and use the proceeds to build more hospital beds.

    Henceforth, all ministers could work from the kitchen table at home using a laptop.

    No? Then perhaps this could be the year in which high-profile rugby league players will stop thinking that it’s really, really funny to have your mates video you performing sex acts with or without a partner, taking drugs and then posting the images on social media.

    Getting blind-drunk and groping members of the public might also be seen as not quite the thing for sports role models this year.

    It may not be that most highprofile NRL club players have an IQ score that is exceeded by their boot size. It just seems that way.

    When caught behaving like an animal and wrist-slapped by the NRL – who’s been a naughty boy? – will they continue to cry for the television cameras and say they’re sorry? Please tell me it won’t be so.

    The Brisbane City Council might finally haul itself out of the bed it shares with developers and start considering the life quality of residents in 2019. The developers get 99 per cent of what they want, and the council’s neighbourhood plans with regard to the height and density of apartment buildings have become a sad joke. If the Labor Party can tap into the deep-seated distrust of the council that exists in the community, it will sweep Team Quirk from office.

    It might also be the year when it is possible to voice the view that too many people, including students, are being allowed into Australia without being labelled a racist.

    Thousands of foreign students arrive here with the sole intention of gaming the visa system and extending their stays for years, until eventually, they are granted residency. They soak up entry-level jobs and put pressure on social infrastructure.

    If you want a vision of what Brisbane will be like by 2030, spend a few days as I did recently in Melbourne, catching desperately overloaded public transport on which it is barely possible to breathe and jostling for space on the footpaths. The place is bursting at the seams and it’s not pretty.

    We are letting too many people into the country and please don’t bore me with the argument that more people mean more taxes and, therefore, greater prosperity. It is a complete nonsense.

    This might also be the year in which 100 per cent of climate-change scientists finally agree that they are the greatest bunch of wankers in the history of scholarship who will say or do anything if someone gives them a nice, big fat research grant, thus saving them from the daunting prospect of getting a real job. It might be, but I somehow doubt it. It remains one of my regrets in life that I never jagged a gig with the UN, where from a nice office overlooking New York’s East River, I could pontificate to the world on where it was going wrong. In order to do this, I would need to regularly circle the globe in luxury, my progress marked by excessive five-star hotel and restaurant bills while in between sips of Chateau Mouton Rothschild, issuing dire warnings that the end of the world was nigh. The UN is a bloated, self-perpetuating joke in which countries, guilty of the most appalling human rights abuses since civilisation’s first dawn, lecture the west on the treatment of its people. If the billions wasted every year on its bureaucracy and self-indulgence went towards alleviating hunger, the world would be a better place.

    As a child, I was taught by the good Sisters of St Joseph that it was a sin to give in to despair, so I should perhaps look to uplift my spirits and join the clamour to change Australia Day from January 26. I can but imagine the rapturous scenes in the isolated communities of the Northern Territory and Western Australia, where alcoholism, sexual abuse of children and violence are commonplace, were the date to be changed. Would there be dancing in the streets? I think not, but a lot of white people living in the city would sleep that much sounder in their comfortable beds knowing that they had done their bit for their indigenous brothers and sisters. Forty-nine weeks to go? There’s a bar two blocks from where I live. See you there.

  36. bespoke

    Cheers David, When I first came across the story I thought it was some smart ass private school kids.

  37. Tom

    Did I mention Henry Payne is a major revhead? Henry Payne #1.

  38. Tintarella di Luna

    Thank you Tom, much appreciated.

  39. DrBeauGan

    Last two henry paynes are the same, Tom.

  40. DrBeauGan

    There’s a nice bright full moon out. Presumably Stimpy is howling at it somewhere.

  41. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    I woke ridiculously early after bed at midnight, so have fed a delighted Attapuss, who has been tearing around the place ever since but who finally has settled in here next to me on the sofa in my study. I have read back thread on the Cat (it can be delightfully soporific sometimes), had some brekkie, and will now haul back to bed for an hour or so until the hospital rings. Tom, I haven’t had the energy to click over to your toons, a delight that must wait till later. Zulu, glad you enjoyed my piece in Quadrant on ‘The Husband Hunters’. Hay, I will let you know how we go today in terms of waiting in Emergency again.

