Open Forum: February 23, 2019

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  1. Johno

    I remember reading in one of the Sunday papers back in the 1970s, How the Russians were planning to somehow put giant foil covered reflectors in space to heat the world up because we were heading straight for an Ice Age.
    God bless Russia,Join me numbers.

  2. JC

    Yea, that was soviet consensus science, kind of like gerbil warming science of today.

  3. John Constantine

    The Tyrannical response to the failure of Centrally planned recycling rorts is simple.

    Ration peoples rights to use and consume stuff.

    Watch for even smaller bins, and show trials for those unsound in their consumption patterns.

    Comrades.

  4. Nick

    An unusual looking lady who drives a fairly expensive late model Jeep, goes through our recycling bins to collect bottles, just before the garbos do. I don’t know why she bothers.

  5. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    To blame all the world’s ills on any ideology or group of ideologies, is intellectually lazy and a sad cop-out.

    It would be if I did that, but I don’t. It is totalitarian thinking that I disagree with and you can find that in many places, from families and local communities right up to governments. It is also a refusal to examine the driving forces behind events, both familial, governmental, and inter-governmental, that causes many of the world’s problems. A desire to control the lives of others, and a refusal to recognize the benefits to human social life of a market system of production, exchange and accumulation, and a wish to change this system, is what I very much object to condoning. I have no problem with caring for those who require care; none at all.

    Green madness is also a part of my mix of condemnation, and also gender madness; both beloved of leftwing thinking and thinkers who exercise on these factors their totalitarian bent. They are wrong, and I will call them out on it rather than remain silent, as they intend me to be.

  6. bespoke

    JC
    #2942062, posted on February 24, 2019 at 12:35 pm
    Bespoke
    Do you collect them walking a supermarket trolley around the hood?

    HAHAHA!!! and I told some sad creepy guy I was a Vet.

  7. Tel

    The Russians don’t believe in all that CO2 warming stuff, they have theories based on solar cycles.

    Regardless of what causes climate to change, Russia could not possibly be worse off in a warmer world. They have everything to gain and nothing to lose.

  8. bespoke

    1735099 scrolls past Lizzie?

  9. JC

    They have everything to gain and nothing to lose.

    That’s not theoretically true. If there was warming to the extent that it melted Siberia not only would they be fucked but the rest of us too.

    To be honest, I do have some concerns with both sides of the warming argument and this is where I come out. I’m not a scientist but I have a little expertise with risk. We do have the potential to move away from coal based energy over the next decade as Gen 4 reactors come on stream. Left unhobbled Gen 4 would provide all the energy we need and then some more at very low prices. Risk reward suggests we should move in that direction.

  10. Confused Old Misfit

    The problem with your communism is that is doesn’t scale up.
    The problem with your socialism is that it doesn’t scale down.

  11. JC

    To clarify

    We do have potential to move away from coal based energy beyond the next decade as Gen 4 reactors come on stream

  12. 1735099

    “A desire to control the lives of others”.
    It wasn’t the socialists/communists (strike out which doesn’t apply) who conscripted 20 year-olds in the sixties and seventies, Lizzie. That was pretty controlling…..
    I guess the fact they were fighting the “commies” made it all OK.

  13. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    It slways worries me when someone backs an idea they insist will require no brain.

    A fair cop, Arky. The metaphor is intellectually lazy about intellectual laziness. lol.

    We shall have to find another way of saying that only those of extremely low IQ would be against something because you don’t have to exercise much brain power to see the value of accepting the proposal under consideration. In other words, it’s obvious.

  14. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Zulu.
    Found it!

    Thank you, muddy.

  15. Mater

    It wasn’t the socialists/communists (strike out which doesn’t apply) who conscripted 20 year-olds in the sixties and seventies, Lizzie. That was pretty controlling…..

    Are you sure, Bob?
    Might be worth a scan of the Socialist/Communist countries of the day.

  16. bespoke

    1735099
    #2942078, posted on February 24, 2019 at 12:53 pm
    “A desire to control the lives of others”.
    It wasn’t the socialists/communists (strike out which doesn’t apply) who conscripted 20 year-olds in the sixties and seventies, Lizzie. That was pretty controlling…..
    I guess the fact they were fighting the “commies” made it all OK.

    and back to that.

  17. Confused Old Misfit

    Risk reward suggests we should move in that direction.

    While I agree with you 100%, I see no way around the nuclear waste problem. Personally, bury it as deep as possible.
    But I’m not one of the loony left who will be screaming that it will be around for centuries and their childeren will have the legs and four arms and be back to front.

  18. Arky

    It wasn’t the socialists/communists (strike out which doesn’t apply) who conscripted 20 year-olds in the sixties and seventies, Lizzie. That was pretty controlling…..

    ..
    Errr… Yes it was.
    Washingyon Post:

    HONG KONG, MAY 16 — China admitted today that it sent 320,000 combat troops to Vietnam to fight against U.S. forces and their South Vietnamese allies. In a report monitored in Hong Kong, the semi-official China News Service said China sent the soldiers to Vietnam during the 1960s and spent over $20 billion to support Hanoi’s regular North Vietnamese Army and Viet Cong guerrilla units. The disclosure was made a month after military officials in the Soviet Union admitted that a contingent of Soviet advisers in Vietnam took part in combat against U.S. forces and helped shoot down American planes.

  19. Farmer Gez

    A desire to control the lives of others”.
    It wasn’t the socialists/communists (strike out which doesn’t apply) who conscripted 20 year-olds in the sixties and seventies, Lizzie. That was pretty controlling…..
    I guess the fact they were fighting the “commies” made it all OK.

    The young Russian conscripts sent to Afghanistan must have imagined they were there.
    A step too far Numbers.

  20. Mater

    While I agree with you 100%, I see no way around the nuclear waste problem. Personally, bury it as deep as possible.

    If the renewable spruikers truly believe that battery technology will catch up with our drive into the renewable economy, why do they not believe that nuclear technology will do the same.
    There will come a time when technology will allow us to dig up nuclear waste and either neutralise it or use it as the fuel of tomorrow.

  21. 1735099

    Errr… Yes it was.

    Yep, and some of those sneaky socialists/communists (strike out which doesn’t apply) obviously infiltrated Menzies Coalition government. After all, they were “liberals”.

  22. Des Deskperson

    ‘A proposal by the ACT Government, announced this week, would see a variety of plastic items banned across Canberra, in an attempt to eliminate plastic waste.’

    According to the ABC headline, ‘Ban on single-use plastics in Canberra welcome news to many businesses already going green’.

    Well , the item actually only identifies three businesses, one of which, the ANU fruit and veggie shop at the ANU, is a monopoly with a captive market.

  23. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    That was pretty controlling…..

    Yes, agreed. It was. I don’t agree with conscription unless the enemy is definitely at the gates and current forces are insufficient with no volunteers. However, there may be debate as to when that point is reached.

