Open Forum: February 2, 2019

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  1. feelthebern

    If Thailand wasn’t full of lady boys, it would be a decent place.

  2. JC

    Bern

    We’ve been in London during the past three summers. You get a couple of quite hot days, but overall it’s a great time to be there.

  3. JC

    You go through endless shitty autumn-winter-spring days when you enter work and it’s dark and you leave work when it’s dark, with the light at the end of the tunnel being a few glorious weeks of sunshine and warmth…which never eventuate. That would really suck.

    They party on the 21st of June – the longest day of the year.

  4. feelthebern

    Depends what how you do London.
    I like walking and bussing & training.
    In the middle of summer, that’s not great in London.
    If youre ubering everywhere, it wouldn’t matter.
    One summer I got the worst chafe in London.

  5. Oh come on

    London doesn’t do AC all that well, from what I hear. That would suck if you’re in an office. But when you’re enjoying yourself, it’s far less of an issue.

  6. feelthebern

    I prefer a German summer.
    To an English summer.

  7. feelthebern

    There is zero aircon in Germany.
    It’s quite bizarre.

  8. Infidel Tiger

    And yet they have toilets with an examination ledge for their stool.

  9. Memoryvault

    I hope I last a bit longer MV. but know what you mean.

    I thought you were going to be back in Melbourne on Feb 10?

  10. feelthebern

    I have only seen that it in south of germany & in austria.
    The north & east, i’ve not seen it.
    & ive stayed at old & new places.

  11. feelthebern

    I got no bites last night talking about the Book of Mormon.
    But if Mitt Romney reckons he’ll be taken seriously ever again, he won’t.

  12. Oh come on

    And yet they have toilets with an examination ledge for their stool.

    Yes!! All of the former Soviet republics have such toilets, too. Freaking weird.

    On a recent holiday to a tropical island popular with dour Russian xunts, I noticed the Russkies also employ despicable German habits such as getting up at 4am to secure recliner chairs by the pool via throwing towels over them. The Germans and Russians are made for each other.

  13. Oh come on

    Bern, everyone knows the Mormon faith is nutty. But look at the results – it churns out individuals who are disproportionately decent, clean-cut, trustworthy and prosperous. I’m not saying join the Mormons. But why kick them? By and large, they seem like good people.

  14. Memoryvault

    Marilyn stirs, time for midnight medications.
    ‘Night all.

  15. Crossie

    feelthebern
    #2924046, posted on February 3, 2019 at 1:29 am
    London is summer is terrible.
    London in spring or autumn is the way to go.

    We were in London in 1991 for four days in July and it rained for three days. We motored in the country on the rainy days and crammed all the sightseeing in London on the one sunny day.

    The weird thing even then, Hyde Park was full of women in burqas.

  16. Crossie

    As for no air con machines in Germany, that is true. We have stayed with family and in hotels and none had them. I suppose it’s understandable when summer is a couple of months while winter lasts six months.

  17. jupes

    I suppose it’s understandable when summer is a couple of months while winter lasts six months.

    Why not reverse cycle air con?

  18. Oh come on

    I was just watching some stupid plane porn about a first class trip on a Singapore Airlines A380 London-Singapore route. Looked nice and all but whatever. Was a half hour video but skipped most of it. I noticed a couple of things that seem stupid:

    You can drink as much Krug 2004 as you like (that shit costs $250+ a bottle) but they charge you an extra $30 if you want to use up to 500MB of internet data. Seriously. A first class berth is going to set you back $20,000 or so. Why piss about with an additional $30? Just make the internet stuff inclusive, no?

    Also, they make a special note that you aren’t allowed to keep the noise-cancelling Bose headphones. The fucking ticket costs $20K!! Is losing a set of crappy Bose headphones really going to be a deal-breaker?

  19. Mark A

    jupes
    #2924066, posted on February 3, 2019 at 2:24 am

    I suppose it’s understandable when summer is a couple of months while winter lasts six months.

    Why not reverse cycle air con?

    Gas is a lot cheaper. And most homes have central heating with radiators, easier setup.

  20. Mark A

    Memoryvault
    #2924058, posted on February 3, 2019 at 1:45 am

    I hope I last a bit longer MV. but know what you mean.

    I thought you were going to be back in Melbourne on Feb 10?

    I am just itching to get out of here, longest stint ever.

  21. Notafan

    European winter in the south is fabulous. Had one day with a few spots of rain in Seville, Faro was glorious, Malaga splendid and Lisbon a little rain but the rest was clear and blue until Paris which is freezing.

    Wandered into a yellow jacket march in La Bastille, all sorts of folks marching but then few crackers were being thrown so we skedaddled.

    Now uberimg to the airport with Ali in the beat up Prius.

    The taxi folk there spruikef aggressively when we arrived but we nicked upstairs for our uber. Only a couple of euro cheaper but I don’t like being told what to do.

  22. DrBeauGan

    Most Brits try to arrange their holiday to be the last week of July and rhe first week of August. If they’re lucky, summer falls on one of those fourteen days.

  23. egg_

    Week In Pictures: Polar Vortex Edition.

    LMFAO

  24. egg_

    “The great moral challenge of our times” is dealing with the burden of ruinables – what’s the cost in lives of blacked out mouldy oldies?

  25. MatrixTransform

    Mick Gold Coast QLD – 12:51 am

    It amuses me that they all take it so very seriously

    yep, interviews on am radio talk-back about the changing face of footy.
    not a grrl’s version of footy, but a whole other ‘brand’ altogether
    etc etc

    I pity the poor ‘woke’ advertisers and promoters who are going to throw their dollars down the drain.
    and when the money stops, it will return to the fringe game for dykes that it has been for at least 30yrs.
    Get woke, go broke.

    That’s right I personally knew women who played that stuff 30yrs ago. Same with women’s soccer. I actually know a former state coach.
    AFLW like the soccer is a joke.
    Didnt Australia’s national women’s team get beaten by an under-15s schoolboy team in the lead up to Rio Olympics?

    personally, I work a bit like a roving Journeyman and intermingle daily with many many football heads all over melb and sometimes interstate. I have never ever once heard a single comment from anybody re AFLW
    nobody cares … at all … zero.

    actually that’s not quite true.
    The big tranny girl’s blouse Hannah Mouncy usually attracts a few laughs

  26. Eyrie

    Memoryvault
    #2923978, posted on February 2, 2019 at 11:34 pm

    “Don’t be so judgemental about the guy just arrested at Brisbane airport.
    While I can’t actually excuse his behviour, I can well understand it.
    The food, the prices, and the service are all horrific.”
    I believe that is an ICAO requirement ,MV.

  27. Eyrie

    I wouldn’t buy an apartment in Subiaco but perhaps a small old cottage would be a long term investment?
    Fond childhood memories of that whole area.

  28. egg_

    Balders – the lame “Hark!” gimmick, the snide and forced contrarianism plus the facile knowledge of everything it comments on woz wot gave the game away.

    It started out in the climate freds as a warmie, then migrated to the open fred.

  29. pete m

    Thanks Tom

    My wife really lol at the bar guy one and Jonah whale joke, given her chat coming up with parents and how pc she has to be.

    Some worrying headlines too!

  30. bespoke

    Oh come on
    #2923997, posted on February 2, 2019 at 11:56 pm
    I’ll say it again – Harks is a GrigRae iteration.

    Nope

  31. calli

    Oh, and the Cat’s new grannie makes an appearance! Ellen will be far too busy to read for the next few months. 🙂

  32. Black Ball

    Good morning. As I noted last night, the ladies attempting to play footy is not a product worth paying money to see. Thank you to commenters for scores. 12 goals total in the 2 matches I am led to believe. If my early morning maths is correct, there were 15 goals scored in 3 Premier League soccer matches overnight with 2 scoreless draws. Chelsea FC alone put 5 past Huddersfield.
    And as a commenter upthread noted, the powers that be can’t put money into grassroots footy yet millions is spent on this shit. Local club in my area folded for the second time and won’t be back. Is the backbone of that community.
    And you can merit the debate of having Mr Mouncey play too. AFL is all about inclusiveness and whatever else. Prayer rooms for the 3 blokes named Mohammed at extravagant cost.
    AFL the most popular sport but shenanigans like this don’t pass the pub test. Rant over, time for coffee and breakfast.

  33. calli

    On the troll thing. A troll is a troll is a troll. The personal “go” at Lizzie is the dead giveaway.

    Just ignore it. What a waste of a life.

  34. Why not reverse cycle air con?

    Depending on the unit (assume heat pump), it stops working at -5C to -15C.
    Most struggle at anything below zero.

  35. Tom

    A great story about using new technology to increase margins:

    NORTH CHARLESTON, S.C. (Reuters) – Boeing Co is counting on a new kind of worker to help it reach a long-coveted target of rolling out 14 787 Dreamliners from its factories each month: half human, half robot.

    The problem is that the Dreamliner program owes Boeing $US23 billion in losses caused by production stuff-ups early in the program. Without using new systems like those outlined here, it would take another 8.5 years for the Dreamliner to even start breaking even, which would make the program close to a commercial disaster.

  36. John Constantine

    https://resourcesrisingstars.com.au/news-article/imminent-reserve-update-kirkland%E2%80%99s-rich-fosterville-mine-puts-spotlight-its-little

    the biggest news in coming months for the ASX-listed gold space is likely to be a resource and reserve upgrade for the Fosterville gold mine near Bendigo.

