Wednesday Forum: February 20, 2019

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  1. Tom

    Damn. Missed the podium again.

  2. C.L.

    Meanwhile … Trump has just created the first new branch of the military in 200 years.
    Space Force – its’s here, baby.

  3. Old School Conservative

    Time to reset today’s debates.
    I hope.

  4. Old School Conservative

    calli
    #2938969, posted on February 20, 2019 at 9:40 am
    Fourth and over and out.

    Here is today’s first controversy.

  5. C.L.

    Modern spazzo watch …

    Woolloomooloo restaurant Contact Bar and Kitchen will give a free glass of wine to any customer who will go without their phone for the entirety of the meal.

    Apparently this is hard to do.
    Well done this man:
    ‘Engage with your kids or just stay home’: Restaurant owner bans iPhone and iPad use.

    So strange; I’m old enough to remember when people went out to get away from phones or at least the harrying from others they represented and enabled.

  6. Slim Cognito

    Just in time to save my sanity

  7. Speedbox

    Overnight news.

    Jihadi bride Shamima Begum has had her British citizenship revoked.

    The 19-year-old, who gave birth to her third child earlier in the week, was found in a refugee camp in northern Syria late last week.

    After a hotly contested debate over whether she should be allowed to return to London, the Home Office stripped her of her citizenship.

    It’s not yet known how authorities can render her stateless, although authorities may argue she has Dutch citizenship based on her marriage to a Dutch Islamic State fighter.

    Begum’s mother, who lives in London, received a letter from the Home Office overnight.

    “Please find enclosed papers that relate to a decision taken by the Home Secretary, to deprive your daughter, Shamima Begum, of her British citizenship,” the letter read.

    “In light of the circumstances of your daughter, the notice of the Home Secretary’s decision has been served of file today (19th February), and the order removing her British citizenship has subsequently been made.”

  8. 1735099

    Un-interfered with by extremists and opportunists on both sides, I believe the ordinary person on the left, and the ordinary person on the right would be able to come to perfectly workable and satisfactory solutions to all problems.

    Wrong blog for that kind of common-sense, Arky.
    But hey, between us, over time, we can change that….

  9. C.L.

    More from that story … parents terrified of communicating with their own children:

    Founder of community group Inner West Mums and a mother of two, Anita Vitanova, said she does not expect the new ban to go down well with the local community.

    “I think if the owner wants children to engage with the food, they should be allowed to interact with the cooking process not just expect kids to sit and do nothing while they wait,” she said. “I can’t see how it would attract parents if they’re not willing to cater for them.”

  10. Old School Conservative

    I think kids on devices at restaurants is a wonderful idea.
    It shuts them up.

  11. Mater,
    My reply to you at end of old thread.

  12. Des Deskperson

    From the old thread, but the point is with repeating.

    Has anone noticed that AFR cartoonist David Rowe can’t draw Peter Dutton and is pretty hit and miss with Scomo?.

  13. mh

    Meet Jussie’s family

    Both Jocqui Smollett and Jurnee Smollett-Bell reposted a quote on Instagram attributed to Malcolm X, in which the late Muslim minister and activist is critical of the media.

  14. Dan Dare

    Climate pioneer dies.
    Wallace Smith Broecker has died aged 87. The “grandfather of climate science” who “correctly predicted rising carbon dioxide levels in the atmosphere would lead to pronounced warming”
    Herald Sun 20/02/2019
    Will Al Gore dim his many many lights in memory?

  15. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Greens lose out to ALP on voters over climate and boats

    exclusive
    John Ferguson
    ASSOCIATE EDITOR
    @fergusonjw
    12:00AM February 20, 2019
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    The Greens face an electoral backlash as voters concerned about climate change and asylum-seekers — and enticed by Bill Shorten’s softer policy agenda — refuse to shift their support to a minor party beset by dysfunctional campaigning and infighting.

    Private polling from the major parties shows the Greens’ national vote remains below its 2016 federal election result of 10.2 per cent, despite the anti-Coalition sentiment that has helped bolster the overall Left vote in this parliamentary term.

    The Australian understands that Labor and the Coalition believe the Greens under leader Richard Di Natale are heading for what could be their worst election result in many years.

    Internal party polling has reinforced the Greens’ tepid Newspoll numbers for the past two years. Senior strategists are intrigued that the low Coalition vote has not translated to a sizeable number of inner-city Liberals — and some Labor supporters — parking their vote with the Greens. At issue is why the Greens cannot attract more disaffected voters, particularly the wealthy who are influenced by social issues such as climate change and asylum-seekers.

    The Coalition primary vote is down more than five points since the last election and Labor is up more than four points, according to the most recent Newspoll, taken before the medivac legislation passed parliament. While One Nation has climbed almost four points, the Greens are down 1.2 points.

    From the Oz. It’s an ill wind….

  16. thefrollickingmole

    Jessie
    #2938616, posted on February 19, 2019 at 8:29 pm
    \
    The unionised Centre for Remote Healthand the unionised Council of Remote Area Nurses (CRANA) offers a huge array of information for medical treatment of persons on remote offshore island.

    AND four (4) complete handbooks with ALL having an array of pharmaceuticals suggested to use for those personnel in remote and off-shore islands.

    Legislation, it appears, enables registered nurses and midwives and registered Aboriginal health workers (see also AHPRA site) for dispensation including S4/S8 drugs.

    CRANA is extremely useful, however its main value is in putting together a set of procedures which non-doctors are allowed to perform above their official level of training.
    You still consult (phone fax whatever) but the doctor on the other end is far more comfortable to allow procedures to take place or meds issued if you are working from the CRANA guidelines.

    It would be difficult to put a dollar figure on the amount it saves in emergency flights or staffing remote areas with docs instead of nurses.
    That said it is second class treatment.

  17. Fred

    Meanwhile … Trump has just created the first new branch of the military in 200 years.
    Space Force – its’s here, baby.

    Not quite. The US Air Force was created in 1947.

  18. Cassie of Sydney

    To the fascist here who is an apologist for totalitarian leftist dictatorships…..I have relatives who fled Hungary in 1956 after the Soviets invaded Hungary…they were among the 200,000 who fled. They remember the corpses dangling in the streets.

    Oh and I clearly remember a time in 1980 when over 100,000 Cubans fled Cuba for the USA….many of whom were homosexuals.

    Now fuck off you tedious turd.

  19. Notafan

    Who takes two year olds to restaurants?

    it is a PITA for everyone, including the two year old.

  20. struth

    Un-interfered with by extremists and opportunists on both sides, I believe the ordinary person on the left, and the ordinary person on the right would be able to come to perfectly workable and satisfactory solutions to all problems.

    Good Moaning.

    I don’t agree Arky.

    Look at the delusion of Numbers and his visit to Cuba.
    He will see what he wants to see, you know the fact they are still driving around in 1950’s cars is a choice thing, etc.
    Make no mistake, his breed are purely delusional, and again he shows us this in all he writes.
    The hypocrisy when it comes to Pinochet, yet nothing about the obvious flight from Communism by Millions world wide (who made it out with their lives while millions other didn’t)
    Leftism is delusional, you can’t compromise with it, because it won’t let you anyway.

    I have taken many old socialist/communist lefties into places like Maningrida, on tours that cost over a thousand dollars a day (these old public servants from the education department are loaded, they truly are the one percent) so they can experience the joy of Aboriginal culture.
    With death , disease, and filth all around them, violence and screaming, camp dogs laying in the street, they see none of it, purposefully.
    I had one bloke who wasn’t a communist from the education system on board and he was a Queenslander.
    He said out loud, upon driving in, J..sus, have a look at the rubbish everywhere.
    The rest of the coach was appalled he said it and muttered “white man’s rubbish”
    After leaving their Airconditioned homes, flying on planes etc, the come with a device in their hands that communicates and takes videos, they encircle the one poor aboriginal lady in the art gallery forced to show them a bit of basket weaving with Pandanus leaves.
    The speak ever so delicately to her , and fawn over her like she was some precious flower who speaks no English, (while she herself just got off her Mobile phone speaking English, and they heard her) and treat her and what she was doing as if she were a child and they were exclaiming how good her stick figure painting was.
    While making sure to never see the disaster around them.
    Favourite Holiday spots for these people are Cuba, (so Commo education indoctrinator Comrade Numbers , you could have bet money he’d go there, they all do) and surprising how many got married and had holidays in then the USSR.
    He’ll also see America as a shit hole in Comparison.
    See all those flimsy craft in between Cuba and the states?
    Numbers doesn’t.
    They’re all Americans escaping the USA, anyway they can, to get to Cuba if you ask Numbers.
    The Cuban community are just there in Florida to help out the poor lost Americans to show them how it’s done.
    He, like the rest of them, are delusional, and will see only what they want to see, and when you actually see the denying of reality, right before their eyes, it’s gobsmacking.
    There are sides.
    There is the Left, the Politics of Stalin Hitler, etc and it requires insanity and delusion and also Moral cowardice, in it’s followers, and to think they can be turned with reason and logic, they can’t.

    Look at numbers here , and his delusion for the world to see.
    You can’t reason with that Arky.
    It’s a mental sickness.
    And a normal lefty is just one that hasn’t had enough time to become numbers, or just hasn’t received enough indoctrination.
    You still won’t be able to turn them.
    They are told, just like Mussies, that their enemy is evil and they are the chosen virtuous.

    The only way you beat them is to defund them.

  21. Notafan

    The agreements allowed a 300-day period of grace, ending on May 18, 1955, in which people could move freely between the two Vietnams before the border was sealed. The partition was intended to be temporary, pending elections in 1956 to reunify the country under a national government. Between 600,000 and one million northerners moved south, including more than 200,000 French citizens and soldiers in the French army [4] while between 14,000 – 45,000 civilians and approximately 100,000 Viet Minh fighters moved in the opposite direction.[1][5][6]

    A huge disparity of numbers moving from north to south and south to north, is there not?

    most rational people prefer freedom

  22. thefrollickingmole

    Buying a lotto ticket in the UK.

    You are paying for cock choppers & perverts to groom kiddies.

    National Lottery to give grant to transgender children’s group
    Lottery’s Community Fund will donate £500,000 over five years to the charity Mermaids

    The National Lottery Community Fund, formerly known as the Big Lottery Fund, announced in December it would be supporting Mermaids with a grant of £500,000 over the course of five years. The news was quickly met by anger by some campaigners, with The Times’ Janice Turner accusing Mermaids of spreading “cod science”.

    The 40-page review, published today, summarises the concerns raised against Mermaids. The charity was accused of prematurely pushing for life-altering medical interventions, promoting questionable statistics in relation to the suicide risk of trans children, and adopting an approach that is is contrary to scientific evidence. The charity denied all allegations.

    What next, grants for furries to make costumes, glass topped tables for Germans or the love that dare not neigh its name??

  23. candy

    (these old public servants from the education department are loaded, they truly are the one percent)

    Indeed, retired public servants from any department are very wealthy people with investment properties and excellent financial portfolios who somehow think capitalism is dangerous.
    The term champagne socialists kind of appropriate, or as Tony Abbott called them, millionaire socialists although it doesn’t make sense as true socialists divest and share their wealth and private ownership of property should be very limited and only for basic necessities.

  24. Nob

    a free glass of wine to any customer who will go without their phone

    I’m eating by myself a lot when I’m on the road.

    Without my phone to read, I’m just gonna drink faster.

    Some restaurants know how to treat solo diners, some are just hostile.

  25. Arky

    You can’t reason with that Arky.

