Open Forum: January 26, 2019

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  1. John Constantine

    Once stabby bishop gets leadership of the rump of the liberals, she can become loyal deputy to shorten in a bipartisan unity ticket on transnationalism, united nations treaties, deindustrialisation, legalised bribery and corruption among their kleptocratic elites and the economic genocide of old australia.

    The turnbullites backing shorten in the senate makes any minor senate party voiceless.

    Comrades.

  2. Tel

    In principle, it is quite possible to compensate owners for wipeouts. Of course, such compensation would need to be paid for… Oops, all the Cats just lost interest.

    Ahhh why?

    Property ownership means you have paid for a certain amenity. If anyone wants to change that, then the owner should get a veto over loss of amenity… it’s fundamental to the concept of ownership.

    If someone wants to build something that helps the property owner then there won’t be a veto. Pretty simple concept, can’t see why anyone struggles with it… perhaps everyone understands and yet pretends not to understand, that would make sense.

  3. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Can we please stop using the term “First Peoples”; it is factually and historically incorrect, as well as being a cultural appropriation from the USA.
    Story: Stop this Australia Day insult
    REJECTED
    2 HOURS AGO

    It took me four goes, but I did get a comment passed about how could a collection of nomadic tribesmen, with a culture unchanged since the Stone Age, and without even a written language, be considered a “First Nation.”

  4. egg_

    ‘have you stopped beating your wife?’

    When he left Labor?

  5. John Constantine

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZGe3V9mEfbk

    Stabby mcstabbyface bishop on the final solution to the prole problem.

  6. Confused Old Misfit

    there isn’t a massive boom around the corner.

    Says Monty!

    Tell us, Oh Sage Masters of the Universe, where should we invest our meager funds so that we can make an ill gotten motza?
    BOOM times are coming now for sure!

  7. Let’s assume that we get another couple of hot days (after all it is summer) and we now know what it takes to break the Viktoristan electricity supply. (S.A. doesn’t matter)

    We can expect the blackouts and wholesale price insanity to occur at least once more this summer.

    The ALP/Gangrenes will assure the peasants that the ‘ebil coal’ caused the problem and more windmills will solve the problem.
    The peasants will continue to accept that the ‘ebil’ COAL and SEE OH TOO is to blame for the rotting fish in the freezer and the thawing, missing neighbour in freezer in the garage and, of course, the warm beer.

    The ALP/Gangrenes will be able to keep a lid on things for 3 or 4 summers, as things get worse each year.

    BUT when the peasants realize that they have been suckered, things will fall apart and anarchy will be unleashed.

    h/t Yeats

    The best lack all conviction, while the worst are full of passionate intensity.

  8. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    VC hero’s mistress ‘at risk of murder’, lawyers claim

    Deborah Cornwall
    Journalist
    @deborahcornwall
    12:00AM January 26, 2019
    1 Comment

    A Federal Court judge has ruled the identity of a former mistress of war hero Ben Roberts-Smith should be suppressed in an upcoming defamation trial after her legal team claimed she was at “high” risk of being killed if named.

    The ruling follows a series of explosive allegations by the woman — referred to in Federal Court documents as Person 17.

    They include her claim she had a secret six-month affair with Mr Roberts-Smith that ended last year after he allegedly punched her in the face and gave her a black eye after the couple had attended a dinner in Canberra on May 28.

    In a 60-page statement by Person 17, tendered in the Federal Court, she says the day after the alleged assault she had kept a series of texts between the pair when Mr Roberts-Smith had been worried about whether Person 17’s husband would buy their story about how she got a black eye. She said Mr Roberts-Smith had “coached” her to lie to her husband that she had injured herself when she fell down some stairs at dinner the night before.

    Person 17 said she had later complained to ACT police about being assaulted by Mr Roberts-Smith and gave them a photograph of herself with a black eye and copies of the Telegram texts between the pair.

    But she said she later withdrew her complaint because she was “scared for my safety and that of my children if I am identified”.

    Person 17’s lawyer, Clarissa Amato, told the court in November those fears had later escalated after media reports revealed she would be giving evidence against Mr Roberts-Smith, a 39-year-old former corporal in the elite Special Air Services Regiment.

    Ms Amato said that had made her client a target of social media “vitriol” and she was now on medication for panic attacks.

    She said some of the Facebook posts had amounted to death threats, including the comment “the people behind these smears (of Mr Roberts-Smith) should be exposed then hung, drawn and quartered”. Other posts accused her of lying about the domestic ­violence claims, ­describing her as a “money-grubbing slag”.

    From the Oz.

  9. John Constantine

    A literally toxic Nazi heteronormative patriarchial aussie western industrial settler outpost glimpse of our recent comedic past.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M7kxl3deZm4

    Nigel the nazi cares for kids.

    Comrades.

  10. John Constantine

    Delvene Delany walking the wild streets of Melbourne.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LALBh1BbhAU

    Happy Australia Day.

  11. from jonova’s Kinky Keith on new coal plants:

    The EU has 468 plants building 27 more for a total of 495
    Turkey has 56 plants building 93 more total 149
    South Africa has 79 building 24 more total 103
    India has 589 building 446 more total 1036
    Philippines has 19 building 60 more total 79
    South Korea has 58 building 26 more total 84
    Japan has 90 building 45 more total 135
    AND CHINA has 2363 building 1171 more total 3534

    The COAL is dead. Long live the COAL

  12. egg_

    They include her claim she had a secret six-month affair with Mr Roberts-Smith that ended last year after he allegedly punched her in the face and gave her a black eye after the couple had attended a dinner in Canberra on May 28.

    ‘roid rage?
    Looks like he’s been pumping iron.

  13. Tom

    The ALP/Gangrenes will be able to keep a lid on things for 3 or 4 summers, as things get worse each year.

    You’re a very optimistic cap’n, cap’n. Even with the Fucktard Media Industrial Complex churning out 24/7 propaganda for the Filth’s collapsing 19th century “solution”, I’m a’feared she’ll blow as the deplorables tire of hundreds of dollars worth of tucker spoiling in the freezer each summer.

  14. I’m a’feared she’ll blow as the deplorables tire of hundreds of dollars worth of tucker spoiling in the freezer each summer.

    Slow learners.

  15. Mitch M.

    It took me four goes, but I did get a comment passed about how could a collection of nomadic tribesmen, with a culture unchanged since the Stone Age, and without even a written language, be considered a “First Nation.”

    It’s cultural appropriation. “Nation” was a concept foreign to Australia until outsiders arrived so we should insist indigenous peoples stop using it. Same goes for their flag, a very European idea. The hypocrisy and contradictions around indigenous issues is staggering and depressing. We can’t win this game because logic has long since left the debate and it is now about who can point out the purported racists.

  16. Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me.
    In Australia this modified as follows:

    Fool me 10 times, shame on you; fool me 50 times, shame on me.

  17. Boambee John

    LOL, m0nty of the fascist left comes on here gloating that a few more soft lefties of the Lieboral party will not contest the next election.

    If he bothered to read more than his own fascist left ramblings here, he might have noticed that most posters here despise the Lieborals almost as much as we loathe the fascist left “progressives” of the Australian Liars Party and the communist lefty watermelons of the Slime.

    Ha. Ha, ha, ha, ha, …

  18. Memoryvault

    At least Bernardi’s AC, the ALA and the SFF have some intelligent people. The LNP, ALP and Greens have gone byebyes into looney unicorn land.

    Nonetheless, you will end up voting Labor or the LNP next election, Bruce.
    Our compulsory preferential voting system pretty-much guarantees it.

  19. Same goes for their flag

    Thanks to the Gibson Desert Shandong Petrochemical plant.
    Flags manufactured from the best of synthetic hydrocarbons (sourced from fossil fuels) and the best of synthetic dyes.
    The cloth is then woven by the traditional computer controlled weaving looms.
    Only traditional computers and traditional embedded software is used in the traditional manufacturing process.

  20. Memoryvault

    If he bothered to read more than his own fascist left ramblings here, he might have noticed that most posters here despise the Lieborals almost as much as we loathe the fascist left “progressives” of the Australian Liars Party and the communist lefty watermelons of the Slime.

    Ditto for you, John.

  21. egg_

    If he bothered to read more than his own fascist left ramblings here, he might have noticed that most posters here despise the Lieborals almost as much as we loathe the fascist left “progressives” of the Australian Liars Party and the communist lefty watermelons of the Slime.

    Teh Australia Day Golden Rake Award.

  22. egg_

    Only traditional computers and traditional embedded software is used in the traditional manufacturing process.

    Via traditional wifi?

  23. egg_

    m0nty of the fascist left comes on here gloating that a few more soft lefties of the Lieboral party will not contest the next election.