    I don’t think it was reached in Australia in the 1970’s. An over-reaction to a real threat though.
    Communism was circling much of South-East Asia and some containment was required.

    You did have the opportunity to conscientiously object. I have spoken to men copping the bad marble who did this, even on grounds of objection to this particular war. They were mostly immediately removed for spurious medical reasons way before entry. Heel spurs, short-sight, flat feet, etc. Others smoked a pak of ciggies in a telephone booth prior to the medical and claimed asthma. One told me they shook his hand and said he should not be disappointed as he could still be a useful citizen.

    The army didn’t want men who didn’t want to fight. Why would they?

  24. mh

    bespoke
    #2942082, posted on February 24, 2019 at 12:57 pm
    1735099
    #2942078, posted on February 24, 2019 at 12:53 pm
    “A desire to control the lives of others”.
    It wasn’t the socialists/communists (strike out which doesn’t apply) who conscripted 20 year-olds in the sixties and seventies, Lizzie. That was pretty controlling…..
    I guess the fact they were fighting the “commies” made it all OK.

    and back to that.

    It’s pathetic isn’t it.

  25. zyconoclast

    John Constantine
    #2942054, posted on February 24, 2019 at 12:27 pm

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-02-23/canberra-businesses-already-banning-single-use-plastic/10833290

    Re-usable condoms.
    You know it makes sense.

  26. JC

    While I agree with you 100%, I see no way around the nuclear waste problem.

    Gen 4’s eat up most of the waste and leave very little. If what is written about these contraptions is true, these things are a technological marvel.

  27. Top Ender

    Or perhaps Australian troops should never have been sent to Europe or Africa in ww2 because it had nothing to do with us

    The military term is “centre of gravity”.

    The Germans and Italians being successful in Europe would have impacted massively on Australia. It would have meant their alliance with Japan would have been even more successful, and eventually the Axis would have rolled over the USA and Australia.

    The centre of gravity for Australia in 1939-41 was quite rightly Europe, and that is why Hec Waller was fighting in the Mediterranean, and Emile Dechaineux was engaged at Dunkirk – just two of Australia’s fighting heroes serving in combat in Europe.

  28. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    The Germans and Italians being successful in Europe would have impacted massively on Australia. It would have meant their alliance with Japan would have been even more successful, and eventually the Axis would have rolled over the USA and Australia

    Top Ender, I’m happy to be corrected, but weren’t Australian troops in North Africa to secure the Suez Canal, as part of the “Main fleet to Singapore” strategy?

  29. JC

    Lol. What an idiot.

    PM’s $1.4b plan to open up Tas

    Scott Morrison is set to sign off on a $1.43 billion deal to transform Tasmania’s capital into an international gateway.

    Gateway to the, teeming with people, South Pole.

  30. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Number, the Liberals were just as bad then as they are now; a mess of differing opinions at that time on conscription. Now you are doing what you accuse others of doing – not recognizing the many factors that drive human action and some rather OTT responses, other than a fixed ideology.

    The very real fixed ideology was communism, and its lingering bed-fellow socialism. The democratic West is and was not perfect, now or then. But it is better than any alternative. If you would like to see a socialist Australia, or even an Australia ‘just a bit’ more socialist (i.e. welfarist) than it is now, then in the long run, given a few more cycles of electoral economic destruction, you wish to prescribe a far more controlled and controlling alternative. A wishy-washy ‘well, we’ll just be better socialists’ won’t answer; even Bob Hawke and Paul Keating in the 1980’s could see that.

    I hope we’ve changed your mind a little about that.

  31. Arky

    The Korean and Vietnam wars were ginned-up by the comunist bloc in order to further communist take over of the world, but in particular to ensnare the US in a series of conflicts they hoped would wear her down.
    See Mao’s “noose strategy”.
    It was an ongoing proxy war between the US and her allies and the commuist bloc.
    We should be grateful that the US has allowed literally billions of people to live out their lives in freedom.
    A sane man would be proud of his part, no matter how small, in this great struggle.

  32. C.L.

    “In my study of communist societies, I came to the conclusion that the purpose of communist propaganda was not to persuade or convince, not to inform, but to humiliate; and therefore, the less it corresponded to reality the better. When people are forced to remain silent when they are being told the most obvious lies, or even worse when they are forced to repeat the lies themselves, they lose once and for all their sense of probity. To assent to obvious lies is…in some small way to become evil oneself. One’s standing to resist anything is thus eroded, and even destroyed. A society of emasculated liars is easy to control. I think if you examine political correctness, it has the same effect and is intended to.”

    Theodore Dalrymple

    I rate this as the greatest description of modern leftism ever written.
    Abortion, gay ‘marriage,’ feminism, changing gender, ‘climate change’ as emergency – these are all lies the population has been bullied into accepting and repeating.

  33. Arky

    We should also be infinitely grateful to the atomic bomb for making it impossible for Stalin and Mao to use their conventional superiority to roll over the West.

  34. Tom

    Lol. What an idiot.

    PM’s $1.4b plan to open up Tas

    This is simply good retail politics, JC. SloMo and the feds are trying help Hodgeman, the state premier, keep the mendicant state out of the hands of the Liars and the Filth at the next state election.

  35. C.L.

    Scott Morrison is set to sign off on a $1.43 billion deal to transform Tasmania’s capital into an international gateway.

    LOL.

  36. Bruce of Newcastle

    To be honest, I do have some concerns with both sides of the warming argument and this is where I come out. I’m not a scientist but I have a little expertise with risk. We do have the potential to move away from coal based energy over the next decade as Gen 4 reactors come on stream.

    There is zero global warming risk JC.

    On a full risk assessment the biggest risk is moving away from coal. Coal adds CO2 to the atmosphere which we desperately need. As the world cools the extra CO2 will offset the reduction in agricultural productivity of a cooler climate.

    When you do a risk assessment you have to risk assess the risk of not acting as well as acting. Right now the risk is in not continuing coal until pCO2 is above about 1,000 ppmV, which is the level greenhouse operators tend to use.

    Once we’re at 1,000 ppmV then moving over to advanced nukes would be good.

  37. C.L.

    This is simply good retail politics, JC. SloMo and the feds are trying help Hodgeman, the state premier, keep the mendicant state out of the hands of the Liars and the Filth at the next state election.

    Yes, timing is everything.
    Related: odd that this has just popped, no?

    Tasmanian Premier writes to Police Commissioner over media allegations of historic sex abuse against Liberal MP.

    An article published in a national newspaper on Saturday detailed a woman’s allegations against an unnamed politician she says abused her when she was a teenager.

    Tasmanian premier Will Hodgman said the matter was “a serious one”.

    “Obviously given the nature of it, it needs to be dealt with appropriately,” he said.

    “I can advise that I have written to the Tasmanian Police Commissioner to draw to his attention the article and request that Tasmania Police take any appropriate action as is necessary.

