Open Forum: January 19, 2019

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  1. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    November 18 2016, marked 50 years since the Holt government decreed that – for the first time in Australian history – it would be legal for married women to work in the public service.

    Didn’t that work out well….

  2. C.L.

    See it while you still can …

    SMH lead main page story:

    ‘We are at impeachment’: Trump hit by most damaging story of his presidency.

    The Trump administration has been rocked by reports that the President instructed his former lawyer to lie to Congress about his business dealings in Russia.

    Ahahahahahahahaha.

  3. rickw

    Now working back on an Airport, seems that there is a bit more going on with our “peaceful” muslims than most of us have heard about.

    I wonder if we would be in the dark if “right wingers” had done the same?

  4. JC

    I love this presidency. It’s the most entertaining in US history.

  5. mh

    Donald J. Trump
    Donald J. Trump
    @realDonaldTrump
    ·
    2h
    I will be making a major announcement concerning the Humanitarian Crisis on our Southern Border, and the Shutdown, tomorrow afternoon at 3 P.M., live from the
    @WhiteHouse

    This better not be a fizzer.

    Build the wall.

  6. Mark M

    You will have a carbon (sic) tax, you will enjoy it, you will not demonstrate about it unless we, the elites say ok, or we will shoot you in the back of the head.

    Yellow Vest protestor shot in the back of the head by French police

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6593807/Shocking-video-shows-fireman-Yellow-Vest-protestor-shot-head-French-police.html

    Coming to Australia soon.

  7. Roger

    “The idea of any kind of safety after dark is revealing itself to be an illusion, a hangover from a former time, of what it used to be like to live in Australia.”

    Yes, a time when magistrates and judges put criminals away rather than “diverting” them from the justice system into the hands of mostly female social workers.

  8. Tel

    “The idea of any kind of safety after dark is revealing itself to be an illusion, a hangover from a former time, of what it used to be like to live in Australia.”

    Come as a tourist and visit the Australian Open … you can get bashed in broad daylight.

  9. mh

    “The idea of any kind of safety after dark is revealing itself to be an illusion, a hangover from a former time, of what it used to be like to live in Australia.”

    Yes, before the progressives took over all our institutions.

  10. JC

    In the earlier link, Pelosi claims Trump was actually trying to kill her by announcing she wasn’t going to use a military plane.

  11. Peter Castieau

    Black Ball
    #2911512, posted on January 19, 2019 at 12:02 pm
    Reading the work here and the knowledge I get from here surpasses anything else. Have any contributors ever considered running for Parliament?

    At least three that I’m aware of. Tinta, Riccardo and myself.

  12. I love this presidency. It’s the most entertaining in US history.

    I don’t watch TV, movies, Netflix or anything else these days.

    I just tune into the Don Show.

    Most entertaining thing of my lifetime.

  13. Infidel Tiger

    Shimon Prokupecz
    Shimon Prokupecz
    @ShimonPro
    ·
    48m
    As a matter of practice the special counsels office doesn’t give guidance. Doesn’t deny information…doesn’t confirm information. They just don’t talk. They realized the gravity of the buzzfeed story. It was on a level unlike anything in this investigation.

  14. John Constantine

    Language diversity in new south wales reports that a number of entire sydney school administrative regions have a majority of students from a house where english is not the conversational language.

    Many children from this background are functionally multilingual, but many are not.

    Once english ceases to be the common language of australian schoolgrounds,what effect does this have upon the slipping ranking of australian acedemic achievement in international comparisons?.

    Is disposing of english and replacing it with esperanto or balkanisation or babel a tool for control of the prole by our elites?.

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-10-03/hamilton-curse-of-speaking-english/4993940

    Can australia escape lower educational rankings as it mass imports millions of non english speaking kiddies?.

    Or is that the point?.

    Comrades

  15. dover_beach

    “BuzzFeed’s description of specific statements to the Special Counsel’s Office, and characterization of documents and testimony obtained by this office, regarding Michael Cohen’s Congressional testimony are not accurate,” the spokesman said in a statement to BuzzFeed News.

    I asked monty what he thought of this breaking news.

  16. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    From our Helen, cattle queen of the north; too good to leave lingering on the old fred:

    About those cows that are raped for their cheese – talented girls, making cheese, and having to hand it over on threat of rape.
    Anyway the other day I was walking the 7 back to the clearing and came across a bunch of heifers who were fraternizing with the boys on the boundary the paddock next door, just like school kids on the boundary of the school.
    The girls had no occasion to be there, their water was 7 or 8 km away, but here they were, full of fizz and batting their eyelashes at the boys as well as suggestively lifting their tails, such flirting had already attracted some of the boys through 3 barbs to join them. I looked away as, unashamed, they explored further intimacies in full daylight and with an interested and excited audience.
    Call it rape you silly girl? It is just lust.

    It is worth reflecting that, although clipped in the wing by civilization, the call of the wild is in us all. How good is it that on the Cat we have people who farm, fish and mine to keep us close to some important realities? ‘Full of fizz’ describes so well those adolescent yearnings. Helen certainly has a great way with words.

    Lingering on the old fred too is CL’s 11.30pm pic of Hillary receiving some award or gift. Check out the apple-cheeked grandma. She has had way too much filler injected into those chubby chops. She looks like a rabbit.

    And did anyone catch the SBS show on Arthur last nite? We were busy, but I kept getting text messages from friends telling me it was on. Doubtless can catch it on iview repeats. Did it say anything new that I should be aware of? Has it swiped any of my recently published ideas? I expect not as mine was a September publication, but I had sent copies of the article to some key people earlier. At least, from the promo blurb, the SBS piece declares the generally-acknowledge historical truth: that Arthur was not real, so it’s an improvement on previous TV shows still chasing a ‘real’ Arthur.

    hahaha – outlined above: Dr. Genevieve Gunther has ‘heartache’ about climate change and thus has a stress test, which showed it was all imaginary. Self-induced heartburn. Mylanta for you, babe. Or Zantac. How lunatic do you have to be to worry yourself into ill-health over chimeric nonsense?

  17. Infidel Tiger

    Woohoo!

    Kelly O’dwyer to quit.

  18. C.L.

    … Pelosi claims Trump was actually trying to kill her …

    And?

  19. C.L.

    Many many electronic dogs.

  20. Peter Campion

    FMD, Cats… just now, on the truck radio (11:15-ish, natural time), on the way to the hardware shop, TheirABC News Radio ran an interview about the Worshipful TechnoWizard Elon Musk’s “many great achievements” – probably to take attention off the mass Tesla sackings.

    Some Australian pseudo-technonumptie was spruiking SA’s Musk Big Battery.

    First he claimed it was (words to the effect of) “visually-impressive” and like a “vast outdoor computer built in the red desert” to store “clean energy from nearby wind farms”.

    Then, (and fvck me, I nearly run off the road into the trees), this utter twit then claimed it had “saved the grid from collapse on a number of occasions” because “it kicks in and takes over whenever the old east coast generators fail”.

    TheirABC has never been in greater need of Rabzing…!

  21. Peter Campion

    Moderated… hmmm…

    FMD, Cats… just now, on the truck radio (11:15-ish, natural time), on the way to the hardware shop, TheirABC News Radio ran an interview about the Wonderful TechnoWizard Elon Musk’s “many great achievements” – probably to take attention off the mass Tesla sackings.

    Some Australian pseudo-technonumptie was spruiking SA’s Musk Big Battery.

    First he claimed it was (words to the effect of) “visually-impressive” and like a “vast outdoor computer built in the red desert” to store “clean energy from nearby wind farms”.

    Then, (and fvck me, I nearly ran off the road into the trees), this utter twit then claimed it had “saved the grid from collapse on a number of occasions” because “it kicks in and takes over whenever the old east coast generators fail”.

    TheirABC has never been in greater need of Rabzing…!

  22. dover_beach

    What are the odds that monty will appear today?

  23. Roger

    Oxford anthropologist makes stunning discovery:

    Fathers are crucial for their children and society!

    “In all cultures, regardless of their economic model, fathers teach their children the vital skills to survive in their particular environment.”

    Something must be done about this toxic masculinity!

  24. Peter Campion

    I just tried to post a comment about ABC radio and a certain big battery and a bloke who claimed it had “saved the grid from collapse on a number of occasions” because “it kicks in and takes over whenever the old east coast generators fail” but the modbot is offended….

    Is it a renewables modbot?

  25. littledozer

    Woohoo!

    Kelly O’dwyer to quit.

    Made my day

  26. Helen

    Dear MV, It is a hard place for both of you to be, knowing the end is coming. In some respects it frees you to say all the things you meant to say, but I suspect you have already said them, strangely it also brings humour, not always dark, of funny things you have done, both together and apart.

    The love that you two share, where a look can speak volumes, a hand clasp or the stroke of a face means so much is still here. And it will still be here after she is gone. In the meantime, while it is your instinct to suck it all in, this is the time you must let it all out, bathe her in your love, let her feel Mrs MV is truely beloved. You will know how to do this without fussing, with humour and with passion. Just because she is crook doesnt mean there is no desire. Let her know she is the most beautiful gal, woo her, make suggestive remarks to her, show her that if it wasn’t such a public place – well … make her laugh. And cry with her when she wants to. While she is alive, live life with her.

    Please excuse me if I have erred in writing this, but if it was me, and Captain, that is what I would want.

  27. C.L.

    The Australian Daily Mail is run by leftist turds – but you knew that already.
    Here they troll-stoke the violence they’re pretending to dispassionately report:

    ‘They wished I was dead’: Illustrator who was slammed for his racist cartoon of Serena Williams was in fear for his life during the backlash.

    The Australian cartoonist who was on the receiving end of worldwide condemnation for his racist depiction of tennis star Serena Williams said he received death threats after the drawing was published.

    Nice try, dickheads. It wasn’t “racist.” It was an accurate caricature of a fat black woman.

