Open Forum: January 19, 2019

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  1. JC

    cohenite
    #2911871, posted on January 19, 2019 at 9:22 pm

    Oh, I get it, you’re just being a shit-head; like the other troll who is an alarmist.

    Eggsactly the answer I’d expect from a fraud. As I said, stick to land transfers as you have no idea.

  2. egg_

    1896

    Arrhenius publishes first calculation of global warming from human emissions of CO2.

    Hot year?

  3. Memoryvault

    I would have made that shit up instead of walking outside at the exact time in that blistering heat.

    Or you could have used a maximum and a minimum thermometer, and read them at your convenience in the relative cool of the morning or evening.

    I wonder why they didn’t think of that?

  4. JC

    whoops

    That AREN’T independently audited.

  5. cohenite

    Ditto financial records?

    The thing about alarmism is, apart from the waste of $trillions, it subverts real climate science including our understanding of past climate. If, as alarmists assert, human CO2 controls not just today’s weather but climate generally, research into the real causes of weather and climate are ignored. We all suffer because of this from increased insurance policies to government subsidies of renewables to spurious education.

    Alarmism

  6. C.L.

    Where’s the Duke of Err, the King of Bungle, the Ayatollah of Wrong ‘n Rolla?
    Get in here, Monty, and apologise.

  7. egg_

    I would have made that shit up

    The hospital deaths were bogus, too?

  8. C.L.

    God bless all in your house, Memoryvault.

  9. jupes

    The problem we have is that global warming is just like the Russia investigation.

    It is fakenews kept alive by deep state fuckwits and their sycophants in the press who all will lose big time when the proles finally come to see the scam for what it is. A total fabrication.

    Those who are doing the hard yards now to provide the evidence, despite getting no traction in the msm, deserve all the praise and encouragement we can give them.

  10. cohenite

    Eggsactly the answer I’d expect from a fraud.

    Tedious. You’ve pushed your ignorant head into an interesting conversation about which you have no knowledge or interest just for general arseholeness.

    But since you’re here give us a dissertation on the differences between the Stevenson and Glaisher screens and the thermal inertia of mercury thermometers which you disparaged.

  11. JC

    The hospital deaths were bogus, too?

    Why would hospital deaths be bogus from 100 years ago, egg. If someone stopped breathing, that means they’re a cadaver and fucking dead. What’s the problem?

    However categorizing deaths according to illness etc means that to a large degree that information except for some illnesses is useless too.

  12. cohenite

    Those who are doing the hard yards now to provide the evidence, despite getting no traction in the msm, deserve all the praise and encouragement we can give them.

    Correct and those who disparage them deserve to be treated as the dolts they are.

  13. sdfc

    JC
    Your point is reasonable, in that previous high temps mean shit for gerbaling. However that isn’t the point because it’s gerbalists making the argument that the current spate of hot weather is indicative of gerbaling. You do realize that argument is more or less arguing against the gerbalists, right?

    Some global warmists are making that argument, but that’s bogus as well. I don’t change my view on employment growth based of one month’s data in the labour force lottery. The trend is what matters.

    I’m the first to put up my hand to say I don’t know really anything about global warming other than it is consistent with our knowledge on how the planet’s surface heats.

    The level of knowledge among the naysayers here is staggeringly low however. To the point they don’t read their own links or comment on someone else’s link without reading it. There is a special kind of stupid commenting at the Cat these days.

  14. egg_

    The atmospheric greenhouse effect, an idea that many authors trace back to the traditional works of Fourier 1824, Tyndall 1861, and Arrhenius 1896, and which is still supported in global climatology, essentially describes a fictitious mechanism, in which a planetary atmosphere acts as a heat pump driven by an environment that is radiatively interacting with but radiatively equilibrated to the atmospheric system. According to the second law of thermodynamics such a planetary machine can never exist.” (Gerhard Gerlich)

    Viz, the glass house in the desert.

  15. JC

    Cronkite

    You can abuse me until 2021 but the fact remains that the only thing you do when asked a question is to make up some unfunny smartarse attempt at a quip or go immediately into abuse mode. You implied records from 100 years ago aren’t useless for the reasons I suggested. They are unaudited and unverifiable. Saying that immediately gets a lashing of abuse from you. When asked to defend your position, more abuse.

    Yep, as I said. A fraud.

    next.

  16. egg_

    sdfc
    #2911889, posted on January 19, 2019 at 9:42 pm

    You’re a rolled gold fwit, mate.

  17. egg_

    I’m the first to put up my hand to say I don’t know really anything about global warming

    Nor Physics, I dare say.

  18. jupes

    I’m the first to put up my hand to say I don’t know really anything

    I concur.

  19. sdfc

    Have I upset you egg by pointing out your’re an idiot that doesn’t read his own links? Dry your eyes.

  20. egg_

    Mkay, because they’re a Century old, people made up temperatures and deaths about a heat wave.
    Check.

  21. cohenite

    I’m the first to put up my hand to say I don’t know really anything about global warming other than it is consistent with our knowledge on how the planet’s surface heats.

    How clever you are, to know something of which you are ignorant.

  22. egg_

    that doesn’t read his own links?

    Doubling down, fwit?

  23. Arky

    Just a reminder that I will no longer be posting these videos here, so if you wish to discuss Model A Fords, or anything else, you should subscribe or bookmark my channel.

    I also note that since I left the standard here has plummeted.
    ..
    You are all shit.



  24. cohenite

    You can abuse me until 2021

    The truth is not abuse. But credit where credit is due, as usual you have turned the discussion to the only thing you are interested in: yourself.

  25. egg_

    How clever you are, to know something of which you are ignorant.

    But Mr Known Unknowns knows people here don’t read before posting, or summut.

  26. JC

    Some global warmists are making that argument, but that’s bogus as well. I don’t change my view on employment growth based of one month’s data in the labour force lottery. The trend is what matters.

    Trend and strong scientific evidence.

    I’m the first to put up my hand to say I don’t know really anything about global warming other than it is consistent with our knowledge on how the planet’s surface heats.

    But we don’t have a trend or strong scientific evidence of the gerbaling theory. We have no evident records in the long or short term because :-

    1. The records are unaudited and unverified.
    2. We have no way of calculating average global temps… neither for land nor sea.

    The level of knowledge among the naysayers here is staggeringly low however. To the point they don’t read their own links or comment on someone else’s link without reading it. There is a special kind of stupid commenting at the Cat these days.

    Sure, there are quite a few morons here. What’s your point?

  27. Tel

    All the best for you and your wife MV, there’s nothing I can do to help other that hoping. Let’s agree to all make best use of the time we have.

  28. sdfc

    Not ignorant Cohenite, unlike you I’m aware of the basics at least.

    Egg , it might me best to read links before you post them. It’s difficult I know.

  29. jupes

    The level of knowledge among the naysayers here is staggeringly low however.

    No. We have been told by the global warming fuckwits that man-made CO2 will heat the world to hell.

    The naysayers here know that is utter bullshit. So does anyone with half a working synapse.

  30. cohenite

    We have no way of calculating average global temps… neither for land nor sea.

    Please stop saying that; there are actually very good estimates of the Earth’s Energy Balance.

  31. JC

    The truth is not abuse. But credit where credit is due, as usual you have turned the discussion to the only thing you are interested in: yourself.

    No I haven’t, you fraud. I made the comment long term records are next to useless. You abused me and I was nice enough to ask you why you thought those long term records from 100 years ago are accurate. You abused me again.

    You’re a fraud, a total fraud. Stick to land transfers, Wilbur.

  32. Oh come on

    This Buzzkill fuckup is a pretty astonishing development. Possibly the most consequential development since Mueller was appointed.

    It’s kind of funny. Yesterday I was going to ask people here if they thought the rabidly anti-Trump MSM was a net help or hindrance for Trump – on the one hand, it probably means he’s 5-10 points down on what he ought to be. OTOH, it drives his opponents to make an endless stream of unforced errors.

    Today I think the answer is pretty clear.

  33. egg_

    sdfc
    #2911909, posted on January 19, 2019 at 9:54 pm

    Fwit enters Grigory M loop mode.
    Anything new to add to the debate?

