Monday Forum: February 4, 2019

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  1. Mark A

    I’ve never heard this phrase, you may have, I share it with you anyway.

    You can’t argue with invincible ignorance.

  2. Mark A

    and top of page too, Oh, bliss.

  3. Mitch M.

    You can’t argue with invincible ignorance.

    I prefer Mark Twain …

    Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience.

  4. jupes

    You can’t argue with invincible ignorance.

    You can and you can win if you remain focussed. However from that point on you will be ignored, de-friended or whatever they do these days.

  5. Mitch M.

    A group of English teachers is pushing for secondary students to study more books featuring same-sex attracted characters and queer relationships to better reflect sexual diversity in the wake of changes to marriage laws.

    Unfortunately we can’t argue with English teachers lest we descend to their level.

  6. Mark A

    jupes
    #2927200, posted on February 7, 2019 at 3:46 am

    You can’t argue with invincible ignorance.

    You can and you can win if you remain focussed. However from that point on you will be ignored, de-friended or whatever they do these days.

    Depends how you define ‘winning’, if they walk away beaten but unconvinced and de-friend you, then I don’t consider that as winning.

    Winning is, in my mind, when they see the error of their ways and concede with no hard feelings.

  7. Mark A

    PS, forgot to add, in religion, politics and diet it never happens.

  8. Mark A

    Now I go and listen to some Beethoven magic.

  9. jupes

    Winning is, in my mind, when they see the error of their ways and concede with no hard feelings.

    In that case they wouldn’t be invincibly ignorant.

    For those dickheads after you have smashed their arguments, they just never debate with you again. Dunno how they look at themselves in the mirror but they are happy to live in their bubble.

  10. Mark A

    jupes
    #2927208, posted on February 7, 2019 at 4:17 am

    In that case they wouldn’t be invincibly ignorant.

    You have point there.

    Not being one I projected, bad Mark, don’t do it again!

  11. Mark A

    And never forget to carry your towels with you.
    H/T the late D A

  12. Tom

    David Rowe’s Trump Derangement roars back to life for SOTU.

  13. Tom

    Peter Schrank (Basler Zeitung, Basle, Switzerland).

  14. jupes

    If I have shares in a bank or two does that make me a banker?

  15. RobK

    Thanks Tom. A good collection.

  16. bespoke

    Cheers Tom coffee toons then work

  17. Mark A

    bespoke
    #2927233, posted on February 7, 2019 at 5:20 am

    Cheers Tom coffee toons then work

    We are packing up here, ready to go home on Sat.
    Getting rid of junk.
    Not as easy as in OZ, you can’t just put it out on the nature strip.

  18. Zatara

    The debt for Trump is not an issue; the chinks and japan own most of it

    Actually, the Social Security Trust Fund owns most of it.

    The freaking Congress broke into the “Social Security Lockbox”, stole the money, and left nothing but an IOU. Which is why the Social Security is in such danger now. You can’t spend IOUs.

    So it’s even scarier than you thought for the US citizens.

  19. Notafan

    I think our progressive friends are more the ‘studied ingonrance’ types.

  20. calli

    Someone up thread mentioned Epping West Public School, its bloatation with immigrants and its Naplan score.

    The demographic is Chinese, the driving force is Tiger Mum. Many of these children recieve outside tuition to excell so they get into James Ruse or other selective schools. It’s also feeds Cheltenham Girls and Epping Boys.

    In this case, immigration of smart, driven students results in a generally positive outcome. If homegrown Aussies complain “they’re taking our places”, then wake up and try harder.

    For other immigration groups, aka desert hillbillies, the results are not so good. We need to be more selective. Our schools get it.

  21. calli

    receive

    Maybe I needed a Tiger Mum rather than being one (of the loundeye variety). 😀

  22. Mother Lode

    to better reflect sexual diversity in the wake of changes to marriage laws.

    Changing the marriage laws has not actually changed sexual diversity.

    In fact, it would appear sexual diversity was much exaggerated to sway people’s votes.

    Progressives are not sure if the want to be chickens or eggs – they just want to feel they are first.

  23. Notafan

    Given the proportion of homosexuals in the community, isn’t the current 2 out of 23 demonstrating an overrepresentation of gay relationships?

    Representations that are invariably dishonest, btw.

    Parents should be up in arms at any increased marketing of the promiscuous degenerate gay lifestyle that utterly rejects the proper understanding of the nature of marriage as faithful, monogamous, etc etc

    Catholic schools should be providing explicit instruction on the Catholic understand of the sacrament of marriage and the nature of the proper relationships between men and women. We have the materials, we should use them.

  24. Twostix

    In this case, immigration of smart, driven students results in a generally positive outcome. If homegrown Aussies complain “they’re taking our places”, then wake up and try harder.

    We prefer our children to have a childhood rather than be robotic ants.

  25. Notafan

    Here you are, Catholic teachers.

