Guest post. The Rising Tide of Climate Lunacy

A NSW judge (an ex-solicitor and activist from the Environmental Defenders Office) has stopped development of the small Rocky Hill coking coal mine because the Commonwealth Government has signed the Paris Climate agreement which requires “rapid and deep reduction in GHG emissions”.

Two things are obvious.

Firstly, this delusional decision must be appealed and overturned.

Secondly, Australia must immediately withdraw from the Paris Climate Agreement.

If this decision is not overturned, every development of coal, oil or gas in Australia can be challenged.

But the ominous implications go much further. The sports and tourism industries should be fearful. These industries encourage millions of competitors, visitors, tourists, officials and politicians to use cars, trains, buses, planes and ships to burn hydro-carbon fuels purely for entertainment. Car racing is out, as are new cruise terminals, stadiums, resorts, high rise hotels and fireworks.

Moreover, any new road, rail or airport development will add emissions and must be stopped along with any expansion of the grazing or timber industries and the brewing of beer.

There are some good things – it should mark the end of tax-funded climate jamborees and study tours for politicians – they should stay in their electorates and conduct electronic meetings via their own expensive NBN.

But if they can stop the mining of coking coal this will also stop metal smelting, refining and steel making.

Naturally Adani can expect even more green law-fare barriers.

This decision surely marks the high water mark of climate lunacy.

Viv Forbes

Courtesy of the wreckers who backed Turnbull over Abbott.

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45 Responses to Guest post. The Rising Tide of Climate Lunacy

  1. cuckoo

    But if they can stop the mining of coking coal this will also stop metal smelting, refining and steel making.

    Funny how not even the Greens are crazy enough to call for an end to steel making. But they should, if they really believe the BS they’re spouting.

  2. Beachcomber

    A third more disastrous thing is also obvious:

    Thirdly – Australia’s institutions, including the judiciary, have been completely captured by anti-western global governance Marxists, the fascist left establishment.

    This can’t be overcome without a Trump or Orban to challenge the establishment. Bernardi is attempting a resistance but the ABC-TASS media will exclude the Australian Conservatives from any participation in upcoming elections.

    Venezuela here we come.

  3. Maet

    Attacking a coking coal mine for CO2 emissions is ludicrous.

    Even worse is banning a mine because of a potential “negative” use of the mineral.

    In that case should we ban all uranium mines because they might be used to make nuclear weapons?

  4. Des Deskperson

    Her’s the Linkedin profile of Julie Lyford OAM, Groundswell Gloucester Chair:

    https://www.linkedin.com/in/julie-lyford-oam-82b47b23/

    Groundswell Gloucester is the ‘community organisation’ that mounted the successful challenge to the Rocky Hill mine.

    Lyford was a Greens candidate in the 2016 election. Not surprisingly, Groundswell Gloucester looks like a Greens front organisation!

  5. Bruce of Newcastle

    Keep in mind the climate data shows absolutely no problems on the horizon, if ever. The real world data shows that global temperature hasn’t even been rising for the last two decades on average.

    So this judgement is based on a bald-faced lie. So much for justice in this country.

  6. struth

    This decision surely marks the high water mark of climate lunacy.

    Naïve statement.
    No understanding of the left.

  7. Fred

    Turn off all the lights, computers, heating and air conditioning at all courts and legal chambers.

    Also, close all the car parks. Make judges catch the bus.

    That will help reduce emission.

  8. Dorothy

    An we could well do without Alan Jones from 2GB putting his twopennies worth in . He was bad enough with CSG

  9. On a side note, I don’t quite understand why the name The Saltbush Club was chosen for an organisation that wants to be a foil to the climate movement insanity. To me it just has so many negative connotations.

    What sort of club is this, one for crusty old, white men or what? To paraphrase one of the Marx Brothers ‘I don’t want to be part of any club that would accept me as a member’, is what comes to mind.

  10. thefrollickingmole

    A semi serious idea.

    How about a court “challenge” to everything apparently “impacted’ by climate change.
    really bring it home that air conditioners are banned, meat is banned, cars are banned, flying is banned etc under the green utopia model.

    Starting with pollies junkets.
    Is it possible to dispute a pollies flying entitlements based on carbon damage?
    Even failed cases would attract attention to some of the more deluded ideas.

    Pick famous/political targets from everywhere.

    Make them try and be consistent and show their fangs.

  11. John Bayley

    Keep in mind the climate data shows absolutely no problems on the horizon, if ever.