  34. sdfc

    JC

    But we don’t have a trend or strong scientific evidence of the gerbaling theory. We have no evident records in the long or short term because :-

    There has been a warming trend and the science is in line with accepted wisdom as to how the surface of the planet heats. Saying you think the observations are wrong because you don’t like them is not much of an argument.

  35. Oh come on

    Has Arky always been so self-indulgent? Have your damn meltdown in private.

  36. JC

    Please stop saying that; there are actually very good estimates of the Earth’s Energy Balance.

    Estimates, like within 2 degrees? That’s the warming the gerbalists are expecting. Shut up.

  37. egg_

    there are actually very good estimates of the Earth’s Energy Balance.

    And bulldust modelling predictions vs measured data, per BoN.
    Thermodynamics wins.

  38. Siltstone

    Memoryvault
    #2911878, posted on January 19, 2019 at 9:32 pm
    Or you could have used a maximum and a minimum thermometer, and read them at your convenience in the relative cool of the morning or evening.
    I wonder why they didn’t think of that?

    Yes, MV. It would be interesting to know how many people claiming knowledge of the reliability or otherwise of meteorological records have ever undertaken actual collection of such data, be it manually or otherwise. If you asked them about calibration problems and data loss is “modern” “automatic weather stations”, could they offer an informed opinion?

  39. cohenite

    Estimates, like within 2 degrees

    I said energy balance not global temperature; the 2 are completely different, in fact contradictory; but go ahead, prove me wrong.

  40. old bloke

    MV,

    Sorry to hear of your situation, prayers for strength and peace to you and Mrs. MV heading your way.

    Stay strong.

  41. Boambee John

    JC at 2128

    We don’t have any way of accurately measuring global temps

    And even if we did, how meaningful is a “global average temperatipure” when on any day temperatures in various parts of the world have been as high as or even higher than 40C, and as low as or even lower than -50C? And in some places the daily variation could be up to 20C, more than the “global average”.

    Even putting aside that the measurement should be in degrees K/degrees absolute, not relating to the freezing point of distilled water.

    That would make the “global average” around 288K, varying between around 328K and 238K.

  42. jupes

    Today I think the answer is pretty clear.

    Yeah nah.

    If Trump had Obama level sycophancy from the press, and they were also truthful on global warming, immigration, Islam, Russian collusion, identity politics etc, then he would be the most popular president of all time.

  43. JC

    There has been a warming trend and the science is in line with accepted wisdom as to how the surface of the planet heats. Saying you think the observations are wrong because you don’t like them is not much of an argument.

    How are these records created? Were they verified. Actually who is in charge of the global temp record that would satisfy a court?

    Tony Heller makes the case these adjustments are fraudulent for US based capture. He also shows that the far more important temp records for the oceans, where adjustments aren’t made for obvious reasons… the temp trend is down, not up!

    Lindzen makes the point over and over that we’re talking about tiny wiggles in temp and it’s basically impossible to ascribe a case much less devote 1% of lost GDP a year to this.

  44. Siltstone

    Arky
    #2911903, posted on January 19, 2019 at 9:50 pm
    Just a reminder that I will no longer be posting these videos here, so if you wish to discuss Model A Fords, or anything else, you should subscribe or bookmark my channel.

    You are doing good things Arky, I like your videos

  45. jupes

    Saying you think the observations are wrong because you don’t like them is not much of an argument.

    The observations are nothing at all to be alarmed about.

    It’s the predictions the alarmists cling too despite them being continuously overestimated for the last few decades.

  46. Confused Old Misfit

    It’s kind of funny. Yesterday I was going to ask people here if they thought the rabidly anti-Trump MSM was a net help or hindrance for Trump

    MSM outlets pushed the story even when they knew it to be fake. They are so fixated with their fall from grace that they will, like some commentators here, spew their venom long and loud until they convince themselves that their strength is as the strength of ten because their hearts are pure!
    The revelation of the corruption in the MSM, the FBI and the DOJ is heartbreaking to see.
    One can only hope that the US can recover.
    Or am I being a cross-eyed optimist?

  47. rickw

    ABC news reporting there’s a push to ban recreational boating on the Murray. Is there anything this place won’t ban?

    The swamp here is miles bigger than the US and it’s much more misanthropic too.

    Pretty soon our betters will have pissed of enough people to get themselves a nice little civil war.

  48. jupes

    Today I think the answer is pretty clear.

    Yeah nah.

    If Trump had Obama level sycophancy from the press, and they were also truthful on global warming, immigration, Islam, Russian collusion, identity politics etc, then he would be the most popular president of all time.

    That being said, what the msm have done over the last couple of years is totally beclowned themselves. Even a gullible tool like m0nty should be pretty angry with them by now.

  49. Memoryvault

    Of course, you could always go to Wood For Trees and create your own graph, using any one of a number of official data sets.

    Personally I favour using the HADCRUT 3 unadjusted global mean data set, as it appears to be the least tampered with.

  50. Mater

    MV,
    Just caught up on the thread. Really sorry about your family situation.
    There’s nothing more I can say, it’s a shit of a thing.
    Best wishes to you both.

  51. cohenite

    Head prefect I think your new nick name should be wriggles. As a matter of interest Lindzen accepts a GAT. A GAT is a useful reference point; the fact it has been suborned by the alarmists doesn’t detract from that.

  52. jupes

    ABC news reporting there’s a push to ban recreational boating on the Murray.

    It will get up and with popular support (though not from those who live on the Murray).

    There is nothing idiot Australians love more than to ban something they themselves don’t partake in. Even more so if the ban is totally pointless.

  53. JC

    Jupes

    I think what the msm has done is take a bullet but they’ve made Trump hold a very big negative spread between those that support him and those that don’t. The msm is poison.

  54. egg_

    Father of Greenhouse Gas Hypothesis, Nils Gustaf Ekholm (Meteorologist):

    The atmosphere plays a very important part of a double character as to the temperature at the earth’s surface, of which the one was first pointed out by Fourier, the other by Tyndall. Firstly, the atmosphere may act like the glass of a green-house, letting through the light rays of the sun relatively easily, and absorbing a great part of the dark rays emitted from the ground, and it thereby may raise the mean temperature of the earth’s surface. Secondly, the atmosphere acts as a heat store placed between the relatively warm ground and the cold space, and thereby lessens in a high degree the annual, diurnal, and local variations of the temperature.

    There are two qualities of the atmosphere that produce these effects. The one is that the temperature of the atmosphere generally decreases with the height above the ground or the sea-level, owing partly to the dynamical heating of descending air currents and the dynamical cooling of ascending ones, as is explained in the mechanical theory of heat. The other is that the atmosphere, absorbing but little of the insolation and the most of the radiation from the ground, receives a considerable part of its heat store from the ground by means of radiation, contact, convection, and conduction, whereas the earth’s surface is heated principally by direct radiation from the sun through the transparent air.

    It follows from this that the radiation from the earth into space does not go on directly from the ground, but on the average from a layer of the atmosphere having a considerable height above sea-level. The height of that layer depends on the thermal quality of the atmosphere, and will vary with that quality. The greater is the absorbing power of the air for heat rays emitted from the ground, the higher will that layer be, But the higher the layer, the lower is its temperature relatively to that of the ground ; and as the radiation from the layer into space is the less the lower its temperature is, it follows that the ground will be hotter the higher the radiating layer is.” [Ekholm, 1901, p19-20]

    Wrong.

  55. Black Ball

    Cooper Cronk entirely correct to head to the Roosters. Tara Rushton almost surpasses Don’t Blush Baby as the hottest woman on tv. Although the Sky Weather lady is also magnificent.

  56. Dr Fred Lenin

    MV you have my deepest sympaty in your current unfortunate situation ,I lost my wife. The love of my life 6 years ago fron cancer in the mouth a terrible affliction and I nursed her fir 18 months till the end ,a most distressing and difficult task ,give her the love and supposrt needed in this time ,my best wishes for some happiness together , I know exactly what you are both going through from personal experience and its not easy .look after yourself and your wife she needs you.