    /Taking out the trash

  24. Boambee John

    MV at 1352

    Ditto for you, John.

    Does this refer to your earlier comment about compulsory preferential voting, or to who reads what here?

  25. Des Deskperson

    The latest on Cranstongate:

    https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/he-s-pretty-discreet-isn-t-he-father-son-calls-aired-in-tax-office-trial-20190125-p50tpt.html

    I won’t comment for obvious reasons, but i like this bit, from the tapes played in court:

    “Michael Bede Cranston was heard speaking to his son Adam, who affectionately called him “Big Fella”,”

    Somehow the sort of blokey but subordinate salutation that a dad from a macho and hierarchical cutlure like ATO might expect from his boy.

    I’m predicting that if Cranston is found guilty, he won’t go anywhere near jail. ‘Misplaced filial affection’, ‘sterling record up to now’, ‘punished enough already’. Besides, I know of cases of APS employees who actually embezzled tens of thousands of taxpayer dollars but were spared the slammer.

  26. Old Lefty

    One of the greatest vices of the proles, John Constantine at 1252, is that, much to the disgust of the Wintours of the world, they insist on wanting to breed.

    See the Johannes Leak cartoon in today’s Oz.

  27. Memoryvault

    Does this refer to your earlier comment about compulsory preferential voting, or to who reads what here?

    Sorry John.
    It was meant to immediately follow the comment to Bruce, but Rambler got in between.
    Yes, compulsory preferential voting, and where your vote will end up.

    And please call me Peter.
    All my friends do.

  28. but Rambler got in between

    Ouch.
    But nothing an enema won’t fix.

  29. Memoryvault

    Ouch.

    Not your fault, Rambler. Just the random luck of the draw.
    I probably would have made it too, if I hadn’t typed “dirro” instead of “ditto”, and had to fix it before hitting the “post comment” tab.

  30. bespoke

    Just got some stuff from Bunning ($30) to fix a pipe instead paying an artisan around $600 to fix it. Risking being hit by crazy boomer divers is still worth the savings.

  31. Memoryvault

    Risking being hit by crazy boomer divers is still worth the savings.

    Your Bunnings has a swimming pool?
    What will they think of next?

  32. 132andBush

    Good vids on the subsidy mining devices, egg_

    He quotes it operates at a 23% capacity, what a joke, in fact he almost seems embarrassed admitting it.

    Wind has to be moving at 3m/sec (10.8km) and at the time of recording it wasn’t so the blades were “idling”. Although the main drive is disengaged that still means the main hub bearings are wearing out for no return at the very least.
    Then there’s all the ancillary equipment sitting there.
    Multiply this dozens of times for a wind farm.

    He then smugly states it paid for itself after 6 years! “Even without the grant they received”.
    Doesn’t say anything about feed in tariffs the rest of the community is forced to pay for his Potemkin windmill.

  33. JC

    It’s a bit wonkish, but it doesn’t remove from the provocative tone of this research paper coming out of Stamford Uni. Rather than raising the top rates on the highest income earners, the paper argues high income earners should be encouraged… ENCOURAGED … with a negative income tax. In other words the tax system should be used to offer a prize to people once they reach a high income level. The reason is that their ideas etc add so much to the income of those below.

    Conclusion
    This paper considers the taxation of top incomes when the following conditions apply: (i) new ideas drive economic growth, (ii) the reward for creating a successful innovationis a top income, and (iii) innovation cannot be perfectly targeted by a separate research subsidy. These conditions lead to a new term in the Saez (2001) formula for the optimaltop tax rate: by slowing the creation of the new ideas that drive aggregate GDP, top income taxation reduces everyone’s income, not just the income at the top. When the creation of ideas is the ultimate source of economic growth, this force sharply constrains both revenue-maximizing and welfare-maximizing top tax rates. For example, for extreme parameter values, maximizing the welfare of the middle class requires a negative top tax rate: the higher income that results from the subsidy to innovation
    more than makes up for the lost redistribution. More generally, the calibrated model suggests that incorporating ideas and economic growth cuts the optimal top marginal tax rate substantially relative to thebasic Saez calculation. The point of this paper is not to provide a precisely calculated value of the “correct”
    optimal top tax rate. As the extensive literature points out, there are many considerations that need to be taken into account to provide such a number. Instead, the point is that the existing literature has neglected an important consideration that appears to have a first-order effect on the calculation. When the return
    to the discovery of new ideas is an important part of the compensation of top earners, the non-rivalry of these ideas means that distortions to innovation can have large effects on other people’s incomes, and therefore on the optimal top tax rate itself.

    What a breath of fresh ideas coming out of academia.

    https://www8.gsb.columbia.edu/faculty-research/sites/faculty-research/files/finance/Macro%20Workshop/toptax.pdf?mod=article_inline

  34. Bruce of Newcastle

    Nonetheless, you will end up voting Labor or the LNP next election, Bruce.

    MV – No I won’t. I’ve known how to colour in with pencils since I was 3. In the Senate I’ll do 12 below the line and exhaust.

  35. bespoke

    Memoryvault
    #2918074, posted on January 26, 2019 at 2:14 pm
    Risking being hit by crazy boomer divers is still worth the savings.
    Your Bunnings has a swimming pool?

    He cheers ‘drivers’

    What’s stopping AC gaining at least the same level of influence as the Greens?

  36. stackja

    Anti-Australia Day protest shuts down CBD traffic
    Brianna Travers, Ashley Argoon, Sunday Herald Sun
    7 minutes ago
    Subscriber only

    Thousands have gathered at State Parliament to protest Australia Day.

    Protesters have pushed past a police line to walk down Bourke Street from State Parliament House.

    Protesters are chanting a variety of chants including “no pride in genocide” and “always was, always will be Aboriginal land.”

    The protest remains peaceful but is shutting down CBD traffic.

    rotesters have been seen waving Aboriginal and Australian flags as well as signs saying ‘end genocide’.

    Speakers have campaigned for the removal of public drunkenness and the end of Manus Island.

    They have also wanted to stop homophobia, transphobia and sexism in Australian society.

    The protest has shut down the intersection of Bourke Street and Spring Street.

    Hundreds of police surround the area including the mounted brigade.

    The Sunday Herald Sun witnessed one right wing counter protester attempt to antagonise the protest but he was quickly removed by police and booed.

    The protest concluded at 2pm and trams are now running again throughout the CBD.

  37. Bruce of Newcastle

    Btw, never leave your ballot blank. Activists with pencils love such things.

  38. Bruce of Newcastle

    What’s stopping AC gaining at least the same level of influence as the Greens?

    The media.

  39. Memoryvault

    We’re not talking about the Senate, Bruce.
    The Senate does not form government.
    The government is formed by whichever party wins or controls the majority of seats in the HoR.
    And in the HoR you WILL vote for ALL the candidates, or cast an informal vote.
    That being the case, your vote WILL almost always end up with either Labor, or the LNP.
    The compulsory preferential system all but guarantees it.

  40. Nick

    Protesters are chanting a variety of chants including “no pride in genocide” and “always was, always will be Aboriginal land.”

    Genocide eh? But there are enough left for a protest, along with it still being Aboriginal land. Some wipeout.

  41. stackja

    Brianna TraversVerified account
    @briannatravers
    Producer on @3AW693 Drive & weekend reporter @theHeraldSun. DMs open. Email: [email protected]

  42. Memoryvault

    And please call me Peter.
    All my friends do.
    Even Marilyn calls me Peter.

    Sometimes.

  43. Nick

    What’s stopping AC gaining at least the same level of influence as the Greens?

    Policies that are promoted and articulated to a voting public.

  44. Memoryvault

    What’s stopping AC gaining at least the same level of influence as the Greens?

    Cory Bernardi.

  45. stackja

    TasWeekend: State’s shack culture under threat
    TIM MARTAIN , Mercury
    January 26, 2019 10:00am
    Subscriber only

    THE remote Tasmanian town of Southport, almost as far south as you can go on this island, is blessed with a beautiful arc of sand, Kingfish Beach, sweeping along the edge of the sheltered bay.

    Sitting right on the beach, sand virtually at their doorsteps, is a line of shacks and small houses, relics of an era when planning restrictions were as rare as hen’s teeth. Today there is little chance anyone could get approval to plonk a holiday house right on the beach like this.

    But while regulations have changed, the houses remain. However, looming up in the road behind these shacks are giant new homes, some permanent residences, some holiday homes. These are symptomatic of what might be the biggest threat to traditional Tasmanian shack life: the shrinking of the island in terms of how much easier it is to travel now.