    ..
    I said the ordinary people on the left.
    There are pragmatic solutions to everything when one stops being a mug and leaves ideology behind.
    The border issue would have been solved humanely, securely and put off the table decades ago if it was not for considerable financial motivations directed at politically connected sectors.
    The aboriginal thing is more complex.
    When stone age people come into contact with industrial age people the result will always be horrible.
    You make huge portions of a society redundant and substance abuse is inevitable.
    See what is occurring in the de-industrialised west.
    But it is ultimately solvable if the problem is seen clearly as a lack of meaning.

  26. 1735099

    There are sides.

    Reminds me of the lyrics of an old Gary Shearston song.

    All reason and logic are gone,
    Winning the fight won’t prove that you’re right,
    It’s sad and it’s true, but it’s on.

  27. Notafan

    Numbers thinks communists in Cuba don’t lie

    they lie about everything

  28. 1735099

    pending elections in 1956 to reunify the country under a national government.

    Tell me – why weren’t the elections held?
    Just curious….

  29. struth

    You’ll also note, Arky that as soon as you became a bit wishy washy, the old commo pounced on it like he did with Dr B.

    He’s a piece of shit that will find any crack to expand, and claim to be the reasonable one.

    Can you imagine what this deluded c..nt has been telling generations of children?
    Communists are enemies of the west, filled with hate, I don’t like to say it but the best thing that could have happened for Australia would be in Vietnam was for numbers to get a bullet.
    It’s simply the truth.

  30. dover_beach

    From the OOT:

    However, I am optimistic that most people remain in the grip of common sense.

    Common sense is inculcated. What are we to do when people are inculcated to believe that the impossible is possible? That truth is a matter of convention? Common sense can’t operate in such an environment.

  31. Arky

    You’ll also note, Arky that as soon as you became a bit wishy washy, the old commo pounced on it like he did with Dr B.

    ..
    I am well aware of the way they use “pox on both houses” whenever they are on the losing side.
    But sometimes both houses really are poxy.

  32. dover_beach

    Wrong blog for that kind of common-sense, Arky.
    But hey, between us, over time, we can change that….

    Numbers, shouldn’t you be spending all your time on leftist blogs convincing them that leaving a baby who survived an abortion but now separated from its mother should at the very least receive medical care rather than being left to die?

  33. thefrollickingmole

    The border issue would have been solved humanely, securely and put off the table decades ago if it was not for considerable financial motivations directed at politically connected sectors.

    The problem being most “lefties” would rather take in one more illegal entrant than 10 more off shore ones just to soothe their egos.
    Most have a howling void somewhere in their lives which they fill by pretending they are virtuous by professing an opinion they seldom have to pay for.
    No skin in the game.

    Even Gillard tried the “more from camps, none from boats” gambit (which i think is a reasonable trade off) and had it flung back in her face by the virtue signalers.

    There is no concession which will satisfy, none, other than open borders.

  34. struth

    All reason and logic are gone,
    Winning the fight won’t prove that you’re right,
    It’s sad and it’s true, but it’s on.

    Communism failed everywhere it has been tried.
    So has socialism.
    It’s caused mysery and death for millions and millions.

    When reason and logic is gone, you follow it and still call yourself a socialist.

    Unfortunately , your reason and logic is gone numbers, which means there is nothing left but to fight.
    You’re the cause.

  35. Arky

    The ‘pox on both houses” is just another way to progress the agenda in the face of undeniable evidence of their latest atrocity.

  36. Roger

    There are pragmatic solutions to everything when one stops being a mug and leaves ideology behind.

    But the Leftist who did so would then no longer be of the Left.

    Leftism by definition views every problem through the lens of socialist ideology.

  37. Nob

    “It’s On” is a Don Henderson song.

  38. duncanm

    Meanwhile … Trump has just created the first new branch of the military in 200 years.
    Space Force – its’s here, baby.

    If anyone thinks this is a little looney – just consider what China could do with its orbiting solar farm which conveys power to the ground with a microwave / laser beam.

    .. and you thought Goldeneye was fiction.

  39. Snoopy

    The ALP is proposing a floor price for milk which will not increase the price paid by consumers. Why stop at milk? Let’s also have no cost floor prices for meat, fruit and vegetables and wheat.

  40. Notafan

    Why would I know numbers?

    I linked the article because clearly people saw the writing on the wall and moved accordingly.

  41. He’s a piece of shit that will find any crack to expand, and claim to be the reasonable one.

    I assume you’re not claiming that….

    Can you imagine what this deluded c..nt has been telling generations of children?

    Given that I worked from 1971 until 1996 and from 2006 until 2017 in Special Education, that’s hilarious.
    Mind you, we are beginning to see people with disabilities in Parliament.

  42. Notafan

    Wasn’t there an American president who was confined to a wheelchair?

  43. JC

    BrettW
    #2938991, posted on February 20, 2019 at 9:56 am

    Mater,
    My reply to you at end of old thread.

    Mater, This started because I mocked the little fargard because he’s always joining pile ons. This is what sent him into hysterics.

    Rooster, you diabolical scumbag. If I didn’t recall that we were laughing at the Q&A dickhead and hadn’t explained it, you could have infected the site with the accusation I had criticized a forum member at the Cat about having a gay kid. You, dishonest, diabolical little fagard, Rooster. You horrible, venomous, dishonest little canute.

  44. struth

    Not one flimsy boat has ever had Americans in it risking life and limb to get to Cuba, numbers.
    The lefties I know praise Cuba but never go there to live.
    FFS , Cher won’t even go to Canada.

    Pathetic, hypocritical, lying P’sOS all of them.

  45. 1735099

    There are pragmatic solutions to everything when one stops being a mug and leaves ideology behind.

    So true.
    What happens here is a stepwise process.
    Step 1 – A comment is made which departs from the orthodoxy.
    Step 2 – The commenter is immediately labelled. There are a limited number of labels available, but they are interchangeable and flexible.
    Step 3 – The commenter is subjected to all kinds of ad hom abuse. This varies more, but references usually cover sexuality, age, gender or location.
    Step 4 – Often pile-on follows. Most of it resembles the behaviour of a pack of dingoes.
    Discussion, information sharing and analysis (which are the strengths of any useful forum) is rare and fleeting.
    It can be changed….

  46. Notafan

    The idea that people should be in parliament based on gender, race, religion, disability is anathema to me.

    Identity politics is the worst.

  47. Mater

    Mater, This started because I mocked the little fargard because he’s always joining pile ons. This is what sent him into hysterics.

    And I asked him to make sure his facts were straight if he was going to continue to engage, lest he expose his flank. Honest argument keeps this place alive, and everyone benefits.
    I’m here to help. It’s that kind of blog. 😉

  48. struth

    Given that I worked from 1971 until 1996 and from 2006 until 2017 in Special Education, that’s hilarious.
    Mind you, we are beginning to see people with disabilities in Parliament.

    And disabled people don’t vote?
    You would have been the most disabled one there.

    Not many get just how communist controlled our education system is, Numbers.

    To do what you’ve done to a captive audience of young minds, and the rest of the scum like you in it, is the most disgusting thing you could do.
    Pure child abuse.
    These are other people’s children, and you’ve no right to in any way brainwash them with your foul Politics.

  49. Notafan

    Discussion, information sharing and analysis (which are the strengths of any useful forum) is rare and fleeting.

    LOL

  50. Notafan

    I doubt numbers brainwashed the kids in Special Ed

    Forgive me but surely that is for children with intellectual disabilities?

  51. struth

    So true.
    What happens here is a stepwise process.
    Step 1 – A comment is made which departs from the orthodoxy.
    Step 2 – The commenter is immediately labelled. There are a limited number of labels available, but they are interchangeable and flexible.
    Step 3 – The commenter is subjected to all kinds of ad hom abuse. This varies more, but references usually cover sexuality, age, gender or location.
    Step 4 – Often pile-on follows. Most of it resembles the behaviour of a pack of dingoes.
    Discussion, information sharing and analysis (which are the strengths of any useful forum) is rare and fleeting.
    It can be changed….

    We do discuss different views here.
    But you’re a self declared socialist/ communist full of delusion and lies, as you have clearly shown here again today, and you will be given no quarter.
    You live in the past.
    History has shown your politics for the evil, disgusting inhumane insanity it is.
    We’re past talking to those still trying to push the ideologies of Stalin, Hitler , and Mao.
    Like your Vietnam shit, you are in the past and we’ve moved on.
    Drop the insanity and evil, and see how you get treated.

  52. Snoopy

    struth
    #2939051, posted on February 20, 2019 at 10:59 am

    Not many get just how communist controlled our education system is, Numbers.

    Australian Education Union via TheirABC:

    Taxpayer-owned corporation indoctrinating school kids with inschool leftist current affairs program? GOOD!

    Superannuation contributor-owned corporation introducing school kids to banking with inschool program? BAD!

  53. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Tell me – why weren’t the elections held?
    Just curious….

    Enlighten us, Numbers Bob. Why weren’t they held?

  54. struth

    I doubt numbers brainwashed the kids in Special Ed

    There would have been the black arm band view of settlement rammed down their throats, all sorts of Identity politics etc etc.
    To understand a commo like this is to know they can’t help doing it, no matter who is in charge.
    There’s a lot of disabled kids in aboriginal communities as well, but they are not spared the indoctrination, I can assure you.

  55. struth

    I doubt numbers brainwashed the kids in Special Ed

    Fharken, did you ever have Bob as your teacher?

    Now go away and do some research.
    ‘You can start with who the head of the UN is, and what he stands for and actively pushes.

    Get back to us you little man bun, you,, and we’ll give you a grade

  56. Brettw:

    Incidentally which ethnic Italians insults do you find offensive ? I am new to the ethnic / gay insult game and need some assistance.

    Apparently, calling JC “The Italian Stallion” is vewy vewy nasty.
    Elle called him that one day and he strutted around here like a Bantam Rooster with his first erection. “Check this out, Ladies!”
    But when I called him that, it was an ‘ethnic slur.’
    Perhaps Elle is better looking than me? (I strongly suspect that to be the case.)
    Whatever.
    But I had to wait until no one else was talking to him otherwise we would be all piling on. And that is baad.
    Bloody sook.

  57. Notafan

    Struth

    A special school is a school catering for students who have special educational needs due to learning difficulties, physical disabilities or behavioural problems.

    The one near me seems to be almost all children with learning difficulties and a combination of the other two.

    I don’t believe political brainwashing would be a major issue for them

    Most seem to struggle with acquiring basic live skills.

    I’m all for debating numbers opinions but assuming he ‘brainwashed’ special ed kids is a bridge too far for me

  58. mh

    Struth, you’re on fire today.

    Such a clear head after a night on the piss.

  59. Notafan

    what about ‘hairy backed half Arab?

    That okay?

  60. Bruce of Newcastle

    Totally obvious study of the day:
    Increasing frailty may lead to death
    Who knew? Although I now know that “pre-frail” is a thing. It works! As in “Shorten is looking very pre-frail today.”

    (While I’m at it here’s a link to a more entertaining science story which fell afoul of the incompetent naughty word filter. Sinc is away so it won’t emerge from moderation for some time.)

  61. 1735099

    Why would I know numbers?

    I linked the article because clearly people saw the writing on the wall and moved accordingly.

    As decolonization took place in Asia, France had to relinquish its power over Indochina (Laos, Cambodia and Vietnam). While Laos and Cambodia got their independence, France chose to stay in Vietnam. This ended with a war between French troops and the Vietnamese nationalists led by Ho Chi Minh. The latter’s army, the Viet Minh, fought a guerrilla war, while the French employed traditional Western technology. The deciding factor was the Battle of Dien Bien Phu in 1954, where the French were heavily defeated. This resulted in French withdrawals, and the Geneva conference. (Wikipedia)
    It was decided that Vietnam would be divided at the 17th parallel until 1956, when democratic elections would be held under international supervision. All parties involved agreed to this (Ho Chi Minh had strong support in the north, which was more populous than the south, and was thus comfortable that he would win an election), except for the US, who did not want to see Communism spreading in a domino effect throughout Asia.