    We watched some of the first episode of ‘The Last Kingdom’ again last night and my dreams were full of sword fighting, with me being saved by Uhtred my hero, then galloping on horseback, my hair streaming fleet and free, as my large cloak fluttered in the breeze, the beautiful all-encompassing breeze. Thank you, no need to mention Freud. 🙂

  42. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    First series, fourth episode. Gee, I’m tired, can’t get simple things right.
    Back to bed. Have a great morning, Cats and Kittehs.

  43. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Tinta and Dr. BG are up! I see I leave youse all in good company.

  44. Bruce of Newcastle

    The Democrats are amazing.

    Rep. James Clyburn: No border-security negotiations until Trump ends shutdown

    House Majority Whip James Clyburn said Sunday there would be no negotiations on border security until President Trump agrees to end the partial federal shutdown. “I can’t see us keeping federal employees, 800,000 people, out of work while we go back and forth on negotiations,” Mr. Clyburn said

    The House already passed continuing funding legislation. The Democrats are filibustering it in the Senate via cloture. So they are the ones who shut down the government. Trump has very little to do with this shutdown, it is entirely Congress.

    Well I hope your activists in the public service don’t mind getting no pay Mr Clyburn.

  45. DrBeauGan

    Thanks for putting them up, Tom.

  46. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Oh, you should see this. I briefly glanced over the harbor from our living room and was hit in the face by the dawn coming up, a flood of rose glow of the sun rising under clouds. The foreground trees were washed leaf by leaf with an emerald shine, the Federation-style house just down the hill from us looked like something from a fairyland, all orange tiles and turret, its walls a blush of powder pink, claiming attention where usually the eye passes straight over it to the water, today a flat blue-grey slate sedately lining the far cliffs opposite, which themselves were topped on the rill with a gentle row of low clouds, beneath the high grey of the sky. A sudden bright light picked out in a stark white the buildings lining the marine boulevard of Watsons Bay. A solitary and plaintive bird call awoke it all. Then the Currawongs started up, breaking the hold of the liminal daybreak and turned the page over to daylight as the sun dimmed down into a grey dawn, threatening rain.

    The silver lining to an early morning insomnia.

  47. calli

    It was a red sky here too Lizzie. Time for my morning walk, umbrella optional.

    Excellent JLeak. If they were indeed marketing to women they are ones without fathers, husbands, brothers and sons.

    Idiots.

  48. DrBeauGan

    It’s still night here in WA and Venus and Jupiter are only a few degrees apart in the eastern sky and look quite spectacular. Venus is much brighter.

  49. DrBeauGan

    Calli, idiots is right. Maybe the lesson will be learnt that hiring lefty lesbians to do your marketing strategy is not a good idea.

  50. DrBeauGan

    The company directors who live in the loony lefty loser bubble need to discover that only a small fraction of their customers are inside it with them.

  51. DrBeauGan

    The company directors who live in the loony lefty loser bubble need to discover that only a small fraction of their customers are inside it with them.

    The same applies to the clients of the American Psychological Association.

  52. Zatara

    “I can’t see us keeping federal employees, 800,000 people, out of work while we go back and forth on negotiations,” Mr. Clyburn said

    Not sure how you missed it Jim. It’s been going on for a month (less the negotiation part).

    Reality check Jim, nobody believes you will negotiate in good faith if Trump gives up his leverage. Especially Trump.

  53. Bruce of Newcastle

    The company directors who live in the loony lefty loser bubble need to discover that only a small fraction of their customers are inside it with them.

    They’re very slow learners.

    CEOs warn: stop toxic policy drift (Oz, this morning)

    The nation’s chief executives are warning that business conditions in 2019 will be tougher than last year, amid growing fears populist domestic policies risk worsening the economic impact of …*

    So CEOs are moaning about populism? Like populist anger at the crazy SJW stuff inflicted upon shavers? Like the populist anger at high electricity prices and blackouts? Like populist anger at having superannuation taxed incessantly, then ripped off by Labor? Sheesh.

    (* rest is paywalled)

  54. DrBeauGan

    The conjunction of Venus and Jupiter is tomorrow, when they will be only two and a half degrees apart with Venus to the south. Currently they are just over three degrees apart and roughly level. With Antares not far away to the right.

