Open Forum: February 9, 2019

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  1. Leigh Lowe

    🎵🎶

    Well I woke up Sunday morning
    With no way to hold my head, that didn’t hurt
    bom, bom, bom

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    And the beer I had for breakfast wasn’t bad
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    Is best I can do.

  2. Empire 5:5

    That didn’t take long.

    Prosecutors initially included a charge of abortion against the Queens man arrested Friday in his pregnant girlfriend’s murder — but rescinded it because of Gov. Andrew Cuomo’s new Reproductive Health Act.

    https://nypost.com/2019/02/08/accused-murderer-spared-abortion-charge-after-cuomos-new-law/

    The DNC is a death cult.

  3. Baldrick

    Tom
    #2929515, posted on February 10, 2019 at 4:00 am

    Week In Pictures.

    Too good to leave on the page turn. Thanks Tom.

  4. P

    How to imbed a video in two easy steps:

    Right click on the centre of the video
    -> left click on ‘Copy video URL’
    -> In the comment box right click, then Paste.

    Make sure it is on a line of its own.
    DO NOT place it in the ‘link’ drop down box.

  5. md

    Best hangover cure ever. Do a Donnie and abstain from alcohol. It will change your life for the better.

  6. John Constantine

    Their yarragrad dogbox apartment development with the flammable cladding.

    Seems that not only did the fire department find dogboxes with ten mattresses on the floor as a barracks, but they found the London style practise of wrapping smoke detectors in plastic.

    Plastic wrapped smoke detectors allow the bespoke cultural tradition of cooking with charcoal brasiers, without setting off the smoke detector.

    Big Australia has made us so rich that we can afford to import so many millions of the worlds poorest people to perform as bespoke service providers that we have to stack them ten deep in high rise dogboxes and have them cook on dried dung fires, on balconies fitted with flammable cladding.

    Comrade billionaire dogbox-developer-donor Maaaaaates.

  7. md

    https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2019/02/03/climate-change-chief-lord-deben-takes-hidden-payments/

    Christmas has come unusually early this year for British climate sceptics thanks to a magnificent scoop by the Mail on Sunday‘s David Rose.
    The [Mail] headline reads:
    ‘Tory peer in £600,000 conflict of interest: Climate Change chief John Gummer faces calls to quit over payments from ‘green businesses’ to his family firm where daughter he famously fed a beef burger during the height of the BSE crisis is a director.’

  8. Peter Greagg

    https://youtu.be/hy0LsznX59A

    I missed last night’s music in real time.
    Always been a Kasey Chambers fan. BTW, her dad Bill plays the acoustic lead on this version.

  9. Peter Greagg

    Hey P, why isn’t the video showing (I followed your instructions?

  10. Snoopy

    Fauxfacts

    GetUp poll points to Abbott electoral defeat

    #ThisIsJournalism

  11. Nick

    And just like that,
    All those that stormed out, came back.

  12. C.L.

    New York: Accused murderer spared abortion charge thanks to Cuomo’s new law.

    Prosecutors initially included a charge of abortion against the Queens man arrested Friday in his pregnant girlfriend’s murder — but rescinded it because of Gov. Andrew Cuomo’s new Reproductive Health Act.

    Queens District Attorney Richard Brown sent out a press release saying Anthony Hobson, 48, would be charged with second-degree abortion as well as murder in Sunday’s fatal stabbing of Jennifer Irigoyen, 35.

    But a DA spokeswoman later told The Post that the abortion charge “was repealed by the Legislature, and this is the law as it exists today.”

    Cuomo signed the RHA into law on Jan. 22, the 46th anniversary of the Roe v. Wade decision.

    The Democrats endorse what he did:

    Irigoyen, who was five months pregnant, was killed early Sunday after she was ripped from her apartment in a Myrtle Avenue building in Ridgewood and knifed in the building’s vestibule, according to police.

    Hobson was captured on surveillance video at around 1 a.m. as he dragged Irigoyen from the hallway of her third-floor apartment to a stairwell, officials said.

    “He’s got a knife! He’s going to kill the baby!” Irigoyen had shouted, a witness previously told The Post.

    The expectant mother was then knifed multiple times in the torso, neck and abdomen, authorities said.

    She was rushed to Wyckoff Heights Medical Center, but neither she nor her unborn baby could be saved.

  13. Nick

    GetUp poll points to Abbott electoral defeat

    Heaps of deranged comments at the SMH made around 2am.
    GetUp must have rallied the overseas winged monkeys. The comments are truly frothing.

  14. Baldrick

    Let’s see if we can get a hat-trick …

    P
    #2916305, posted on January 24, 2019 at 6:13 pm
    There are some here who have Grigory on their minds, constantly.
    Grigory M was not an ogre.
    It’s almost two years since Grigory has made regular comments, but for me the stigma continues to exist.
    I’m not from NZ but the time has come for me to now exit also.
    _____
    P
    #2606738, posted on January 10, 2018 at 8:50 pm
    I’ll not write here anymore.
    The above unwarranted comments to Rae attest to what reception I’d receive if I ventured here again.

  15. Snoopy

    Peter Greagg
    #2929571, posted on February 10, 2019 at 9:04 am
    Hey P, why isn’t the video showing (I followed your instructions?

    I think it depends on the device. People giving tips should name the device they are using. PC/Mac/Apple/Android.

  16. P

    Peter Greagg

    It needs to be a clean URL. Must not be ‘feature’.
    Post “Kasey Chambers – Nullarbor Song (Live)” in the youtube Search box and you will get a clean URL.

  17. Des Deskperson

    Dunno if any cats are aware of the Melbourne University Press’s ‘On’ series of monographs. ‘Little books on big ideas- pairs Australia’s leading thinkers and cultural figures with the big themes in life’:

    .https://www.mup.com.au/on-series

    Anyway, it’s the usual crap by the usual suspects – Leigh Sales ‘On Doubt’, Stan Grant ‘On Identity’, Tim Southhommasane ‘On Hate’, it’s a sort of cut rate vanity press and at $14.99 a pop, pretty pricey for just a pamphlet.

    I was in Canberra’s most pretentious and ‘progressive’ bookshop – ‘The Paperchain’ – yesterday and the counter was festooned by multiple copies -suitably red covered -of the latest in the On series – Sally McManus ‘On Fairness’, in which, reportedly, Sally compares unionists who breach IR laws to Gandhi, Mandela and Martin Luther King.

    Hopefully, the new management at MUP will put a stop to this sort of wank.

  18. Peter Greagg

    Okay, I am using chrome with DDG addon on win7. I am doing something wrong.

  19. Nick

    Balders, a woman in her late 70’s who is fluent in formatting code.
    Only at the Cat……

  20. Snoopy

    Hopefully, the new management at MUP will put a stop to this sort of wank.

    It’s worse than a wank. It’s shovelling OPM to maaates.

  21. Peter Greagg

    Des Deskperson
    #2929583, posted on February 10, 2019 at 9:11 am
    Dunno if any cats are aware of the Melbourne University Press’s ‘On’ series of monographs. ‘Little books on big ideas- pairs Australia’s leading thinkers and cultural figures with the big themes in life’:

    .https://www.mup.com.au/on-series

    Anyway, it’s the usual crap by the usual suspects – Leigh Sales ‘On Doubt’, Stan Grant ‘On Identity’, Tim Southhommasane ‘On Hate’, it’s a sort of cut rate vanity press and at $14.99 a pop, pretty pricey for just a pamphlet.

    I was in Canberra’s most pretentious and ‘progressive’ bookshop – ‘The Paperchain’ – yesterday and the counter was festooned by multiple copies -suitably red covered -of the latest in the On series – Sally McManus ‘On Fairness’, in which, reportedly, Sally compares unionists who breach IR laws to Gandhi, Mandela and Martin Luther King.

    Hopefully, the new management at MUP will put a stop to this sort of wank.

    From yesterday’s OZ.


    McManus blinkers block reality
    BRAD NORINGTON

    Words uttered by Sally McManus on television two years ago, hours after she was confirmed as leader of Australia’s union movement, did more than grab headlines. They have come to define her.

    So it is no surprise McManus begins a polemic, commissioned by Melbourne University Publishing and released this week, by focusing on what she told ABC 7.30 host Leigh Sales on March 15, 2017. Asked whether she’d consider distancing the ACTU from the Construction Forestry Mining and Energy Union, a habitual law-breaker, and whether she believed in the rule of law, McManus said: “Yeah, I believe in the rule of law where the law is fair, when the law is right. But when it’s unjust, I don’t think there’s a problem with breaking it.”

    McManus devotes more than a third of MUP’s On Fairness to this interview, which introduced her to a national audience.

    Two years on, considered reflections from McManus as secretary of the ACTU are instructive when Labor looks set to win the federal election in three months.

    Although reduced to representing just 15 per cent of the workforce — and 9 per cent of the private sector, where most people are employed — expectations are high in the McManus camp that Labor with Bill Shorten as PM will rewrite strike laws and others to tip the balance the unions’ way.

