Monday Forum: February 4, 2019

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  1. Nelson Kidd-Players

    Just sitting here…

  2. Nelson Kidd-Players

    Just like that.

  3. C.L.

    I have to assume Shorten thought that ABC cameraman simply fell over.
    He looked amused.
    Not judging him, though; the bloke was attended to immediately by a swarm of people. No need to weigh in to such a scrum unless you’re a medico. As Bolt points out, however, no such rationality governed the judgments heaped on Sophie Mirabella.

  4. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Morning, all.

  5. Speedbox

    Podium. (‘cos discounted multiple entries).

  6. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Whoo hoo. Me too!

    Quick, the anti-Hark spray.
    Recall Baldrick’s instruction.
    We do not need rebarbative exchange with the likes of such trolls.

  7. DrBeauGan

    Arky
    #2924903, posted on February 4, 2019 at 11:15 am
    DrBeauGan
    #2924898, posted on February 4, 2019 at 11:07 am

    ..
    Bookmark the page then.

    Ah. You don’t reckon with my colossal laziness.

  8. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    I bet ya’s all fled to the dictionary there. 😀

  9. DrBeauGan

    We all know what rebarbative means. It’s a laxative.

  10. Pedro the Ignorant

    Morning, Cats.

    Arose this morning, looked around for the work boots and remembered that I don’t own a pair anymore.

    Tastefully clad in shorts, T shirt and thongs and sipping a morning coffee.

    Might watch the cricket for a couple of hours. . . . . . .

  11. Tom

    rebarbative

    I love words, so finding new ones is fun — even if I’ll never use them.

    Tip for aspiring writers: make finding synonym substitutes your No.1 sport.

  12. Eyrie

    Based on the major banks going up today, I’d say the fix is in on the Royal Commission Report to be released after market close today.

  13. DrBeauGan

    Water forms a benzene ring like structure. The ring is an OH-OH-OH- skeleton, with hydrogen bonds alternating with sigma bonds. The structure is especially stable as it can easily flip to HO-HO-HO- where the oxygen atoms give their hydrogen to the neighbour and hook up with the hydrogen atom of their other neighbour. That smooths out the electron wavefunction of the six bonding electrons into a single quantum state – which is what make benzene so stable.

    The other 3 hydrogen atoms stick out like the hydrogen atoms sticking out of the benzene structure.

    Because the bond angle is 107 degrees not 120 it means the hydrogen atoms are slightly above and below the flat plane of the hexagon.

    What’s a sigma bond, BoN?

  14. stackja

    Samuel Taylor Coleridge — ‘Water, water, everywhere,And all the boards did shrink;Water, water, everywhere,Nor any drop to drink.’

    Latest News Published by Townsville City Council
    For general council news visit here
    Council will resume rubbish collections today
    Published on 04/02/2019 10:12
    Updated Magnetic Island Ferry Services
    Published on 04/02/2019 09:45
    Townsville residents urged to conserve water
    Residents across the community are being urged to conserve water.

    The flooding has caused a number of burst pipes and put pressure on the Douglas Treatment Plant.

    Council crews are working hard to fix the issue but we do not know when it will be completed.

    Please try to avoid using washing machines, dishwashers and irrigation systems until further notice.

    For real time updates on this weather event please go to the Emergency Disaster Dashboard disaster.townsville.qld.gov.au

    Published on 04/02/2019 09:29

  15. cohenite

    Interesting conversation about snowflakes which of course are made by unicorns.

  16. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    We all know what rebarbative means. It’s a laxative.

    It actually comes from the French word ‘rebarber’, meaning an unpleasant interaction in a face-to-face manner – originally the concept was, as the etymology of ‘barber=beard’ suggests, a hostile male beard-to-beard interaction.

    I don’t have a beard (must be really funny to be the owner of things growing on your face) so I will dip out now of any rebarbative interaction with the silly heaven-sent troll of indeterminate sex (probably beardless too, so all Cats are let off the rebarbative hook re Harkie). Struth put it well on ye aulde threade, he’s a silly young leftie whom only life can teach otherwise. Ignore. Go bother a trannie festival, Harken.

    Anyway, I am busy today. See y’all.

  17. DrBeauGan

    What’s a sigma bond, BoN?

    I’ve googled it. I still don’t see the shape clearly, but I can believe a deformed hexagon.

  18. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Ha. And never forget. The barbarians are coming.

  19. Hay Stockard

    The noisome troll is still on the old thread. Ho hum. What a shame never mind.

  20. C.L.

    It was one of the most stupendously situated and beautiful cities in history …
    Then it became the City of Leftists …
    San Francisco Has More Drug Addicts Than Public High School Students, Health Dept Survey finds.

    There are about 24,500 injection drug users in San Francisco — that’s about 8,500 more people than the nearly 16,000 students enrolled in San Francisco Unified School District’s 15 high schools

    Meanwhile, in its leftist sister city, LA – a once-sparkling star of modernity, commerce and hope …
    Typhus Epidemic Worsens in Los Angeles.

  21. cohenite

    From a group called Energy in Australia:

    It was announced last week that 66 private investors have stepped forward to invest in the construction of brand new “firm” energy generation.

    This welcome news comes following a month of disastrous blackouts and spiraling electricity costs which plagued south-eastern Australia. It was revealed this week that these very same blackouts cost South Australia and Victoria up to $1.1 billion.

    This is our opportunity to place downward pressure on power prices and restore much needed stability to our energy grid.

    Studies have shown that “a new Australian coal plant would produce electricity at about $50 a megawatt hour. A new wind farm can produce electricity, at best, at $110/MWh… Solar is about twice the cost of wind.” We need a new HELE coal fired power station.

    It is up to regular Australians to tell our pollies that we demand cheaper energy. If you have a moment to call your local talk back radio station or email a letter to your local paper, you can find the details below:

    Radio

    Alan Jones – 5:30am – 9am call on 131 873
    Ray Hadley – 9am – 12pm call on 131 873
    Ben Fordham – 3pm – 6pm call on 131 873
    Neil Mitchell – 8:30am – 12pm contact here

    Newspapers:

    Daily Telegraph – submit a letter here.
    Herald Sun – submit a letter here.
    Advertiser – submit a letter here.
    West Australian – submit a letter here.
    Courier Mail – submit a letter to the here.
    Townsville Bulletin – submit a letter here.
    Gold Coast Bulletin – submit a letter here.
    Newcastle Herald – submit a letter here.
    The Land – submit a letter here.
    The Australian – submit a letter here.
    AFR – submit a letter here.

    Australians cannot let this opportunity slide. Let’s come together to demand cheaper energy for all Australians.

    Warm regards
    Matt McEachan

  22. C.L.

    These volumes are staggering:

    The opening of the floodgates at Townsville’s Ross River Dam released 1,900 cubic metres of water per second.

    The dam level is slowly falling, recorded at 234 per cent capacity at 8:00am on Monday, down from a peak of 244.8 per cent at 2:00am.

  23. Bogey. I know a little about crystal formation.
    Having watched the crystal growth of thousands of compounds, I have made the following observations.
    Sublimation (e.g. snow formation), skipping the liquid phase is magical to watch. A real specialty.
    I might add that H2O is an exceptional compound.
    Ambient temperatures, cooling rates, atmospheric content, solvent, container size, concentration – all potentially change the type of crystal being formed. For example a change of solvent may result in polygon “plates” instead of needles.
    Crystal shapes I have seen in organic compounds include hexagons, cubes, balls, needles, “fur” (like mould), fuzzy balls, circular plates, diamond shapes, tubes, cylinders and others. Some are very 2D some 3D.
    Repeating a crystallization method does not guarantee the same crystallization result unless one is dealing with simple compounds e.g. H2O

    Why is this so? Bogey asks.

    I don’t know. It’s magic.

  24. Beaugy I posted some info on crystal formation and its in moderation, believe it or not.
    No idea what the offending word might be.

  25. cohenite

    Roy Spencer and John Christy got sick of hearing about AGW causing the polar vortex to weaken, so Christy did a graph of average number of cold waves in the US going back to 1895, only to show that the number is decreasing pretty clearly.

    I’ve addressed this already but being a troll you just wait and repeat the same shit. Polar oscillation is real; when one pole warms the other cools; the Antarctic is cooling. This is to do with axis tilt and Milankovitch cycles.

  26. Bruce of Newcastle

    What’s a sigma bond, BoN?

    Sigma bonds use s orbitals. Pi bonds use p orbitals.

    A hydrogen bond is formed by an oxygen atom donating two electrons from its full 2p orbital to an empty hydrogen antibonding orbital. Its other two p shell electrons are donated one each with single electrons from two hydrogen atoms to produce two sigma bonds.

    Oxygen has electronic structure [He] 2s2 2p4. It wants 2 more electrons to close its 2p shell, which gives a neon electronic structure, which is especially stable. So it shares two electrons from hydrogen atoms, who in turn borrow an electron each from the oxygen to nominally give the hydrogens a helium electronic structure, which is again very stable. Sort of like chemical sex.

    I haven’t done physical or theoretical chemistry since uni Dr B, so pls read up on it all.

  27. Bruce of Newcastle

    Hark! Well, this seems ironic – Roy Spencer and John Christy got sick of hearing about AGW causing the polar vortex to weaken, so Christy did a graph of average number of cold waves in the US going back to 1895, only to show that the number is decreasing pretty clearly.

    That’s very good Hark.

    You’ve just proved that global warming causes fewer polar vortex outbreaks (along with fewer cyclones and tornadoes), which is exactly the opposite of what the climateers have excitably been saying about this polar vortex outbreak.

    Which means global warming causes an excess of nice weather. We therefore should pursue more global warming.

  28. Lysander

    meant to be d-day today for a name I cannot mention here.

  29. Bruce of Newcastle

    But don’t mind me, I’m only a “graph squinter”.

  30. Baldrick

    Harken Now enjoys cruising on the Ablution of the Seas, dining at McDonald’s and Krispy Kreme, buying over-priced Veuve Tailhan Blanc de Blancs Brut, talking about itself in the third person, shopping at Aldi, compare results with his fitness competitors on his VivoFit2 and rescuing critters from his pool with a safety ramp.
    Harken also enjoys skinning live animals, mutilating backpackers and writing to Ivan Millat.
    He’s known to adopt multiple personalities, wearing his mother’s skin as a dress and be an all-round Troll.

    If you think this is the type of person you’d like to converse with, then go right ahead.
    Or alternatively, use the scroll function.

    Thought you would all be interested. Thank me later. 😉

  31. Cohenite;
    “Cohenite:
    I don’t give a fig really about you, it’s a blog where I find it useful to talk about the issues which concern me.”

    Nicely put, Cohenite.
    Onya, mate.
    Oh, and here’s a short video on trimming and milling a cedar log.

  32. John Constantine

    Article in the australian about WLD wellard, that the company all but calls an inept hatchet job.

    The brand new cutting edge worlds best practise livestock export boats run by wellard, in competition with the cut price death barges, owned by sheiks and staffed by the worlds cheapest peasants, are having a struggle.

    Credit tightening, or whatever reason sees the CBA not renewing one of wellards credit facilities, but the company has already disclosed this.

    The company is under pressure, but not going underwater yet [ imo]

    Watching , but not holding.

