The Covington Boys

My interest in ideology goes back as far as I can remember. No one can live without ideology. It is a sorting mechanism that gives everyone a perspective on the events of life. In the West, there are at the present two broad ideologies that are at an almost 50-50 division, and its outcome will determine our future as a civilisation. There is on the one hand, the Judeo-Christian ethic that has evolved across the past two millennia and is itself built on the Greek and Roman ethos that goes back further still. It is the basis for our free market economic system and our democratic form of political organisation.

On the other side there is a Marxist-Progressive ideology that has as its base an absurd Utopian perspective that believes all of our social and economic problems would disappear if we rid ourselves of our Judeo-Christian ethic and replaced it with some form of dictatorship of the representatives of the proletariat. Name the problem – racism, inequality, poverty – they will fix it. Just put power into their hands and all will be done. The carriers of this ideological perspective have a track record so abysmal that you can barely believe anyone would admit to believing such vile nonsense, but that’s the role of ideology. Once you accept a perspective on the world, you are impervious to criticism.

Which brings me to The Covington Boys, an issue I thought of as so trivial that it was hardly worth a passing moment. Even if a bunch of high school kids had said some mean things to an Aboriginal American war veteran, it never really seemed much of anything. Yet it is turning out to be a true watershed moment. Here is the summary: YOUR COMPLETE GUIDE TO HOW THE MEDIA TRIED RUINING THE LIVES OF INNOCENT TEENAGERS.

  • The media smelled blood when a video seemingly showed a group of teenage boys bullying an older Native American protester.
  • Newer videos showed that the protester had actually approached the students, who were also receiving slurs shouted by a group of radical activists.
  • The media’s misleading reports happened at a time when the students were facing death threats.

Not stated above is that the boys were attending an anti-abortion rally in Washington while wearing MAGA hats. That they are only high school students meant nothing since any symbol will do for a Progressive-Marxist ideologue. If you would like a longer explanation, you can find it here: Lessons From an Online Lynching (Why #StandWithCovington Is Going Viral).

LET ME NOW ADD THIS:

AND SPEAKING OF ANTI-CHRISTIAN IDEOLOGUES: From Instapundit.

EMERGING? Anti-Christian Ideology Is an Emerging Aspect of White “Progressive” Populism.

Who can forget the avatar of progressive populism himself, Bernie Sanders, in 2017 aggressively grilling a nominee for the Office of Management and Budget over his theological views on the differences between the Christian and Muslim faith? He actually said that the nominee was “not someone who this country is supposed to be about.” And of course Dianne Feinstein famously rebuked Trump judicial nominee Amy Coney Barrett by declaring that the “dogma lives loudly within you, and that’s a concern.”

This week, in response to my defense of Christian education (I attended a Christian college, sent my three kids to a Christian school, and served as the chairman of the school board of their school), an activist started an “Expose Christian Schools” hashtag designed to elicit stories of the terrible things Christian educators do.

As Matt Walsh of the Daily Wire notes, “The Left spent much of last week attacking Karen Pence because she got a job at a Christian school that follows Christian teaching. By the end of the week, #ExposeChristianSchools was trending on Twitter. Then, on Saturday, a false narrative was quickly constructed claiming that a group of students from a Catholic school harassed and taunted a Native American man. I do not think that these events came together coincidentally…The Left hasn’t gone to the trouble of painting Christian schools as dangerous hate factories for no reason. They intend to do something with the fruits of their labor. What that is, exactly, will become clearer very soon.”

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150 Responses to The Covington Boys

  1. stackja

    MSM lying again? I am shocked! Will enough people now stop supporting the MSM? Gillette facing ruin? Soon the MSM?

  2. Critical Mass

    Getting down to brass tacks:
    1. Who sent the video of the incident to the media?
    2. Was the video of the incident edited before or after it was received by the media?

    An answer to those two questions will unravel the truth behind this fraud. It will also expose the perpetrators of the con. It’s a tactical mistake to get sucked into a argument about ideology since lefties are setting the terms of the debate. It’s also muddying the waters.

    The lefty mantra: “Never let the facts get in the way of an ideology.”

  3. The first time that I heard of this a few days ago my alarms bells were ringing. I was just watching to see how this story travelled over the days and sure enough, it was another Leftist media beat up.

    When Trump keeps repeating ‘fake media’ and ‘enemy of the people’, the MSM simply doubles down to prove him right every time.

    Sadly, the Left hasn’t moved on but keeps trying to maintain the falsehood of this story.

  4. pbw

    Mark Steyn has the most pertinent comments on this media lynching.

    His target is the so-called conservatives who piled on without a moment’s hesitation.

    What’s disturbing about this fake hate crime is not that the Twitter mob scented blood in its nostrils and went bounding after its prey, but that a big chunk of Conservative Inc piled on, as enthusiastically as the left…the respectable right cannot even bring itself to forgo the pleasure of getting played for saps. Every time.

  5. Dr Fred Lenin

    The video shows he provoked the boys , now what bunch of teen boys arent going to take the mickey out of an old tosser banging a drum and chanting meaningless gibberish ? Turns out his “veteran hero marine viet nam “ status is seiously doubtfull due to his age ,he was too young to be involved it seems ,next question. Is he really a “nstive american , or a fauxberiginal ,like the red haired blue eyed ones here . The media must be upset ,they cant get away with the lies like they used too ,the net has destroyed their credibility totally and their trade is dying quickly , wont be long before newspapers are a curiosity and tv commentators are a thing of the past ,cant come soon enough .

  6. pbw

    Another example of cowardice below and beyond the call of duty, as reported by the NYT (so treat with caution.)

    In a statement, the Diocese of Covington and Covington Catholic High School condemned the behavior by the students and extended their “deepest apologies” to the elder, as well as to Native Americans in general.

  7. In the West, there are at the present two broad ideologies

    No! No! No!

    This is wrong. There is ONE ideology – the utterly failed ideology of Socialism in its’ many and varied forms – that is trying to tear down and destroy reality.

    It is IDEOLOGY v REALITY. Don’t fall for this “X versus Y” ideological fight crap. Reality is generally understood and upheld by conservatives who are capable of looking back at the past and determining what works and what doesn’t. The left do not do that. They have already decided what works (without evidence) and determined to tear down reality in order to make their utopia.

    This is not an ideological fight. It is why on the right we have very few, if any, single text or Cult of Personality leaders to worship or follow or wave in the air.

    If you were invited to a fancy dress party on the right and on the left what would it look like? Well, maybe the right party would have a few Trump wigs, MAGA hats, maybe a Thatcher or a Lady Liberty but you would struggle really to think of a good representation.

    On the left you could dress up as Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, Lenin, Trotsky, Marx, Chavez, Obama, Che and wave around a Little Red Book or The Communist Manifesto.

    So on the left you dress up as terrorists or mass-murderers, on the right a businessman who is fixing the US or a shopkeepers daughter who fixed the UK (until Labor got back in) or a statue…

    Kind of says it all really.

    ‘MAGA’ – it’s making a COUNTRY (something that has existed, is real and tangible in many forms) great again as it already has been in the past. Not exhortations to follow an ideology that makes wild, impossible promises and to perfect man and always fails with death and suffering. I guess the perfect man for the left is a dead one which is probably why they are always out trying to provoke hatred, mayhem and murder (as the above example shows).

    This is reality vs ideology, literally life v death.
    The Right is Life, the Left is Death.

  8. Cassie of Sydney

    “pbw
    #2914202, posted on January 22, 2019 at 3:15 pm
    Mark Steyn has the most pertinent comments on this media lynching.

    His target is the so-called conservatives who piled on without a moment’s hesitation.

    What’s disturbing about this fake hate crime is not that the Twitter mob scented blood in its nostrils and went bounding after its prey, but that a big chunk of Conservative Inc piled on, as enthusiastically as the left…the respectable right cannot even bring itself to forgo the pleasure of getting played for saps. Every time.”

    Yep, Mark Steyn as always nails it. And talking about “conservatives” who join in on the pile on…it’s the same here in Australia….look at the hysterical pile on a few weeks ago after St Kilda. Whilst of course the media behaved and reported the events on St Kilda beach in their usual biased and fetid way…including The Australian (whose reporting was disgraceful)….the only conservative/libertarian who spoke up for Anning and pointed out the left’s stinking putrid hypocrisy was Senator David Leyonhjelm….all the other so called conservative politicians and commentators either joined in on the lynching of Anning or were so craven that they were deliberately missing in action…hiding behind rocks.

  9. duncanm

    from the vid, 30 seconds in

    .. four african american young men, preaching about the bible and opression

    .

    FFS – they were Black Hebrew Israelites, abusing the kids in all sorts of foul manner.