  57. Snoopy

    If science was science and politics was just politics one would expect there to be no correlation. Yet the correlation is 1. So either science is politics or politics is science. My guess is that science is politics.

  58. Eyrie

    “Yes, MV. It would be interesting to know how many people claiming knowledge of the reliability or otherwise of meteorological records have ever undertaken actual collection of such data”
    I did it for 3 years.

  59. Mater

    It will get up and with popular support (though not from those who live on the Murray).

    I don’t know. That’ll be a fair wedge with Labor. On weekend, the Murray is full of cashed up Melbourne tradies (CFMEU) with their $100k Malibus, Wakesetters and Jetskis. This will cause a little consternation.

    Those who live up there will have their livelihoods badly impacted, but the ‘working class’ city folk are the mass uses of the river.

  60. Boambee John

    MV

    Stay strong so that you can support your wife.

    If you need support, or just somewhere to let off steam, you will always find sympathy here, day or night.

  61. Memoryvault

    Again, thanks to all for your words of comfort regarding Mrs MV.
    She is curled up in bed, sleeping peacefully now.

  62. Black Ball

    It will get up and with popular support (though not from those who live on the Murray).

    Wouldn’t bank on it. Premier Andrews will just raise the cost of boating licences and fishing and whatever else. The allure of the Murray will still attract campers.
    S good story from Cobram, a young couple settled in a spot, only to be tapped on the shoulder by the Mokbel family. Were moved along with great haste.

  63. Memoryvault

    There is nothing idiot Australians love more than to ban something they themselves don’t partake in. Even more so if the ban is totally pointless.

    Liberty quote.

  64. pbw

    MV,

    This may, or may not, provide some consolation for your wife, and perhaps even for you.
    Dies Irae.

  65. Black Ball

    Memory Vault my sincere wishes to you and your wife.

  66. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Liberty quote.

    Why does the word “Wowser” spring to mind?

  67. sdfc

    How are these records created? Were they verified. Actually who is in charge of the global temp record that would satisfy a court?

    I think the court wouldn’t understand it, much like the Cat. Maybe they’ll assume they’re experts, just like the Cat commenters.

  68. Bear Necessities

    MemoryVault, best Wishes. I lost my mum on Wednesday after a long battle with Parkinson’s. Not quite what you are experiencing but close.

    Take care.

  69. Snoopy

    I think the court wouldn’t understand it, much like the Cat. Maybe they’ll assume they’re experts, just like the Cat commenters.

    Please share your qualifications and/or professional experience with us.

  70. Leo G

    there are actually very good estimates of the Earth’s Energy Balance.

    What’s an estimate but an opinion? Moreover, the Energy Balance relates to a model which excludes many dynamic processes in the atmosphere that are known to be involved in global surface temperature variability.
    The estimates are more of a set of opinions about a set of opinions about the planetary energy budget.

  71. Memoryvault

    Maybe they’ll assume they’re experts, just like the Cat commenters.

    You mean we should only listen to the experts?

  72. JC

    I think the court wouldn’t understand it, much like the Cat. Maybe they’ll assume they’re experts, just like the Cat commenters.

    We’re no talking about splitting the atom here. We’re talking about how temp data is gathered in a way that greatly reduces the possibility of fraud. Courts deal with adjudicating tainted or untainted evidence all the time.

    On a serious note, who are the people gathering the temp data? Tony Heller came up with a revision from the 97% fraud of climate dweebs bullshit. His estimate is 52%.

    But here’s my problem. We’re all talking about and reaching conclusions of this data? Who’s responsible for its collection? Are there 5, 50, 500, 5000 people? How many are there?

  73. mh

    Donald J. Trump
    Donald J. Trump
    @realDonaldTrump
    ·
    10m
    Will be leaving for Dover to be with the families of 4 very special people who lost their lives in service to our Country!

    Dover? As in the white cliffs of Dover?

  74. Memoryvault

    I might just add that a degree in “climate science” requires no units of physics, chemistry, or maths.

  75. Infidel Tiger

    These records from 100 years ago are useless.

    This is exactly wrong

    If you know anything about the past you would know that people charged with the responsibility of recording that data would have been meticulous in how they went about things.

    In the analogue world there was a pride and discipline in work that has been completely lost in the modern age.

  76. Confused Old Misfit

    Solar Climate Connection and Cosmic Rays
    There is much we do not know about the mechanisms that define our existence.
    Theories abound.
    Certainty? Not so much.

  77. egg_

    We’re no talking about splitting the atom here.

    Oh, please do – sdfc’s input would be most welcome.

  78. Snoopy

    In the analogue world there was a pride and discipline in work that has been completely lost in the modern age.

    Correct.

  79. Confused Old Misfit

    I might just add that a degree in “climate science” requires no units of physics, chemistry, or maths.

    Which is a travesty.
    A mockery of the word “science”.

  80. sdfc

    Egg

    The atmosphere plays a very important part of a double character as to the temperature at the earth’s surface….

    You didn’t understand a word of that did you? Yet you posted it anyway.

  81. cohenite

    I think the court wouldn’t understand it,

    It’s been done numbnuts; you’re as ignorant as the other idiot:

    http://www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWHC/Admin/2007/2288.html

    The Gore case adjudicated on the consequences of alarmism and found none.

  82. cohenite

    Moreover, the Energy Balance relates to a model which excludes many dynamic processes in the atmosphere that are known to be involved in global surface temperature variability.

    No Stephan-Boltzmann and satellite measurement of outgoing IR along with accurate measurement of total solar irradiation, TSI, all provide both the quantities and method of calculating the EEB.

  83. JC

    Dot once made the same point as I’m about to make, Cronkite. You’re as certain of your on beliefs as the other side. You’re no different. In fact you’re no sceptic at all. You’re a believer and a fraud.

  84. Peter Campion

    According to the second law of thermodynamics such a planetary machine can never exist.

    At the end of the day what matters is the votes that the narrative yields.

    Alinsky’s Rule 12 –

    12. “The price of a successful attack is a constructive alternative.”

    Therefore we need an alternate explanation for surface temperature. This is what I’ve pieced together from Tallbloke and Watts over the last few years – “Climate explained in 300 words”. So far no newspaper has printed it – that I know of… Too long.

    The Editor

    Contrary to greenie pseudo-science, the Earth’s surface temperature is set by gravity, atmospheric mass and solar energy, not CO2.

    This upsets the CO2 catastrophists; they “deny” this explanation because their “science” is “settled”.

    But tradies who use air compressors and pilots who know the adiabatic lapse rate understand the basics of this.

    Earth’s atmosphere is continually cooled by its vast surface exposure to the absolute zero of space.

    The centrifugal force of Earth’s rotation is continually trying to fling the atmosphere off.

    Gravity is continually trying to draw the atmosphere to the centre of the Earth.

    At the Earth’s surface the air is gravity-compressed by the mass of air above it – about 10,000kg per square meter at sea level.

    Solar heat warms the air, the surface and particularly the oceans – because visible light penetrates deeply into water.

    Weather is driven by stored solar heat, from up to 900 years ago, being released from the oceans.

    Surface heat above a threshold level gets sent straight to space by thunderstorms and cyclones – powered by the energy transfer capacity of the phase change of water.

    Small amounts of heat are added by volcanic/tectonic activity, bushfires and human activity.

    Small amounts of heat are subtracted by photosynthesis converting sunlight to carbohydrates, and by cloud nucleation from galactic cosmic radiation.

    The only effect of adding more CO2 is more plant growth, because CO2 is plant food.

    If we could double atmospheric CO2 (we can’t, there’s insufficient hydrocarbons to burn) the extra plant growth would cool the world fractionally.

    CO2-alarmism is dirty politics with a single objective – de-industrialising Western countries.

    If you believe CO2 is “pollution” it’s because you, and/or your teachers, have been lied to by the cartel that now controls the UN.

    The UN is no friend to Australia or the Western world.

    (300 words)
    Peter Campion

  85. Memoryvault

    people charged with the responsibility of recording that data would have been meticulous in how they went about things.

    In the analogue world there was a pride and discipline in work that has been completely lost in the modern age.

    IT, please stop confusing this debate with actual facts.
    We’re trying to keep it a fact-free zone.
    Otherwise it just confuses the kiddies, like sdfc.