  33. zyconoclast

    ISRA3L BEGINS CONSTRUCTION OF SMART FENCE ALONG GAZA BORDER

    “On Thursday, we began working on the final component of the barrier project along the Gaza border,” said Brig.-Gen. Eran Ophir, head of the army’s fence-building administration. “The barrier is unique and especially suited to threats from the Gaza Strip and will provide a maximum response to prevent entry into Isra3li territory.”

    The new barrier will be 65 kilometers long, stretching along the route of the border from the new sea barrier near Zikim beach in the north to Kerem Shal0m crossing in the south. Made from galvanized steel, it will weigh about 20,000 tons and will reach a height of about six meters.

    The project is being carried out by the Defense Ministry’s Engineering and Construction Department and the Border and Sewage Administration.

  34. Border and Sewage Administration

    No comment. Yet.

  35. Bruce of Newcastle

    Care to post the same graph for the same part of the Northern Hemisphere?

    Hark – It follows the ~60 year cycle. The AMO has plateaued since the turn of the century, so has HadCRUT NH. As you can see from the last AMO cycle the drop is a precipitous and the rise was.

    The difference between this cycle and the last one is the solar component was rising – that increased HadCRUT’s rise, since it contributes about half, and the cycle the other half. Now the Sun has gone into a funk the solar component will likewise reverse course.

  36. Bruce of Newcastle

    As I said I’m just a graph squinter. Maybe I should invest in wool though. And central heating.

  37. cohenite

    Thanks Winston.

    Care to post the same graph for the same part of the Northern Hemisphere? Because the warming there blows your slight cooling down south out of the water.

    Harken farken the question as I put but obviously you were drooling, is this just polar oscillation; secondly are the current Arctic temperature historically unusual.

  38. Speedbox

    With regard to the release of water from the Ross River Dam in Townsville and the dam holding reaching ~230% of nominal capacity. (233,000Ml capacity; current volume 538,000Ml).

    The release of water via the spillway is to control that release as additional rainfall forecast would/could overwhelm the dam wall height and result in the uncontrolled release of water. There is no danger of the dam wall failing – but controlled release is preferable to the uncontrolled escape of floodwaters from the dam.

  39. thefrollickingmole

    Worth mentioning a cubic m of water is 1000kg of weight.
    So 1900 m2 per second is 1900t of weight crashing down.
    Dams are pretty awesome.

  40. C.L.

    Maybe a dumb question but we seem to have a few hydrographers on board …
    I understand the imposing costs of building dams but, that aside, why do we end up flushing these mega-downpours out to sea? Why can’t we have a state-wide system of dams to capture and store the liquid gold?

  41. Bruce of Newcastle

    Kim Jong Un congratulates the BBC propaganda section

    It gets even better (ie worse):

    BBC ‘begs’ MPs to help scrap free TV licence for elderly as it ‘pleads poverty’ (3 Feb)

    THE BBC has been accused of lobbying influential MPs for support in scrapping the free licence for over 75s. The free licence is enjoyed by more than four million households but the Government will stop funding it in 2020.

    There is no escape. You WILL watch the enlightened output of the BBC! And you will pay for it even if you don’t want to. Resistance is useless.

    The BBC must really envy the ABC, who doesn’t have to fart about with licences.

  42. Bruce of Newcastle

    Hark Bruce: I specifically acknowledged that the polar vortex thing is not considered definitely proved, but if you need to hear from the Blessed Michael Mann himself

    Michael Mann has a paper showing the ~60 year cycle has been in operation for more than a millennium in the paleodata.

    Furthermore the polar vortex event is due to the Sun. That is from similar paleodata.

    Add the two together son and you will get the picture.

  43. cohenite

    the IPCC has always acknowledged that some parts of the globe will benefit from a milder climate under AGW

    Bullshit harken farken; the IPCC and every alarmist acknowledges no benefit from warming; it’s wall to wall doom and gloom.

  44. struth

    I remember a time in Australia where the flooding of a Nth QLD town in the wet season would hardly be known about in the rest of Australia.

    Same with cyclones.
    Unless they were going to be catastrophic, they may have been mentioned on southern news bulletins during the weather.

    Cyclones are a normal part of Nth Qld life.
    So are towns flooding.
    Many people used to have, and still do, great contingency plans to get their specialised equipment from work shops to higher ground, and many businesses go and put their gear at the same spot.
    She sheds go under in the low industrial areas and then they clean up and get back to it.
    The amount of housing that’s low brick homes going into low areas around Qld is staggering, even around here (Hervey bay area) as southerners escape the horror of an unpowered third world mussie controlled socialist shithole down south.

  45. struth

    Maybe a dumb question but we seem to have a few hydrographers on board …

    Not as dumb as the surf life saver who, while giving CPR to a near drowned Asian he recued at Bondi, exclaimed “I just can’t get all the water out of his lungs”
    He was pumping away at his chest when a hydrologist bystander said.
    Drag his arse out of the water.

  46. C.L.

    The amount of housing that’s low brick homes going into low areas around Qld is staggering

    Unbelievably dumb.
    Reminds me of the folklore of Aborigines making it known to early settlers in various northern towns that, ‘bro, don’t build here – it isn’t always this dry.’

  47. mh

    TOUCHDOWN! Patriots 10-3 Rams 7:00, 4th quarter
    Sony Michel is into the endzone! That’s a. real live touchdown play and at a huge moment in this game.

    Pats in pole position as we head down the stretch in Atlanta!

  48. thefrollickingmole

    RBG, Officiating gay r a p i s t s wedding since 2018…

    In 2014, Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg — who was in the Lawrence v. Texas majority — officiated at the ceremony in D.C. where opera singer David Daniels married conductor Scott Walters.

    Tuesday night, the couple were arrested in Michigan for extradition to Texas on charges that they ra p ed a man in Houston in 2010:

    A famous opera singer and his husband have been arrested on suspicion of ra pi ng a young singer who claims he was left bleeding from the rectum after blacking out at an after-show party with the pair in Texas, in 2010.
    David Daniels, 52, and his conductor husband Scott Walters, 37, were arrested in Michigan, where they live, on Tuesday night.
    They are being held in county jail and are awaiting extradition to Houston where they are accused of ra pi ng Samuel Schultz after a performance in 2010.
    Schultz came forward last August with his allegations, waiving his anonymity as the possible victim of a s e x crime to describe how the couple allegedly preyed on him.
    He reported his claims to the Houston Police Department at the same time.
    In his complaint, Schultz, who was 23 at the time, described how he rarely drinks but accepted a drink from Daniels once they got back to the home the couple was staying in.
    He said he ‘blacked out’ afterwards and came to the next day when he found himself in severe pain, alone in the house.
    ‘I was sore and I didn’t know why.
    ‘I made my way to the bathroom to figure out why I hurt. I was bleeding from my rectum.
    ‘I became numb. I was paralyzed with fear. What had happened?
    ‘How could I escape? How would I get out? Where were my clothes?’ ‘ he wrote.
    Daniels and Walters were out at breakfast at the time but when they returned, he claims Daniels told him they had had unprotected s e x.
    ”I remember David saying, “Don’t worry about the BB thing, I’m totally negative.”
    ‘BB in this case meant bareback, otherwise known as ra p ing me without a condom,’ Schultz wrote.
    He said he decided to report the pair to police after eight years because he was emboldened by the #MeToo movement.

  49. struth

    I’d love to see the media reaction to cyclone Tracy these days.
    Fharken would have the cyanide pills out………………………..

    Could you just imagine?

  50. Bruce of Newcastle

    The Left will need urgent access to JC’s hotline if Brady wins the Superbowl. The ululations will be earsplitting.

  51. CL:

    Why can’t we have a state-wide system of dams to capture and store the liquid gold?

    As an aside, Laverton in WA or was it Paraburdoo? has many, many mining pits in the area. So with a bit of pipe, a bit of landscaping and a bit of common sense, let one of the pits fill with water and they now have about a tenth of a cubic kilometer of fresh water to fulfill the towns needs.
    I think there were issues like pH of the water, chemical residues, presence of working tailing heaps, etc.
    But one was found satisfactory.
    Bloody cold to swim in, but!

  52. struth

    He said he decided to report the pair to police after eight years because he was emboldened by the #MeToo movement.

    Meeeeow, yes that’s what he said, me ow hurty bottom.

    Me have been raped up the choofa and ow, I never got the part in an opera or nuffing, so now I’ll be a real bitch.

    Eight years too late whore.

  53. C.L.

    In 2014, Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg — who was in the Lawrence v. Texas majority — officiated at the ceremony in D.C. where opera singer David Daniels married conductor Scott Walters.

    Tuesday night, the couple were arrested in Michigan for extradition to Texas on charges that they ra p ed a man in Houston in 2010:

    A famous opera singer and his husband have been arrested on suspicion of ra pi ng a young singer who claims he was left bleeding from the rectum after blacking out at an after-show party with the pair in Texas, in 2010.

    Judgement.
    What a horrid, idiotic woman.

  54. Mother Lode

    Fharken would have the cyanide pills out………………………..

    He’d be holding a child underwater with his foot on their chest, wildly gesticulating to any camera around, screaming that the tragic plight of a child (“See his desperate flailing – all to no avail?”) were proof of the need to spend more money on AGW research.

  55. C.L.

    And of course the Bruce is cut off at the Haughton River. FMD.
    Building a highway above flood-levels is just too hard for Australians, apparently.

  56. thefrollickingmole

    struth

    Probably, but consider this.
    Kavanaugh (the new Supreme Judge) was roasted over the coals for a less serious allegation which the accuser never even made a complaint to police.

    I dont think the left have had enough consequences for their actions, more stuff like this might see the moderates reign in the worst offenders.

  57. Shy Ted

    Private Shorten for a year. Soon it’s gonna be nothingisprivate Shorten for who knows how long.
    And another thing, I think the ABC hiring Clem Ford is a golden opportunity for the PM and /or Minister for Communications to stick the boot into the ABC good and proper. But they won’t.

  58. DrBeauGan

    Why is this so? Bogey asks.

    I don’t know. It’s magic.

    I’ve discovered a site by following Calli’s link and exploring a bit that goes into this. It’s all very beautiful stuff.

  59. stackja

    C.L.
    #2925006, posted on February 4, 2019 at 1:43 pm

    Judge’s long quest for equality under the law
    TROY LENNON [The Daily Telegraph]
    HISTORY EDITOR

    When a class of new students at Harvard Law school were addressed by the Dean Erwin N. Griswold in 1956 he aimed a pointed question at the nine women vastly outnumbered by the men. He asked them how they could justify taking the place of a man at the prestigious law school.

    Among those women was Ruth Bader Ginsburg, who never forgot the remark and would later testify before a Senate Judiciary Committee that Harvard imposed many “indignities” on women and hampered their efforts to break through barriers to their gender moving up in the profession.

    Ginsburg stuck it out at Harvard for a year but later moved to Columbia, where she would also later become a law professor. But the experience would shape a crucial part of her career, when she became a noted advocate on gender inequalities in the law. It would lead her to become the second woman appointed a US Supreme Court justice in 1993.

    She became a feminist icon and was dubbed a judicial “rock star” in documentary RBG last year. Now her story has inspired the film On The Basis Of Sex, opening in cinemas this week.

    Meanwhile:

    In an interview yesterday, Langdell Professor of Law Emeritus Erwin N. Griswold disagreed with Ginsburg’s assessment of his deanship and of the Law School’s attitude toward women in the 1950s. “I think she was dead wrong,” Griswold said.