  10. Dr Fred Lenin

    The story this old tosser claiming to be a native american gave the Detroit paoers is riddled with lies ,he has no credibility at all . Hi s viet nam claims are patently false and his racial origin is questionable .probably a cnn plant. As for the blacks, wonder what the real Israelis think of these racist communist tossersusing the mame Israelite ? Not very impressed Probably. America has its share of dickheads .(like us)!

  11. Iampeter

    This is a good post to demonstrate what a total misunderstanding of politics, our culture and history looks like.
    This is not to have a go at Steve, since almost everyone shares this cargo-cultist view today.

    Firstly, there is no such thing as Judeo-Christian anything. Christianity is the oldest and most successful enemy of Judaism, invented antisemitism and is responsible for all the largest slaughters and pogroms in history.

    Secondly, Christianity is not the “other side” of Marxist-Progressive ideology, but its predecessor.
    Marxism and fascism are the logical conclusion of Christian altruism. If you think even a single person should be sacrificed for some greater good, then mass expropriation, slaughter, death camps and gulags is what you’re going to get.

    The ACTUAL alternative to the mystical collectivism of Christianity and its secular descendants in the progressive movement, is reason and individualism.

    These are the ideas that built Western Civilization and are not represented in mainstream politics today.

    So, all we see in these issues are, profoundly ignorant leftists, wearing MAGA hats vs much smarter leftists.
    But make no mistake, all of the people involved in today’s race to the bottom are just different brands of leftists.

  12. pbw

    I get newsletters from The Oz with story summaries, a hangover from when I used to subscribe. Here’s what The Oz says about Covington.

    Video of a US teen wearing a ‘Make America Great Again’ hat apparently mocking a Native American elder has gone viral on social media, inflaming outrage against the teen. But further footage of the encounter shows a much more complex picture.

    No. That’s not what it shows at all. It shows that the original video, and the follow-up interviews with the drummer, were deliberate lies. Still, it is click-bait. Maybe the story in print is more direct.

  13. LGS

    An awful (“awful” in every sense) lot of people should be utterly ashamed of themselves over this business.
    Especially the human vermin making death threats against the boys and their families, or suggesting they should be targeted or killed.

  14. Confused Old Misfit

    The utter and complete corruption of the American media again exposed in all its ugliness.
    I’m concerned and appalled by the viciousness of the attacks on these kids being made by so called rational (and respected by some) adults.
    The level of pure hatred exhibited by people is irrational. I can fully appreciate why, if living in the US, one would feel better going about carrying a pistol.
    Full credit must go to that young man, Sandmann was his surname, I believe. His calmness in the face of provocation was exemplary.
    In earlier an century he would have easily made Midshipman or Ensign.

  15. IainC

    (Also posted on Blair. Steyn’s analysis was indeed great, as many have pointed out.)
    Anatomy of a social medium assassination.
    12 noon. Co-ordinated activist media outlets release doctored/edited/out of context/fake video/photo of target with imaginary accusations and fabricated evidence in associated text.
    12.01. Vast twitter juggernaut proceeds to accuse, try, convict, sentence and condemn culprit.
    12.02. Process completed.
    12.03. Cowardly employer/school/sports team issues grovelling apology, distancing themselves from a colleague they have known for 20 years, along with notice of immediate sacking.
    12.04. Mainstream media repeats all of allegations in full, with follow-up condemnatory editorials.
    12.05. Target is shown weeping as he/she is dragged away from all facets of modern civilization into purgatory, stripped of every shred of human dignity. “And good riddance to that racist/sexist/homophobe/other” they all cry.
    12.06. Lone investigator reveals the falsehood of the scam in full, gruesome detail, revealing that not a single piece of evidence or its interpretation is true.
    12.07. Social media juggernaut moves to another topic. Other media print a one line apology in midst of obituaries column.
    12.08+2 years. Shattered target starts to regain a measure of re-equilibrium after finding a job sweeping autumn leaves for the council and reuniting with his estranged family. (IainC of The Ponds)

  16. a happy little debunker

    Biden says Trump has ‘awakened hate’ and legitimized a resurgence of racism in America.

    What Biden doesn’t say is that the hate and racism is pouring unfettered from the political left.

    Also,
    SEE IT: Covington Catholic High students in blackface at past basketball game
    More proof of these student’s ongoing racism?

  17. Let’s face it. It would be impossible for the boys to have “taunted” the Indian. He was playing a primitive drum and jibbering in their faces, a symbol of his culture and music.

    For the boys to do the same they would require a full 100 piece orchestra with astoundingly complex engineered instruments of all varieties playing a delightful 17th Century Baroque masterpiece, perhaps a cantata with a soprano, tenor and alto relating a love story that would enrapture people for hours and played in a 14th Century gothic cathedral (rather than a teepee).

    That is, after all, a symbol of their culture and music.

    But that of course was the point of what the Indian was doing.

    “My culture is just as important as yours!
    BANG BANG BANG! Jibberjabberjibberjabber!
    If I bang my drum and jibberjabber in your face I won’t feel so embarrassed that my backward culture was usurped by a vastly superior one that has brought me innumerable and immeasurable benefits.
    BANG BANG BANG! Jibberjabberjibberjabber!
    And if I make it look like my shitty culture is being oppressed I will get even more benefits from you as there are so many deadshits that are hell bent on destroying your own vastly superior culture that they will…
    BANG BANG BANG! Jibberjabberjibberjabber!
    in your faces on my behalf!
    And then extract even more money and apologies from you so that I can make some shitty drums for other people to wander around and…
    BANG BANG BANG! Jibberjabberjibberjabber!
    in your faces as you bow and scrape to my shitty backward culture and apologise and compensate me for your vastly superior culture.”

    Same shit happens here with our indigenes.

  18. Beachcomber

    But further footage of the encounter shows a much more complex picture.

    The ABC are also covering up using CNN’s smokescreen of obfuscations and omissions. They are hoping that their malicious lies about a group of Catholic school students will be forgotten.

  19. Geriatric Mayfly

    BANG BANG BANG! Jibberjabberjibberjabber!

    The old goat really did wander off the reservation. He was in the general area as part of an Indian pow wow, but somehow insinuated himself into a crowd of teenagers waiting for a bus to Kentucky. Wonder what attracted his attention and prompted him to strike up the drum.

  20. Old School Conservative

    I trust the judgement of the (now forgotten) commentator who said the whole anti-Covington pile on was a precursor to the next Supreme Court pick by PDJT.
    If it is a female Catholic, the anti-Christian scene has already been set.

  21. What an interesting week!
    Brexit in the news and May getting her quoit booted hard,
    Yellow Jacket Hornets getting even more stroppy in Europe – and France in particular,
    Gillette pissing on its customer base with a feminist ad,
    A group of 14 yo boys showing up at a March for Life and being set upon by Leftists and the media.
    The Right have had a good week.

  22. Leo G

    Christianity is the oldest and most successful enemy of Judaism

    How appropriate that Bronze Age Christians should feature in Iampeter’s own spiritual intuition of truths transcending ordinary understanding.

  23. Adelagado

    The young man is the only one who comes out of this with any credit. His parents should be proud of him.

  24. Des Deskperson

    ‘Not stated above is that the boys were attending an anti-abortion rally in Washington while wearing MAGA
    hats.’

    While agreeing with most of the above, I’m still wondering why the Covington boys were wearing MAGA hats at a function where, as my old headmaster used to say they were ‘representing the school in public’?

    It makes it look like the school had or supported a political agenda that went beyond the moral issue of anti-abortion.

    I would expect a private Catholic school to encourage, teach and support particular ethical and moral tenets. But I also expect that at least some parents would be uncomfortable with what was, prima facie, a blatant show of support for Trump. The kids may not have grasped that, but the staff accompanying them should have.

    It would, of course have been much worse had the school been a taxpayer-funded public school.

  25. a happy little debunker

    Hark! Some balance please.

    I am sure that Rosanne Barr would have liked some balance – when she tweeted about the theocracy led organisation that is the Muslim Brotherhood and the theocracy that was the dominant culture from the ‘planet of the apes’ and what type of child they may produce.

    Unfortunately rather than understanding (or even contextualising) her references, their own bias and bigotry took over and then demanded her silence.

    (I am not a fan of Roseanne)

    When the right overreaches there is hell to pay, when the left overreaches the refrain is all about balance.

    If you truly want ‘balance’ then all these ‘verified bluechecks’ who participated in the twitter mobs & the journo’s who then piled on must be sacked from their jobs and barred from social media.

    Otherwise you are just an apologist, without any apologies.

  26. Confused Old Misfit

    It makes it look like the school had or supported a political agenda that went beyond the moral issue of anti-abortion.

    Perhaps that is the case? There is no reason why a private school cannot adopt any position it wishes.
    That some parents might have been uncomfortable with a show of support for Trump, blatant or not, does not abrogate the right of the offspring of others to demonstrate their support in favour of Trump.
    Full marks to the school for allowing free expression.
    Shame on the Diocese officials for jumping to conclusions and apologizing for something that never happened.