    ‘They traced my wife and children through Facebook. Our son’s a pilot. There were messages that said, “I hope your son’s plane crashes into your house and kills you all”,’ Knight told The Australian.

    ‘They wished I was dead, there were threats, aggressive horrible stuff against the kids, like ‘We hope someone gets you, gets your family’. I was a ‘racist a**hole’. I work in the media, I know what to expect, but my family doesn’t and it hit them really hard.’

    The abuse was so bad, Knight had to organise for security guards to stand around his property for a week.

  28. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Those electronic dogs are a hoot. Throw a wire-threaded blanket over them and destroy their robotics? Or just give them a hearty kick in their electronic innards. Or both. Candy from a baby.

    They are not serious though.

    Also, back thread much talk of MV in hospital again. Give it your best, old warrior.
    And may Lady Luck be with you and your family this time, as before. Best wishes.
    Trust your doctors, they are very good at pulling people through all setbacks these days.

  29. Peter Castieau

    Yep

    @pollietracker
    Follow Follow @pollietracker
    More
    EXCLUSIVE: Kelly O’Dwyer will not recontest Higgins at next election, news corp understands she will announce at a doorstop with the PM at 1.10pm. Read it on @theheraldsun @dailytelegraph @couriermail @newscorpaus now.

    5:31 PM – 18 Jan 2019

  30. Anthony

    Do androids dream of being savaged by electric dogs?

  31. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Nice try, dickheads. It wasn’t “racist.” It was an accurate caricature of a fat black woman.

    I thought it quite a brilliant caricature, but that’s probably just my toxic masculinity showing.

  32. None
    #2911265, posted on January 19, 2019 at 1:10 am

    We’re you warned about the wedding Jupes?

    I very much doubt it, None.
    This is the sort of duplicity the Scissor Sisters indulge in, then wonder why their own relationships go tits up.
    They just wanted an audience in the photos so they could say there were many, many, hymeneals.

  33. C.L.

    The day keeps getting better:

    Thousands of jobs at Tesla are set to be slashed, with chief executive Elon Musk telling employees the electronic cars they produce are “too expensive”.

    Mr Musk says the company needs to expand its customer base to survive and wants to make vehicles for the masses.

  34. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Some beautiful words about love there, Helen. I am not at all sure of MV’s circumstances, nor of his wife’s, but they are words of comfort indeed for them both.

  35. Cassie of Sydney

    “C.L.
    #2911565, posted on January 19, 2019 at 1:11 pm
    The Australian Daily Mail is run by leftist turds – but you knew that already.”

    90% of the Australian media is run by leftist turds – but we already knew that.

  36. Roger

    I thought it quite a brilliant caricature…

    Knight must’ve missed the edict:

    Henceforth, only white people can be caricatured.

  37. woolfe

    These are frightening electronic dogs!

  38. but that’s probably just my toxic masculinity showing.

    Try to keep the zipper up!

  39. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    J’ism isn’t what’itd use ta bee

    Australia’s road are melting as the country enjoys temperatures of up to 80C (170F) which has even saw animals die after struggling to battle the heat. To cool off, hundreds off Aussies hit Bondai Beach as temperature records peaked across New South Wales, South Australia and Victoria.

  40. Cassie of Sydney

    Roger
    #2911574, posted on January 19, 2019 at 1:21 pm
    I thought it quite a brilliant caricature…

    Knight must’ve missed the edict:

    Henceforth, only white people can be caricatured.”

    No no Roger, it is only white males who can be caricatured.

  41. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    No no Roger, it is only white males who can be caricatured.

    Allow me to correct you. “It is only conservative white males who can be caricatured.”

  42. egg_

    Does this mean someone will be game enough to stick their necks out, and define who is actually “indigenous?” – who can, and who can’t be appointed?

    That’s an interesting point, Zulu.

    Too bad it’s not in the constitution, oh wait…

  43. P

    For any who may have missed Memoryvault’s comment this morning re his wife:

    Memoryvault #2911438, posted on January 19, 2019 at 10:19 am
    Mrs MV is in hospital.
    She was diagnosed with a malignant cancerous tumor in her abdomen last September, and has been going downhill and in and out of hospital ever since. The condition is inoperable and terminal.
    She collapsed yesterday and was taken back to hospital. This time I fear she won’t be coming home again.

  44. Elle

    The car is looking good, Arky.
    There was no sound. Don’t listen to the haters. You have a lovely sounding voice. You don’t have a clipped accent like some of our fellow countryman.
    At least it isn’t feral Aussie. 😁
    Go you good thing!

  45. egg_

    “It is only conservative white males who can be caricatured

    Does Tits Shorten get much parodying, these days?

  46. “It is only conservative white males who can be caricatured.”

    Both my cat and my dog have been caricatured.
    But doing that to conservative white males is a bit over the top.

  47. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Does Tits Shorten get much parodying, these days?

    Shorten is a parody – the tragedy is that this particular parody looks like being the next Prime Minister.

  48. Elle

    Lizzie,

    http://catallaxyfiles.com/2019/01/19/open-forum-january-19-2019/comment-page-1/#comment-2911438

    In the link MV explains his wife has cancer and may not be returning home.

    So incredibly sad.

    Kind thoughts are with you, MV. I cried when I read what you wrote. Be beside her. Take care. Xx

  49. egg_

    This is not, strictly speaking, the lending of wives, as it is obligatory—Feeling of sexual jealousy not strongly enough developed amongst these tribes to prevent the occurrence of general intercourse or lending of wives—

    first cuck nations

    Involves pecking order?
    If they beget kids, their kids get access to “superior” genes?
    Sounds like your typical religious demagogue.

  50. Roger

    No no Roger, it is only white males who can be caricatured.

    I don’t know Cassie…Pauline Hanson might beg to differ, and the French press are fairly vicious with Marine Le Pen.

  51. egg_

    Has Tits come out with a Hi-Viz Man Bra?

    M0nster could model it.

  52. MatrixTransform

    Anthony #2911568 –

    Do androids dream of being savaged by electric dogs?

    Nah Mate … these would be the the ones with SheepDog firmware v32.11.06b

  53. egg_

    Australia’s road are melting as the country enjoys temperatures of up to 80C (170F)

    Soyboys won’t need to boil water.

  54. Bruce of Newcastle

    And did anyone catch the SBS show on Arthur last nite? We were busy, but I kept getting text messages from friends telling me it was on. Doubtless can catch it on iview repeats. Did it say anything new that I should be aware of?

    Lizzie – It’s well worth watching. Despite being the BBC it doesn’t do any SJW. Emphasis is on scientific archaeology, which is good.

  55. JMH

    So O’Dwyer is bailing, the useless bint. Too gutless to face electoral defeat.

  56. Roger

    Among the “all time records” broken this week:

    Tarcoola, hottest day ever 49.0 c.

    You have to go digging around the BOM records for the previous high of…wait for it:

    48.9 c on 27 December, 1949.

    But still short of the all-Australian record, 50.7c at Oodnadatta on 2 January, 1960.

  57. zyconoclast

    Ex-Slater and Gordon boss defends new role as he fights legal action

    The former chief of beleaguered legal giant Slater & Gordon has defended his new role on the company’s payroll even as he and other directors face legal claims they omitted details of the company’s allegedly botched 2015 accounts during an external audit.

    Andrew Grech left Slater & Gordon in 2017 after the group completed its life-saving restructure caused by the disastrous acquisition of the professional services arm of UK group Quindell.

    Mr Grech confirmed he became a director and half owner of Equal Access Funding (EAF), a company that has had a long relationship with Slater & Gordon within a few months of stepping down from the Slater & Gordon board in December 2017.

    EAF provides litigation funding services to the no-win, no-fee law firm so that cases can be funded ahead of settlements being paid.

  58. P

    BoN,
    Thanks for the tip yesterday on the SBS ‘Arthur’ last night. It was worth watching.

  59. MV:
    Hang in there, mate. It’s a bastard of a journey, but if you can keep your sense of humour, it’s much less of a burden.

  60. egg_

    So O’Dwyer is bailing, the useless bint. Too gutless to face electoral defeat.

    But, but… she’s a high profile wymminses – da Equalidy!

  61. egg_

    You have to go digging around the BOM records for the previous high of…

    Busted @rse Creek reached 51C once?

  62. Trouble.
    My sex robot has joined the CFMEU and wants to work a 4 day week 10am to 2pm with a two hour lunch.

  63. stackja

    2GB reports someone jumped off Coogee cliff

    https://twitter.com/Lifesaverhelo

    Westpac Life Saver Rescue Helicopters

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    UPDATE: Rescue Crew Officer and @RandwickCouncil lifeguards are stabilising a female, suffering spinal and leg injuries. @NSWAmbulance helicopter arriving with a medical team for transport to hospital

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    UPDATE: Person has been located on rocks, appears to be seriously injured. Lifesaver 21 has winched Rescue Crew Officer onto rock ledge to commence treatment. Location on south side of Coogee – different to original reports.

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    #SEARCH: #Lifesaver21 is heading to Dolphin Point, #Coogee. Reports of a person jumping off a cliff, into the water there and can no longer be found. More to come.

  64. Macbeth

    Deepest heartfelt sympathy MV.

  65. Roger

    I trust Mrs MV is in good care, MV, and in God’s care.

    Meantime, hang in there and do talk to her even if she appears unconscious.

    Hearing is the last sense to go.

  66. stackja

    Westpac Life Saver Rescue Helicopters

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    48s49 seconds ago
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    FINAL: @NSWAmbulance helicopter has winched doctor, paramedic onto rock ledge to treat female patient with serious injuries after falling from a cliff top – currently being stabilised by #Lifesaver21 crew & @RandwickCouncil lifeguards. Patient will be flown to hospital shortly.