    Places such as Carlton River and Dodges Ferry used to be holiday townships 20 to 40 years ago, places where people built basic shacks they visited on vacation, and would stay a week or two. Distance and the poor state of the roads meant people would plan their journeys and aim to stay once they got there.

    But, with better roads and faster cars, what used to be holiday towns are now commuter towns. Permanent residents have moved in, happy to make the now short drive to the city to work each day, and as permanent homes moved in, shacks got squeezed out. Suddenly it was easier to live at the beach, rather than weekending there.

    Shanties were bought and renovated or bulldozed, replaced with bigger homes as these prime waterfront blocks became highly sought after. As cities sprawl and towns become outlying suburbs, much of the unique culture of these close-knit shack communities has been lost.

  46. Bruce of Newcastle

    We’re not talking about the Senate, Bruce.

    MV – The AC doesn’t stand in the Reps, nor the ALA, and I’m not in an electorate where the SFF field candidates, so basically yes it’s the Senate.

    Whoever forms government in the HoR can go play with themselves. Or, as often happens, each other .As I said, the LNP, ALP and Greens are all off with the fairies at the moment. If they want my vote they need to find some brains and sanity.

    And in the HoR you WILL vote for ALL the candidates, or cast an informal vote.

    Last I saw it isn’t illegal to cast an informal vote. For some reason they don’t include a ‘none of the above’ box on Reps papers. I follow the instructions on the paper exactly: first I number all the boxes then, since it doesn’t say that I can’t do it, I colour all the boxes in. Makes me feel fulfilled in a passive-aggressive sort of way.

  47. Eyrie

    “What’s stopping AC gaining at least the same level of influence as the Greens?”
    Nobody has heard of them and Bernardi doesn’t have any mongrel in him.

  48. Tel

    always was, always will be Aboriginal land.

    Are they talking about the first wave of Negrito settlement, or are they referring to the second wave?

  49. min

    Re the complaint about a war hero.
    She claimed ms he. Gave her a black eye and they worked out on text how to get story past husband. I understood they were at a formal forrnal dinner in Canberra what explanations did she give hubby to cover that . Surely a photo would have put an end to that lie

  50. bespoke

    MV it was in response to:

    Nonetheless, you will end up voting Labor or the LNP next election, Bruce.
    Our compulsory preferential voting system pretty-much guarantees it.

    So Ill reframe my query. If the Greens can do it what’s stopping others?

  51. Memoryvault

    Makes me feel fulfilled in a passive-aggressive sort of way.

    Good for you!
    Nonethess, your vote STILL mostly ends up with Labor or the LNP.
    The system is designed to ensure it.

    Assuming, of course, that your vote is still legible through your colouring in.
    If not, then it’s counted as informal.

    .
    As an aside it is actually illegal to cast an informal vote.
    There’s just no way to prove in a court of law, that somebody did.
    Not yet, anyway.
    But they’re working on it.

  52. egg_

    Thousands have gathered at State Parliament to protest Australia Day.

    Melbournians should get out more often.

  53. Bruce of Newcastle

    Protesters are chanting a variety of chants including “no pride in genocide” and “always was, always will be Aboriginal land.”

    Do they mean Indonesia? That’s where Aboriginal people come from. Ms Payne should ask the Indo Embassy to set up a special allocation of seats in the Indo Parliament for Aboriginal people.

  54. Memoryvault

    “What’s stopping AC gaining at least the same level of influence as the Greens?”
    Nobody has heard of them and Bernardi doesn’t have any mongrel in him.

    +100 Eyrie.

  55. Infidel Tiger

    Are they talking about the first wave of Negrito settlement, or are they referring to the second wave?

    Australia has a fascinating pre-European history that no one is allowed to discuss.

    Such a shame the Abos committed so many genocides.

  56. Baldrick

    Now we’re getting closer to the truth:

    Australia Day protest held in London:
    Yesterday about two dozen people gathered on Westminster Bridge near the Houses of Parliament in London to protest against Australia Day.
    Alongside an Aboriginal flag, the group unfurled on the bridge railings a 25-metre banner calling for an end to the celebration of Australia Day, ‘Abolish Australia Day‘. The group was not moved on by police, with the banner remaining in place for about 20 minutes.
    Our point is not really to get a large crowd here in Westminster but to have our voices heard there in Australia,” one of the activists Eda Seyhan said. “We are here with a visible sign of solidarity for those protesting in Australia on Australia Day, to show our solidarity with Indigenous people in Australia who see this as a day of mourning.”

  57. Memoryvault

    So Ill reframe my query. If the Greens can do it what’s stopping others?

    See Eyrie above.

  58. min

    Different DNA in Mungo man so I have heard.

  59. Bruce of Newcastle

    As an aside it is actually illegal to cast an informal vote.

    MV – Link please.
    My fall back is to take a pair of scissors and cut the paper up into confetti, then pour it into the slot.

  60. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6634103/Aboriginal-leader-Australia-Day-time-declare-atrocities-taken-place-land.html

    The Governor of New South Wales, urging more Aboriginal languages to be taught in schools….

    Oh, and if it is to be declared that atrocities took place, does that include Cullien La Ringo, Hornet Bank and several other locations…

  61. egg_

    In the gearbox repair video, the German repairer stated that gearboxes last 7-10 years and cost 90-100,000 Euros to repair – two thirds of the cost of a new unit.
    Multiply by n x turbines per windfarm.

    The windfarm looks a trifle unreliable and costly at the 7 year mark.

  62. Boambee John

    MV at 1402

    And please call me Peter.
    All my friends do.

    Thanks Peter.

  63. Tel

    Nobody has heard of them and Bernardi doesn’t have any mongrel in him.

    At least for this election cycle and maybe the next, Bernandi will automatically benefit because the Liberals are busy stabbing themselves in the eye with a fork. Admittedly, this situation won’t last forever but who knows?

  64. Boambee John

    PS

    I can’t even put the incumbents last here, as they have decided to take the money and run (both at state and federal level)!

  65. Infidel Tiger

    What if I told you that a lot of these “right wing” parties actually didn’t want to gain anymore representatives, but only wanted to become fund raising machines for lazy ideologues that love the limelight but hate the grind?

  66. What if I told you…

    Then I would say that you are probably correct.

  67. Memoryvault

    MV – Link please.
    My fall back is to take a pair of scissors and cut the paper up into confetti, then pour it into the slot.

    Nah.
    All this was discussed extensively here back in 2016, before the last general election.
    Then somebody posted a link to the relevant Act spelling it out.
    Legally you are required to cast a valid vote.
    An informal vote doesn’t cut it legally.
    It’s just that there is no valid, legal way to “prove” somebody voted informally.

    And you can call me Peter, please.

  68. Chris

    Just got some stuff from Bunning ($30) to fix a pipe instead paying an artisan around $600 to fix it. Risking being hit by crazy boomer divers is still worth the savings.

    Has anyone noticed that despite their welcome to all genders, Bunnings still participates in the ‘blokey place’ plus-2 hotness bonus for lady customers?

  69. If Bernardi had some cojones he’d run Reps candidates in every seat vacated by a retiring LNP MP. Plus Dickson, he really should target Dickson.

  70. Memoryvault

    Bruce of Newcastle
    #2918104, posted on January 26, 2019 at 2:55 pm

    I replied, Bruce, and it is now “awaiting moderation”.

    And you can call me Peter, if you like.

  71. John A

    From my headline feed ex news.com.au:

    Cave divers first dual winners

    Last night, Richard Harris and Craig Challen became the first dual winners of the Australian of the Year.

    Strewth, they can’t even get that right!

    The Seekers joint Australians of the Year 1968, award presented by Prime Minister John Gorton during their record-breaking Australian tour.

  72. Infidel Tiger

    Just got some stuff from Bunning ($30) to fix a pipe instead paying an artisan around $600 to fix it. Risking being hit by crazy boomer divers is still worth the savings.

    You damned fool.

    Localism is about self suffiency, personal responsibility and accountability.

    You are practising my mantra without even knowing it.

    You are the artisan.

  73. dover_beach

    Extraordinary video by Sargon of Akkad on the British Police ‘checking your thinking’. Where will this end?

  74. Memoryvault

    Has anyone noticed that despite their welcome to all genders, Bunnings still participates in the ‘blokey place’ plus-2 hotness bonus for lady customers?

    Not to mention the fact that their plumbing section still sells “male” and “female” pipe fittings.
    Disgraceful!

  75. Nick

    What if I told you that a lot of these “right wing” parties actually didn’t want to gain anymore representatives, but only wanted to become fund raising machines for lazy ideologues that love the limelight but hate the grind?

    It’s true. They think that all you need to do is put ‘conservative ‘ in the Party name and watch the funds and votes roll in.