  38. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Numbers, I can think of at least a dozen points in my life where things happened that I wish hadn’t happened, or that I thought I had no control over when I did, or when sheer bad luck landed me in trouble. Most people can do this. Sometimes one particular thing becomes defining, as when I married the wrong man or when you got called up. But there are ways to get over these things, and not to continue to let them dominate your view of yourself. Bitterness is a bad pill.

    Cassie is right. I don’t think being here is doing you any good. Better you cheer up elsewhere.

  39. Geriatric Mayfly

    Scott Morrison is set to sign off on a $1.43 billion deal to transform Tasmania’s capital into an international gateway.
    Gateway to the, teeming with people, South Pole.

    Also a handy stopover on the Great Circle Route to errrr…

  40. struth

    Communists conscript the whole country.

    Good Moaning.
    I am all for Numbers commenting here.
    Nothing like letting a communist speak to see the fool and the word twisting liar for what it is.

    Good Lord, what a croc of shit it’s been dribbling and from a small world view, so typical of the insulated left.
    He hasn’t had a lot of world experience out in Goondiwindi talking to children his own mental level, and fellow PS education communists.

    I blame all the world’s ills on leftism, and it’s exactly correct to do so , no matter what the problem.
    It wasn’t the view I had when I was younger, but as you get more life experience you realise, it’s always the left causing the shit, all the time.
    It’s always collectivism which divides, and envy and laziness.

    You could have a million useless Numbers in your army and they do no good in fighting communism compared to Trump.
    That’s why numbers hates him so much.
    So much hate.
    So much fixation.
    So much TDS.

    What we see from numbers a sick mind, and a mind full of hate and resentment, and this is a good thing to show .

    The really good thing to show is the arrogance that comes with all this.

    Lurkers and others can quite easily see that when it comes to brains, integrity, decency, not only is number’s cupboard hypocritically bare, his arrogance, and sense of superiority, while displaying it is gobsmacking, to anyone of average intellect and common sense.
    I think I use Napoleon’s , Never interrupt the enemy while they are making a mistake rule, but I go one further with Trolls, encourage them to keep making it, and to show everyone what true fuckwits they really are.
    I reckon, that’s why Monty leaves most of the time, I believe after a number of years here, he’s realised he is as thick as two short planks and easily led, but I reckon even he sees the evil in Numbers.

  41. Dr Fred Lenin

    Stackja, regarding the “gilets jaunes” in France,Le Monde has a deep incisive article on the reaction of “ les elites ,” and the Eurocrats , they are deeply alarmed ,the taxpaing milch cow they have been milking for years to support the luxurious cultured life they have been living is endangered . They are just like the Bourbons and the effette aristos before the Revolution ,they cannot believe the peasants woukd have the temerity to defy the status quo. We all know the result of the peoples revolt against established authority in the late 1700s. The present revolt may not be as bloody but the results for the elites will not be what they desire .
    Le Monde is just as left infested as most other Western newspapers,the “gilets jaunes”get no support from it , nor does Marine le Pen and Front National ,the journalistes are all Macronistes and Europhiles .

  42. Confused Old Misfit

    If the renewable spruikers truly believe that battery technology will catch up with our drive into the renewable economy, why do they not believe that nuclear technology will do the same.

    I cannot account for that sort of irrationality.

  43. zyconoclast

    Can anyone see a line worker in this pic as I can’t.

    Smoko

  44. Confused Old Misfit

    Gen 4’s eat up most of the waste and leave very little.

    But they do leave some. Its half life is measured in hundreds rather than thousands of years but that won’t calm the frothy mouthed watermelons.
    I think the problem will be solved soon.
    But I have no idea how.

  45. struth

    I rate this as the greatest description of modern leftism ever written.

    I agree 100 %
    It’s right on the target.
    Once you can be forced to accept a lie, they have the power.
    Numbers knows the only flimsy craft people were drowning from between Cuba and Florida weren’t coming from the USA.
    He knows his fantasy paradise of Cuba, people don’t have a choice but to drive old 1950’s cars and keep them going, but he will tell you they celebrate it.
    Just like so many millions forced to dress up and wave flags and chuck parades on the birthday of their supreme socialist ruler starving them.
    They are thankful he doesn’t mow the lawns so they have something to eat.

    He knows the truth is irrelevant.
    He carelessly shrugs away being on the same side as Hitler, a socialist.

    It’s about dominance.
    It’s sort of a little dick syndrome with these guys.

  46. Roger

    Abortion, gay ‘marriage,’ feminism, changing gender, ‘climate change’ as emergency – these are all lies the population has been bullied into accepting and repeating.

    Not to mention “Islam is a religion of peace.”

  47. Arky

    But I have no idea how.

    ..
    Polonium soy lattes.

  48. Confused Old Misfit

    Polonium soy lattes.

    Not a species survival strategy.

  49. JC

    Bruce

    The risk isn’t zero especially with the vile crap China burns pretending it’s coal. The issue here isn’t just gerbiling but good old fashioned air pollution.

    With scaling, Gen 4 reactors would be low cost energy production marvels.

    Misfit

    Nothing’s perfect except God. There will always be trade offs.

  50. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Bill Shorten backs away from Christmas Island

    Richard Ferguson
    Reporter
    @RichAFerguson
    12 minutes ago February 24, 2019
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    Bill Shorten has backed away from his support for sending sick refugees to Christmas Island, after originally saying it was “fine” if asylum seekers from Manus Island and Nauru were transferred to the controversial detention centre.

    Labor frontbenchers including deputy leader Tanya Plibersek appeared to contradict the Opposition Leader last week when he twice said it was “fine” for medical transfers to go to Christmas Island if there was adequate care.

    But Mr Shorten said in Melbourne today that were was not “much in the way of medical care” and the government would not be “fair dinkum” if they moved medical resources there.

    “The reality is that Christmas Island doesn’t have very much in the way of medical care,” he said in Melbourne today.

    “If the government want to just have some political debate and move a whole lot of resources and build hospitals there, I think that shows you they’re not fair dinkum.

    Trade Minister Simon Birmingham said today there would be adequate care on Christmas Island, where the government intends to move most refugees using the medivac bill to come to Australia.

    From the Oz. Whinging William does another backflip.

  51. Confused Old Misfit

    There will always be trade offs.

    You know that.
    I know that.
    How to convince the frothy mouthed watermelons?

  52. zyconoclast

    Wannabe, 22, who spent £33,000 to look like David Beckham now reveals she plans to spend another £18k – to look like Victoria Beckham

    -Jack Johnson, who now identifies as a woman, plans to get boob job and face lift
    -Surgery addict, from Kimberley, Nottinghamshire, plans to look like Posh’s twin
    -She previously spent thousands on nose jobs, chin implants, liposuction, botox, teeth veneers, fillers, facials and tan injections to look like David

  53. rickw

    PM’s $1.4b plan to open up Tas

    Scott Morrison is set to sign off on a $1.43 billion deal to transform Tasmania’s capital into an international gateway.