  67. C.L.

    Catching up with the thread …

    Kelly O’Dwyer will not recontest Higgins at next election …
    2GB reports someone jumped off Coogee cliff

  68. Peter Campion

    Concurry locals get mighty annoyed about the BoM stealing their 53.1C temp record, which is why their famous road sign was still there last time I went through.

  69. Oh come on

    This is the final paragraph of ABC News’s article on the rape and murder of Aiia Maasarwe:

    It’s devastating that this young woman coming home from a gig wasn’t able to make that journey,” said Tegan Leeder, one of organisers of community movement Slutwalk Melbourne.

    W. T. F.

    I’m sure the family of the victim will appreciate Slutwalk Melbourne’s words of comfort.

    Tegan Leeder and her “community movement” (ie. coven of extremist feminists) think the likes of Codey Herrmann ought to be able to enjoy a smorgasbord rather than a set meal. And her brain fart concludes the ABC’s article. Stay classy, aunty.

  70. C.L.

    You’d have to suspect the Cloncurry record (1889) may not have been accurately measured.
    Probably a thermometer on the dunny door of the local post office.

  71. C.L.

    Mmyes, thanks ABC for associating this wonderful young Israeli lady with Slutwalk.
    Absolute slimeballs.

  72. C.L.

    Mmyes, thanks ABC for associating this wonderful young Israeli lady with Slutwalk.
    Absolute scum.

  73. Filbert

    The thermometer was actually in the Cloncurry Pub’s coldroom.

  74. Oh come on

    They truly are that oblivious.

  75. Oh come on

    Slutwalk is to women’s safety as Planned Parenthood is to the wellbeing of the unborn.

  76. cohenite

    Peter Campion

    #2911617, posted on January 19, 2019 at 2:30 pm

    Concurry locals get mighty annoyed about the BoM stealing their 53.1C temp record, which is why their famous road sign was still there last time I went through.

    Correct. The 2002 ABS Yearbook has this information:

    New South Wales
    Wilcannia
    50.0

    11.1.1939

    Victoria
    Swan Hill
    49.4

    18.1.1906

    Queensland
    Cloncurry(a)
    53.1

    16.1.1889

    South Australia
    Oodnadatta
    50.7

    2.1.1960

    Western Australia
    Mardie
    50.5

    20.2.1998

    Tasmania
    Bushy Park
    40.8

    26.12.1945

    Hobart
    40.8

    4.1.1976

    Northern Territory
    Finke
    48.3

    2.1.1960

    Australian Capital Territory
    Canberra (Acton)

    The BoM has been methodically altering past warm temps. They are doing 3 things:

    1 Cooling past temps
    2 Removing all temps prior to 1910 which removes the Centennial drought
    3 Removing the warmest sites

  77. Oh come on

    Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s office on Friday issued an extraordinary statement disputing a bombshell news report that claimed President Trump directed Michael Cohen to lie about the timing of discussions over a proposed Trump Tower project in Moscow.

    “BuzzFeed’s description of specific statements to the Special Counsel’s Office, and characterization of documents and testimony obtained by this office, regarding Michael Cohen’s Congressional testimony are not accurate,” Peter Carr, a spokesman for Mueller’s office, said.

    LOL ya still hanging in there, m0nts?

    (from the lead over at Drudge)

  78. Peter Campion

    C.L., I once got the Cloncurry Visitor Centre historian on the phone and quizzed her extensively. She was a descendant of the bloke that was the Post Master at the time of the record temperature. She swears he was meticulous and even had an improvised Stevenson screen, long before they were issued.

    When I’d earlier quizzed the BoM about it, they claimed the thermometer was hung on a verandah that got summer sun. I put that to the historian and she flatly denied it was so. She said her forebear would have been insulted that anyone in the future would think him so incompetent in his duties.

    I asked BoM for a copy of the original handwritten record and was refused. I FOIed it and was refused. A mate who is a journo asked for it and received it – with the rider that he couldn’t share it!

    The historian thought she had a copy of the original handwritten records, but when she looked she found the temperature records had disappeared – much to her horror – and only the rainfall records remained.

    They’re very thorough at the BoM MiniTru…

  79. Peter Campion

    Cohenite, I’ve been buying up old encyclop3dia sets off Gumtree because they’re like little time capsules of the truth as it was before memory-holes were invented.

  80. cohenite

    Good on you Peter; here’s the relevant link to the 2002 ABS Yearbook which I believe is the last official mention of the Cloncurry record.

  81. Oh come on

    I wrote this yesterday:

    Some media report emerges that foretells the imminent demise of the Trump Presidency; m0nty loses his shit here in anticipation; the media report turns out to be lies, erroneous, distorted, a vast exaggeration, a combo of all of the above

    That was fast!

  82. JC

    There’s something really grotesque about people leaving flowers where this girl died.

  83. JC

    Yea, fatboy’s monstering a bag of donuts out of grief.

    The one thing we now know to be 100% true since the beginning of the Trump era. Any story that contains the words “sources say”, is fakenews.

  84. Oh come on

    I must say I was skeptical when I saw the original claim was published in BuzzFeed.

  85. Mother Lode

    I asked BoM for a copy of the original handwritten record and was refused. I FOIed it and was refused

    How weird is it that they can do that? Do they think it has strategic or national security significance?

    Did your mate tell you what the original doc said at least?

  86. Oh come on

    m0nty does have an odd habit of clinging to long-refuted claims re. the Mueller investigation, such as Cohen being in Prague. So even though Mueller’s team has categorically denied BuzzFeed’s report, m0nty will probably still continue to believe it’s true.

  87. Mother Lode

    I expect that Meuller’s report, when it finally comes out, will make include numerous matters where it claims it was unable to fully investigate or where evidence is ambiguous etc. Just enough for those poor zebras who need Wussian Collusion to be true to hang on to.

  88. Peter Campion

    Did your mate tell you what the original doc said at least?

    As one of Australia’s last ethical journalists he couldn’t do that, Motherlode.

    So I waited until it was his shout and I got into his file while he was at the bar and took a photo of the scan he’d been sent – as you do.

    Transcribing from that image, here’s January, 1889, T-max – 97, 102, 103, 89, 96, 102, 109, 110, 112, 119, 109, 110 112, 116, 118, 116, 127, 121, 115, 109, 112, 118, 114, 112, 104, 112, 99, 104, 104, 94, 104.

    Can you imagine how the frightbats would be if we got a warm spell like that again?

  89. Peter Campion

    Moderated – ah, I see it now – a word fragment…

    Did your mate tell you what the original doc said at least?

    As one of Australia’s last ethical journalists he couldn’t do that, Motherlode.

    So I waited until it was his shout and I got into his file while he was at the bar and took a photo of the scan he’d been sent – as you do.

    Transcribing from that image, here’s January, 1889, T-max – 97, 102, 103, 89, 96, 102, 109, 110, 112, 119, 109, 110 112, 116, 118, 116, 127, 121, 115, 109, 112, 118, 114, 112, 104, 112, 99, 104, 104, 94, 104.

    Can you imagine how the frightbats would be if we got a warm period like that again?

  90. JC

    I reckon Mark Levin is right about the Mueller team disavowing the story. They waited until the evening to deny. That’s well after the damaging bullshit had run its course in an effort to make Trump look bad. They waited and denied it because holding on would have meant the current AG would have run a leak investigation inside the mueller’s office. What would that have unearthed? They’re Canute.

  91. Peter Campion

    There’s something odd, Cohenite…

    The ABS link you provided has the record temperature on the 16th of January, as does the road sign.

    But the handwritten record clearly shows the 127F was on the 17th….

  92. bespoke

    JC
    #2911635, posted on January 19, 2019 at 3:00 pm
    There’s something really grotesque about people leaving flowers where this girl died.

    If business remove those monuments it would be a PR nightmare. Iv seen a few that are treated like sacred sites.

  93. Apologies MV – I thought it was you who was crook.

  94. Mother Lode

    m0nty does have an odd habit of clinging to long-refuted claims re. the Mueller investigation, such as Cohen being in Prague.

    In all fairness Monty knows that he need only wait until the MSM (similarly rebutted) tweaks or modifies the original claim until it has to be discredited again. And they do.

    I often think Monty is not a troll in the normal sense – he doesn’t really show the malice, as if what is thrown Does not really personal hits. A bit like Hammy.

    JC would know the truth of it.

    Now compare this to the sock drawer menagerie that is Grloogrlarrly who is clearly a damaged, torturted soul trapped alone in a nightmarish dome world of his own making.

  95. Peter Campion

    Upthread I noted I was refused the copy of the handwritten record by the BoM, but that oversimplifies it a bit.

    BoM sent a disclaimer to sign – embedded in an email reply to a set of questions – before they’d consider releasing the copy of the original record. (I’ll see if I can copy it here – I may have to cripple the links.)

    I dutifully sent the disclaimer, and then a few reminders, but I never did get the copy of the record. It was refused by bureaucratic attrition rather than overt, contestable decision.

    Here’s their email to me…

    Dear Peter,

    Please find responses to your queries below. You can also find much of this information here ww.bom.gov.au/jshess/docs/1997/trewin.pdf

    1. Please may I have a scan or photocopy of the original handwritten daily maximum temperature data recordings for Cloncurry McIlwraith St Station number 029008 for the month of January 1889.

    The Bureau retains a scanned copy of the station file for the Cloncurry McIlwraith weather station, which includes a transcript of observations from January 1889.
    We can provide you with a scanned copy of this transcript, but before we do please read the attached one page Express Licence Agreement including the Licence Schedule below to ensure you agree with the terms of use of this information.
    In order for us to grant permission, please respond to this email with the following text:
    “I, , as authorised representative of , accept the terms of the Bureau of Meteorology Express Licence Agreement for the purpose set out in the Licence Schedule.”
    Your acceptance in this manner to the Bureau of Meteorology constitutes immediate acceptance of the terms of the attached Express Licence Agreement (including the Licence Schedule below) by the User without variation. We will send the transcript through once you have accepted the terms of use.