  76. Loose page from the Liberal Party Handbook found in garbage bin

    . Don’t say anything that might upset the Gangrenes or the ALP.
    . Don’t argue with anyone from the ABC.
    . Accept whatever the ABC says is true.
    . Climate Change is real.
    . More migrants from 3rd world sh1tholes -> good
    . Coal -> bad
    . More tax -> good
    . Manufacturers -> bad
    . White guys -> evil
    . Carbon pollution causes earthquakes
    . Social license -> good

  77. Chris

    Last I saw it isn’t illegal to cast an informal vote. For some reason they don’t include a ‘none of the above’ box on Reps papers. I follow the instructions on the paper exactly: first I number all the boxes then, since it doesn’t say that I can’t do it, I colour all the boxes in. Makes me feel fulfilled in a passive-aggressive sort of way.

    I am a deep believer in the ‘Sitting Member Last’ vote, exercised beforehand by printing a full ream of flyers for it and thumping them on the desk of the sitting Member.
    Now we will be stuck with Standing (maybe) Members, not sitting ones.

  78. Steve trickler.

    Enjoy today everyone.



  79. Memoryvault

    If Bernardi had some cojones he’d run Reps candidates in every seat vacated by a retiring LNP MP. Plus Dickson, he really should target Dickson.

    Bernardi and the AC ran HoR candidates in two of the many by-elections held last year.
    First one they got 4.16% of the first preference vote, and just got back their deposit and the ~$2.70.
    The second time they got 3.6% and got nothing.

    Hopefully, Bernardi learned the error of his ways.

  80. Tel

    Not to mention the fact that their plumbing section still sells “male” and “female” pipe fittings.
    Disgraceful!

    I once saw a transitioning fitting… can I say that here?

  81. Memoryvault

    Loose page from the Liberal Party Handbook found in garbage bin

    Rambler, that is so true it isn’t even really funny.
    But I laughed anyway.

  82. Tel

    Loose page from the Liberal Party Handbook found in garbage bin

    I believe in small miracles.

    The Liberal Party still know how to use a garbage bin!

  83. Memoryvault

    I am a deep believer in the ‘Sitting Member Last’ vote,

    The only meaningful thing anybody can do now, Chris.
    Unfortunately when it was proposed a few months ago by both Dot and myself, Cats universally rejected the idea.
    Apparently it doesn’t guarantee your vote eventually goes to the LNP, and not Labor.

    As if there was a difference.

  84. Confused Old Misfit

    “The Big Island”
    In late 1979, before being interviewed to determine our fitness to be admitted to “The Big Island”, we got a batch of films (yes, those celluloid rolls some of you will recall) on Australia so we could demonstrate that we knew a little bit about the country.
    The Big Island may have been one of them.
    Brings back memories.

  85. Memoryvault

    The Liberal Party still know how to use a garbage bin!

    Which is invariably emptied by a union card-carrying Labor voter.

  86. bespoke

    Nonethess, your vote STILL mostly ends up with Labor or the LNP.

    Evan when the Greens don’t get in having 10% of the vote has pushed the main party’s to the left so I don’t think its a waste of time tying to do the reverse.

  87. So many ten-pound Poms on this site. Go back to where you came from!

  88. JC

    Channel 9 is currently broadcasting two blokes on wheelchairs presumably pretending to be playing tennis.

  89. Confused Old Misfit

    So many ten-pound Poms on this site. Go back to where you came from!

    If you’re referring to me you’re out by about 63.582687 degrees of longitude.
    Racist asshole!

  90. Tel

    Which is invariably emptied by a union card-carrying Labor voter.

    I would avoid using the word “invariably” when discussing any task delegated to unionized labour.

  91. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    So many ten-pound Poms on this site. Go back to where you came from!

    Tell me, oh Fascist hyena, why don’t you find some Lefty paradise, and fuck off there. North Korea or Venezuela would suit you.

  92. Nick

    So many ten-pound Poms on this site. Go back to where you came from!

    Monty’s people have been here for 50,0000 years, the gobblethelot tribe.

  93. Memoryvault

    Evan when the Greens don’t get in having 10% of the vote has pushed the main party’s to the left so I don’t think its a waste of time tying to do the reverse.

    Let me see if I’ve got the logic straight, Bespoke.
    For whatever reason, the main parties are moving further to the left.
    Your solution is to preference them (give them your vote) ahead of the Greens.

    Yeah. That should work.
    Sarc / OFF

  94. LOL look at them all bob their heads up like cockroaches under an incandescent globe.

  95. Nick

    Please, I want to hear more from a bloke named Montgomery lecture us about English immigrants.

  96. Diogenes

    It’s cultural appropriation. “Nation” was a concept foreign to Australia until outsiders arrived so we should insist indigenous peoples stop using it. Same goes for their flag, a very European idea. The hypocrisy and contradictions around indigenous issues is staggering and depressing. We can’t win this game because logic has long since left the debate and it is now about who can point out the purported racists.

    Ditto the Didge & dot painting. The didge was unknown in the Soutrhern & Eastern States. Having indig kids in NSW to play them would be like insisting Hungarians wear tartans and play bagpipes – because the Scots and Hungarians are both European

  97. Memoryvault

    A direct hit, Nick.
    Good shooting.

  98. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Please, I want to hear more from a bloke named Montgomery lecture us about English immigrants.

    You’ll have to wait until he’s sober.

  99. Nick

    Ditto the Didge & dot painting. The didge was unknown in the Soutrhern & Eastern States. Having indig kids in NSW to play them would be like insisting Hungarians wear tartans and play bagpipes – because the Scots and Hungarians are both European

    Yep, let alone letting women touch or play one.

  100. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    It’s cultural appropriation. “Nation” was a concept foreign to Australia until outsiders arrived so we should insist indigenous peoples stop using it. Same goes for their flag, a very European idea.

    “Welcome to Country?”

  101. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    Please, I want to hear more from a bloke named Montgomery lecture us about English immigrants.

    manboob’s low self-awareness is legendary

  102. Mitch M.

    Are they talking about the first wave of Negrito settlement, or are they referring to the second wave?

    It is a fascinating idea and I’m inclined to believe it. More widely the current state of anthropology is in flux with many new finds raising questions challenging the prevailing views. Relying on the current state of knowledge to assert claims like … oldest continuous culture … original inhabitants … is not warranted because of very limited evidence in a field which is under constant revision.

  103. My ancestor had no choice in the matter, Nick.

    Recent drop-ins from Scunthorpe, Shitterton and Cockfoster have no such excuse.

  104. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    Why?!?!?
    Wonderful baby news for Ian Thorpe
    Aussie gold medallist Ian Thorpe, 36, and his partner of three years Ryan Channing, 28, have confirmed that they’re taking the first steps towards welcoming a baby into their lives.

  105. bespoke

    Memoryvault
    #2918145, posted on January 26, 2019 at 3:38 pm
    Let me see if I’ve got the logic straight, Bespoke.
    For whatever reason, the main parties are moving further to the left.
    Your solution is to preference them (give them your vote) ahead of the Greens.
    Yeah. That should work.
    Sarc / OFF

    That from some one that constantly complains of being picked on.

  106. zyconoclast

    Delvene Delany walking the wild streets of Melbourne.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LALBh1BbhAU

    Happy Australia Day.

    A good sort!

  107. DrBeauGan

    Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)
    #2918162, posted on January 26, 2019 at 3:58 pm
    Why?!?!?
    Wonderful baby news for Ian Thorpe
    Aussie gold medallist Ian Thorpe, 36, and his partner of three years Ryan Channing, 28, have confirmed that they’re taking the first steps towards welcoming a baby into their lives.

    Because if you are desperately trying to convince yourself that you don’t have your wires crossed, bringing up a child helps you look normal. Or so poofs think.

  108. If the Uniparty wants my vote they will have to pry it from my cold dead hands.

    Er.. Hang on a moment …

    Confirmed! The ALP has been getting dead person votes for, at least, the last 40 years.

    How depressing. When I die I will become an ALP voter.

  109. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    Because if you are desperately trying to convince yourself that you don’t have your wires crossed, bringing up a child helps you look normal. Or so poofs think.

    God invented small animal for this purpose likes hairless cats and chihuahuas .

  110. My ancestor had no choice in the matter, Nick.

    Recent drop-ins from Scu nthorpe, Sh itterton and Co ckfoster have no such excuse.

  111. Boambee John

    m0nty
    #2918138, posted on January 26, 2019 at 3:31 pm
    So many ten-pound Poms on this site. Go back to where you came from!

    Racist!

  112. Nick

    My ancestor had no choice in the matter, Nick.

    Recent drop-ins from Scu nthorpe, Sh itterton and Co ckfoster have no such excuse.