    The elections weren’t held, of course, and the rest is history.
    It’s fascinating to conjecture what would have happened if they had been held, and Ho had won.

    Not until 1995 did Vietnam release its official estimate of war dead: as many as 2 million civilians on both sides and some 1.1 million North Vietnamese and Viet Cong fighters died. The U.S. military has estimated that between 200,000 and 250,000 South Vietnamese soldiers died. Also 58000 US service personnel and 500+ Australians would have survived, and the country would still have been Communist.

  62. candy

    The borders issue is a big one in Australia, though.

    Bill Shorten may have just lost the election on it. If PM Morrison had a bit more fortitude he could win an election from here on it, but he is a meek man. I actually think he does not like stopping the boats and detention centres. Dutton on the other hand is tough and knows what people expect to be done.
    85% of so of Australia’s do not want the boats re-starting, from known polls.

    Shorten might win through, but if Newspoll is not good for a time or two or three, I think he will be gone as leader. It’s kind of gobsmacking he believed Fairfax/The Project/ABC over voters re this issue.

  63. Lilliana

    struth #2939010 I take my hat to you – a truly brilliant comment.

    I have seen the same my self in both Aboriginal communities and third world shitholes. Leftist loons experience some sort of cognitive dissonance when faced with reality that doesn’t align with their myth of the noble savage.

    Knee high in garbage and filth and they either pretend not to see it or it’s all our fault – everything is our fault.

    Public servants, retired or not, and humanities students are the worst offenders – oxygen thieves and enablers.

  64. Arky

    Hark.
    When I said to ignore the ideological monsters on the extreme of both sides, I was talking about you, not to you.
    I spent years studying the temperature records.
    It’s a Rorschach test.
    It reflects whatever you believe.

  65. Roger

    A meteorologist speaks:

    “Anywhere south of about St Lawrence, so that’s that area around Rockhampton, so anywhere south of there right down to Brisbane really is potentially in play for a cyclone crossing if that was to occur but I’ve got to emphasise it will come near the coast and not necessarily cross the coast but it is possible it could cross the coast.”

    Let’s hope he didn’t write his own wedding vows.

  66. Arky

    and the country would still have been Communist.

    ..
    And a message would have been sent to Mao and Brezhnev that we won’t fight.
    They would have swallowed most of SE asia before 1970.

  67. Leigh Lowe

    Given that I worked from 1971 until 1996 and from 2006 until 2017 in Special Education, that’s hilarious.
    Mind you, we are beginning to see people with disabilities in Parliament.

    But enough about Bill Shorten and Albo.

  68. JC

    However, you appear completely unaware that the complete opposition to political action on climate change held by 99% of regular commenters here is motivated by ideology – being virulently anti-Green enables people to believe in massive conspiracies, such as all agencies that compile weather records are adjusting temperatures not on the basis of good science, but to support climate change policies which are essentially socialist.

    1. The greens hate humanity. They are the most misanthropic grouping since Khmer Rouge and I’m not exaggerating.
    2. The purpose of gerbil warming policies is a deliberate attempt to de-industrialize

    3. Ruinables make no sense. Even Bill Gates has said so. Ruinables are laughable.

    4.Harkel talks about people and their religious beliefs. However the way Harkel pushes gerbil warming shows that as his as his strong theological position. Gerbiling is basically Germanic paganism go crazy.

  69. 1735099

    And a message would have been sent to Mao and Brezhnev that we won’t fight.

    Arky – you’re assuming that Mao and Brezhnev were in lockstep.
    They were far from that.
    The Cambodian genocide had many causes, but one of them was a struggle between China and the USSR over influence in that neck of the woods.
    The Vietnamese cleaned Cambodia out (too late to avoid the genocide) and that upset the Chinese no end.
    Which was one of the reasons the Vietnamese and the Chinese went to war in 1979.
    That one-dimensional view of a united Communist conspiracy was instrumental in creating the tragedy of Vietnam. The Yanks had no idea…

  70. Notafan

    Diem says South Vietnam not bound by Geneva Agreements.

    Numbers doesn’t care that Catholics would have been mercilessly hunted down under the communist regime that would have ensured had Vietnam been reunified in 1956

    Everyone was aware of what was happening under the so called ‘land reforms’ in the North

    The communists, in their usual desire for domination started the war, utterly and completely responsible for the death and disaster that followed.

    for good reason

  71. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    It was decided that Vietnam would be divided at the 17th parallel until 1956, when democratic elections would be held under international supervision. All parties involved agreed to this (Ho Chi Minh had strong support in the north, which was more populous than the south, and was thus comfortable that he would win an election),

    Strange, old fashioned things called books – most notably “End of a War ” – an account of the Geneva Conference, or Max Hasting’s “Vietnam – an epic tragedy” will inform the reader that the agreement was signed by the French, British, Chinese and Russians but NOT by either Vietnamese delegation, or the Americans – “Therein lay the basis for the later insistence of both Washington and Saigon that refusal to conduct national elections within the specified two year time frame was no breach of anything to which either had consented.” (Hastings, page 78)

  72. struth

    Struth, you’re on fire today.

    Such a clear head after a night on the piss

    Thank you………..burp.

    I had a bloody great night last night.
    All by myself drinking a scotch and listening to As Time goes by sang by old blue Eyes, some of the rat pack stuff, then I saw how absolutely drunk Dean Martin used to get, and I put the glass down and went to bed .
    He he.

    See what you and your Ilk have done to people like Fharken, Numbers?
    The poor lads panicking , thinking the world’s gonna end in 12 years, and that only by the west deindustrialising and handing all it’s coal over to hundreds more new communist coal fired power stations, will the world be saved.
    Oh yes and only our borders have to come down.

    Great job, Stasi Bob.

  73. Bruce of Newcastle

    However, you appear completely unaware that the complete opposition to political action on climate change held by 99% of regular commenters here is motivated by ideology

    Nope, Hark, it is motivated by data. Unfortunately the Left have this naive view that CO2 causes everything when in fact it doesn’t do much. In statistical terms this is known as omitted variable bias.

    Roy Spencer and John Christy are both heavily involved in American evangelical churches, which can encourage belief that God simply wouldn’t allow humans to ruin the Earth.

    You seem to be a remarkably anti-Christian angel Hark. Why would God not allow humans to ruin the Earth? Haven’t you read Revelation? There’s the bit about ‘a new heaven and a new earth’ and ‘the first earth had passed away’. For an angel you seem to be quite ignorant about God’s Word.

    Try analysing the CERES and ERBE data yourself. Recall that the satellites were launched to determine climate sensitivity, amongst other things. Why do you ignore their findings?

  74. Overburdened

    Water temp around 24-5, big tides, glassy and solid swell here. Sun shining and I’m at an age where I’m not afraid to paddle out in a pair of boardies. Bugger skin cancer. Something is going to get you anyway when you’re old so be free.
    Now waiting for the cyclone to do its magic.

  75. MACK

    Mr Shorten is talking about price control of private health insurance premiums, and in Victoria Mr Andrews is talking about price control of electricity. Is this part of a great march backwards in economics by the ALP?
    Where will it end? Communism? Or Venezuela?

  76. JC

    Nurse Betty chimes in.

    At least she’s not predicting California leaves the Union and joins up with China. That’s something to be thankful for.

  77. Tom

    The old commo troll hasn’t had so much attention in years. He’s revelling in it. And so is his little poofter mate.

    Don’t feed the trolls.

  78. Notafan

    The commo ignores all evidence that doesn’t support his ideology

    It is a great learning experience to fact check his claims

  79. Hay Stockard

    Conscription was reintroduced in Australia because of the threat from the very near north. Not Viet Nam.
    Labor introduced conscription in World War 2. None of them had been conscripted in the Great War for obvious reasons.
    We had National Service aka conscription in the 50s as well.
    Philosophically I am against conscription. As a former regular practically I am also against conscription. However I am not, and never intend to be, a stinking politician or pubic service mandarin so my opinions count for nought.

  80. Geriatric Mayfly

    A meteorologist speaks:
    but I’ve got to emphasise it will come near the coast and not necessarily cross the coast but it is possible it could cross the coast.”

    Isn’t it part of their [tropical cyclones] suicide commitment to cross the coast at some point?

  81. Pete of Perth

    Todays’ ads as I surf the interwebs using my mobile… Australia Gov.. various departments… all in Arabic.

    ???

  82. Ivan Denisovich

    You seem to be a remarkably anti-Christian angel Hark.

    A fallen angel on a mission to spread falsehoods, Bruce.

  83. Mater

    However, you appear completely unaware that the complete opposition to political action on climate change held by 99% of regular commenters here is motivated by ideology

    Probably because climate change is proving to be such a great Trogan Horse for the opposing political ideology.

    But there’s more. The resolution is equally ambitious on the subject of equity. It says that the Green New Deal “is a historic opportunity to virtually eliminate poverty in the United States and to make prosperity, wealth and economic security available to everyone participating in the transformation.”

    To that end, it instructs the committee to develop a plan that would include a job guarantee, measures to combat income inequality and racial injustice, and maybe a universal basic income (UBI) for good measure.

  84. struth

    I have seen the same my self in both Aboriginal communities and third world shitholes. Leftist loons experience some sort of cognitive dissonance when faced with reality that doesn’t align with their myth of the noble savage.

    You’ll also note the racism in Bob.
    Cubans are just so happy because they have their brown people culture and don’t need cars newer than 1959, they’re brown after all.
    It’s the racism of low expectation mixed with the blinding hypocrisy of not having to live it.
    I usede to be able to teach people a lot about aboriginal culture but I cannot anymore.
    Leftism is too far into it now.
    Your tourists will demand you concede to the black arm band view, and are only open to hearing what they want to.

    On one of my last tours I was sitting in the restaurant with my group at Davidson’s Arnhem land lodge, when an old lefty cow from Sydney (education sector) was obviously shitty at what she’d seen and what I wasn’t saying.
    She waited for a lull in the noise and said, Struth, do you even respect aboriginal people?
    The restaurant went quiet.
    I said no, not just because they’re aboriginal.
    I don’t respect white people just because they are white.
    I said, there are two types of people in this world, individualists, and collectivists.
    You are obviously a collectivist.
    I respect people based on who they are, not what they are.
    I then turned to the other passengers, and asked, you guys can see what I’m saying, can’t you, who buried their heads, nodding.
    The gutless sheep of the left.
    A very prickly little situation, but I’d had a gutful of these types by then.

    Nearly all were education department, nearly all season.
    Horrific.

  85. Mitch M.

    Marijuana May Boost, Rather Than Dull, the Elderly Brain

    It is consistent with what is known about the pharmacology of THC and CBD and also with what is known about the endocannabinoid system.

  86. C.L.

    ASIO chief Duncan Lewis wins rave reviews from his leftist allies at the ABC after scolding the government for dragging the Afterwards Security Intelligence Organisation into the political fray on border protection.

    Yes, that would be the same Duncan Lewis who tried to stop Liberal MPs criticising Islam back in 2015. Furthermore, he claimed criticism of Mohammedanism was “blasphemous.”

  87. bespoke

    1735099
    #2938983, posted on February 20, 2019 at 9:48 am
    But hey, between us, over time, we can change that….

    Entitled freeloader.
    Sure you’ve treated plenty of blog as if its yours posting off topic shit In article threads that’s why you have been moderated or banned by some. Iv got news for you mate, there can only one doom lord.