    “I think she completely misunderstood it and should have known better,” he said.

    Griswold said that as dean of the law school, he had always favored admitting women. He said the school’s faculty had voted to admit women three times, beginning in 1890, but he said that the law faculty had been overruled by the Harvard Corporation.

    Griswold said that in asking for justification, he was playing devil’s advocate and trying to get justification for his own beliefs that the women intended to become lawyers.

  60. Infidel Tiger

    Trump wins the Superbowl!

  61. struth

    No one has ever used lake Argyle for anyfink.
    With the spillway raised it only holds about a hundred Sydney Harbours (I can’t remember specifics but it’s heaps, and was well over 23 times the water of Sydney harbour before they raised the spillway.
    Little lake Kununnura does everything up there.
    Dem aboriginal polks and all dat corruption, she bein’ big time up there so they’ve got way more then allowed development requires.
    With land rights, there’s no land available in outback Australia.

    Do southerners really have any idea of the amount of water that falls on this continent every year?

    To accept water rationing in 2019 anywhere in this country is pure corrupt insanity.

    Pipelines work.
    CY O Conner proved it, and what comes away from Mannum in Sa etc are already thousands of Kilometres of pipe line without which Kalgoorlie and the gold fields and every where from Ceduna to Coober Pedy would not exist.
    Half of the outback exists due to pipelines and yet we can’t connect those pipelines up to the big rain fall areas?
    The Fitzroy in the wet puts out to sea tens of thousands of Cubic metres per second, alone.
    From Carnarvon to Brisvegas , the top part of Australia puts out thousands of times what we could ever need, to the sea.
    Anyone who thinks piping it down south would not work is completely full of shit.
    We are piping water now, from little supplies like the Murray and Mundaring Weir for thousands of kilometres now.
    They’re just lying bum bums.

  62. thefrollickingmole

    I didnt know this existed.
    https://www.city-journal.org/elizabeth-warren-wealth-tax

    The Founders worried that Congress might use the relatively dangerous direct taxes as everyday revenue-raisers. To prevent abuse, the Constitution requires apportioning a direct tax among the states based on population: regardless of how the tax base is distributed across the country, taxpayers in each state in the aggregate must pay tax in proportion to their state’s share of the national population.


    Suppose Warren’s wealth tax had to be apportioned. Imagine two states—one rich, one poor—each having a population of, say, 2 million. Despite the disparity in wealth, the tax collected from the two states must be the same. To make the numbers work, either tax rates would have to be higher in the poorer state than in the richer one, or some other absurd mechanism would have to be used.

  63. stackja

    Angry retirees jeer Labor’s policy of axing refunds for share tax credits
    Matthew Benns, Editor-At-Large, The Daily Telegraph
    an hour ago
    Subscriber only

    Angry retirees and financial planners from the bell weather seat of Eden Monaro today jeered and booed attempts to explain Labor’s policy on axing refunds for share tax credits.

    More than 150 people attended the parliamentary standing committee hearing on the impact of plans to axe franking credits on shares at the Merimbula RSL club on the NSW South Coast today.

    “What we object to is the arbitrary decision by the Labor leader to make a quick tax grab,” retiree John Stevens told the inquiry.

    Retiree Jonathon Gaul said “retirement incomes will be ransacked by Bill Shorten’s proposal to remove refunds for franking credits.”

    He stands to lose $6000 from his $47,700 income if the credits are axed and described the Labor policy as “a death tax” that would prevent him from leaving any inheritance for his three children.

    The hearing’s deputy chair, Labor MP Matt Thistlethwaite, asked him “where does it say we should be passing on money to our kids?”

    I am talking about the real world sir,” said Mr Gaul to cheers from the audience. He went on to explain that he needed to maintain his income to balance funds up to his death.

    “If you can tell me when I am going to die you are a better man than me,” he said.

    Mr Thistlethwaite has said he will complain to parliament about the Liberal party using the tax payer funded platform to “lobby and recruit” for the party.

  64. Speedbox

    thefrollickingmole
    #2924990, posted on February 4, 2019 at 1:17 pm

    I have seen photos of the after effect of the water release from Wivenhoe Dam in 2011 and the boulders shifted by the water volume/pressure were HUGE. One photo shows a large excavator with rock breaking attachment alongside an enormous boulder. In the photo, using the excavator for scale, the boulder was about 8 metres long and about 5 metres high. There was no other photo to show width but it was a serious piece of rock! The excavator actually looked puny by comparison.

    That rock, and others of comparable size, had been tossed around like pebbles.

  65. struth

    Building a highway is just too hard for Australians, apparently.

    FIFY

  66. Fred

    Australia and the US should provide military aid to the Brexiters. And apply sanctions to all British MPs.

    The people voted to leave fair and square, and an authoritarian government is ignoring the wishes of the people.

  67. Bruce of Newcastle

    Yes!!!

    The Left Melts Down After New England Patriot Super Bowl Victory (ZH)

    This has to be the most butthurt genre of people in history — politicizing everything and losing badly too, almost on a continuous basis. The left went apoplectic last night after the New England Patriots rallied from behind and defeated the Atlanta Falcons, under the auspices of the best quarterback to ever live, who also happens to be one of Trump’s biggest supporters. Life for the dispirited left has been nothing but anguish and unimaginable misery since Trump defeated Clinton. Their inability to cope, coupled with their lack of forbearance, have led them down a path of seemingly unending forays in public humiliation. In the event you’re not tired of seeing snowflakes melt, I’ve gone through the trouble of procuring some of the better public meltdowns on Twitter last night, as the Trump train rallied and ran through the coxcombs rooting for the Falcons, due to political beliefs.

    Oh wait, that was from two years ago.
    Easily fixed. Just change the date to 3 Feb 2019 and replace “Falcons” by “Rams”. 😀

  68. Tom

    Trump wins the Superbowl!

    Better still, he whupped California’s ass — just like he did in the Electoral Collage.

  69. stackja

    Sex condition for accused Qld murderer
    Warren Barnsley, Australian Associated Press
    33 minutes ago

    A Gold Coast man accused of throwing a cheerleader off a balcony will be required to inform anyone he intends to begin sexual relations with of his bail conditions.

    Jayden Moorea, 45, is set to be granted bail after being charged last month with murdering 21-year-old Breeana Robinson.

    She died after she plunged from the 11th floor of a luxury Southport apartment in 2013.

    Despite prosecution concerns he is a flight risk, could reoffend or interfere with witnesses, judge Debra Mullins has indicated she would deal with this by strict conditions.

    2GB reports bail granted.

  70. stackja

    Sex condition for accused Qld murderer
    Warren Barnsley, Australian Associated Press
    33 minutes ago

  71. struth

    I dont think the left have had enough consequences for their actions, more stuff like this might see the moderates reign in the worst offenders.

    I here ya, but reporting rape eight years later should be the crime here.
    How many others may have been raped after him, because he didn’t go straight to the police and bend over, saying have a look at this, it’s fucked.

    The left won’t rearrange this just because a few on their side cop a bit of friendly fire.
    This is a war to them.

    If you don’t report violent crime immediately you should at least be held as an accomplice to the next violent crime undertaken by your attacker.

    He wasn’t emboldened by the me too movement.
    He wasn’t scared of the two poofs.
    And even if he was, that’s not a good enough reason.
    He was scared of what they could do to his career.
    Not good enough.

  72. C.L.

    To accept water rationing in 2019 anywhere in this country is pure corrupt insanity.

    That’s why I propose a necklace of dams throughout the country, capable of storing and piping oceans of water everywhere.
    Why not?

  73. stackja

    2GB reports bail granted to accused murderer

  74. JC

    cohenite
    #2924963, posted on February 4, 2019 at 12:40 pm

    Roy Spencer and John Christy got sick of hearing about AGW causing the polar vortex to weaken, so Christy did a graph of average number of cold waves in the US going back to 1895, only to show that the number is decreasing pretty clearly.

    I’ve addressed this already but being a troll you just wait and repeat the same shit. Polar oscillation is real; when one pole warms the other cools; the Antarctic is cooling. This is to do with axis tilt and Milankovitch cycles.

    Who needs Roy Spencer when Cronkite is alive and breathing.
    In Harksie’s link, Roy Spencer offer his opinion on the polar vortex being caused by gerbiling.

    Spencer

    Now, I suppose that Arctic sea ice decline could have some influence. But weather is immensely complex. Cause and effect is often difficult to ascertain.

    At a minimum we should demand good observational support for any specific claim. In this case I would say that the connection between Eastern U.S. cold waves and Arctic sea ice is speculative, at best.

    Just like most theories of climate change.

    Too humble says, Cronkite as he’s addressed it. It’s the John Malkovich cyclesmtyat’s doing it.

  75. Mother Lode

    Better still, he whupped California’s ass — just like he did in the Electoral Collage.

    Did the Rams scatter dead people in jerseys all over their end of the field to make it harder to get through, and have non-players streaming over the lines for an extra advantage?

    We await their complaints that they should have won because they passed the ball more times.

  76. JC

    C.L.
    #2925035, posted on February 4, 2019 at 2:16 pm

    To accept water rationing in 2019 anywhere in this country is pure corrupt insanity.

    That’s why I propose a necklace of dams throughout the country, capable of storing and piping oceans of water everywhere.
    Why not?

    What’s the cost? We already have sunk costs for those useless desal plants. That money has already been wasted and no hope getting it back. We wee need to know are the cost of building these dams, life usefulness set up against those desal plants which have already cost us upwards of $10 billion nationally.

  77. stackja

    C.L.
    #2925035, posted on February 4, 2019 at 2:16 pm
    To accept water rationing in 2019 anywhere in this country is pure corrupt insanity.

    That’s why I propose a necklace of dams throughout the country, capable of storing and piping oceans of water everywhere.
    Why not?

    ‘Why not?’ Will upset urban Greens and ALP needs them.

  78. Tintarella di Luna

    Why Is There A War On Cheerleaders?

    You only have to look at the who that’s started the war to know the why

  79. struth

    What’s the cost? We already have sunk costs for those useless desal plants. That money has already been wasted and no hope getting it back. We wee need to know are the cost of building these dams, life usefulness set up against those desal plants which have already cost us upwards of $10 billion nationally.

    The desal plants were an absolute waste of money to be sure.
    The pipeline cost is like asking about the cost of the snowy scheme.
    It’s infrastructure that will be paid back in spades due to the increase in wealth to this country it would bring.
    Like the cost of the freeway system in the states.
    It’d be cheaper water than irrigators get now, when they are allowed to have it.
    Think country on this one, JC.
    Totally worth every cent.

  80. Leigh Lowe

    Will the LA Rams boycott the traditional post Superbowl visit to the White House?
    I think they just might.
    Take that Donald!!!

  81. Infidel Tiger

    Christina

    @Catuchee
    Follow Follow @Catuchee

    Just heard a child in a Los Angeles Target SCREAM a blood curdling “I hate you, I’ll kill you!” and their parent goes “I hear you and appreciate your spirit” and I simply cannot wrap my head around this fucking city

  82. JC

    The desal plants were an absolute waste of money to be sure.

    Of course, but that money has gone now and those contraptions are still there waiting to be used.

  83. Infidel Tiger

    Brady and Trump are total winners who bang super models and own libs 24/7.

  84. Infidel Tiger

    The desal plants were an absolute waste of money to be sure.

    Not in WA.