    In recent years, Fosterville, owned by Canada’s Kirkland Lake, which is also listed on the ASX (KLA), has made Victoria something of a global exploration hotspot. That kind of happens when exploration at depth below clapped out open-cut operations yields a discovery like the Swan zone.

    Its mining reserve currently stands at 1.16Moz grading 61.2g/t gold, or near enough to two ounces a tonne. It has recently been accessed and will underpin a surge in Fosterville’s annual production from 275,000oz this year to 400,000oz by 2020.

    The rich grade of the operation (about 20g/t currently) delivers cash costs of production that WA miners can only dream about. Forecast cash costs for this year have been estimated at $US250/oz.

    Don’t hold canadian kirkland lakes, did hold perseverence that owned the fosterville mine until the Canadians bought them out for a month or so operating profit at todays rates. That was about when Australias treasury traitors were trying to destroy the gold industry on ideological grounds.

    Wouldn’t be bad to still own a bit of fosterville now.

    The deep prospecting capability is arriving in australia, just as the anti-mining lobby is within grasp of rewilding all mining prospective ground. The surface gold was picked up two hundred years ago, the shallow gold is gone, now the next layers down are within reach.

    Fosterville at depth looks like producing as much gold as the Kalgoorlie superpit, at a higher profit margin.

    But why dig up gold and ship it off, when all australia has to do to be rich is mass import ten million of the worlds poorest people and give them interest only house loans to buy into the worlds dearest property Ponzi?.
    Treasury has bet the farm on this.

    Comrades.

  37. John Constantine

    Deep drilling for big targets.

    The lake torrens drilling has been twenty years getting permits and negotiations with stakeholders done.

    Everybody happy now, traditional landowners as well, except for a handful of individuals their abc managed to dredge up.

    Does Australia really need more Olympic Dams though, when we have our Population Property Ponzi and can borrow all we want for infrastructure from the Tyrant of the chicoms ‘belt and road’ push?.

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/rural/2019-02-01/lake-torrens-drilling-aboriginal-support/10766686

    The two resource companies are transporting all equipment needed for the exploratory drill via helicopter to avoid damaging the salt pan’s surface.

    “You can imagine heavy vehicles, back and forth for months and months, what that would do to the Lake’s surface,” SA Mining and Energy Minister Dan van Holst Pellekaan said.

    He said the solution to use a helicopter was chosen to protect the lake’s surface.

    “A platform has been carried out onto the Lake by a helicopter. Every bit of the work has to be done on that platform,” Mr van Holst Pellekaan said.

    “Every single thing has to come in by helicopter — no vehicles, no tracks, no nothing.

    “When they finish the drilling, everything is taken away including that platform.”

  38. John Constantine

    Deep drilling for big targets.

    The lake torrens drilling has been twenty years getting permits and negotiations with stakeholders done.

    Everybody happy now, traditional landowners as well, except for a handful of individuals their abc managed to dredge up.

    Does Australia really need more Olympic Dams though, when we have our Population Property Ponzi and can borrow all we want for infrastructure from the Tyrant of the chicoms ‘belt and road’ push?.

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/rural/2019-02-01/lake-torrens-drilling-aboriginal-support/10766686

    The two resource companies are transporting all equipment needed for the exploratory drill via helicopter to avoid damaging the salt pan’s surface.

    “You can imagine heavy vehicles, back and forth for months and months, what that would do to the Lake’s surface,” SA Mining and Energy Minister Dan van Holst Pellekaan said.

    He said the solution to use a helicopter was chosen to protect the lake’s surface.

    “A platform has been carried out onto the Lake by a helicopter. Every bit of the work has to be done on that platform,” Mr van Holst ‘filterword’ said.

    “Every single thing has to come in by helicopter — no vehicles, no tracks, no nothing.

    “When they finish the drilling, everything is taken away including that platform.”

  39. Baldrick

    bespoke
    #2924093, posted on February 3, 2019 at 7:43 am

    Oh come on
    #2923997, posted on February 2, 2019 at 11:56 pm
    I’ll say it again – Harks is a GrigRae iteration.

    Nope

    You’ve been here for five minutes. Get back to us in a couple of years.

  40. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    I don’t think Hairy has ever watched women’s sports.
    Then he missed out. I’m not a fan of watching any sport, but some years ago a rather gorgeous young thing ended up good enough to make the semi-finals in women’s tennis.

    Goodness, I forgot about the tennis. Yes, he has watched some of the women’s tennis. I know because I yell to close the door because of the grunts they make. I guess I was mainly thinking of the field sports where he immerses himself in the male versions only. Reading Bernard Cornwell’s novels of Uhtred, the ninth century warrior, and the battle cultures of old, makes me realise how much men still need the male group, and the shove and biff and competition of it all. They vicariously play each game, I am sure. The fact that women also watch the guys at play doesn’t obviate the maleness of it all; women used to love watching men at battle too. It thrills us (some of us, altho’ not me so much) to see big men playing rough. I had a girlfriend once who was crazy about the professional wrestling. She was a very proper English person of impeccable provenance; she went completely spare over the sweaty hulks.

    And speaking of attempts at biff – has Harken been around again, or is it just his biffo at me earlier yesterday that people recall? He waded into Arthurian waters there and seems to have drowned. 🙂

  41. bespoke

    You’ve been here for five minutes.

    Wrong 🙂

  42. Snoopy

    TheirABC

    Professor Williams and I are here to look for a creature called the white lemuroid possum, which scientists fear could become Australia’s first climate change extinction.

    Okay, we know ‘scientists say’ is not that important but is ‘scientists fear’ better or worse than ‘scientists warn’?

  43. rickw

    Professor Williams and I are here to look for a creature called the white lemuroid possum, which scientists fear could become Australia’s first climate change extinction.

    Groan…..

  44. Scientists say: “The beer is getting warmer!”

    I know this is true because I’m the scientist that said it.

    The plural might be a minor exaggeration.

    And Snoopy, I fear it is warn that I fear.

  45. bespoke

    They under estimate you Lizzie and are to thick appreciate the nuanced replies.

  46. Bill Shorten’s banking royal Commission seems to be going well.
    Tighter credit.
    Auction clearance rate collapses.
    Real estate prices falling.
    Highly intrusive credit investigations.
    Culminating in nice recession to greet Bill at The Lodge.
    Bill’s pulled off a Reverse Trump to the cheers of media.

  47. Atoms for Peace

    If the possum is white, it deserves to die. White is bad.

  48. stackja

    Whistleblowers who report dodgy employers will receive cash rewards under Bill Shorten promise

    Annika Smethurst
    , national political editor, Sunday Herald Sun
    February 2, 2019 11:30pm
    Subscriber only

    Employees who dob in dodgy bosses will be rewarded with cash bounties worth hundreds of thousands of dollars under a Labor plan to reward whistleblowers.

    On the eve of the public release of the banking royal commission report, Labor has vowed to introduce the reward scheme and beef-up protections for public and private sector employees who blow the whistle on corporate crime and unethical behaviour.

  49. Nick

    Last night’s Brisbane airport crank has been described as being ‘an Arabic speaker’.

    At the prices they charge there for a kebab, I can understand his outrage.

  50. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Win for govt as last children leave Nauru

    The last four asylum-seeker children held on Nauru and their families are preparing to fly to the US for resettlement.

    They are the last of the more than 200 children who had been held at the island’s processing centre when the coalition won government in 2013, marking a milestone for the Morrison government.

    Prime Minister Scott Morrison is expected to announce the news today as vindication of the coalition’s Operation Sovereign Borders policy. It comes ahead of the resumption of parliament, when Labor and crossbenchers are expected to push a bill that gives doctors more say in whether refugees in offshore detention on Nauru and Manus Island should be moved to the mainland for medical treatment.

    “We have got all children Labor put in detention centres out, and we have shut down all the detention centres Labor opened,” Mr Morrison said.

    From the Oz.

  51. Baldrick

    The new scientific method:

    Make a social justice observation.
    Don’t conduct any research yet.
    Form hypothesis using the words fear and warn.
    Test hypothesis on social media
    Record data on the number of likes.
    Draw a conclusion based on social media analytics
    Replicate as many times as you like until the outrage forces the government to give you a grant.
    Rinse and Repeat.

  52. Snoopy

    Labor has vowed to introduce the reward scheme and beef-up protections for public and private sector employees who blow the whistle on corporate crime and unethical behaviour.

    What are the odds that unions and political parties will be exempt from the legislation?

  53. Employees who dob in dodgy bosses will be rewarded with cash bounties …

    Oh goody. Let’s go on a “boss” hunt.

    Can we still mount the heads on the wall after we get the bounty?

  54. zyconoclast

    New Dem presidential candidate calls for ‘spiritual awakening’ in US

    Williamson is a best-selling author and spiritual counselor to Oprah Winfrey. She said in the interview Thursday that her career has prepared her to tackle the country’s “deeper levels of moral dysfunction.”

    “I have had a 35-year career in naming and transforming those dynamics,” she said. “That’s my qualification for the presidency.”

    Williamson’s platform includes a Green New Deal, universal background checks for gun owners and free college or technical school, according to her campaign website.

    In the CNN interview, she also called for reparations for slavery, with $10 billion per year to be distributed over a decade.

    “I believe $100 billion given to a council to apply this money to economic projects and educational projects of renewal for that population is a debt to be paid,” she said.