  88. Geriatric Mayfly

    PHYSICSPublished 4 hours ago
    Teen builds working nuclear fusion reactor in Memphis home

    The contraption seems to work. Wonder if he will receive the same adulation as Clock Boy.

  89. Roger

    Isn’t it part of their [tropical cyclones] suicide commitment to cross the coast at some point?

    Or peter out over cold water.

  90. struth

    Fharken, if you really believe the world is going to end, put your money where your mouth is.
    If the world ends in 12 years time, I’ll hand over all my life savings to you.
    If it doesn’t, you hand over all your life savings to me.
    Deal?
    That’s by today, even though the world ending in twelve years was declared a few Months ago.
    So Feb 20th 2031
    You’ll note 2030 was not only when the world is due to End, it’s the date for Agenda 2030 to be complete.
    Just in time for the end of the world.

    You’re all fucking loons.

  91. Bruce of Newcastle

    Hark Ark! So you think there is no problem, because there is no objective truth in what the temperature records means?

    Weird how the past keeps on getting colder.
    It’s almost as if the people who built the atom bomb couldn’t read a thermometer.

    Of the Soviet Union they used to say that Pravda contained no news and Izvestia contained no truth. No doubt those august outlets were your favorite reading during the Soviet years, which no doubt as an angel you lived through and remember well.

  92. thefrollickingmole

    What numbers somehow avoids mentioning in his “all Ho Chi minh had to do was win the elections” is the constant terror attacks/assassinations being carried out in South Vietnam to undermine the legitimacy of the regime there.

    If victory was inevitable why the need to kill or threaten into compliance officials and civilians?

    Vietnam was formally reunited under Communist rule in July 1976. After the Vietnam War, Vietnam became isolated from the world and ranked for many years as one of the world’s poorest nations. Even though it sat on some of the richest agricultural land in the world, it had difficulty feeding itself. David Lamb wrote in the Los Angeles Times, “In its revolutionary zeal, the party collectivized farms. Without incentives, productivity went down and Vietnam became a rice importer. The party confiscated property and wealth. Overnight, millionaires became paupers. Children of South Vietnamese soldiers were denied access to the best colleges and the good jobs, and the spirit of reconciliation withered. Newspapers disappeared, movie theaters closed, bank safe-deposit boxes were sealed. Ordinary Vietnamese were forbidden to have contact with foreigners. More than 400,000 South Vietnamese were sent off to reeducation camps, some to languish for years. [Source: David Lamb, Los Angeles Times, April 30, 2005]

  93. 1735099

    For someone with a 50 year grudge against conscription Bob, you really are an enigma

    No, the enigmata (correct plural, although “enigmas” is acceptable) are the binary blockheads who can’t simultaneously hold two contradictory ideas in their heads at once.
    This is why 10% of voters support the PHON. It’s the dip on the left of the Gaussian curve.
    Abbott knew how to exploit it using three word slogans.

  94. Confused Old Misfit

    as with vaccination, believing the strong consensus position of scientists specialising in a field is the common sense thing to do.

    The evidence of the effectiveness of vaccines is empirical.
    It is NOT consensual.
    There is NO empirical evidence of the onset of catastrophic global warming.
    The predictions are entirely hypothetical.

  95. Bruce of Newcastle

    Teen builds working nuclear fusion reactor in Memphis home

    I hope he has good health insurance.

    Remembering the Radioactive Boy Scout (2016)

    “It took nearly a year from Hahn’s arrest until the backyard shed was dismantled and cleaned up as a Superfund site,” Ars Technica reports.

    Shortly after that, Hahn became an Eagle Scout, though some local scout leaders tried unsuccessfully to block the badge, arguing that David’s experiments had endangered the whole town.

  96. JC,
    Firstly don’t try to involve others by using the word “we” when it was you yourself who asked him about if he was the one on Q&A supporting his gay son. Your lying continued when you said you knew the person on Q&A was not a forum member but yet you posed it as an “honest question” towards a forum member. So don’t get all uptight about me pointing out you used it as part of a pile on against that forum member. Another example of your hypocrisy.

    You are clearly a homophobe. Now I don’t mean that in the anti gay sense but much like your use of the word faggot which you say does not mean gay.

    Now about the use of the term Italian Stallion. I think we all know it could not possibly apply to you. Italian weasel more like.

  97. mh

    The Coalition have cleaned up Labor’s border mess twice.

    I expect Australians are now having another think about letting the open borders team back in power.

  98. struth

    Communist c..nts like Numbers don’t get to come here and pretend to be decent, and to be taken as an equal.
    They wouldn’t do it for you, and they don’t put up with opposing views ever.

    He’s extremely dumb in his world outlook, but you are dealing with a manipulating (he tries here but fails) old commie.
    This is that “self declared superiority syndrome” on display.
    It’s embarrassing that he thinks no one’s got his “number”

    Fharken is the product of people like him.
    He twists all he can.
    He is, pure evil, whereas I feel sorry for Fharken, I think in a way, we all do.

    The old Commo will soon leave this world cursing it, like the sad fuck he is.

  99. struth

    The BoM have cried wolf so much, I’m right in the area this cyclone may hit, and I don’t trust them enough to worry yet.
    Probably the one time I’m wrong and will get wiped out.

    Our Trawlers are coming in and there is a King tide and huge waves on the eastern side of Fraser Island, already.

  100. Mater

    Your tourists will demand you concede to the black arm band view, and are only open to hearing what they want to.

    In researching my ancestors (who were involved with The King’s Orphan School at the time), I came across this editorial from the Hobart Town Courier. It touches on a number of topical issues and tends to skewer a couple of misconceptions. It is, however, a curious read mainly because it was from 1835.
    1835…Think about how close that was to European Settlement of Australia AND how much before the 1967 Referendum which, supposedly, ceased Aboriginals being classed as ‘Flora and Fauna’.

    “Ten little children of the Aborigines, now domesticated at Flinders’ island, were last week brought up and placed with the four others already in the Orphan school, to be educated. It is of course a most desirable thing that these poor children should be properly instructed, for they have the intellectual faculty as strong as a European, and at first sight we were ready to applaud the committee for adopting apparently so benevolent a measure. It is delightful to a man of feeling to see these 14 little black children intermixed and taught in classes with the other little orphans in that noble institution; and were they all orphans and without another friend or relation to care for them, our satisfaction would be unmixed.

    But this is not the case, most of them have parents or near relations dearly attached to them at the Establishment, by whom their separation is looked upon as the direst affliction that could befall them—a removal almost as painful as that of death itself would be. We are too ready to suppose, that because those poor people are of a different colour, they have not the same warmth of sentiment—the same tenderness of heart as ourselves—when the very opposite is the fact. The passions of the breast are even keener than ours, and we know that the parents and relations of these children daily and hourly lament their removal so much, that susceptible as they are, it is not unlikely to accelerate their death.

    It is for this reason, that looking calmly at the matter we disapprove of the measure, and should rejoice to see the committee restore them to their homes. There is already a properly qualified schoolmaster on the island, or catechist to undertake that duty, and if it was desirable to teach them in conjunction with white children, it would have been easy to send some of the orphans from this place to stand in the classes with them.

    These people are or ought to be as free as ourselves, and we maintain that we have no right whatever to take away their children without first consulting them—without the leave and consent of their natural parents and guardians first asked and obtained.

    This was the great and laudable principle on which the government all along went, in the mediations of Mr. Robinson with all the tribes which brought about the present happy arrangement unprecedented in the annals of man, and it is not one of its least gratifying features, thus to see the remnants of various little states, formerly in open hostility with each other now living in social community (in all but the loss of their children) happy and contented.”

  101. The predictions are entirely hypothetical.

    Worse. What they hypothesize is, by and large, unverifiable.

  102. struth

    No, the enigmata (correct plural, although “enigmas” is acceptable) are the binary blockheads who can’t simultaneously hold two contradictory ideas in their heads at once.

    This blockhead you speak of , has another term you pompous wanker.
    I’ll type this slow for you.

    I N T E G R I T Y.

    Whereas a lefty can hold many contradictory ideas in their head at once, and support them all.

  103. Roger

    …the enigmata (correct plural, although “enigmas” is acceptable) are the binary blockheads who can’t simultaneously hold two contradictory ideas in their heads at once.

    “The most certain of all basic principles is that contradictory propositions are not true simultaneously”

    Aristotle.

    Just another binary blockhead, I suppose.

  104. Infidel Tiger

    The Daily Caller

    Verified account

    @DailyCaller
    34m34 minutes ago
    More
    CovCath Student Nicholas Sandmann Sues WaPo For $250 Million

    Oh my.

  105. Ivan Denisovich

    Abbott knew how to exploit it using three word slogans.

    Stop the Balts?

  106. enigmata – the injection of fluid into the lower bowel by way of the rectum

  107. JC

    Rooster

    I will use “we “anytime I want just like you have when you pretend to have wide support. You’re a dishonest
    little fargard with no redeeming qualities.

    You lied, got caught out and now squealing like the dickhead I’ve always pegged you to be.

    Just so people are aware the hysterics from this little fargard began when he was ticked off for joining another pile adding zero to the conversation. Three days now!

  108. The Italian Stallion:

    At least she’s not predicting California leaves the Union and joins up with China.

    It’s an interesting idea for a novel, isn’t it?
    I sent it off to an author I know, to see if it was worthwhile as a plot.
    California broke, the Chinese offer to lease a port or two, renegotiate the states debt.
    Offer to finance the VFT to nowhere that the politicians will plunder.
    No strings attached.
    The Belt and Road Initiative appears to be working elsewhere, why not California?
    The Peoples Republic of California has a nice ring to it, eh?

  109. Top Ender

    90% refusal rate for people trying to rort the system:

    Malaysian and Chinese asylum-seekers are flying into Australia in their thousands — and being overwhelmingly rejected for protection visas — amid a surge in refugee claims by those who enter as tourists.

    New Department of Home Affairs’ figures show the number of asylum-seekers arriving by plane is soaring, growing to more than 27,000 in 2017-18, eclipsing the 18,365 asylum-seekers who arrived by boat at the peak of the refugee crisis.

    Figures show 64,362 people who arrived in Australia by air lodged refugee claims in the four financial years to 2017-18.

    The refusal rate for the so-called onshore asylum claims is about 90 per cent, with only 7615 of applicants granted protection visas that year.

    The figures show 8587 refugee claims were made by those who arrived by air in 2014-15, and 9554 in 2015-16.

    The numbers arriving by plane jumped to 18,290 in 2016-17, hitting 27,931 in 2017-18.

    The biggest onshore asylum claimants by nationality in 2017-18 were Malaysians (9319) and Chinese (9315), followed by Indians (1529), Vietnamese (764) and Pakistanis (589).

    Oz link

  110. 1735099

    But enough about Bill Shorten and Albo.

    So you’re in the habit of using the label of disability as a form of abuse?

    Nice……

  111. JC

    Nurse Betty

    Leave creative writing to creative writers. You’re not one.

    Laughably, you thought that was so interesting you posted it twice. Twice!

    Stick to cleaning bed pans, you zero.

  112. Notafan

    The refusal rate for the so-called onshore asylum claims is about 90 per cent, with only 7615 of applicants granted protection visas that year.

    The big difference?

    Documentation cannot be tossed out of an airplane window

  113. Boambee John

    Cassie of Sydney
    #2939008, posted on February 20, 2019 at 10:18 am
    To the fascist here who is an apologist for totalitarian leftist dictatorships

    Been travelling and don’t have time to catch up with the old thread. re we talking about m0nty or Numbers?

  114. lotocoti

    Crikey.
    Fifty mil. in compensatory damages.
    Two hundred in punitive damages.
    It won’t come to pass, but doubtless there’ll be some sweaty palms amongst the celebrity mob.
    (Via Ace.)