    Licence Schedule
    1. The User is: Peter Campion
    2. Purpose: The Material supplied will be used for personal use only.
    3. Additional Licence Restrictions: The User may not supply the Material to third parties.
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    5. Fees: Not applicable.

    2. What exactly was the pre-Stevenson screen data measurement system in use in Cloncurry in January 1889 Was it equivalent to the February 1889 system and if so to what extent Please describe the old system and include the historical sketch of its layout.

    The intention when the Queensland network was set up was to use Stevenson screens throughout, but the authorities were unable to obtain enough screens in time. According to historic reports from the Queensland Government meteorologist, “third-class” stations – of which Cloncurry was one – were advised to use improvised screens. Documents suggested a beer crate or similar, but it may have simply been under a veranda or on a south-facing wall.

    More information can be found here ww.bom.gov.au/jshess/docs/1997/trewin.pdf

    3. Once a Stevenson screen was installed in Cloncurry, for how long were parallel records kept with the old instruments and the new Stevenson-screen enclosed instruments
    P

    arallel measurements were not made after the Stevenson screen was installed. More information can be found in the paper linked to above.

    4. The Telegraph newspaper story on 18/01/1889 contemporaneously reports that the BoMs predecessor organisation confirmed the Cloncurry temperature was correctly taken, as per the procedures of the day. Please may I have a copy of the record of that exchange with the newspaper

    The Bureau does not hold a copy of this correspondence. We suggest contacting National Archives Australia.

    Regards,

    Climate Data Services
    Bureau of Meteorology
    ww.bom.gov.au/climate/data-services

  96. calli

    It was a simple request, Peter.

    A suspicious mind like mine might think they had something to hide. From their employer, no less.

    Rabz ‘em.

  97. Peter Campion

    This was the attachment to the BoM email…

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  98. Mitch M.

    Behave by Robert Sapolsky, PhD (Enhanced audio)

    Sapolsky will win a Nobel. Many of his lectures are available. He has the rare gift of synthesising data across a range of disciplines to deepen our understanding of behavior. No wonder he was a Genius Fellowship at the age of 30 years.

  99. calli

    Now I have the shits, and that’s really hard to do.

    How come a previous contributor (and Liberty Quote contributor) has had their name Spaminated?

  100. Empire 5:5

    After suffering more brain freezes, she struggled mightily to make her case for reopening the government.

    She then weirdly suggested “an electronic dog” as a solution to securing the border, which she argued would be more effective than a physical barrier.

    https://ilovemyfreedom.org/watch-pelosi-slurs-words-while-attacking-wall-suggests-electronic-dog-to-protect-border/?utm_source=star&utm_medium=twitter

    Nancy should ask Gina for a fleet of these:

    https://www.newsweek.com/cia-mkultra-documents-files-remote-control-dogs-1250519

  101. cohenite

    Transcribing from that image, here’s January, 1889, T-max – 97, 102, 103, 89, 96, 102, 109, 110, 112, 119, 109, 110 112, 116, 118, 116, 127, 121, 115, 109, 112, 118, 114, 112, 104, 112, 99, 104, 104, 94, 104.

    So, that’s Cloncurry

  102. JC

    Yep, the onion. It’s got better of late.

    Expressing disbelief at her romantic partner’s dramatic behavioral shift, local woman Emily Kittleson, 30, told reporters Friday that she had not expected her boyfriend’s attempts to recognize and curtail toxic masculinity would eventually turn him into a “weepy little pansy.” “Christ, I know the dope is trying to be conscious of the effects of his words and actions and to be more open and honest with his emotions, but there’s got to be a limit,” said Kittleson of her boyfriend Shane Magnusen, 31, whose efforts to reject toxic masculinity have begun to irritate her as she claims he has evolved into “a fragile fucking flower about everything” in recent weeks. “Of course I’m happy for social progress and all, but this ineffectual shit is not what I signed up for. Instead of suppressing his emotions about major issues in his life, he cries at sad commercials. Our fights used to be him screaming at me for a few

  103. Peter Campion

    So, that’s Cloncurry

    It is.

    And here’s the Trove link to the Telegraph of 18/01/1889.

  104. Empire 5:5

    Licence Schedule
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    3. Additional Licence Restrictions: The User may not supply the Material to third parties.
    4. The Required Acknowledgement is: This material is sourced from the Bureau of Meteorology.
    5. Fees: Not applicable.

    You requested public data, Peter. How can BoM possibly have any legal basis for applying restrictions on use?

    Opportunity for asymmetric lawfare?

  105. cohenite

    Peter Campion

    #2911650, posted on January 19, 2019 at 3:31 pm

    There’s something odd, Cohenite…

    The ABS link you provided has the record temperature on the 16th of January, as does the road sign.

    But the handwritten record clearly shows the 127F was on the 17th….

    Sorry, I missed that comment. Taken on the 16th recorded on the 17th; no that doesn’t make sense. Mistake by the ABS?

  106. John Constantine

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/jan/18/government-shutdown-republicans-trump-truth

    Their granuard hates small government tories because they win when the government is shut down.

  107. Peter Campion

    Mistake by the ABS?

    Possible… I’ll have to check my old encyclop3dias to see what date they have.

  108. cohenite

    So, that’s Cloncurry

    It is.

    And here’s the Trove link to the Telegraph of 18/01/1889.

    Which shows the BoM did its due diligence at the time. So, it seems the ABS listing the 16th is where the error lies. But since the BoM did check this one and that the surrounding areas were also into the 120’s it seems it’s dismissal by the BoM is at least questionable.

    Good work Peter. I’m going to pass this on to the chat group I’m in.

  109. Kurtis Patterson hits a century in each innings against the Sri Lankans.
    Not in the test squad against Sri Lanka.
    Another unsuitable suitor?

  110. John Constantine

    Nats announce the founder of https://www.zoesupport.com.au/ will replace the gormless and feckless friend of the united nations, their andrew broad, as candidate for the seat of Mallee.

    Their abc stalinist independent campaign mightn’t get as much traction in Mallee now.

    Comrades.

  111. lotocoti

    She then weirdly suggested “an electronic dog” as a solution to securing the border, which she argued would be more effective than a physical barrier.

    There’s nothing weird about Rat Things.

  112. Entropy

    It might not be a good idea for me to have a look, but you could always access SILO met data (data point and interpolated) from the QG longpaddock website. It goes back to 1889 I believe.

  113. Leigh Lowe

    MSM reporting that Codey Nulla-Nulla was an “aspiring rapper”.
    I think there is only one “p” in that word.
    However, whilst we are on the subject of Hunchback Dan’s propensity to assign collective responsibility for “toxicity”, has anyone put Codey’s favourite bitch-slapping rap tunes under scrutiny?

  114. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Man charged with murder of student Aiia Maasarwe

    An hour ago January 19, 2019

    A man has been charged over the rape and murder of international student Aiia Maasarwe in Melbourne.

    Codey Herrmann, 20, of Greensborough, has briefly faced Melbourne Magistrates Court.

    Ms Maasarwe, 21, got off a route 86 tram in Bundoora only moments before she was attacked last Tuesday night. Her body was found near a shopping centre on Main Drive near Plenty Road about 7am on Wednesday.

    Herrmann is alleged to have assaulted and killed her earlier that morning at the same location, the court was told on Saturday.

    He appeared wearing a green t-shirt and black pants, his head hung as he sat in the dock and standing only to hear the charges against him.

    Herrmann made no application for bail and has been remanded in custody to appear in the same court on Monday.

    From the Oz.

  115. Entropy

    How do you know Mrs Webster isn’t also a “gormless and feckless friend of the United Nations” like abroad, John?
    People that run those types of organisations, even if they don’t start out that way, eventually get seduced into government largess dependency.

  116. cohenite

    Mark Latham reports on the Elvis festival in Parkes and meets some dinky di Australia:

    https://www.spectator.com.au/2019/01/elvis-diary/

  117. C.L.

    I’m glad Kelly O’Dwyer has woken up; it’s a shame other female MPs don’t do the same.

    “The decisive reasons are very personal,” Ms O’Dwyer said at a press conference with Prime Minister Scott Morrison today.

    “My two smart and loving children, Olivia and Edward … will reach primary school age during the next parliament.

    “In compiling photo books and in looking at all those special moments over the Christmas period I have seen how many of them I have missed.

    “If my husband and I want to give ourselves the opportunity, the best opportunity to have a third child, we need to be very realistic,” she said, adding she would soon turn 42.

  118. Eyrie

    The BoM data was paid for by our taxes. We have a right to it. These scum need to be fired and the BoM shut down. Devious, lying scum. Glad I don’t work there anymore.

  119. C.L.

    Mark Latham reports on the Elvis festival in Parkes and meets some dinky di Australia:

    https://www.spectator.com.au/2019/01/elvis-diary/

    Elvis was a stunning-looking man.
    It’s such a shame he was weak as regards the Colonel and those loathsome tics known as the ‘Memphis Mafia.’ Keith Richards has said he was a boyhood admirer of The King but lost interest as an adult when he learned “he was not his own man.” He just couldn’t break free – or didn’t want to.

  120. Peter Campion

    It might not be a good idea for me to have a look, but you could always access SILO met data (data point and interpolated) from the QG longpaddock website. It goes back to 1889 I believe.

    Thanks, Entropy.

  121. calli

    That was the gist of my comment (in moderation) Eyrie.

  122. Tel

    Cohenite, I’ve been buying up old encyclop3dia sets off Gumtree because they’re like little time capsules of the truth as it was before memory-holes were invented.

    One of the advantaged of blockchain is that a piece removed from the chain is very obvious, and inventing a bogus chunk to drop into that chain is extremely difficult.