    But of course that does not matter at all.
    Just like one could say that ‘historical data shows that socialism absolutely does not work’.
    You’re talking ‘data’ and ‘logic’.
    The other side is talking ‘feelz’ and ‘fairness’.
    One is factual, the other is subjective.
    Hence the only viable approach is for the greenies and assorted fellow travellers to be remorselessly ridiculed in the first instance, and, ideally, made to live their own ‘dreams’ whenever possible.
    In other words, no power, no aircon, no cars, no medical care – just like the poor do in Africa and elsewhere.
    Only then may reason be rediscovered.

  12. Damienski

    This decision surely marks the high water mark of climate lunacy.

    Your optimism astounds me, Rafe. The tide of climate lunacy is nowhere near its’ zenith.

  13. Pyrmonter

    Accuracy hasn’t tended to be the Turnbull-haters’ strong point:

    Courtesy of the wreckers who backed Turnbull over Abbott.

    Well, I suggest you inquire of Anthony Roberts, luminary of the NSW Liberal _Right_ why he decided to block the mine: his refusal was the decision under appeal.

    The logic of the case is fault, but it proceeds from a law containing a test of unreviewable uncertainty: the ‘public interest’. So long as right-of-centre governments think their role is simply to keep government in ‘sensible’ hands, rather than rolling back the discretions that pervade and bedevil business, especially at a state level, we remain in that world of administrative socialism whose origins were so well described by Hancock and Shann 80 years ago.

  14. pbw

    The climately insane have discovered paleo-climate; the stuff that Bob Carter talked about for years, and that Ian Plimer still talks about. They’ve finally worked out a way to spin it. This is courtesy of PBS.

  15. stevem

    Anthony Roberts rejected the mine because of its proximity to the town of Gloucester, its visual impact, and contravention of the city’s zoning plans. He didn’t cite greenhouse gasses. You may fault his original denial of the plan, but at least ge wasn’t completely nuts.

  16. Neil

    Funny how not even the Greens are crazy enough to call for an end to steel making. But they should, if they really believe the BS they’re spoutin

    I suspect a lot of people do not know you need carbon to make steel. To make steel you need iron ore + heat + carbon. Coal is great because it provides 2 of those things

  17. This decision surely marks the high water mark of climate lunacy.

    Nope.
    I’ve been monitoring climate lunacy levels for many many years.
    It is clear that we have passed the tipping point.
    We will be inundated.

  18. Genghis

    Just thinkin, if the Labor-Greens (Progressives – now that’s an oxymoron) get their way we WILL go down the Venezu’wailing’ path. And think who could come to our rescue – China. I am not kidding because America has just elected Alexandria OC and if the Democrats get their way China could well own them as well. Remember Alexandria OC wants to bankrupt the USA with a $US40trillion expenditure over 10 years and the world will only survive 12 more years. Now what did Al Gore say about Arctic ice – all gone by 2013. They are all fools!
    Wake up Australia!

  19. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    There’s occasional good news, Rafe. 6500 young women under 35 all affected by climatic madness are apparently desisting from having children due to the terrible future they’ll be growing up in.

    Good. This will be punishment enough for them when the climate madness falls on its face, as it inevitably will, and they sit around in their middle age missing the children they could have had, realizing the only reason they are in this situation is one of their own stupid making.

    I’ve heard of women who desisted having children due to Erlicht’s 1968 predictions of famine and terror made in his book ‘The Population Bomb’. They are feeling a bit sick about that now as their sisters and friends romp with grandchildren. Except for those who compensate by going green around the gills with the new panic.

  20. DaveR

    A fourth thing is obvious:

    Chief Justice Brian Preston should be removed as a judge.

    Not for the social and regional reasons he gave for stopping the mine. But for adding on greenhouse gas emissions and climate change as a further reason.

    Already, Greenpeace-associated “local” groups are preparing challenges to shut existing coal operations on the same grounds.

  21. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Turn off all the lights, computers, heating and air conditioning at all courts and legal chambers.
    Also, close all the car parks. Make judges catch the bus.

    And the stairs. Stop all the lifts suddenly with a gaggle of judges left inside for two hours till rescue.