    Williamson ran for Congress in California in 2014, but placed fourth in the primary.

  55. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    the white lemuroid possum, which scientists fear could become Australia’s first climate change extinction.

    Well your scientist interlocutor here (moi!) hopes for the extinction of the possum posse who are currenting eating her Fuschia buds and making merry in the middle of her Marigolds. They are performing, as a New Zealander might say, six acts there nightly, frolicking amidst the foliage and the bowers of scintillating (for possums) golden scents.

    These are the only flowers I have had any success with in the past three years, now comprehensively and reprehensibly ruined by these prehensile perpetrators, assiduously acting out to assure the continuation of their species. I am spluttering words in my indignation. You want white ones? More of them? Put some bleach on some of mine. They are not fussy about the climate.

    The baby ones are cute, and sort of white anyway.

  56. zyconoclast

    Joe Biden embraced segregation in 1975, claiming it was a matter of ‘black pride

    But 44 years ago, facing a backlash against busing from white voters, the future vice president voiced concerns not just about the policy of busing, which he had supported when first seeking election in 1972, but about the impact of desegregation on American society. He argued that segregation was good for blacks and was what they wanted.

    “I think the concept of busing … that we are going to integrate people so that they all have the same access and they learn to grow up with one another and all the rest, is a rejection of the whole movement of black pride,” said Biden. Desegregation, he argued, was “a rejection of the entire black awareness concept, where black is beautiful, black culture should be studied; and the cultural awareness of the importance of their own identity, their own individuality.”

    Questioning whether he might be a racist, Biden said he had asked “the blacks on my staff” whether he harbored something “in me that’s deep-seated that I don’t know.”

  57. Form hypothesis using the words fear and warn.

    Form unverifiable hypothesis using the words fear and warn.

  58. Tel

    Culminating in nice recession to greet Bill at The Lodge.
    Bill’s pulled off a Reverse Trump to the cheers of media.

    I think we would already be in recession now if it wasn’t for Trump.

    Australia needs a cycle of tight credit and higher rates, teach people how to save again. Yes it will collapse some ponzi schemes but the sooner the better with ending a ponzi scheme.

  59. zyconoclast

    Worse than global warming

    Nonstop-s3x on Ibiza nudist beach ruins pristine sand dunes, scientists warn

    Unbridled passion is “degrading” the landscape at Ibiza’s famous Es Cavallet Beach, a scientist told local media. Excessive s3x sessions in the area allegedly uproot fragile plants that support the island’s trademark dunes.

  60. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    “I have had a 35-year career in naming and transforming those dynamics,” she said. “That’s my qualification for the presidency.”

    So she’s a self-help windbag for the help yourself Democrats.
    Sooner or later, as the great Margaret said, you will run out of other people’s money, dearie.

  61. zyconoclast

    The 2020 U.S. presidential election is rapidly coming into view – and so is the electorate that will determine its outcome.

    While demographic changes unfold slowly, it’s already clear that the 2020 electorate will be unique in several ways. Nonwhites will account for a third of eligible voters – their largest share ever – driven by long-term increases among certain groups, especially Hispanics. At the same time, one-in-ten eligible voters will be members of Generation Z, the Americans who will be between the ages 18 and 23 next year. That will occur as Millennials and all other older generations account for a smaller share of eligible voters than they did in 2016.

  62. I’ve got an urge to buy a new Krone mower conditioner for the hay job.
    0.9% for 60 months on offer.

  63. zyconoclast

    Is ‘fat-shaming’ racist ?

    Research by Dr Isaac Warbrick from the Auckland University of Technology has found many weight loss-centred public healthcare initiatives frame Māori as unproductive.

    Mr Warbrick is the lead author of the paper The shame of fat-shaming in public health: moving past racism to embrace indigenous solutions. It has been published in the international Public Health journal.

    “In New Zealand, weight remains the primary focus for health interventions targeting Māori, with limited mention of psychological, spiritual or whānau wellbeing,” he said.

    Nationally almost one in three adults are obese, while among Māori, 47 percent of adults are obese, according to the New Zealand Health Survey 2017/18.

    He said societal and institutional racism needed to be challenged in the areas of nutrition, physical activity and weight loss.

    “Rather than improving health outcomes for Māori, weight and weight loss-centred approaches may actually cause harm,” Mr Warbrick said.

    “It’s not fair for someone to go to the doctor after making huge lifestyle changes, exercising, changing their diet and then being told ‘you need to lose weight’ even though they might have lost a whole lot of weight and are a whole lot fitter.”

    He said that approach was unhelpful and could be a barrier for Māori engaging with health services in the future.

    Fat was also a racism issue, he noted.

    “Just as sexism-related stigma is compounded by weight anxiety, racism toward Māori is compounded by fat-shaming,” Mr Warbrick said.

    “Long before we reached the current alarming level of obesity, Māori were stigmatised, like many other colonised peoples, because of the colour of their skin, their beliefs and culture.

    “Stigma is nothing new to Māori, so when we are told that we are fat and less productive because of our fatness, we are not surprised because we have been told the same thing, albeit for different reasons, for generations.”

    The paper examines perceptions of weight and racism towards Māori, New Zealand’s policy and practice regarding weight, and proposed indigenous solutions.

    “We need indigenous-led solutions informed by indigenous knowledge.”

  64. Snoopy

    In other news, a charity in England that seeks to aid sex workers get out of prostitution is giving the girls bananas. Meeeghan is doing her bit by writing messages on the skins.

  65. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Excessive s3x sessions in the area allegedly uproot fragile plants that support the island’s trademark dunes.

    Look, it’s my possums all over again. I create a beautiful little ecology and some rampant beasts ruin it.

    What is the human equivalent of ‘Possum Off’, recommended by Bunnings?
    We shouldn’t be encouraging six in the dunes anyway. So very uncomfortable.

  66. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    paywalled no link – Shortfilth declares war on business

    DOB IN A DODGY BOSS FOR CASH REWARD: SHORTEN PLEDGE
    Australians who blow the ­whistle on their dodgy bosses will pocket hefty cash bounties under a Labor
    dollars-for-dobbing scheme.

  67. Like using condoms made out of 40 grit sandpaper.

  68. John Constantine

    Paying for informers, Stasi style.

    Any wymynsys done wrong by a man can now get paid to inform on him.

    The exmistress getting even has brung a lot of crims unstuck.

    Dunno if paying for information leading to the arrest of chicom smuggling, drug peddling and intellectual property theft would do much good.

    Paying for information leading to the arrest for corruption of our political class will never happen.

    Paying for information on thoughtcrimes is coming.Paid from the assets confiscated by the State from the Nazi.

    Comrades

  69. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    In other news, a charity in England that seeks to aid sex workers get out of prostitution is giving the girls bananas. Meeeghan is doing her bit by writing messages on the skins.

    Apparently ‘very empowering’.

  70. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    Fat was also a racism issue, he noted.

    confused, is fat a macro or micro aggression?

    “Stigma is nothing new to Māori, so when we are told that we are fat and less productive because of our fatness”

    Islanders unproductive?!? say it isn’t so

  71. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    a Labor
    dollars-for-dobbing scheme.

    Citizen Robespierre rides again.

  72. Nick

    You can only say positive things about all groups other than white males. Anything else is either shaming or phobia.

  73. Michael Smith asks “how much for Bob Kernohan on GILLARD?”

  74. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Whistleblowers who report dodgy employers will receive cash rewards under Bill Shorten promise

    Annika Smethurst
    , national political editor, Sunday Herald Sun
    February 2, 2019 8:30pm
    Subscriber only

    Employees who dob in dodgy bosses will be rewarded with cash bounties worth hundreds of thousands of dollars under a Labor plan to reward whistleblowers.

    On the eve of the public release of the banking royal commission report, Labor has vowed to introduce the reward scheme and beef-up protections for public and private sector employees who blow the whistle on corporate crime and unethical behaviour.

    Accountants and lawyers who dob in dodgy clients will also be eligible for bounties designed to encourage reporting of white-collar crimes.

    The plan would see financial whistleblowers such as Jeff Morris, who exposed corrupt practices at Commonwealth Bank that helped lead to the royal commission, paid a percentage of the penalty imposed by a court.

    Speaking to the Sunday Herald Sun, Mr Morris said a ­financial reward would encourage more people to speak up.

    “I don’t think it’s an exaggeration to say we wouldn’t have this royal commission if not for whistleblowers,” he said.

    “It would virtually guarantee that more people would come forward.”

    The Opposition remain tight-lipped on the amount of money up for grabs but the Sunday Herald Sun understands the scheme would be similar to Labor’s tax whistleblowing reward scheme. Under that proposal, whistleblowers who turn in tax avoiders or evaders will collect a share of the fine capped at $250,000 or 1 per cent of the penalty, whichever is higher.

    Under the latest proposal, investigating agencies will decide on the final penalty based on the value of the informer’s information, the whistleblower’s conduct and the risk of reprisals.

    In the wake of the global ­financial crisis, the US government introduced a financial compensation scheme to help uncover fraudulent acts. US whistleblowers who provide vital information can receive up to 30 per cent of any penalty triggered by their information.

    In 2014, one whistleblower received a $US30 million reward.

    Curious, this is a country that used to despise the “pimp” and the informant.

  75. Peter Castieau

    I’m listening to #theirInsiders on the radio and earlier on during Shortens interview there was an almighty crash in the studio apparently involving a camera man. Did anyone see it?