  123. mh

    Dems Who Pushed BuzzFeed Report Silent After Special Counsel Statement

    Adam Schiff

    @RepAdamSchiff
    The allegation that the President of the United States may have suborned perjury before our committee in an effort to curtail the investigation and cover up his business dealings with Russia is among the most serious to date. We will do what’s necessary to find out if it’s true.

    Ted Lieu

    @tedlieu
    Another bombshell story. @realDonaldTrump directed Michael Cohen to lie to Congress about negotiations to build a Trump Tower in Moscow.
    THIS IS OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE.

    Rep. Eric Swalwell

    @RepSwalwell
    MORE evidence of collusion. If @realDonaldTrump directed his lawyer to lie, it was to conceal the underlying allegation from being exposed as true. #TheyColluded

    (((Rep. Nadler)))

    @RepJerryNadler
    We know that the President has engaged in a long pattern of obstruction. Directing a subordinate to lie to Congress is a federal crime. The @HouseJudiciary Committee’s job is to get to the bottom of it, and we will do that work.

    https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/01/18/dems-who-pushed-buzzfeed-report-silent-after-special-counsel-statement/

  124. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Hearing is the last sense to go.

    I whispered to my mother when she was in extremis, unable to respond any more to my hand, seemingly unconscious but I think somehow still sentient, that if she wanted to go now ‘between the stones’ and meet my Nana ‘on the other side’ (for she believed these things most strongly, just as Nana had, and the Welsh tribes long before them) then she could leave now and I would see her again on that far side when I came over too. In her terms, she ‘passed over’ soon after that.

    I hope she heard me.

    My Nana was a traditional Welsh village wise woman, who used to birth children, heal illnesses and lay out the dead. She birthed me. She told me that you had to put pennies on the eyes of the dead, to keep them closed. Perhaps even a remnant old belief of leaving a coin for the ferryman.

    MV – take to heart the words of our wise woman Helen, for Mrs. MV will be with you forever. Tell her that. You must now lighten her spirits and make her laugh like a young girl. In between tears. She probably has more fears for you than for herself. Reassure her that you will somehow manage. Let us help you here to do just that. Drop in when you can.

    We are all with you here, old warrior and late night imbiber.

  125. Elle

    Re Elvis; he is the most gorgeous, handsome, sexy, hot, charismatic man that has ever lived. No one since him has matched all of the above. I was only 10 when he died, but he was my teenage crush and still is. I would have literally vainted if I had ever seen him in person. The link below – swoon!

    Loved him fat or slim. Mreow!

  126. Boambee John

    I am shocked. There has been no sign of our pet left fascist m0nty here today to apologise for misleading us about the Buzzfeed “Fake News” and to give us his assessment of the implications if Bruce Ohr has rolled oved.

    Who will be indicted first? Brennan, Comey, McCabe, Rosenstein, Mueller? So many possibilities.

  127. OldOzzie

    The Epoch Times

    Transcripts of Former Top FBI Lawyer Detail Pervasive Abnormalities in Trump Probe

    Former top FBI attorney James Baker admitted to House lawmakers in October last year that the investigation into alleged collusion between the Trump 2016 presidential campaign and Russia was riddled with abnormalities.

    Confronted with a damning summary of abnormalities, bias, and omissions, which transpired during the investigation, Baker told Congress that the investigation indeed was “highly unusual.”

    “I had a jaundiced eye about everything, yes. I had skepticism about all this stuff. I was concerned about all of this. This whole situation was horrible, and it was novel and we were trying to figure out what to do, and it was highly unusual,” Baker told lawmakers.

  128. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    That was the gist of my comment (in moderation) Eyrie.

    There is some ultra-sensitive legal protection in place in the Spaminator, Calli.
    I have had comments about Hairy’s health knocked out when they were quite innocuous, but did mention the value of certain new treatments over older ones. Released much later, after approval by a human.

    Shrug and sigh.

  129. Oh come on

    I reckon Mark Levin is right about the Mueller team disavowing the story. They waited until the evening to deny.

    It’s a variant of the tried and tested good old-fashioned Friday night document dump. The MSM has an excuse to bury the story.

  130. Knuckle Dragger

    So it appears Cody Whatsisname was on bail when he bludgeoned the poor Arab-Israeli girl to death.

    This situation will continue to occur because the courts regularly believe anything that is told to them by defence counsel, without any attempt to fact check the information they are fed.

    There are many reasons for refusing bail – two of which are alcoholism and having no fixed place of abode. This includes squats. When combined, no reasonable magistrate should admit that person to bail, even if they undertake to commit to a rehab program because you can simply walk out of them and never come back.

    Waaaay back in the day I had cause to finch a violent burgling heroin addict. Fortunately I was in court for the bail hearing, and I told the prosecutor he had no fixed place of abode, which he didn’t.

    The prosecutor had a word with defence who in turn had a word to the crook. Five minutes later the defence guy came up to me with a post it note on which was written an address. I asked him what sort of address it was, knowing full well what it was. The defence guy said it was a three bedroom house owned by his uncl who would keep him on the straight and narrow.

    The address was 125 Brunswick Street in Fitzroy. Melburnians will know it as a 20 story housing commission block of flats chocked to the rafters with heroin dealers and a magnet for the scum of the State.

    It’s one of the places where you have to look up before going into the front entrance because the residents are predilected to drop house bricks and car batteries on you.

    So I duly related this to the prosecutor, who had another word to the defence bloke. The bail application was dropped and he stayed in the bin where he belonged.

    The take away point is if the judiciary adjourned some of these matters to ascertain the truth of what they’re being told, some people including the Arab-Israeli girl, and Masa the 17 year old schoolgirl killed by that maggot Price would still be alive today.

  131. bespoke

    Mitch M.
    #2911664, posted on January 19, 2019 at 3:50 pm

    Only struggled through to the Q&A. First thought ‘duct tape can do anything’ but It did give more context to the vid posted earlier about the lead up to The charge of the light brigade.

  132. Knuckle Dragger

    Rant over. The pub is singing its siren song. Back later.

  133. Oh come on

    The ABC continues to pretend this is an issue of men murdering women rather than the Victorian criminal justice system.

  134. Tintarella di Luna

    Frank Furedi’s article in the Australia is a sobering one on the poisoning of the male identity:
    From misbehaving boys to violent men: the poisoning of male identity

    The American Psychology Association knows how to gain global attention. It is a hugely influential institution whose views have a major impact on how problems of mental health and behaviour are regarded by medical practitioners, educators and policymakers. Which is why guidelines issued last week by the APA for mental health professionals working with men and boys is likely to boost the crusade against masculine identity.

    The APA’s guidelines don’t mince words. They warn that masculinity is not only a marker for illness but also a threat to society. Its verdict is that “traditional masculinity is psychologically harmful”. The APA defines traditional masculinity as “marked by stoicism, competitiveness, dominance and aggression”. In this negative framing of masculinity, the ancient virtues of stoicism, courage and risk-taking are casually coupled with “dominance and aggression”.

    The APA’s guidelines are principally targeted at boys and young men. They warn that the bad habits associated with masculinity, such as “suppressing emotions and masking distress, often start early in life”. The APA contends that traditional masculinity is “psychologically harmful and that socialising boys to suppress their emo­tions causes damage that echoes both inwardly and outwardly”.

    The medicalisation of masculine behaviour by the APA is designed to devalue boyishness and alter the meaning of what it means to be a boy.

    That the guidelines are a political statement masquerading as a scientifically informed document is highlighted by its stated ambition of changing the world through changing men. One of the authors of the guidelines, Ryon McDermott, declares that if “we can change men” then “we can change the world”. From this standpoint, masculinity serves as the moral equivalent of a disease that must be eradicated.

    The APA’s opinion reflects the wider cultural project of marginalising masculinity and altering the identity of boys and men. Our era, which constantly celebrates people’s identities, finds it difficult to endow the identity of the male with positive qualities.

    On the contrary, masculinity has turned into what sociologist Erving Goffman, in his classic study Stigma, has characterised as a “spoiled identity”. As a result of a constant barrage of criticism, masculinity has become delegitimated and often is portrayed as a marker for pathological behaviour.

    A significant section of the psychological community has become critical of masculinity because of its dislike for men’s supposed aspiration for control and autonomy.

    Since the 1990s, exposing the emotional illiteracy of men has become a growth industry. There are thousands of publications that decry the failure of men to acknowledge their vulnerability and refusal to seek help. Back in the 90s, critics of masculinity applied the terms high masculinity and hegemonic masculinity to those who refused to embrace the advice of psychologists. Today, the term toxic masculinity is deployed to disparage stoic men drawn towards autonomous behaviour and self-control.

    Criticism of the “male desire for control” represents an attitude towards emotional life in general. That’s why, ultimately, the APA’s hostility to masculine values is not simply about men. Women who display “masculine” characteristics such as self-control, rationality and strong ambition also have come under intense suspicion.

    In contrast, men who act like women are clearly preferred to women who act like men. According to the emotionally correct hierarchy of virtuous behaviour, feminine women come out on top. Feminine men beat masculine women for second place. And, of course, masculine men come last.

    The weaponisation of the term toxic masculinity is one of the most significant accomplishments of the culture war that has raged in the US in recent years.

    Even advertisers have embraced the crusade against so-called toxic masculinity. Gillette’s widely publicised television ad communicates the APA’s message in a dramatic form. The ad directs the viewer’s anger at scenes of men behaving appallingly towards women. As these scenes unfold, the chant “boys will be boys” can be heard in the background. The voiceover reinforces the message of male pathology by declaring “Bullying, the Me Too movement against sexual harassment, toxic masculinity — is this the best a man can get?”

    Gillette’s cautionary tale about men is widely echoed in US institutions of education. Many universities have launched anti-toxic masculine initiatives designed to resocialise male under­graduates. The term has become an all-purpose weapon wielded against male targets. Donald Trump frequently is presented as the personification of toxic masculinity.