  22. mem

    In related news as reported in The Guardian, the prominent economist and Reserve Bank board member Ian Harper has warned the Morrison government against pursuing its controversial “big stick” legislation, declaring “overreach” in Australia’s energy sector would likely be harmful. Later in the article he is reported as follows: “He says the powers being proposed in the government’s energy policy overhaul “are neither necessary nor desirable”. Harper says changes to the misuse of market power provisions, which the parliament has now adopted, has given regulators sufficient power to take action if there is anti-competitive behaviour in the energy sector.
    He says competition policy should not discriminate against particular sectors of the economy, and to do so “distorts investment decisions, promoting inefficiency and ultimately harming the interests of consumers”. My question is, isn’t this exactly what is happening because of subsidies to renewable industries and the RET i.e.distortion to the free enterprise energy market. link https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/feb/11/economist-ian-harper-warns-government-energy-big-stick-could-backfire?CMP=share_btn_tw

    ?

  23. Squirrel

    “There are some good things – it should mark the end of tax-funded climate jamborees and study tours for politicians – they should stay in their electorates and conduct electronic meetings via their own expensive NBN.”…….

    There could also be a virtual federal Parliament, with parts, at least, of the Canberra swamp drained – so every cloud does have a silver lining (of sorts).

  24. Augustus Carp

    I’ve heard of women who desisted having children due to Erlicht’s 1968 predictions of famine and terror made in his book ‘The Population Bomb’. They are feeling a bit sick about that now as their sisters and friends romp with grandchildren.

    How delightful. Schadenfreude squared.

  25. duncanm

    Rocky Hill coking coal mine

    I didn’t realise the decision was that stupid.

    Do they even understand what coking coal is ?

    How do they expect to manufacture steel ?

  26. Tel

    I suspect a lot of people do not know you need carbon to make steel. To make steel you need iron ore + heat + carbon. Coal is great because it provides 2 of those things

    You only NEED tiny amounts of Carbon to make steel. For example a mild steel is merely one part in 500 Carbon, and the rest is Iron plus some unwanted impurities (more or less depending on the quality of the process). Although Carbon is the most standard impurity used to harden up Iron, it isn’t a unique choice, there’s other options. In theory you could make a zero-Carbon alloy of Iron very similar in strength to steel (if you wanted to).

    However, Carbon is an excellent source of heat, and also a convenient way to apply a redox reaction to the Iron Oxide, thus reducing it to elemental Iron. There are other ways … for example Bog Iron demonstrates that biological processes can concentrate Iron.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bog_iron

    Unfortunately, not pure enough to use directly without smelting so still requires Carbon for heat and redox. In principle, electricity could be used to strip the Oxygen from the Iron, but then you are left with the problem of what generates the electricity. I’m sure Bruce could tell you half a dozen alternative ways and why they are more expensive than using Carbon.

  27. Tel

    Do they even understand what coking coal is ?

    How do they expect to manufacture steel ?

    Dude, everyone knows where steel comes from. You get hold of this thing called “telephone” and you ring someone in China and tell them how many tonnes of steel you want them to put on the boat for you. We aren’t doing brain rockets here!

  28. Pyrmonter

    @ Rafe, @ Mem

    The government’s ‘big stick’ energy policy will licence left wing politicians to do likewise with areas that concern them for a generation – it is strategic political madness of the sort that could only be dreamt up by a kiss and ride business consultant. It has the very same issues as the NSW enviromental legislation that has given rise to this illogical, but potentially legally ‘correct’ decision. I suggest you have a look at the ‘life experience’ of our current federal Energy Minister. Rumour has it his colleagues can almost all see the problem, but they’ve started down the path and can’t back out.

  29. mem

    pyrmonter says:

    The government’s ‘big stick’ energy policy will licence left wing politicians to do likewise with areas that concern them for a generation – it is strategic political madness of the sort that could only be dreamt up by a kiss and ride business consultant

    My point is that I agree that the big stick energy policy is a major concern. But, given Harper’s reason for objection is that it will interfere with free market competition and ultimately impact on consumers, shouldn’t Harper have also applied his logic to the current situation whereby subsidies to renewables, imposts on coal and preferential treatment of green energy and the RET is distorting the market already. And consumers are already paying through the nose for this absurdity.

  30. Ivan Denisovich

    Naturally Adani can expect even more green law-fare barriers.

    Chris McCormack:

    The public face of the Galilee Blockade campaign is activist Ben Pennings, a Brisbane-based Lord Mayoral candidate. He says: “If you’re in bed with Adani in any major way, you’re a target. … If you’re a major contractor, you’re a target. If you’re providing finance, you’re a target. If you’re looking to provide finance, you’re a target.”