  76. mh

    Donald J. Trump
    Donald J. Trump
    @realDonaldTrump
    ·
    4h
    Great morning at Trump National Golf Club in Jupiter, Florida with
    @JackNicklaus
    and
    @TigerWoods
    !

    https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1091760712756744192?s=20

  77. mh

    Florida seems preferable to Chicago this time of year.

  78. Nick

    The election of Shorten is going to be interesting. As mentioned upthread, he may inherit a falling business cycle. This will do wonders for a Government that will have few options given their plan to tax a heavily falling property market and superannuation investments.

  79. Leo G

    the white lemuroid possum, which scientists fear could become Australia’s first climate change extinction.

    Also known as the Mount Carbine Queensland ringtail gliding poley bear.

  80. Geriatric Mayfly

    a Labor dollars-for-dobbing scheme.</em

    Knocks on the doors at 3 am by wimminzes in Fedoras and leather coats will soon bring those dodgy bosses into line.

  81. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    The paper examines perceptions of weight and racism towards Māori, New Zealand’s policy and practice regarding weight, and proposed indigenous solutions.

    Indigenous diet tips? Up from the mat.
    Eat less, move more?

    Sometimes, as for example when I surreptitiously wipe the floor with the kitchen cloth, Hairy quips that I am reverting to my Westie origins. He calls it going ‘back to da mat’. As I am the soul of discretion, I refrain from mentioning bog Irishness. Or the filthy English.

    Ethnic slurs are so distasteful.
    They’re fun but. In their place.

  82. Nick

    The Kiwis will want some global warming if it gets rid of a few possums bro.

  83. John Constantine

    What if somebody sold a worthless piggery for millions?.

    What if somebodys wife makes mass millions of profit from contracts that her husband oversees the drafting of guidelines for?.

    What if somebody gets a big job from a crime syndicate they donated government money to?.

    What if somebody ends up with a mansion worth a hundred times his wage after he leaves government?.

  84. John Constantine

    Can we inform on ABC personalities that dodge tax through production companies that get handed Big contracts without competitive tender?.

  85. Will Shorten reward Union members who dob in their leaders for ripping off funds. How about just asking them to reveal their credit card payments using Union money.

  86. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Will Shorten reward Union members who dob in their leaders for ripping off funds. How about just asking them to reveal their credit card payments using Union money.

    Bet good money the “bruvva’s” will be exempt.

  87. Snoopy

    Just as unions and NFP’s are exempt from Labor’s proposed franking credits legislation so will unions and NFP’s be exempt from the proposed supergrass legislation. Follow the money.

  88. John Constantine

    Shortens modern monetary theory allows him to print money as the cycle tightens with the floating exchange rate dropping to enhance exports, discourage imports and lift consumption as people spend their devaluing currency on real assets.

    Thus venezuela, on the path to zimbabwe.

    Somebody else can fix it in another decade, while shorten retires, alongside ruddfilth and redfilth gillard and turnfailure, to deposed dictators dacha row on Manhattan Island.

    Comrades.

  89. Nick

    Can we inform on ABC personalities that dodge tax through production companies that get handed Big contracts without competitive tender?.

    Who also engage in paid public speaking opportunities.
    We can add ABC producers who give free publicity to a colleague who happens to have a book out at the moment.

  90. John Constantine

    Seriously, how many first world countries have a series of their deposed dictators flee the country for a foreign capital?.

    Isn’t this a sign of banana republichood?.

    Comrades?.

  91. Nick

    and lift consumption as people spend their devaluing currency on real assets.

    Let’s see how much effect that a devalued primary asset such as a family home, excites the electorate.

  92. OldOzzie

    The Grand Tour Colombia special – Jeremy Clarkson stops to take some pictures of some donkeys

    Does not show in this 1 min 59 secs youtube clip but as the Grand Tour Colombia Special continued on from here Jeremy was quite shaken

  93. Let’s see how much effect that a devalued primary asset such as a family home, excites the electorate.

    D-cup Bill will offset this problem with Keatingesque interest rates (e.g. 25%).

  94. Roger

    Just as unions and NFP’s are exempt from Labor’s proposed franking credits legislation so will unions and NFP’s be exempt from the proposed supergrass legislation. Follow the money.

    Can’t wait for Shorten’s election night speech “We will govern for all Australians” uttered with a straight face.

  95. C.L.

    Tom, this morning (Blood Sport thread):

    It won’t make it into the SOTU speech, but leftards’ lunatic reaction to/rejection of the very existence of a 1990s Democrat like Trump taking the White House for the GOP is forcing the Dems off the scale to the left (rejecting commonsense stuff like border security, replacing abortion with actual child murder, embracing 90% tax rates, etc).

    The behaviour of the Dems and the broader Resistance (especially the media), not anything Trump dreams up and not even the Mueller witchhunt, is writing all his material for 2020 and making his Democratic Party challengers unelectable.

    For reasons I don’t yet fully understand, Trump Derangement is so primal and visceral it forces his opponents to behave like delinquent children. Lulled by the MSM’s 24/7 obeisance, the Dems have forgotten that middle America across the “lower 48” elect the president, not the DNC-voting zombies in NYC and LA.

    It’s almost impossible for the media to accurately poll this effect since the MSM is now designing opinion polling primarily as an anti-Trump propaganda weapon that can be used against him.

    What’s happening now is the direct result of having Obama in the White House for eight years. It has given the American left a toxic political cocktail — the belief that it’s possible to have a communist in the White House transforming the country into a socialist utopia (Obamacare is a dragon that Trump hasn’t yet slain); and a sense of entitlement to endless political power, which the American left is now addicted to.

  96. Old School Conservative

    ABC employees informing on ABC employees? Tell him he’s dreaming.

  97. C.L.

    Employees who dob in dodgy bosses will be rewarded with cash bounties worth hundreds of thousands of dollars under a Labor plan to reward whistleblowers.

    Needless to say, this will not apply to union staffers.

    … this is a country that used to despise the “pimp” and the informant.

    That country is largely gone.

  98. John Constantine

    https://www.premier.vic.gov.au/statement-on-conversion-therapy/?fbclid=IwAR3r16BRoIzLi08p_Y4bpVRzasq3bwCsYg2jNWUk18SNtT7uWRT7IoruyGk

    Conversion therapy has lost its social license.

    Making it a criminal offence between two willing adults though makes it a Thoughtcrime.

    Comrades.

  99. wivenhoe

    Also known as the Mount Carbine Queensland ringtail gliding poley bear.

  100. wivenhoe

    Also known as the Mount Carbine Queensland ringtail gliding poley bear.

    Drop Bears are us.

  101. John Constantine

    But for far too long and for far too many Victorians, an evil practice has instead peddled in shame and stigma.

    These activities – commonly referred to as ‘gay conversion therapy’ – claim to be able to change someone’s sexuality or gender identity.

    What they really are is a most personal form of torture, a cruel practice that perpetuates the idea that LGBTI people are in some way broken.

    Some survivors, seeking genuine professional support, have instead found themselves on the other end of this bigoted quackery.

    Others have sought it out, forced to believe that they somehow need to be ‘cured’.

    But it’s not LGBTI people who need to change. It’s our laws.

    That’s why, in an Australian first, we will introduce new legislation to ensure so-called ‘conversion therapy’ is against the law – once and for all.

    We’ll drag these practices from the dark ages and into the brightest of lights.

    We’ll put an end to the suffering and help survivors to heal.

  102. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Bill Shorten invokes Margaret Thatcher’s famous line defending his crackdown on franking credits

    Greg Brown
    Journalist
    @gregbrown_TheOz
    27 minutes ago February 3, 2019
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    Bill Shorten has invoked Margaret Thatcher in defending his crackdown on dividend imputation, declaring he is “not for turning” on the policy.

    The Opposition Leader echoed a famous line from the icon of Britain’s Conservative Party to declare he would not yield to pressure to amend Labor’s promise to axe cash refunds for franking credits.

    “We’re not for turning,” Mr Shorten told the ABC.

    “To put it directly: do people want a government or do they want a piece of plasticine?

    “Do people want a government with tax principles and fairness at their core or do they just want a lump of political putty?

    “We have had six years of a plasticine government and we are putting our views out because we want Australia to be fairer and we want to operate in the interests of the millions of people who go to work every day; the pensioners.”

    Mrs Thatcher, loathed by unionists and supporters of the British Labour Party, used the phrase at the Conservative Party conference in 1980 to reject pleas for a “u-turn” on her neoliberal economic agenda.

    “To those waiting with bated breath for that favourite media catchphrase, the u-turn, I have only one thing to say: you turn if you want to. The lady’s not for turning,” she said.

    Mr Shorten said the decision by the Howard government to introduce cash refunds for franking credits – supported by the then Labor opposition – had created a “crazy situation” where non taxpayers get tax refunds.

    “In 1987, Paul Keating introduced the scheme, a basic principle of tax equity, he said you shouldn’t pay tax twice. So a dividend that a person receives was taxed as company tax and then it used to be taxed as income tax. He removed the double taxation,” Mr Shorten said.

    “But in 2001 John Howard and Peter Costello, when they had more money than they knew what to do with, abandoned tax principles and now we have got a crazy situation where a non-taxpayer gets a cash tax refund.

    “What principle of taxation says that a person who doesn’t pay tax gets a cash tax refund? Let’s open the textbooks: it doesn’t exist.”