    Hobart doesn’t already have an Airport and Seaport?

  54. zyconoclast

    Wannabe, 22, who spent £33,000 to look like David Beckham now reveals she plans to spend another £18k – to look like Victoria Beckham

    -Jack Johnson, who now identifies as a woman, plans to get boob job and face lift
    -Surgery addict, from Kimberley, Nottinghamshire, plans to look like Posh’s twin
    -She previously spent thousands on nose jobs, chin implants, liposuction, botox, teeth veneers, fillers, facials and tan injections to look like David

    Jack told Nottinghamshire Live : ‘I love Victoria’s fashion so much I have even brought her high heels which I saved up out my benefit money.

    She said her family are supporting her decision to get a s3x change and revealed she’d been living a lie her entire life.

    ‘Now I can start to be the real me,’ she added.

  55. cohenite

    Thorium:

    Thorium reactors need a natural fissioning source to maintain the burn so plutonium is one such source.
    And as such, the highly radio active weapons grade plutonium can be burnt up in a thorium reactor and becomes little more than a low grade ash needing disposal so getting rid of a major global problem of very long future duration..

    The Europeans have also initiated an experimental burn of thorium in 2013 in the European experimental reactor center in Norway as have the Canadians in their CANDU reactors which are very good reactor designs capable of burning a wide range of radio active products.

    The Indians are also experimenting with using a linear accelerator as the burn initiator which constantly creates conditions in the thorium reactor that continues the thorium burning , all without any highly radioactive plutonium or highly enriched uranium as the ignition and thorium burn maintainer.

    Thorium of course can be handled without gloves or anything else in the way of protective cover it’s spontaneous fission rate is so low.

    Bruce can comment on the molten salt v solid fuel approach to Thorium and how they compare to IFR technology.

  56. 1735099

    Cassie is right. I don’t think being here is doing you any good. Better you cheer up elsewhere.

    Translation: It makes me extremely uncomfortable to have my assumptions and biases challenged. Please go away….

  57. Bruce of Newcastle

    The risk isn’t zero especially with the vile crap China burns pretending it’s coal. The issue here isn’t just gerbiling but good old fashioned air pollution.

    Mystical pseudo-religious rubbish JC.

    How much pollution is there around Bayswater? Liddell? Stuff all. They are well over 30 years old, so modern plants do even better.

    China is building plants more modern than ours. They just have to make sure the owners actually stick to the rules, since quietly turning off the scrubbers saves money.

    As I said, we need more CO2 injected into the atmosphere. Currently we have a bit over 400 ppmV. Baseline preindustrial was about 280 ppmV. So to get to 1000 ppmV we need to emit another 5 times what we have in all of history.

    Come back in a few hundred years with your proposal JC.

  58. calli

    Feel better, now Cassie?
    I remembered you in my prayers at Mass this morning.
    God bless…..

    It’s sinful to weaponise prayer in that way.

    The Almighty won’t be used in petty disagreements. Be careful.

  59. Top Ender

    Zulu, don’t know about the Aussies in north Africa. Gavin Long’s book would have it – I don’t have a copy.

  60. calli

    Ha! That rail came back in for another tour of the house. This time the pantry.

    The bird life up here is getting very bold.

  61. Cassie of Sydney

    “1735099
    #2942128, posted on February 24, 2019 at 2:16 pm
    Cassie is right. I don’t think being here is doing you any good. Better you cheer up elsewhere.

    Translation: It makes me extremely uncomfortable to have my assumptions and biases challenged. Please go away….”

    You are a buffoon. It’s time to check yourself into a home where they can treat your dementia.

  62. Elle

    Incoherent rambler, I just clicked on your link from this morning.

    http://catallaxyfiles.com/2019/02/23/open-forum-february-23-2019/comment-page-3/#comment-2941970

    Me thinks the singer may be more interested in the blokes. Love the tune though … and his “misogynistic” blue tie.

    Andrew Bolt and Tony Abbott wear the blue tie puurfectly! They always have. Mreow!

    Suck it up Julia Gillard!

  63. calli

    And that was just after a red bellied black snake slithered past my Dad’s feet at lunch.

    I blame all that talk about Steve Irwin.

    What next? A croc doing a Lake Placid at the back fence? 😄

  64. 1735099

    You are a buffoon. It’s time to check yourself into a home where they can treat your dementia.

    For people who object to “A desire to control the lives of others”, you’re obviously happy with making a few exceptions…

  65. struth

    Numbers, when have you challenged anyone’s assumptions?
    You moron.
    You confirm them.
    And again I state to you, that if you assume (your assumptions) all the male bluster here is bravado and you’re so sure of it, let me know where you are.
    I may wish to challenge that assumption.

  66. Geriatric Mayfly

    And that was just after a red bellied black snake slithered past my Dad’s feet at lunch.

    And the automatic response = ‘Didja kill it?’

  67. vlad

    Over the weekend the Nine newspapers have been banging the drum for a local fire fighter who flew over to Switzerland to have some doctors kill him.

    The bottom line from the comments etc is that Victoria’s euthanasia laws aren’t broad enough and need to be widened.

    Who didn’t see this coming?

  68. Bruce of Newcastle

    Ha! That rail came back in for another tour of the house. This time the pantry.

    😀
    My dad had to lock the cat flap because the magpies would sneak in, go to the kitchen and steal his ripening tomatoes from the bench.

  69. struth

    We had another troll here who thought we were all bluff, came from under the Broome Jetty.

  70. Elle

    Comma needed.
    Suck it up, Julia Gillard.

  71. duncanm

    1735099
    #2942078, posted on February 24, 2019 at 12:53 pm

    “A desire to control the lives of others”.
    It wasn’t the socialists/communists (strike out which doesn’t apply) who conscripted 20 year-olds in the sixties and seventies, Lizzie.

    Numbers — the laziest liar about.
    From wikipedia, the laziest source of information available.

    History

    Conscription in North Korea began before the Korean War. The draft helped to rapidly grow the size of the Korean People’s Army (KPA) before the war broke out in 1950.[3]

  72. bespoke

    Go tell your ex students that you support late term abortion 1735099.

  73. duncanm

    for Numbers..

    Late Soviet Union

    The late Soviet Armed Forces were manned by mandatory draft (with some exceptions) for all able-bodied males for 2 years (3 years for seagoing parts of the Navy and Border troops), based on the 1967 Law on Universal Military Service.[6] A bi-annual call-up in spring and autumn was introduced then, replacing the annual draft in fall. The conscripts were normally sent to serve far away from their place of residence.

  74. calli

    No, Mayfly. It was gone in a flash.

    They’re shy creatures. The dry here has meant a shortage of brown marsh frogs in lake and swamp. Any taddies are being gobbled up as fast as they hatch by the hungry birds.