    Intimidation is the name of the game employed by these activist groups in achieving their goals.

    News Weekly has previously revealed that financial backing for the anti-Galilee Basin campaign has come from from U.S. billionaires (“Wikileaks reveals U.S, funding behind anti-coal campaign”, November 5, 2016). The U.S. Sandler Foundation, which received $US1.3 billion from the Sandler family in 2006, was exposed as a major funder of the Sunrise Project, a registered charity with the Australian Tax office.

    In a leaked email, John Hepburn, executive director of the Sunrise Project, thanked Sergio Knaebel of the Sandler Foundation, saying: “Without your support none of this would have happened and the mine might have been half-built by now.

    “… tomorrow afternoon I am going to buy a few bottles of bubbly for a celebration with the EDO [Environmental Defenders Office] legal team, our colleagues at Getup, Greenpeace, 350.org, ECF, Australian Youth Climate Coalition, Mackay Conservation Group, Market Forces and the brilliant and tireless Sunrise team.”

    The well-funded, globally orchestrated campaign against coal has three prime targets. First, to shut 300 coal-fired power stations in the United States. Since 2010, 232 have either closed or been scheduled for retirement and, according to the Sierra Club, one of the groups involved in the anti-coal campaign, activism had stopped another 184 plants from being built.

    Second, to shut down Australia’s coal industry and in particular to halt the development of the Galilee Basin, which would double Australia’s coal exports. Australia is already the world’s largest exporter of coal, which provides thousands of jobs and enormous revenue to this country.

    Third, to stop the building of coal-fired power stations in India. India is a huge consumer of Australian coal in its power plants, providing electricity and lifting millions out of poverty. By closing down coal-fired power plants and preventing the building of new ones in India, the effect will be massively to reduce the demand for Australian coal.

    There are over 600 “environmental” groups listed as having tax deductibility status on the Federal Government’s Register of Environmental Organisations. The Federal Government needs, as a matter of urgency, to investigate what foreign funding is being channelled through these organisations with the express aim of destroying our coal industry.

    http://www.newsweekly.com.au/nwmobile/article.php?id=57593

  31. Neil

    You only NEED tiny amounts of Carbon to make steel. For example a mild steel is merely one part in 500 Carbon

    I did not know that This link says it can be as high as 2%

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_steel

    Carbon steel is a steel with carbon content up to 2.1% by weight

    Anyway you need carbon from somewhere to make steel. They used to make steel with wood as the carbon source

  32. cohenite

    pbw

    #2930731, posted on February 11, 2019 at 3:23 pm

    The climately insane have discovered paleo-climate; the stuff that Bob Carter talked about for years, and that Ian Plimer still talks about. They’ve finally worked out a way to spin it. This is courtesy of PBS.

    Yeah, the temperature in the PETM rose before CO2 levels did. Pity about that.

  33. cohenite

    Anthony Roberts rejected the mine because of its proximity to the town of Gloucester, its visual impact, and contravention of the city’s zoning plans. He didn’t cite greenhouse gasses. You may fault his original denial of the plan, but at least ge wasn’t completely nuts.

    Bullshit; and he is completely nuts. Read from paragraph 422 onwards:

    https://www.caselaw.nsw.gov.au/decision/5c59012ce4b02a5a800be47f#_Toc431199

  34. 2dogs

    This ruling is bizarre.

    1. If it is now the case that merely signing an international agreement gives it legal effect in itself, rather than the enabling federal legislation, the executive can now bypass parliament & the senate on everything by simply finding an amenable foreign party and agreeing to a treaty which demands whatever law the executive wants to pass.

    2. Even if such an agreement does have the force of law, this judge has read into that agreement something it doesn’t say. The Paris Agreement says nations can choose what reductions they will make, with our own federal government saying what Australia is going to do. This judge has just made up additional obligations.

  35. 2dogs

    Just read the case notes, rather than the OP.

    Not as bizarre as I thought.

  36. Kneel

    “Turn off all the lights, computers, heating and air conditioning at all courts and legal chambers.”

    Nice start – but theirABC has many, many AM, FM and TV transmitters too. Not many (if any) less than 10kW – about the same as four 2 b/room unit air conditioners. Each. More if they are the 50kW+ of TV.

    So: if a private company is responsible for “helping” the government meet its international treaty obligations, then surely a government owned company is equally responsible. And if that’s true, why is theirABC wasting coal-made electricity broadcasting via radio, when they already have the capability to go full-on internet only. If we assume 50kW for each capital city, that’s probably enough to run their entire data centre needs! They are broadcasting the same information twice and consuming way too much power.