    He said it was not fair the federal government was spending more on the tax concession than funding for public schools.

    From the Oz.

  103. C.L.

    Looks like Tiger Woods (Trump tweet above) has been working out.
    In great shape compared to five years ago.

  104. candy

    Dob in A Dodgy Boss sounds like class warfare, the way Bill Shorten promotes it.
    Probably deliberate.

  105. John Constantine

    Shorten is not for turning, once bought, he stays bought.

  106. C.L.

    John’s link: here is the full statement by abortion enthusiast Daniel Andrews …

    Today, Cath and I will attend another Midsumma Pride March together.

    We’ll march alongside thousands of other Victorians, united in the belief that everyone should be able to celebrate who they are with pride.

    But for far too long and for far too many Victorians, an evil practice has instead peddled in shame and stigma.

    These activities – commonly referred to as ‘gay conversion therapy’ – claim to be able to change someone’s sexuality or gender identity.

    What they really are is a most personal form of torture, a cruel practice that perpetuates the idea that LGBTI people are in some way broken.

    Some survivors, seeking genuine professional support, have instead found themselves on the other end of this bigoted quackery.

    Others have sought it out, forced to believe that they somehow need to be ‘cured’.

    But it’s not LGBTI people who need to change. It’s our laws.

    That’s why, in an Australian first, we will introduce new legislation to ensure so-called ‘conversion therapy’ is against the law – once and for all.

    We’ll drag these practices from the dark ages and into the brightest of lights.

    We’ll put an end to the suffering and help survivors to heal.

    And we’ll send the clearest message of all:

    Here in Victoria, not only are you good enough – you’re worth celebrating.

    I look forward to Andrews banning the killing of Down Syndrome babies.

  107. From the old Fred
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:TennisGirl_thumb.jpg

    Nothing unusual in that. Except she wore frilly lace panties.
    Women’s tennis skyrocketed in popularity. Viewing audiences went up tenfold. Negotiations were entered into to increase women’s prize money. The governing body had no option –
    They banned women’s frilly lace panties.

    …and this was the result?
    If you work in a nunnery, prolly nsfw.

  108. Roger

    What they really are is a most personal form of torture, a cruel practice that perpetuates the idea that LGBTI people are in some way broken.

    Of course they are “broken”; we are all “broken” in some way, as the Christian doctrine of original sin informs us, and this brokenness manifests itself in a myriad of ways in our lives, including sexual deviancy.

    Whether conversion therapy is pseudo-scientific or not, Andrews, a putative Catholic, is treading on very dangerous ground.

  109. rickw

    Just as sexism-related stigma is compounded by weight anxiety, racism toward Māori is compounded by fat-shaming,” Mr Warbrick said.

    Almost perfect intersectionality, just missing muslim and transgender.

  110. Yeah, the Northam thing is interesting. Wingnuts all said “Oh watch this guy get off scot free, Democrats are so hypocritical” but then Democrats pretty much all said he should resign, so now the wingnuts are like “hmm wait a minute, let’s not be too hasty and string this guy up for something that happened 35 years ago”, so it’s hard to take takes from the right seriously.

    He is going to try to tough it out because his polling before this blew up was awesome, but I suspect that’s not going to last and he will have to bow to the inevitable.

    As for the abortion legislation, again you lot have mischaracterised it so badly that you can’t be taken seriously.

  111. Shy Ted

    Breaking news – ABC journo sacked after failing to include the words “climate change” in her question.

  112. rickw

    Today, Cath and I will attend another Midsumma Pride March together.

    Taking the kids along?

    I wonder if this mental illness parade will at some stage be met by the low IQ parade (jungle bunnies plus muzzies).

  113. Infidel Tiger

    Dems only want Northam to resign so that they don’t have talk about their love of infanticide any more.

    You are very sick people Monty. Baby sacrificing sickos.

  114. rickw

    As for the abortion legislation, again you lot have mischaracterised it so badly that you can’t be taken seriously.

    I thought their joyous victory speech and celebration was all the characterisation anyone needed to fully understand the legislation. Moloch rides again.

  115. amortiser

    What principle of taxation says that a person who doesn’t pay tax gets a cash tax refund? Let’s open the textbooks: it doesn’t exist.”

    On this argument, no wage earner pays tax either. The tax is paid to the government by the employer just as the tax on dividends is paid by the company.

    Will Shorten cancel all tax refunds to employees?

  116. Snoopy

    Monty is okay with killing babies but blackface is a step too far.

  117. mh

    “My belief that I did not wear that costume or attend that party stems in part from my clear memory of other mistakes I make in this same period of my life,” Northam relented. “That same year I did participate in a dance contest in San Antonio in which I darkened my face as part of a Michael Jackson costume. I look back now and regret that I did not understand the harmful legacy of an action like that. It is because my memory of that episode is so vivid, that I truly did not believe that I am in the picture in my yearbook. You remember these things.”

    Why would you do blackface when you are in Michael Jackson costume?

    Michael Jackson was in whiteface most of his life.

  118. bespoke

    Two camps in the right wing commentariat.

    One says Northam should hold his ground against the mob for (foolish but youthful mistake). and the other one is payback for MAGA kid and BK.

    I didn’t see such ethical divide on the left about the MAGA kid and Brett Kavanaugh.

  119. Interesting treasure hunter find in Wales. From Courier Mail.

    Found a 2,000 year old Celtic chariot.

  120. MatrixTransform

    Who’s an accountant here? I need to get clearer on what ‘excess’ tax credits actually are.

    If I’m say a chiropractor with a private company and I pay myself $100k per annum. PAYG etc

    At the end the year the company has an unencumbered $30k after tax and wants to disburse that to the missus who doesnt work, stays at home making toast and patting the kiddies on the head in between SpazBook posts.

    She has no income except the dividend + franking credits and under the current system enjoys some benefit from the tax credits by also receiving a tax refund.

    As it stands, the missus’ income is $30k + say $10k franking credits = $40k, her tax payable would be something like $5k … but $10k is already tax paid so her tax refund would also be around $5k.

    Are these EXCESS tax credits?

    is this also a tax refund that Mr Shortchange wants to keep?

    if true, then Labore’s proposed changes we reach very very deeply into a lot of small businesses

  121. JC

    Monster

    Not just the GOP that wants him to resign. At least the GOP is suggesting resignation to ensure D’rats keep to standards they expect from the other side.
    The Drats want him to resign so they can begin the “healing process”. Yep, the healing process because he dressed up in fancy dress 30 fucking years ago.

    All perfectly normal.

  122. Geriatric Mayfly

    The Hunch Back speaks: Victoria to ban gay conversion therapy

    Does this mean that Ross Ward’s “Safe Schools” grooming programme is to be scrapped?

  123. Not just the GOP that wants him to resign. At least the GOP is suggesting resignation to ensure D’rats keep to standards they expect from the other side.
    The Drats want him to resign so they can begin the “healing process”. Yep, the healing process because he dressed up in fancy dress 30 fucking years ago.

    No, the Democrats have standards, and they are upholding them.

    The GOP has no standards. See: Hastert, Dennis.

  124. dopey

    Brisbane Airport crank. The domestic terminal is for ‘domestic incidents’, not the international.

  125. Bill Thompson

    Outside Insiders with Billy Backdoor – part 1

    https://youtu.be/PLlHC1xhzEk

  126. Black Ball

    No, the Democrats have standards, and they are upholding them.

    Bob Menendez

  127. Does this mean that Ross Ward’s “Safe Schools” grooming programme is to be scrapped?

    Jeez. Get with the program!

    Conversion TO alphabet = good
    Conversion FROM alphabet = bad

  128. JC

    No, the Democrats have standards, and they are upholding them.

    Oh yea, standards. Those standards where they had a KKK grand wizard in the senate for 50 years.
    STFU and go eat a donut.

  129. Tom:

    The world’s largest planemaker is equipping mechanics with exoskeletons, similar to ones that allow cameramen to quickly navigate the sidelines of NFL football games, to increase their strength and speed. The high-tech suits also help reduce fatigue on repetitive tasks, such as overhead drilling.

    Why not just give the wukkas amphetamines?

  130. Boambee John

    Bill Shorten has invoked Margaret Thatcher in defending his crackdown on dividend imputation, declaring he is “not for turning” on the policy.

    The Opposition Leader echoed a famous line from the icon of Britain’s Conservative Party to declare he would not yield to pressure to amend Labor’s promise to axe cash refunds for franking credits.

    “We’re not for turning,” Mr Shorten told the ABC.

    “To put it directly: do people want a government or do they want a piece of plasticine?

    “Do people want a government with tax principles and fairness at their core or do they just want a lump of political putty?

    Was that Bill Shorten or Bill Hewson speaking? A competent government could destroy Shorten. Unfortunately, …

  131. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    No, the Democrats have standards, and they are upholding them.

    Yubitsume 指詰め is the very minimum these rats must demand!

  132. Boambee John

    m0nty at 1059

    again you lot have mischaracterised

    Still with the de-humanising language, an incorrigible left fascist.

  133. Oh yea, standards. Those standards where they had a KKK grand wizard in the senate for 50 years.

    This is what I am talking about, you lot always overreach with extra lies so it’s difficult to take you seriously.