    McManus embraces her “unjust law” remark, expanding on it with stories from the Tolpuddle Martyrs to the Mudginberri meatworkers. The core of her argument is that when union leaders are asked whether they support the “rule of law” they are being “challenged to abandon and condemn our own history” and “the generations of union members who fought and suffered to give us all the living standards we have today”.

    The ACTU probably needed a live wire like McManus after a couple of bland male predecessors did little to arrest a slide into irrelevance. McManus is passionate, courageous, even fearless. She is also prone to overstatement and being loose with facts, which she can get away with most of the time because who knows the detail?

    No one is asking McManus to renounce historical struggles but can she be serious in comparing the push for strengthening a right to strike in Australia with battling apartheid in South Africa, British rule in India and race segregation in the US? It appears she is.

    McManus relates how laws are passed not by “principles” but by governments that “can be unjust and unfair”. “Our anti-strike laws are one of the many manifestations of this fact,” she writes. “Apartheid in South Africa, the dominion of the British Raj over India, and race segregation in the United States of America were entirely ‘legal’ regimes, and governed by laws that restricted the most basic democratic rights and freedoms.” Looks like a comparison. Straight after, McManus adds it’s “no coincidence” Nelson Mandela, Mahatma Gandhi and Martin Luther King Jr were unionists as well. This afterthought says something about their values, but their fights for rights were about much broader inequality and dignity denied.

    McManus says there is an accepted right to strike in the West, yet there is one in Australia too. Perhaps the conditions for legal strike action could be reviewed in line with international standards, as well as some restrictions on union organising. But no right to strike existed before 1993: it was a convention with some notable cases of punishment for illegal action. When Labor’s Paul Keating enshrined the right in law, the downside for unions was that it could not be an unqualified right, and surely McManus knows this.

    She skirts over how the Rudd-Gillard Labor government overturned John Howard’s Work Choices in 2008 and replaced those laws with ones we still have.

    “Our framework of industrial fairness has not recovered,” she writes.

    Really? Tell that to one of her ACTU predecessors, enlisted to help Julia Gillard finesse the drafting of those laws. Gillard did not think they were “unjust” when introducing them with some fanfare. Nor did Shorten, later, as Gillard’s workplace minister.

    McManus makes some valid points about living costs exceeding general wage rises even if the inflation rate remains low, and about obscene executive salaries. But she ignores much too, including our comparatively high minimum wage, increased last year by more than the CPI; how big companies cannot escape regulation or shaming for bad behaviour; and how small business, the main area for worker exploitation, was always out of union reach.

    Skills shortages will push up wages, but enhancing the right to strike is not likely to do much when union representation is so low, except to boost CFMEU power.

    McManus is at odds even with ACTU doyen and former Labor PM Bob Hawke, who deregistered the BLF and has made it clear that his party should shun the CFMEU.

    McManus’s essay calls for a populist revival of unions when the affluent majority has stopped listening. She blames others for their decline, chiefly big business, the Coalition, the Murdoch press, even Leigh Sales (“how we got to this point can be explained by what happened to me in that black box at the ABC studio”).

    Meanwhile, she overlooks how Labor was in office for half of the years since union membership stood at 50 per cent. Apparently it was OK for wage growth to slip during the Accord when the social safety net was promoted as compensation, but not now when almost all of it remains.

  22. Nick

    More honest MUP books we should see

    “On whining”
    “On bludging”
    “On sucking the taxpayer’s teat”

  23. Baldrick

    Only at the Cat……

    Well quite obviously the septuagenarian has taken somebody’s advice, “Learn to code.” 🇦🇲😉

  24. Peter Castieau

    Quite a good stoush between ‘Ol Leathery and Poodlehead on Insiders.

    Cassidy rattled!

  25. Gab

    Peter Greagg

    Just copy the url of the link and paste it into the comment box.

    Make sure the url is not “youtu.be” or “m.youtube” or any variation that doesn’t look like “youtube”.

  26. Peter Greagg

    Gab
    #2929593, posted on February 10, 2019 at 9:21 am

    Thanks Gab

  27. Gab

    When I click on that link, Peter I’m told the site cannot be reached.

  28. Peter Greagg

    Yeah. I needed to copy the url from the header of the youtube page.

  29. Peter Greagg

    I will stop now. I have probably used Doomlord’s bandwidth for the week.

  30. Elle

    http://catallaxyfiles.com/2019/02/09/open-forum-february-9-2019/comment-page-3/#comment-2929551

    Bespoke! My cats are snuggling with me and they jumped. Cats, as in my feline friends. No “Cats” stayed over last night.

    It was a good night. Great music!
    I think the shiraz was off though.
    😟
    Coffee time.

  31. Tom

    Thanks for the schizo troll update, Baldrick.

    Sad.

  32. Shy Ted

    Hugh Rimmington on ABC RN this morning proving what a valuable asset he is to their ABC, introducing Background Briefing which I’m not sure their ABC has thought through. Couple of sentences and he;s done for the day, handing it over to their ABC SJWs and sympathetic music orchestra. Story – female African refugee in that multicultural hub Dandenong, uneducated, alcoholic, unemployed, self harmer and violent convicted of murder of violent, alcoholic African male. But of course she’s not guilty because she’s black, female and refugee. Several other potential suspects, all unemployed, violent African males. SJW’s unable to get an interview with prosecutors so only the defence heard. And a teary social worker who was on the verge of saving her from the African men, the violence, the alcohol, the unemployment who thinks she’s not guilty because she told her so. And the main witness was a liar! Not just any old liar but an African, male, alcoholic, frequently convicted fraudster, violent, unemployed liar.
    Which doesn’t really fit the narrative. And then Hugh signed off with a couple of sentences. He needs a well earned break.

  33. bespoke

    bemused
    #2929306, posted on February 9, 2019 at 7:51 pm
    Here’s a top video of Tucker Carlson interviewing AOC’s adviser:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0qyx6eDkrmw.
    Is he the ‘real deal’?

    Watch that guy trying to look serious and intelligent. Must have gone to the same drama club as David Hogg.

  34. Now don’t say you can’t swear off drinking; it’s easy.

    I’ve done it a thousand times.
    W. C. Fields

  35. While looking for the above quote, I find –

    No doubt exists that all women are crazy; it’s only a question of degree. – W. C. Fields

  36. Elle

    Quite a good stoush between ‘Ol Leathery and Poodlehead on Insiders.

    Cassidy rattled!

    Indeed.

    I can’t help but notice the gender imbalance on the couch. Our ABC – poor form!

  37. Baldrick

    Bwhahahaha,

    ABC News ✔ @abcnews
    ‘This is the fight of our lives’: Elizabeth Warren announces 2020 presidential bid
    _____
    Donald J. Trump ✔ @realDonaldTrump
    Today Elizabeth Warren, sometimes referred to by me as Pocahontas, joined the race for President. Will she run as our first Native American presidential candidate, or has she decided that after 32 years, this is not playing so well anymore? See you on the campaign TRAIL, Liz!

  38. Nick

    I love Trump
    Hahahahahahaha

  39. Peter Greagg

    Myrddin Seren
    #2929618, posted on February 10, 2019 at 9:56 am
    Testing

    https://youtu.be/nQrE8vOM0ss

  40. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    See you on the campaign TRAIL, Liz!

    He’s savage, isn’t he? This is going to be fun.

  41. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Fifty five years since the HMAS Melbourne/Voyager collision. Umm, yeah.

  42. New York: Accused murderer spared abortion charge thanks to Cuomo’s new law.

    This is what it looks like when you deny the child in utero the protection of the law. What an abominable state of affairs. As CL has reminded us before, the AMA is fully on board with Cuomo’s law.

  43. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    No doubt exists that all women are crazy; it’s only a question of degree. – W. C. Fields

    Said through a glass darkly, I suspect. He has form there.

    We do, of course, have our moments. De ole hormones risin’ up, yassir.
    Don’t mess with me on a bad day, Harken. It will not be pretty.

  44. Des Deskperson

    ‘ And then Hugh signed off with a couple of sentences. He needs a well earned break.’

    Well, he is also the ace reporter on Ten Nightly News so I guess he is finding himself a bit stressed.

    Th other night he was interviewing the CEO of the Commonwealth Bank, but it was a bit weird because he had a large white bandage on his forehead over his right eye, it looked like he had either a very late developing and purulent zit or a woman had clocked him with a high heeled shoe. it was distracting and showed an all round lack of professionalism by Ten

    Hugh obviously thinks he is still an iconoclastic, out there, envelop-pushing young reporter. In fact he is 57 and looks it. He reportedly, however, does good work for Servicemen/women’s charities.

  45. Old School Conservative

    The first stop on (Jordan) Peterson’s Australian tour was at the Perth Convention Centre last night (again tonight). He moves on to Adelaide on Monday and he’ll be around until the end of the month. He sold out Sydney’s Opera House in something like three minutes. Tickets are changing hands at $900 a pop on dodgy resale sites.

    From Caroline Overington in The Oz.

  46. bespoke

    We do, of course, have our moments. De ole hormones risin’ up, yassir.
    Don’t mess with me on a bad day, Harken. It will not be pretty.