  86. cohenite

    Tony Heller came up with a revision from the 97% fraud of climate dweebs bullshit. His estimate is 52%.

    Tony subscribes to the LM analysis of Cook’s paper, Quantifying the consensus on anthropogenic global warming in the scientific literature. LM’s analysis which found a consensus of 1%.

  87. 132andBush

    If you know anything about the past you would know that people charged with the responsibility of recording that data would have been meticulous in how they went about things.

    In the analogue world there was a pride and discipline in work that has been completely lost in the modern age.

    Absolutely spot on.

  88. cohenite

    Dot once made the same point as I’m about to make

    You don’t have a point wriggles. And I guess from your vantage point, which is entirely self-centred anyone who isn’t sharing your point would appear the same as any other.

  89. mh

    Headline at the Tele:

    50 Aussie Women in Sport You Can’t Ignore

    Fake news.

  90. JC

    The 52% Consensus
    The 97% consensus quoted daily by Barack Obama is based on a few fraudulent studies of a handful of published papers.

    The only study which actually asked the scientists was done by the American Meteorological Society in 2013. It showed that only 52% of professional members believed the cause of global warming was “mostly human.” Among professional forecasters, the number was closer to 38%. No group came anywhere close to 97%.

    https://realclimatescience.com/the-52-consensus/

  91. Nelson Kidd-Players

    Like Michelle Jenneke? That’s one…

  92. cohenite

    You’re so stupid wriggles; the 97% figure comes from the Cook paper I linked to above. Tony is talking about another survey, done in a more methodologically correct way. As I said Tony subscribes to the LM analysis of the Cook paper which found it gave by it’s own protocols a 1% consensus.

  93. sdfc

    Cohenite

    The Gore case adjudicated on the consequences of alarmism and found none.

    Where did the court make a judgement on the science dopey? Should be easy.

    Let’s see if you understood your link.

  94. JC

    Oh okay. I’m stupid because I wasn’t aware of that paper but read about the other one cited on his blog, which all point to the same thing. That Cook was a total fraud.

    You really are a fraud.

  95. egg_

    sdfc
    #2911970, posted on January 19, 2019 at 10:48 pm

    Troll.

  96. Leo G

    No Stephan-Boltzmann and satellite measurement of outgoing IR along with accurate measurement of total solar irradiation, TSI, all provide both the quantities and method of calculating the EEB.

    The Stefan-Boltzmann Law relates to an idealised model of the earth, further adapted by introducing an artificial radiation surface concept. Its parameters, for the most part, can’t be tested by measurement.

  97. cohenite

    Where did the court make a judgement on the science

    I said the consequences you piece of shit. What consequences did it find idiot.

  98. JC

    ….can’t be tested by measurement.

    But, but Cronkite implies this sort of thing can be measured.

  99. cohenite

    I wasn’t aware of that paper but read about the other one cited on his blog, which all point to the same thing. That Cook was a total fraud.

    Ok, we’ll agree on that.

  100. cohenite

    The Stefan-Boltzmann Law relates to an idealised model of the earth

    No it doesn’t; it’s a precise method of measuring the radiation from any surface dependent on the temperature of the surface.

  101. JC

    Ok, we’ll agree on that.

    Yea, but you knew that anyway. You just brought up the other paper to some demonstrate how up there you are.How knowledgeable. You think we don’t know most of your cheap tricks by now?

  102. egg_

    sdfc
    #2911970, posted on January 19, 2019 at 10:48 pm

    Compare and contrast IR of water vapour and CO2.
    What was the original estimate of CO2’s in Ekholm’s day – higher or lower than today?

    NASA – Water Vapor Confirmed as Major Player in Climate Change 17/11/2008

  103. cohenite

    Its parameters, for the most part, can’t be tested by measurement.

    That’ll come as a disappointment to NASA and its satellite program which used SB to calculate the temperature of the Moon, Mars and any space bodies. FMD.

  104. sdfc

    I said the consequences you piece of shit. What consequences did it find idiot.

    So dopey, you acknowledge the science behind global warming is robust but can feel it in your waters that it won’t be a problem. You’re a plodder, come back to me when you have an argument.

  105. cohenite

    You think we don’t know most of your cheap tricks by now

    My tricks aren’t cheap wriggles.

  106. JC

    In any event the person that really took Cook out in the first few seconds of the first round was that Dutch dude who’s expertise is econometrics. I’m out of town and don’t have his blog handy and can’t recall his name. Cook lost all his feathers. Totally plucked.

  107. Memoryvault

    he Stefan-Boltzmann Law relates to an idealised model of the earth,

    Stefan-Boltzmann Free Energy Oven

  108. egg_

    Actually who is in charge of the global temp record that would satisfy a court?

    Not Al Gore, whose film An Inconvenient Truth was found to be untruthful in 12 points of law.

  109. cohenite

    you acknowledge the science behind global warming is robust

    The Gore case did not test the science of alarmism of which there is none but by agreement only whether the consequences alleged to result from alarmism as depicted in gore’s film were real as claimed by gore: the case found none of the consequences were real. So we were left with a scientific theory which had no consequences.

    You really are a stupid little troll aren’t you. Do better.

  110. sdfc

    All which makes the court case irrelevant to the science Dopey.

  111. egg_

    the science behind global warming is robust

    How far are we today from the peak sea level of the last interglacial?
    What is the maximum possible sea level?

  112. sdfc

    NASA – Water Vapor Confirmed as Major Player in Climate Change 17

    That’s not new Egg, but well done anyway. Higher global temperatures increase water vapour.

  113. cohenite

    In any event the person that really took Cook out in the first few seconds of the first round was that Dutch dude who’s expertise is econometrics. I’m out of town and don’t have his blog handy and can’t recall his name. Cook lost all his feathers. Totally plucked.

    The PR rebuttal of the cook 97% effort was the paper Climate Consensus and ‘Misinformation’: A Rejoinder to Agnotology, Scientific Consensus, and the Teaching and Learning of Climate Change

  114. egg_

    This low rent troll is thicker than Grigs.

  115. cohenite

    Higher global temperatures increase water vapour.

    They increase the potential of the atmosphere to hold more air but measures of humidity and evaporation contradict this. Impress us and tell us the equation that describes the relationship between the temperature of air and its capacity to hold water.

  116. sdfc

    What is the maximum possible sea level?

    I don’t know, but then again I’m not the one saying the consensus is wrong. How well qualified to challenge it?

  117. egg_

    Higher global temperatures increase water vapour.

    Chicken or egg?

  118. cohenite

    I don’t know

    True but you’re a troll so you’ll persist.

  119. egg_

    A) A mere 7 m
    B) 160 ft – not 100 m

  120. sdfc

    High school science Cohenite. Did you drop out in year 10? Stop pretending to know what you’re talking abut. It’s embarrassing.

  121. cohenite

    High school science Cohenite

    Not really, it was first year uni for me; but I’ll take that as a no.

  122. egg_

    A) A mere 7 m

    Actually 5-7 m, at 2 mm/yr av. = ?

  123. Memoryvault

    the science behind global warming is robust

    FIFY

  124. sdfc

    Cohenite.

    By all means. Post a paper and a quick synopsis. Should be a doddle for someone who did a unit of climate science at uni.

  125. jupes

    So dopey, you acknowledge the science behind global warming is robust

    Only a gullible fool would believe anything so stupid.

    Never go full retard.

  126. egg_

    climate science

    Oxymoron, just like rubber chicken.

  127. Muddy

    Bear Necessities.

    Condolences from a complete stranger for your recent loss.

  128. MatrixTransform

    Excuse me Mr Rutherford, have you by chance seen Mr Con Census?

    You see sir, he’s desperately needed to settle an argument.

    What?

    Murdered you say?

    …in the conservatory.

    Good Lord!

  129. Nob

    mh
    #2911962, posted on January 19, 2019 at 10:41 pm
    Donald J. Trump
    Donald J. Trump
    @realDonaldTrump
    ·
    10m
    Will be leaving for Dover to be with the families of 4 very special people who lost their lives in service to our Country!