    So Monty. Your ancestor was here when the ‘genocide’ took place,but it’s more recent immigrants, those who didn’t harm those indigenous, that you blame ?

  113. DrBeauGan

    I’ve always been Australian, but I admit to having been trapped in a pom’s body during my early years. It wore off. No surgery needed.

  114. Boambee John

    Nick
    #2918149, posted on January 26, 2019 at 3:45 pm
    Please, I want to hear more from a bloke named Montgomery lecture us about English immigrants.

    Originally a French (Norman?) name, Montgomerie. So, descendent of invaders of a foreign land, murderers of the rightful king Harold of England.

    Hardly surprising how obnoxious he is, being a froggie.

  115. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    Shitholification accomplished

    Zibelman said no country could afford “100 per cent reliability, over all hours and all circumstances”.

    Ariel Liebman, the deputy director of the Monash Energy Materials and Systems Institute (MEMSI) at Monash University, said while Friday’s outages were unfortunate for those who experienced them, they were in fact a demonstration of the grid operating in the way it was designed.

    Outages are expected and in fact designed into the system according to a carefully considered formula trading cost versus reliability,” he said.

    He said the National Energy Market had a “reliability standard” which allowed 36,000 customers to be without power for an entire 24 hours, or 88,000 customers to be without power for 10 hours.

    Associate professor Liebman said Friday’s outage was well within this standard and “unless this happens more than 12 times in 2019 the system will have served its purpose”.

  116. Confused Old Misfit

    My ancestor had no choice in the matter, Nick.

    But you do!
    You could F.O. to Venezuela or some other socialist sh*thole where you might be happier.
    But no, you haven’t got either the balls or the brains to organize that!

  117. So Monty. Your ancestor was here when the ‘genocide’ took place,but it’s more recent immigrants, those who didn’t harm those indigenous, that you blame ?

    Not really, Nick. I do blame just about every recent Pommy immigrant I have met for being crashing bores.

  118. Infidel Tiger

    Fantastic.

    Ace cyber bullied Super Cuck John Podhoretz into deleting his twitter account.

  119. Memoryvault

    That from some one that constantly complains of being picked on.

    My apologies then, Bespoke.
    I was not aware that I did.

    For the record, I wasn’t having a shot at you.
    I think you are one of the more entertaining commentators here.
    I was merely restating (again) my view that even considering voting a Labor/LNP/Greens choice is a complete waste of time.

    It’s a Big Club, Bespoke.
    And you and I are not in it.

    The late, great comedian, George Carlin explained it best.

    (Warning – some coarse language).

  120. bespoke

    I had no choice in immigrating hear, m0nty but I’m glad I did.

  121. Boambee John

    incoherent rambler
    #2918169, posted on January 26, 2019 at 4:10 pm
    If the Uniparty wants my vote they will have to pry it from my cold dead hands.

    Er.. Hang on a moment …

    Confirmed! The ALP has been getting dead person votes for, at least, the last 40 years.

    Lots longer than that. My maternal grandparents, both very much working class, were well aware of the old “visit the cemetry to get names from fresh graves, he/she would’ve wanted his/her vote recorded for the party” scam.

  122. Infidel Tiger

    Aussie gold medallist Ian Thorpe, 36, and his partner of three years Ryan Channing, 28, have confirmed that they’re taking the first steps towards welcoming a baby into their lives.

    Being raised by a mentally unstable faggot is every kid’s dream.

    Buy a dog you weirdos.

  123. I had no choice in immigrating hear, m0nty but I’m glad I did.

    So stop whinging then! Bloody Poms.

  124. grid operating in the way it was designed

    In my humble little abode of the last lotsa years, I have had a (notified) power outage while they replaced some poles*.
    Clearly the system has not been working as designed in my area.

     
     

    *Failure to replace poles with middle eastern immigrants caused the 2009 bushfires

  125. We need Thorpey’s bloodlines in our gene pool. His feet are enormous.

    Makybe Diva might have been gay for all we know, but she got serviced all the same.

  126. bespoke

    Not really, Nick. I do blame just about every recent Pommy immigrant I have met for being crashing bores.

    They are the ancestors of the servants left behind.

  127. None

    Wonderful baby news for Ian Thorpe
    Aussie gold medallist Ian Thorpe, 36, and his partner of three years Ryan Channing, 28, have confirmed that they’re taking the first steps towards welcoming a baby into their lives.

    In other words they exploited some woman to harvest her eggs, got some lab technician to concoct an embryo in a Petri dish and then after the lab tech picked one they think looked best co-opted another woman – likely some poor woman in Asia – to be a womb for hire. The kid of course will grow up in this abnormal environment and there will come a time when it will begin longing for their mother and as they come to the realisation of how they were conceived, like some accessory picked up off the shelf or made to order, they will either rebe greatly or else tell themselves any number of little lies and decide that it’s a lot less painful to pretend they don’t care and just be weird like the men who raised them. It’s almost gut-wrenching to know that children are deliberately being brought into such environments with every intention ring them up from day one. The poor poor kid.

  128. Memoryvault

    It never ceases to amaze me.
    The ease with which Monty can breeze in and completely take over a thread.
    It’s like I imagine it would have been, watching the Pied Piper in action.

  129. Dr Fred Lenin

    Must be frustrating for the fascist spin doctors ,straing their tiny brains inventing lies to make the fascists look good then not being able to spread the lies becausr t v doesnt \
    work during self imposed blackout s , caused by the fascists getting bribes from the soros and co carpetbagger crims but we don t talk about that.
    As for voting ,still think putting the sitting wanker lastnwould really piss the elites off ,we cant get a Trump but this would take his place in the annoy the wankers stakes .
    Now doesnt yesterdays power fiasco in Vic prove conclusively they are wankers ? Of all 543 genders .

  130. bespoke

    m0nty
    #2918189, posted on January 26, 2019 at 4:23 pm
    So stop whinging then! Bloody Poms.

    I’m not a Pom and I don’t whinge I just ask mangled questions and poke a stick at JC some times.

  131. bespoke

    IVF is a consensual agreement.

  132. MatrixTransform

    The windfarm looks a trifle unreliable and costly at the 7 year mark

    But Grandma what big maintenance costs you have …

    All the better to depreciate you with, my dear

  133. Peter Campion

    Thursday evening from BoM via the ABC: Cyclone Savannah brewing in Gulf.

    Friday morning from BoM via the Cairns Post: The Bureau of Meteorology says a tropical low in the Gulf of Carpentaria has a “high chance” of forming into a cyclone on Saturday.

    Saturday lunchtime and BoM gives up: Current Tropical Cyclones page – only TC Riley off WA.

    Many … many false alarms.

  134. Memoryvault

    and poke a stick at JC some times.

    The Pommy comedian Billy Connolly explains about poking things with a stick in Australia.

  135. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    Being raised by a pair of mentally unstable faggot is every kid’s dream.

    fify cove!

  136. calli

    Arrrgh… *rolls in*

    Many…many dolmades. And souvlakis. And baklavas. And much…much assyrtiko.

    And to top it off, the planes did roar overhead just as it came off the grill. Best Aussie Day evah.

  137. MatrixTransform

    confirmed that they’re taking the first steps towards welcoming a baby into their lives

    stolen, borrowed or bespoke?

  138. Happy Australia Day all

    Spent a great morning fishing, have flown the Oz flag at the front of the house and answered a dozen questions from the neighbors. Told them it was a national day of celebration for Oz being discovered..

    Will be cooking burgers on the BBQ in 6 hours time for about 10 people, which will be fun as it is -5 and starting to snow.

    Oi Oi Oi

  139. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    We need Thorpey’s bloodlines in our gene pool. His feet are enormous.

    will accessorise your big manboobs nicely. Can I suggest a big red nose

  140. Infidel Tiger

    Hahaha!

    Another broken media organisation has to pay the Trump’s some moolah:

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/01/26/melania-trump-apology/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

  141. calli

    That’s just breathtaking.

    No one bothered to check the simplest of assertions.

    The press is a disgrace.

  142. Memoryvault

    And to top it off, the planes did roar overhead just as it came off the grill.
    Best Aussie Day evah.

    Calli, were there just two jets, or more?
    If more, were two different from the rest?

  143. JC

    The right version of the exploited little woman meme.

    In other words they exploited some woman to harvest her eggs,

    She’s an adult and totally in charge of her actions.

  144. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    The Pommy comedian Billy Connolly explains about poking things with a stick in Australia.

    Saw Billy Connolly live in Perth, way back when – some fuckwit tried heckling him, and Billy Connolly had him for breakfast..

  145. calli

    Dunno, PeterVault (🙂).

    I was busy dishing out salad and skewer wrangling. They are so fast, first you hear the rumble, then the roar and they’re gone.