    American Indians put the girls in one tent during those times for the safety of the tribe. 😉

  47. C.L.

    Even left-wing Mediaite now says Smollett claims are total bullshit.
    Behind the Scenes, It’s Clear Chicago Media and Police Doubt Jussie Smollett’s Story.

    But nobody can say so because as a black homosexual Smollett is a double grievance amputee.

    I can’t recall a large crime story where there was a bigger gap between what the police and media are saying publicly, and what they expressing behind the scenes, than the saga involving the recent alleged hate crime against actor Jussie Smollett. Similarly, there may not be a story where you can tell more by what has not happened, in comparison to what actually has occurred.

    The current public stance of the Chicago police is that earlier this month, at 2 a.m. on a very cold Chicago night, Smollett was the victim of what appears to be a heinous hate crime where he was physically attacked by two men, and humiliated due to his race, homosexuality, and possibly his opposition to President Donald Trump. The Chicago media, in official reports, has largely treated that narrative as legitimate, while chronicling the complete lack of suspects and corroborating evidence as more of a frustration than any indication that something else might be going on here.

    Behind the scenes, however, based on conversations I have had with multiple people covering the story, there is a radically different take on what really did happen to Smollett. In short, there is near unanimity among police sources that Smollett’s story is very likely not true. And that even the media outlets still regurgitating the current “party line” don’t really believe it.

    Read on.

  48. DrBeauGan

    Old School Conservative
    #2929635, posted on February 10, 2019 at 10:28 am
    The first stop on (Jordan) Peterson’s Australian tour was at the Perth Convention Centre last night (again tonight). He moves on to Adelaide on Monday and he’ll be around until the end of the month. He sold out Sydney’s Opera House in something like three minutes. Tickets are changing hands at $900 a pop on dodgy resale sites.

    From Caroline Overington in The Oz.

    The guy is making a fortune just saying publicly that feminism is bullshit.

  49. OldOzzie

    STATEMENT TO THE COMMITTEE
    ON NATURAL RESOURCES
    OF THE UNITED STATES HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

    Hearing on

    Climate Change: The Impacts and the Need to Act
    6 February 2019

    Judith A. Curry

    Climate Forecast Applications Network

    [email protected]

  50. OldOzzie

    Six weeks ago Australian Met Bureau predicted a dry month for Townsville

    Warwick Hughes (h/t Dave Brewer) points out that on Dec 20th the Australian Bureau of Meteorology predicted that the Townsville region had only a 1 in 3 chance of exceeding the average rainfall in January.

    Predicting rainfall in Australia is very difficult. The issue is not that the BoM gets it wrong — it’s that they pretend they can do it that matters. Why bother issuing one month forecasts?

    Ten days out they were still hopelessly wrong

    As Warwick Hughes notes they also predicted on Jan 17th that February in Townsville would only have a 45% chance of exceeding the average rainfall. The downpour started on Jan 27th.

    Today, after one whole week in February, the area has already had over four times the normal rainfall for the whole month, but the BoM didn’t see that rain coming ten days in advance.

    The fancy-pants detailed graphics are entirely misleading — like advertising that sells an ability the experts simply don’t have. We don’t want genius from our BoM, we just want honesty.

  51. OldOzzie

    Legally it’s the wrong time? Coal mine rejected by judge who hopes to change weather
    Sometimes we have laws, and sometimes it’s the wrong time for them

    A judgement today in a minor NSW court banned a coal mine in the hope of making storms and floods nicer for our great grandchildren. Curiously, it was not the much hated thermal coal mine, it was a coking coal mine – the stuff we use in making steel. It takes 600 kilograms of coal to make one ton of steel and Australian coking coal is considered some of the world’s best. It follows that either the world uses a bit less steel, or it buys the coal from somewhere else. Does the judge have something against steel? Let’s melt down wind turbines and solar panels instead.

    Most likely the world will buy the coal from somewhere else. It will likely be less pure and more polluting with few environmental controls or worker’s rights, but hey-de-ho, Judge Preston is not there to worry about environmental global concerns. It’s not like he’s a judge in the NSW Land and Environment Court. Oh…

  52. Elle

    American Indians put the girls in one tent during those times for the safety of the tribe.

    We need one of those tents here. It needs to look like this though.
    Mreow, hiss, purr, lick, smooch.

  53. C.L.

    American Indians put the girls in one tent during those times for the safety of the tribe.

    Fairfax does the same thing.

  54. Nick

    American Indians put the girls in one tent during those times for the safety of the tribe.

    We need one here, surrounded by mirrors, for the narcissists who post solely to say ‘look at moi’

  55. Woolfe

    Gave my son tickets for Jordan as Christmas present and he went last night, going to be interesting seeing what he thought and asking about demographic.

    I went to blanc de blanc at the fringe.

  56. DrBeauGan

    Gave my son tickets for Jordan as Christmas present and he went last night, going to be interesting seeing what he thought and asking about demographic

    I’d be interested in his opinion, Woolfe.

  57. [COKING] Coal mine rejected by judge who hopes to change weather

    effectively a ban on steel. What will we use to build our wind turbines?

    The comments at jonova on this are worthy of a read. See OO’s link.

  58. effectively a ban on steel. What will we use to build our wind turbines?

    No steel tools to be used in the smashing of avocados.

  59. max

    Before Rimington this morning the ABC presented ‘God Forbid’ and a couple of female theology academics.
    For once, a debate between two people who disagreed.

    The first part covered evolutionary biology and Dawkins, the selfish gene, pitiless Nature et al.
    The Harvard/ Cambridge visitor cited examples such as dolphins swimming around a boat ceaselessly when a member of the pod is impaled and dying. Followed up with elephants returning to the spot where one died previously. The claim was that animals can mourn, animals can empathise and Dawkins wrong about Nature.

    The second part was about the role of women in the church. For once the ABC allowed the traditional view to be presented by an informed woman who made a good case. She was, most surprisingly, an Anglican.

  60. John Constantine

    Days best joke.

    Chicom billionaire developer donor has his visa revoked.

    He demands his donations to Australia’s quisling oligarchs Class be returned because it was too early to be open about them.

    Good luck getting your money back from Australia’s corruptocracy.

    Comrade Maaaaaaate.

  61. Dr Faustus

    People smugglers’ friend, Kerryn Phelps, backfilling for when the refugee trade starts up again:

    Prof Kerry Phelps AM @drkerrynphelps
    Boats never stopped trying to get here. If any boat arrives between now and Election Day it will be a failure of Operation Soverign Borders. Boat turn backs and tow backs are an effective deterrent. #auspol #insiders @InsidersABC #FactsOverboard

    She’s right, of course, that any boat arrival will be a failure of Sovereign Borders. But she deliberately misses the point that the chances of failure is a function of the frequency of departures of boats.

    The Parliamentary Library tells us that the number of boat turn backs steadily decreased since the Abbot Government reintroduced the policy in 2013:

    2014: 11;
    2015: 9;
    2016: 6;
    2017: 3;
    2018: 1.

    This decline is due to fewer refugees departing due to all ‘pull causes’, turn back efficiency, but also the integrity of the offshore detention/processing policy that eliminates the incentive.

    Phelps and her new parliamentary BFF’s are absolutely clear-sighted that the Bill will increase the number of departures, the risk at sea to the refugees, and the risk/cost/dislocation of new sea-borne arrivals into the system – and enrich the people smugglers.

  62. John Constantine

    How many people’s liberation army billionaire property developer Landsharks can Australia’s craven wormtongue political class stitch up, before the Tyrant of all the chicoms responds with a tariff on Australia’s billion dollar barley grain trade?.

    Australia’s oligarch looting cartel will happily see a billion dollar trade shut down if it means they get away with keeping their own personal thousand dollar brown paper bags of cash.

    Comrades.

  63. Old School Conservative

    Last nights videos posted here led me circuitously to a very funny comedian I’d never heard of.
    Tim Hawkins.
    A Christian whose comedy doesn’t contain swear words, he’d never be welcome ay the Melbourne Comedy Festival.
    I liked Atheist Mega Church and Santa joined the Mafia. and he has a lot of excellent humour on YouTube.

  64. Roger

    Phelps and her new parliamentary BFF’s are absolutely clear-sighted that the Bill will increase the number of departures, the risk at sea to the refugees, and the risk/cost/dislocation of new sea-borne arrivals into the system – and enrich the people smugglers.

    Yes, but it makes them feel good about themselves.

  65. effectively a ban on steel. What will we use to build our wind turbines?

    The alternative to coking coal is to use natural gas.
    No one could possibly be stupid enough to ban extraction of natural gas.

    Err.. hang on …

  66. Top Ender

    55 years today since the Melbourne-Voyager collision, the most costly peacetime disaster in terms of lives lost for the Navy…click the link for the story.

    https://www.faaaa.asn.au/voyager-disaster-remembered/

  67. Elle

    Saw Kerryn Phelps with her wife this morning walking through Woollahra. They were dressed up. Wondered if they were off to church.

  68. Roger

    For once the ABC allowed the traditional view to be presented by an informed woman who made a good case. She was, most surprisingly, an Anglican.