  134. Lizzie;

    Well your scientist interlocutor here (moi!) hopes for the extinction of the possum posse who are currenting eating her Fuschia buds and making merry in the middle of her Marigolds. They are performing, as a New Zealander might say, six acts there nightly, frolicking amidst the foliage and the bowers of scintillating (for possums) golden scents.

    Put a dozen mouse or rat traps in their favourite bonking spot.
    That’ll slow the bastards down a bit.

  135. Bill Thompson

    Outside Insiders with Billy Backdoor – part 2

    https://youtu.be/xQgGNZZCxh8

  136. Boambee John

    No, the Democrats have standards, and they are upholding them.

    Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha. ROFLMAO, stop it m0nty, you’re killing me!

  137. JC

    Monster

    You’re not making any sense.

    Robert Byrd was a D’rat senator.

    Lay off the sugar highs.

  138. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    from above link – The great replacement not going so well while the shitholeification going great guns
    —-
    The French economy is, in fact, sclerotic. The Index of Economic Freedom created by the Heritage Foundation and the Wall Street Journal ranks it 71st in the world (35th among the 44 countries in the Europe region) and notes that “the government spending accounts for more than half of total domestic output“. The Index also reveals that “the budget has been chronically in deficit”; that “corruption remains a problem and that “the labor market is burdened with rigid regulations” leading to a high level of unemployment.

    France has lost almost all its factories (industrial jobs account for only 9.6% of total employment). Its agriculture is in ruins, despite huge European subsidies: 30% percent of French farmers earn less than 350 euros ($400) a month and dozens commit suicide each year. In the high-tech sector, France is essentially absent.

    A brain drain has started that show no signs it will stop.

    In parallel, each year, 200,000 immigrants from Africa or the Arab world, often without skills, arrive. Most are Muslim and have been contributing to the Islamization of France.

  139. Boambee John

    m0nty
    #2924215, posted on February 3, 2019 at 11:45 am
    Oh yea, standards. Those standards where they had a KKK grand wizard in the senate for 50 years.

    This is what I am talking about, you lot always overreach with extra lies so it’s difficult to take you seriously.

    You really are a pathetic excuse for a human being. If you do not know Byrd’s history, you should keep quiet to hide your ignorance, not speak up to display it.

  140. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    “We’re not for turning,” Mr Shorten told the ABC.

    cause half of you scum are already gay

  141. Confused Old Misfit

    On the New York “Reproductive Health Act“:

    The fact is, there is absolutely nothing in the bill, or the state of the law after its enactment, that would prohibit any of these following things.
    Abortion up until the moment of birth for any reason – because of the broad definition of “health” that could include virtually anything the mother and the abortionist want it to mean.
    Non-doctors doing surgical abortions (e.g. vacuum aspirations) – because it repeals the physician-only provision of the old law and leaves it entirely up to the Education Department to decide who can do abortions.
    Pharmaceutical abortions prescribed online (the term is “telemed”) – again, because the scope of practice of the abortionist is entirely in the discretion of the Education Department.
    New York becoming an abortion destination – because we will be one of the few states in the nation that permits late-term abortions for any reason without any regulation.
    Aborting an infant with a disability who would need medical care to survive out of the womb – because of the vagueness of the term “viability”, and also because of the broadness of the term “health”.
    Not treating an infant born alive accidentally – because it repealed the law that granted legal protection to such children, and because abortionists are not going to treat the child that they were in the process of killing in the womb moments earlier.
    Prosecutions of non-licensed persons performing abortions (the old “back-alley” abortion) – because prosecuting the offense of practicing medicine without a license is up to the discretion of the Education Department and the Attorney General, and it’s very unlikely that New York’s staunchly pro-abortion government is going to do much about this.
    An attack on an unborn child that does no harm to the mother but causes a miscarriage – because the unborn child is not a “person” under our law, the only possible crimes to prosecute might be misdemeanor assaults on the mother, a woefully inadequate remedy for such a heinous offense.

  142. dover_beach

    As for the abortion legislation, again you lot have mischaracterised it so badly that you can’t be taken seriously.

    LOL. You’re not fooling anyone Molochite.

  143. Baldrick

    Oh m0nty, you just stepped on another rake …

    James Comey ✔ @Comey
    Governor Northam should resign. Our Commonwealth is better than this and deserves better than this.

  144. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    Chinese students are stealing intellectual property for Beijing, warns US intelligence agencies

    US intelligence agencies have issued an alert to universities and research corporations: China is using student spies to steal your secrets.

  145. Robert Byrd was a D’rat senator.

    Yes, but he wasn’t a grand wizard. Also, he resigned years before running for office.

  146. John Constantine

    Will their shorten government pay for information leading to the arrest of chicom spies?.

    Or only pay for information on thoughtcrimes of their enemies.

    Spies working for big political donors the the peoples liberation army secret police are off limits.

    Comrades.

  147. Also, it’s hilarious that you lot are trying to take the high moral ground over ancient events from the late Cretaceous period when your boy, whom you are still all in for, had unprotected adulterous sex with a porn star while his third wife was recovering from childbirth, then paid her six figures for her silence weeks before the election from a slush fund filled with corporate bribes.

  148. C.L.

    Monty is right.
    Robert Byrd wasn’t a Grand Wizard.
    He was an Exalted Cyclops.

    I shall never fight in the armed forces with a negro by my side … Rather I should die a thousand times, and see Old Glory trampled in the dirt never to rise again, than to see this beloved land of ours become degraded by race mongrels, a throwback to the blackest specimen from the wilds.

    — Robert C. Byrd, 1944

    Now that’s what you call moon-walking.

  149. John Constantine

    Limit loan repayments to ten percent of the borrowers income.

    The taxpayers alliance informs us that legislation is coming with bipartisan support to cut poor people borrowing for stuff.

    Ponzi crumbling.

    This is why we are mass importing millions of the world’s poorest people, so they will borrow insane amounts and consume.

    Comrades.

  150. C.L.

    Just as sexism-related stigma is compounded by weight anxiety, racism toward Māori is compounded by fat-shaming,” Mr Warbrick said.

    Maoris are not naturally fat.
    They’re whoppers because they eat too much.
    In olden times, they were restricted to fish, greens and human heads.

  151. JC

    Fatboy

    I suggested it’s a disgrace people are held to account for stuff they did in the long past. Let the healing begin. Lol

    Trump bonked d cup we’ll over a decade ago.

    Go eat a donut, you fat idiot.

  152. C.L.

    As Exalted Cyclops, Byrd was responsible for recruitment.
    It would be interesting know how many deaths he was responsible for.

  153. Yes, but he wasn’t a grand wizard. Also, he resigned years before running for office.

    He was a Kleagle and Exalted Cyclops (LOL), he left the clan in 1946 and became a Rep in 1953.

  154. Trump bonked d cup we’ll over a decade ago.

    But the bribes happened two years ago.

  155. zyconoclast

    Islanders unproductive?!? say it isn’t so

    Sekope Kepu on the Wallabies’ rising Pacific Islands influence

    THE Wallabies squad is more multicultural than ever, a diverse ethnic mix representative of modern Australia.
    Twenty of the current squad were born in Australia and 14 drew their first breath overseas.

    It’s not helping

    The Wallabies have finished the year with four victories from 13 games – for a 31 per cent winning record

  156. Yes, but he wasn’t a grand wizard. Also, he resigned years before running for office.

    I also find it interesting to note that during the Kavanaugh nomination what he did as a teenager 25 years previously was of great relevance but Byrd leaving the clan 7 years prior is a “meh” moment.

  157. It would be interesting know how many deaths he was responsible for.

    Same goes for Hastert.

  158. JC

    You can’t trust a lot of stuff in blogs.

    Someone above posted a piece about France that stated industry is under 10% of its economy. I thought that was wrong because the frogs are pretty decent at making things.

    Sure enough, as I found out. industry is about 20% of GDP.

    The Right doesn’t need to make shit up to win arguments. But we’re seeing a lot more of this bullshit.

    GDP by sector
    agriculture (1.6%), industry (19.4%), services (78.9%) (2017 est)[3]

  159. Baldrick

    Yes m0nty, we all know how much you just love poking fun at blackface …

    Paul Montgomery @m0nty
    I hear @EddiePerfect is working on a new musical called Spidercam: Turn Off The Dark, where he plays Tendulkar in black face. #edgy #ausvind

  160. JC

    Fatboy

    Bribes are illegal. Trump didn’t bribe the slut. He paid her to shut her mouth about the bonking – obviously to keep the nonsense away from his family. Totally understandable.

    The court agreed with Trump and that’s the reason she’s bankrupted.

  161. Arky

    The troll does not read your replies or address tge points you make.
    Why engage?
    In NY it is now legal to murder newborns.
    Evil bloody bastards.

    Every third-trimester abortion involves inducing labor anyway — so why not just allow the baby to be born alive, instead of killing her in the hours before her delivery?

  162. Arky

    Endless cycle of whataboutism, deflection and derailment.
    OK on an open thread (maybe), but ban the idiots from the topic threads please.

  163. zyconoclast

    All this talk of class warfare and politics of envy sound like talking points from about 1950.

    Does anyone under the age 60 even know what this means or give a rats @rse about it?

  164. Baldrick

    It’s a favourite tactic of the Left. Welcome to 2019.

  165. Geriatric Mayfly

    THE REEEETURN OF TRACEEEE, FORMER ABC/FAIRFAX CRAZY LADY
    Long-time readers may recall Melbourne journalist Traceeee Hutchison, a kind of pre-frightbat who for a time held positions at both the ABC and Fairfax.
    Blair.