    So all sorts of creatures are making their way up to the house in search of a snack. I will have to watch my faithfull little derg. I don’t want him eating cornered poultry, nor being dabbed by a cornered snake.

  75. Memoryvault

    Scott Morrison is set to sign off on a $1.43 billion deal to transform Tasmania’s capital into an international gateway.

    What a joke. The way government tendering and contracts work these days, they will be lucky to get a new set of landing lights installed for a mere $1.43 billion.

  76. MV:

    Fair enough, Struth. Conventional wisdom has it that we have a general election coming up in just 83 days (less than 12 weeks).

    Is that fair dinkum?
    Or just a guess?

  77. duncanm

    East Germany

    Introduction of conscription
    In April 1962 the GDR government introduced military conscription. The period of compulsory service was at least 18 months, and adult males between 18 and 26 were eligible. Service in the National People’s Army (in German abbreviated as NVA), the paramilitary forces of the People’s Police and the motorised rifles regiment of the Ministry for State Security fulfilled this service obligation.

  78. struth

    Scott Morrison is set to sign off on a $1.43 billion deal to transform Tasmania’s capital into an international gateway.

    That’s like putting a gateway to Las Vegas in Julia Creek.

    What does it even mean?
    These people are insane.

  79. Memoryvault

    As I said, we need more CO2 injected into the atmosphere.
    Currently we have a bit over 400 ppmV.

    Be nice if it were possible, Bruce. Unfortunately it’s not. Like everything else to with the planet, it’s cyclical, and way beyond our pathetic abilities to control.

    In fifteen years or so we will be back to 280 ppm, or even lower. Along with the cold and shortened growing seasons, it will devastate broadacre crops like wheat and corn.

    Welcome to the past and future.

  80. calli

    Where would the international visitors be coming from?

    Antarctica?

  81. Tom

    Hobart doesn’t already have an Airport and Seaport?

    Rickw, the feds just threw in $40m to extend HBA’s shitty little runway, which couldn’t even take a fully loaded 767-300/A330-200, from 2200m to 2700m to allow local growers to pitch for ad hoc air-freighters to run direct to international markets, i.e. China.

    Presumably, the new money SloMo is announcing will finance a full-time Customs presence at HBA to enable international flights. Until now, the only international flights (about 20 years ago from memory) were 2-3 seasonal 737s a week from HBA to Christchurch, NZ.

    There’ll be no demand for scheduled widebodies into HBA, but the tourism product is strong and international pax charters are a possibility.

  82. Mater

    Cuba

    Until 1991, Cuban men were required to perform three years of compulsory military service under the SMO (Obligatory Military Service) system. The three-year obligation had been in force since the first Law of Military Service was promulgated in November 1963. In August 1991, however, the Active Military Service (Servicio Militar Activo – SMA) requirement was reduced to two years, beginning at age sixteen, under the General Military Service Law (Ley de Servicio Militar General-SMG), formerly the SMO. Young Cubans usually are not called to service until age seventeen.

  83. Leigh Lowe

    And that was just after a red bellied black snake slithered past my Dad’s feet at lunch.

    And the automatic response = ‘Didja kill it?’

    The correct answer these days is …
    “Well, um, I dropped the [insert name of heavy object here] I was carrying and it struck the snake quite a heavy blow. Unfortunately, it could not be revived”.

  84. Cassie of Sydney

    “1735099
    #2942139, posted on February 24, 2019 at 2:38 pm
    You are a buffoon. It’s time to check yourself into a home where they can treat your dementia.

    For people who object to “A desire to control the lives of others”, you’re obviously happy with making a few exceptions…”

    Idiot….nobody is trying to control your pathetic life however we’re very happy to make suggestions that might make your life easier. That’s why a clinic is a good idea.

  85. calli

    Scott Morrison is set to sign off on a $1.43 billion deal to transform Tasmania’s capital into an international gateway.

    And that is why little friendship groups like mine don’t bust a pfoofle valve any more trying to raise a few thousands for “cancer research” or something-or-other for the community hospital any more.

    Why on earth would we? Money for sh*t grows on trees.

  86. mh

    On a full risk assessment the biggest risk is moving away from coal. Coal adds CO2 to the atmosphere which we desperately need. As the world cools the extra CO2 will offset the reduction in agricultural productivity of a cooler climate.

    When you do a risk assessment you have to risk assess the risk of not acting as well as acting. Right now the risk is in not continuing coal until pCO2 is above about 1,000 ppmV, which is the level greenhouse operators tend to use.

    Once we’re at 1,000 ppmV then moving over to advanced nukes would be good.

    Bruce, ruok?

  87. JC

    Mystical pseudo-religious rubbish JC.

    What are, Gen 4 reactors? No they aren’t.

    Bruce, Chinese “coal” is pig shit dressed up as coal. The large cities are literally choking with pollution.

    Since 2000, the world doubled its coal-fired power capacity to 2,000 gigawatts (GW) after explosive growth in China and India. Another 200GW is being built and 450GW is planned.

    By 2017, China had 50% of the world’s coal plants. India is behind, but not in terms of its aspirations. In other words, both these countries will be the biggest operators of coal plants by multiples.

    Risk reward it’s better to go nuclear… Gen 4.

  88. Top Ender

    Jack told Nottinghamshire Live : ‘I love Victoria’s fashion so much I have even brought her high heels which I saved up out my benefit money.

    Taxpayers of the UK! Be happy this woman has used your money to be happy!

  89. Memoryvault

    Is that fair dinkum?
    Or just a guess?

    I don’t make the rules, Winston. There has to be at least a half senate election on or before May 18 of this year. By my count that was 83 days away at the time of my post.

    Conventional wisdom has it that we will have a full general election at that time. However, it is within Morrison’s power to split them with the half senate election on May 18, and the HoR election held anytime thereafter, up until November 2. The last time split elections were held was in 1970.

    I don’t believe Morrison will commit himself one way or the other Until March 24 or thereabouts.

  90. Pete of Perth

    The Tassie cash is for:
    The long awaited chair lift up Mt. Wellington.
    Moving CSIRO, AAD & IMAS to the commercial dock yard.
    Increasing the gene pool by importing chicoms

  91. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Numbers, I said to cheer up elsewhere having only your own best interests in mind. I don’t enjoy taking part in anyone’s online humiliation, something which happens to you here a lot, and which is bad for your mental health. Continue here at your own risk or until banned for obsessional one-track bitter thread wrecking. You have never challenged any of my assumptions although others here may have done that. You may safely leave without worrying how I will fare minus your illuminating pearls of challenging wisdom.

  92. Top Ender

    Scott Morrison is set to sign off on a $1.43 billion deal to transform Tasmania’s capital into an international gateway.

    The proud Taswegians put “International airport” on their crummy terminal years ago when flights started to New Zealand.

    Somehow they forgot to install airbridges at the same time. Hobart is the only capital city without them in Australia – and given the climate it’s the one that needs them the most.