  55. DrBeauGan

    It’s still a beautiful universe. Pity about the human beans.

  56. Bushkid

    Henry Payne 2 does it for me today! Thanks Tom.
    A little genuine levity among the serious political commentary makes a great start to the working day.

  57. DrBeauGan

    The CEO of a company has to be on the right side of three groups of people.
    1) the customers
    2) the employees
    3) the suppliers.

    Get offside with any of them and you’re stuffed. I would have thought this was the first thing you learnt in business school. Apparently not.

  58. bespoke

    DrBeauGan

    How much of this is taking a toll on traditional neutral fundraising like medical research is what I want to know.

  59. Mother Lode

    There seems to be an idea doing the rounds that the Gillette ad was about attracting women.

    Was that really the best they could come up with? Hating men?

    Granted that a lot of women might not have realised that the ad was like a last straw for men, who have for decades been denigrated and ridiculed as clumsy, emotionally backward, brutish, low-IQ and borderline retarded, but did the #MeToo thing seem the likeliest way to win customers?

    Firstly, a lot of women are involved with men who might be inclined to put the ‘men’ case to them after they saw the ad – so the ad would not represent a fight for justice but offending someone dear in their lives.

    But more to the point if they had not made this ad at all, would anyone have missed it? Just make another ad that appeals directly to women on the basis of something other than SJW wankery.

    This ad has pissed off a lot of men and likely attracted far fewer women than Gillette might have hoped.

  60. DrBeauGan

    bespoke
    #2912886, posted on January 21, 2019 at 7:37 am
    DrBeauGan

    How much of this is taking a toll on traditional neutral fundraising like medical research is what I want to know.

    Medical research is another government teat sucker these days. One reason why the quality is, on average, low. There is still good work done, but there is dreadful rubbish funded as well. You have, ultimately, to please a bureaucrat who is completely unable to tell good work from bad. He tends to take a vote among your colleagues. Who may also be incompetent.

  61. DrBeauGan

    This ad has pissed off a lot of men and likely attracted far fewer women than Gillette might have hoped.

    Yes, mother lode, but the women it attracts will be the hairy ones.

  62. John Constantine

    In Australia, a company CEO will only need to be a crony of their shorten looting cartel and nobody else.

    An incoming decade and more of looming godless commos running federal and state and local governments.

    Be a crony of the kleptocracy that hands out concessions to the right sort and crushes enemies is all crony socialism needs to be.

    Big, Safe Cronyism.

    Comrades.

  63. calli

    It’s still a beautiful universe. Pity about the human beans.

    Some of us set our faces to the stars as they dance their round across the heavens. Immense, wonderful, mesmerising in their glory.

    I watched Contact the other night. Forget all the humbug – Foster’s trip through crowded space and her response was worth it.

  64. calli

    They’ll want to keep their hair, Beau.

    No win that I’m seeing.

  65. bespoke

    DrBeauGan

    I get that and its not even directly to do with Gillette or medical research just saying with the with the current trend to social issues and away from stuff the may affect everybody will push charities to seek more government funding or fold. Maybe that’s the plan.

  66. Bruce of Newcastle

    This ad has pissed off a lot of men

    I think another reason why the ad set off a nuke is that men in the US have been sorely inflicted with social justice wankery by ESPN and the NFL the last couple years. Despite the near religious nature of the NFL amongst men the stadiums have been empty and the eyeballs absent. I also suspect many guys furiously gritted their teeth and kept watching because there wasn’t much else available.

    Gillette has the problem, unlike the semi-captive audience the NFL has, that it’s very easy to out and buy a different brand of razor.

  67. Bruce of Newcastle

    This ad has pissed off a lot of men

    I think another reason why the ad set off a nuke is that men in the US have been sorely inflicted with social justice crap by ESPN and the NFL the last couple years. Despite the near religious nature of the NFL amongst men the stadiums have been empty and viewers absent. I also suspect many guys furiously gritted their teeth and kept watching because there wasn’t much else available.

    Gillette has the problem, unlike the semi-captive audience the NFL has, that it’s very easy to go out and buy a different brand of razor.