    The best one was sitting at the cafe at Birubi for mum’s birthday. They did a fly-by just above the waves. Now that was a close-up.

  146. Tom

    From IT’s link:

    As a mark of our regret we have agreed to pay Mrs Trump substantial damages as well as her legal costs.

    Bwahahahaha! Trump derangement is very expensive! And those most affected are people who pretend they are real journalists.

    The Trump presidency’s greatest public service is to strip journalism of the ludicrous pretence that it protects and defends the public interest.

  147. calli

    The right version of the exploited little woman meme.

    In other words they exploited some woman to harvest her eggs,

    She’s an adult and totally in charge of her actions.

    True, but there are other considerations. Poverty for instance. Would she go through such a painful experience for altruistic reasons?

    It isn’t a simple transaction.

  148. Oh come on

    Ben Shapiro just described Wikileaks as “an evil Russian cut-out organisation” and “one of the worst organisations on the planet”.

    Seriously? So Wikileaks is down there with ISIS, the Muslim Brotherhood, the Cosa Nostra, the KKK, the EU, Sea Shepherd etc?

  149. Dr Fred Lenin

    Is that monty a primary school teachist? Always winning arguments with kids under 12? Sounds like it , he is a credit to his indoctrinators .

  150. Infidel Tiger

    There is no such thing as journalism now.

    It’s 100% opinion pieces and fantasy writing.

  151. JC

    Calli

    Right or wrong isn’t dependent on a person’s bank balance.

  152. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    The Kulaks Must Be Liquidated as a Class
    Elizabeth Warren is not proposing a tax; she’s proposing asset forfeiture.


    Funny thing about Senator Warren’s asset-forfeiture scheme. Like many similar proposals, it probably would not raise much revenue and might in fact leave the country as a whole economically worse off. And the people advising Senator Warren on that are perfectly content with that outcome, because, as Emmanuel Saez and Gabriel Zucman argue in the case of Representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez’s proposal to radically increase income taxes, this is to be understood not as an economic question but as a moral one: It is simply morally obligatory to hurt wealthy people. “The point of high top marginal income tax rates is to constrain the immoderate, and especially unmerited, accumulation of riches,” they write.

    And who gets to decide what’s merited and what’s unmerited? What are the chances that, say, Senator Warren’s modest millions or her multimillion-dollar home are deemed “unmerited”? What decides, of course, is “unrestricted power based on force, not law,” because the law cannot substantially answer that kind of question but can only instead encode the desires of people with power, which is what Senator Warren is seeking more of.

    Again, we have been here before.

    When the socialist schemes of Joseph Stalin et al. foundered, they blamed the “kulaks,” i.e. those who had enjoyed the “unmerited accumulation of riches.” There was never any real definition of a “kulak.” Basically, if you had one cow and your neighbor had two, he was a kulak. Stalin announced the “liquidation of the kulaks as a class” as a necessary precondition for the progress of his program, which was, like Kamala Harris, “for the people.” Dekulakization (раскулачивание) was responsible for the deaths of about 5 million subjects of the workers’ paradise. This was necessary, the socialists argued, because the kulaks dominated the political party system (“for the rich, wealth begets power,” Zucman writes), because expropriating their wealth was necessary to fund benefits for the people (“The affluent,” Saez and Zucman write, “can contribute more to the public coffers. And given the revenue needs of the country, it is necessary”), because the kulaks were hoarders (under the headline “Elizabeth Warren is trying to save capitalism from itself,” David Atkins of Washington Monthly decries the “artificial lack of resources caused by the looting and hoarding of the obscenely wealthy”), etc.

    But do our modern progressives really propose to liquidate these “hoarders” as a class?

    Saez and Zucman write hopefully of the prospect that high tax rates would make the class of people with larger incomes “largely disappear.” Representative Ocasio-Cortez declares it “immoral” that we have a “system that allows billionaires to exist.” Marshall Steinbaum, the research director of the progressive Roosevelt Institute, wrote: “It’s increasingly clear that having wealthy people around is a luxury our society can no longer afford.”

    And, so, here we are again: The kulaks must be liquidated as a class. But who is a kulak?

    We might glean some insight into that from the progressives’ thinking in the recent free-speech debates, which goes something like this: “We’re all in favor of free speech, but Nazis should be chased from the public square, by violence if necessary, and we should harass their employers in order to ruin them financially. Also, everybody who disagrees with me is a Nazi, including children wearing hats that I don’t like.”

    You may not feel like a kulak. You may take comfort in hearing that only the “tippy-top” wealthiest people are to be expropriated in the name of social justice. Those children at Covington Catholic probably didn’t think they were Nazis a week ago, either.

    History is short, if you look at it with the right kind of eyes. Some of you might want to consider looking from Zurich or Singapore.

  153. bespoke

    Memoryvault
    #2918184, posted on January 26, 2019 at 4:21 pm
    That from some one that constantly complains of being picked on.
    My apologies then, Bespoke

    No need I wasn’t offended.

  154. Memoryvault

    Thanks anyway, Calli.

  155. calli

    Right or wrong isn’t dependent on a person’s bank balance.

    True. They are absolutes.

    But that old bank balance (or belly rumble) is a great motivator to do wrong. And great leverage for an exploiter.

  156. bespoke

    Would she go through such a painful experience for altruistic reasons?

    Some have.

  157. Bear Necessities

    The equivalent of a daughter sharing a dildo with their mother, for a bloke, would be sharing a blow up doll with your father. Makes you cringe a tiny bit when you think about it.

  158. Memoryvault

    No need I wasn’t offended.

    Another failure.
    I’m just going to have to try harder.

    I might speak to Armadillo about some late night lessons.

  159. Oh come on

    From IT’s link:

    last Saturday’s (Jan 19) Telegraph magazine cover story “The mystery of Melania”, we have been asked to make clear that the article contained a number of false statements which we accept should not have been published (…) as a mark of our regret we have agreed to pay Mrs Trump substantial damages as well as her legal costs.

    Wow that was quick! Just a week from publish to payout? The Trump attorneys don’t mess around.

  160. Tel

    I’ve always been Australian, but I admit to having been trapped in a pom’s body during my early years. It wore off. No surgery needed.

    Escaped out the back door?

    I’m filling in for Egg while he’s got work to do.

  161. Oh come on

    If nothing else, the press has become incredibly lazy. It is clear what’s happened here. The Telegraph lashed together a bunch of unverified and unverifiable assertions made over the last few years by people hostile to the Trumps. It probably didn’t cross the editor’s mind that his rag could be printing defamatory material because these sorts of lies are tossed around so carelessly these days. Tough shit. Hopefully a few people have lost their jobs over this.

  162. Tom

    There is no such thing as journalism now.
    It’s 100% opinion pieces and fantasy writing.

    It will regain public trust, IT. But not for several decades and not before the journalism market purges its bludging bottom-feeders. In this country, that includes the freeloaders immune from the market at the ABC and SBS.

  163. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    Bishop apologizes to teen who faced off with Native American
    “We should not have allowed ourselves to be bullied,” said the Catholic leader in Covington, Kentucky.

  164. bespoke

    You need a better teacher then a mutant rodent, MV.

  165. Mater

    Is that monty a primary school teachist? Always winning arguments with kids under 12? Sounds like it , he is a credit to his indoctrinators .

    A Montysorian?

  166. JC

    Wow that was quick! Just a week from publish to payout? The Trump attorneys don’t mess around.

    Have you seen his personal lawyer. … not Cohen. He looks like a New York thug with a law degree.

    https://edition.cnn.com/2017/07/13/politics/trump-lawyer-profanity-threats-emails-apology/index.html

  167. Infidel Tiger

    Trump would have needed a UK lawyer for that suit would he not?

  168. JC

    He may have, Artie.

    I’m pretty he wouldn’t be that different to Marc Kasowitz though.

  169. Tom

    OCO, the reason the Trump libels got published is that 90-95% of journalists are so convinced of the Trumps’ evil they did not question their own assumptions. Leftism isn’t just a locust plague that consumes reason, it eventually destroys people deluded into thinking their pretensions are righteous. 90-95% of journalists should not be in the business because their political prejudices make them incapable of conveying dispassionate public interest information.

  170. Oh come on

    IIRC, the UK’s defamation laws are lot tougher than the US’s wrt public figures.

  171. bespoke

    In an interview on NBC’s “Today” show, Sandmann said he’d like a sitdown with Phillips, who has offered to visit the Kentucky school to lead a dialogue about cultural understanding.

    Why offer Phillips a platform after what he did.