    So chin up – it’s not all bad!

  37. Kneel

    “Rumour has it his colleagues can almost all see the problem, but they’ve started down the path and can’t back out.”

    Or, they suspect their party will lose at the next election, and want someone who’ll smile at the cameras and say “We lost!” that isn’t them. Nice scape-goat, see? They all want to be PM, it’s just that the smart ones know that timing is everything and they do not want to be the short-term PM that loses the election, then gets dumped.

  38. Dr Fred Lenin

    The judge should be exiled to Hearde Island for life with a small tent and a blannket and a packet of bran for tucker . He could join the Nauru bludgers there. The ones who wouldnt t go to the USA because they would have to Work!shock horrorv! Maybe the judge coukd do the work there that the lazy bludgers from Iran wont do .

  39. md

    Maybe the twerps in the mining industry will now withhold funds from the major parties and put their money behind the Australian Conservatives, Fraser Anning, One Nation, Katter and, yes, even Clive Palmer and force the major parties to reform. Just as we, the deplorables, have become victims of the social and economic policies of the major parties, so too have the miners. They thought they could continue on indefinitely just looking after their own narrow interests by paying political parties for mass immigration and cheap overseas labour, while at the same time ignoring the Left’s agenda, or collaborating with them, in every other area. Well, it doesn’t work like that. The Left have had you in their radar for a long time and since you have supported political parties that have allowed the Left to take over the institutions of our country, there is now no-one to stop them. You’re as screwed as we are.

  40. duncanm

    https://www.caselaw.nsw.gov.au/decision/5c59012ce4b02a5a800be47f#_Toc431199

    what a fucking joke.

    From those case notes:

    The direct and indirect GHG emissions of the Rocky Hill Coal Project will contribute cumulatively to the global total GHG emissions. In aggregate, the Scope 1, 2 and 3 emissions over the life of the Project will be at least 37.8Mt CO2-e

    Ok – so the whole shebang, mining, extraction, export and use will constitute 37.8 Mt CO2 for the life of the project. Let’s round it up to 40 Mt. That’s for a 20 year lifespan (see case notes). ie: 2 Mt/year

    Gee – those ‘Mega-tonnes’ sure sound big. I bet there’s black smoke stacks an’ all.

    Let’s pull up some other numbers: IPCC says anthropogenic CO2 is about 40 Gt/year. Now, for anyone not lost in the bullshit bingo going on from Will Steffan, let’s pull up some high school maths from the archives: a Giga (G) is 10^9, Mega (M) is 10^6

    So that evil mine is projected to cause 2 x 10^6 /40 x 10^9 = 0.005% of global CO2 emissions for the next 20 years.

    These people are fucking insane… but I could have guessed that when I spotted Will Steffan given oxygen in the court.

  41. duncanm

    The place ran better when corrupt ALP ministers hand-waved through coal mine approvals on their mate’s recently acquired properties.

  42. Jeremy

    “and conduct electronic meetings via their own expensive NBN”
    Trust this is sarc. Wait til they can no longer charge their phones!

    By a socialist judiciary for socialists. It’s a harbinger of what’s on the horizon: Costly genuflecting, which will ultimately be sucked out of the public.

    And for what? It’s now been shown unequivocally that limiting coal emissions will have no effect on the earth’s temperature – because it can’t even affect how much CO2 is in the air.

    https://edberry.com/blog/climate-physics/agw-hypothesis/what-is-really-behind-the-increase-in-atmospheric-co2/

    A con of astronomical proportions.

  43. Entropy

    How doe an EDO lawyer get to ever be considered a judge. I would have thought having a partisan position should rule you out from contention. Shouldn’t justice be blind?

  44. DaveR

    You only NEED tiny amounts of Carbon to make steel. For example a mild steel is merely one part in 500 Carbon

    I think people are confusing the amount of carbon (coal) needed in a traditional blast furnace operation to make iron/steel, and the amount of carbon that ends up in the produced metal.

    The main use of Coal (Coke/PCI) in a blast furnace is as a reductant to produce metallic iron from iron ore, while at the same time providing the heat source fuel.

    typical blast furnace feed: 1.5t iron ore + 0.75t coal = 1t pig iron (whether coke or PCI is used)

    typical steel composition: up to 4% in pig iron, reduced to 2% in carbon steel, down to parts per million in other steels

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