  27. Stimpson J. Cat

    Donald J. Trump
    @realDonaldTrump
    ·
    Looking like Nick Sandman & Covington Catholic students were treated unfairly with early judgements proving out to be false – smeared by media. Not good, but making big comeback! “New footage shows that media was wrong about teen’s encounter with Native American”
    @TuckerCarlson

  28. Muddy

    I note (for the four thousand and twentieth time FFS), that commenters here are still referring to the social and cultural insurgents, year-zero worshippers, and parasites that seek to dramatically reduce our quality of life, as ‘activists.’ Why don’t you just step forward and open your mouth so they can spit in it too? Why do people insist on complimenting these cowards and thieves, these moral black holes, by using their preferred – and thoroughly erroneous – label? If a complete stranger walked up to you in the supermarket and without warning, punched you int he face, would you compliment him on the softness of his knuckles and ask what moisturiser he uses?

    Come on people, think before you type, and control the language you use. Alternatively, let those who wish to harm you, control the language you use.

    #eraseactivist
    #theyarehuntingyou.stopsmiling.

  29. Leo G

    Alternatively, let those who wish to harm you, control the language you use.

    OK. We should more correctly refer to such people as “aversives”.
    Or aversion activists?

  30. Arnost

    It makes it look like the school had or supported a political agenda that went beyond the moral issue of anti-abortion.

    Showing support for an elected President (who incidentally is a supporter of the right to life) is beyond the moral issue of anti-abortion? Really?

  31. Paul Williams, senior lecturer at Griffiths, has a regular column in the Courier Mail. Pretty much always pro Labor.

    He has an article today about racism with a particular emphasise on One Nation. In it he mentions the Covington incident and the white privileged mob having a go at the elderly India. He then goes on to blame Trump.

    A bit of fact checking by the CM might have helpled as surely by yesterday afternoon plenty of contrary evidence to his preferred view of the incident was already available.

  32. Arnost

    …who could seriously doubt Christine Ford’s statements that she and her family had received a barrage of death threats both before and after her appearance at the Senate

    Crap. As can be clearly seen from this incident – the right is more than happy to virtue signal and pile on its own side. And leaves the left alone. Ford clearly lied about other things (under oath) so we can seriously doubt what she says when she’s not under oath… And if there were threats – I’d bet they were more than likely of the same calibre as the ANU climate science “death threats” meltdown:
    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-05-11/anu-releases-abusive-emails-sent-to-climate-scientists/4005132
    or manufactured threats from the left designed to distract and gain sympathy.

  33. Muddy

    Leo G
    #2914365, posted on January 22, 2019 at 6:03 pm

    Leo, can you define ‘aversives’ please?
    I’m glad that someone is even thinking about an alternative.
    I just cannot understand how on the one hand, people decry what is happening, but on the other, they join in by spreading the enemy’s propaganda.

    #oralsexonasocialistdecreasestestosterone

  34. max

    How the Catholic Church Built Western Civilization Thomas E. Woods

    “Western civilization stands indebted to the Church for the university system, charitable work, international law, the sciences, and important legal principles …

    Western civilization does not derive entirely from Catholicism, of course;

    Church—provided the framework for the Scientific Revolution, which was unique to Western civilization.

    Father Nicholas Steno, a Lutheran convert who became a Catholic priest, is often identified as the father of geology.

    The father of Egyptology was Father Athanasius Kircher.

    The first person to measure the rate of acceleration of a freely falling body was yet another priest, Father Giambattista Riccioli.

    Father Roger Boscovich is often credited as the father of modern atomic theory. Jesuits so dominated the study of earthquakes that seismology became known as “the Jesuit science.”

    The idea of formulated “rights” comes from Western civilization. Specifically, it comes not from John Locke and Thomas Jefferson—as many might assume—but from the canon law of the Catholic Church.

    Joseph Schumpeter, have even gone so far as to call these Catholic thinkers the founders of modern scientific economics.

    after Rome’s fall, it was the Church that restored and advanced civilization.

    monks played a critical role in the development of Western civilization.

    Wherever they went, the monks introduced crops, industries, or production methods with which the people had not been previously familiar.

    The Cistercian monastic community generally ran its own factory. The monks used waterpower for crushing wheat, sieving flour, fulling cloth, and tanning.

    “The Middle Ages introduced machinery into Europe on a scale no civilization had previously known.”

    The fact is, the Church cherished, preserved, studied, and taught the works of the ancients, which would otherwise have been lost.

    it is to the Middle Ages that we owe one of Western civilization’s greatest – unique – intellectual contributions to the world: the university system.

    The university was an utterly new phenomenon in European history. Nothing like it had existed in ancient Greece or Rome.

    The Church developed the university system because, according to historian Lowrie Daly, it was “the only institution in Europe that showed consistent interest in the preservation and cultivation of knowledge.”

    Eighty-one universities had been established by the time of the Reformation. Of these, thirty-three possessed a papal charter, fifteen a royal or imperial one, twenty possessed both, and thirteen had none.

    The Scholastics, by and large, were committed to the use of reason as an indispensable tool in theological and philosophical study, and to dialectic—the juxtaposition of opposing positions, followed by a resolution of the matter at hand by recourse to both reason and authority—as the method of pursuing issues of intellectual interest.

    among the most important medieval contributions to modern science was the essentially free inquiry of the university system, where scholars could debate and discuss propositions, and in which the utility of human reason was taken for granted.

  35. Leo G

    Leo, can you define ‘aversives’ please?

    I used “aversive” as an adjective converted to a noun, homologous with “subversive”.

    aversive —adjective
    of, or pertaining to, aversion.

    aversion —noun
    a strong feeling of dislike, opposition, repugnance, or antipathy eg: a strong aversion to spiders.

  36. Zatara

    I’m still wondering why the Covington boys were wearing MAGA hats at a function where, as my old headmaster used to say they were ‘representing the school in public’?

    The boys were there to observe the political process (such as it is) and participate to the extent of representing their Catholic views on abortion. Once the march and protests wound down they were given their liberty to sight see until the time their bus was to pick them up from the Lincoln Memorial (a landmark impossible to miss even for a teenager).

    Given the brand spanking new appearance of the hats, and the fact that the boys were on a trip to see their national capital so would have a bit of souvenir pocket money, I’d suggest that the boys bought the hats that afternoon at any of the thousands of souvenir sellers who pop up at any opportunity in Washington D.C.

    Wonder what attracted his attention and prompted him to strike up the drum.

    An obviously organized group of relatively well dressed and behaved white male students, some of which were wearing MAGA hats, made the perfect target for a confrontation by this experienced race-baiter, just as they were for the blacks who went into their racial abuse routine.

  37. mh

    I still can’t find the footage of the high school kid slashing a Native American’s face with a razor.

    I can only seem to find video of a child with a bit of a smirk on his face, but not really doing anything.

  38. Leo G

    Western civilization does not derive entirely from Catholicism, of course

    My view is that Western Civilisation derives from a language- the hypothesised Proto-Indo-European language, which itself originated in hunter-gather societies in the forests north of the Russian Steppes during the Neolithic.
    Waves of Indo-European migration through Europe determined culture and religion in the pre-Christian period and was strongly influenced by the development of writing (particularly so called alphabetic writing about 4,000 years ago). The culmination of Western Civilisation, the result of economic competition between European states after the fall of the Western Roman Empire, was the transformation into its industrialised, premodern form.

  39. Muddy

    Thanks Leo. It’s certainly an option more preferable than ‘activist’, which seems to carry with it – in popular culture at least – an element of nobility.

  40. Muddy

    mh
    #2914440, posted on January 22, 2019 at 7:37 pm

    I still can’t find the footage of the high school kid slashing a Native American’s face with a razor.

    I can only seem to find video of a child with a bit of a smirk on his face, but not really doing anything.

    Better still is the in utero footage of the 16-week old white skinhead giving the finger to a couple of colour as his mother walked past them in a shopping mall.

  41. Geriatric Mayfly

    That Covington lad looks as if his first shave, one of life’s milestones, is still to be. Gillette could attempt to recover some of the ground lost by offering him a lifetime’s supply. The “smirk” alone suggests toxic masculinity is nascent in this one, and such a gesture just might nip the free-fall in the bud.

  42. Iampeter

    Max, the Catholic Church obviously didn’t build Western Civilization because it predates the church and Christianity, by hundreds of years.
    More fundamentally, Western Civilization is built on the concepts of reason and individualism, while Catholicism, like all of Christianity, is mystical collectivism. They are totally opposed.

    We’ve covered this in other threads, but you need to learn how to think/how to integrate, so you can connect the dots correctly and stop believing obvious nonsense.

  43. candy

    Whatever side of politics you are on, and whatever the kids did, it’s a bad world where the media incite
    killing a child because of a smirk.
    I wonder if he is safe. There are some vicious messages being put on the Internet about him.