    Ours gets a full work out.

  85. JC

    Not in WA.

    Ours gets a full work out.

    Really?

    How frequently?

  86. Bruce of Newcastle

    Global warming news.

    Winter Is Wreaking Havoc On Electric Vehicles

    If there’s one thing electric vehicle owners are learning, it is that extremely cold temperatures are likely going to lead to frustration if they don’t take extra special care of their battery powered vehicles. Look at it as just another added benefit to “saving the world”.

    As we push through the cold that automakers are using as an excuse for poor sales this winter, customers of some companies – notably Tesla – are starting to realize that things are a little bit different with electric vehicles in the winter. Disgruntled owners of Model 3s have been widespread on social media and online forums, talking about numerous issues they’ve had with cold weather on their vehicles. People have complained about battery range draining and Model 3 door handles freezing up.

    A new report by Fortune highlights several Tesla owners pointing out their issues: “My biggest concern is the cold weather drained my battery 20 to 25 miles overnight and an extra five to ten miles on my drive to work. I paid $60,000 to not drain my battery so quickly,” said New Jersey based Model 3 owner Ronak Patel.

    Yay, greens discover the brutal world of chemical kinetics, where rates of reaction halve with each 10 degree decline in temperature. Doesn’t affect internal combustion engines…they operate at the same combustion temperature irrespective of the weather…

  87. C.L.

    Q&A returns tonight with a full house of seven leftists to ‘debate’ stuff:

    Tony Jones
    Julia Banks, Independent Member for Chisholm
    Andrew Wilkie, Independent Member for Denison
    Adam Bandt, Greens Member for Melbourne
    Kerryn Phelps, Independent Member for Wentworth
    Rebekha Sharkie, Centre Alliance Member for Mayo

  88. C.L.

    A full house of six leftists, rather.

  89. thefrollickingmole

    The hearing’s deputy chair, Labor MP Matt Thistlethwaite, asked him “where does it say we should be passing on money to our kids?”

    Matt needs to be told his children/family/wife/husband/beagle will be receiving nothing from his estate and will have to pony up front to get him buried.
    Also all his organs will be harvested for chook food.

    And if his family received a cent from anyones will he must pay it back now, going back 7 generations.

    Its only “fair”.

    Leaving money to your kids is doubleplusungood .

  90. Bruce of Newcastle

    Q&A returns tonight with a full house of seven leftists to ‘debate’ stuff

    They had a full set of lefties last week too.
    Looks like the ABC’s new year resolution is to leave off their fig leaf.
    They should change the Qanda music to the Internationale.

  91. Leigh Lowe

    Not in WA.

    Ours gets a full work out.

    Local artisan H2O.
    Can’t argue with that.

  92. Infidel Tiger

    Really?

    How frequently?

    24/7. It like Trump on a twitter bender. Perth used to have access to plenty of groundwater, but Gaia says that is now holy water and much never be used.

    In a righteous world we world have desal and nuclear plants up and down our coast line pumping the inland full of water and making Australia more lush than a hippy’s armpit.

  93. JC

    Bruce

    Very cold weather also plays havoc with regular petrol engines. There was an advisory not to let a fuel tank go below the halfway point in those states impacted by the big freeze brought on by the massive global warming we are experiencing.

    Truth is almost nothing works in that temp unless you provision for it.

  94. a happy little debunker

    Awaiting the following headlines to suggest even more evidence of Trump’s fascist, neo-Nazi tendency’s…

    Patriots to visit Whitehouse!

  95. Bruce of Newcastle

    Oops, my mistake.
    Qanda is only returning from their WEB for the first time tonight.
    Our taxes at work.

  96. JC

    24/7. It like Trump on a twitter bender. Perth used to have access to plenty of groundwater, but Gaia says that is now holy water and much never be used.

    In a righteous world we world have desal and nuclear plants up and down our coast line pumping the inland full of water and making Australia more lush than a hippy’s armpit.

    If there was no desal plant, Perth would have run very low since the thing was built?

  97. struth

    C.L.
    I think we’ve discussed this before, but I would think that lake Argyle would be enough water for the entirety of WA.
    Just that one dam.
    The pipeline is built to The goldfields, over relatively easy country, which can then reverse flow (it would be downhill, unlike CY O Conner who did it up hill ) and that would open up the country along it’s southern journey to the goldfields as well.
    One pipeline from argyle to the goldfields isn’t feasible, yet a train line that loses millions per year and propped up by taxpayers running North to south is?
    Priorities, I reckon.

    In QLD the ranges in from Emerald are far enough north to be a sure bet to fill one big dam over wet seasons and the pipe line south would be a god send along it’s length in land to existing pipelines and dams.
    Drought proofing Australia with two pipelines, but pork barrelling with French submarines and millions in donations to the UN, fast trains , (not as fast as planes to cart no body and no freight because we may as usual, be in drought or not social justice approved ag) and lets not forget windmills and other virtue signalling rot sabotaging Aus by billions, is more of a priority?

    If this isn’t all an orchestrated attack on Australia, tell me why we don’t have those “have shorter showers” ads anymore, while they now increase immigration levels to unprecedented numbers?
    Why do some causes get shot out the window at just the right time?

  98. C.L.

    Townsville bloke gives a video walk-thru as his house in inundated.
    Great stuff.

  99. Bruce of Newcastle

    Truth is almost nothing works in that temp unless you provision for it.

    I used to do experiments cooled by a bath of frozen ethanol JC.
    Which is at -114 C.

  100. Infidel Tiger

    SB Nation

    Verified account

    @SBNation
    Follow Follow @SBNation

    Tom Brady said ‘REAGAN’ to call an audible. It was a run to the right.

    What a superb team the Patriots are.

  101. Tom

    Australia beat Sri Lanka by 366 runs in the second Test in Canberra.

  102. JC

    C.L.
    I think we’ve discussed this before, but I would think that lake Argyle would be enough water for the entirety of WA.
    Just that one dam.

    One dam is a yuge, yuge mistake as Victoria is now aware. The Thompson is 80% of Melbourne’s water supply.

  103. struth

    Funny C.L.
    Did you note the new suburb, all brick ground level bungalows and your classic Australian wanker there being interviewed.
    He’s staying with friends in an older suburb that ain’t flooded.
    Whaddid we say yesterday?
    FMD.
    And how’s the ABC’s biblical quote?
    Maybe they should be the last heathens to quote the bible.

  104. JC

    I used to do experiments cooled by a bath of frozen ethanol JC.
    Which is at -114 C.

    No doubt Bruce, but a bath isn’t a car engine. If you’ve lived in potentially very cold afflicted places you’re generally told not to leave the gas tank close to empty. Also, from what I recall Canadians living on that iceberg covered their engines with some electric blanket type of thing when the car engine is off.

  105. JC

    Was this an accident?

    Normally there’s an escaped tit, or the anthem is sung in such a way as to be disrespectful.

    Super Bowl national anthem – Gladys Knight stuns crowds with soulful rendition of Star-Spangled Banner

  106. thefrollickingmole

    Disappointing.

    Donald Trump wants to keep US troops in Iraq, in order to “watch” Iran.

    The president made the comment in an interview given to CBS’ Face the Nation because the network is this year’s Super Bowl broadcaster. Despite the invasion of Iraq being “one of the greatest mistakes … that our country has ever made”, he said, he wanted to maintain a military presence.

    Asked if he wanted to strike Iran, Trump said: “No, because I want to be able to watch Iran. All I want to do is be able to watch. We have an unbelievable and expensive military base built in Iraq. It’s perfectly situated for looking at all over different parts of the troubled Middle East rather than pulling up.”

    He added: “We’re going to keep watching and we’re going to keep seeing and if there’s trouble, if somebody is looking to do nuclear weapons or other things, we’re going to know it before they do.”

    Effectively leaving hostages in place waiting for someone to take a shot at them.

  107. Zatara

    LA Rams Say They Might Skip Trump White House Visit if They Win the Super Bowl

    Mind you don’t trip over the schadenfreude while I say ….. Bwahahahahahahahahahahaha!

    The Trump curse strikes again.

  108. Truth is almost nothing works in that temp unless you provision for it.

    SD RAM – USB sticks, SD cards etc

    Most SD RAM craps itself at 0C to -5C.
    You can buy hardier stuff, but nobody does.

  109. Bruce of Newcastle

    One dam is a yuge, yuge mistake as Victoria is now aware. The Thompson is 80% of Melbourne’s water supply.

    It’s ok JC. They have a nice new pipeline for bringing water to Melbourne from the Murray.
    Memo to South Australia: maybe you need to do something before Dan the Man finds an excuse to turn it on again. Desal plants need this really expensive stuff called electricity.

  110. Nelson Kidd-Players

    JC, I remember Bolt used to go on and on about the need to put a dam on the Mitchell River in Gippsland. I think the gist of it was the ALP saying 2 billion for the dam was too much, but 30 billion for desal was okay.

    And the Mitchell flooded three times since.

  111. struth

    Of course, but that money has gone now and those contraptions are still there waiting to be used.

    You’re thinking emergency urban supply.
    If we had pipelines and therefore life outside of those cities was viable, you’d not be so overpopulated and never need to pay to turn them on.
    They are very costly to run with a relatively small output.
    Two wongs don’t make a wight!

    Your Victorian Dam is not built in the tropical North so yes, it’s absolutely ridiculous to put all hope in one dam.
    Whole different world.

  112. Confused Old Misfit

    Canadians living on that iceberg covered their engines with some electric blanket type of thing when the car engine is off.

    They have an electric blanket which wraps around the battery.
    A heating element and circulating pump fitted to the radiator.
    A heating element fitted to the oil sump.
    All of which fills a 15 amp circuit at 110 volts.
    Seven winters in Winnipeg, Manitoba where the temperature does not get above 0*C for three months of the year.

  113. None

    C.L.

    #2925067, posted on February 4, 2019 at 2:44 pm

    Townsville bloke gives a video walk-thru as his house in inundated.
    Great stuff.

    Great stuff? The word the gentleman used himself was “devastating”.

  114. I used to do experiments cooled by a bath of frozen ethanol JC.

    Pure enough to add to coca-cola?

  115. C.L.

    Yup, Struth.
    The video is of a modern, ground-level house.
    The women are on the plonk and the dogs are safe but everything they own has been destroyed.
    Olden-times northerners built on stilts – but what did they know?

    Re volumes from another system, I remember reading that ten Sydney Harbours roared out to sea in two weeks the last time the Fitzroy R. flooded.

  116. JC

    SD RAM – USB sticks, SD cards etc

    Most SD RAM craps itself at 0C to -5C.
    You can buy hardier stuff, but nobody does.

    Yes, nothing works in the cold brought on by the incredible amount of warming we’ve seen the past 100 years.

    Try this experiment from proof. Stick your hand in pot of b oiling water and I guarantee your hand comes out frozen solid.

  117. JC

    Seven winters in Winnipeg, Manitoba where the temperature does not get above 0*C for three months of the year.

    Why would you do that?

  118. JC

    This is pretty much true.

    Michael Moore says AOC is now the leader of Democrat party

  119. Zatara

    Townsville bloke gives a video walk-thru as his house in inundated.

    A petrol powered generator being run in an enclosed space, people walking about in flood water in bare feet, and my personal faves…. power extension cords casually suspended above that same flood water and refrigerators precariously perched on a table.