    About $560m of the money the PM is forking over is going to replace the Bridgewater bridge north of Hobart. Hardly needed – the Midlands Highway up to Launceston is not exactly teeming with traffic.

  93. struth

    and international pax charters are a possibility.

    Yes but flying pigs don’t need that much runway.

  94. JC

    Certain gen 4 reactors should be considered renewable.

    In some reactors, the ability to consume existing nuclear waste in the production of electricity, that is, a Closed nuclear fuel cycle. This strengthens the argument to deem nuclear power as renewable energy.

  95. Memoryvault

    Folks all this debate over various forms of power stations is futile and pointless. Whether nuclear, coal, woodchip, or scrunched up dunny paper, the end product is steam. To turn the steam into electrical energy requires a turbine.

    Last time I was involved in the industry (2009), the waiting time for any reasonable sized turbine (250MW +) was seven to ten years. If anything it is longer now.

  96. Tel

    Scott Morrison is set to sign off on a $1.43 billion deal to transform Tasmania’s capital into an international gateway.

    Gateway to the, teeming with people, South Pole.

    Lol. True story … once the snow melts back a bit, Antarctica is going to be one giant tourism magnet, super mega global playground plus! I’m selling equity certificates for the timeshares over there (not built yet but soon).

  97. 1735099

    South Korea, Switzerland, Israel and Brazil all have compulsory military service.
    Obviously, that makes them”socialist/communist” (strike out whichever does not apply).
    You know – all that stuff about “controlling other people”.

  98. Arky

    Oh sweet Jesus.
    YOU brought up conscription.
    No one else.

  99. cohenite

    And coal is renewable too: it releases stored solar energy.

  100. Muddy

    Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
    #2942095, posted on February 24, 2019 at 1:16 pm

    The Germans and Italians being successful in Europe would have impacted massively on Australia. It would have meant their alliance with Japan would have been even more successful, and eventually the Axis would have rolled over the USA and Australia

    Top Ender, I’m happy to be corrected, but weren’t Australian troops in North Africa to secure the Suez Canal, as part of the “Main fleet to Singapore” strategy?

    Italian possession of Egypt would have been a threat to not only the Suez Canal, but also to Malta, Greece/Crete, Turkey and Syria. Indeed, the fear was the loss of the Mediterranean, German control of the Balkans, and the blocking of an alternative passage to Russia. Yes, convoys to India/Burma/Ceylon/Malaya would have had to take the long way round.

  101. struth

    What does coal powered stations have to do with city pollution?

  102. Tailgunner

    smeared veterans (McCain)

    Didn’t McClane blow up his own flight deck once?
    Yippy-Ki-Yay, mofo
    And you keep hitting the god Emperor on his weight?
    Lol, have you seen his wife, dude?
    He’s 72.

  103. Confused Old Misfit

    What Donald J. Trump has done for his country over the past two years, against strong opposition, is comparable to anything McCain did over a far longer period.
    What Trump is doing may yet cost him his life as surely as any bullet ever would.

  104. Memoryvault

    Head prefect you need to read up on IFRs:

    Cohenite, regardless of how you boil the water, you STILL need a turbine to turn the generator to make the electricity. Unless you happen to have a couple of large turbines sitting in your backyard you may as well be whistling Dixie.

  105. cohenite

    What does coal powered stations have to do with city pollution?

    Coal burnt at low temps in old furnaces without stack filters is a hell of a thing. But the higher the temp you burn coal the less by-product you get. Ultra Supercritical or HELE plants can burn coal at up to 700C; theoretically coal can burn at 2000C; the higher the temp the more energy per volume you achieve and less real pollution – NOx, SO2 etc – and less CO2 not that that matters, the more CO2 the better because its plant food.

    In China there are still a lot of old plants and they still drive lead fuelled cars so new coal has nothing to do with their city pollution.

  106. cohenite

    Unless you happen to have a couple of large turbines sitting in your backyard you may as well be whistling Dixie.

    I knew they’d come in handy.

    But seriously there are a lot of turbine manufacturers in the world; it depends on the scale so sure a 700 MW turbine may take a while but you have to be positive.

  107. Leigh Lowe

    About $560m of the money the PM is forking over is going to replace the Bridgewater bridge north of Hobart. Hardly needed – the Midlands Highway up to Launceston is not exactly teeming with traffic.

    Need doesn’t come into it.
    Taswegians are owed whatever the bigger states have.
    If Melbourne has a ten-lane bridge, well they want one.
    If Brisbane has a 25 ship container terminal, yep, they’ll have one of those, too.
    The sense of entitlement is yuuuuuge.

  108. Taswegians are owed whatever the bigger states have.

    You mean, like, um, err.. more than 5 surnames in the state?

  109. Mater

    Cohenite, regardless of how you boil the water, you STILL need a turbine to turn the generator to make the electricity. Unless you happen to have a couple of large turbines sitting in your backyard you may as well be whistling Dixie.

    How easy are Wind Turbines to convert? 😉

  110. Memoryvault

    But seriously there are a lot of turbine manufacturers in the world

    There are?

    Last I heard there were only two companies capable of producing the kind/size turbines we are talking about. GE and Siemens. Both are located in Germany with newer facilities in China, built at the request (and largely the expense) of the Chinese. Both are primarily controlled and run by Germans employed for just that purpose, by the Chinese.

    I believe both companies still have the capacity to build them in Germany, but whether they actually do or not, I wouldn’t have a clue. However, regardless of where they are built, China, India, Germany, Indonesia and several other companies already have forward orders on production.

    Even if we ordered some now we would be joining the end of a very long queue.

  111. Confused Old Misfit

    Taswegians are owed whatever the bigger states have.

    What is this entitlement that demands the same level of amenities for Upper Woop Woop as for Point Piper?

  112. Elle

    Is it too early for music, here on the OT.

    I see Lizzie in this clip.

    My goodness; weren’t the dresses short!

    Twas my mum’s era. She wore a short dress well. I have the pictures! 🙂

    link

  113. 1735099

    Tailgunner.
    You’ve lost the plot.

    He’s 72.

    He’s actually dead.
    Remember – Fatty 5D* wasn’t invited to his funeral.

    Didn’t McClane (sic) blow up his own flight deck once.

    The flight deak fire was caused by the accidental firing of an Mk 72 Zuni rocket mounted on an F4 phantom on the flight deck of the USS Forresal as the result of an electrical power surge during preparations for a strike against North Vietnam. McCain was in the cockpit of his A4 Skyhawk at the time and was lucky to escape with his life. He was injured in the incident and had to be medivaced.
    123 sailors were killed and 20 aircraft destroyed.
    Because Trump supporters were unhappy about McCain’s criticism of him, a series of pro-Trump fake news websites took aim at him in August 2017 and began to circulate a regurgitated fabricated account that McCain was responsible for the disaster.
    The fact that McCain was piloting an A4, not an F4 at the time was ignored, as was the outcome of an exhaustive US Navy enquiry into the accident.
    Tailgunner and many others fell for the smear.
    Trump knew it was a smear, but unlike McCain in reference to Obama, lacked both the grace and the courage to publicly set the record straight.
    That’s a pretty fair summation of both Trump’s character and the gullibility of his supporters.