    Anglican Evangelicals and Anglo-Catholics – on opposite ends of the Anglican spectrum – tend to be Biblical and traditional on this question.

  69. Saw Kerryn Phelps with her ‘wife’….

  70. egg_

    Landline – farmers with biochar – burning wood for ‘clean’ bio energy
    Clean wood?

  71. Elle

    I assumed they were married. Maybe they aren’t.

  72. OldOzzie

    Andrew Cuomo Announces Loss of Billions in Tax Revenue, Looks for Others to Blame

    This is an object lesson for many on the left who feel the rich are a static group they can always depend upon to soak for more funds at their own discretion. The concept is that there is no fluidity in the options of the wealthy, and they will always be there. Andrew was met with a stark reality.

    Cuomo painfully admitted he would now need to cut the state budget as a result of the loss of wealthy residents. The top 1% of New York’s wage earners supply 46% of the income tax revenue. Target them, and some will seek out tax havens elsewhere. Cuomo, of course, looked to place the blame elsewhere.

    Also lost on the Governor is the rare argument he is making here; he is upset that the rich are unable to make a tax witholding. That is something he, and numerous other Democrats (such as the Representative from his state, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez) frequently complain about in speeches. The rich are always demonized for “not paying their fair share” (I return to the 1%/46% ratio mentioned earlier), but now select Democrats are calling for the rich to be granted the chance to have more tax cuts made available.

    The Governor also seemed strained to say that the solution was not to go after more of the wealthy income earners, because that would exacerbate the flight of those tax payers, and looking at solutions. “I don’t believe raising taxes on the rich. That would be the worst thing to do. You would just expand the shortfall,” he said.

    “God forbid if the rich leave,” he said, mournfully. It boggles to actually hear those words escaping his lips. But, welcome to the tax party Andrew. Better late than never.

  73. egg_

    I can’t help but notice the gender imbalance on the couch. Our ABC – poor form!

    The couch collective’s weigh balance overrides gender?
    Farr and Middleton are counterweights?

  74. lotocoti

    Phelps and her new parliamentary BFF’s are absolutely clear-sighted that the Bill will increase the number of departures, the risk at sea to the refugees, and the risk/cost/dislocation of new sea-borne arrivals into the system

    Phelps and Co might benefit from a month or two body-bagging floaters.

  75. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    55 years today since the Melbourne-Voyager collision, the most costly peacetime disaster in terms of lives lost for the Navy…click the link for the story.

    They all went to great lengths to cover up the fact that the Captain of HMAS Voyager may, or may not have, been fit to command a toy boat in the bath…

  76. Roger

    NZ criminal can’t be deported because it would deprive his children of access to their their indigenous culture.

    Under that rubric we should send all Sudanese refugee families back to South Sudan.

  77. stackja

    Melbourne scores first win of season, Collingwood held to equal-lowest score in AFLW history
    Sam Edmund, Herald Sun
    February 9, 2019 10:00pm
    Subscriber only

    Collingwood’s happy homecoming became a house of horrors on Saturday after the Pies were held to the equal-lowest score in AFLW history.

    Returning to Victoria Park for the competition’s historic debut match, Collingwood made some unwelcome history in a 3.8 (26) to 1.3 (9) loss to Melbourne.

    The Pies’ final score tied the lowest score mark set by Greater Western Sydney in a game in which they were brushed aside by the Demons.

    Collingwood’s only goal came with four minutes left when Sarah Dargan soccered one through from the goalsquare, sparing the Pies from becoming the only AFLW side to finish a game goalless.

  78. egg_

    effectively a ban on steel. What will we use to build our wind turbines?

    They use inferior imported Chinese steel full of impurities.

    What could go wrong?

  79. bespoke

    mh, look for a built Nigella Lawson type gal in a blue uniform. Weapon positioned on a voluptuous hip, baton dangling, handcuffs and taser at hand.
    Police float.

    So what does the uniform represent? Authority and neutral application of the law or the gender and sexual orientation of the person wearing it?

    I don’t think you can have both.

  80. egg_

    It takes 600 kilograms of coal to make one ton of steel and Australian coking coal is considered some of the world’s best.

    OneSteel has a global patent with UNSW? using car tyres in a polymer in their arc furnaces.

  81. egg_

    Massive snowstorm buries the Northwest in as much as TWO FEET of snow, leaving 50,000 people without power and canceling 200 flights – and there’s still more on the way

    More Gore Effect?

    Gore brings snow, whereas Flannery fills dams.

  82. egg_

    I don’t think you can have both.

    Oxymorons are standard fare in the Leftoid parallel clown universe?

  83. Top Ender

    Melbourne-Voyager was taught in Leadership Studies when I was lecturing at the Naval College in Jervis Bay.

    IIRR one of the studies concerned a Chief Petty Officer (one of the highest non-commissioned ranks) who didn’t sound the collision alarm on Melbourne as it bore down on the destroyer. His defence was he wasn’t told to do it. It led into some interesting analysis of moral courage and initiative.

    Another Chief who did display great leadership was Chief Petty Officer Jonathan Rogers. He’d already been awarded the Distinguished Service Medal for ‘coolness and leadership’ under enemy fire during an action off Dunkirk in WWII. He was trapped in the forward section of Voyager, which had been cut in half by the bow of the carrier. Most of those trapped with him could not get through a small access hatch. He led the escape attempts, calmed those trapped, and led them in singing hymns as the forward half slowly settled deeper into the sea, before suddenly sinking.

    Rogers was awarded the George Medal. We renamed the classrooms of RANC when I was there, and my campaign to have one named Classroom Rogers was successful. What a man!

  84. stackja

    Donald J. Trump
    ‏Verified account
    @realDonaldTrump
    2 hours ago

    I think it is very important for the Democrats to press forward with their Green New Deal. It would be great for the so-called “Carbon Footprint” to permanently eliminate all Planes, Cars, Cows, Oil, Gas & the Military – even if no other country would do the same. Brilliant!

  85. dopey

    ABC: Berlin Wall was ” divisive “

  86. ABC: Berlin Wall was ” divisive “

    Huh?
    Does the ABC realise who actually built it?

  87. Woolfe

    Just spoke to my son about Jordan Peterson in Perth last night.

    Mixed crowd mainly younger which was good, no sign of any protestors.

    He spoke for nearly 2.5 hours and there was a lot to take in. Lots of people literally on the edge of their seat listening and taking it in. He said some of the stuff spoken about he agreed with and other not so much but did not elaborate (probably cleaning his room). What he did say was his intelligence literally lit up the room, all in all probably worth it but who knows when someone communicates in grunts, as you might gather it is very difficult to get much out of him!

  88. Memoryvault

    Morning all.

    Elle, I think I must have scored some of the same batch of “off” Shiraz.
    (But wasn’t it fun at the time).

    MD, I prefer the Dean Martin method of avoiding hangovers.

  89. Bill Thompson

    Outside Insiders – Phil Coorey inbound

    https://youtu.be/oKvHaFEY2qg

  90. Tom

    ABC: Berlin Wall was ” divisive “

    Thanks, Dopey. Laughed out loud.

    Do the Stalinists at the ABC understand the last 2000 years of human history? Oh, that’s right, they’re trying to erase it.

  91. Dr Faustus

    The alternative to coking coal is to use natural gas.

    OneSteel has a global patent with UNSW? using car tyres in a polymer in their arc furnaces.

    Neither has any real application to making large scale primary iron. Apart from providing heat and a reducing atmosphere, metallurgical coke physically supports the charge of iron ore and flux within the blast furnace and allows all the smelting goodness to take place.

    Direct reduction processes based on gas – such as BHP’s amazingly successful HBI project – appear to have bright Green credentials, but struggle in terms of technical efficiency, safety and economics.

    So, we will probably see much more of it in the future.

  92. C.L.

    Heavyweight endorsement for Ocasio-Cortez:

    Donald J. Trump✔@realDonaldTrump
    I think it is very important for the Democrats to press forward with their Green New Deal. It would be great for the so-called “Carbon Footprint” to permanently eliminate all Planes, Cars, Cows, Oil, Gas & the Military – even if no other country would do the same. Brilliant!

  93. Peter

    Any relation to Cortez the Conquistador?

  94. Memoryvault

    Viewing the ABC news and current affairs shows reminds me of another
    informative, instructive, deeply researched ABC program.

  95. JC

    Everyone see Bernie and occasional- cortex’s expression when agent orange said the US would never become a socialist country?

    It was gold.

  96. Boambee John

    Socrates at the Pub
    #2929694, posted on February 10, 2019 at 12:23 pm
    ABC: Berlin Wall was ” divisive “

    Huh?
    Does the ABC realise who actually built it?

    Or that the Berlin Wall, and the Iron Curtain before it, were built to keep people in, so that they could not become refugees from the “joys” of communism?

    Trump’s wall is to keep people from migrating to participate in capitalism. Their ABC should be big supporters.

  97. Memoryvault

    Coking coal is not “burned” as part of the process of melting iron ore – that is, as a heating source.
    It is incorporated in the blast furnace process to provide high purity carbon necessary to make steel.
    To make steel of ‘X’ quality, you need to provide ‘Y’ amount of carbon in the mix.
    Gas has a much lower yield of carbon than coking coal.
    Therefore you need to incorporate a helluva lot more of it (in quantity) to make a certain amount of steel of the same quality.