    This is a Darwin Award waiting to happen.

  120. struth

    Re volumes from another system, I remember reading that ten Sydney Harbours roared out to sea in two weeks the last time the Fitzroy R. flooded.

    It’s actually much more than that C.L.

    Funny, but that information used to be readily available but has disappeared, but alas, this getting to be old timer has it in my touring notes in my Library.
    I won’t be long and I shall hopefully be able to regale you with facts and figures we used to quote.

  121. Boambee John

    JC
    #2925048, posted on February 4, 2019 at 2:29 pm
    The desal plants were an absolute waste of money to be sure.

    Of course, but that money has gone now and those contraptions are still there waiting to be used.

    They need lots of electricity. The only adgantage I can see to running them would be demonstrating the utter impracticality of ruinables. We would have to switch all other industry to operate them full time.

    Still, maybe we could export the water to the Middle East instead of sheep?

  122. JC

    They need lots of electricity. The only adgantage I can see to running them would be demonstrating the utter impracticality of ruinables. We would have to switch all other industry to operate them full time.

    Good. 🙂

  123. Still, maybe we could export the water to the Middle East instead of sheep?

    Sand. Sand.
    Let’s sell them sand!

  124. Confused Old Misfit

    Why would you do that?

    I was paid to.
    And I was inside most of the time.
    But when I was not inside it was cold outside.
    But that was a very long time ago so gerbil moaning might not have started.

  125. Speedbox

    C.L.
    #2925035, posted on February 4, 2019 at 2:16 pm

    That’s why I propose a necklace of dams throughout the country, capable of storing and piping oceans of water everywhere. Why not?

    This has been looked at before and the short answer is: we can’t afford it*. All kind of schemes have been proposed – some dopey, some had merit, some could be considered ‘nation building’. But they all had something in common…..substantial cost.

    *As a long term project, the nation could afford it. But, we spend almost countless billions on useless projects year after year so there is no money left over.

    At full tilt, Australia’s terrestrial and aquatic food producers currently produce enough food for about 80 million people per year which is why Australia is one of the world’s largest food exporters. Unlike 131 other nations around the world who are net food importers.

    Due to the absence of reliable (or any) water, about 50% of Australia has no future as ‘agricultural’ land. In fact, only 6% of Australia is considered arable (World Bank, 2015). But, if the water supply could be assured, the potential future income from increased crop/food production could be very significant.

    The problem of how to pay for this at the expense of whittling back on the ‘pet’ projects, socially responsible (ie. climate change) programs, boondoggles such as NDIS, NBN, vastly expensive submarines and so on …..all with the support of the Greens, Labor, the media. Think you can get a politician interested? Good luck.

  126. JC

    I was paid to.

    Anything less than a couple of million dollars year and you wasted your life away. You need to pay someone at least $2million a year to live there. Hope you’re as wealthy as fuck.

  127. To top it off.
    I recall reading (somewhere) that the amount of Barium in the VIC desal water was higher than WHO recommended limits.
    Govt. said it would be ok because it would be diluted. Probably.

  128. Baldrick

    Pats win 13-3.

    The Bureau of Meteorology has homogenised and seasonally adjusted the score to better reflect the consensus and modelling. Rams win by 4 points.

  129. Confused Old Misfit

    Hope you’re as wealthy as fuck.

    I wish!

  130. Tel

    This has been looked at before and the short answer is: we can’t afford it.

    Look at the many Far Quit schemes we supposedly can afford, then get back to me.

  131. Zatara

    This has been looked at before and the short answer is: we can’t afford it

    If allowed to, one suspects that farmers would be only too happy to dig their own dams in order to trap run-off in the wet for irrigation and watering of animals in the dry.

    They are quite common in the agricultural areas of the US and contribute in a major way to flood control there.

  132. DrBeauGan

    BoN, following on from the questions about snowflakes, the internet site I tracked down (thanks, Calli) said that the reason for the D6 symmetry was that the factors determining where growth occurred was in the microenvironment of the snowflake, and not that one dendrite influenced its neighbours. This sounds unlikely a priori, but he has, by controlling the environment, grown two almost identical snowflakes. With video to prove it. It astonished me.

  133. struth

    I had down from my old notes that the Fitzroy catchment is 85, 000k2 and in the wet the river would fill the Serpentine dam from dead empty every (WA) every five hours.
    That’s every five hours non stop for months.
    The Serpentine dam can hold 137.7 million kilolitres.

    That’s one river.
    That’s not the Argyle dam.
    That’s not the

  134. Mark from Melbourne

    One dam is a yuge, yuge mistake as Victoria is now aware. The Thompson is 80% of Melbourne’s water supply.

    Not wishing to be pedantic JC, but the Thomson is a bit over 55% of Melbourne’s water storage capacity. And whilst building a big dam in what is essentially a rain shadow might seem to be not the brightest idea, if Bolte hadn’t built it we would have been dry multiple times since.

  135. Tel

    But, if the water supply could be assured, the potential future income from increased crop/food production could be very significant.

    It doesn’t even need to be assured, just available fairly often. If irrigation can be purchased on a percentage basis (we guarantee an average availability but not specific availability) then you will get good years and bad years but farmers are used to that … better than no years.

  136. Mark from Melbourne

    Any of our investor Cats now anything about a crew called Pearl Global (ASX: PG1)?

    Their technology looks interesting… they take shredded tyres and reduce them to oil, carbon, steel and gas.

  137. JC

    Oh okay, it looks like it’s about 59% of melbourne’s water. 1,068/1,812.

    Still, putting 60% of your eggs in one basket is risky.

  138. struth

    I must toodle off but again I state, I really don’t think people down south get just how huch rain falls on this country.
    If we were taken over by Isreal, or any other country just about, this would be a no brainer.

    The reason that mostly only cattle stations exist in the northern parts of Australia is precisely because there is too much water for most agriculture to have any chance.
    The lack of Mountain ranges of any real height means it’s referred to as dry tropics.
    The fact you can’t drive around most of the top end during four or five months a year should be some indication of just how much rain falls.

    It is a little of the reason people thought they could build in Townsville like they are now finding out they can’t and been hoodwinked.
    Townsville, due to it’s geography appears dry tropical.
    But it’s still tropical.
    This has ruined the lives of thousands of adventurist Aussies since settlement.

    The radical change in the countryside that may not have flooded in their little part of the world, and indeed been dry as a nun’s nasty during the dry, but one year, they cop it right in their area.
    It’s ruined many lives of early settlers, made South Australia hand back the NT to the Federal government, it just gets all too hard.
    This is and has always been a land of drought and flooding rains, especially up North.
    It’s the way it works.
    Too much, way too much , or not enough.
    We only need take a little of what falls on the North and they’d never even miss it.

  139. Zatara

    Oklahoma’s Upstream Flood Control Program

    Oklahoma leads the nation with 2,107 upstream flood control dams constructed under the USDA Watershed Program. Oklahoma’s conservation districts are primary watershed project sponsors. There are 129 watershed projects in 64 counties with dams in 121 watersheds in 61 counties providing $81 million in annual estimated benefits from reduced flood damages and other benefits.

    The savings in flood damage repair costs alone would quickly pay for the programs.

  140. duncanm

    Harken Now
    #2924960, posted on February 4, 2019 at 12:31 pm
    Hark! Well, this seems ironic – Roy Spencer and John Christy got sick of hearing about AGW causing the polar vortex to weaken, so Christy did a graph of average number of cold waves in the US going back to 1895, only to show that the number is decreasing pretty clearly.

    So, a win for “no polar vortex connection” is also a win for AGW is actually causing less cold waves after all!

    oops — all that decrease is 1895 to 1950.
    1950 to 2020 is flat of increasing.

    CO2 emissions skyrocketed after 1950.

    Now what was that you were saying again, Barkin’ ?

  141. Dr Fred Lenin

    JC ,they should check with Siberians they seem to know how to handle motors in extreme cold ,suppose they have to or everything shuts down for months . Saw on youtube a truck taking food and supplies a resonably short distance ,60 miles or so. It took days ,and of the crew of four two rode in the back of the truck, tough bastards. And a 70 year old lady who farmed alone and helped a neighbour with one leg ,how would our highly educated snowdrops fare there .?

  142. cohenite

    Senator Fraser Anning with another good article, this time about the Murray/Darling cock-up, mainly caused by prescribed environmental flows. Although I think he goes too easy on the greenies.

  143. DrBeauGan

    oops — all that decrease is 1895 to 1950.
    1950 to 2020 is flat of increasing.

    CO2 emissions skyrocketed after 1950.

    Now what was that you were saying again, Barkin’ ?

    Duncanm, that ought to shut up anyone interested in reality and truth. Betcha it will have no effect whatsoever on the angel.

  144. JC

    Anyone know what’s happened to Antony Lowenstein. I haven’t heard anything about him for years. I would have thought the Saturday Paper would have scooped him up.

    His wiki

    Nationality Australian German

    Antony Loewenstein (born 1974) is a Jewish, atheist, Australian German freelance, investigative journalist, author and political activist

    Isn’t that like being a Catholic atheist.

  145. struth

    Just talking about it renews my love for this country.
    It’s extremes.
    I used to take people around it in the dry, but you can’t explain the wet to them.
    The radical change.
    You might point to debri high in the trees from floods while the dust and flies of the dry choke you, or find yourself driving down the flooded Bruce Hyway in your jocks, wet through.
    Be chased by bushfires.
    Only the people have changed.
    And now, what made Australians what they were, dealing with extremes of climate is seen by the modern sooks as the end of the world.

    The Fharken sooks of this country racing about bawling about the normal state of affairs.

  146. JC

    Anyone know what’s happened to Antony Lowenstein. I haven’t heard anything about him for years. Possibly the biggest imbecile in the oz left and that’s saying something. I would have thought the Saturday Paper would have scooped him up.

    His wiki

    Nationality Australian German

    Antony Loewenstein (born 1974) is a J%wish, atheist, Australian German freelance, investigative journalist, author and political activist

    Isn’t that like being a Catholic atheist.

  147. JC

    cohenite
    #2925120, posted on February 4, 2019 at 3:49 pm

    Senator Fraser Anning with another good article, this time about the Murray/Darling cock-up, mainly caused by prescribed environmental flows. Although I think he goes too easy on the greenies.

    Does Blair Cottrell agree, Cronks?

  148. You might point to debri high in the trees from floods …

    Are there other countries with car parks (with trucks!) in the tree tops?

  149. JC

    Jeez their spineless, transparent wankers.

    Get a load of ANZ CEO, Shane Elliot wearing a yellow jacket, obviously out of fear of being run over by a pedestrian.

    On a day when most of the financial services sector will be focused on Commissioner Hayne’s royal commission recommendations, ANZ chief executive Shayne Elliot has hit the streets of Melbourne to sell copies of street magazine The Big Issue.

    It comes as part of The Big Issue’s CEO selling event, which will see banking execs from Westpac, Bank of Melbourne, Bank Australia and ME Bank becoming Big Issue vendors.

    On what was a busy Monday ahead of the release of the royal commission recommendations, Mr Elliot managed to sell out of the magazine in the half hour he’d carved out of his day to support the not-for-profit organisation.

  150. Speedbox

    Recall that the NBN was touted as a ‘nation building’ project. It has consumed tens of billions of dollars and will be completed just in time to compete with the rollout of 5G.