    However, since the term implicitly equates masculinity with toxicity, virtually any assertive and self-confident boy or young man can become a recipient of this label.

    The term toxic masculinity, like any other cultural stereotype, has no scientific value. But that has not stopped the Australian Psychological Society from stating that although the term is sociocultural and not medical, it is useful for exploring “poisonous” behaviours. Actually, as the APS’s use of the word poisonous indicates, it is not merely a sociocultural but a moral term of abuse. It is unlikely the APS would ever dream of linking the term toxic to femininity.

    The term toxic masculinity is often used to draw attention to different forms of destructive and damaging behaviour such as sexual aggression, violence, homophobia and violent behaviour. No doubt these are malign and dangerous types of behaviour.

    However, the representation of such negative traits as the normal feature of masculinity is motivated by the imperative of propaganda rather than a dispassionate view of human relations. Unfortunately, many policymakers have embraced this prejudice and are promoting campaigns against the moral authority of masculinity.

    The Australian government’s recent campaign against domestic violence offers a textbook example of the casual manner with which a conceptual leap from violence to boyishness is made. Like the Gillette ad, the target of this campaign is to explicitly focus on the “boys being boys” attitude in society.

    As someone who still remembers his mother’s reactions to her son’s mistakes and achievements with statements such as “Boys will be boys”, I find a campaign directed against her attitude deeply disturbing. From my mother’s standpoint, “being a boy” meant being a little bit rough, assertive, single-minded and ambitious.

    The government crusade against this attitude signals the conviction that boys who misbehave in school grow up to be abusers of women.

    A widely distributed video titled Stop It at the Start depicts a father sitting in his car by the school gate, incredulous that his son received a detention for “flicking up a girl’s skirt”. In the back seat, the offender’s young brother pipes up and asks why the teacher does not understand that it’s “just boys being boys”. Sitting next to him is his little sister, who casually remarks, “Yeah, I mean, I’ve already accepted that as I grow up I’ll probably be harassed and even abused.”

    The sight of a young girl fatalistically acknowledging that her life will be plagued by little male monsters such as those sitting in the car is likely to instil any responsible individual with a sense of unease if not horror.

    Fortunately, this fantasy display of anti-boy animus bears little rela­tionship to reality. The project of targeting children “at the start” will do nothing to curb anti-social adult behaviour. Its main outcome is to confuse children, especially boys, and reinforce the confusion surrounding the meaning of male identity.

    The most damaging consequence of the crusade against masculinity is its corrosive influence on the psychological and moral development of boys. From a very early age, they are told that they must curb their boyish attitudes and behaviour. They continually are bombarded by the message that they are not as emotionally intelligent, sensitive or as flexible as their girl counterparts. When they learn that masculine behaviour is considered by some of their teachers and other adults as something of a cultural crime, they naturally become disoriented and uncertain about their identity.

    Not surprisingly, a lot of young men find the transition to adulthood particularly difficult because values that are associated with being a man receive little cultural validation. In the absence of any clear cultural guidance of what it means to be a boy or a man, many are confronted with an identity crisis inflicted on them by the campaign against masculinity.

    The corrosive effect of the war against masculinity is not simply confined to the world of boys and young men. Society as a whole suffers from the loss of validation for the values that are wrongly attributed to men.

    The virtue of courage, the value of autonomy and risk-taking have played a significant and positive role in the moral development of humankind. Even, the much-derided ethos of stoicism has helped humanity deal with the threats and challenges it faced in difficult circumstances.

    Whatever its intent, the campaign against masculinity is much more than a crusade designed to change men. Our version of what it means to be a human will truly diminish if society becomes inhospitable to so-called male values such as courage, self-control and risk-taking.

    Frank Furedi is emeritus professor of sociology at the University of Kent and the author of How Fear Works: The Culture of Fear in the 21st Century, published by Bloomsbury Press.

  135. calli

    I just don’t like old and valued commenters here UnPersoned Lizzie. Particularly when they have been the butt of vicious and unwarranted attacks.

    No wonder Cats and Kittehs are careful about who they meet up with and when.

    On 🕺 (chuckle, he has his own Emoji) I give the Cat this:

  136. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Hope you are well-slept now after your grueling time at Bangkok airport transit and 6am arrival back into the marvels of Sydney, Percy Poppinjay. If you feel up to it, there is free Opera on tonight in The Domain. Trundle along. Friends rang me early this morning (why so early?) to see if we’d like to go. We can’t because poor ole Hairy still has a very red leg – I am insisting he see Dr. O’Oirish again tomorrow, out of hours.

    I am quite sure that two red wines and one beer at night are not recommended with heavy anti-biotics for cellulitis, but I am not the person to deliver to Hairy this bad news.

  137. Nick

    However, whilst we are on the subject of Hunchback Dan’s propensity to assign collective responsibility for “toxicity”, has anyone put Codey’s favourite bitch-slapping rap tunes under scrutiny?

    Yep.
    I’m assuming any lyrics, tweets, FB posts etc have been scoured and commented upon.
    No? Oh…..

  138. Dr Fred Lenin

    Trump making public his stopping of pelosis taxpayer funded overseas junket is the greatest gotcha ,in years , usually the left media would have kept the trip quiet but these days with the net the secrets of the elites are exposed to public scrutiny ,must be terrible for the elites living in their gsted communities with armed guards keeping the illegals out .I am sure the public employees not getting paid will n]be imressed by her concern for their jobs . Illegals are invaders specially gangs of them ,to be against keeping the invaders out is High Treason punishable by death , you only have to excecute a few and the rest will get the message , enforce the law .

  139. Nick

    Strange that Pelosi never flew commercial as per Trump’s suggestion. Hahahahahahaha.

  140. Tintarella di Luna

    So sexy … and what an amazing voice!

    Yes and Suspicious Minds could be the sound track to what the elites, academics, toxic feminists and weak-knee-ed politicians are trying to do to our society.

  141. Nick

    SMH: “man” charged with murder.
    Strange how a media so happy with discussing about ‘white men’ is so squeamish about us8ng the word indigenous.

  142. Helen

    “man”must be code for non white man, or PoC.

    Recently someone posted about a remake of Cleopatra and how a black woman should play her, even though Cleo was white.

    I have no objection, so long as the PoC actor uses white face.

  143. Tintarella di Luna

    Clambake – very dubious, so much fraternising – don’t those bikini-clad babe know about toxic masculinity?

  144. DrBeauGan

    I note that small boys don’t get bullied physically by other small boys any more. They get bullied emotionally by women teachers instead.

    It isn’t clear to me that this is an improvement.

  145. Bushkid

    Peter Campion
    #2911617, posted on January 19, 2019 at 2:30 pm
    Concurry locals get mighty annoyed about the BoM stealing their 53.1C temp record, which is why their famous road sign was still there last time I went through.

    Yep, The Curry does get a tad warm. Last time I spent a summer night there it was still 45C at 9:00pm. We survived just fine.

  146. cohenite

    The art of farming:

    Good contour farming lines on sloping properties like Larsen’s create water breaks that prevent rainfall run-off, and therefore soil erosion. Dalton was struck in that moment by the notion of ­Larsen’s farm as an ever-changing artistic landscape. “Johnny Larsen’s crops are framed by each ­contour,” he says. “But these are not any old frames, these are Johnny Larsen’s frames. The ends of them are bent so the water runs out and the silt doesn’t accumulate.

    “The whole canvas changes with the rain. You only have to get a shower of rain on his dirt and it goes five layers deep. His wheat in the middle of winter is bright green. When everything is frosted and ugly and dry, there’s John Larsen’s wheat as green as can be. The colours are always changing. It’s this transforming thing, this timeless thing. It’s more than a work of art.”

  147. Nick

    I have no objection, so long as the PoC actor uses white face.

    Post of the day.

  148. Shy Ted

    The Cloncurry pub is a really interesting pub. Framed old newspapers line the walls telling many a story of the pioneers and the unimaginable hardships of everyday life. You could spend weeks in there and not get through them all. And take a magnifying glass cos the print is really small. It also serves the best beer in town, chilled just right for the scorching temperatures outside. Just down the road (on an outback scale) is the McKinley pub, the exterior being the pub in Crocodile Dundee. Heat and dust and flies in all directions but people made it their home and scratched out a living, some even prospering. Unimaginable wealth underground in surrounding country and once upon a time you just marked out your lease and registered it and dug holes hoping for the best. Everybody found something and there are many tales of big finds and bigger fortunes lost through skullduggery. When you see a few photos of the gold nuggets unearthed you’re inclined to believe anything. When I first drove through 31 years ago as a new chum I couldn’t imagine a worse place on earth. God knows what the temperature was but the car overheated and wouldn’t cool down til the early hours of the morning. Many years later Mt Isa became home and we prospected around Cloncurry with little success but you couldn’t drag us away from the scorched earth. We were sad when night fell because tomorrow might bring the big one. After every trip we turned right into the “Curry” instead of left to the “Isa” and had a couple (an outback “couple”) of coldies before heading home. There wasn’t an ounce of fat on any of us back then and we didn’t talk much cos there’s nothing to stir a conversation, then home to a hot bath and long-suffering wife who never complained cos the men were just doing what men did. We were a bit testy because there was so much noise back in town and you longed to get back out bush to escape it. After 15 years newcomers to town left citing it was too quiet and there was nothing to do. The world had changed. Memoryvault, best wishes to you and Mrs MV. Read her the Cat and the best of the comments. There’s enough humour to write a great comedy and enough e-camaraderie to get you through the toughest times. Where was I, oh yeah, 53.1. Believe it. It’s the land of the unbelievable that really happened.

  149. Bushkid

    MV, nobody can find the right words at this time. Just know plenty of people, even those of us who only know you through these pages, are thinking of you and Mrs MV. I think most, if not all of us, have been where you are now. We understand.