  44. max

    Iampeter say
    #2914485, posted on January 22, 2019 at 8:32 pm

    “Max, the Catholic Church obviously didn’t build Western Civilization because it predates the church and Christianity, by hundreds of years.”

    really, when did it start according to you ?
    let me guess with Greece?

    Gary North – May 16, 2016:

    Western civilization is the historical product of Christianity. Without Christianity, the development of the West would have been radically different. Of course, secular humanism and various intermediary philosophies have contributed greatly to the growth and shape of Western institutions since about 1660, but without the impact of Christian thought and culture, the foundations of Western secular humanism would not have been laid. It is impossible to think of Western culture without considering the historical impact of Christianity.
    Most Protestants understand this fact. Yet at the same time, they have a tendency to denigrate the cultural accomplishments of the Roman Catholic Church in the medieval era. It is as if Protestants think that Western culture sprang up overnight in response to Luther’s nailing of the 95 theses on the wall. But when we consider the savagery that faced the Irish missionaries in the sixth and seventh centuries, we all should become aware of the vast impact pre-Reformation Christianity had on Europe. In fact, without that impact, there would never have been a Europe. There would have been nothing more than pagan, fragmented tribes of primitive savages, with only an occasional raid from the Norsemen to bring “advanced” pagan culture into their lives.
    Biblical Law
    It was primarily the rule of biblical law, not the influence of architecture, paintings, or even hymns, that reshaped European life prior to the Reformation. It was the restraining influence of law — family law, church law, business law, and civil law — that provided the West with a new vision.
    The Family
    However important intellectual life is for a culture, the most important applications of morals, religion, and philosophy are found inside the family unit. This is the universal human institution. The family is the original agency of government, especially self-government. What families believe in terms of their requirements before God is more important for the construction of a civilization than the attitudes of the members of any other institution. It is the family unit which is central for the construction, or reconstruction, of culture.
    Not the state, church, or school, but the family is to be central in legal education. The day-to-day instruction in righteousness which all child-rearing involves is the very heart of a civilization. It is the law-order imparted by parents to children which will determine the success or failure of a society.

    When we look at the results of a thousand years of Christian instruction, from 500 A.D. to 1500 A.D., we begin to perceive the effect of these millions and millions of seemingly infinitesimal additions of moral capital. From the disintegration of Rome until the Reformation, Christian parents built a civilization.

  45. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    Undeserved “online lynchings” emanate from both the Right and Left of politics these days – who could seriously doubt Christine Ford’s statements that she and her family had received a barrage of death threats both before and after her appearance at the Senate (and from the side of politics renowned for gun ownership)?

    Fark! A fraudulent comparison, Ms Ford was a perjuring sack of shit that schemed to take down a good man. She should be locked up and the key hurled down the forgetery.

  46. candy

    What families believe in terms of their requirements before God is more important for the construction of a civilization than the attitudes of the members of any other institution. It is the family unit which is central for the construction, or reconstruction, of culture.

    Which then leads a person to the conservative side of politics, which seems under attack.

  47. Crossie

    Getting down to brass tacks:
    1. Who sent the video of the incident to the media?
    2. Was the video of the incident edited before or after it was received by the media?

    Answer to both questions is Nathan Phillips, the so-called Native American elder, who got in the kids’ faces thinking they will react as most kids would. When they didn’t he had to edit.

    What is most disturbing is that the bishop and the diocese threw the kids under the bus and have yet to apologise. What will those kids think of their own church that joins in their persecution?

    Another thought on the church’s response, how long did it take them to condemn the kids? A nanosecond? How long until they react to the priests’ sex scandal? I feel the church leaders have made a major mistake here.

  48. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    Another thought on the church’s response, how long did it take them to condemn the kids? A nanosecond?

    the long march didn’t exclude the church

  49. rickw

    More fundamentally, Western Civilization is built on the concepts of reason and individualism, while Catholicism, like all of Christianity, is mystical collectivism. They are totally opposed.

    Phenomenal ignorance.

  50. Boambee John

    Re activists or aversives, I prefer the older term, subversives.

  51. Leo G

    Catholicism, like all of Christianity, is mystical collectivism

    Mystical Collectivism: Immediate consciousness of the ultimate reality of the system of ownership and control of the means of production and distribution by the group collective.
    But didn’t Pope Francis say he is not a Marxist?

  52. Geriatric Mayfly

    Another thought on the church’s response, how long did it take them to condemn the kids? A nanosecond?

    Duke University set the precedent here. Condemned 3 of their their own students from the get go, once false rape allegations were made by a hooker and murderess.

  53. Des Deskperson

    “here is no reason why a private school cannot adopt any position it wishes.
    That some parents might have been uncomfortable with a show of support for Trump, blatant or not, does not abrogate the right of the offspring of others to demonstrate their support in favour of Trump.
    Full marks to the school for allowing free expression.’

    I’m OK with this provided that the school had previously informed parents that its policy is to allow students to support the Trump administration on official school outings. Otherwise, even implicit support of the MAGA caps is presumptuous, arrogant and divisive.

    As for ‘free expression’, students ought to have as much for it as they like outside school time or school activities. Would the school support ‘free expression’- in school time or on school activities – for students who were pro abortion?

    “Showing support for an elected President (who incidentally is a supporter of the right to life) is beyond the moral issue of anti-abortion? Really?”

    This is a bit confusing but appears to be arguing, by analogy, that if a Shorten Government were to be elected and if school students subsequently took to wearing Labor red shirts on school outings, it would be OK because it was ‘showing support’ for an elected Prime Minister.

  54. Anon Mahnà

    Otherwise, even implicit support of the MAGA caps is presumptuous, arrogant and divisive.

    No, support for Trump, who is doing God’s holy work is good whereas support for his evil opponents is wicked.
    It’s that simple.

  55. AussieMAGA

    Does this blog host a Peak Libertard award?

    I nominate iampeter. Magnificent effort.

  56. Confused Old Misfit

    Otherwise, even implicit support of the MAGA caps is presumptuous, arrogant and divisive.

    Not at all.
    The school should support the free expression of ideas and concepts, even those contrary, or perhaps specially those contrary to its religious philosophy always provided that the expression is non disruptive.
    The Marist Brothers at Chanel College were always thus. They made the boundaries very clear to students and parents. Robust debate was encouraged.
    Wearing a hat with a slogan or a T-shirt is a pretty passive mode of expression.
    To say otherwise is to bend over willingly to progressive political correctness and indicates an attitude of authoritarianism.

  57. Confused Old Misfit

    Quilette has a decent piece of analysis on the whole event.

  58. Via YouTube Tucker Carlson 18 Jan covers this well. Plus the fake Buzzfeed story.

  59. Anon Mahnà

    If you don’t realise by now that the majority of the mainstream media are evil you have not been paying attention.

  60. Leo G

    Showing support for an elected President (who incidentally is a supporter of the right to life) is beyond the moral issue of anti-abortion?

    The slogan “Make America Great Again” was used by presidential candidates Ronald Reagan, Bill Clinton, and Donald Trump. It is in widespread use by Americans who have concerns about perceived declines in aspects of US society, and not just by Donald Trump supporters.
    Of course, the slogan suggests support for one side of a partisan political argument. Any Democratic Party supporters who agree with the sentiment would be unlikely display the slogan because of the recent Trump Campaign association.
    But if you argue that the schoolboys should not have worn the caps while gathered in a schoolgroup and attending an anti-abortion rally, shouldn’t you be more concerned that the group attended the rally at all?
    In any case, America would be a bit better if Americans started wearing hats with a “Make America Gracious Again” slogan.

  61. Mark A

    Des Deskperson
    #2914566, posted on January 22, 2019 at 10:26 pm

    This is a bit confusing but appears to be arguing, by analogy, that if a Shorten Government were to be elected and if school students subsequently took to wearing Labor red shirts on school outings, it would be OK because it was ‘showing support’ for an elected Prime Minister.

    If they are supporting his policies, why not?
    Just for being the PM would be silly.

  62. Crossie

    This is a bit confusing but appears to be arguing, by analogy, that if a Shorten Government were to be elected and if school students subsequently took to wearing Labor red shirts on school outings, it would be OK because it was ‘showing support’ for an elected Prime Minister.

    The media would cheer them on for being progressive and civic minded.

  63. Jimf

    The kids were being kids and were sucked into a frame-up situation by an opportunistic loser.But I agree with Mr Deskperson. The school (assuming it has “when in public” protocol guidelines -surely?) ,could have reasonably expected adults looking over the kids to see trouble ahead.I mean ,Lincoln bloody memorial,shouty interest groups everywhere. Freedom of speech must always be the true north,but (as we all point out) they are kids and should’ve been moved away from an obvious political IED and told to pull their f%#king heads in by those paid to protect the school’s name.As a parent of (too) many kids at an Independent school that’s what I’d demand.