  115. Mater

    No, the enigmata (correct plural, although “enigmas” is acceptable) are the binary blockheads who can’t simultaneously hold two contradictory ideas in their heads at once.

    I was being benevolent, Bob.
    ‘Hypocrite’ was my first thought.

  116. Des Deskperson

    “Yes, that would be the same Duncan Lewis who tried to stop Liberal MPs criticising Islam back in 2015. Furthermore, he claimed criticism of Mohammedanism was “blasphemous.””

    The same Duncan Lewis who lasted only 13 months as Secretary of the Department of Defence, probably an inverted record for a Portfolio Secretary, at least where termination was not a result of a change of government.

  117. JC,
    Will have to engage later on today. Always happy to highlight your hypocrisy and double standards.

    However in the meantime I express my sincere apologies to any Italians or weasels who might be offended by being associated with JC.

  118. struth

    But enough about Bill Shorten and Albo.

    So you’re in the habit of using the label of disability as a form of abuse?

    Nice……

    Morally superior………..yawn.
    They’ll claim it anywhere, (no matter how ridiculous) they can.
    Pathetic.

  119. bespoke

    The biggest onshore asylum claimants by nationality in 2017-18 were Malaysians (9319) and Chinese (9315), followed by Indians (1529), Vietnamese (764) and Pakistanis (589).

    How can you trade with same counties you accept refugees from?

  120. thefrollickingmole

    Reminder, numbers is comfortable with this and sees no downside to kulaks being “reeducated”.

    In its quest for a new socialist order in the South, Hanoi relied on other techniques apart from socialist economic transformation and socialist education. These included thought reform, population resettlement, and internal exile, as well as surveillance and mass mobilization. Party-sponsored “study sessions” were obligatory for all adults. For the former elite of the Saigon regime, a more rigorous form of indoctrination was used; hundreds of thousands of former military officers, bureaucrats, politicians, religious and labor leaders, scholars, intellectuals, and lawyers, as well as critics of the new regime were ordered to “reeducation camps” for varying periods. In mid1985 , the Hanoi government conceded that it still held about 10,000 inmates in the reeducation camps, but the actual number was believed to be at least 40,000. In 1982 there were about 120,000 Vietnamese in these camps. According to a knowledgeable American observer, the inmates faced hard labor, but only rarely torture or execution.

  121. struth

    Reminder, numbers is comfortable with this and sees no downside to kulaks being “reeducated”.

    He’s had a life time to learn his lessons but comes on here expecting to be treated with respect?

  122. bespoke

    Been travelling and don’t have time to catch up with the old thread. re we talking about m0nty or Numbers?

    Showing a public face of Cheerful Squalor (Cuba)–Numbers

  123. JC

    Engage?

    Rooster, we don’t engage. I beat you up and you end up squealing for weeks.

    Stop joining pile ons you useless little fargard. That’s the point.

  124. Johno

    “Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote!” h/t Ben Franklin
    Svn did not sign the agreement. But you knew that Bobby.

    Any lie to advance your arguement.

  125. John Constantine

    https://www.thedailybeast.com/fidel-castros-horrific-record-on-gay-rights

    It wasn’t long after Castro came to power that police began rounding up gay men. In 1965, the regime established prison work camps known as Military Units to Aid Production (UMAP), into which it deposited homosexuals, Jehovah’s Witnesses, and other “undesirable” elements

    Comrades.

  126. 1735099

    You’r all fucking loons

    Takes one to know one……

  127. Confused Old Misfit

    Can you not read?

    There is NO empirical evidence of the onset of catastrophic global warming.
    The predictions are entirely hypothetical.

    A “roughly” 1*C rise is entirely consistent with natural temperature change in an inter-glacial period.
    It cannot be empirically tied to anthropogenic causes.

  128. John Constantine

    Their shorten looting cartel announces that the central planning of irrigation water for dairy farmers, added to the central planning of electricity prices [ massive electricity use for irrigation pumps and milk chillers and hot water washing] added to the need for fifty percent reduction of carbon from cows under the unswerving Paris capitulation means:

    Central planning and control of milk prices.

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/rural/2019-02-20/labor-to-set-milk-floor-price-if-elected-in-2019/10827322

    A proposal for the minimum price that dairy farmers are paid for their milk to be set by government, if Labor is elected at this year’s federal election, has been labelled “hair-brained” by the incumbent Agriculture Minister.

  129. Arky

    The climate has not changed one appreciable iota in your lifetime.
    When your grandchildren are safely in their graves sometime in the 22nd century, there will still be no noticeable change in the climate.

  130. Colonel Crispin Berka, King's Fusiliers Corps.

    friendlyjordies lifts the lid on Clive Palmer’s latest scare story.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ed-FLIsAu00

    In a nutshell: It’s not credible that the DoD sat around and let a hostile foreign power build a military forward deployment point, while UAP’s arguments are a paranoid interpretation of the facts.

    Another pertinent fact jordies doesn’t mention is that Australia does not need to repel a foreign airforce landing at Karratha as long as our main defense force remains the USA Navy 7th Fleet in Tokyo harbour.

  131. John Constantine

    There abc might have meant ‘harebrained’ not ‘hair brained’.

    Hard to be literate when your revolutionary zeal has driven you past frantic and into the vapours.

    Comrades.

  132. John Constantine

    Franking is the new Fraccing.

    Their abc are against tax loopholes, except having your wage paid to your production company.

    That one is okay

    Comrades.

  133. Rohan

    struth
    #2939106, posted on February 20, 2019 at 12:11 pm
    Fharken, if you really believe the world is going to end, put your money where your mouth is.
    If the world ends in 12 years time, I’ll hand over all my life savings to you.
    If it doesn’t, you hand over all your life savings to me.
    Deal?

    Don’t bother struth. I made a bet for a weeks salary that the north pole would be ice free by the height of the northern hemisphere summer of 2015. Because John Cook said it would over at skepticalscience. I’m still waiting for my winnings and got defriended on facechook when I claimed victory.

    Lefties will never ever put their money where their mouth is. You will win the bet but won’t see one red cent.

  134. John Constantine

    Their abc are shocked that cash is paid to people that don’t pay tax because of the evil of Franking.

    Mansplaining with numbers is like birdsong that passes through their left, but they retain the word Franking, which is evil.

    Our market is distorted because people invest in solid profitable businesses that pay franked dividends, says their abc, they should speculate in startups instead.

    Comrades.

  135. Leigh Lowe

    Infidel Tiger
    #2939122, posted on February 20, 2019 at 12:34 pm
    The Daily Caller

    Verified account
    @DailyCaller
    34m34 minutes ago
    More
    CovCath Student Nicholas Sandmann Sues WaPo For $250 Million
    Oh my.

    The media organisations are so screwed.
    The defamation laws set a fairly high bar in the US … except where the target is a minor.
    What really hammers the last nail in is that, even when the full length video surfaced showing Big Chief Shitstirrer initiating and continuing the “confrontation”, the MSM refused to apologise. All they did was divert into, “Well, he’s got such a punchable face.”
    If WaPo lawyers have any sense they will be telling their client to make an offer and put a grovelling apology on the front page.
    I hope the kid uses part of the proceeds to buy a yuuuuge convertible (as big as a whale), gets MAGA-1 plates on it, and drives to somewhere by the beach for spring break with his mates and pick up heaps of bikini-clad chicks (preferably one or two being part-Indian wearing feathered headdresses and not much else).

  136. John Constantine

    Inequality.

    Activist wymynsys declares superannuation is not wealth creation, and that it is wrong to leave inheritance from a self managed super fund.

    We always knew their left sees super as the property of the State.

    Comrades

  137. mh

    ‘Empire’ Actor Jussie Smollett Pleaded Guilty to DUI, Providing False Information to Law Enforcement in 2007

    As the police investigation into the alleged attack against “Empire” actor Jussie Smollett continues, it was revealed Tuesday that in 2007 Smollett pleaded no contest to DUI, driving without a license and providing false information to law enforcement, the L.A. City Attorney’s office confirmed to NBC News.
    Smollett, now 36, was sentenced to two years probation and a choice of a fine or jail in the 2007 case, an L.A. City Attorney’s spokesman told NBC News.
    The case is coming to light as Chicago police investigate whether Smollett made up a story about being the victim of a racially, motivated hate crime. Chicago police have requested LAPD provide them information about the 2007 arrest, according to multiple law enforcement sources familiar the investigation.
    Chicago police officials say they have shifted their focus from a hate crime investigation to one of filing a false report….

    https://www.nbcphiladelphia.com//entertainment/entertainment-news/Jussie-Smollett-2007-DUI-arrest-506058301.html?_osource=SocialFlowFB_PHBrand

  138. C.L.

    CovCath Student Nicholas Sandmann Sues WaPo For $250 Million

    I hate to say it but I doubt very much this suit will succeed.
    WaPo will simply argue they have a constitutionally protected brief to report the news and that they reported an interpretation of the Covington story that was current at that particular time.

  139. Dr Fred Lenin

    The liberals could win the next election easily against the fifth raters of the alp . Flog them with the borders issue,a dead set winner that is . Then remove subsidies from renewables ,make them stand on their own without support ,make them pay for the lines for their new rort farms to join the grid, remove inpositions on coal and re open Hazelwood and stop the closure of liddel ,cutting power prices another sure winner . Then purge the libs of leftist turnbullists , the alp would never see power for years ,so simple but so hard for the career maggots in politics .

  140. Fleeced

    Trump has just created the first new branch of the military in 200 years.
    Space Force – its’s here, baby.

    It feels like an 80s sort of thing. I approve.

  141. Percy Popinjay

    A proposal for the minimum price that dairy farmers are paid for their milk to be set by government, if Labor is elected at this year’s federal election

    LOL. They truly are incapable of doing anything other than raiding each other’s utterly pathetic policies. The one above is straight out of the Nationals’ (and imbeciles like Katter’s) playbook.

  142. dover_beach

    Anglican human rights advocate ejected from Facebook in less than 24 hours for posting picture of Coptic Christians martyred by IS.

    She added the picture as a mark of remembrance on their anniversary. And Facebook close her account offering the most hamfisted reasons. Declare these platforms utilities and be done with it.

  143. Colonel Crispin Berka, King's Fusiliers Corps.

    Central planning and control of milk prices.

    But Australia had a referendum in 1973 asking whether the federal government should establish price controls. The Communist Party of course advocated for it. Thankfully, Australia voted No, though by a rather worryingly slim margin.
    Apparently Labor now thinks they can establish price controls without getting a referendum.
    So which is it? Was the referendum of 1973 constitutionally unnecessary, or are Labor trying to sneak a handball past the referee now?

    Oi, moderators, Sinc, unblock me please.

  144. dover_beach

    Wait! what? Is numbers still here? Shouldn’t he be haranguing his fellow-travelers about the immorality of leaving babies to die via the denial of appropriate medical care?

  145. Percy Popinjay

    Anglican human rights advocate ejected from Facebook in less than 24 hours for posting picture of Coptic Christians martyred by IS

    This is almost as insensitive as having the gall to suggest that jobless j’ismists reposition themselves in the labor market by learning code.

  146. Fleeced

    The liberals could win the next election easily against the fifth raters of the alp . Flog them with the borders issue,a dead set winner that is

    I thought it extremely unlikely, but Iswear, the Libs were probably giddy with joy over their “embarrassing loss” on the medivac bill. Imagine how hard it was for them not to laugh on camera?

    Meanwhile, the state Libs could wind up losing in NSW, despite running a surplus. If they do, it’s Sydney that lost it for them – the city is chaos. And for trams!