    In either case the amount of “durdy carbon” (CO2) finding it’s way into the atmosphere is the same.

  98. egg_

    In either case the amount of “durdy carbon” (CO2) finding it’s way into the atmosphere is the same.

    Yup, just supplanting one fossil fuel with another.
    Looks like we’re not running out of any in the near future, either.

  99. JC

    He can’t stand her.

    Donald J. Trump

    Today Elizabeth Warren, sometimes referred to by me as Pocahontas, joined the race for President. Will she run as our first Native American presidential candidate, or has she decided that after 32 years, this is not playing so well anymore? See you on the campaign TRAIL, Liz!
    27,525 replies 18,697 retweets 84,187 likes

  100. Snoopy

    In either case the amount of “durdy carbon” (CO2) finding it’s way into the atmosphere is the same.

    Yes but gas isn’t black so there’s that.

  101. Mark from Melbourne

    Great read from Roger Underwood.

    Well, it probably would be if it were readable…. but as it is all in tiny italics, it is pretty much a wall of squiggles.

    Areff, your new format, good though it is, really suffers from your quoted text being (a) italic and (b) smaller than the regular text. Please get someone to have a quick fiddle with your CSS to fix this. It sh ould only take about 12 nanoseconds and would vastly improve the readability of the site.

  102. Woolfe

    BHP’s HBI plant was shut down because there were a couple of fatalities. Not going to look it up but story is a couple of union members employees opened a door that was labelled under no circumstances open when plant in operation, when the plant was in operation.

    They should have sold the plant to a contractor and we would now be shipping out 99% pure briquettes instead we are shipping out rocks with 68% iron. The dumb country.

  103. Rockdoctor

    Morning (oops afternoon now), just perusing Judge Flanagan’s reasoning & some commentary. Apparently can only be appealed on point of law according to some who are probably better versed than I in this field. OK Gladys over to you if this is the case.

    On another point talking to taxi driver last night on the way back up the to upper Hunter. 8 seats up this way are ALP, 1 so called “Independant” and the other 2 are National held. Looking at the numbers & listening to the Taxi driver I’d say those 2 Nat’s seat will be in play as their vote will be canabalised by One Nation. Whether we like it or not looks like another corrupt ALP Government on the way for NSW if this is a snapshot of the rest of NSW. Long & short; a chunk of people don’t like what they are seeing from Photios’s ALP lite Party and voting with their feet relegating it to an unelectable status.

  104. Stimpson J. Cat

    I’m glad you came to your senses and called off the Catallaxy Boycott, Divestment, and Sanctions Campaign Elle.

    Welcome Back!!!

  105. Mark, agree about Quadrants formatting – terrible. Get rid of the italics pls.
    On a PC + is your friend.

    For Quadrant, my phone it is more readable than on the PC.

  106. Bill Thompson

    Outside Insiders – On the show this morning, they included a video grab of Josh Freydenberg at a presser, referring to Bill Shorten’s relative lack of interest in oversight agency failures in the Trio Capital case – the largest superannuation fraud in history – which occurred and/or was investigated when Shorten was Minister for Superannuation! I’m very interested in this case because I attended a meeting in Sydney, in 2012, with Trio victims, in order to brief Shorten, then Minister for Superannuation, as well as Greg Medcraft, then head of ASIC, and Ross Jones, from APRA, about failures by ASIC, APRA, the ATO & the AFP, to protect Aussies from the offshore scammers responsible. I never heard another word from the Minister or the agency honchos.

    Thnx to Annika Smethurst for chatting briefly this morning & taking a hardcopy of the briefing paper I personally delivered to Shorten, et al. If any readers are interested in seeing a copy, too, pls contact me via “[email protected]” & I’ll email you a copy.

    https://youtu.be/zwbdND5Xx7k

  107. JB of Sydney/Shanghai

    For the Cats enquiring why Australian singers use an American accent when singing…

    Australia’s beautiful Dami Im is a step ahead of the pack. Here she is is, from around the 1.30 mark, singing in Mandarin she learnt for the song.

  108. calli

    Welcome home last nights comebacks! 😂

  109. Memoryvault

    Truly lovely, thanks, JB of Sydney/Shanghai.

    The notion that Australian singers sing with an American accent is not altogether true anyway.
    Australia’s most internationally famous group never bothered.
    And they did pretty well.

  110. Memoryvault

    Welcome home last nights comebacks!

    And where were you when Elle and I needed some company in the wee hours, young lady?

  111. C.L.

    For the Cats enquiring why Australian singers use an American accent when singing…

    I give major credit to Frente for singing in her native accent. I always thought she was a cutie, as well.
    A shame the irritating Kasey Chambers didn’t do the same. Her yank twang is ridiculous.

  112. Memoryvault

    It was a great night, MV.

    It was indeed, Elle.
    And with any sort of luck none of the other Cats will scroll back to read it.

  113. Elle

    Annika looked good. She just needs a wee lesson on matching colours.

  114. Elle

    It was indeed, Elle.
    And with any sort of luck none of the other Cats will scroll back to read it.

    I hope not, but me thinks regulars here do.
    I think I posted something naughty. It was late. Shades of Vikings. Love it though. I don’t apologize.

  115. Elle

    Good afternoon, Stimpson.
    In Hebrew, to ask someone how they are, we say Ma shlomcha? Shlomcha means ‘your peace’. In Jewish thinking it is important to live in a state of peace. So, how is your state of peace at this time?

  116. Memoryvault

    I think I posted something naughty. It was late. Shades of Vikings.

    Yes Elle, I think you are right.
    If memory serves it started a deep and meaningful discussion on classic literature.

  117. Elle

    Good afternoon, Stimpson.
    In Hebr*w, to ask someone how they are, we say Ma shlomcha? Shlomcha means ‘your peace’. In J*wish thinking it is important to live in a state of peace. So, how is your state of peace at this time?

  118. mh

    Behind the Scenes, It’s Clear Chicago Media and Police Doubt Jussie Smollett’s Story

    I can’t recall a large crime story where there was a bigger gap between what the police and media are saying publicly, and what they expressing behind the scenes, than the saga involving the recent alleged hate crime against actor Jussie Smollett. Similarly, there may not be a story where you can tell more by what has not happened, in comparison to what actually has occurred.

    The current public stance of the Chicago police is that earlier this month, at 2 a.m. on a very cold Chicago night, Smollett was the victim of what appears to be a heinous hate crime where he was physically attacked by two men, and humiliated due to his race, homosexuality, and possibly his opposition to President Donald Trump. The Chicago media, in official reports, has largely treated that narrative as legitimate, while chronicling the complete lack of suspects and corroborating evidence as more of a frustration than any indication that something else might be going on here.

    Behind the scenes, however, based on conversations I have had with multiple people covering the story, there is a radically different take on what really did happen to Smollett. In short, there is near unanimity among police sources that Smollett’s story is very likely not true. And that even the media outlets still regurgitating the current “party line” don’t really believe it.

    In my experience, most people are very bad at reading the tea leaves in these types of situations, and it often leads to very inaccurate interpretations of what is really going on. This case has several important elements which, if you know what to look for, make evaluating the actions of the police and news media really rather easy.

    The first thing you need to understand about this situation is that, because of Smollett’s persona and the nature of his allegation, no one in law enforcement or the news media wants any part of publicly questioning his story. Everyone knows that if they make any sort of negative implication against a black, gay, liberal, celebrity, victim of a horrible hate crime, that they will be roundly and severely attacked, regardless of whether they turn out to be correct.

    As a conservative, I look at this as his Political Correctness Force Field. Smollett’s protection here is literally about as strong as it gets, especially in Chicago, a city that has a large black population and is extremely liberal.

    So, in this hyper-sensitive media environment, any sort of deviation from the accepted storyline by the police or the news media, much like if your seven-year-old kid is showing subtle signs they no longer believe in Santa Claus, must be given exponentially greater significance than it normally would. Here, both the police and news media in Chicago have provided plenty of those types of veiled indications, both publicly and privately.

    Among other things, the police have made it very clear they have not yet found any proof of an attack, despite having almost all of Smollett’s movements on surveillance video. They have disclosed that Smollett would not give over his cell phone to verify his timeline of events. They even published photos of “persons of interest” that they had to know were going to be universally mocked for being obviously irrelevant.

    In my view, none of those important revelations would have been made public in the way that they were, unless there was extreme suspicion within the police force that Smollett’s story was not fully accurate.

    By extension, media figures would not be being told by their police sources, as I have been told is currently happening both routinely and with vigor, that the authorities are acting on the assumption that they will never find any evidence to fully substantiate Smollett’s story. This isn’t just happening via idle speculation either, the police are doing so with great specificity, even including an alternative theory for what really happened (current attempts to find the origin of the rope found around Smollett’s neck long after the event was over are believed to be the most likely game-changer, if there ever is one in this case).