    Clammy goes, and another Leftist femmo-whacko rears up. Much to my embarrassment I recall reading some of Traceeee’s bilge; the usual whining, moaning, victim’s variations on a theme.

  166. Caveman

    Whether you like him or not , Abbott loses Warringah , Aust is fukd.

  167. candy

    Perhaps the Northam fellow won’t resign until Obama tweets something.
    I think if Obama talks about forgiveness it will all dissipate (or they think it will).

    Probably what the Dems are praying for – for Obama to talk of healing so they can minimise the damage .

  168. Tiny Dancer

    “Bribes”. Only in the land of inhaling doughnuts.

  169. Tel

    https://www.blackandblondemedia.com/2009/01/14/democrat-race-lie/

    No, the Democrats have standards, and they are upholding them.

    They sure are true to form, no doubt about that.

  170. Caveman. When it happens the left will have a proven recipe for continuing their control of the agenda and who sits in parliament.

  171. Tel

    “whataboutism” = “Don’t dis my hypocrisy!!”

  172. dover_beach

    Every third-trimester abortion involves inducing labor anyway — so why not just allow the baby to be born alive, instead of killing her in the hours before her delivery?

    Exactly. This is true of any complications in the late second or during the third trimester. You could either induce delivery or perform a C-section and then medically treat the mother and child separately. There is no reason to deliberately kill the child in utero or post partum.

  173. Bribes are illegal. Trump didn’t bribe the slut. He paid her to shut her mouth about the bonking – obviously to keep the nonsense away from his family. Totally understandable.

    The bribes were paid into the slush fund by corporates currying favour.

  174. C.L.

    Smollett hoax latest:

    Apparently lobby video shows Smollett arrive back to his building – still with a Subway sandwich.
    That’s Christine Nixon-level dedication to a snack.

  175. JC

    Harksie goes into full hallucination mode.

    What about the kids and their kids kids.

    , says harksie.

    The Pedophrast conveniently forgets his very own Pedophrasty.

  176. candy

    Whether you like him or not , Abbott loses Warringah , Aust is fukd.

    TA and Libs might have to face up to that pretty soon. He has ended up in an electorate not really compatible now. It’s moved on to something more elite/green/liberal by the sounds of it, things evolve. The more affluence, the more progressive/liberal people go, like the Dems in America.

    Must be quite worrying for him, really. He can’t pretend to be anything other than conservative, he’s not a pretender.

    It must be worrying for him, as he can’t pretend to be anything else other than conservative. He’ s not a pretender.

  177. JC

    The bribes were paid into the slush fund by corporates currying favour.

    You’re lying.

  178. Arky

    Politics is a brutal form of tribalism.
    I remember, long ago, a teacher introducing me to a friend.
    “Don’t worry, he is one of us”. he said to her.
    Meaning, at the time, I was in the union and down with all the left of centre nonsense.
    The conservative side don’t get the ferocity.
    They think it is a debate.
    It isn’t. It is war.

  179. C.L.

    THE REEEETURN OF TRACEEEE

    LOL. Blair’s pursuit of Traceeeee was hilarious.
    It’s great to have her back.

  180. Look it up JC, the payments into the slush fund were by companies looking for favours from Trump.

  181. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    But the bribes happened two years ago.

    the whore was effectively blackmailing, she should be locked up. trust manboob to sympathise with a whore

  182. C.L.

    I hope this critter survives; even notorious possophobe Gab would agree, I think:

    As the cloud forests get hotter, the white lemuroid possum gets closer to extinction.

  183. Boambee John

    Every third-trimester abortion involves inducing labor anyway — so why not just allow the baby to be born alive, instead of killing her in the hours before her delivery?

    The fascist left (BIRM) have made adoption almost impossible, involving years of effort and major costs, but make late term/post birth abortion legal.

    They really, really, hate humanity.

  184. egg_

    “but at least we didn’t get Hillary – that would have been a dis-as-ter!”

    Has the Hillbot had an @rse-op?

  185. dover_beach

    ‘Whataboutism’ has its place. Practically speaking, the lesser of two evils is always to be preferred so pointing out the weaknesses of X, which may be true, doesn’t matter if the weaknesses of Y are quantitatively and qualitatively worse. This also doesn’t detract from the fact that X may have more policy strengths than Y.

    Whataboutism is only an informal fallacy. You have to show why, in this or that instance, it fails as an argument.

  186. Boambee John

    JC
    #2924274, posted on February 3, 2019 at 12:52 pm
    The bribes were paid into the slush fund by corporates currying favour.

    You’re lying.

    Of course m0nty is lying. He’s a lefty.

  187. the whore was effectively blackmailing, she should be locked up.

    “My adulterous, lecherous leader barebacked a whore and paid her off with funds from a dodgy slush fund weeks before an election, it’s totally her fault though.”

  188. Confused Old Misfit

    The doughnut scoffer must be a fisherman to judge by the number of Red Herrings he tosses around.

  189. Check the soles of your shoes(or thongs) cats.
    There’s a bad smell in here.

  190. ‘Whataboutism’ has its place. Practically speaking, the lesser of two evils is always to be preferred so pointing out the weaknesses of X, which may be true, doesn’t matter if the weaknesses of Y are quantitatively and qualitatively worse. This also doesn’t detract from the fact that X may have more policy strengths than Y.

    Whataboutism is only an informal fallacy. You have to show why, in this or that instance, it fails as an argument.

    Moral relativism: the new credo of conservative Christianity.

  191. Snoopy

    Who will leave office first, Northam or Trump?

  192. Bruce of Newcastle

    The bribes were paid into the slush fund by corporates currying favour.

    Careful. Saying bad things about the Clinton Foundation can be toxic to your health M0nty.

  193. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    “My adulterous, lecherous leader barebacked a whore and paid her off with funds from a dodgy slush fund weeks before an election, it’s totally her fault though.”

    Sounds awfully like, oh, what was his name again? Got bumped off in Dallas back in 1963.

  194. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    manboobs go take your xanax, your toxic masculinity is showing

  195. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    lol
    The Grand Tour’s Jeremy Clarkson responds after Will Young calls show “homophobic” and “bigoted”
    “I’m not homophobic as I very much enjoy watching lesbians on the internet.”

  196. Tom

    “I’m not homophobic as I very much enjoy watching lesbians on the internet.”

    — Jeremy Clarkson liberty quote

  197. egg_

    whataboutism

    Ruining Western economies based on a disproved hypothesis?

    NASA – Water Vapor Confirmed as Major Player in Climate Change

  198. John Constantine

    From zippy’s link it seems that even with maduro unable to get it out the country, Venezuela still has more valuable gold reserves than Australia is left with.

    [ australias treasury selling off nearly all australias gold reserves to the chicoms for a quarter of current day value solved their barbarous relic problem.]

    [ plus once australias gold was solved, the money could be used to mass import welfare herds of the worlds poorest people to vote for progressive policy.]

  199. calli

    It’s always amusing to watch the urbane, condescending mask slip. Educational too.

  200. Cassie of Sydney

    “candy
    #2924273, posted on February 3, 2019 at 12:52 pm
    Whether you like him or not , Abbott loses Warringah , Aust is fukd.

    TA and Libs might have to face up to that pretty soon. He has ended up in an electorate not really compatible now. It’s moved on to something more elite/green/liberal by the sounds of it, things evolve. The more affluence, the more progressive/liberal people go, like the Dems in America.

    Must be quite worrying for him, really. He can’t pretend to be anything other than conservative, he’s not a pretender.

    It must be worrying for him, as he can’t pretend to be anything else other than conservative. He’ s not a pretender.

    You have made some valid points Candy although I think the electorate of Warringah still remains a lot more conservative than the electorate of Wentworth (where I live). Whilst Manly is similar to Bondi……I don’t think Warringah has the same large “gay” vote.

    Also, it is very, very rare for an incumbent to be beaten by an independent….although that did happen to Sophie Mirabella in Indi in 2013 however I reckon Abbott is a lot, lot more popular than Mirabella ever was. Tony is well respected and quite popular in his electorate….Mirabella was never an “approachable” person.

    So while you might be right…I personally would be very surprised if Abbott loses however anything is possible given the mendacity and lies of Steggall and GetUp….and let’s be clear here….Steggall and GetUp are in cahoots and have been from the beginning. When I saw her press conference last Sunday…even though she denied GetUp “help”…it was clear from the sly tone, the t-shirts and all the other glib crap she was sprouting that she was basing her campaign on Phoney Phelps’ campaign in Wentworth….I would smell GetUp.

    The good thing is that Tony Abbott, being a backbencher, will have a lot of time to campaign….and as we know…Tony Abbott is probably one of the best political campaigners in this country….if not the best.

    However…we will see.

  201. NASA – Water Vapor Confirmed as Major Player in Climate Change

    Wait for the H2O tax.
    aka the war on Hydrogen.

  202. calli

    Clarkson is a National Treasure.

  203. John Constantine

    On the other hand, at least the chicoms paid bargain basement price for australias gold reserves, if they were still in a vault here, shorten could hire an antonov from the russian mafia and cruise off into exile on top of the pile.

    Smaug the Shorten will have to work a bit harder to collect his golden hoard in 2020 australia.

    Comrades.