    Dover? As in the white cliffs of Doverh

    There are several Dovers in USA but he probably means Dover, Delaware.

    There’s an air force base there.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dover,_Delaware

  130. cohenite

    By all means. Post a paper and a quick synopsis

    Troll tactics 101; make a stupid challenge, get called out and then demand the other side provide the details. You said increasing temps cause more water; tell us the mechanism shithead.

  131. old bloke

    Liz,

    You asked earlier for opinions about the Arthur show on SBS last night. I didn’t see all of it, missed the opening segment and left before the end, but what I saw was interesting.

    Review:

    Downside: Too much emphasis placed on Geoffrey of Monmouth’s fairy story, particularly regarding archaeology at Tintagel. Geoffrey, a Welshman, obviously wanted to paint the newcomers in a poor light. Unless she mentioned it earlier, there was no mention of much earlier legends of Arthur (Artgur) around 500 AD in the Y Gododdin. Also, no mention (circa 890 AD) of Ohthere (Uther?) visiting Alfred the Great, nor the Welsh Annals circa 913 which mentioned that Jarl Ohthere came. As I said, I missed the beginning of the program so she may have spoken of the earlier records too.

    Positives: Generally, it was an interesting program. She blew holes in Geoffrey’s legends of major wars betweens the Brits and the newcomers, and highlighted proofs which show that the newcomers settled down with the Brits, and after a while, they merged (in the north-east and south east Britain). Hume’s The History of England says much the same, the Brits went to Germany and offered land around Essex to the Angles and Saxons to migrate to defend them from the marauding Scots. That turned into a mass migration of the Angles, the Saxons, the Jutes, Hessians, Frisians and others. There is no proof of a mass slaughter of the Brits by the newcomers.

    I read your Quadrant article, thanks for the link (quite interesting). You mentioned visiting a burial mound in Uppsala, was that Ohthere’s Barrow? Drawing a long bow here, but Vendelcrow could have been the grandfather (generations?) of Jarl Ohthere. Appreciated your linguistics theories (no argument) but I’d suggest that amongst the various possible spellings of Odin I’d include adoni. Both the Scylfings (ancient Swedish/Norwegian royalty) and the Scyldings (ancient Danish royalty) were, according to Scandinavian legend, full brothers, both sons of Odin. The Sages say that the [email protected] Naphtalites moved to Norway, and Dan moved to Denmark (Dan’s mark, i.e., Dan’s border). They were both full sons of Bilhah and Jacob, who would have been referred to respectfully as Adoni (Lord).

  132. mh

    Thanks, Nob.

    I did look at the twitter comments, which are full retard as usual, and it relates to the ISIS attack in the week apparently, a story which I did not follow.

  133. struth

    These gullible fucks that believe what socialist bureaucracy tells them do so because they want to believe.

    Despite the polar bears still here and the ice still there and the dams full and the temperature no different and no increase in storms or cyclones , no islands sinking , and the actual UN so panicked by global warming that it doesn’t give a shit about the hundreds of coal power station being built if it ain’t in the west.
    You’ve really got to ask yourself , are they thick or are they willing to bring their own civilization to it’s knees just to virtue signal.

  134. Memoryvault

    I came in late. Why are we having this conversation anyway?
    These battles were fought and lost a decade ago.
    Propaganda won, science lost.

    In a way it is sort of amusing, in a sad sort of way, to see a leftie like sdfc spouting crapola initially invented by Margaret Thatcher, to aid in her fight to destroy the coal mining unions and get nuclear power accepted in the UK.

    Do useful fools like sdfc even realise they are spouting propaganda created for the Iron Lady to destroy a powerful trade union?

  135. Nob

    People only listen to experts they agree with.

    Real experts are generally consulted privately, they’re not public figures.

    I can put our greenie trolls in touch with plenty of drilling and fracking experts if they’re genuinely interested.

    But everyone of them that I’ve met would rather believe the “flaming water tap” video that even the film makers admit was nothing to do with gas drilling.

    Even if they start with genuine questions they just impatiently interrupt with irrelevant “gotcha” type comments because they don’t have a clue about “the science”, they just know what their ideological line is.

  136. Leo G

    That’ll come as a disappointment to NASA and its satellite program which used SB to calculate the temperature of the Moon, Mars and any space bodies. FMD.

    Not at all. NASA would have used infrared measurement and microwave radiometry to determine surface temperatures for bodies like the Moon and Mars- which by the way have very little atmospheres to confound the calculation. The infra red measurements would require some information about the material properties at the surface. Of course, having vehicle landings helps with calibration.
    It also helps to have knowledge of the energy flux at the same place as the temperature is measured.

  137. old bloke

    Went into moderation, try again…

    Liz,

    You asked earlier for opinions about the Arthur show on SBS last night. I didn’t see all of it, missed the opening segment and left before the end, but what I saw was interesting.

    Review:

    Downside: Too much emphasis placed on Geoffrey of Monmouth’s fairy story, particularly regarding archaeology at Tintagel. Geoffrey, a Welshman, obviously wanted to paint the newcomers in a poor light. Unless she mentioned it earlier, there was no mention of much earlier legends of Arthur (Artgur) around 500 AD in the Y Gododdin. Also, no mention (circa 890 AD) of Ohthere (Uther?) visiting Alfred the Great, nor the Welsh Annals circa 913 which mentioned that Jarl Ohthere came. As I said, I missed the beginning of the program so she may have spoken of the earlier records too.

    Positives: Generally, it was an interesting program. She blew holes in Geoffrey’s legends of major wars betweens the Brits and the newcomers, and highlighted proofs which show that the newcomers settled down with the Brits, and after a while, they merged (in the north-east and south east Britain). Hume’s The History of England says much the same, the Brits went to Germany and offered land around Essex to the Angles and Saxons to migrate to defend them from the marauding Scots. That turned into a mass migration of the Angles, the Saxons, the Jutes, Hessians, Frisians and others. There is no proof of a mass slaughter of the Brits by the newcomers.

    I read your Quadrant article, thanks for the link (quite interesting). You mentioned visiting a burial mound in Uppsala, was that Ohthere’s Barrow? Drawing a long bow here, but Vendelcrow could have been the grandfather (generations?) of Jarl Ohthere. Appreciated your linguistics theories (no argument) but I’d suggest that amongst the various possible spellings of Odin I’d include adoni. Both the Scylfings (ancient Swedish/Norwegian royalty) and the Scyldings (ancient Danish royalty) were, according to Scandinavian legend, full brothers, both sons of Odin. The Sages say that the Naphtalites moved to Norway, and Dan moved to Denmark (Dan’s mark, i.e., Dan’s border). They were both full sons of Bilhah and Jacob, who would have been referred to respectfully as Adoni (Lord).

  138. struth

    I once saw a lefty student journalist come out on a tour to meet aboriginal people and when they themselves told her how much money they made out of royalties she told them they were liars and stormed out saying. …..everyone knows aboriginal people are the poorest and most disadvantaged in the country…..you are liars.
    She wasn’t going to have her narrative of aboriginal people spoilt by aboriginal people! .

  139. Memoryvault

    they just impatiently interrupt with irrelevant “gotcha” type comments because they don’t have a clue about “the science”, they just know what their ideological line is.

    +100 Nob.

  140. MatrixTransform

    Hey Struth, hope yr shoulder’s better.

    So many people have so many ‘pinions about what it’s really like for the aboriginal.

    They never lived in Lakes Entrance, or Ernabella, or Narrabri … but they sure do have a lot of knowledge about how things really work.

  141. Memoryvault

    She wasn’t going to have her narrative of
    aboriginal people spoilt by aboriginal people! .

    FactCheck = True

  142. struth

    You can’t use facts with lefties.
    We just need to rid the world of these vile self indulgent ignorant fucks.
    Pack them all up and if they really believe this shit they can all migrate to the poles because it’s now ice free and lovely and warm.

  143. struth

    Shoulder is much better thank you..

    Western medicine/surgery. ….gotta love it.

  144. MatrixTransform

    Western medicine/surgery. ….gotta love it.

    racist

  145. old bloke

    Went into moderation, try again…

    Liz,

    You asked earlier for opinions about the Arthur show on SBS last night. I didn’t see all of it, missed the opening segment and left before the end, but what I saw was interesting.