  64. A Lurker

    “The Left hasn’t gone to the trouble of painting Christian schools as dangerous hate factories for no reason. They intend to do something with the fruits of their labor. What that is, exactly, will become clearer very soon.”

    and

    I trust the judgement of the (now forgotten) commentator who said the whole anti-Covington pile on was a precursor to the next Supreme Court pick by PDJT.
    If it is a female Catholic, the anti-Christian scene has already been set.

    Bingo!
    My understanding is that the successor to the walking corpse (Ginsburg) is a most likely a woman who is a Christian with strong pro-life beliefs. The Marxist Left is at the moment setting the stage to how she will be attacked.

  65. bespoke

    As one who’s criticised school protest in the past I have to agree with Des/Jimf . Keep politics out of schools.

  66. struth

    This is why the trolls have some value.
    Lurkers can see just how ignorant they are.
    It’s sometimes, actually most of the time, just plain embarrassing.

    And yet they vote.

  67. Gary North – May 16, 2016:

    Western civilization is the historical product of Christianity. Without Christianity, the development of the West would have been radically different. Of course, secular humanism and various intermediary philosophies have contributed greatly to the growth and shape of Western institutions since about 1660, but without the impact of Christian thought and culture, the foundations of Western secular humanism would not have been laid. It is impossible to think of Western culture without considering the historical impact of Christianity.

    Indeed. You have to be an historical ignoramus to deny this.

  68. Geriatric Mayfly

    My understanding is that the successor to the walking corpse (Ginsburg) is a most likely a woman who is a Christian with strong pro-life beliefs.

    Would the Trumpinator be so bold, even so outrageously outrageous?

  69. calli

    On the “keep politics out of schools” issue – the timeline is interesting. Those MAGA hats. Were they bought after the march in the childrens’ free time? Souvenirs of the day? Only a few of the children had them, so I suspect a friendship group did what they usually do – they all bought one and put them on.

    And then they became instant targets when they met up at Lincoln Memorial – first for the cowardly black fat mouths spruiking their hate, then the indigenous “braves” telling them to go back to Europe.

    But the worst was yet to come – they were abandoned by their school, their community and their diocese. This last is unforgiveable. Those people so quick to condemn should be making full public apologies, even if it means spending folding money to take out advertising space in those vehicles where their comments appeared.

    I understand some parents are seeking legal advice. Good.

  70. Iampeter

    Max, I understand that there are other people that also mistaken believe Christianity had something to do with Western Civilization, but no amount of quotes will change the fact that it does not, for the reason already stated.

    You’ve not joined the dots and don’t understand the fundamentals of what Western Civilization is, neither do most conservatives and many libertarians today.

    Bottom line is, until you can rejection religion, you cannot reject leftism.
    Christianity provides the ethical foundation for it.

    In this way religious conservatives are the primary reason “the left” even still exists today. They have destroyed the political discourse and prevented alternative ideas from crushing them.
    It’s the same story as in economics where Keynesians have done the same thing and destroyed economics.

    I’ve said it before but it’s worth repeating, conservatives are to politics what keynesians are to economics.
    Neither understands the topic they are engaged in and only destroy the discourse, allowing the left to win.

  71. Des Deskperson

    ‘But if you argue that the schoolboys should not have worn the caps while gathered in a schoolgroup and attending an anti-abortion rally, shouldn’t you be more concerned that the group attended the rally at all?’

    I do have reservations about school kids attending any public demonstration as part of official school business, but I am also mindful, in this case, that it’s a Catholic school and therefore reasonably expected to uphold and inculcate Catholic values, so I have less of a problem with its representation at the rally.

    Of course, in the interests of ‘freedom of expression’ I would expect any kiddie who had reservations about the rally to have been excused attendance. I wonder if this was the case at Covington.

    Encouraging or allowing the overt display of partisan political symbols is another matter altogether – and whatever the origins of ‘Make America Great Again’. the red MAGA cap is a trademark of the Trump administration.

    In the past, Cats – including maybe some commenting on this thread – have railed against ‘indoctrinated’ school kids in Australia attending anti-government rallies carrying partisan signs and signals. Any sane person of average intelligence ought to be able to see that there is, in principle at least, not a lot of difference.

  72. struth

    The freedom of individual responsibility is a core tenant of Christianity.
    We can tell Iampeewee has no idea of Christianity, and has been brought up such that he doesn’t understand that christianity is so inherently western that he thinks and acts like a western Christian.
    Just a very stupid one.

    Without the freedom of personal responsibility, (you’ll pay for your sins in the afterlife) you get domination of the subjects of the religion on earth (Islam)
    Christianity is it’s own worst enemy in a way , because of this, but a Christian god gives you a choice, punishing behaviour and disbelief in the afterlife.
    Humans punish each other for rules broken here on earth.
    Secularism is Christianity saying, your choice, we won’t force you to be Christian, but as the very first sentence in our Constitution and that of most western democracies, is that of Christianity, we , as a civilisation were born from Christianity and it would have been impossible for it to happen without it.
    The Ancient Greeks were a civilisation, as were the Romans.
    They were civilisations the west learned from, as the west does, but they were not “western civilisation” and it’s only convenient for leftists to try to argue they were.

    Our western civilisation started to take off when the everyman could read the bible, and the Davos attendees of the dark ages started to lose their grip.

    The ignorance of what Christianity is, and it’s creation of the west we see in ignoramuses like Iampoopoo, is so incredibly moronic, you know he is young and been through the modern education system

  73. dover_beach

    Max, as you know, Greco-Roman civilization is not Western civilization, and we certainly do not find ‘individualism’ in either Greek or Roman civilization. Western civilization is coeval with the fall of the Western Roman Empire and the rise of the Church as the last remaining public institution therein. It was the Church that maintained what was good in both and integrated it into the Christian tradition that was itself still in the making during the first millennia.

  74. calli

    Bottom line is, until you can rejection religion, you cannot reject leftism.

    *smirk*

  75. CameronH

    The left never do anything without some long term aim in mind. All of this anti Christianity has been building for a while and is now reaching the point where it can be main streamed. The right never believe they need some long term plan which is why they always lose. They believe that rational argument will always win and that one should always be gentlemanly and play by the rules.

    They always allow themselves to be herded onto the lefts playing field where many of them seem to go on the attack against any of their fellow conservatives who appears to want to fight back. This is why many of them hate Trump. Her goes on the attack against the hate and bigotry of the left instead of just appeasing and surrendering with “dignity”.

  76. Megan

    Bottom line is, until you can rejection religion, you cannot reject leftism

    *Double smirk*

  77. CameronH

    Further to my last comment. I meant to mention that this is part of a longer term strategy to discredit the most likely next pick for Scotus, Amy Coney Barrett, and against the possibility that Pence will be the Republican nominee after Trump. They will regurgitate all of these events while neglecting to inform anybody that they were shown to be bogus and their allies in the fake news media will just play along.

  78. struth

    The left never do anything without some long term aim in mind. All of this anti Christianity has been building for a while and is now reaching the point where it can be main streamed.

    They’ve always detested Christianity.
    It’s the first thing to go.
    Look at the USSR and China.
    Look at any of them over the years.

    This has a very technical explanation which may take some time.
    Bare with me.

    It’s ‘coz they’re evil fuckers.

  79. dover_beach

    The Left hasn’t gone to the trouble of painting Christian schools as dangerous hate factories for no reason. They intend to do something with the fruits of their labor. What that is, exactly, will become clearer very soon.”

    This is exactly right but it is liberalism, not Leftism. We are also seeing this being done here too under the guise of ‘anti-discrimination’. The whole palaver about gays and Christian schools is being railroaded thrugh the Parliament and media without a single demonstrable instance of ‘discrimination’ brought forward. This is how liberalism rolls. They make a big show of being ‘anti-discriminatory’ and ‘neutral’ while in fact being both discriminatory and partisan.

  80. struth

    They intend to do something with the fruits of their labor. What that is, exactly, will become clearer very soon.”

    I find it a bit of a dumb remark.

    Replace the church with the state, as socialism always does.

  81. Iampeter

    Saying the left is anti-Christian is like saying communists are anti-Marxist.
    It demonstrates zero grasp of the fundamentals at play.

  82. dover_beach

    That doesn’t make sense, Struth.

  83. John Constantine

    https://cruxnow.com/vatican/2019/01/21/whats-known-and-unknown-about-popes-abuse-summit-in-february/

    Statistically, the lack of abuse cases reported in the media from Africa and Asia should be warning signs, not something to be relieved about.

    The scab is only beginning to be picked at in South America, numbers wise.

    Any leftist media strategy will be to weaponise the coverups, but the left did not create the coverups, merely ruthlessly exploit them.

  84. max

    Iampeter say:

    “Bottom line is, until you can rejection religion, you cannot reject leftism.
    Christianity provides the ethical foundation for it.”