  172. JC

    Tom

    I don’t get it though. The msm knows both Trumps are quick on the trigger in carrying out lawsuit threats. Wouldn’t the editors know or at the very least ask for a legal opinion before they publish? Where are the editors? I appreciate there is of course a difference between legal and business risk. But still, you should have an angle to avoid this sort of thing.

  173. Boambee John

    From Zippy at 1713

    Representative Ocasio-Cortez declares it “immoral” that we have a “system that allows billionaires to exist.”

    Has she told Soros of this cunning plan?

  174. Memoryvault

    Trump would have needed a UK lawyer for that suit would he not?

    Maybe.
    Or maybe there never was a “suit”.
    Maybe Trump, through his lawyer, threatened to buy the paper, sack the the lot of them, promise them they would never work in journalism again, and close the rag down.

    He can be subtle, like that.

  175. JC

    Boambee

    According to the link I posted above, it’s actually immoral the tax system doesn’t offer a negative income tax for the highest income earners. The professor reckons evidence suggests that not only should you not pay tax above a certain gross threshold, but the tax system should pay you. Not all academia is lost. 🙂

  176. JC

    Who won the wheelchair singles title?

  177. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Why offer Phillips a platform after what he did.

    I hope the school told him they didn’t have any refrigerators that needed repairing, but they’d contact him when they did.

  178. Who won the wheelchair singles title?

    And the finals for LGBTI etc. (25 letters of the alphabet, I don’t know Y)

    Wait for the ‘T’ final, should be a beaudy!

  179. Memoryvault

    90-95% of journalists should not be in the business because their political prejudices make them incapable of conveying dispassionate public interest information.

    Too true, Tom.
    How lucky we are to have a truly independent, unbiased national news service like the ABC, staffed by highly trained, professional reporters.

  180. Tom

    JC, Trump is God. He has turned journalists into jabbering, irrational idiots. His power is truly divine. It can’t be understood by assuming journalism, which used to be sceptical of the ruling class, still speaks truth to power. Journalists emotionally and irrationally support communists and socialists, whose ideology is the opposite of the public interest and the free world.

  181. Cassie of Sydney

    “Following last Saturday’s (Jan 19) Telegraph magazine cover story “The mystery of Melania”, we have been asked to make clear that the article contained a number of false statements which we accept should not have been published. Mrs Trump’s father was not a fearsome presence and did not control the family. Mrs Trump did not leave her Design and Architecture course at University relating to the completion of an exam, as alleged in the article, but rather because she wanted to pursue a successful career as a professional model. Mrs Trump was not struggling in her modelling career before she met Mr Trump, and she did not advance in her career due to the assistance of Mr Trump.

    We accept that Mrs Trump was a successful professional model in her own right before she met her husband and obtained her own modelling work without his assistance. Mrs Trump met Mr Trump in 1998, not in 1996 as stated in the article. The article also wrongly claimed that Mrs Trump’s mother, father and sister relocated to New York in 2005 to live in buildings owned by Mr Trump. They did not. The claim that Mrs Trump cried on election night is also false.

    We apologise unreservedly to The First Lady and her family for any embarrassment caused by our publication of these allegations. As a mark of our regret we have agreed to pay Mrs Trump substantial damages as well as her legal costs.”

    Good, what is also interesting is that this apology is not behind the usual English Telegraph’s paywall.

    The fact that the article was ever published shows how utterly arrogant and how completely debased modern journalism is….actually it’s not journalism…it is simply unhinged crazed leftist adolescent activism. They are so filled with hubris that they didn’t think twice about publishing such lies….it is unbelievable. Good on Melania.

    Message to our weak-kneed, soft, chicken shit conservatives…you don’t turn the other cheek when you have this kind of garbage written about you. You bring out the lawyers.

  182. Tom

    As I said, this clownshow Test would be over by Saturday night. Bring on the Ashes slaughter.

  183. Infidel Tiger

    Beautiful bowling from Australia.

  184. Oh come on

    It seems there was no suit – the defamatory material was published a week ago and the apology and retraction released today. I suspect what’s happened between then and now is that a very compelling and purposeful letter written by Melania’s lawyers was received by the Telegraph, and the paper’s legal team realised what it had printed was completely indefensible in court.

    I suppose the Torygraph is to be commended somewhat for its swift mea culpa. Also, it’s doubtful that a great deal of money changed hands. Melania’s legal costs would have been relatively small, and the “substantial damages” could be 10k quid.

  185. Memoryvault

    Speaking of the ABC, they just uploaded a story warning residents in Joondalup that it was now too late to evacuate their homes because the raging, uncontrolled bushfire was too close. Residents now needed to take shelter and be prepared to “actively defend their homes”.

    And where is Joondalup you ask?
    Outback of Woop Woop perhaps?

    No, it’s a suburb of Perth.

    We live in interesting times.

  186. JC

    It’s more likely the Trump legal threat was made in the UK as laws there are easier for these sorts of entanglements.

  187. Beautiful bowling from Australia.

    Wot?
    Have they perfected the underarm?

  188. Oh come on

    It seems there was no suit – the defamatory material was published a week ago and the apology and retraction released today. I suspect what’s happened between then and now is that an exceedingly purposeful letter written by Melania’s lawyers was received by the Telegraph, and the paper’s legal team quickly realised what it had printed was completely indefensible in court.

    I suppose the Torygraph is to be commended somewhat for its swift mea culpa. Also, it’s doubtful that a great deal of money changed hands. Melania’s legal costs would have been relatively small, and the “substantial damages” could be 10k quid.

  189. JC

    Melania’s legal costs would have been relatively small,

    50K.

  190. Oh come on

    MV, why is that strange? Joondalup contains a lot of bushy scrub, parkland and forested areas where bushfires could spring up.

  191. Oh come on

    JC, surely not that much. Cumulatively, it would have been a day or two’s work for one solicitor.

  192. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    And where is Joondalup you ask?
    Outback of Woop Woop perhaps?

    Looking up the relevant website, it’s actually in a place called Jandabup – a locality of which I have never heard, on the west edge of the Gnangara pine plantation.

  193. Cassie of Sydney

    Does anyone think…for one minute…that the Telegraph would have published a piece like that on Mrs Obummer?

  194. candy

    Aussie gold medallist Ian Thorpe, 36, and his partner of three years Ryan Channing, 28, have confirmed that they’re taking the first steps towards welcoming a baby into their lives.

    They will be on The Project soon.

    I don’t suppose the panellists will ask who is baby’s mum and how is she feeling with her pregnancy, any morning sickness.

  195. Oh come on

    Don’t be a dick, MV. What’s your point? That there’s no fire?

    According to the ABC, the fire is in Jandabup.

  196. JC

    OCO.

    Yep, that much and more. Last year I needed an opinion on a matter and went to well know city firm. The opinion letter was 15K and change. There was even a decimal amount in the charge. That’s Melbourne where the partners of big firms charge upwards of $1,000 and hour. New York firms are perhaps 3 to four times that.

    Trumps would have gone to Kasowitz who in turn would have briefed a London counterpart who in turn would have briefed an expert barrister.

    BHP had a issue with the SEC about 10 years ago. It was bullshit because the SEC were being canutes, but they had to engage a New York law firm. The fee was $100 million! I remember as the provision was raised in the accounts.

  197. Memoryvault

    Looking up the relevant website, it’s actually in a place called Jandabup

    So, the ABC, at the very cutting edge of accurate reporting, strikes again.
    Thanks, Zulu.
    Apologies everyone.

  198. Cassie of Sydney

    “Aussie gold medallist Ian Thorpe, 36, and his partner of three years Ryan Channing, 28, have confirmed that they’re taking the first steps towards welcoming a baby into their lives.”

    Professor Sheila Jeffreys…one of my favourite second wave feminists…equates surrogacy with prostitution..it’s rent a womb and it’s all about using poor women in third world countries…no different to going to Thailand to pay for sex. It’s obscene. And Jeffreys also says…..rightly…that having a child is NOT a right.

  199. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    I don’t suppose the panellists will ask who is baby’s mum and how is she feeling with her pregnancy, any morning sickness.

    not unusual for regret to sneak in when she sees the baby, even with huge feet

  200. Geriatric Mayfly

    They are so filled with hubris that they didn’t think twice about publishing such lies….it is unbelievable. Good on Melania.

    Go Melania. Go the Covington boys. Go, anyone else smeared by these pox riddled presstitutes and may the pimps that own them feel a bit of the heat as well.

  201. Ellen of Tasmania

    Ellen – are you lurking? How are you going in the fires?

    We’re fine thanks, Calli, although thoroughly smoked for Australia Day.

    My more general observation is the way the media gets all hyped up about it. We were in a ‘watch & act’ area, so that’s what we did. Our property is pretty safe and we were doing all the correct things, but the media hype (including social media) was making some people super-nervous. Friends were messaging us to get out and one concerned friend even contacted my son’s in-laws to encourage them to convince their daughter to leave.