    Review:

    Downside: Too much emphasis placed on Geoffrey of Monmouth’s fairy story, particularly regarding archaeology at Tintagel. Geoffrey, a Welshman, obviously wanted to paint the newcomers in a poor light. Unless she mentioned it earlier, there was no mention of much earlier legends of Arthur (Artgur) around 500 AD in the Y Gododdin. Also, no mention (circa 890 AD) of Ohthere (Uther?) visiting Alfred the Great, nor the Welsh Annals circa 913 which mentioned that Jarl Ohthere came. As I said, I missed the beginning of the program so she may have spoken of the earlier records too.

    Positives: Generally, it was an interesting program. She blew holes in Geoffrey’s legends of major wars betweens the Brits and the newcomers, and highlighted proofs which show that the newcomers settled down with the Brits, and after a while, they merged (in the north-east and south east Britain). Hume’s The History of England says much the same, the Brits went to Germany and offered land around Essex to the Angles and Saxons to migrate to defend them from the marauding Scots. That turned into a mass migration of the Angles, the Saxons, the Jutes, Hessians, Frisians and others. There is no proof of a mass slaughter of the Brits by the newcomers.

    I read your Quadrant article, thanks for the link (quite interesting). You mentioned visiting a burial mound in Uppsala, was that Ohthere’s Barrow? Drawing a long bow here, but Vendelcrow could have been the grandfather (generations?) of Jarl Ohthere. Appreciated your linguistics theories (no argument) but I’d suggest that amongst the various possible spe llings of Odin I’d include adoni. Both the Scylfings (ancient Swedish/Norwegian royalty) and the Scyldings (ancient Danish royalty) were, according to Scandinavian legend, full brothers, both sons of Odin. The Sages say that the Naphtalites moved to Norway, and Dan moved to Denmark (Dan’s mark, i.e., Dan’s border). They were both full sons of Bilhah and Jacob, who would have been referred to respectfully as Adoni (Lord).

  146. struth

    Even worse I am a white male.
    I would have been here sooner but I was busy murdering and ra ping people down at the park.

  147. MatrixTransform

    the Angles, the Saxons, the Jutes, Hessians, Frisians and others

    omg…racist

  148. MatrixTransform

    I should go to bed … before I run outta whiskey

  149. Memoryvault

    I would have been here sooner but I was busy
    murdering and ra ping people down at the park.

    Just so long as you weren’t smoking at the time, Struth.

  150. MatrixTransform

    struth is a muso…and aspiring rapper

  151. struth

    Just so long as you weren’t smoking at the time, Struth.

    I didn’t check.

  152. Zyconoclast

    President Donald Trump at the Pentagon on Thursday unveiled the administration’s Missile Defense Review, a blueprint that will guide the nation’s missile defense policies, strategies, and capabilities for the next decade.

    https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/01/17/trump-unveils-plan-missile-threats/

  153. EvilElvis

    Loved him fat or slim.

    That’s a relief. Thank you very, muuuch…

  154. Top Ender

    OB and Lizzie, what’s your take on the 5th century fortifications atop Cadbury Hill?

  155. Steve trickler.

    This bloke can compose.

    Repeat.



  156. There are several Dovers in USA but he probably means Dover, Delaware.
    There’s an air force base there.

    Dover Air Force Base is the point of arrival into mainland USA for all servicemen KIA overseas.
    Hence Trump will be there with the families as their loved one arrives.

  157. Oh come on

    This discussion with sdfc is boring as hell. I blame sdfc.

  158. Oh come on

    Shorter sdfc: signs arse ettled u r sooo dumb lol

  159. Tom

    Where to begin? Maybe here – in a splendid Week In Pictures.

  160. Pete of Perth

    We apologise for this break in transmission.

  161. Pete of. Perth

    Maybe the grid has collapsed in the East.

  162. Baldrick

    Thanks Tom. The Keith Richards 10 year challenge – chuckle, chuckle, snort.

  163. bespoke

    Out of context Stimps. And would you kill someone who maybe a nut later on or is it better change to change some other circumstances.

  164. bespoke

    Mark A
    #2912059, posted on January 20, 2019 at 2:01 am

    He!

  165. calli

    Sooo much goodness in this week’s WIP.

    The Boss

    Trolling at the Cat

  166. lotocoti

    Jebus.
    No wonder it all ended in tears.

  167. Trump to propose DACA for wall funding. Who was it on here telling me this was a non-starter?

    Now it’s a race to see who can kill it first, Limbaugh or Pelosi.

  168. Boambee John

    m0nty

    Can you bring us up to date on that Buzzfeed story on Cohen?

  169. Bruce of Newcastle

    Who was it on here telling me this was a non-starter?

    I pointed out that Pelosi had already explicitly rejected this proposal in December.
    I did not say it was a non-starter, although she certainly dug a hole for other Dems want it.

  170. Entropy

    My favourite GoT character is Ygritte.

  171. Exit Stage Right

    Just watched The Trumpster deliver his major announcement on immigration and the Southern border barrier. Live on Breitbart. All good stuff with a main aim of wedging the Democrats and that loon Pelosi.
    Lets see the MSM pull his comments to shreds and twist everything he said.
    Sorry, no link at this stage.

  172. calli

    Aunty has “compromise” in their Breaking banner.

    Just love the scare quotes. We’ll see.

  173. calli

    They wanted compromise, they get compromise. Now watch them not want compromise.

    Never compromise.

  174. Snoopy

    Compromise is no money for the wall and ending the shutdown.

  175. Empire 5:5

    Trump to propose DACA for wall funding. Who was it on here telling me this was a non-starter?

    Three year extension for 700,000.

    Cocaine Mitch will bring the bill this week. Wall funding not negotiable.

  176. Leigh Lowe

    Tom

    #2912064, posted on January 20, 2019 at 4:01 am

    Where to begin? Maybe here – in a splendid Week In Pictures.

    The headline alone was worth the price of admission.
    Hilarious.

  177. Snoopy

    TheirABC. Corrupting school kids is what they do.

    Kids Suing Trump

  178. stackja

    Police rule out theory Aiia was stalked as man charged with her murder
    ANTHONY DOWSLEY AND MONIQUE HORE, Sunday Herald Sun
    January 19, 2019 9:30pm
    Subscriber only

    Murdered exchange student Aiia Maasarwe was allegedly the victim of a random attack and died of brutal head injuries.

    The Sunday Herald Sun can reveal the 21-year-old was not stalked on her tram trip home but was allegedly spotted for the first time by wannabe rapper-turned-accused killer Codey Herrmann moments after she stepped off a tram at Bundoora.

    Ms Maasarwe was allegedly [email protected] and murdered just after midnight on Wednesday.

    Certain details of the [email protected] were so gruesome police asked that they be removed from court documents.

    Leading Sen-Constable Craig Williams told the court: “I don’t think it would be appropriate that be released.

    “Some of the specific words in there aren’t known to the family.’’

    Mr Herrmann was on police bail at the time of Ms Maasarwe’s death.

    He recently faced a string of charges, including car theft, careless driving and criminal damage.

    Mr Herrmann — whose mother died when he was young — had been living rough.

  179. Trump offers an olive branch to Dems which they refuse. He then has the green light to act unilaterally. Well played.

  180. Leigh Lowe

    Mr Herrmann — whose mother died when he was young — had been living rough.

    And so it begins.
    The tale of two victims.

  181. Baldrick

    TheirABC. Corrupting school kids is what they do.
    Kids Suing Trump

    Really, a 9 year old is so politically astute he has the wherewithal the commence legal proceedings or is this just another case of Leftard child abuse?

  182. Nick

    Mr Herrmann — whose mother died when he was young — had been living rough.

    It’s coming, the ‘aspiring rapper’ who will become an oppressed indigene at his trial.

  183. Stimpson J. Cat

    Out of context Stimps. And would you kill someone who maybe a nut later on or is it better change to change some other circumstances.