  68. feelthebern

    Mornin’ Bruce.
    I replied to your post on the new fred.

  69. Tel

    The CEO of a company has to be on the right side of three groups of people.
    1) the customers
    2) the employees
    3) the suppliers.

    4) government regulators.

  70. Bruce of Newcastle

    Bern – The fury is still there though. I’m furious. I’ve watched maybe 10 minutes of NFL this season. The event which got up my nose most was Cris Collinsworth losing it and going TDS in the middle of a game. OFF went the television.

  71. Gilas

    P
    #2912560, posted on January 20, 2019 at 6:59 pm

    Gilas,
    I wondered why you brought up the topic of tolls here earlier today. I am guessing that you include socks in that same category. Why bring up the topic and name those you deem to be such?
    I cannot recall you ever being called a troll or a sock.
    I also cannot remember you commenting at the times of accusations and innuendoes made here.

    Just reading thru and saw this, apologies for the delay.

    P, the OTs have been hogged by long Cat-Troll exchanges, even more so lately (more trolls, I guess..).
    Please read my original post, that sums up my reasons.
    I am curious about the Catterati’s mental mechanisms in their selective attention in dealings with these people. They would well know of the futility of their efforts, as well as the perverse effects this would have on said trolls.
    These (trolls and socks) are mentally damaged individuals who get their rocks off by throwing missiles at reason and facts, getting attention which they wouldn’t otherwise get in their off-line life.
    Are Cats simply concerned for their well-being? Is that why they respond, often angrily, to the non-sensical effluent coming from Montz et al? If not, then why bother? As facts make no difference to these individuals, why bother stating them and trying to change their minds?
    It’s the same problem as with leftards, attempting to reason with them is a waste of time. I long ago gave up trying, preferring instead to escalate differences and take the fight to these indentured, evil imbeciles. This happens in real life, with real consequences for the losers, it’s not wasted online effort, that’s why I don’t partake in such online arguments.

    The Cat is a fantastic, unique source of information, cleverly presented and discussed, almost always novel and informative.
    Scrolling thru troll-wars detracts from the enjoyment, that’s all.

  72. P

    The Cat is a fantastic, unique source of information, cleverly presented and discussed, almost always novel and informative.

    Scrolling thru troll-wars detracts from the enjoyment, that’s all.

    I couldn’t agree more.

  73. JB of Sydney/Shanghai

    Dig Richards was a friend of mine, a top bloke. Went fishing on Sydney Harbour with him a few times, trips which I’ll never forget. He died of cancer in his early forties.

    Struth, you might like this.

  74. johanna

    a flood of rose glow of the sun rising under clouds. The foreground trees were washed leaf by leaf with an emerald shine, the Federation-style house just down the hill from us looked like something from a fairyland, all orange tiles and turret, its walls a blush of powder pink, claiming attention where usually the eye passes straight over it to the water, today a flat blue-grey slate sedately lining the far cliffs opposite, which themselves were topped on the rill with a gentle row of low clouds, beneath the high grey of the sky. A sudden bright light picked out in a stark white the buildings lining the marine boulevard of Watsons Bay. A solitary and plaintive bird call awoke it all. Then the Currawongs started up, breaking the hold of the liminal daybreak and turned the page over to daylight as the sun dimmed down into a grey dawn, threatening rain.

    This is why bad Victorian novels, quite rightly, went out of fashion.

    I mean, ‘The currawongs started up, breaking the hold of the liminal daybreak’ – oh please. This is just badly written romantic slush. Jane (the Divine Jane) Austen would have deplored it, and I don’t think that Gerald Manley Hopkins is quivering in his grave at this new peroxided rival from Vaucluse when it comes to describing nature.

    The currawongs are not motorbikes, or F1 racing cars – talk about a false note.

    I was reading a C P Snow novel this morning – Corridors of Power (the term was his creation) where he described the process of official speechwriting. I am paraphrasing (the book is upstairs) but he said that when a Minister replaced the shrp, clear prose of their civil servants with their own attempts at literary embellishment, the civil servants evinced a wintry smile, and let it pass.

    They, however, were being rewarded for their self restraint, plus the Minister was the boss.

    Fortunately, we here are in neither category.

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