    *Trump has a weight problem and was deferred from service in Vietnam 5 times.

  114. Des Deskperson:

    ‘A proposal by the ACT Government, announced this week, would see a variety of plastic items banned across Canberra, in an attempt to eliminate plastic waste.’
    According to the ABC headline, ‘Ban on single-use plastics in Canberra welcome news to many businesses already going green’.

    I hope they mean to exclude health services/hospitals/ambos/Doctors surgeries, etc from that rule. Disposables have become de rigeur because the buying and sterilising of instruments, consumables and other stuff have meant the dismantling of Central Sterilising Departments in most hospitals. The cost of re installing the sterilising equipment and restaffing those departments alone in Canberra will make an awfully large hole in a Billion – yes, Billion – dollars.

  115. Memoryvault

    Is it too early for music, here on the OT.

    Hello Elle.

    Didn’t you get the memo? Music clips drive our resident Dr Mengele to despair and completely distract him from his important work of vivisecting small children.

  116. zyconoclast

    Head prefect you need to read up on IFRs:

    https://bravenewclimate.com/category/ifr-fad/

    The BNC blog died a couple of years ago.

  117. Memoryvault

    How easy are Wind Turbines to convert?

    Relatively simple.
    But what are you going to power them with, and to what end? Australia’s total “claimed” wind capacity might just be enough to keep the lights on in Melbourne.

  118. Mark A

    Would someone get rid of this troublesome pest?

    The sanctimony and insistence, smugness of being the one and only who is always Right, regardless of the subject matter, is unbearable.

    Scrolling is inadequate.

  119. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    My goodness; weren’t the dresses short!

    The Memsahib, who claims her skirts were just as short as anyone’s “back in the day” says the secret was to wear matching colored knickers, not to bend over to pick up anything less then a $20 bill, and practice getting into, and out of a car.

  120. Tel

    Last I heard there were only two companies capable of producing the kind/size turbines we are talking about. GE and Siemens.

    https://www.mhps.com/products/steamturbines/lineup/index.html

    Big enough for you?

  121. cohenite

    The BNC blog died a couple of years ago.

    Hope springs eternal and Brooks, whatever else, did 2 brilliant things: he sponsored IFRs and Thorium and Peter Lang’s and Martin Nicholson’s rebuttal of the idiots at BZE:

    https://bravenewclimate.com/2010/08/12/zca2020-critique/

  122. Leigh Lowe

    JC
    #2942207, posted on February 24, 2019 at 4:16 pm
    The micro mansion. It’s not bad looking. As for micro, it’s around 4,000 square feet.

    That’s 375 sq mtrs.
    That is yuuuge by any normal standard except Florida dick comparers.
    And the Spanish galleon floor timbers?
    Really?

  123. Tailgunner

    Gateway to the, teeming with people, South Pole.

    Quote of the day.
    Go ScoMo, you retard.
    Vote Tits19!
    The cuckservatives must burn.

  124. Tailgunner

    He’s 72.

    Numbers goes full BBguns in Maduro !!
    Ahahahaha

  125. calli

    I had the single of Sinatra’s “Boots”. Reprise A side.

    All the girls had those boots. And the short skirts (not quite as short as Nancy’s). No wonder pantyhose became popular.

    Boots and Linda Rondstat’s “Different Drum” did rapid rotation on the record player, soon superseded by S&G’s “Bridge” and other maudlin stuff. And these guys, natch.

  126. Memoryvault

    Big enough for you?

    Marvelous! Now how about you send off their inquiry form and get an approximate date for delivery of two, say 500 MW turbines?

    That should be enough for one state to at least break even.

  127. Gab

    On this day …

    Æthelberht of Kent: Anglo-Saxon prince, King of the Kentish, overlord of Southumbria, convert from paganism, father of King Eadbald and Saint Æthelburh, and promulgator of the first Germanic-language law code, who died on this day in A.D. 616. is a Catholic saint whose feast day is today.

  128. Tailgunner

    He was injured in the incident and had to be medivaced.

    Lol, are you sure about that?
    Two bombs got “shot off” his A4, by that rocket?
    But McClane walks away unharmed?
    Ahahahaha
    Yippy-Ki-Yay Moro
    My Intel is he panicked and flicked those two switches his own self.
    The fire then exploded them some time after… Killing many.
    Where was McClane? Helping his comrades?
    Um, no… Actually he was….

  129. Tel

    Based on how long Adani has taken to get approval to dig a simple hole in the ground (and still the Queensland government finds additional excuses to delay) … I’m very confident that turbine delivery would not even slightly be on the critical project path for a nuclear power plant.

    Filling in paperwork, on the other hand, might be a serious sticking point.

  130. bespoke

    I see why they banned woman from pubs in the old days. How can you have a good fight or solve problems when you constantly asked “does this look pretty” 🙂

  131. Memoryvault

    No wonder pantyhose became popular.

    The inventor of pantyhose should be hung, drawn and quartered.

    Just for starters.

  132. JC

    That’s 375 sq mtrs.
    That is yuuuge by any normal standard except Florida dick comparers.

    Leigh

    We once stayed at friend’s bosses place in Del Ray beach right on the water. It was 25,000 square feet! We on on the beach one evening and the lights to the house were on. A couple of sheilas starting talking to us while we were surf fishing (all above board). One pointed to house and asked if we were staying at “that hotel”! It was the fucking house. she mistook for a hotel! I’ve never been in any house so big. The movie room was literally as big as a small theater. I watched this there and thought it was a really good movie with Stallone.

    Anyone else seen Get Carter?

  133. Shy Ted

    Making a sign for the millions of new tourists about to enrich Tassie. It reads simply “This way to Bob Brown’ house”.

  134. Snoopy

    Shark Week tweet prompts outrageous outrage.

    “Whoever posted this should be sacked. It’s very unprofessional and just plain stupid,” a third user wrote.

    It remains unclear whether the blood pictured in the original post was menstrual blood, but Share The Dignity founder Rochelle Courtenay told the ABC that was not the point.

    “There’s so much taboo around women getting their periods, this sort of crap doesn’t do anything to help,” Ms Courtenay said.

    It’s not even confirmed that the guest was a woman.

  135. Tel

    Lol, are you sure about that?
    Two bombs got “shot off” his A4, by that rocket?
    But McClane walks away unharmed?

    The official story is that the A4 had external fuel tanks and the zuni hit point blank into one of those tanks.