    (She ended up sending them photos to convince them that all was well. It was actually smokier at their place at that stage!)

    So there we were doing all the right things and people were calling us reckless and dangerous. Sheesh.

    As I said, it is smokey, visibility is poor and ash is falling, but as so much of Tassie is burning, you’d be hard pressed to avoid that.

    So much wilderness to burn.

  202. Cassie of Sydney

    “presstitutes”

    Was that it today’s Cut & Paste?

    Love it…because that’s what they are…..presstitutes.

  203. Oh come on

    JC: yikes. So corporate law is where da money at. I spose they don’t get the thrills and spills of criminal law, but crims couldn’t afford to pay anything close to what corporate lawyers charge.

  204. calli

    Thanks for the update Ellen. I knew you’d be sensible.

    Getting the stench of woodsmoke out of the house will be a pain. At least you have a house.

  205. Memoryvault

    Thankyou OCO.
    I see the ABC has modified their original post.
    The fire is no longer in Joondalup, in the City of Joondalup.
    It has now magically relocated to Jandabup, in th City of Wanneroo.

  206. Geriatric Mayfly

    So much wilderness to burn.

    The Anglers Alliance webcam at Penstock Lagoon shows the day’s progression of a huge fire to the west of the lagoon. A helicopter is collecting water therefrom, but hopefully not carting any of my fish off for immolation.

  207. Oh come on

    Incidentally, MV, the City of Joondalup contains a great deal of bushland and many forested areas. I know the area well (better than I’d like to – so many Saffas up there).

  208. Infidel Tiger

    Joondalup is a colonial outpost.

    Full of Limey pubs and Saffa shops.

    Awful place, but the new australians love it.

  209. JC

    The money is in big time corporate law/ very wealthy clients.

    I recall reading about the top NY law firm of the time couple of years ago. The partners there were making over 4 million year on average in annual distributions. It was Gunn…. something.

    The law firm engaged to correct all the Madoff stuff has accumulated well over $1 billion in fees.

    Madoff Trustee Passes Milestone as Baker & Hostetler Fees Near $1B
    As Irving Picard approaches 10 years on the job as trustee of funds recovered for Bernie Madoff’s victims, he and his firm are getting closer to securing $1 billion in fees from the work.

  210. JC

    Artie

    How often, say weekly, do you see people on the street or say in shopping centres in Perth?

  211. 132andBush


    In an interview on NBC’s “Today” show, Sandmann said he’d like a sitdown with Phillips, who has offered to visit the Kentucky school to lead a dialogue about cultural understanding.

    Why offer Phillips a platform after what he did.

    If they do that he wins.

  212. Infidel Tiger

    Artie

    How often, say weekly, do you see people on the street or say in shopping centres in Perth?

    As little as possible. I love observing people, but they really aren’t my thing.

    I want the best for everyone, but the general public are disgusting. Although occasionally they surprise me.

  213. bespoke

    If they do that he wins.

    Yep and the kid should not have gone on TV.

  214. calli

    Sandmann said he’d like a sitdown with Phillips, who has offered to visit the Kentucky school to lead a dialogue about cultural understanding.

    I presume this is intended to instruct Phillips about the rudeness and insensitivity of bullying children on school excursions? Menacingly beating a drum and stick in a youth’s face whilst backed by yelling henchmen is a cultural no-no.

    I’m surprised he’s prepared to be teachable on these matters.

  215. Confused Old Misfit

    In an interview on NBC’s “Today” show, Sandmann said he’d like a sitdown with Phillips, who has offered to visit the Kentucky school to lead a dialogue about cultural understanding.

    It’s the bloody “liberal/conservative”cringe.
    “We must try to understand.”
    Bloody Hell!
    What’s to understand?
    Phillips is a grifter looking for his 15 min of fame and a payout.

  216. Cassie of Sydney

    “Why offer Phillips a platform after what”

    Providing Phillips with a media platform gives him legitimacy. He is a media whore who thrives on being the “victim”.

    The truth is that he is a dirty creep, a fraud and a liar.

  217. Tel

    Why offer Phillips a platform after what he did.

    If they do that he wins.

    Make sure you have video of the entire thing.

    About halfway through say, “But you lied, right?”

  218. Tom

    I love observing people, but they really aren’t my thing.

    Such an elitist piece of shit, IT. But everyone knew that.

  219. egg_

    I’m filling in for Egg while he’s got work to do.

  220. Geriatric Mayfly

    Among Phillip’s past misdemeanours, is antisocial behaviour after too much firewater. I wonder if he still on it.

  221. Oh come on

    IT is busy practising his localism with local artisans and communal stakeholders. He also follows Gwyneth Paltrow on Instagram.

  222. Infidel Tiger

    Such an elitist piece of shit, IT. But everyone knew that.

    Calm down buddy.

    I hate the elites far far more than the common man.

  223. egg_

    Joondalup, Jandabup…

    Tomato, tomato…

  224. Pete of Perth

    Just finished a swan draught. Next, emu export. Australia Day celebrations complete.

  225. Oh come on

    Phillips wouldn’t dream of appearing on a media outlet that might bother him with annoying facts or try to get him to account for his appalling behaviour.

  226. feelthebern

    Just watching Mad Max.
    Geez it’s a well put together movie.

  227. Tel

    Thankyou OCO.
    I see the ABC has modified their original post.

    The ABC should hire at least one Aboriginal to help them with the place name.

  228. Memoryvault

    Just watching Mad Max.

    Which one, Bern?
    Not that they weren’t all good.

  229. Infidel Tiger

    Just watching Mad Max.
    Geez it’s a well put together movie.

    Australia used to make great things.

    Now we make human dog boxes in the sky and red tape.

  230. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    IT is busy practising his localism with local artisans and communal stakeholders. He also follows Gwyneth Paltrow on Instagram.

    goop and jade eggs

  231. egg_

    IT is busy practising his localism with local artisans and communal stakeholders. He also follows Gwyneth Paltrow on Instagram.

    Dot pattern vag eggs?

  232. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Perth blaze poses deadly risk, as fire rage out of control in Tasmania

    AAP
    18 minutes ago January 26, 2019
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    An emergency warning has been issued for a bushfire burning out of control in Perth’s northern suburbs with authorities warning of a threat to lives and homes.

    The fire at Jandabup is burning in an area near Sydney Road and Ross Street and a nearby pine plantation.

    “The bushfire is moving fast in a north-westerly direction. It is out of control and unpredictable,” Emergency WA says.

    Spot fires are also starting up to 300 metres ahead of the fire front. Authorities say the best escape route is to the southwest, using Badgerup Road but anyone still planning to leave should follow the directions of fire crews.

    From the Oz. FWIW, it seems the latest bushfire in Tasmania was sparked off by a discarded cigarette, FFS.

  233. Infidel Tiger

    Localism is rejecting the corporatist state and reconnecting with your community.

    Only corporatist toadies fail to understand this.

    I dislike the company of people but I want my local community to thrive and logically my country to flourish.

    If you want to be a slave to Qantas and Coolies and live your life by their diktat, that’s your choice, but my eyes are clear.

  234. Tom

    I’ve nothing against cripples, but some nobody in a wheelchair is on Nein evidently comparing himself to the tennis greats. Just fuck off, you braggart.

  235. feelthebern

    The original Mad Max.
    1979.
    Made for $A350k.

  236. Confused Old Misfit

    Localism is rejecting the corporatist state and reconnecting with your community. /blockquote>
    Make your local auto mechanic your best friend!

  237. mh

    For all the latest news on Roger Stone visit https://www.infowars.com

    DAVID KNIGHT MAKES RARE POST-HEART-ATTACK APPEARANCE TO EXPRESS RAGE OVER ROGER STONE ARREST

    NO ONE BUYS CNN’S CLAIM THAT ‘HUNCH’ LED THEM TO STAKEOUT ROGER STONE HOME

    ROGER STONE’S EMERGENCY MESSAGE TO AMERICA POST ARREST

    ROGER STONE STAGES SECOND PRESS CONFERENCE AFTER FIRST ONE WAS CENSORED

  238. egg_

    Straya Day Concert on Aunty.

  239. feelthebern

    Watching Mad Max is a reminder of what a great country Australia is to drive around.

  240. egg_

    some nobody in a wheelchair is on Nein evidently comparing himself to the tennis greats.

    Couldabeen…

  241. bespoke

    “The goal of Marxism is to reduce profits to zero through a lack of competition. And that the goal of Capitlaism is to reduce profits to zero through competition. Thus Marxism and Capitalism have the same goal.”

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