    But, in accordance with populist politics, the NBN was expected to (generally) deliver faster internet speeds than dial-up. Remember the TV ads saying how our lives will be transformed because of faster internet? Anyway, the NBN impacted almost all of the Australian populace whereas a national irrigation scheme will not be perceived as benefiting ‘many’ although the cost will be spread across the entire community. The only beneficiaries will be “the big construction firms and some farmers”. Of course, the jobs created, taxes paid and ultimate benefit to our food production/exports will be enormous but that will be lost in translation.

    Here at the Cat, we all know that the major political parties and their politicians are all about power – getting it and keeping it. This is translated into short term “bread and circuses” for the masses. Long term nation building projects are a very very distant second choice.

  151. cohenite

    Does Blair Cottrell agree

    You’d know head prefect since you mingle with all the best people.

    How are those Bendigo Bank shares going?

  152. cohenite

    In other news following the usual hysteria about hottest evah in January a comparison between the BoM temps for January and the UAH satellite temps over Australia show the opposite.

  153. JC

    Dunno how Bendigo share are running, Cronks. Don’t own any. Why do you keep asking the same stupid question pray tell?

    Are you able to prove Anning’s assertion the the Murray ran completely dry in that year or are we supposed to take his word for it because there’s a pic inserted to the piece which therefore must mean it’s true.

    Evidence! Go!

  154. JC

    In other news following the usual hysteria about hottest evah in January a comparison between the BoM temps for January and the UAH satellite temps over Australia show the opposite.

    Sat temps are basically worthless so the comparison is as useless as you are. That of course doesn’t mean the BOM isn’t lying.

  155. Zatara

    … we all know that the major political parties and their politicians are all about power – getting it and keeping it

    Indeed Speedbox.

    Qld Govt says it owns rainfall once it hits the ground on your property

    Desperate for irrigation water to keep their banana crops alive the State Government delivered a mortal blow preventing farmers from building any more dams over 50 megalitres capacity without applying for an expensive licence.

    Mr Huber stressed that water caught in domestic rainwater tanks was safe from government hands but any other water belonged to the State.

    A plan that includes metering the rainwater collected in private dams by farmers so that they can be charged for it by the all powerful state. Yeah, that will stimulate intelligent private contributions to water retention and flood control.

  156. cohenite

    Evidence! Go!

    You’re really 12 years old aren’t you?

    In fact the Murray run dry in 3 years, 1901,1915 and 1923, but the issue is what caused it. Some argue it was irrigation even then but the wider picture is that even with weirs and dams appearing early in the piece an external source of water such as from the top end was needed to satisfy the greenie demand for environmental/heritage/aboriginal water flow.

  157. Lysander

    Anyone know why several MUP execs have resigned following a change of direction in publishing since Milligan’s book?:

    The refocus follows a review of the publisher which was ordered after the publication of Cardinal: The Rise and Fall of George Pll by ABC journalist Louise Milligan.

  158. JC

    You’re really 12 years old aren’t you?

    I wish.

    In fact the Murray run dry in 3 years, 1901,1915 and 1923, but the issue is what caused it.

    Can you show us the evidence or are we to believe your assertion only.

    Evidence! Go!.

    Show us.

  159. cohenite

    Sat temps are basically worthless so the comparison is as useless as you are

    You really are 12 years old; and a dopey 12 at that.

    Still good to see you taking up the cudgels on behalf of your mate harken farken.

    In fact satellite measurements are indispensable as they provide a full atmospheric temperature profile in areas where no ground recordings occur.

  160. md

    On this web page you’ll find a copy of the Washington Post’s super bowl ad. I note that at the point at which the voiceover says ‘when our nation is threatened’ they show an image of the bombed Oklahoma City federal building and NOT the World Trade Center twin towers. Now, I wonder why that would be!

  161. JC

    In fact satellite measurements are indispensable as they provide a full atmospheric temperature profile in areas where no ground recordings occur.

    They are worthwhile in measuring the troposphere. The earth surface – land and oceans are a another matter. STFU and get the evidence we need instead of wasting time with this nonsense, you fraud.

  162. Lysander

    I think I’ve worked it out on MUP and GP.

    MUP has basically ripped itself apart after a review of the publisher found it was producing a heap of crap rather than academic insights (as per its established cause). Chancellor, Allan Myers, said (in light of Milligan’s book) that MUP had fallen into the “airport trash” variety of writing. Note: Myers is a devout Catholic and counsellor to GP. Note: Myers disputes “having said this in public.”

    MUP will have to return to its roots of academic writing rather than Women’s Day tabloid.

    Popcorn time. 🙂

  163. JC

    And don’t come back with bullshit like John Malkovich Cycles ran the Murray dry, Cronkite. Get to work.

  164. zyconoclast

    The French food and environmental safety agency ANSES said in a statement that sales of Roundup Pro 360 were banned as of Tuesday following a court ruling earlier in the day.

    “As the ruling took effect immediately, market approval for Roundup Pro 360 has been cancelled,” ANSES said in a statement to AFP.

    “The sale, distribution and use of Roundup Pro 360 are forbidden as of today.”

  165. Geriatric Mayfly

    how would our highly educated snowdrops fare there .?

    Vodka would ease the pain, provided there’s a little umbrella in the glass and a slice of lemon. (No straw.)

  166. cohenite

    They are worthwhile in measuring the troposphere. The earth surface – land and oceans are a another matter.

    Alarmist theory says the troposphere should warm more quickly than the surface hence the importance of the satellites.

    And satellites are quite able to measure surface temps notably SST: see:

    https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/pdf/10.1029/98JC02370

  167. Shy Ted

    The fact you can’t drive around most of the top end during four or five months a year should be some indication of just how much rain falls.
    From my time in the Top End I long wondered how the aborigines survived because the ground was so waterlogged it was just wading through mud. One day I realized it was like that for all the animals. Whether you were hunter or the hunted you were going nowhere fast. IMHO you’re not a real Australian till your patch has been through a flood. Not fun but a great life experience.

  168. Leigh Lowe

    JC

    #2925129, posted on February 4, 2019 at 3:59 pm

    … Mr Elliot managed to sell out …

    Yep, he sure did.

  169. JC

    The French food and environmental safety agency ANSES said in a statement that sales of Roundup Pro 360 were banned as of Tuesday following a court ruling earlier in the day.

    Boy, Bayer saved me a decent handful of coins. Bayer bought Monsanto just over 12 months ago and I settled up and moved along. I think it was the biggest all cash deal in history. I bet the Monsanto purchase is not worth the 120 odd bucks a share they paid. Still, the court ruling is complete crap. Typical Euroweenies.

  170. cohenite

    And don’t come back with bullshit

    I never do head prefect, that’s your job.

  171. Makka

    Towards the bottom of this page there is drone footage of a flooded area of Townsville. In it can be seen many older homes built high on stilts , above the flood waters.

    So with the worst flood evah in T’ville its seems those builders of the older homes knew what to expect and designed accordingly. How very sensible.

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-02-04/townsville-flooding-thousands-of-homes-inundated/10774230

  172. JC

    Alarmist theory says the troposphere should warm more quickly than the surface hence the importance of the satellites.

    Okay, that’s good. You see, that’s sceptical science that you’re demonstrating now. Excellent. I’ll fashion you into a sceptic yet, instead of a poor man’s harksie sceptic peddling bullshit theories like he does.

    And satellites are quite able to measure surface temps notably SST: see:

    I don’t believe that’s so. Neither are they accurate enough. The problem, as you may not know, is that the surface temps are being corrupted by climate Jesuits.

  173. Speedbox

    By comparison, many Cats have been to the USA and marvel at the national highway system commissioned in 1956. It took about 35 years to finish the original plan and, following other extensions, now measures almost 78,000 kilometres. In 2016, the total cost was about $AU500B.

    We may not have the population to justify a highway system as extensive as the USA, but we certainly have vast tracts of otherwise ‘useless’ land that could be made useful if not for the lack of water. A national irrigation system costing $500B (2019 dollars) constructed over the next, say, 40 years, would see Australia as arguably the world’s major crop/livestock/food producer.

    Perhaps if those bastard greenies won’t let us dig up the land for minerals, they will let us water it and grow food for the world.

  174. thefrollickingmole

    Any of our investor Cats now anything about a crew called Pearl Global (ASX: PG1)?

    I have been researching tire disposal for a little idea I had and there is good news and bad news.

    Good news,
    There is a massive amount of raw material to process.
    Units are fairly inexpensive ex China.
    It may be possible to collect some of the tire dumping fees.
    Fuel oil produced is generally of bunker fuel quality without further processing

    Bad news:
    Generally it needs to be clean. (no dirt etc)
    Distances and transport are a bugger.
    And the big one, none of these ventures anywhere in the world has made money.

    My research was based on the idea of rocking up to mine sites and processing theirs for a fee, so you make money from the actual process as a bonus.
    Also WA is probably (for a change) the least red tape strangled of the states with regards to what area this falls into.

    This mob might do ok if they can get a few companies paying them to process their tires to the extent anything they make from the scrap is a bonus.
    Then again the government might send out a new mandate “you must process all tire waste” in which case rivers of OPM will flow to them.
    Check if many union maaaates or funds are investing big, it might be a hint legislative change is in the air.

  175. JC

    Get a load of Bayer. Closed ~ 67 Euroa a share on Friday.

    Bayer Aktiengesellschaft (BAYN.DE)
    XETRA – XETRA Delayed Price. Currency in EUR

    It’s market cap is 62 billion Euros. ~ 12 months ago it was trading at 120 Euros a share, which means it’s lost ~45% of it’s market value and which in turn means it’s lost most of the value it paid for Monstanto. FMD.

    Most of this I reckon is because of the Roundup scare from the Euroweenies. Totally junk science too.

  176. Snoopy

    I don’t believe that’s so.

    Ah well, that’s that. No further discussion required.

  177. JC

    I love Roundup. I use the spray bottle they sell for that little bit of extra killing the gardener dude misses. You can see the life being squeezed out of the weeds in a few days. They go yellow and then, soon after that, they’re deadsky.

  178. cohenite

    I don’t believe that’s so. Neither are they accurate enough. The problem, as you may not know, is that the surface temps are being corrupted by climate Jesuits.

    That’s funny; so the paper I linked to is no good.

    Actually satellites are too accurate; it’s how they’re interpreted which is the problem. Early in the piece the alarmists thought the Antarctic was losing ice because the satellite microwave beam was taking longer to reach the surface of the ice so it must have meant ice loss. In fact it was due to ice gain. Ice is heavy and with more ice the bedrock underneath compressed due to something now known as Glacial Isostatic Adjustment, GIA, which you can google head prefect.

    Another interesting example of satellite precision which confounded the alarmists was when satellites were recording rising temps on the Antarctic sheet ice; the alarmists naturally assumed global warming. In fact the mircrowave beam had needed adjusting because it was penetrating the ice and recording the temperature inside the ice which was warmer than the outside air.

    Finally the accuracy or not of the satellites has nothing to do with land temperatures.

  179. struth

    From my time in the Top End I long wondered how the aborigines survived because the ground was so waterlogged it was just wading through mud.

    There’s high and low ground.
    They weren’t stupid enough to build brick homes in the flood plains.
    They were too “Culturally Restricted” to build anything.

    I go to a fascinating place in Arnhem land when I go up there, called Murwangi.