  150. bespoke

    calli
    #2911714, posted on January 19, 2019 at 5:01 pm
    I just don’t like old and valued commenters here UnPersoned Lizzie. Particularly when they have been the butt of vicious and unwarranted attacks.

    Now in speculative over drive.

  151. feelthebern

    Rough week for monty.
    First the God-king hosts a burger feast.
    Then Buzzfeed gets his hopes up ever so much.
    His local 7/11 is now without doughnuts.

  152. Memoryvault

    Peter Campion.

    Make your request for information again, only prefix each and every question with the following statement:

    “The following information is requested under the Freedom of information Act, 1982. If an exemption or conditional exemption from supplying the requested information is claimed, please state fully the reasons for claiming the exemption or conditional exemption.”

    Then restate the first question. Repeat for every question. This not only makes it an FOI Request that must be responded to within a certain time period, it means if they don’t want to supply the information, they have to state a reason.

    There are only nine specific cases where a department can claim an exemption, and eight where they can claim a conditional exemption. Your questions fit none of them.

    Note however, that the BoM can demand a fee for supplying the info. There are lots of ways you can challenge this, but I’d say it would be quicker and easier to request a whip-around here at the Cat.I’m good for a tenner, and there are Cats much more well-heeled than me. When you pay it, make it clear that you will be appealing both the fee itself, and the amount, AFTER you have received the info, to prevent further delays.

    There are no grounds for any govt department to put demands on the use on info supplied under the FOI Act.

  153. Tintarella di Luna

    Memoryvault, may you find comfort in the sincere and genuine expressions of support, from people whom you may never have met but who empathise deeply with what you are going through. Thinking of you and hope courage and comfort will help make it bearable. Regards to Mrs MV

  154. feelthebern

    Kelly O’Dwyer has been one of the worst performers in the LNP government.
    She was one of the architects of the 1.6mill threshold on super.
    Now she rides off into the sunset.
    What a fucking cvnt.

  155. cohenite

    This Bruce Ohr business, which was discussed here a long time ago, about the warnings to all the players about the Steele dossier being a bunch of malicious crap or as comey said salacious and unverified, and those players still lying to the FISA court, the most secret and ex-party court in the US, about shrillary’s involvement, about the dossier being crap, not once but 4 times, and the bastards are still running around and that alien Mueller’s witch hunt still going.

    Fuck the grubs who come on here and attack Trump and defend this shit.

  156. Dr Fred Lenin

    Trump told cohen to lie hahaha .cohen is a lawyer they are trained to lie,first year of law course is how to lie and convince yourself its true. Politcians lie all the time , as many of them are lawyers .
    Seriously ,how do you prove someone who lies for a living was told to lie by another person?
    The lying decromats are scraping the bottom of the creative barrel ,they are like their lefty comrades in hollywood who have scraped the ass out of their creative barrel judging by the films they make ,talk about B grade ? These are C grade ,C for communist .
    The left have finally beaten Joe Mc Carthy hollywood is full of reds thats why its dying .

  157. Memoryvault

    Tinta, and others, including Winston and especially Helen;

    Thanks for all the well wishes for Mrs MV, from all of you. She has now been stabilised, and she has been told she can go home. Actually, I suspect it was more a plea than anything else. Irish Catholic Redheads do not make good patients. #1 son is picking her up now. My apologies again for my maudlin behaviour in the wee hours.

    With luck we may get another three weeks at home.

  158. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    So it appears Cody Whatsisname was on bail when he bludgeoned the poor Arab-Israeli girl to death.

    The “Daily Mail” cited “bail for minor offenses, involving property.”

  159. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    My apologies again for my maudlin behaviour in the wee hours.

    No apologies needed. “No -one bleeds alone on the Cat.”

  160. Peter Campion

    MV

    Thank you, sir, I will do so this evening.

    And God bless…

  161. egg_

    Elvis Presley – Clambake

    Lead Shelley Fabares at the 2:09 mark.

  162. Peter Campion

    It looks like my daughter was papped at Wooli with her baby-bump showing…

    I wonder whether they’ll make a story out of it.

  163. calli

    Don’t overspeculate, bespoke. I’m sure it was with their consent.

    Every so often my Freedom Glasses get a bit of a knock and I have to refocus.

    In other news, when Trumped, simply lie about it

    After all, we must belieb all wamen.

  164. calli

    Give her a kiss and a hug from me, MV.

    But not too much, mind. One straight woman to another. 💋🙂

  165. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Fortunately, this fantasy display of anti-boy animus bears little rela­tionship to reality.

    And, as the article shows, this fantasy animus acts simply to further children’s confusion about how to behave towards each other. If anything, such behavior modelled by the young girl is likely to encourage boys to feel even more misunderstood regarding their natural instincts, and encourage them to turn on girls in the playground, while the girls will become objectionably virtuous and put down boys further. Throwing at children (and their parents) a bomb such as these ads simply acts to create gender-based oppositional hostility and confusion in the playground and anger from parents about the double standards being applied.

    ——————-

    Calli – I dislike anyone being Un-personed in terms of their Cat identity. Let’s hope it all comes out in the wash and you can say who you mean, and about what. I am with Sinc however re the cardinal sin: never ‘outing’ real identities or addresses on Catallaxy, as for many reasons the internet is not a safe place for such things.

    Re IRL meet ups, well, you take your chances, and we admit who we are, past histories etc, believing that they will be safely kept secret here online (we’ll likewise reciprocate, knowing too that Sinc would throw off anyone breaking the cardinal rule). I’ve found that Cats offline don’t differ too much from their Catallaxy personas. Nob says he was pleased to find that Hairy and I were just normal people, pretty much who I’ve said we are, with a few tweaks to throw off those who try to ‘out’ us. Hairy tells Cats I make things up about him, but he would say that, wouldn’t he? God’s honest truth he’s said every line and done every deed that I have ever attributed to him. Perspective, of course, may have something to do with it. 🙂

    Off-line, who really cares? We meet up with new people all the time via our travels, and Catallaxy friends are simply added to our networks. Closer to some than to others, of course.

  166. Leigh Lowe

    Fuck!
    Fuckity fucking fuck!
    If only Codey Nulla Nulla had got this out of his system three years ago.
    We could have simply said, “The 17 year old (who is Australian born) cannot be identified for legal reasons … “

  167. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    It looks like my daughter was papped at Wooli with her baby-bump showing…

    Another little one, so soon? Wasting no time there, and good luck to them both.

  168. Helen

    I’m so glad you have more time for laughin and wooin Mv. Now get to work!

  169. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    With luck we may get another three weeks at home.

    Great news. Lots of time for loving hugs and favorite TV shows together, and family visits.
    Spend up big and call in some very tasty tucker, ready-cooked if that’s how you like it.

    And sleep. Both of you. Spooned up together. All of this is very tiring stuff.

  170. egg_

    Shelley made 3 movies with Elvis, all the others only made one, and he said she was his favourite co-star.

  171. Nick

    Fuck!
    Fuckity fucking fuck!
    If only Codey Nulla Nulla had got this out of his system three years ago.
    We could have simply said, “The 17 year old (who is Australian born) cannot be identified for legal reasons … “

    What does it matter, Leigh ? Ch 7 had him as. ‘Rapper’ with no other details at all presented. Strange that.

  172. Bruce in WA

    MV … love her as you always have, in the good times and now the bad.

    I can’t begin to explain how sad this makes me. Deepest sympathies.

  173. Oh come on

    m0nty come back! You can blame it all on Buzzfeed

  174. Oh come on

    I’m very sorry to hear about your wife, MV. Glad to hear you’re bringing her home.

  175. Elle

    MV, what you are going through is similar to what my dad went through with mum last year. Towards the end she collapsed and was admitted then came home. Had never in my entire life seen my dad cry. He sobbed for so long. We held each other. Sometimes there are no words. God bless.

  176. Muddy

    For what it is worth, I would like to belatedly add my best wishes to Mr and Mrs Memoryvault.

  177. Tom

    My apologies again for my maudlin behaviour in the wee hours.

    An unnecessary apology, MV. Many Cats are empathising with what you’re going through. My prayers for Mrs MV. Whatever you believe, she will be protected. She is God’s creation.

  178. h/t Michael Smith

    NSW Government email asking staff to switch things off because the power grid can’t cope
    Saturday, 19 January 2019
    How utterly shameful.

  179. My very best to Mrs MV and your good self.
    May the journey be as pain free as possible.

  180. Muddy

    What is a man?

    I’m sure someone has already posted this, but I think it’s worth posting again.
    It’s a watch company’s response to the misandrous Gillette ad.
    It’s only about two minutes in length, and I think they did a decent job.

    First they pathologised dissent.
    Now they pathologise biology.
    Next?

  181. What is a man?

    75% of murder victims are men?

  182. Bye folks.
    I’m off to have a beer and many…many fries.

  183. JC

    ABC news reporting there’s a push to ban recreational boating on the Murray. Is there anything this place won’t ban?

    The swamp here is miles bigger than the US and it’s much more misanthropic too.

  184. cohenite

    Peter Campion, the guys in my chat group, who are really good on this temperature stuff and dealing with the BoM, had the 1889 January complete temperature record for Cloncurry. They reckon the record is the real deal.

    They were wondering if you had the Brewarrina 1896 January records?

  185. MatrixTransform

    What is a man?

    a man is around about 93% of all workplace deaths

  186. feelthebern

    Binging on Curb Your Enthusiasm.
    Larry David pretending to be Orthodox as part of a scam.
    Funny stuff.

  187. egg_

    ABC news reporting there’s a push to ban recreational boating on the Murray. Is there anything this place won’t ban?

    Fun?
    Nah, scratch that.

  188. Steve trickler.

    Memoryvault.

    Great to read Mrs MV will be at home.