  147. C.L.

    … even when the full length video surfaced showing Big Chief Shitstirrer initiating and continuing the “confrontation”, the MSM refused to apologise. All they did was divert into, “Well, he’s got such a punchable face …

    The worst offender was Bill Maher – whose violent-spirited assault on Sandmann became something very much akin to a lengthy and tortuous molestation. He straight-out incited somebody to attack him. I would be happy to see this revolting exemplar of a Hebe knocked out on the street by a member of the Sandmann family.

  148. Fleeced

    A proposal for the minimum price that dairy farmers are paid for their milk to be set by government, if Labor is elected at this year’s federal election.

    At least when we had a floor price for wool, we could stockpile the stuff. Good luck doing that with milk.

  149. dover_beach

    Wrath Of Gnon
    ‏@wrathofgnon
    1h1 hour ago
    More Wrath Of Gnon Retweeted Wrath Of Gnon
    I say It is time we bring back town criers. There would certainly be far less useless laws if they had to be proclaimed in public on a small podium or on horseback, where the politicians could be confronted directly by the public they serve.

    and

    Wrath Of Gnon
    ‏@wrathofgnon
    Following Following @wrathofgnon
    More
    “Dying societies accumulate laws like dying men accumulate remedies.”
    – Nicolás Gómez Dávila

    Brilliant.

  150. Tel

    Central planning and control of milk prices.

    That just begs for a constitutional challenge.

  151. candy

    CovCath Student Nicholas Sandmann Sues WaPo For $250 Million

    I thought Bishop Foy let the boys down in the first place, just jumped to the conclusion the kids were in a racist attack on someone and made them outcasts.

    And even if they had been racist, surely the bishop should be their guide and protector if they go wayward to help them see a better way, not just disown them and shut them out. A man of religion, after all.

  152. C.L.

    It feels like an 80s sort of thing. I approve.

    Me too. Apologies for ‘first new branch in 200 years’ description, however. The article I’d read was making some other allusion with that number; the newest branch is the USAF, of course. I award a doofus award to myself for that one.

  153. Notafan

    What about the Wapo fellow travelers that called Nick Sandmann ‘pure evil’ and the like?

    That is not a version of events.

    As for him being a Trump supporter,that is according to the deposition a big stretch,the kids bought the hats on the trip as souvenirs,not as a political statement.

    In early times the same March for Life group had bought Obama Hope hats

    very informative about the current demonization of Trump and alleged supporters though

  154. Percy Popinjay

    Meanwhile, the state Libs could wind up losing in NSW

    I’m sincerely hoping they do. As part of their mad plan to destroy perfectly functional mass transit systems and replace them with inferior light rail, they’re planning on fucking around with the rail line I use to commute to work over the next few years. If I have to catch a bus to work, it will take about two to three times longer than my current commute.

    That’s really going to make for a lot of happy campers falling over themselves to vote for Beryl G and the stupid.forking.gliberals – not. I’ll also have the joy this evening of listening to the local vagrants tipping over my recycling bin as they desperately scrounge for “containers”, all thanks to the staggeringly stupid “return and earn” scheme the SFGs introduced, which was lifted straight out of the greenfilth’s policies.

    Idiots.

  155. jo

    Bwett behind the ears, explain why I am a homophobe because I think a so called man sticking its dick up another mans fundamental is normal.

  156. Notafan

    Wait! what? Is numbers still here? Shouldn’t he be haranguing his fellow-travelers about the immorality of leaving babies to die via the denial of appropriate medical care?

    Numbers have an opinion about Cuba’s late term pregnancy ‘interruption’ policy?

  157. Speedbox

    If WaPo lawyers have any sense they will be telling their client to make an offer and put a grovelling apology on the front page.

    Time will tell, but I think the Post is in biggum heapum trouble with this – especially because Sandmann is a minor and they absolutely piled on. They either didn’t research or didn’t care and made him look, initially, very bad. Their allegations were completely wrong, demonised the kid to an international audience and then, having obviously screwed up, they didn’t even have the good manners to withdraw, apologise and try to fix the damage.

    They may fight but if I was the Post, I’d be looking for my cheque book, a non-disclosure agreement and the exit.

  158. Tel

    Communist c..nts like Numbers don’t get to come here and pretend to be decent, and to be taken as an equal.

    I completely disagree … he has pretended to be decent on a number of occasions.

  159. duncanm

    The best science can do is make predictions – as it does in plenty of other fields. There is no reason to disbelieve the predictions of the current modelling, as the global temperature is rising broadly in accord with the modelling predictions. “Sceptics” hopes that the “pause” meant the modelling was all hopelessly wrong have been shown to be without foundation.

    95% of models disagree with reality.

  160. CovCath Student Nicholas Sandmann Sues WaPo For $250 Million

    I hate to say it but I doubt very much this suit will succeed.

    I dunno…this is America we’re talking about here where you sue and win for spilling coffee on yourself and where people fight to get ON a crashed public bus so they can rake in the payouts.

    Might not be $twofitty but I reckon Sandmann will be a very rich boy after they’ve finished with everyone. And when they have they can come here and sue the ABC too (please!).

    Then he can donate a chunk to pro-life, conservative and Christian groups and we can sit back and enjoy the screams.

  161. DrBeauGan

    95% of models disagree with reality.

    Feelings don’t care about your facts. H/T Titania McGrath.

  162. Tel

    Warming has more clearly happened in some parts of the globe than others, but I don’t base my judgement on memory (or even records) of what weather was like when I was a younger angel in just one part of Australia (or New Zealand). You, it would seem, do.

    Who you gonna believe? The BOM adjustments to temperature in Darwin, or your lying eyes?

  163. Top Ender

    I scan the Daily Mail website so you don’t have to:

    SIX stories about Karl Lagerfeld.

    Six stories about a bloke who designed clothes and wore sunglasses indoors. And apparently has left a lot of dosh to a cat.

  164. bespoke

    dover_beach
    #2939176, posted on February 20, 2019 at 1:35 pm
    Wait! what? Is numbers still here? Shouldn’t he be haranguing his fellow-travelers about the immorality of leaving babies to die via the denial of appropriate medical care?

    My theory why numbers doesn’t way into contemporary social issues to deep is that he’s a closet social conservative and if found out he would disenfranchised.

  165. dover_beach

    Steven Crowder latest:

    UNDERCOVER: Late-Term Abortion Clinics Exposed!: Our biggest undercover video yet. We go to an abortion clinic in Colorado to expose the truth about late term abortions — a truth the left, and media, do not want you to see.

  166. Fleeced

    I’ll also have the joy this evening of listening to the local vagrants tipping over my recycling bin as they desperately scrounge for “containers”, all thanks to the staggeringly stupid “return and earn” scheme the SFGs introduced

    Oh yes, I’ve seen this too. Have to put the bins out extra late, now – which means I risk forgetting.

    Yes, the Libs have totally messed up the city. I hadn’t been into the city for ages, but caught up with ftriends after Christmas and couldn’t believe what had been done to the place. I’d heard it was bad, but it was far worse than I’d imagined. And now other train lines being closed down (is it the Epping-Chatswood line? I don’t use it, but I recall others complaining). Unbelievable amount of chaos. Buses suck, with their tortuous routes – far worse than trains. Trains are crowded, smelly, and often late, but they tend to travel in a straight fkn line (when they’re working).

    And they haven’t even been that great economically. Sure, there’s a surplus, but they could have whacked stamp duty or payroll tax, but decided to try new stadiums and trams, instead. Then there’s closing down Sydney, lockout laws, anti-vaping, and so on, and so forth.

    ALP would be its own form of disaster, but then… ugh. Honestly, choosing between these two parties is like choosing between two deadly poisons. So you try and choose the most pleasant tasting, only to find out afterwards that it’s to be administered rectally.

  167. Ubique

    Re: the Jihadi bride Shimima Begum having her British citizenship cancelled.

    It’s time Britain and Australia each reviewed their multicultural policies as ones that deter integration and assimilation; and in doing so act to promote separatism and social disharmony; and actively encourage terrorism.

    In this respect the 15 year-old Shimima Begum and her school friends who left Britain to become Jihadi brides can be considered victims of multicultural policies.

    Discuss.

  168. Fleeced

    SIX stories about Karl Lagerfeld.

    I saw a few of those stories on media. It’s always funny when media is breathlessly reporting the death of someone you’ve never heard of as though it’s a major development.

  169. Farmer Gez

    Hark’s experts still cannot predict an ENSO event till barely six weeks before its onset.
    The world’s largest weather event and a solid contributor to climate records eludes them.
    Mug punters.

  170. Notafan

    Shimima Begum

    Either she did more than she claimed or or her lack of contrition and likely future involvement in domestic terror was too much, any chance British Intelligence services have a dossier of sorts?

    are the left going mad at the denial of her human rights?

    Will Walid pen an oped full of really big words condemning the lack of compassion for a young girl who made a terrible mistake?

    No tweets from Young Australian big mouth of the decade?

    Could Ms Phelps sponsor her to come here, I’m sure she is no worse that some of the gentlemen of Manus

  171. Makka

    I doubt numbers brainwashed the kids in Special Ed

    Without a doubt, numbers would have indoctrinated the kids into their status on the victimhood totem pole with a good understanding of socialist ideals.

  172. Mark from Melbourne

    Not sure if hotels qualify as “property porn” but this refurbished TWA terminal at JFK is sure something…

    H/T Insty

  173. Overburdened

    Back from 2nd surf for the day. Just good.
    Catching up-
    Cyclones, earthquakes, drought and all other aspects of nature within the Planet and its atmosphere have fuck all to do with humans, who must abide with the conditions.
    I’m looking forward to the opportunity to declare that I’ve been smolletted and seek kudos and reward.
    Your friend numbers appears to be a smarmy fuckwit. I am reminded of Oscar Wilde’s observation that the mediocre man is always at his best.
    I am aware that whatever l say has no material impact on any of the punters here and I’m good with that.

  174. Jihadi bride Shimima Begum having her British citizenship cancelled.

    Good. And she won’t be rendered stateless. She is/was part of Islamic STATE, the self-declared Caliphate. Tough shit if they don’t issue passports or have a “State” anymore. Anyone who joins ISIS should have their citizenship cancelled immediately, they don’t recognise International law so why should it be held up as protection when it’s convenient?

  175. Twostix

    It’s like 2013 all over again. Numbers and a climate change loser pretending the everyman doesn’t hate their guts.

  176. struth

    Fharken.

    The vast majority of Australians do not believe in man made climate change.
    They way they vote proves it.
    You are a gullible twat.
    When people expect the world to end, you can expect them to be in more of a panic than the grown ups.
    You are full of assumptions and naïve about the world.
    We have tried to help you get over this.
    You won’t go and research anything, you’d prefer to just believe those who’s whole livelihoods , and those making squillions out of rorting from this hoax, and global socialists who see no need for the rest of the world that is not the west to explode in coal power generation. etc etc, you won’t follow the money flow and just come on here hyperventilating about the end of the world.
    Can you now tell us who runs and who are members of the UN and what their agenda might be.

    How do those poor school kids become so brainwashed they are out there claiming the world will end in twelve years.

    Get a brown paper bag and breath in and out in it.
    Count to ten.
    Take a few pills if you have to, but calm the fuck down, you’re embarrassing yourself.

    Good job, stasi Bob.

  177. Overburdened

    A final observation on this numbers person, the fact that numbers continues to try and bait this site is evidence that there is no satisfaction for those desperate to think that they are important or are making a difference, and that if there was any intellectual rigour or credentials, such people would be selling their story in a forum of consequence.
    This comment is not to feed this numbers person. As l have remarked on various occasions, l don’t talk with clowns.

  178. duncanm

    Fark!