    It is on a beautiful piece of country called the “Arafura swamp”.
    Arnhem land is blessed with the best spring water out and indeed the hell hole that is Maningrida, has some of the best water in all of Australia.
    Anyway the swamp turns to a trickle of spring water from the Goyder river, coincidently named after a bloke who also warned people that it wouldn’t always be good times above his line, but the swamp doubles in size from 700 k2 to 12-14 00 square ks during the wet.
    However, due to it’s proximity to the sea, it never rises too high.
    There is one bit of high ground on a point in the low country.
    Aboriginal camp there for thousands of years they say.
    Joe Bradshaw of the Bradshaw paintings fame started a cattle station there , but due to the fighting with the blacks and the distance and tropical hardship it failed, as did a successive station.
    The aboriginal people had moved into Ramingining when some of them decided to start an abattoirs on the site, to butcher the strays from the station, and the buffalo.
    That , of course, went tits up, as often is the case.
    Has some ghostly , strange trees, these Arafura palms that never seed until the end of their lives and then die immediately afterwards.
    Absolutely stunning against the morning fog and sunrise from the camp.
    Tents placed very close to the waterway, isn’t really for my liking and lots of skittish buffalo, tonnes of crocs, mostly freshies but not all.
    Stunning birdlife.

    We were backburning around the camp, and being one of the first white people in the world besides those original settlers there, found many a grinding hole in the stone as proof of long time occupation of this one point.
    We had to backburn as the blackfellas are just born pyromaniacs, and it’s very good for the bush to do this, but what came first , the burning or the response to it?
    I am a harsh critic on many things but if the climate was similar to today, when ever the blackfellas arrived, one lightning strike could have devastating consequences.
    Northern Australia is covered in smoke just after the wet, before it dries too much.

    Stunning spot, go visit it, if you are a millionaire and can afford it!!
    I was just a worker, of sorts.

  180. JC

    Ah well, that’s that. No further discussion required.

    Well yea there is. He can of course prove his assertions. You weren’t around at time Snoopy, but there was once a point in the life of this blog where big assertions were supported by evidence. Now, all you need to do is show a little leg and people like you accept something as being true. Show a little discernment and not follow every short skirt you see on the horizon. Especially now with all the trannies. And Cronkite is a yuge ladyboy.

  181. stackja

    Royal Commission
    into Misconduct in the Banking, Superannuation
    and Financial Services Industry

    Final Report
    The final report was submitted to the Governor-General of the Commonwealth of Australia, His Excellency General the Honourable Sir Peter Cosgrove AK MC (Retd) on 1 February 2019 and tabled in Parliament on 4 February 2019.

  182. Henry2

    Struth.
    You don’t need pipes.
    You can use the water 5 times just by turning it inland in Qld.
    1. Hydro at the source.
    2. Irritation along the cooper and inland waterways.
    3. Keeping Lake Eyre full creates wet years in the south leading to
    4. Existing snowy hydro increased and
    5. Existing irrigation increased

  183. Northern Australia is covered in smoke …

    Useful for making nice sunsets though.

  184. Makka

    You can use the water 5 times just by turning it inland in Qld.

    Similar to what Joh proposed for the mighty Burdekin. He was laughed at by the egg heads down south.

  185. struth

    I love Roundup. I use the spray bottle they sell for that little bit of extra killing the gardener dude misses.

    That brought tears to my eyes just about!!!
    I kept thinking, so you both didn’t like the pool guy…………………..

    He he

  186. JC

    That’s funny; so the paper I linked to is no good.

    It’s okay to so so.

    Actually satellites are too accurate; it’s how they’re interpreted which is the problem. Early in the piece the alarmists thought the Antarctic was losing ice because the satellite microwave beam was taking longer to reach the surface of the ice so it must have meant ice loss. In fact it was due to ice gain. Ice is heavy and with more ice the bedrock underneath compressed due to something now known as Glacial Isostatic Adjustment, GIA, which you can google head prefect.

    First off, I am not going to Google anything, Erastus. It’s up to you to prove your assertions.

    Finally the accuracy or not of the satellites has nothing to do with land temperatures.

    Explain what eggsactly you mean here, because it appears to me that you’re agreeing with my earlier comment – that sat temps are worthless for measuring land temps. If they have nothing to do with land temps then why are you using sat temps to suggest the recent measurement was bullshit?

    Go!

  187. cohenite

    He can of course prove his assertions

    I assert you’re a dickhead. Res ipsa loquitur.

  188. Snoopy

    3. Keeping Lake Eyre full creates wet years

    Does it? So why is WA so dry with the whole Indian Ocean to the west?

  189. classical_hero

    ATM, all but one of the interconnector is in red territory. Imagine if one goes down, it would not look good for NSW.

  190. JC

    I assert you’re a dickhead.

    Just just an opinion whereas I proven you are many many times with shock and awe evidence that you are in fact a big time dickhead.

    Get to work, ladyboy. You have questions to answer.

    Keep in mind that I’ve been fair with you. I congratulated you earlier for demonstrating for the first time that you’re capable of sceptic science instead of giving us the John Malkovich crap.

  191. Myrddin Seren

    Imagine if one goes down, it would not look good for NSW Gladys Berejiklian.

    I fixes it !

  192. stackja

    Commissioner takes aim at NAB

    Mr Hayne was scathing of some bank bosses, particularly the National Australia Bank, for being unwilling to accept responsibility.

    “It seemed to me that there remain elements of unwillingness to recognise, and to accept responsibility for, poor conduct of the kinds examined in this inquiry,” he said.

    Mr Hayne said he was not confident NAB had learned the lessons from the past as he criticised its CEO Andrew Thorburn and chair Dr Ken Henry, a former Treasury secretary.

    He said Mr Thorburn treated the charging of fees for no service as nothing more than carelessness combined with system deficiencies.

    “The amounts of money that just ‘fell into the pocket’ of so many large and sophisticated financial entities, the number of times it happened, and the many years over which it happened, show that it cannot be swept aside as no more than bumbling incompetence or the product of poor computer systems,” Mr Hayne said.

  193. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    Arose this morning, looked around for the work boots and remembered that I don’t own a pair anymore.

    congrats!

  194. JC

    “It seemed to me that there remain elements of unwillingness to recognise, and to accept responsibility for, poor conduct of the kinds examined in this inquiry,” he said.

    That’s the wombat whisperer receiving a public caning. I reckon he’s a goner and possibly so is Thorburn.

    Thorburn is a big time Lair Party supporter.

  195. min

    12 years ago there was a heavy local rain ,that is a mile down the road nothing .and our previous house was flooded. It was caused by council drains not being kept clear of rubbish . Local shopping area the shops had 4 feet of water through .
    Councils up north listened to Flannery and unsuitable land has been made available for housing. The usual cognitive distortions made such as the heaviest rain Evah! Show me the. Evidence.

  196. bespoke

    JC
    #2925099, posted on February 4, 2019 at 3:13 pm
    I was paid to.
    Anything less than a couple of million dollars year and you wasted your life away. You need to pay someone at least $2million a year to live there. Hope you’re as wealthy as fuck.

    Its not always about money.

  197. JC

    Mr Hayne said NAB “stands apart from the other three major banks”.

    The whisperer’s fucked.

  198. JC

    Its not always about money.

    Sure, it’s about spending 8 months a year inside suffering cabin fever and a vitamin D deficiency. Good point.

  199. Bruce of Newcastle

    He said Mr Thorburn treated the charging of fees for no service as nothing more than carelessness combined with system deficiencies.

    Maybe Mr Hayne could comment on the taxing of voters for no service, like the ABC, or shoddy service, like the rest of what the government provides.

  200. struth

    Henry2

    The channel country is too much like most outback waterways, even like the Finke.
    The Finke River can be in absolute flood west of Alice Springs yet none of it makes it down to Lake Eyre.
    Sandy bottoms and creeks branching off everywhere, means these rivers being extremely old watercourses, aren’t high banked solid systems.
    The Finke is the oldest unchanged water course in the world.
    The rate of water loss would be significant and seasonal, I could envisage many problems with that.
    But I’m not saying it would be impossible, I listen to all ideas, but again, from my experience it is a land of extremes, and you’ve got to think of that one excessive year and that it is seasonal at best.
    Lake Argyle never goes down.
    Ever.
    I really don’t think a pipeline would be any more expensive than building a road, probably in reality, much cheaper, and would therefore supply constant dammed water year round and be diverted to precisely where it is needed and the precise amount needed.
    Too much geographical waste seasonal variability and evaporation.
    Lake Eyre is a salt flat because of it.
    Or are you suggesting the evaporation from it all falls down again on the Southern area of Australia?

  201. JC

    Maybe Mr Hayne could comment on the taxing of voters for no service, like the ABC, or shoddy service, like the rest of what the government provides.

    Very true, but let’s go for the easy fish first. The wombat whisperer could be facing criminal charges along with Thorburn. That’s worth watching for the theater alone.

  202. bespoke

    Fame and curiosity is a good motivator for progress, JC. You’d be sitting in a cave with out it.

  203. Geriatric Mayfly

    That’s the wombat whisperer receiving a public caning. I reckon he’s a goner and possibly so is Thorburn.

    I recall well The Whisperer’s offhand, casual, blasé responses to questions bowled up to him in the box. I thought at the time, that he being asked to sit there and be subject to that sort of probing was beneath his eminence.

  204. stackja

    Banking Royal Commission findings: What you need to know
    John Rolfe, News Corp Australia Network
    4 minutes ago
    Subscriber only

    The customer can no longer come second to profit — this is the theme guiding Commissioner Kenneth Hayne’s landmark report into misconduct in banking, superannuation and other financial services.

    Below are his key recommendations and findings.

    Treasurer Josh Frydenberg said the Government will back nearly all the ideas put forward by Commissioner Hayne. Unless specified, the recommendations in this list do have its thumbs up. The Opposition, which pushed hard for the inquiry in the first place, is backing all recommendations.

    This is the report broken down into different sections.

    Banking

    * In arguably the biggest shift, Mr Hayne said the home-loan borrower should pay the mortgage broker for finding a loan. At the moment the lender pays the broker via commissions. The Government isn’t endorsing this switch in its entirety, but Labor likely will. Commissioner Hayne said the first step would be to get rid of trail commissions over two or three years, which the Government does support.

    * Mortgage brokers must be made to act in the best interests of the borrower.

    * Car dealers offering finance should be covered consumer credit protections.

    * Banks must do a better job of providing access to services for people in remote areas and those who struggle with English.

    * Ban dishonour fees on basic accounts.

    * During a drought or other natural disaster, default interest is not to be charged on loans secured by farm land.

    * Banks need to ensure distressed agricultural loans are managed by experienced agricultural bankers, with “enforcement” to be treated as the worst outcome

    Financial advice

    * Each year provide in writing the services to be received and total fees to be charged

    * Any ongoing conflicted remuneration — pay which influences advice — currently permitted should be axed as soon as possible. The government supports this.

    * Consider reducing the cap on life insurance commissions, with the goal of “ultimately” getting to zero.

    * Look at having a blanket ban on conflicted remuneration for general insurance and consumer credit insurance products.

    * When a business offering financial planning is confident an adviser has engaged in misconduct, clients should be told and compensated promptly.

    * Set up a new disciplinary system for financial advisers.

    Superannuation

    * Change the “machinery” of the superannuation industry so people only have one default account.

    * Ban advice fees on MySuper accounts.