    In what context would someone talk about Baby Hitler at an anti abortion rally?
    I mean, why?
    Who the f$ck actually thinks about Hitler as a baby?
    Or killing a baby?
    Or killing Hitler?
    I’m supposed to be the crazy one here.
    You sane people I swear.

  184. min

    I was talking with my neighbour an emeritus professor of economics who said that Australia’s problem was not enough conservative elites. Comments?
    My prognosis is the majority are too lazy, too apathetic and are easily fooled by propaganda.

  185. Snoopy

    TheirABC

    Women’s March returns to US cities to maintain pressure against President Trump

    No mention of the numbers marching. I think we can assume another Trump victory.

  186. Pelosi: Trump proposals to reopen government a ‘non-starter’

    LOL.

  187. herodotus

    Miranda Devine gets stuck in today about the campaign against masculinity. Here’s a bit of it, highlighting what must be another marched-through institution.

    Laying the groundwork for an escalation of hostilities, the American Psychological Association last week issued an extraordinary call to arms, declaring “traditional masculinity is psychologically harmful”.

    In its “Guidelines for Psychological Practice With Boys and Men”, the APA claimed “traditional masculinity — marked by stoicism, competitiveness, dominance and aggression — is, on the whole, harmful”.

    It decried masculine attributes of “anti-femininity, achievement, eschewal of the appearance of weakness, and adventure, risk, and violence”.

  188. Snoopy

    min
    #2912116, posted on January 20, 2019 at 9:26 am
    I was talking with my neighbour an emeritus professor of economics who said that Australia’s problem was not enough conservative elites. Comments?

    Did your economist neighbour propose solutions? Government subsidies? Quotas?

  189. 2dogs

    Hume’s The History of England says much the same, the Brits went to Germany and offered land around Essex to the Angles and Saxons to migrate to defend them from the marauding Scots [sic – you mean Picts]. That turned into a mass migration of the Angles, the Saxons, the Jutes, Hessians, Frisians and others.

    This story ultimately comes from Bede, who had an agenda: get the Angles to fight the Picts.

    It is not borne out by the archaeological evidence, which is essentially that the Adventus Angelorum was really a refugee flotilla; they just turned up and started farming. The British Romans could not stop them as they had lost their legions in the first decade of the fifth century, with Honorius not replacing them. The archaeological evidence shows the two groups lived peaceably side by side for some time, even trading with each other.

  190. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    It’s coming, the ‘aspiring rapper’ who will become an oppressed indigene at his trial.

    The “colonization” and “Stolen Generation” cards will be played early and often. If only he’d had a “voice” in Parliament..

  191. Leigh Lowe

    Women’s March returns to US cities to maintain pressure against President Trump

    No mention of the numbers marching. I think we can assume another Trump victory.

    Someone posted here a couple of weeks ago that a pussy bonnet parade in California had been cancelled because it would be “too white”.
    Which is code for “too small” I think.

  192. Trump essentially upgraded his offer from nothing to nothing, as recent court opinion makes the DACA stuff moot. So it’s a meaningless trick to fool the media.

  193. Leigh Lowe

    Monty.
    Mueller says the Buzzfeed story is bullshit.
    Please essplain!

  194. Leigh Lowe

    Why doesn’t President Hilary dooo something?
    No, wait …
    Sorry, I was dreaming.

  195. Nick

    I just don’t ‘get’ modern society at all:
    Gender discrimination is abhorrent, except if you’re male
    Racism of any kind and judging people on race is abhorrent except if I can tell you what percentage my DNA is of a non-white group, then I’m preferred and promoted.

  196. Snoopy

    m0nty
    #2912119, posted on January 20, 2019 at 9:34 am
    Pelosi: Trump proposals to reopen government a ‘non-starter’

    LOL.

    Cats and dogs etc. For once I agree with Monty. Pelosi painting the Democrats into a corner is absolutely hilarious. I trust stood down federal employees share the mirth.

  197. Snoopy

    Monty, what about this outrage. Trump accused by a convicted felon of rigging online polls. Surely that’s grounds for impeachment?

  198. Leigh Lowe

    It’s coming, the ‘aspiring rapper’ who will become an oppressed indigene at his trial.

    The “colonization” and “Stolen Generation” cards will be played early and often. If only he’d had a “voice” in Parliament..

    His mudder died of heat exhaustion on a work-for-the-dole chain gang on a cotton plantation.
    He was ripped from the arms of his dying mother by the corrupt white mayor and put to work as an oarsman in his sea-going galley. He was sexually abused by the white Captain and First Mate until he escaped and swam ashore to Bundoora.

  199. John Constantine

    “An ambitious report on the global food system from a commission convened by the prestigious medical journal The Lancet calls for a radical change in food production—or, as one of the authors put it: “Nothing less than a new global agricultural revolution.”

    It’s the latest research to emphasize that the futures of the climate and human health are deeply intertwined. In order to meaningfully reduce greenhouse gas emissions and stabilize the climate, the world needs a “comprehensive shift” in its diet, the authors say.

    “The dominant diets that the world has been producing and eating for the past 50 years are no longer nutritionally optimal, are a major contributor to climate change, and are accelerating erosion of natural biodiversity,” The Lancet’s editors write in a commentary ”

    Once they get true global communism, nobody will be fat, and everybody will have equal worldwide poverty rations.

    Medicated.

    Then they will focus on population levels of the excess and unrequired.

    Comrades.

    https://insideclimatenews.org/news/16012019/global-food-agriculture-revolution-eat-lancet-commission-climate-change-health-nutrition-report-less-meat

  200. OldOzzie

    Tintarella di Luna
    #2911713, posted on January 19, 2019 at 4:58 pm

    Frank Furedi’s article in the Australia is a sobering one on the poisoning of the male identity:

    From misbehaving boys to violent men: the poisoning of male identity

    Thanks for an excellent article

    Thankfully, all my grandsons have Great Fathers and Both Grandfathers on both sides for 3 lots of Grandsons, and all attending Single Sex Male Schools from Year 3 Primary as did I, with my Mother as a Single Parent, and had Great Male Teachers besides the Total Support of my Mother (although given all the accidents I had as a kid, I am not sure how she survived the disasters I created).

    PS How did you get such a long Article past the Spaminator – I have Hit and Miss

  201. Nick

    His mudder died of heat exhaustion on a work-for-the-dole chain gang on a cotton plantation.
    He was ripped from the arms of his dying mother by the corrupt white mayor and put to work as an oarsman in his sea-going galley. He was sexually abused by the white Captain and First Mate until he escaped and swam ashore to Bundoora.

    White colonisers 200 years ago stopped him of living a utopian life that involved respect for transsexual elders, women and wildlife.

  202. John Constantine

    Reports of global industrial chemical conglomerates sponsoring the frankenfoods meatless hellhole world eat-lancet agenda.

    Because the world needs only closed loop patent protected centrally planned food production.

    Communes for vegynsys food rations Are Our Strength.

    Comrades.

  203. Snoopy

    The fall of The Lancet is remarkable. Just twelve years ago during Gulf War II it was a trustworthy journal.

  204. P

    Pelosi Statement on Trump Speech

    January 19, 2019
    San Francisco — Speaker Nancy Pelosi issued this statement in advance of the President’s address

  205. Disaster porn from The Lancet.
    Years ago the magnificent achievements of science and farmers, who have provided an abundance of nutritious food for an unimagined world population, would have been lauded, not condemned.

  206. EvilElvis

    Mr Herrmann — whose mother died when he was young — had been living rough.

    Right. “We live in Australia which has more taxpayer resources thrown at the homeless, child welfare and indigenous than you can imagine. In our outcomes based public service there is much hand wringing and virtue signalling, yet not one public servant has intervened in this ‘mans’ life to an acceptable community standard. All PS managers and staff, no matter how minutely involved with this case over his life will be absolved of their positions, taxpayer funded super and will be ineligible for future taxpayer funded positions, government or otherwise. The same applies to the law enforcement officials, magistrates, judges, parole board and any person who has advocated for this poor man. A woman has paid for your ineptitude with her life, a young man has forfeited his through his enabled deeds. Your burden is less but may God never let you forget it.”