  204. calli

    NASA – Water Vapor Confirmed as Major Player in Climate Change

    So there was no need to pass off the steam from cooling towers as debbildebbil coal smoke after all?

  205. Moral relativism: the new credo of conservative Christianity.

    Not at all.

  206. C.L.

    Donald J. Trump✔@realDonaldTrump
    Democrat Governor Ralph Northam of Virginia just stated, “I believe that I am not either of the people in that photo.” This was 24 hours after apologizing for appearing in the picture and after making the most horrible statement on “super” late term abortion. Unforgivable!

  207. JC

    NASA – Water Vapor Confirmed as Major Player in Climate Change

    Req

  208. cuckoo

    NASA – Water Vapor Confirmed as Major Player in Climate Change

    Coming soon: NASA confirms Gravity makes things fall down.

  209. Dave in Marybrook

    Just searching through the CSIRO website, looking for some info-
    Background picture on one page shows a hardbound book spine, “Meteorology 1880 -1888.”
    Is that one available to the BoM? They seem to regard post-Fed drought 1910 as year zero.

  210. Coming soon: NASA confirms Gravity makes things fall down.

    Hmm.
    Is that Hillary’s problem?

  211. C.L.

    Mary Poppins is literally Hitler …

    Mary Poppins branded racist by US academic – for ‘blacking up’ in iconic sweeps’ rooftop scene.

    The scene in which Poppins joins Dick Van Dyke’s Bert and his fellow sweeps on a rooftop for the song Step In Time is one of the best-loved moments in the 1964 Disney classic.

    But writing in the New York Times under the headline ‘Mary Poppins, and a Nanny’s Shameful Flirting With Blackface,’ Professor Daniel Pollack-Pelzner attacks the scene…

    ‘Her face gets covered with soot, but instead of wiping it off, she gamely powders her nose and cheeks and gets even blacker.’

    He also links the scene to racism in the books by PL Travers, particularly in the 1943 novel Mary Poppins Opens The Door when a housemaid screams at a sweep: ‘Don’t touch me, you black heathen.’

    He writes: ‘The 1964 film replays this racial panic in a farcical key. When the dark figures of the chimney sweeps Step in Time on a roof, a naval buffoon, Admiral Boom shouts, “We’re being attacked by Hottentots!” and orders his cannon to be fired at the “cheeky devils”.

  212. Not at all.

    LOL, comprehensive rebuttal.

  213. candy

    I don’t think Warringah has the same large “gay” vote.

    Hard to tell, Cassie. About 75% voted for SSM in Warringah, one of the highest figures in Australia.
    Actual statistics like that are indicative, I think.

    I see Alex Turnbull and Get-Up have started a campaign against Craig Kelly for Hughes now.
    So I think never ever underestimate the power of Get-Up or the money of the Turnbulls – in combination it looks very strong.

  214. stackja

    C.L.
    #2924313, posted on February 3, 2019 at 1:38 pm

    Will Black Coal and Brown Coal need to be renamed?

  215. Black Ball

    Marcus Harris would do well to leave the swinging ball outside off stump. No need to hit every ball to the boundary to dominate the bowlers FFS. Learning exactly what Paddy shot at from Pujara’s masterclass.

  216. egg_

    Coming soon: NASA confirms Gravity makes things fall down.

    Hmm.
    Is that Hillary’s problem?

    Depends.

  217. stackja

    candy
    #2924316, posted on February 3, 2019 at 1:44 pm

    2016 Census QuickStats
    Australia | New South Wales | Commonwealth Electoral Divisions
    Warringah Code CED143 (CED)

    Registered marital status
    People aged 15 years and over Warringah % Australia %
    Married 59,285 49.7 9,148,218 48.1
    Separated 2,693 2.3 608,059 3.2
    Divorced 10,145 8.5 1,626,890 8.5
    Widowed 5,182 4.3 985,204 5.2
    Never married 42,024 35.2 6,668,910 35.0
    Of people in Warringah (Commonwealth Electoral Divisions) aged 15 years and over, 49.7% were married and 10.8% were either divorced or separated.

    Occupation
    Employed people aged 15 years and over Warringah % Australia %
    Professionals 26,884 34.7 2,370,966 22.2
    Managers 16,255 21.0 1,390,047 13.0
    Clerical and Administrative Workers 9,683 12.5 1,449,681 13.6
    Community and Personal Service Workers 6,466 8.3 1,157,003 10.8
    Sales Workers 6,367 8.2 1,000,955 9.4
    Technicians and Trades Workers 6,228 8.0 1,447,414 13.5
    Labourers 2,827 3.6 1,011,520 9.5
    Machinery Operators and Drivers 1,404 1.8 670,106 6.3
    The most common occupations in Warringah (Commonwealth Electoral Divisions) included Professionals 34.7%, Managers 21.0%, Clerical and Administrative Workers 12.5%, Community and Personal Service Workers 8.3%, and Sales Workers 8.2%.

  218. egg_

    Kraut driver Dick Grippenhardt well placed to finish in the Bafffurst 12 Hour.

  219. Boambee John

    m0nty
    #2924314, posted on February 3, 2019 at 1:39 pm
    Not at all.

    LOL, comprehensive rebuttal.

    Moreso than some of yours.

    Pot meet kettle.

  220. 132andBush

    Is the bloke in the above clip from A.D constipated or have a UTI ?

  221. stackja

    Townsville 1 metre of rain.

  222. C.L.

    Who could have guessed this was going on?

    Climate Change chief John Gummer faces calls to quit over payments from ‘green businesses’ to his family firm.

    Tory peer John Selwyn Gummer’s private company has been paid more than £600,000 from ‘green’ businesses that stand to make millions from his advice to Ministers.

    The Conservative grandee heads the Government’s powerful Climate Change Committee that vigorously supports pumping billions of pounds in public subsidies into firms developing environmentally friendly technology.

    Yet a Mail on Sunday investigation has discovered that his family-run consultancy has been paid huge sums by businesses that have cashed in on those lucrative taxpayer-funded handouts.

  223. Rockdoctor

    Panic flight from Hunter Valley last night with 2 loavesof bread in backpack. Power off, generator getting a workout, water at bottom of street and was coming out of the storm drains. Well I have moaned about not getting rain in the past suppose this is one of those moments when one has to be careful what they wish for…

  224. Mark from Melbourne

    In what sane world does a serious Test Captain not enforce the follow-on when over 300 ahead, with day 4 looking to be washed out and with bowlers who trundled down less than 80 overs in the first dig?

    Could Australian cricket PLEASE forget the Laxman and co disaster, please?

  225. Leigh Lowe

    Geriatric Mayfly

    #2924259, posted on February 3, 2019 at 12:37 pm

    ….

    Clammy goes, and another Leftist femmo-whacko rears up. Much to my embarrassment I recall reading some of Traceeee’s bilge; the usual whining, moaning, victim’s variations on a theme.

    This is a very crowded market-place with and endless supply of potty-mouthed bints.
    Clammy will inevitably follow Catherine Deveny’s path to oblivion.
    Since being flicked by Fewfacts, Deveny has been reduced to selling “creative writing” workshops at heavily discounted rates and dispensing bile at off off off-Broadway comedy festival venues.

  226. NASA – Water Vapor Confirmed as Major Player in Climate Change

    AIRS is the first instrument to distinguish differences in the amount of water vapor at all altitudes within the troposphere. Using data from AIRS, the team observed how atmospheric water vapor reacted to shifts in surface temperatures between 2003 and 2008. By determining how humidity changed with surface temperature, the team could compute the average global strength of the water vapor feedback.

    This is for a five year period. How can you assert that you’ve proved change when you don’t know what normal looks like?

  227. This new climate scare NASA data is bait for Hark fish.
    Waiting waiting….

  228. Tel

    Whataboutism is only an informal fallacy. You have to show why, in this or that instance, it fails as an argument.

    It’s not a fallacy at all. If someone expects you to follow their rules … and they refuse to follow the same rules themselves then you can safely ignore them because they are in the business of making shit up when it suits them. If someone pretends to be interested in helping poor people but the things they do (like minimum wage for example) harm a lot of poor people then you can conclude that this person is a fraud (doubly so if they double-down and refuse to even look at evidence).

    Self-consistency is very difficult to achieve … but with a bit of judgement you can tell if the other guy is at least making an effort or not.

  229. John Constantine

    Their australian cricket board have millions invested in khawaja, and their social license to go to the right cocktail parties swings on him being captain for a decade.

    Gotta give the waleed of cricket time to bat back into form against a struggling attack.

    Banning australias two best batsmen was meant to transform ‘waleed-with-willow’ into the nations hero bedrock of the batting, like Border.

    Get woke, go broke.

  230. mh

    …Declaring “I am in charge of the banana messaging!”, she wrote a series of short phrases and decorated the fruit with hearts.

    It is not the first time the duchess has used bananas to send a message.

    Shortly after she began dating Prince Harry’s, she uploaded a photograph of two bananas ‘spooning’, …

    🍌🍌

  231. Confused Old Misfit

    Specifically, the team found that if Earth warms 1.8 degrees Fahrenheit, the associated increase in water vapor will trap an extra 2 Watts of energy per square meter (about 11 square feet).

    “That number may not sound like much, but add up all of that energy over the entire Earth surface and you find that water vapor is trapping a lot of energy,” Dessler said.

    Hmmm…deserts expire at the same rate as a lake?
    Half the earth is in darkness half of the time.
    A little more nuance and context please.

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