    It is never a question of “creed vs. no creed”; it is a question of which creed.

    creed:
    a system of religious belief; a faith.
    a set of beliefs or aims which guide someone’s actions.

    religion:
    a set of beliefs

    Every system of knowledge rests on presuppositions about God, man, law, causation, and time.

    Put differently, it has a theory of sovereignty, authority, law, sanctions, and the future.

    Every worldview is confessional: “we believe.” The more confessional the worldview, the more consistent it is.

    The source of a society’s law is the god of that society.
    For example, no political order exists that does not have a concept of treason.

    You can have supernatural/spiritual God or man made God

    Ayn Rand God was reason, human reason, meaning Human is a God.

But which human is going to be God, which reason we are going to follow?
    We are not born with same abilities.

  85. Cassie of Sydney

    “ampeter
    #2914776, posted on January 23, 2019 at 10:04 am
    Saying the left is anti-Christian is like saying communists are anti-Marxist.
    It demonstrates zero grasp of the fundamentals at play.”

    You demonstrate zero grasp of fundamental reality every day.

  86. C.L.

    This is exactly right but it is liberalism, not Leftism. We are also seeing this being done here too under the guise of ‘anti-discrimination’.

    Which points you towards what the left’s meta-agenda is. It is centered around homosexuality which is now the lead pack horse for the left’s plan to destroy marriage, the family and gender normality. The main target is Christianity in general and the Catholic Church in particular.

    The left never do anything without some long term aim in mind.

    There is an organic, metastasizing pattern to their mob malice, yes, but I wouldn’t over-egg their intelligence by attributing this degree of tactical genius.

  87. C.L.

    My understanding is that the successor to the walking corpse (Ginsburg) is a most likely a woman who is a Christian with strong pro-life beliefs. Would the Trumpinator be so bold, even so outrageously outrageous?

    There’s no good reason why not. Nothing outrageous about it either. Barrett is legitimately brilliant.

  88. How the hell did this thread descend into a stupid binary argument about whether Western civilisation is 100% or 0% owned by Christianity?? 🤷‍♂️

    While there has been widespread apologies even from the left, there are many holdouts. Our own Pirate Pete bathes in the gutter sticking with condemnation despite the evidence to the contrary, AND earlier insisting on the right for students to protest 🤦🏽‍♂️

    While a good point was made about setting the stage for anti-catholicism, it will backfire badly. The damage was done, but re-igniting it will just reveal the fake news to the wider populace.

  89. Iampeter

    It is never a question of “creed vs. no creed”; it is a question of which creed.

    It’s a question of reason vs creed. Western Civilization is the civilization of reason. That’s why it’s uniquely different and successful compared to all the other creed-based civilizations.

    I get what you’re saying Max, but what you’re not getting is Western civilization rejects all of that.

    Every system of knowledge rests on presuppositions about God, man, law, causation, and time.

    Yes. But what is SPECIFIC knowledge unique to Western Civilization?
    That’s what you haven’t figured out. To figure this out will take more than randomly reading random things. You need to connect some dots.

    Until then, you’re just saying random words in imitation of a political conversation.

  90. This is exactly right but it is liberalism, not Leftism.

    Bollocks. Leftists have co-opted liberty for their own purposes, just as they have ethics, morality, science, feminism, environmentalism, and everything else. They are political parasites, beyond any question whatsoever.

    What is liberalism without liberty? An ism. Nothing more, nothing less.

  91. Commenters above who criticised these students for wearing MAGA hats ought to provide links to their comments criticising kids as young as primary schoolers wearing “I’m with her” garb or those wearing pink pussy hats at womens rallies.
    I’m sick of the narrative that wearing a MAGA hat is “divisive”. Fuck you very much.

  92. Douglas Shupe

    A mate of mine, retired lawyer, has a schizophrenic son. High functioning. So years ago my mate points out that BSM (before social media) society was able to check the mentally ill as they received negative feedback in person from immediate community. ASM (after social media) the mentally ill receive large amounts of positive feedback via virtually anonymous people who are also mentally ill. Therefore, I have an hypothesis. Mental illness can spread virus like due to the inherent characteristics of social media.

  93. dover_beach

    Bollocks.

    Not at all. ‘Leftists’ are simply following their liberal premises to their logical conclusions. They are simply further down the road compared with their fellow liberals.

    What is liberalism without liberty?

    You have to move beyond this sort of sloganeering as if liberty before liberalism was entirely absent either as an idea or practice. It’s not without a hint of irony, for instance, that liberals promote laws against the ‘discrimination of gays’ in schools, which would itself discriminate against Christians seeking a Christian education, on the basis of liberty.

  94. struth

    That doesn’t make sense, Struth.

    The wondering what is coming next bit, I made the remark basically, Isn’t it obvious?

    Socialism basically is the religion of government.

  95. Dr Fred Lenin

    Chief Wankawanka is a marine non vietnam veteran of four years service probably washed dishes at Fort Bragg a ,a 4F marine . Next check. Is he really native american? Fake news Fake people .
    The media could walk under a snakes belly wearing a hat,they have sunk to the level of politicians ,and the lawtrade and it doesnt get lower than that .

  96. dover_beach

    It’s a question of reason vs creed.

    Max, you are not going to wake this clown from his slumber. He believes we are all dreaming, while he is dreaming he is awake.

  97. dover_beach

    The wondering what is coming next bit, I made the remark basically, Isn’t it obvious?

    I don’t think Walsh was wondering about the broad stroke, he is wondering what in particular this is a prelude to. As in is this a prelude to RBG vacating the Court and poisoning the well re Trump’s next SCOTUS pick. That is what he has in mind.

  98. What is liberalism without liberty?

    You have to move beyond this sort of sloganeering as if liberty before liberalism was entirely absent either as an idea or practice. It’s not without a hint of irony, for instance, that liberals promote laws against the ‘discrimination of gays’ in schools, which would itself discriminate against Christians seeking a Christian education, on the basis of liberty

    And here we get to the definition of liberty, and it ain’t whatever the left call it. Liberty is a two-sided coin of rights to and rights from. Trampling other’s rights is not liberty, just in its name only.

    Telling Christian schools what to teach when their students are there voluntarily is quite illiberal.

  99. Des Deskperson

    ‘Commenters above who criticised these students for wearing MAGA hats ought to provide links to their comments criticising kids as young as primary schoolers wearing “I’m with her” garb or those wearing pink pussy hats at womens rallies.’

    I shouldn’t have to.

    I have explained my position on the MAGA Hats. It is a simple logical inference – is it not? – that, unless I am insane, stupid or mendacious, I’m also strongly opposed to the crap you cite.

    Particularly when it emanates from a budget-funded public school.

  100. Ivan Denisovich

    Leftists’ are simply following their liberal premises to their logical conclusions. They are simply further down the road compared with their fellow liberals.

    Dover, have you read any of Del Noce’s work?

    https://www.thecatholicthing.org/2018/07/26/understanding-our-secular-era/

  101. lotocoti

    Chief Wankawanka is a marine non vietnam veteran of four years service probably washed dishes at Fort Bragg

    How dare you impugn the honour of the Corps’ only ever Recon Ranger.
    Just like Chief Ryback in Under Siege, Chief Wattawanka’s career was so soopa sekrit his MOS was listed as Refrigeration Mechanic for national security reasons.

  102. Mother Lode

    He has an article today about racism with a particular emphasise on One Nation. In it he mentions the Covington incident and the white privileged mob having a go at the elderly India. He then goes on to blame Trump.

    A bit of fact checking by the CM might have helpled as surely by yesterday afternoon plenty of contrary evidence to his preferred view of the incident was already available.

    He would rather be morally right that correct.

  103. John A

    max #2914394, posted on January 22, 2019, at 6:40 pm

    How the Catholic Church Built Western Civilization Thomas E. Woods

    “Western civilization stands indebted to the Church for the university system, charitable work, international law, the sciences, and important legal principles …

    AND our double entry bookkeeping system, publicised and popularised by Fra Luca Pacioli (Wiki for speed/simplicity. There are plenty of search results for Pacioli, the Father of Accounting).

    Pardon the partial hubris of the CPA son of an Italian migrant. However, disciplined recording of business transactions is often not recognised as a significant contribution to the development of civilization.

  104. Ivan D, I haven’t but he’s on my reading list.

    Beer, no, for the simple reason that that list is not preserved in aspic. You cannot quarantine it from liberal premises. It will be understood in such a way that disbanding these schools will be judged as a victory for liberty.

  105. Myrddin Seren

    If those boys had stood on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial in black face masks and pink pussy hats waving signs saying ‘Bash the Fasc’ and chanting ‘No borders, no walls, no USA at all !’,

    they would have been heroes of the Politics-Media-Academia-Entertainment Establishment.

    Instead, that same Establishment wants:

    Them expelled from school,

    Banned from any college in the US,

    Their parents fired,

    Their school burned,

    Them assaulted,

    Them murdered.