    Any polly prepared to take up the fight? Anyone, anyone? Bueller?…

  207. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    His mudder died of heat exhaustion on a work-for-the-dole chain gang on a cotton plantation.

    The rest of his family perished in the massacre at Mistake creek – the massacre which Aboriginal folk lore claimed was perpetrated by a group of settlers, led by a man, who had actually been dead for some years at the time.

  208. OldOzzie

    DrBeauGan
    #2911723, posted on January 19, 2019 at 5:12 pm

    I note that small boys don’t get bullied physically by other small boys any more. They get bullied emotionally by women teachers instead.

    It isn’t clear to me that this is an improvement.

    DrBeauGan,

    as a boy from single parent mother household, the Nuns and I never got on (could be that fed up with Tit Tale Girls dobbing us in to the Nuns, with a mate, we led our 1st class of boys out the gate at 1100 and went fishing down at Neutral Bay, getting back to school quite late – for some unknown reason we were in deep do-do)

    I moved to Marist Brothers in Year 3 Primary and had Great Male Teachers.

    All my Grandsons have gone/are going to Single Sex Male Schools in Year 3 Primary and at least half the teachers are Male – the standout for me is Grandsons in Melbourne where Male Principal in Primary School stands at the Gate in the morning and greets every boy and knows all their names. I have attended Primary School Assemblies in Melbourne and have been impressed by their excellence, efficiency and discipline.

    The Elder Grandson in Melbourne is in High School and I commented to his Father over Xmas/New Year, as they were up in Sydney with us, that he, as a teenager had impressed me with his dedication to study, sport and being helpful with his younger male cousins, he was maturing well as is my eldest Grandson, who has my and his Father’s love of History and reading books.

    Having grown up in a Single Prent household with a great job done by my Mother and my Male Teachers, as I said to Tintarella di Luna above, “Thankfully, all my grandsons have Great Fathers and Both Grandfathers on both sides for 3 lots of Grandsons, and all attending Single Sex Male Schools from Year 3 Primary as did I”

  209. Leigh Lowe

    The fall of The Lancet is remarkable. Just twelve years ago during Gulf War II it was a trustworthy journal.

    You forgot your /sarc.

  210. Boambee John

    m0nty
    #2912119, posted on January 20, 2019 at 9:34 am
    Pelosi: Trump proposals to reopen government a ‘non-starter’

    LOL.

    To borrow a phrase, well she would say that, wouldn’t she.

    She has painted herself into a corner in which the only “compromise” she can accept is her own total victory. We shall see.

    LOL!

  211. Tel

    Trump offers an olive branch to Dems which they refuse. He then has the green light to act unilaterally. Well played.

    Yup, start deporting … always escalate. The DACA law failed to pass Congress on multiple occasions, so Obama illegally went on with it using his pen and phone. That means Trump can do the same in reverse.

  212. Tel

    The same applies to the law enforcement officials, magistrates, judges, parole board and any person who has advocated for this poor man. A woman has paid for your ineptitude with her life, a young man has forfeited his through his enabled deeds.

    We’ve made some small progress from blaming all men … down to blaming a fairly large number of public servants. That’s got me off the hook at least.

  213. mh

    Trump must now declare a national emergency and build the wall.

    No more fvcking around.

  214. Pelosi’s response to Trump’s offer sort of gives the game away.

    More immigration judges.

    Now why would you need more if you intend on stopping large numbers of illegal entries?
    Nancy knows her plan is a dud but only Monty believes.

  215. Boambee John

    John Constantine

    Once they get true global communism, nobody will be fat, and everybody will have equal worldwide poverty rations.

    Not everybody. Those who make massive personal sacrifices to be part of the new nomenklatura will be forced to accept additional food to ensure that they can continue with their arduous duties.

    OTOH, m0nty will be slim and svelte.

  216. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Someone put this up a few pages back and I think it is worth linking to again. It looks at fatherhood in an anthropological and evolutionary perspective. I’ve been drawing on this perspective from another angle, that of religion, to explain the rise and significance of father hood and father gods in human history. Tell every dad you know how essential the science of evolutionary psychology is showing him to be to his children. They need a pat on the back, every day not just Father’s Day.

  217. Boambee John

    John Constantine
    #2912143, posted on January 20, 2019 at 9:54 am
    Reports of global industrial chemical conglomerates sponsoring the frankenfoods meatless hellhole world eat-lancet agenda.

    Because the world needs only closed loop patent protected centrally planned food production.

    Communes for vegynsys food rations Are Our Strength.

    Comrades.

    So, are you saying that certain types of genetically modified foods will suddenly become acceptable, and Monsanto will become the saviors of the world?

  218. Nick

    More immigration judges.

    She knows that one day the Dems will be able to pick their own.

  219. JC:

    How do do you know they weren’t doctored? The post office dude with the thermo at the back of the store could have just made that shit up, 100 years ago. If it was hot and part of my job was to record daily temps, I know, knowing me, I would have made that shit up instead of walking outside at the exact time in that blistering heat. It was useless information anyway at the time.

    You’ve made an assumption, and a very stupid one at that, that other people have the same professional, personal, and moral standards as you.
    Lift your game.

  220. miltonf

    It is hard to think of another time in living memory when politicians have been so spectacularly out of touch with public sentiment – and so sinisterly cavalier about overriding our democratic wishes.

    This is Brendan O’Neil re Brexit and Westminster. Applies very much to the situation in Oz. Actually I think this has been the case for many years (back to Fraser maybe). It’s just so in-your-face now. They don’t think they need to pretend anymore.

  221. Old School Conservative

    stackja
    #2911439, posted on January 19, 2019 at 10:21 am
    Native English speakers ‘will be in the minority in Sydney in a decade’

    Witness the Chinese language advertisements prominently on show at the Australian Open.

  222. JC:

    Look Cronkite, I don’t want to get into this… I’m smarter than you, if sic done more in my life than you and accomplished mush sic more. I know more and I’ve been paid much more. I’m wealthier than you. I’ve done this on my own and not needing any assistance.

    All hail the Great God JC – Lord of the Universe, Master of Humility.
    You walk the same tightrope that every person on this planet does, and one slip from the tasseled white loafer of the Master of the Universe = splat!

  223. miltonf

    I think to Brexit episode has proved the utter uselessness of the royals. The only argument I can see for keeping them here is our own home grown, self appointed ‘royalty’ is even worse.

  224. mh

    In what context would someone talk about Baby Hitler at an anti abortion rally?
    I mean, why?
    Who the f$ck actually thinks about Hitler as a baby?

    Stimpy is right. Shapiro is a moron.

  225. MatrixTransform

    Witness the Chinese language advertisements prominently on show at the Australian Open.

    We are just a Mining Outpost … being pimped for sale as a “Going Concern’

  226. cohenite

    You’ve made an assumption, and a very stupid one at that, that other people have the same professional, personal, and moral standards as you.

    It is an arsehole comment. My family are 6th generation farmers; weather records were vital for them; so it’s was just not a matter of integrity but survival for them.

  227. cohenite

    Winston Smith

    #2912167, posted on January 20, 2019 at 10:40 am

    Lol; head prefect would say that.

  228. Tel

    Because the world needs only closed loop patent protected centrally planned food production.

    Food production = political power.

    Don’t for get that basic equation because you can be sure the socialists have it top of mind at all times.

  229. bespoke

    He was challenging the other sides talking points, mh.

  230. Infidel Tiger

    Shapiro is nowhere near as intelligent as he thinks he is.

  231. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    It is an arsehole comment. My family are 6th generation farmers; weather records were vital for them; so it’s was just not a matter of integrity but survival for them.

    Accurate weather records, going back nearly a hundred years were an invaluable resource to have.

  232. lotocoti

    Years ago the magnificent achievements …

    Don’t you want a bucolic utopia where your ruddy cheeked Gezlettes spend their summer bright days bringing the fruits of Mother Gaia to the Narod?

  233. Dr Faustus

    I assume Morrison is going to sack Kelly O’Dwyer tomorrow and appoint a new Minister for Industrial Relations.

    Surely the Muppet won’t want to go into a May election with a bloated corpse set up a target for the ALP to tell the world that the Coalition doesn’t give a fuck about the wukkas?

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