    The great majority of climate scientists are satisfied that modelling, even if it has run a tad “hotter” over some periods, is pointing the way upwards for both ocean and air temperatures, with no magic “off” switch for temperature increases to stop soon if CO2 increases.

  179. feelthebern

    The Vietnamese cleaned Cambodia out (too late to avoid the genocide) and that upset the Chinese no end.

    Odd to see the way numbers refers to maniac on maniac genocide.

  180. Eyrie

    Small fusion reactors are fairly easy to build but don’t produce more energy than they take to run. Available as commercial neutron sources.
    Look up Philo Farnsworth, then Energy Matter Conversion Corporation, Polywell and Doc Bussard. Yes, that Bussard who worked on Kiwi, Rover and Nerva and is the inventor of the so far fictional Bussard ramjet which fetured in some 1970s Larry Niven early Known Space stories.

  181. struth

    The great majority of climate scientists are satisfied

    You know them all?

    Let me fix that for you.

    Those that are paid by governments to come up with the right results (and they haven’t been) are the only ones you get to hear from.

    Lefties see government as a church.
    Dumb as dogshit.
    Apparently, contrary to all of history, government and bureaucracy is not corrupt and would never put bad propaganda about to gain more control.
    That would never happen.
    And people who’s status and salary and indeed relevance at all in this world, who are in the pseudo sciences of this shite, are all honest as a boy scout.
    There’s naivety, and then there’s just the religious fanaticism of the left.
    Their religion being government and bureaucracy, and it cannot be questioned.

  182. Makka

    The evidence of a roughly 1 degree rise in global temperature over the 20th century to now is empirical.

    Moron. Climate has varied across the millenia since the dawn of time , long before the industrial age. As yet there is no scientific proof that CO2 occurrence from mankind has any significant negative impact whatsoever on climate. The expensive “scientific” models constructed on AGW theory have been so wrong ALWAYS, they are a standing joke. Because the theory is bullshit.

    Whereas that great big glowing warm thing in the sky has been proven to be the biggest , most effective differentiation in climate and temps on this planet. Forever. But you can’t control the sun, can you.

    An inconvenient truth, as that simple fact lays bare all your green AGW horseshit for what it truly is; a scam. A scam to fleece populations for their money, to control Govt’s and Govt policy and force lies down the throats of the young.

    No wonder green idiots like you are roundly despised.

  183. struth

    The great majority of climate scientists are satisfied they’re funding is assured because their modelling, even if it has run a tad “hotter” over some periods, is pointing the way upwards for both ocean and air temperatures, with no magic “off” switch for temperature increases to stop soon if CO2 increases.

  184. areff

    This is great. Elderly supermarket owner vows that thieves are going to get a whuppin’ — and anyone propositioning lady shoppers will get a good biffing too.

  185. struth

    BoM has not adjusted one temperature from early last century up, I’ve noticed.
    It’s always down.
    Every single one.

    Funny about that.
    Now who pays BoM?
    Are they a government department run by lefties.

    Why yes Struth, yes they are.

    After the march through t he institutions, we find government can magically find there are more than two sexes.
    How hard is an extra degree to find after that?

  186. Snoopy

    Available as commercial neutron sources.

    Surely it’s time to rehabilitate the neutron bomb? Is there any other ordnance which is so climate friendly?

  187. Fleeced

    The vast majority of Australians do not believe in man made climate change.

    A more accurate statement would be that they don’t believe in catastrophic climate change. And they certainly don’t believe in the proposed policies to “fix” it. John Q Public can’t help but be a tad skeptical about solutions to an invisible problem, that will cost them money with no way to measure their effectiveness, no matter how much they might accept other claims from climate alarmists.

    CA: The climate is changing.
    JQ: Is that so?
    CA: It’s getting warmer and warmer.
    JQ: Why?
    CA: Man is causing it.
    JQ: I see. Is it bad?
    CA: It’s the end of the world!
    JQ: Oh, right. Sure it is.
    CA: We’re all going to die.
    JQ: Meh, what can you do.
    CA: Actually, there is something you can do.
    JQ: Really?
    CA: Yes.
    JQ: The planet is really dying?
    CA: It is.
    JQ: And you just happen to know how to save it?
    CA: I do.
    JQ: Let me guess…
    CA: Just a few dollars a week.

    Can’t imagine why the public isn’t buying it. Especially when the problem keeps turning out to be worse than we’d thought, and we have to fork over more cash, despite already spending trillions globally – to say nothing of opportunity costs and lifestyle adjustments – and still with no way to measure the effectiveness of any of our contributions.

    A Nigerian prince has more credibility.

  188. Notafan

    While admitting there are a lot of grey areas around Ms Begum’s case, Mr Rozenberg said her son is “presumably entitled to British citizenship”.

    He added since her son “certainly hasn’t been registered as a Bangladeshi”, he would “in principle would be allowed to come to this country”.

    apparently Begum has an entitlement to Bangladeshi citizenship

  189. struth

    Socialism will save da planet!!, as they struggle with the immense pressure of chasing renegade cow farts.

    You couldn’t make it up, honesty, but then again, obviously I’m wrong there.

  190. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Their allegations were completely wrong, demonised the kid to an international audience and then, having obviously screwed up, they didn’t even have the good manners to withdraw, apologise and try to fix the damage.

    I can still get quite upset thinking about the fourteen year old girl at a football match here in Australia who was similarly demonized in front of a huge crowd and then by the mass media. She was held by police and security guards without formal charges for many hours and without an adult representative. Her facially-identifying photograph was illegally displayed on TV and in the press next to accounts of her declared but unproven ‘racism’. This girl child from a poor and single-parent family, people without influence, has received absolutely no contrition or apology from the rich adult man who made false accusations against her. This is even though the accusations made were entirely due to his own construction of the circumstances and bore no relationship to the actions or words of this child. She has, I am led to believe, still received no recognition and apology for the stress and anguish this event entailed for her, nor for any deleterious effect it may have had and still may be having on her education and future, and she has certainly received no financial redress for any of it.

    I am surprised no smart lawyer has offered her pro-bono services. It could not, of course, be a lawyer of a leftist persuasion for whom a child is only a child if they serve ‘the cause’. Otherwise, they are fair game.

  191. Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely

    Cats going up. wanken numerics going down.

  192. Leigh Lowe

    C.L.

    #2939169, posted on February 20, 2019 at 1:29 pm

    CovCath Student Nicholas Sandmann Sues WaPo For $250 Million

    I hate to say it but I doubt very much this suit will succeed.

    (Sorry for the length of this).
    There are three categories of defamation litigant in the USA …
    (1) “Public figures”. These are largely fair game for media criticism;
    (2) Average Joe adults. Not as difficult for them to mount a defamation action, but the bar is still pretty high;
    (3) Minors. Paradoxically, the criteria for a defamation case on behalf of a minor is extremely low. From memory, it merely needs to be shown that the kid has suffered damage. They don’t even have to prove malice or negligence.

    WaPo will simply argue they have a constitutionally protected brief to report the news and that they reported an interpretation of the Covington story that was current at that particular time.

    Except, WaPo and others did not simply use their normal fig-leaf of “sources confirm” and “community leaders say”.
    They reported the “confrontation” as fact, and that the Sandman was not only the instigator, but that he was motivated by racist malice.
    Forgetting WaPo and other US publications for a moment, Sandman will almost certainly succeed in other jurisdictions.
    For example, in 2017 the Daily Mail in the UK paid Melania Trump GBP 1.5m and just last month the Telegraph in the UK paid a large settlement to her as well. I am not sure of the source of the Daily Mail story, but the Telegraph one re-hashed extracts from a 2016 book published in the US. Now, the publication in the US was not actionable, but as soon as it was re-published in the UK jurisdiction the trap was sprung.
    Exactly one week from publication to grovelling apology and payout.
    A valuable lesson for those repeating in the UK and Australia what has been published unscathed in the US.
    I’m looking at you, ABC.

  193. Makka

    Trump announcing AG Barr’s replacement for Rosenstein. The next one should be that limp wristed clown Wray.

  194. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    A Nigerian prince has more credibility.

    This suitably apt comparator summarises the case very well, Fleeced.

  195. Dr Faustus

    I thought Bishop Foy let the boys down in the first place, just jumped to the conclusion the kids were in a racist attack on someone and made them outcasts.

    The Sandmann kiddie’s lawyers think the same. The complaint against WaPo notes:

    A false and defamatory statement of and concerning Nicholas was also published by the Diocese of Covington on January 19 before a proper investigation had been conducted by the Diocese.

    Given that this false and defamatory statement was gleefully repeated by WaPo and forms a major part of the actual harm claimed to be done, you would expect the Diocese will also be checking its insurance policy wording.

  196. Notafan

    At least the Diocese investigated, retracted and apologized.

  197. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Minors. Paradoxically, the criteria for a defamation case on behalf of a minor is extremely low. From memory, it merely needs to be shown that the kid has suffered damage. They don’t even have to prove malice or negligence.

    Hmmm. How about Australian law on this?
    Maybe there is hope yet for the kid simply enjoying herself at the football.
    A sympathetic psychologist could do much to assist that kid to recall the trauma and relate it the child’s current problems, if any. Sympathetic lawyer, go you good thing, go.

    The other side dancing on this inglorious affair certainly could do with a bit of come-uppance.

    Was there ever even a police enquiry? Or paid counselling of the young victim?

  198. 1735099

    The vast majority of Australians do not believe in man made climate change.

    Wrong.

  199. Boambee John

    I am shocked that Pharten Now is not vigorously advocating the construction of multiple nuclear power reactors in Australia.

    After all, if we must reduce CO2 emissions to save the world, this must be the quickest and most effective way to both do that and provide a reliable electrical power system.

    Strangely, however, he isn’t. Surely this isn’t all about destroying western industrial civilisation as called for by that wonderful specimen of a human being Maurice Strong?

  200. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    areff – could you string together for Quadrant Online the sense of the arguments being put here for the American lad and incorporate them into a comparison with the young Australian girl?
    Worth doing, or not?

  201. Notafan

    The 13 year old girl did call Goodes an ape

    Nick Sandmann did nothing except smile awkwardly, the Native American told a pack of lies

    I’m not sure it is apples with apples

  202. duncanm

    1735099
    #2939255, posted on February 20, 2019 at 3:24 pm
    The vast majority of Australians do not believe in man made climate change.

    Wrong.

    Number’s refutes statement by citing poll that doesn’t mention “man made” anywhere in the question.

    .. and this man taught.

  203. Makka

    The vast majority of Australians do not believe in man made climate change.

    Wrong.

    The whole world once believed the world was flat. Doctors at one time saw no adverse effects from smoking. Most Australians don’t know their a/hole from their elbow when it comes to junk “climate science”.

    All you have shown numbers is that propaganda works, which every good communist knows.

  204. I wish I had thought of the scam sooner.

    Gimme money NOW! Or you will fry!

    money pot.

  205. Anthony

    The, at times, relentless attack on Trump over the past two years seems to have lost traction, completely. The paucity of the claims against him, and the quality of the claims don’t seem to scare anyone any more. Instead, the venality of the DOJ and FBI attacks seem almost laughable in their poison; Waters, Pelosi and the rest stumble over their words, becoming caricatures of their own nastiness.
    Thirty-four percent of states are taking Trump’s Federal Government to the Ninth Circus Court on the basis that they, now, do not want a protective wall across the southern border of the country. This is regardless of the fact that 68% appear not to support it. A majority of Americans want that protection – that the Democrats once wanted – but now don’t.
    The behaviour of the Ninth Circuit Court has become a laughing stock around the world.
    More and more Democrat supporters are attempting to hoax the people by accusing Trump supporters of the most ridiculous crimes.
    The character assassination of Kavanaugh really was criminal.
    The Democrats make the US look so pathetically stupid I feel so sorry for them. They are in a hole they won’t climb out of for decades.