    As for the Chicago media, a couple of local television reporters are apparently using Twitter as a confessional for information about the case that their stations currently fear to air. Rob Elgas of the Chicago ABC affiliate, and Rafer Weigel of the Fox station (which carries Smollett’s show Empire) have continually updated the developments, or lack thereof, in a way that paints a much different picture from the one that viewers would see on an actual newscast.

    It is very obvious that if one major news outlet in Chicago had the guts to be the first to openly discredit Smollett’s story, the others would soon follow the leader. But because the risk of being wrong in this situation (see Smollett’s PC Force Field), there is just no incentive to take that dive until and unless the police finally make a definitive statement.

    I have written previously about my skepticism about the case, and speculated that this story would quickly disappear because there is no way it would get conclusively solved, and no one in authority will have any appetite for the perils of debunking a story from someone like Smollett. However, Weigel tweeted out some rather candid thoughts yesterday which gave me slight hope that maybe we will actually get to the truth of this matter (though, if that truth is indeed as those closest to the story suspect that it is, the news cycle created by that shocking disclosure will probably be exceedingly short).

    John Ziegler is a senior columnist for Mediaite.

    https://www.mediaite.com/online/behind-the-scenes-its-clear-chicago-media-and-police-doubt-jussie-smollets-story/

  119. Memoryvault

    I think it was about the kind of ships Odysseus was sailing in, in Homer’s “Iliad” and “Odyssey”.
    Or something like that.

  120. Stimpson J. Cat

    So, how is your state of peace at this time?

    My mind is as smooth and tranquil as my gloriously glimmering bald pate, reflecting the radiant rays of a respectful sun,
    thanks for asking.

    😁

  121. areff

    Well, it probably would be if it were readable…. but as it is all in tiny italics, it is pretty much a wall of squiggles.

    I won’t go into the problems we’ve had with the developers who “updated” Quadrant. Suffice to say what little hair I have left is heading for the exit lounge. Two months now I’ve been trying to get them to make comments “nest” as was formerly the case.

    What site visitors can do in the meantime is make the font larger on their screens. In Firefox, it’s simple: just click the + in the menu, top right corner.

    Very keen to find a WordPress expert who can act as a “site shepherd” and help fix all the countless things the developers got wrong and are in no hurry to fix. Indeed, I often wonder if they’re dragging their feet on purpose.

    WordPress experts, especially those who don’t expect to get rich, should get in touch.

  122. C.L.

    Quadrant shouldn’t have comments.
    It’s too august a journal to go down that route.

  123. bespoke

    WordPress experts, especially those who don’t expect to get rich, should get in touch

    Would have jumped in years ago areff but all that’s forgotten along with my home phone number.

  124. Elle

    That’s good to hair, Stimpson. 😉

  125. EvilElvis

    BHP’s HBI plant was shut down because there were a couple of fatalities.

    Aptly nicknamed the ‘Death Star’ because of it. A few blokes went down during construction as well if I remember correctly.

    Was impressively demolished down into Bunnings bbq plates. You’re right though, Woolfe. Should have been sold running.

  126. Memoryvault

    I have a mountain of stuff to prepare for next week, but I need a day off from all that.
    So in honour of Elle’s return I’ve decided to consider it “The Day of First Fruits” instead.

    Well, it’s as good as any excuse to slack off and do nothing** for a day.

    .
    Except the ‘necessary’ stuff of course.
    That is, to eat, drink and be merry.

  127. Old Lefty

    Of course the ABC and Fairfax worker Soviets are eight behind Sally McManus and her claims to a right to selective obedience to the law (though she needn’t worry with the selective enforcement applied in Yarragrad). But flop the switch to the seal of confession and any resistance is proof positive that all churches need to be burned to the ground.

  128. Old Lefty

    Sorry – ‘right’ behind. The other option will be to convert churches to political reeducation centres or konky knocking shops – which the left already seems to have started in Canberra.

  129. Elle

    MV,
    I think it was something about an erotic novel published in 1954 by French author Anne Desclos under the pen name Pauline Réage, and published in French by Jean-Jacques Pauvert.

  130. John Constantine

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/feb/08/give-back-my-money-banned-billionaire-huang-xiangmo-hits-out-at-political-parties

    Academics with expertise in China’s foreign influence operations have told US Congress and the Australian parliament that the reunification council has strong links to the Chinese Communist party. Huang flatly denied this in his statement, saying the council and its regional equivalent “are neither affiliated with, nor funded by, any foreign governments”.

    The council promotes China’s policies on Tibet and Taiwan and its vision of One China.

    Huang said Australia’s domestic spy agency, Asio, had cited his involvement in the council as a reason for blocking his visa. But Huang said the council’s One China stance was in line with Australia’s own foreign policy.

  131. Memoryvault

    The two lots of fatalities at BHPB’s pellet plant was the opening round of a series of deaths that nearly led to cancelling of their mining lease licence in 2009 – 2010.

    It is what I was working on in August 2010 when I had my first heart attack/stroke and was airlifted to Perth in a coma by the RFDS.

    Happy days.

    Interesting sidenote: You don’t get any frequent flyer points for traveling with the RFDS.
    Must be a budget airline.

  132. hzhousewife

    Looks like we’re not running out of any in the near future, either.

    It was quoted to me in discussion with a young person last week that “we only have enough coal for a hundred years” – the topic was Australias energy, so I assume the person meant in Australia. Is this so?

  133. Memoryvault

    FFS Doomlord.
    Fix the bloody spaminator.

  134. areff

    Have just stripped the copy, turned it into txt and relaid it in the publishing form. Still italic, for no apparent reason.

    Doesn’t go ital in preview or in the publish wizzywig. Just for the public.

    FMD. It’s enough to make a man turn to drink and drugs.

  135. “we only have enough coal for a hundred years”

    Missing a zero and should start with ‘2’

    2000 years

  136. Memoryvault

    FMD. It’s enough to make a man turn to drink and drugs.

    You mean you need a reason?
    How quaint.

  137. Memoryvault

    Nah, couldn’t have been, Elle.
    That would be far too risque for this staid publication.
    It would never get past the online censor.

  138. Mitch M.

    Want to live forever? You just have to make it to 2050

    Not unlike previous comments I have made but I’m more cautious and appreciate that we typically and often seriously under-estimate how long it will take to get the job done. Hey I’ve been on projects. 🙂 Without a gazillion nanobots with thousands of different types for detecting problems immortality cannot happen.

  139. Memoryvault

    I’ll try again, with one alteration in italics:

    The two lots of fatalities at BHPB’s cheesecake plant was the opening round of a series of deaths that nearly led to cancelling of their mining lease licence in 2009 – 2010.

    It is what I was working on in August 2010 when I had my first heart attack/stroke and was airlifted to Perth in a coma by the RFDS.

    Happy days.

    Interesting sidenote: You don’t get any frequent flyer points for traveling with the RFDS.
    Must be a budget airline.

  140. Elle

    Arky, I subscribed to your site, which is apparently linked to a US site. The monthly amount was taken out. Then I noticed one cent amounts being taken out in under a month of subscribing. What’s that about? Have unsubscribed until I understand what is going on. Sorry.

  141. immortality cannot happen

    Due to human error, error, error, error …
    And RF’s inaccessible CSS.

  142. cohenite

    Australia holds an estimated 1,095 year supply of brown coal and 110 years of black coal reserves (thermal not coking).

  143. hzhousewife

    Thanks Cohenite.
    I imagine gas is pretty unlimited.
    We should get going on nuclear then, asap.

  144. JC

    Australia holds an estimated 1,095 year supply of brown coal and 110 years of black coal reserves (thermal not coking).

    Assuming what level of consumption, Cronkite?

  145. Stimpson J. Cat

    immortality cannot happen.

    Good.
    We don’t deserve it.
    And besides, curing male pattern baldness is far more important.

  146. cohenite, it depends (as always) how you play the numbers.
    e.g. I know of one NSW mine that operates 24 x 7, who are shipping it out as fast as possible. They have 2200 years of coal to go, at current rate of extraction.
    It also depends on whether you count reserves in now closed, old tech mines that were once considered unprofitable.

  147. Arky

    Arky, I subscribed to your site, which is apparently linked to a US site. The monthly amount was taken out. Then I noticed one cent amounts being taken out in under a month of subscribing. What’s that about? Have unsubscribed until I understand what is going on. Sorry.

    ..
    Interesting.
    I have no control over the billing, or access to any of your payment processing, of course.
    Could you ask Subscribe Star what is going on and get back to me?
    Some big names are using it, like Sargon, however, I am going to ensure my subscriptions to other creators there are via a card that is capped at a small amount. Missus is onto this as we speak.

  148. mh

    Stimpson J. Cat
    #2929763, posted on February 10, 2019 at 2:26 pm

    What sort of festival is that? I can see the US flags waving. It does look epic.

  149. Memoryvault

    Australia holds an estimated 1,095 year supply of brown coal and 110 years of black coal reserves (thermal not coking).

    That would be “proven reserves” Cohenite.
    It’s probably only a drop in the ocean of the total amount.

  150. Not as simple as you think:

    demonstrated reserves vs estimated reserve base vs recoverable reserves at current mines.