    * The unsolicited sale — “hawking” — of superannuation should be stopped.

    Regulation

    * The recently established Banking Executive Accountability Regime (BEAR), which is a system of checks and penalties for lenders’ leaders, should be extended to big super funds.

    Insurance

    * Hawking of insurance should be banned.

    * Funeral insurance should be subject to consumer protection laws.

    * Cap the commission car dealers can earn on add-on insurances.

    * Claims handling should be considered a financial service under the law, which means it would need to be provided “efficiently, honestly and fairly”. In giving this the tick, Mr Frydenberg said “inappropriate claims handling practices can cause significant consumer detriment”.

    * The BEAR should also cover insurers.

    Pay

    * The regulator of banks and insurers, APRA, should not only watch for financial risk but also misconduct and compliance risks.

    * Those regulated by APRA must build pay systems that “encourage sound management of non-financial risks … and reduced the risk of misconduct”.

    * Force APRA-regulated companies to make rules that allow for claw back of pay in “appropriate circumstances”.

    * APRA should focus on building cultures “that will mitigate the risk of misconduct”.

    * Frontline staff should be paid not only for what they do but “how” they do it.

  205. JC

    I recall well The Whisperer’s offhand, casual, blasé responses to questions bowled up to him in the box. I thought at the time, that he being asked to sit there and be subject to that sort of probing was beneath his eminence.

    Wasn’t it great to watch. At the time, I was thinking… “dude! WTF are you doing?”

  206. bespoke

    Also spite motivates JC but you already know that 🙂

  207. stackja

    Banking royal commission: Kenneth Hayne delivers full findings
    Sophie Elsworth, Claire Bickers, Jeff Whalley, AAP, Herald Sun
    3 minutes ago
    Subscriber only

    A dramatic overhaul of the nation’s financial services industry is set to deliver customers fairer and simpler products that will leave them better off.

    Kenneth Hayne’s Royal Commission final report, delivered in three detailed volumes this afternoon, contains what could be a potentially fatal blow for the mortgage broking industry.

    The banking, financial advice, superannuation and insurance sectors didn’t go unscathed either, as Mr Hayne handed down a series of recommendations to get them to lift their game and leave customers better, not worse off.

    The most significant of 76 recommendations to follow seven rounds of public hearings over 68 days, the appearance of more than 130 witnesses and review of over 10,000 public submissions, are:

    * a home-loan borrower, not the lender, is to pay the broker a fee for acting in connection with home lending. The government has not committed to acting on this in full, but Labor likely will;

    * financial advice fee arrangements must be renewed annually by the client after being provided, in writing, with the precise services being received and the total cost;

    * changes to ensure a person has only one default superannuation account. This account is where an employer must pay the employee’s super contributions unless told otherwise;

    * A new authority independent of the Government to oversee the prudential regulator, the Australian Prudential and Regulation Authority and the corporate cop, the Australian Securities and Investments Commission;

    * A ban on “hawking” — the unsolicited offer or sale of superannuation should be prohibited for both insurance products and super products; and,

    * the referral to regulators of AMP, the Commonwealth Bank, National Australia Bank, and others. This could lead to criminal or civil charges.

  208. thefrollickingmole

    stackja

    Failing to see any “people in charge of regulators to be sacked as incompetent time serving shits” or “Paying back customers shafted by commissions sold to enrich our maaaates” there anywhere.

  209. Makka

    A dramatic overhaul of the nation’s financial services industry is set to deliver customers fairer and simpler products that will leave them better off.

    It’s time to plan accumulation of bank stocks.

  210. JC

    bespoke
    #2925208, posted on February 4, 2019 at 5:21 pm

    Also spite motivates JC but you already know that

    True. Look at my bitches, only today we had the nurse high fiving the Cronkite and then Cronkite thanking him for his scientifically cased support. Good point. Again.

    I find your shallow sanctimony very endearing, bespoke.

  211. ian3029

    A new authority independent of the Government to oversee the prudential regulator, the Australian Prudential and Regulation Authority and the corporate cop, the Australian Securities and Investments Commission;

    More public servants!

  212. struth

    Look, I know what I know, and defer to some of you guys regards financial practices of the banks.
    I’ve never had a problem except you have to keep an eye on the charges.

    However am I wrong (and I will concur if I am)

    a home-loan borrower, not the lender, is to pay the broker a fee for acting in connection with home lending. The government has not committed to acting on this in full, but Labor likely will;

    The customer will of course end up paying this through interest rate setting our charges of veryying degree.

    changes to ensure a person has only one default superannuation account. This account is where an employer must pay the employee’s super contributions unless told otherwise;

    This has nothing to do with banks and is a government scheme with government rules.

    A new authority independent of the Government to oversee the prudential regulator, the Australian Prudential and Regulation Authority and the corporate cop, the Australian Securities and Investments Commission;

    Growth of government because it found a pretend problem caused by it in the first place.

    A ban on “hawking” — the unsolicited offer or sale of superannuation should be prohibited for both insurance products and super products; and,

    So that one super that you are allowed to keep through change of employers is not allowed to advertise to you and compete for your business?

  213. cohenite

    When you’re dealing with a certain type of person of the left motivated by ego it pays not to fall into their desire to control the narrative because if you do the Twilight Zone beckons:

    Mayor Bloomberg: Green Jobs “That’s The Lesson Of The Yellow Vest Protests In Paris.”

  214. Arky

    At doctors with youngster.
    Suspect greenstick fracture.
    Fell off monkey bar at school, told no one.
    Got home she could not undo seatbelt.

  215. JC

    Makka
    #2925212, posted on February 4, 2019 at 5:25 pm

    A dramatic overhaul of the nation’s financial services industry is set to deliver customers fairer and simpler products that will leave them better off.

    It’s time to plan accumulation of bank stocks.

    Haynes is mostly a fucking moron who ought not to be allowed out of a judicial chamber or a law firm’s office.

    One example: He’s advocating terminating running commissions for brokers suggestive there’s something wrong with that. When there’s more than one player in a market, you immediately see a broker arrive on the scene looking to make a commission. That’s been the case since people began to trade with each other, but Haynes is trying to recreate a market… from the bench. He knows better.

    This whole thing is the biggest abortion in decades.

    The stupid Australian banks entire compensation structure was based on sales instead of the necessary metrics that should be used. Sales driving remuneration is a recipe for disaster.

    I glanced at all the recommendations. All it does is create even more barriers to entry and after the banks get a hang of it – the new regulatory setup- will make even more money as it becomes even more of a closed shop.

    This is the late term abortion of the financial markets.

  216. cohenite

    That’s it head prefect; stick to financial comments.

    Now say something about the Super recommendations and frame it in the context of Union control of Australian super. That’s a good lad.

  217. JC

    ian3029
    #2925214, posted on February 4, 2019 at 5:31 pm

    A new authority independent of the Government to oversee the prudential regulator, the Australian Prudential and Regulation Authority and the corporate cop, the Australian Securities and Investments Commission;

    More public servants!

    More regs, creating even more barriers to entry, creating even more of a closed shop, thereby eventually creating an even higher rate of return for banks.

    Haynes are great value.

  218. Makka

    JC #2925218, posted on February 4, 2019 at 5:36 pm

    All that ego twaddle just to say I’m right and you agree with me.

    All it does is create even more barriers to entry and after the banks get a hang of it – the new regulatory setup- will make even more money as it becomes even more of a closed shop.

    Now I’ll have to review my strategy.

  219. struth

    sorry the first one is the other way round

  220. JC

    Tell you what, Cronkers.

    You stop posting gerbil warming theories and I’ll stick to finance. Deal?

  221. Twostix

    * Frontline staff should be paid not only for what they do but “how” they do it

    Is this a joke?

  222. JC

    All that ego twaddle just to say I’m right and you agree with me.

    Dude, you posted something about accumulating Australian banks. Frankly that’s not something I’m interested in as I own the US money center banks and it’s not a good idea to own more. I used your comment as an intro into the recs, which I think are an abortion if you want more open, flowing markets.

    Haynes is a moron, however caning the wombat whisperer and Thorburn is going to be better than Gomorrah on Netflix.

  223. Tel

    * The unsolicited sale — “hawking” — of superannuation should be stopped.

    That’s honestly a great idea.

    The biggest “hawking” of Super would be the ATO and their guarantee levy so first and most important step would be get rid of that. Oh yea, and pay back all the unsolicited insurance premiums that were charged which no one asked for… terrible, terrible “hawking” by the Gillard government if I remember rightly.

  224. Tailgunner

    Pardon me while I say ….. Bwahahahahahahahahahahaha

    This is what #Winning feels like.

  225. JC

    Twostix
    #2925226, posted on February 4, 2019 at 5:44 pm

    * Frontline staff should be paid not only for what they do but “how” they do it

    Is this a joke?

    He’s serious. Where the hell did the libs find Hayne? Where did they dredge him up from?

  226. Twostix

    A ban on “hawking” — the unsolicited offer or sale of superannuation should be prohibited for both insurance products and super products; and,

    changes to ensure a person has only one default superannuation account. This account is where an employer must pay the employee’s super contributions unless told otherwise;

    What he have here is the first steps to nationalising super.

  227. JC

    A great deal of what Hayne is advocating comes straight out of the Pocahantas reg body that Trump is trying to dismantle. It’s like copy and paste. I wonder if Laserjet8600 had a part time job working for the commission? I wonder.

  228. Confused Old Misfit

    Consumers often dealt with financial entities through intermediaries – in many cases, consumers may have thought the intermediaries were acting on their behalf, but often they were being paid by the financial institutions – therefore, a clear conflict

    None of the pricks in the financial business are to be trusted.
    Bankers & lawyers – hang ’em high!

  229. struth

    Suspect greenstick fracture.

    Bugger.
    I’ve always hated that term, because you think of the supple young bone bending before it breaks.
    Good luck.

  230. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Trump wins the Superbowl!

    I watched part of the Superbowl with Hairy around lunchtime. I don’t know what the rules are nor what both sides are doing, but I did remark that when they gathered together and charged at the other, it was completely reminiscent of the ‘shield wall’ favoured by Uhtred the Warrior in both ‘The Last Kingdom’ tv series and the books on which it is based. I enjoyed the drama and spectacle of it all. All of those intense men on the sidelines, determining who stayed within the rules of battle, like the Lords of old, parleying and sorting things out re the play, the coaches priming the players, and then the big clash, the head on charge of man on man with brute force powering forward behind battle equipment. Then they’re up and away and running, and like any real battle, it’s impossible to say what is happening or who is winning.

    Except for aficionados, like the audience, the informed commenters, and Hairy yelling encouragement and whooping along with Brady. He told me all about this very special player, but I’ve forgotten the details already. Haven’t forgotten the way the crowd chanted his name though, and his triumphant Trumpism. MAGA. Certainly. Suck it up, lefties.

    I bet there would not be much interest in a women’s team doing this stuff.
    You need the big blokes for it.

  231. Tel

    * A new authority independent of the Government to oversee the …

    You mean like the completely independent not even slightly related to government Fair Work Australia? Where when they attempted to make an independent decision to give small business the same reduction in compulsory penalty rates that Bill Shorten had already signed off via the unions for big business … the ALP went apeshit and forced the government to intervene with the independently independent decision that needed fixing by Captain’s Call Prime Minister.

    Or could we be talking about pretending to be even more independently independent than that? Is it possible?!?

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