    Conclusion: We lost the Cold War.

  106. Myrddin Seren

    If those boys had stood on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial in black face masks and pink pussy hats waving signs saying ‘Bash the Fasc’ and chanting ‘No borders, no walls, no USA at all !’,

    they would have been heroes of the Politics-Media-Academia-Entertainment Establishment.

    Instead, that same Establishment wants:

    Them kicked out of school,

    Banned from any college in the US,

    Their parents fired,

    Their school burned,

    Them assaulted,

    Them murdered.

    Conclusion: We lost the Cold War.

  107. J.H.

    The Washington Post is now back tracking on the “Vietnam veteran” label on the Indian activist… The guy never was deployed to Vietnam…. The Fake News just grows and grows with this whole debacle.

  108. AlanR

    In reply to Mr Rusty way back at yesterday @ 3.49pm. He states: It is IDEOLOGY v REALITY. This prompts me to ask whose reality is reality? And if you answer your reality, I then need to ask how or why do you value your reality above mine? I ask this understanding that I practice a little conjuring and sleight-of-hand as a hobby. As a conjurer, I can assure you sir, that my reality is very different from the audience’s reality. It all depends on what you know and where you stand (literally). Claiming to be all knowing and able to proclaim that ” … The Right is Life, the Left is Death…” smacks of pure ideology to me.

  109. Dr Fred L

    Big Chief Wankwanka wasnt a dishwasher ,ok , but refrigeration is usually in the kitchen isnt it ? And where do dishwashers work?

    Native americans had fridges in their teepees ! who woulda thought that ?

  110. Mother Lode

    Bottom line is, until you can rejection religion, you cannot reject leftism.

    *smirk*

    Yeah calli, that is his thing.

    He consider that unless you live in a yurt, or view your neighbours as something to prey upon, you are a collectivist.

    And if you are a collectivist you are validating the left.

    Sorry if the argument condensed to its essentials looks stupid, but it is.

  111. bespoke

    Baa Humbug
    #2914863, posted on January 23, 2019 at 11:50 am
    Commenters above who criticised these students for wearing MAGA hats ought to provide links to their comments criticising kids as young as primary wearing “I’m with her” garb or those wearing pink pussy hats at womens rallies.

    This is a side issue that we shouldn’t get hung up on.

    I’m sick of the narrative that wearing a MAGA hat is “divisive”. Fuck you very much.

    I said the almost the same thing on the open thread yesterday.

  112. Mother Lode

    The left never do anything without some long term aim in mind.

    Well, some of their more elites in politics, the press, academe etc have a long term aim in mind.

    Most of them just go along without engaging their minds, immersed in the euphoria of being part of a crowd, feeling confident they are right because they agree with lots of other people, and able to vent their frustration that the world is not what they want by screaming hate and bile at icons they do not understand (I mentioned the ‘no mind’ thing) but whom they have been taught is preventing their utopia.

    They may be named Trump, or Reagan, Peterson etc – but they are all Goldstein.

    And the hate goes on much longer than 5 minutes.

  113. Mother Lode

    1amp
    #2914776, posted on January 23, 2019 at 10:04 am
    Saying the left is anti-Christian is like saying communists are anti-Marxist.
    It demonstrates zero grasp of the fundamentals at play.

    Let me guess.

    Because the left believes (well, uses as a slogan actually) helping the poor and sick etc are good then they are in agreement with Christianity, not opposed to it.

    Christianity is based on the individual. The left abolishes Christianity and individualism and decrees human relationships by law, cruelly enforced. The individual bears blame, the state virtue.

    Only on a very superficial level, using labels, could you claim a resemblance. Inside they could not be more different.

    I expect you believe that inside a tiger is just more fur and stripes.

  114. Ros

    Covington Junior High (grades 7-8). Nick Sandman is a junior which makes him probably between 13 to 15. Seems about right if decided by how he looks. A young teenager. Some of those behind him were very young. This nasty old man and a mob of anti semitic bullies get stuck into them and they behave remarkably well . Interestingly the nasty old man refers to them as a group of people over and over, not teenagers, not individuals, and certainly not youth which he purports to be a supporter of, native or white these were hardly more than kids, some were just kids, who thought he was chanting with them. When he is not calling the boy who stood up to him a liar.

    And a little trivia, the chant which they sought permission to give voice to in response to the anti semites, is a common one across American schools and universities and sporting teams.. And at every match of the 2018 FIFA World Cup in Russia, players walked onto the field to the opening strains of “Seven Nation Army,” the song first released in 2003 by The White Stripes. But instead of Jack White’s vocal line, fans sing the song’s central guitar riff. “It’s just, ‘Ohh, oh-OH-oh-oh ohhhh, ohhh,’ and that’s it, just over and over and over. Described as hypnotic.” And it is, Notre Dame versus Michigan 2011, a stadium of small yellow flags beating in time to the chant, mesmerising. The school boys were accused of making the Tomahawk sign, which they didn’t seem to understand. Probably because along with other students and fans etc they were making hand movements in time with the chant. So maybe that accusation by the haters was just mistake. But considering how widespread the Seven Nation Army chant is can’t slow misunderstanding it as abuse was deliberate lying. Or maybe only the lower orders like low culture football, fans know about it. Hence with a big stretch the final part of the chant could maybe, just, sound sort of like build the wall.

    Also of interest how it ended, not many were, Cincinnati.com was one of the few that was.

    “The man with the Black Hebrew Israelites told students that Donald Trump kissed Rudy Giuliani while Giuliani was in drag. “Your president is a homosexual,” he said.
    “Who cares. That’s homophobic,” a student said back.
    After a few minutes, an apparent student asked “are the busses here yet?”
    A few minutes later the students ran off, chanting “let’s go home.”

    Decent teenagers with respect, who were abused by adults, took it remarkably well then ran off to their buses like the boys they were.

    Not a fan of bussing them to the March, but on the other hand they were also visiting their Capital and given free time to explore it.

    I am a huge fan of young Nick. Hope for America yet.

  115. Mother Lode

    AND our double entry bookkeeping system, publicised and popularised by Fra Luca Pacioli (Wiki for speed/simplicity. There are plenty of search results for Pacioli, the Father of Accounting).

    Notably, the anti-Christian and anti-Western Left do not care much for balancing the books either.

  116. Mother Lode

    Oh.

    Looks like everyone is gone.

    *Walks away whistling nonchalantly*

  117. John A

    Megan #2914747, posted on January 23, 2019, at 9:39 am

    Bottom line is until you can rejection religion, you cannot reject leftism

    *Double smirk*

    Religion = humanity’s search for God
    Christianity = God reaching down to humanity

    Yes, I have “rejectioned” religion.

  118. Ros

    Washington D.C., Jan 22, 2019 / 03:58 pm (CNA).- While chanting and playing ceremonial drums, a group of Native American rights activists reportedly led by Nathan Phillips attempted Jan. 19 to enter Washington, D.C.’s Basilica of the National Shrine of the Immaculate Conception during a Saturday evening Mass.

    The group of 20 demonstrators was stopped by shrine security as it tried to enter the church during its 5:15 pm Vigil Mass, according to a shrine security guard on duty during the Mass.

    “It was really upsetting,” the guard told CNA.

    “There were about twenty people trying to get in, we had to lock the doors and everything.”

    Such a great elder.

  119. Ros

    Dec 2008

    “Phillips also described coming back to the U.S. as a veteran of the Vietnam era. “People called me a baby killer and a hippie girl spit on me.”

    The entire crowd was moved by the events and words spoken. Phillips then led the gathering in the lighting and partaking of the sacred pipe”

    What a piece of work.

  120. Stimpson J. Cat

    Therefore, I have an hypothesis. Mental illness can spread virus like due to the inherent characteristics of social media.

    Correct.
    Not only that, but the algorithms used to provide user recommendations and enhance user searches will enhance and amplify the experience and the mental illness, making it worse.
    Social Media and the internet are potentially very deadly for those with Mental Illness.

  121. Ros

    It gets better and better,

    Don Shipley got the DD-214.

    Self-described “recon ranger” Nathan Phillips was a rifleman for two days and a refrigerator mechanic in Lincoln, Nebraska and El Toro, California the rest of his service. Retired a private.

    (link: https://youtu.be/CIXIzvyAlLA) youtu.be/CIXIzvyAlLA

  122. Leo G

    Max, I understand that there are other people that also mistaken believe Christianity had something to do with Western Civilization, but no amount of quotes will change the fact that it does not, …
    Bottom line is, until you can (reject) religion, you cannot reject leftism.
    Christianity provides the ethical foundation for it.

    Accordingly, leftism has nothing to do with Western Civilisation.

  123. Iampeter

    Accordingly, leftism has nothing to do with Western Civilisation.