  189. egg_

    Mr Christensen also questions why the Bureau’s official historical temperature record only starts in 1910. He argues that the apparently hot temperatures in 1896 (such as the 50C recorded in Camden, New South Wales, as well as scorching temperatures in Victoria and Western Australia) demolish the Bureau of Meteorology’s claim that 2013 was the hottest Australian year on record.

  190. egg_

    apparently hot temperatures in 1896 (such as the 50C recorded in Camden, New South Wales,

  191. egg_

    What is a man?

    75% of murder victims are men?
    a man is around about 93% of all workplace deaths

    Inconvenient Troofers!

  192. egg_

    Newspaper reports showed that in Bourke the heat approached 120°F (48.9°C) on three days (1)(2)(3)*. The maximumun at or above 102 degrees F (38.9°C) for 24 days straight.

    *Trove links

  193. Peter Campion

    They were wondering if you had the Brewarrina 1896 January records?

    Cohenite, sadly, I do not. But now that you mention it it would be worth trying to get.

  194. the natura

    I have lived and worked in both Cloncurry and Mt Isa just down the road.
    In the middle of the day in summer, if your thermometer isn’t reading around 50 deg C, then the natural assumption would be that your thermometer is broken.

  195. cohenite

    Thanks anyway Peter. That original note with the January 1889 temps is pretty amazing.

  196. egg_

    egg_
    #2911831, posted on January 19, 2019 at 8:02 pm

    More from Jo Nova’s 1896 heatwave link above

    By Tuesday Jan 14, people were reported falling dead in the streets. Unable to sleep, people in Brewarrina walked the streets at night for hours, the thermometer recording 109F at midnight. Overnight, the temperature did not fall below 103°F. On Jan 18 in Wilcannia, five deaths were recorded in one day, the hospitals were overcrowded and reports said that “more deaths are hourly expected”. By January 24, in Bourke, many businesses had shut down (almost everything bar the hotels). Panic stricken Australians were fleeing to the hills in climate refugee trains. As reported at the time, the government felt the situation was so serious that to save lives and ease the suffering of its citizens they added cheaper train services:

  197. cohenite

    Some details of the Brewarrina event:

    In January 1896 a savage blast “like a furnace” stretched across Australia from east to west and lasted for weeks. The death toll reached 437 people in the eastern states. Newspaper reports showed that in Bourke the heat approached 120°F (48.9°C) on three days (1)(2)(3). The maximumun at or above 102 degrees F (38.9°C) for 24 days straight.

    By Tuesday Jan 14, people were reported falling dead in the streets. Unable to sleep, people in Brewarrina walked the streets at night for hours, the thermometer recording 109F at midnight. Overnight, the temperature did not fall below 103°F. On Jan 18 in Wilcannia, five deaths were recorded in one day, the hospitals were overcrowded and reports said that “more deaths are hourly expected”. By January 24, in Bourke, many businesses had shut down (almost everything bar the hotels). Panic stricken Australians were fleeing to the hills in climate refugee trains. As reported at the time, the government felt the situation was so serious that to save lives and ease the suffering of its citizens they added cheaper train services:

  198. Ragu

    Has the Wôg stopped Head Defecting yet?

  199. Peter Castieau

    MV

    What Tom said.

    Take care

  200. vlad

    Roger
    #2911546, posted on January 19, 2019 at 12:39 pm
    C. S. Lewis clearly foresaw where misplaced “humanitarianism” applied to our justice system would lead.

    Thanks for that article. One of the most amazing things is he says at the very end he’s submitting the article to an Australian publication as he couldn’t get it printed in England! I gather he got it published in the UK eventually. I would love to know what the Australian publication was.

  201. stackja

    (Though caveats of comparing different thermometer placements apply — the old ones were in odd places, but the new ones are not necessarily well placed either, with some near airports, buildings and walls).

    Riverview College Lane Cove had a weather station. The data now missing? Sydney Observatory once was alone on hill visible for a distant, now expressways and buildings surround it. The same is probably true of many Sydney suburbs and country towns weather stations. But no caveats?

  202. sdfc

    Mr Christensen also questions why the Bureau’s official historical temperature record only starts in 1910. He argues that the apparently hot temperatures in 1896 (such as the 50C recorded in Camden,

    Whether temperatures were hotter in 1896 than in 2013 is neither here nor there. That you inserted that link thinking it supports your argument is piss funny though.

  203. vlad

    Sursum corda, MV, and God bless you and the missus. Enjoy the time you have together.

  204. cohenite

    That you inserted that link thinking it supports your argument is piss funny though.

    Why shithead.

  205. egg_

    sdfc
    #2911845, posted on January 19, 2019 at 8:39 pm

    Must be a fvckwit magnet.

  206. egg_

    Why shithead.

    Inconvenient troof.

  207. jupes

    So sad to hear about your wife MV.

    It’s hard to imagine what you’re both going through.

  208. Mark A

    sdfc
    #2911845, posted on January 19, 2019 at 8:39 pm

    Whether temperatures were hotter in 1896 than in 2013 is neither here nor there. That you inserted that link thinking it supports your argument is piss funny though.

    Why? isn’t that what the whole CCH argument is all about, that we never ever had hot temps. like we do now?

  209. stackja

    Pigot, Edward Francis (1858–1929)
    by L. A. Drake
    This article was published in Australian Dictionary of Biography, Volume 11, (MUP), 1988

    On his way back to Australia Pigot visited the Jesuit observatory in Manila: he was beginning to plan an observatory of international standard at Riverview. He began meteorological observations there on 1 January 1908.

  210. Percy Popinjay

    MV – you’ll live. Think about the great things the pair of you did …

  211. jupes

    Whether temperatures were hotter in 1896 than in 2013 is neither here nor there.

    Well it is if you believe in stupid global warming theory.

    You idiot.

  212. sdfc

    No Mark. basic stats will tell you why it doesn’t matter to the global warming case whether 1896 was hotter or not.

    You’re a dope egg for not reading your own links. Cohenite, you’re just a dope.

  213. mh

    Another day, another ‘Trump destroyed’ false alarm

  214. cohenite

    Why am I a dope shithead.

  215. Percy Popinjay

    Recently visited Perth and couldn’t help noticing that all the beautiful young chicks were straight out of Southern California circa 1968-73.

    Magnifique.

  216. JC

    Sdfc

    Your point is reasonable, in that previous high temps mean shit for gerbaling. However that isn’t the point because it’s gerbalists making the argument that the current spate of hot weather is indicative of gerbaling. You do realize that argument is more or less arguing against the gerbalists, right?

  217. Shy Ted

    Proving itself to be the most feminine of religions, The Guardian has an article written by a muslim lady – “I spent the first day of my honeymoon in a jail cell with my husband,” by… wait for it… any moment now – The wife of Hakeem al-Araibi

  218. egg_

    basic stats will tell you why it doesn’t matter to the global warming case whether 1896 was hotter or not.

    2009, 2013 hottest year evah ring a bell, fwit?

  219. egg_

    That’s because the records weren’t doctored beyond 1910.
    How inconvenient.

  220. J

    But seriously, they were using those old style thermometers a hundred years ago and there likely was much importance placed in the recording of those temps. How accurate could any of that data be 100 years ago? Moreover who cares.

    That’s the problem with a lot of the sceptic arguments. They fall for the same trap of wanting to sound as exacting as the gerbalists. These records from c

  221. jupes

    Magnifique.

    Perth is the best place on Earth.

  222. JC

    These records from 100 years ago are useless.

  223. JCat

    Egg

    How do do you know they weren’t doctored? The post office dude with the thermo at the back of the store could have just made that shit up. If it was hot and part of m6 job was to record daily temps, I know, knowing me I would have made that shit up instead of walking outside

  224. jupes

    These records from 100 years ago are useless.

    So are the records since then thanks to the 97% of scientists who have doctored homogenized the records.

  225. cohenite

    These records from 100 years ago are useless.

    Must you talk shit about things you know nothing about.

  226. JC

    Egg

    How do do you know they weren’t doctored? The post office dude with the thermo at the back of the store could have just made that shit up, 100 years ago. If it was hot and part of my job was to record daily temps, I know, knowing me, I would have made that shit up instead of walking outside at the exact time in that blistering heat. It was useless information anyway at the time.

  227. JC

    cohenite
    #2911868, posted on January 19, 2019 at 9:16 pm

    These records from 100 years ago are useless.

    Must you talk shit about things you know nothing about.

    Look Cronkite, I don’t want to get into this… I’m smarter than you, if done more in my life than you and accomplished mush more. I know more and I’ve been paid much more. I’m wealthier than you. I’ve done this on my own and not needing any assistance.

    But here you are telling me I know shit.

    How can you verify records from 100 years are accurate? Here’s another question I’m sure you won’t answer because you’re a fucking fraud. Stick to land transfers, son.

  228. cohenite

    Oh, I get it, you’re just being a shit-head; like the other troll who is an alarmist.

  229. egg_

    These records from 100 years ago are useless.

    Ditto financial records?
    Treat the climate scam as a the financial scam that it is (hence, Garnaut, et al).
    The Greenhouse Gas Hypothesis (i.e. an unproven scientific hunch) becomes an Economic theory that in 100 years sea levels engulf us there will be a major GFC bankrupting Nations and we must act now, robbing pensions to save our future.
    Geddit?

  230. egg_

    What’s the overnight temperature of a desert glass house?

  231. JC

    So are the records since then thanks to the 97% of scientists who have doctored homogenized the records.

    Totally.

    We don’t have any way of accurately measuring global temps as we don’t have the technology, especially for the tiny wiggles the gerbilists are panicking about. The adjustments are just mostly a fraud, but also stupid. How does one know how much of adjustment to make if the thermo is moved from a heat island to somewhere else. It’s laughable. And then we’re looking for tiny wiggles from adjusted data. From these wiggles, that are independently audited we’re supposed accept these tiny wiggles from adjusted data and reduced energy consumption and therefore our living standards.

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