    Fair to assume that we get better at recovery in the future.
    The reason for the higher brown coal figures is that it is relatively close the surface.

  151. Tel

    Coking coal is not “burned” as part of the process of melting iron ore – that is, as a heating source.

    So what do you think makes the blast furnace get hot then?

  152. Arky

    We need to encourage independent creators of content online, or else we will be stuck with the mainstream media whores. Who have proven themselves to be lying weasels.
    I have done this by going to see these creators of videos live whenever they come to Australia.

  153. And in passing I note that Ostraya has about 14% of the world’s current supply.

  154. The coke/char acts as
    1. source of CO for ripping the oxygen atoms from the iron,
    2. heat
    3. carbon (and other trace stuff) to make steel

    http://www.chemistryexplained.com/St-Te/Steel.html

    gives a brief overview and history.

    Where is BoN when you need him?

  155. ArthurB

    Shock horror!! “Australia’s Most Important Writer” is being held in detention on Manus Island, even though he has won an important literary prize in the People’s Democratic Republic of Victoriastan. However, people overseas are now aware of what is happening, so be prepared for the activists to start campaigning on his behalf. Anyway – when Labor wins the next election, he is sure to be allowed to enter Australia, where he will be overwhelmed with offers to attend Writers’ Festivals etc.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/08/opinion/australia-behrouz-boochani-victorian-prize.html
    BTW – who is Richard Cooke?

  156. Steve trickler

    These people were lucky enough to capture this exercise on camera. Lucky them. You wouldn’t forget this in a hurry.

    Great show.👍



  157. 2C + O2 → 2 CO
    3CO + Fe2O3 → 2Fe + 3CO2

  158. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    We need one here, surrounded by mirrors, for the narcissists who post solely to say ‘look at moi’

    Oh, and which girls would that be, Nick? Has to be girls of course, because this is a menstrual tent we are talking about. Nothing wrong with mirrors, by the way. Get one yourself and take a look in it. You might begin to see something of the miserybags that we see when you go on and on like this.

    Elle, 50 Shades of Vikings last night was hilarious.
    The success of Vikings and of Fifty Shades both need to be sent up.
    Brilliantly combined in your link. 🙂

  159. cohenite

    Assuming what level of consumption

    Current; offsetting any expansion in consumption are further discoveries and increases in known reserves plus new technology; simply put the hotter you burn coal the more energy you get from the same quantity. If you increase that efficiency by 50 – 100% you’ve effectively doubled the reserves.

  160. Bushkid

    Oh, and which girls would that be, Nick? Has to be girls of course, because this is a menstrual tent we are talking about.

    No, no, no, NO! Lizzie!

    You should know by now that men can have periods too, and how dare you assume the gender of anyone who says they are having a period! Good grief, woman (OK, I’m assuming here – tongue very firmly in cheek), keep up!

  161. Tel

    If you see unauthorized transactions (even a few cents) on your credit card you should be reporting back to the bank. Unfortunately they will probably force you to get a new card which is inconvenient.

    Obviously … if your card number has been pinched, then unsubscribing would be a completely useless gesture.

  162. About 1200BC it was known that “Placing the iron back in burning charcoal seemed to make it harder and stronger.”

    It this age of idiocracy, I’m prepared to bet that very few people know how to make steel.
    I would love to know the percentage of the worlds population that knows how to make steel.

  163. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Anyway – when Labor wins the next election, he is sure to be allowed to enter Australia

    Writer’s cramp. The diagnosis writes itself. 🙂

  164. Elle

    Could you ask Subscribe Star what is going on and get back to me?

    Will do, sweet cheeks.

  165. Memoryvault

    So what do you think makes the blast furnace get hot then?

    I didn’t say it wsn’t burned, Tel.
    Neither did I say it didn’t generate the heat.
    I said the primary reason we use black coking coal (in fact the very reason it is called “coking” coal), was to provide the carbon to turn the iron into steel.

    “Coking coal” is reduced by heat, in the absence of oxygen, to produce what is referred to as metallurgical coke. This is what is fed into the blast furnace. The blast furnace burns the coke and the carbon, initially in the form of carbon monoxide, becomes part of the end product.

    If all we wanted was to heat the iron ore to melt it, we could burn any number of products. In fact it can be done without burning anything at. There is, or at leaast was, a pilot plant doing exactly that with a high voltage electric current, down Kwinana way, south of Perth.

    But if you want steel, you STILL have to add carbon from somewhere.
    High grade black coking coal such as is mined in Australia, is still the most cost efficient method of doing it all, with the added benefit of largely eliminating oxygen from the process end product.

  166. I’m prepared to bet that very few people know how to make steel.

    I’m betting that NO NSW judges could tell you.

  167. areff

    Fun and games in France. Gendarmes blow the hand off one protester in Paris. In Lyon, yellow vests pof the left and right set about each other. And do they what!

    https://twitter.com/alfonslopeztena/status/1094381713306857472

  168. Stimpson J. Cat

    We need one here, surrounded by mirrors, for the narcissists who post solely to say ‘look at moi’

    In my experience, if a Woman does get trapped in a mirror, as is a quite common occurrence in this day and age, walking back and forth in front of her to break her line of sight, or yelling out from another room “Are these brand new Manolos yours? ”
    will typically restore her to some semblance of intelligent humanity.

  169. Elle

    I saw Nick’s comment, Lizzie. He is angry. Let the boy vent.

  170. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    areff, I tried to print out my Arthur article from the Q online site for my archaeologist friend who was staying with us, and it came out far too small to read easily, even though I had it on a bigger size on my PC. I couldn’t find a way to make it bigger when I printed it; but I’m not very competent at these things, and our printer is also crap, so if there is a way could someone please tell me. Hairy is buying us a swish new printer as I speak (more or less).

  171. Elle

    …yelling out from another room…

    Does my bum look big in this …

  172. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Unfortunately they will probably force you to get a new card which is inconvenient.

    Yep. Ten people taking a cent from ten cards is ten cents, ten people taking a cent from one hundred cards is a dollar. Multiply that by as many cents, cards and people as you like and that is a nice little earner indeed.

  173. The reaction to Nick’s moderate words validates his assertion.

  174. egg_

    Feeling pity for the comrades at BoM and their climate change /global warming agenda , its 14 degrees celsius in Melbourne , there is still three weeks of official summer to go this year ,we gave had about three weeks of warm weather and two days above 40, thats a summer?

    Ditto Sydney – a rather mild summer with a bit of rain now and then to keep things green.
    Hence, BoM’s inflation of the mid 30s temps to towards the 40s to fool the proles.

  175. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Just catching up on Outsiders and saw the piece of breaking news re Swastikas all over Bondi and Bondi Junction. Awful. Hope they find those responsible and make them scrub it all off, for a start.

    Then ad for bamboo underwear comes on, reinventing the Y-front. I watched the whole thing.
    A neat little pouch. Well, and isn’t it about time men got some brain attention in that area?
    A bra for men. Containing the ‘readjustment’. Wonderful. I might get Hairy to test drive a pair.
    I wonder if they will bring them out like bras, in sizes. 🙂

  176. Elle

    Just catching up on Outsiders and saw the piece of breaking news re Swastikas all over Bondi and Bondi Junction. Awful. Hope they find those responsible and make them scrub it all off, for a start.

    The irony is that the anti-Semites end up on their knees or at the end of a ladder scrubbing their “artwork” away. Brainless dick heads!

  177. egg_

    The coke/char acts as
    1. source of CO for ripping the oxygen atoms from the iron,
    2. heat
    3. carbon (and other trace stuff) to make steel

    Yup.
    Plus anything that ignores the role of slag atop the (molten steel and interaction with the gases within the) molten steel is an oversimplification.

  178. egg_

    Hence, BoM’s inflated predictions of the mid 30s temps to towards the 40s to fool the proles.

  179. John Constantine

    If you fear australias coal will run out, you can go apply for any number of unclaimed mining leases containing uncounted billions of tonnes of coal.

    Unfortunately this coal is all deep and remote and at current prices is uneconomic to pick up.

    Should coal prices increase, then more deposits become economic to dig,

  180. Tel

    I didn’t say it wsn’t burned, Tel.
    Neither did I say it didn’t generate the heat.

    Yeah that is what you said … go up and read #2929707 above. Maybe you had something else in mind at the time, I can’t be sure.

    “Coking coal” is reduced by heat, in the absence of oxygen, to produce what is referred to as metallurgical coke.

    Yes, I get that … they get rid of the goopy hydrocarbons without losing too much Carbon, usually a small amount of air is allowed in to help burn off those hydrocarbons, but if you are clever you can grab the hydrocarbons out and burn them separately (which is a bit cleaner but probably not worth the effort other than industrial virtue signalling). All that notwithstanding you end up with something that’s close to pure Carbon. No problem so far, coal gets converted to Carbon by cooking out the impurities.

    This is what is fed into the blast furnace. The blast furnace burns the coke and the carbon, initially in the form of carbon monoxide, becomes part of the end product.