  206. Arky

    even with climate the sensible left and sensible right could find a solution:
    New gen of safe nuclear, interim of gas and cleaner coal.
    The loons snd scammers took viable solutions off the table

  207. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    The evidence of a roughly 1 degree rise in global temperature over the 20th century to now is empirical.

    Please be more precise about the fix in this pathetic claim. I suggest:

    … is empirically adjusted to cover all and any deficits in time, geographic location and spread, individuated placement, reading methods and the physical instrumentation used (assumed untampered of course), this adjustment taking place by the highly scientific technique of fiddling with whatever limited and often specious data you have until you get the desired result and declaring it to be that true Holy Grail of climate ‘science’ – a ‘world’ temperature.

    Somewhat akin to the predicted but never discovered ‘tropospheric hotspot’.

    Beg for nuclear, greenies, or get out, because otherwise you are not even serious.

  208. Geriatric Mayfly

    Are you ready folks??? Be sure to abandon whatever you are doing and tune in for Macklin giving her valedictory speech at 1600 hrs. Just caught a glimpse of her in full sail across the Chamber. The Parliamentary dining room has been over generous in her calorie allocation.

  209. mh

    Mentioned by Tom yesterday, this Tucker Carlson editorial is superb

  210. 1735099

    Number’s refutes statement (sic) by citing poll that doesn’t mention “man made” anywhere in the question.

    The statements polled were in two parts –
    1. “climate change is a serious and pressing problem. We should begin taking steps now even if this involves significant costs.”

    And

    2. “the government should focus on renewables, even if this means we may need to invest more in infrastructure to make the system more reliable”.

    You expect us to believe that the people agreeing with these statements (84% of those polled) didn’t recognise AGM?

    You’re kidding…..

  211. Arky

    Social welfare could be opt in at 18 for a bigger tax rate but elligeble for benefits.
    Run two systems

  212. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    The loons snd scammers took viable solutions off the table

    Absolutely, Arky. Should viable solutions prove necessary (which is very debatable given current modelling failures) then a sensible statesman like John Howard pointed it out nearly a decade ago: go nuclear. That is the only viable solution for an industrial civilization and to sustain the world population if the ‘problem’ truly exists. There are very many good reasons to believe that the beat up is increasing in intensity and lowering in value in inverse proportion to the production of real evidence to support the CO2 AGW theories. The less evidence so far and the more fear of collapse of the enterprise so many profit by, then the more wailing is necessary to stir the voters to support it. It is sniffing more and more like the end days of Paul Erhlich’s doomsaying.

  213. 1735099

    Thirty-four percent of states are taking Trump’s Federal Government to the Ninth Circus Court on the basis that they, now, do not want a protective wall across the southern border of the country. This is regardless of the fact that 68% appear not to support it. A majority of Americans want that protection – that the Democrats once wanted – but now don’t.

    Wrong.

  214. lotocoti

    Instead of hitting the beach, I flipped through the APPG islamophobia defined paper.
    You could read through the 62 pages, or just the one sentence which sums up the rest:

    Ali and Witham further their concern about the boundaries between Islamophobia and free speech by arguing that “there is no ‘good faith’ criticism of Islam”.

  215. Arky

    See?
    They aren’t serious about global warming.
    If half the shit was true a nuclear reactor next door would be the least of their worries.
    They know it’s bullshit.

  216. Arky

    The next gen of nuke will be very safe, very clean.
    Robotics will make mining a processing very safe.

  217. Infidel Tiger

    Mentioned by Tom yesterday, this Tucker Carlson editorial is superb

    Jizzie Smollett has left Empire to star in a new Courtroom/Prison drama.

  218. Mater

    Renewables have their challenges, but at least do not have anything like the large scale safety issues of nuclear.

    Perpetual Motion also has it’s challenges, and does not have anything like the large scale safety issues of nuclear.

  219. Dr Fred Lenin

    Dr Faustus , I got really pissed off when the diocese condemned the boys without a shred of evidence . The hypocricy was worthy of a socialist , these diocese people were the same mob who moved paedophile priests from parish to parish when the were sprung for their perversion,,covering up for them . The church has always claimed infallibility to cover its crimes against the people ,the are the same a career pollies a rotten bunch .

  220. Speedbox

    I wish I had thought of the scam sooner.

    Heavens yes. Could have made $$$$ by now if I thought anybody would take it seriously. Remember when Al Gore’s movie came out in 2006? Although ‘global warming’ alarmism had been around for a while, this movie was a major influencer of ‘Joe Public’. Millions were sucked in and Governments effectively got the green light to plunder the public purse in the name of the fight against global warming. Those who were alert to the scam quickly recognised the signals and piled on. And haven’t we been paying ever since.

  221. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    An ape is not a term of racist abuse unless it is interpreted in that way by someone hypersensitive to issues of race. It is a comparator to an animal, not a reference to an incorrect theory of evolution. Insulting people as animals (apes, dogs, donkeys, pigs, chickens, etc) is a form of popular insult. So is calling someone mentally incapable, for she could just as easily have called out ‘ya big idiot’. It is not polite, nor to be encouraged, but it is not a racist hate crime. Similarly, wearing an MAGA hat will only incite people who are hypersensitive to certain political interpretations not intended by the wearer.

    If I was her lawyer I would mount an argument along those lines. It is reasonable especially with regard to a fourteen year old child.

  222. areff

    Lizzie: True, but I have my hands chocka just now, not least in trying to get the renovated site to actually, you know, work.

    To those who have complained (with good cause) about the font being too small, that should finally change for the better in the next few days, as I’ve just signed off on a pumped-up proof page.

    Again, if there are any WordPress developers who can lend a hand with further renovating the site after the developers have slunk off (with a fortune), please get in touch.

  223. Makka

    numbers:

    Thirty-four percent of states are taking Trump’s Federal Government to the Ninth Circus Court on the basis that they, now, do not want a protective wall across the southern border of the country. This is regardless of the fact that 68% appear not to support it. A majority of Americans want that protection – that the Democrats once wanted – but now don’t.

    Wrong.

    Sure. People just crave open borders and free movement of Mexicans into their community, like these dudes;

    A woman has been beheaded by kidnappers after her family was unable to pay the ransom demanded.

    The decapitated body of Susana Carrera was found last Wednesday inside a bag in a carpark in the coastal Mexican city of Coatzacoalcos in the state of Veracruz.

    She had been kidnapped a week earlier outside a friend’s house where she had gone to pick up one of her children.

    numbers,
    In huge polls taken by left biased media after Trump’s recent SOTU address over 70% of US citizens supported his agenda.

    Fk off with your propaganda.

  224. Des Deskperson

    Disgraced former ABF Commissioner Roman Quaedvlieg’s girlfriend has pleaded guilty to providing false information about their relationship:.

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-02-20/border-force-chief-roman-quaedvliegs-girlfriend-guilty-plea/10829332

    ABC reporting on the case seemed to be implying that the government vindictively brought the charges against Ms Rogers in retaliation for claims – some of them confused over dates and times – by Quadbike that Dutton had acted corruptly. I somehow doubt the ABC is happy about the guilty plea.

    For a while there, Quadblke was the ABC/Fairfax go-to person on all aspects of security. His views were not distinguished by depth or originality of analysis, but they suited ‘progressive’ prejudices:

    https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/as-bad-as-a-muslim-hate-preacher-ex-border-force-boss-wants-gavin-mcinnes-banned-from-australia-20181121-p50hdl.html

    I suspect he is not all that bright.

  225. Bruce in WA

    Thirty-four percent of states are taking Trump’s Federal Government to the Ninth Circus Court on the basis that they, now, do not want a protective wall across the southern border of the country. This is regardless of the fact that 68% appear not to support it. A majority of Americans want that protection – that the Democrats once wanted – but now don’t.

    Wrong.

    Your poll didn’t say they didn’t support it or want it … they were asked how much of a priority it was and whether the President should compromise — but still get it built.

  226. calli

    They either didn’t research or didn’t care and made him look, initially, very bad. Their allegations were completely wrong, demonised the kid to an international audience and then, having obviously screwed up, they didn’t even have the good manners to withdraw, apologise and try to fix the damage.

    Speaking of international audiences, our wonderful ABC continued to display the original, false story about Sandman on their webpage days after it was known to be wrong.

    I hope they look over the horizon at these plicks.

  227. Boambee John

    Pharten Now

    dubious economics because of the reduction in renewables costs.

    Excellent, no more need for the RET and subsidies. Let ruinables run free. Of course, the minor detail of running hospitals, traffic lights or any form of industry at midnight on a windless day might be a minor problem, but a few unicorn pharts will cover the gap.

    Having reliable power for the all-electric train and truck networks could also be an issue, but I’m sure Pharten Now has a solution for us, neat, logical, unworkable.

  228. Notafan

    She was thirteen and I’m pretty sure calling dark skinned people apes monkeys is generally considered to be a racial slur , I’ll allow a thirteen year old not to realize.

    Beside three and a half years later it is late now though, and perhaps someone should ask if she or her guardians would be interested in being placed back in the limelight .

    And really, that calling someone a racial slur in a very public place is the same as wearing a major political party campaign hat that says “Make America Great Again” ?

    She’d only turned 13 five days beforehand. She was technically still 12. She had no idea what she was saying.”

    The girl, Julia, was escorted from the ground by security guards after she was identified by Goodes as having called him an “ape”. The player called on the media not to vilify her and refused to press charges.

    Mother calls for an apology

  229. John Constantine

    LKO lakes oil announce they have raised enough capital to do a gas drill in the south australian onshore otway basin.

    Not a tip for LKO [ because the fraction of a cent shareprice and huge number of shares on issue makes trading them too hard–consolidation time?.]

    LKO however are doing Gods work in fighting the way the yarragrad godless commos have confiscated their private property without compensation by banning all onshore vicco gas exploration.

    Tyranny means banning gas exploration while giving your sponsors a contract to build a gas import plant, and importing a big enough voteherd to win an election on the strength of your corruption.

    Comrades.

  230. Boambee John

    Pharten Now

    perhaps on some formerly pretty piece of coastline,

    Prettyness made “former” by a wind farm, perhaps?

  231. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    You don’t fool anyone who has a clue.

    Says the troll who put up that pretentious cherry-picked paper about a ‘decrease’ in snow cover in the US, a piece of wishful thinking which suffered from all of the methodological issues I allude to above re obtaining any useful ‘world temperature’; and then some.

    Bad modelling will always be open to confounders and biases. Bad data will always be bad data. Bad statistical analysis will always be mere pirouetting. I’ve seen a lot of it in epidemiology. I know it when I see it; sadly, far too few do, and even more sadly, back-scratching confirmation-biased refereeing means often truth won’t out until it becomes impossible to ignore. As the hypothesis of CO2 warming is essentially unfalsifiable, its defeat can only be political and is likely to take more than my lifetime to bring about. Geophysicist Peter Ridd has written well on the process of creating ‘fake’ science, and has, like Dr. Semmelweis in the nineteenth century and many others in the history of science, suffered in society for his honesty.

  232. candy

    At least the Diocese investigated, retracted and apologized.

    I still think as religious person of significance supposedly caring about his flock and especially young kids, he could have been supportive and guided them – even if there was racism. The kids were just dumped.

    It’s like the bishop thought of himself first – worried about his self first and foremost – and accusations of racism affecting him. The emotional state of the young person(s) involved was not important to him.

    Actually, the Bishop’s words probably made it all much worse and the media took their cue from him as well?

  233. Atoms for Peace

    I see we have a nuk u lar troll expert today. What an enrichment to the site.

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