    Well, yea.
    Basically ALL cultures on earth are leftist, in that they are mystical and collectivist in one form or another.
    The West stands out from them because it was the first rational and individualistic culture. That’s why it succeeded.
    It comes from the rational and secular philosophers of ancient Greece, specifically Aristotle.
    It was derailed for over a thousand years by Christianity, which is another mystical collectivist ideology.
    Then got back on its feet again when ancient Greek writings were rediscovered in Europe, specifically Aristotle again, and mainstreamed by primarily Aquinas.
    This then led to the rennaisance, the enlightenment and what we have today.
    But our entire history is war with Christianity.
    It’s our biggest and oldest enemy at the most fundamental level.

    Those who think that Christianity created Western Civilization, so fundamentally don’t know what’s going on, that the only way to describe it is like I said in my first post, cargo cultist.

  124. JC

    Iampeter:

    Would you mind telling me what pills you’re on including the dosage?

  125. Iampeter

    JC, what happened to integrity in debates? Where are those legendary “debating skills” of yours?

    God, what a collection of embarrassing morons and losers.

  126. None

    The young man who stood calmly while some maniacal and as it turns out to be false Vietnam vet was swinging a stick in his face is true leadership material. In another video which shows one of the other Indians abusing another boy telling him that this was their land and they’re white racist whatever, he turns around and make some hand gestures to him telling the boy to just back off and not respond. He had the presence of mind to recognise that things could get out of hand and did all he could to stay calm and ensure those around him stayed calm as well.

    The boys went to the March For Life which had hundreds of thousands of participants if you saw the aerial video and in such a crowd all dressed in drab winter colours, a bright red hat is an easy way to find one of your colleagues. That they chose a MAGA hat is neither here nor there could have been gifted them from someone who helped sponsor their trip who knows but what is wrong with make America great again? Does everybody else want America to fail?

  127. None

    Well said Ros. A bunch of school kids went to their capital and watched a pile of adult acting like f****** lunatics. They did themselves proud. Nick Sandman is is leadership material.

  128. It was derailed for over a thousand years by Christianity, which is another mystical collectivist ideology.
    Then got back on its feet again when ancient Greek writings were rediscovered in Europe, specifically Aristotle again, and mainstreamed by primarily Aquinas.

    Historical rot. Christianity had preserved and used Greek writings throughout the first millenia. Have you never heard of Augustine or Boethius? As for Aristotle, some of his works were available throughout the first millenia, thanks to people like John the Grammarian, Isidore of Seville, and Stephanus. These are basic historical facts.

  129. Leo G

    God, what a collection of embarrassing morons and losers.

    Blessed are the poor in spirit.
    Amen

  130. Rae

    Don Shipley got the DD-214.

    So he says, Hun. So he says. Has he showed it to anyone yet?

    Hard to get hold of someone else’s DD-214.

  131. Ros

    Retired Navy SEAL Shipley, shares Phillips’ DD-214 on his popular YouTube account, defines Phillips as non-combat vet

    The well-known retired Navy Seal, Don Shipley has obtained the official military records of Nathan Phillips and posted a descriptive story to his YouTube account. The military records paperwork, known as a DD-214 were secured by Shipley due to his connections to the military and work in the area focusing on stolen valor.

    He says a lot of the confusion to obtaining was largely due to Nathan Phillips’ enlisting name, Nathan Stanard.

    Shipley then describes the DD-214 in which Phillips has served as a private and exited the service as a private and received one medal. He also shows that Phillips went AWOL and was stationed in Nebraska and California. He had also served as a ReferMech or Refridgerator Mechanic
    In addition to Shipley’s remarks, syndicated columnist Phil Kerpen applauded Shipley’s ability to get the military paperwork.

    In addition to Shipley’s remarks, syndicated columnist Phil Kerpen applauded Shipley’s ability to get the military paperwork.

    Seemingly shots of the paperwork,

    Shipley quotes an article from Digital Underground, which is a site that extracted the article from Vogue, He recites Phillips’ comments in the article, “You know, I’m from Vietnam times. I’m what they call a recon ranger. That was my role.”

    Shipley responds, “I got you down as an electrician.”

    Chase Iron Eyes, lead attorney for the Lakota People’s Law Project, says there has been a lot of backlash regarding Phillips’ response regarding comments at Standing Rock over the term ‘recon ranger.’

    Iron Eyes told Indian Country Today, “The recon ranger quote was taken completely out of context. I’ve known Nathan a long time. He was speaking about his role at Standing Rock, he was not talking about his role in the military. He has always said Vietnam Times or Vietnam era when referring to his military service.”

    So was he claiming to be a Vietnam vet. Well putting it about in Native Indian news that you were past on as a Vietnam vet rather suggests you are. And that media outlet is doing some correcting rather reinforces it.

    Best I can offer. Cheers

  132. struth

    As we see.
    Iampeter is ignorant youth in all it’s embarrassment.

    Hasn’t a clue about Christianity.
    A true dickhead anarchist.

  133. Rae

    Chase Iron Eyes, lead attorney for the Lakota People’s Law Project, says there has been a lot of backlash regarding Phillips’ response regarding comments at Standing Rock over the term ‘recon ranger.’

    Iron Eyes told Indian Country Today,

    The recon ranger quote was taken completely out of context. I’ve known Nathan a long time. He was speaking about his role at Standing Rock, he was not talking about his role in the military. He has always said Vietnam Times or Vietnam era when referring to his military service.”

    There you go. Thanks for that.

    Hard to get access to someone else’s DD-214 (against the law to do so?). When Shipley or someone else shows it, if he actually has it, then I’ll read it for myself. Till that occurs I don’t believe he has it or has seen it.

  134. It will be understood in such a way that disbanding these schools will be judged as a victory for liberty.

    Well, most libertarians struggle to understand liberty, so probably. But co-opting principles is a scourge that must be fought as hard as any principle, but it diminishes those same principles.

    Deception is the devil’s work. I sure you understand that.

  135. It is, which is why I don’t confuse liberty with liberalism.

  136. None

    Lumpeter – you moronic galoot. Like all ignorant s*** ya think that Christianity is only a product of the Latin West – you’re not a collapsed Catholic with Daddy Issues by any chance are you? Christianity started in the east and was a Greek speaking phenomenon from the beginning – they used to Greek translation of the Old Testament and of course the New Testament documents were written and circulated in Greek – and eastern Christians educated under classical Greek paideia preserved both Christian and classical Greek works, the latter of which they used critically, It was Greek speaking Christians who even translated classics like Aristotle into Arabic after the Muslim conquests and who helped transfer all that knowledge back to the West at various times right up to the fall of Constantinople. In fact during the reformation and counter reformation Vatican dudes relied on Greek scholars – many exiles – to transcribe and translate the Greek church fathers. Augustine of course is huge in the West and was a hugely prolific author but even he relied on Latin translations of greek peaking Eastern theologians.

  137. P

    Robert Barnes, the lawyer representing several of the families from Covington Catholic High School, received a bomb threat on Wednesday afternoon.

    The threat comes after he gave 48 hour notice for celebrities, media outlets, politicians and journalists 48 hours to retract and apologize for any defamatory statements against the Covington kids or potentially be named in lawsuits next week.

  138. None

    I’m glad to hear that some of the families of the Covington boys are hitting back. Of course the school is there an apology as well because according to the Washington Times and a couple of other media outlets the school issued a statement soon after this story broke condemning the boys behaviour and apologising to the Indian community. Now of course if that so-called statement was also fake then man oh man bring on the lawyers.

  139. TerjeP

    You’re apparently allowed to hate people who wear a MAGA hat. But not people that wear a Hijab.

    We need to judge people based on behaviour. And merely disagree regarding ideas. MAGA hats and Hijabs are being used as a way to prosecute (socially) people for thought crimes.

    Behave like a civilised person and I will treat you as such. Even if you have some uncivilised ideas.

  140. dover_each

    Did any of those making threats on Twitter have their accounts suspended for violations of Twitter policy? I don’t think so. Funny that.

  141. dover_beach

    Did any of those making threats on Twitter have their accounts suspended for violations of Twitter policy? I don’t think so. Funny that.

  142. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    Not willing to apologise Vox continues to put the boot in
    The smirking silence with which Sandmann confronted elder Nathan Phillips was actually incredibly telling, according to Adam Howard, an education professor at Colby College and the author of Learning Privilege: Lessons of Power and Identity in Affluent Schooling. Sandmann’s expression clearly “communicates that I’m better than you, that I don’t even have enough respect for you to even say anything to communicate,” Howard told me.

    The student’s behavior was the embodiment of privilege, Howard said, and nothing that came after the initial viral video changes that.

  143. Rae:

    Hard to get access to someone else’s DD-214 (against the law to do so?). When Shipley or someone else shows it, if he actually has it, then I’ll read it for myself. Till that occurs I don’t believe he has it or has seen it.

    You’ll find it under O’bamas birth certificate and Law degree submission.

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