    It’s a redox reaction … so most of the Carbon Monoxide ends up collecting Oxygen atoms that transfer across from the Iron Oxide thus making CO2. Almost all the coke turns into CO2 and goes up the chimney stack. See the chemistry above #2929789.

    However, Carbon is slightly soluble in Iron so a little bit of that Carbon ends up dissolved in the pig-iron as an unwanted byproduct (not most of it, just a teensy bit). Despite the naming confusion, what we call “mild steel” is chemically a more pure form of elemental Iron than what gets called “Iron” from a blast furnace. The steel making process requires firstly getting rid of that unwanted additional Carbon (getting as close as possible to pure elemental Iron), and then secondly reintroducing small amounts of various impurities (one of those impurities might be a bit more carbon, depending on the type of steel you want to end up with). All of these products are mostly elemental Iron, plus small amounts of this-n-that. The Coke is all gone, went up the chimney as CO2 … off to make some plant food, mkay?

  181. Tel

    Plus anything that ignores the role of slag atop the (molten steel and interaction with the gases within the) molten steel is an oversimplification.

    Yes, Silicon is a common impurity which also needs to be removed, and if you are enthusiastic you might also consider removing Phospherous. Japanese sword makers used to grind down the cast-iron and feed it through chickens as a Phospherous removal process, which is about the best way to do it if you only have a back yard to work in. Don’t laugh, you will be teaching your grandchildren how to do this in the de-industrialized Australia of the future.

  182. egg_

    Memoryvault
    #2929822, posted on February 10, 2019 at 3:46 pm

    Che?

    As well as the polymers, our arc furnaces use nut coke, and, as others have stated, it’s the first thing to be loaded into the furnace prior to the scrap steel for recycling.

    The “polymer carbon” is patented due to its interaction with the slag – to ignore slag’s role is to betray ones ignorance.

    I had a part in the rewrite of the operations manuals – ladle metallurgy and sampling is where the brain work is done and running the tundish is an art form.

  183. calli

    Thanks for the metallurgy class, fellas.

    It’s what I pop in for. Always something new to learn.

  184. Memoryvault

    Fair enough, Tel.
    I thought I was giving a rough description, in layman’s terms, of the value and market of Australian black coking coal. I didn’t realise we were in fact, presenting a university lecture on advanced metallurgy for a group of budding industrial chemists.

    My bad. Humblest apologies.
    I bow to your superior knowledge and promise to try harder in the future.

  185. Woolfe

    Lizzie,
    Snip it and then save as pdf, view on XODO or any other pdf viewer on ipad / tablet.

  186. calli

    I remember doing Bessemer and the blast furnace at school and knowing all about the process. I wonder if it’s part of the curriculum these days?

    Also about pig iron, tempered steel and practical stuff about rails and carriage wheels and hardness. And how the cooper got the bands on the barrels so tight.

    Also, if you want to look at me, give me warning so I can suck my tummy in. 😀

  187. egg_

    Yes, Silicon is a common impurity which also needs to be removed

    Yup, at the ladle the steel “recipe” is controlled via additives that react with the leftover furnace slag, and removal of gasses avoids pinholing – customers are sent batch samples as proof of the ordered steel recipe.

  188. Woolfe

    OK I’ve created a pdf, email me if you want it , my name at gmail dot com

  189. Stimpson J. Cat

    Just catching up on Outsiders and saw the piece of breaking news re Swastikas all over Bondi and Bondi Junction. Awful. Hope they find those responsible and make them scrub it all off, for a start.

    Are we certain they were Swastikas?
    It can be confusing sometimes.

  190. JC

    Current; offsetting any expansion in consumption are further discoveries and increases in known reserves plus new technology; simply put the hotter you burn coal the more energy you get from the same quantity. If you increase that efficiency by 50 – 100% you’ve effectively doubled the reserves.

    Well say that then, instead of making imprecise, essentially innumerate comments.

  191. Memoryvault

    Also, if you want to look at me, give me warning so I can suck my tummy in.

    We’re all showing our age a bit, Calli.
    But you wear it well.

  192. Nick

    The reaction to Nick’s moderate words validates his assertion.

    It’s no problem IR, there will be a hissy fit, umbrage at nothing and then storming off, any time now.

  193. Memoryvault

    Give it a rest guys.
    Boys will be boys and girls will be girls.
    And vive le difference.

  194. calli

    I’ll see your umbrage and raise you a flounce.

  195. Memoryvault

    And I’ll bet you have a very nice flounce too.

  196. JC

    WSJ’s opinion writer, Kimberley Strassel and Chelsea Clinton look like they were separated at birth.
    https://video.foxnews.com/v/6000071018001/#sp=show-clips

  197. zyconoclast

    With all talk about cobalt & horses, cobalt & batteries

    The only really interesting cobalt is this.
    Beauty in blue! Victoria’s Secret model Shanina Shaik strips down to a cobalt bikini

  198. Nick

    I’ll see your umbrage and raise you a flounce.

    Lol, I’ll pay that.

  199. calli

    No cheek from youse young whippersnippers or it’s off to the high dungeon with yuz.

  200. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Altzheimer’s. Those dirty rotten prions. How come they get to be such an advanced non-life form?

    Interesting article, Mitch. I won’t drop a copy into the Eye Hospital though if Hairy ends up there.
    Imagine the panic!

    We do need to remember that transmission is not necessarily contagion.
    The author does make that point.

  201. JC

    Nick

    No one more “umbraged” than our very own Harksie.

    Which reminds me…

    10,890,371, 10,890 372, 10,890,373…..

    Still waiting for a response, Harksie.

  202. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Prick’s moderate words

    Oops. Sorry. Cut and paste error. 😀

    ————

    Always do that, mess up the cut and paste, but thanks Woolfe for the advice.
    That is Hairy’s response too. Make a PDF of it, his answer to all of my queries.

  203. bespoke

    JC As you no I’m a bit slow and only noticed yesterday you have monty’s picture in your profile. A bit creepy!

  204. Memoryvault

    off to the high dungeon with yuz.

    I thought the claim was that Lady Cats went into high dudgeon.
    After last night I had the impression at least some Lady Cats enjoyed dungeons.

    Maybe we can ask Elle for clarification when she comes back.

  205. JC

    It’s not creepy in the least. Monster’s advertising golfing attire and asked me to include it in my profile. to help sales along. You’re creepy.

  206. zyconoclast

    Do children in two-parent families do better?

    Researchers have been looking at how children from single-parent and two-parent families fare in life. So what did they find?

    Family life is more richly varied than ever before. A growing proportion of parents in the UK choose to live together, rather than getting married.

    And during the past 20 years about one in five children has been growing up in a lone-parent family.

    This reflects big social shifts in attitudes and opportunities, some of which started in the 1960s, when women began to gain more control over when to have children.

    Two large studies in the UK and the US have been following children growing up since about the year 2000.

    They are beginning to provide some evidence suggesting there is a measurable difference in how well children fare on average in single-parent families.

    It’s a deeply sensitive area and the academics involved insist this is not about judging or blaming but rather capturing the challenges some families face when there is one parent.

    Sara McLanahan was a single parent herself for 10 years, after her first marriage ended in divorce.

    In this research, even allowing for economic disadvantage, Prof McLanahan said, data began to show the impact of instability on a child’s life.

    Those whose parents had divorced were more likely to fail to progress at school.

    Children who were in what the researchers characterised as a “fragile family”, where parents were cohabiting or there was a lone parent, were twice as likely not to graduate from high school.

    Prof McLanahan said the data showed that even a child in a stable single-parent household was likely to do worse on some measures than a child of a married couple.

    There is more

  207. JC

    Stimson

    You should be a chain smoker then?

    Nicotine is actually a miracle drug. It’s great. It sharpens the brain wakes you up in the morning and makes you feel good.

    There may be one small issue with nicotine though. It may.. they aren’t sure yet.. but it may introduce pancreatic cancer to the equation. 🙂

  208. Harken Now

    Harrrk lizzie:. A revelation was had last evening re your prose, whenever you try to get serious. It’s like a authorial cross between Dame Edna Everidge and Joseph Conrad, with servings of Mark Bahnisch when you are being “academic”.

    In fact, it is a wonder the large dollops of Edna Everidge-ness in your on line personality has never occurred to people before. Tinta appears to be playing the role of Madge, best we can tell.

    All the best, darl.

    Flutters away again…

    ____ ____
    \___\(**)/___/
    \___| |___/
    L J
    |__|
    vv

  209. Stimpson J. Cat

    You should be a chain smoker then?

    I was.
    Almost every Skitz I know smoked.
    Explains why it was diabolically hard for me to stop.
    But with practice, Will always wins.

  210. JC

    Try vaping. It’s good. I’m back on it with 12 mg e-juice.

  211. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Now, on prose and interest, whose recommendation you do accept, Cats?
    Bernard Cornwell’s, or Harken’s?

    I see he has just disappeared in a self-proclaimed flutter of farts. Suits him.

  212. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Harken has been invited by some on the Cat, including me, to produce some genuine critiques.
    He. Offers. Nothing.
    A troll, not worth engaging with any more.
    We’ve seen him off and hope never to see his like again.

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