    Monty, you’re going to send your children to Catholic schools, you’d be keen for them to have a proper understanding of the nature of marriage

    casti connubi, I’ve linked before

  26. Baldrick

    Thanks Tom. Stiglich wins today.

  27. Notafan

    Good point Twostix

    Selective schools need to change their entry paths if rote learning is the current winning strategy.

  28. Notafan

    I’m not at all impressed with what I know, personally, about how the Chinese drive their children.
    Two hours of piano a days, regular beatings, no sports, no playing, no independence, or right to decide for yourself.

    Because it’s all about money and parental prestige.

  29. dover_beach

    Given the proportion of homosexuals in the community, isn’t the current 2 out of 23 demonstrating an overrepresentation of gay relationships?

    Indeed. This push by some English teachers is nothing more than a further attempt to smother children with LGBT propaganda.

  30. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    In this case, immigration of smart, driven students results in a generally positive outcome.

    Not sure how positive that’s going to work out if war breaks out with china.

  31. Cassie of Sydney

    A little over half an hour ago I posted this comment under The Australian’s article “Teachers push same-sex reading”

    “”A group of English teachers is pushing for secondary students to study more books featuring same-sex attracted characters and queer relationships to better reflect sexual diversity in the wake of changes to marriage laws.

    But……but….wasn’t changing marriage laws just about love…love…love? Weren’t we assured that nothing would change?

    Of course not….some of us…that is those of us who were smeared and vilified as “bigots”, “haters” and “homophobes”…knew full well that changing marriage laws in this country was just the beginning of something more sinister.

    “By queering the senior ­English sample text list in the Australian curriculum”

    Oh well Australia…don’t start complaining that you weren’t warned…..you were warned…by those horrible “bigots”, “haters” and “homophobes”. “

    It was rejected within 5 minutes. Obviously the university activist graduates are moderating at the moment. I immediately sent an email of complaint to the digital editor and the comment has now been accepted. I am not going to allow them to get away with this. You see, if we don’t complain we won’t get anywhere….everyday we, the majority, need to be activists too.

  32. Baldrick

    Leftards, if they’re not killing babies, they’re mocking African Americans …

    Ryan Saavedra ✔ @RealSaavedra
    BREAKING: Virginia Attorney General Mark Herring, a Democrat who is second in line to be governor after Justin Fairfax, says he wore blackface at a college party in 1980, deepening the state’s Democrat racism scandal

  33. Cassie of Sydney

    “Baldrick
    #2927272, posted on February 7, 2019 at 7:37 am
    Leftards, if they’re not killing babies, they’re mocking African Americans …

    Ryan Saavedra ✔ @RealSaavedra
    BREAKING: Virginia Attorney General Mark Herring, a Democrat who is second in line to be governor after Justin Fairfax, says he wore blackface at a college party in 1980, deepening the state’s Democrat racism scandal”

    Well….the Democrats…always was and always will be the party of the Klan.

  34. Top Ender

    Officials are investi­gating a report that child-sex ­offender Rolf Harris walked on to the grounds of a primary school and waved at pupils.

    The disgraced entertainer wandered into Oldfield Primary School near his home in Bray, Maidenhead, to talk to a sculptor working in the grounds, a British newspaper reported.

    Apparently he now lives around the corner.

    Tie your kangaroo down, sport!

  35. Mother Lode

    Rowe is in a pretty bad place.

    Made all the worse by the fact it is his usual place.

    I have heard Fauxfacts etc saying that Trump talks unity and immediately goes to division.

    First – the divisions were already there. It is just that the non-progressive side has been ignored and not reported. The ‘division’ comes from both sides being heard. Naturally, progressives see this as a bad thing.

    Secondly, Trump is the one who has spoken of meeting and reaching a compromise with the DemoKKKrats regarding the wall. He is also the one that ended the Shut Down that the Dims were happy to see it drag on (although there must have been a moment of doubt when they could not get the Air Force to fly them to European cocktail parties).

    The Dems are intransigent. And then you have bobble-eyed loons like AOC who voted against paying Federal Workers because some of the ones who would be paid were ICE workers – whom she wants shut down.

    But they say Trump is the divisive one.

  36. OldOzzie

    Thanks Tom

    Australian today – Chris “Roy” Taylor.

    with

    Gary Garvel summing up President Trump’s SOTU Superbly – Trump did hit it out of the Ballpark

  37. calli

    Triggered!

    Of course children have to have a childhood. They also need to apply themselves to their studies. Competition for places comes at a cost, and perhaps that cost is too high to impose on children. If so, change the rules for entry (a bit hard when entry is based on academic scores). We don’t want our selective schools to become like Harvard who artificially lower Asian scores because “diversity”.

    Parking children in front of various devices is just as bad as Ultra Tiger Mumming. With fewer rewards for the child.

    Confession: I never beat my children, but I did expect them to practise their piano, learn their tables and do their chores for pocket money. 😀

  38. Leigh Lowe

    BREAKING: Virginia Attorney General Mark Herring, a Democrat who is second in line to be governor after Justin Fairfax, says he wore blackface at a college party in 1980, deepening the state’s Democrat racism scandal”

    What we got here, folks, is a full-on minstrel show.

  39. calli

    You see, if we don’t complain we won’t get anywhere….everyday we, the majority, need to be activists too.

    Good work Cassie.

    These child moderators need to be taught too.

  40. Mother Lode

    Representations that are invariably dishonest, btw.

    Everyone is scared of saying such a thing. There is not a single institution that will defend their even saying it.

    The ABC is useless of course. The MSM is ignorant and malign. The government is filled with people who dance to the media’s tune.

    Even the caveat the saying that even if it is 2% and not 10% does not affect the validity of the sexuality of the 2%.

    A 10% demographic is more useful than a 2% one.

  41. Snoopy

    Selective schools need to change their entry paths if rote learning is the current winning strategy.

    If they change, they’ll change to the med school model. Diversity and social justice worrying will be as important as academic results. No thanks.

  42. Snoopy

    But they say Trump is the divisive one.

    No. They say Trump is the diviSSive one.

  43. Old School Conservative

    calli
    #2927247, posted on February 7, 2019 at 6:31 am
    In this case, immigration of smart, driven students results in a generally positive outcome. If homegrown Aussies complain “they’re taking our places”, then wake up and try harder.

    A supporting anecdote.
    I walked in to my local Chinese restaurant last night for some take away.
    One of the young Chinese waitresses had taken an empty table, spread out her physics text books, notes and working papers and was writing her work in between serving customers.
    I don’t think I could have done that back in the day.

  44. struth

    So obviously a family business OSC?

    If she was employed by me she wouldn’t be idle in between customers.
    She’d be cleaning!

  45. stackja

    Childcare costs surge forcing Sydney parents to pay up to $200 a day
    Danielle Le Messurier, Exclusive, The Daily Telegraph
    February 7, 2019 12:00am
    Subscriber only

    Red-tape, soaring lease costs and staff-child ratios have pushed childcare prices through the roof in Sydney where some families are paying as much as a staggering $200 a day.

    This is partly due to punishing lease costs which are linked to the number of licenced childcare places in a centre not how many children are attending, as well as having to maintain a base number of staff to care for children.

    NSW is the only state that requires centres to employ up to four degree-qualified teachers compared to up to one degree-qualified teacher for the same number of kids in all other Australian jurisdictions.

  46. Tel

    One of the young Chinese waitresses had taken an empty table, spread out her physics text books, notes and working papers and was writing her work in between serving customers.

    Great to see young people interested in learning real science, but honestly how many jobs in Australia involve any Physics?

  47. Bruce of Newcastle

    Child care staff should all have to have PhDs plus diplomas of education.
    And medical degrees, just in case.
    Should there be three carers per child, or four?
    I think a $50 million study should be done to answer this question.

  48. hzhousewife

    Great to see young people interested in learning real science, but honestly how many jobs in Australia involve any Physics?

    Basic physics helps quite a lot when trying to get one’s head around windmills and sunshine, but what the hey, who cares about physics when the planet is dying/sarc. It isn’t all about jobs.

  49. struth

    In this case, immigration of smart, driven students results in a generally positive outcome.

    Are you saying immigrant children are smarter than our own?

    Do we need to import higher IQ’s?

    Interesting.
    You’re quite rightly stating that culture plays a part in the success of these Chinese students.
    There’s is a very status driven society and much of it is wealth related.
    But I ask you to maybe consider why our kids fail in comparison and we work on fixing that.
    The best solution isn’t to import when ours are failing, but to fix ours up.
    That sort of thinking would have me say, well, Australian women are mostly ugly fat tattooed foul mouth dumbos and are a loss to us.
    Let’s import some Russian/ Ukraine women.

    Shouldn’t we be looking at fixing our own first?

    Let’s face it, the Chinese aren’t told every day in school just how disgusting they are.
    Our white kids are completely discriminated against, told they and their culture is shit, and many of them are feeling very poorly about themselves because they have a tallywhacker, where obviously at moot should be.
    Their ancestors were murdering racists bastards and they have that blood flowing through them that must be purged.

    When a Chinese child is born it grows up knowing it is a superior human and superior to all other races.
    Asians are the most racist people on earth generally.
    It , and the parents have to live up to this, not down to a Marxist view of your repulsive skin colour.
    It all starts in our schools for sure.

    We should be looking at fixing our schools, not importing brains that are born of a superiority complex with no real love of this country.
    They are no more intelligent, and no less intelligent, the Chinese are so superior to you, they let you do what you like and never mention it, and they aren’t motivated by patriotism to a racially inferior country.

    We need a little more of a superiority complex ourselves, one that would actually be based in the truth more than theirs.

  50. struth

    Theirs ………….of course.
    First coffee not finished yet.
    Thank god I’m not Chinese, I would have dishonoured the family.

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