    Zuni can have multiple warhead but in Vietnam the F-4 would have been packing basic air-to-air shrapnel warhead so we would presume that it quickly turned the fuel tank into a cheese grater and the burning fuel drops straight down onto the metal deck. The photo taken very early in the fire seems to support that.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:USS_Forrestal_A-4_Skyhawk_burning.png

  136. cohenite

    The BoM’s latest shenanigans summed up:

    Darwin AP mean temp ACORN 1 ACORN 2 RAW
    1910-1919 26.9 26.71 28
    2008-2017 27.91 27.91 27.91
    Change/trend 1.01 1.20 -0.09

    All they did was cool the past.

    Ain’t that grand.

  137. Tailgunner

    What we see from numbers a sick mind, and a mind full of hate and resentment, and this is a good thing to show .

    Go, Struth!
    Great post. You’re always on fire first thing in the morning 🙂

  138. Tailgunner

    And Trickler -i loved your free-diving vids.
    Thanks for the links.
    More please.

  139. calli

    375 sq metres is 40 squares (old school).

    Not really that big by today’s standard.

    But four bathrooms to three bedrooms? Sounds like a House of Ill Repute. With extra Ill.

  140. Cassie of Sydney

    We fellow travellers who align ourselves with the centre, the centre right, the right and libertarianism, come here to Catallaxy to debate, dispute, converse and schmooze with like minded people. Whilst we don’t expect to always agree with each and we can and frequently do engage in robust, colourful and frequently very heated discussions and debates, I’d say that 95% of us here on this site converge and agree on the important stuff….free speech, loathing of socialism, marxism, leftism, third wave feminism, political correctness, identity politics, social justice virtue signalling and all the other toxic ideologies and beliefs currently undermining and destroying the very fabric of western civilisation. I regard Catallaxy as a place where we have the freedom (for the time being) to indulge, vent and let loose about the current political, social and cultural zeitgeist happening around us. Unlike Andrew Bolt and Tim Blair’s blog, this site has not become infested and corrupted with adolescent GetUp leftist trolls. Whilst I am willing to indulge one or two because they are laughable there is one here who is a very creepy, demented, senile and very hypocritical old troll. His hold on reality is diminishing by the day, his mind keeps harking back to the 1960s and to Vietnam…a sure sign of dementia, he thinks life in Cuba is just hunky dory for the Cubans……he probably thinks, like Uncle Bernie, that food lines are a good thing. Like all good parasitic leftists, he contributes nothing….he needs to go away and he needs to stay away.

  141. old bloke

    stackja
    #2941869, posted on February 24, 2019 at 8:10 am

    Apollo 11 moon landing: Why The Dish movie was a lie
    Gerard Cockburn, The Sunday Mail (Qld)
    February 24, 2019 1:00am
    Subscriber only

    A QUEENSLAND space dish was the first station that transmitted the iconic moon landing images that were watched by billions around the world.

    While our southern relatives at Parkes, NSW, and Honeysuckle Creek, ACT, claim to have received the first signal from Apollo 11, it was Cooby Creek Tracking Station that turned the signal into the iconic television images that were aired on July 20, 1969 (US time).

    That’s nonsense Stackja. The first images of Armstrong climbing down the ladder and walking on the moon were relayed from Honeysuckle Creek, Parkes followed eight minutes later when they came into alignment.

    Houston had ordered Armstrong to stay in the moon landing capsule for some hours till the NASA Apollo Mission station in Goldstone, California came into alignment, but Armstrong was too impatient so he left the module early when the NASA Apollo Mission station at Honeysuckle Creek was in alignment. NASA built three tracking stations dedicated to the Apollo missions, they were at Goldstone in California, Maspalomas in Spain, and Honeysuckle Creek in the ACT, these were the only sites which could both receive and transmit messages to the Apollo missions.

    The images of the first moon walk were relayed from Honeysuckle Creek to Goldstone, and from there they were relayed to the internation TV audience.

    Honeysuckle Creek Tracking Station

  142. 1735099

    My Intel is he panicked and flicked those two switches his own self.

    “Your intel” is a product of fake news.
    Here is the complete text of the now declassified board of inquiry.
    Given that you lack the capacity to spell his name, it’s unlikely you’ll have the skills to read it, but hey – I tried.

  143. MatrixTransform

    Numbnuts/bwett/M0nty … like Smollett … the only suspects in their own hate crime.

    Why bother posting here?

  144. 1735099

    My Intel is he panicked and flicked those two switches his own self.

    “Your intel” is a product of fake news. Tuthdig is precisely that.
    Here is the complete text of the now declassified board of inquiry.
    Given that you lack the capacity to spell his name, it’s unlikely you’ll have the skills to read it, but hey – I tried.

  145. Tailgunner

    When New York Times reporter Apple finished gathering his notes on the fire, McCain boarded a helicopter with him and flew to Saigon. Given that fires still burned on the ship and some of his fellow airmen were gravely wounded and dying, McCain’s assertion that he left the carrier for “some welcome R&R” in Saigon has a surreal air

    Yep, a reel Heero.
    Medal to that man!

  146. Tailgunner

    Cassie of Sydney
    #2942236, posted on February 24, 2019 at 4:57 pm
    We fellow travellers who align ourselves with the centre, the centre right, the right and libertarianism,

    What about the far right? Where’s our parade?
    Soon enough.
    🙂

  147. areff

    Calli: Morrison was a total arse, as the smutty boy lyrics below attest, but I’ve always wished he’d given Duke of Earl the same treatment as Gloria. Would have been awesome

  148. calli

    Whatever the circumstances of the fire’s origins, McCain did not stay on deck to help fight the blaze as the men around him did. With the firefighting crew virtually wiped out, men untrained in fighting fires had to pick up the fire hoses, rescue the wounded or frantically throw bombs and even planes over the ship’s side to prevent further tragedy. McCain left them behind and went down to the hangar-bay level, where he briefly helped crew members heave some bombs overboard. After that, he went to the pilot’s ready room and watched the fire on a television monitor hooked to a camera trained on the deck.

    I have often wondered why McCain never went for Obama’s jugular in 2008.

    I think I might now know why. Lots of buried treasure for opponents here.

  149. Cassie of Sydney

    “Tailgunner
    #2942244, posted on February 24, 2019 at 5:06 pm
    Cassie of Sydney
    #2942236, posted on February 24, 2019 at 4:57 pm
    We fellow travellers who align ourselves with the centre, the centre right, the right and libertarianism,

    What about the far right? Where’s our parade?
    Soon enough.”

    I’ll take that as a deliberate threat.

  150. old bloke

    On the Apollo 11 mission theme, I attended the reunion for the 40th Anniversary in Canberra a few years ago and got talking to the guy who was the commander of the NASA “Air Force” at that time. They had a fleet of specially equipped Boeing 707s which would fly over the oceans and land masses to maintain limited contact the the missions in space when they were out of the range of the land based tracking stations.

    He told me that they were authorised by both the Russian and Chinese governments at that time to enter their airspace without questions when they were tracking missions, and this was during the height of the cold war period. He told me that the only place they encountered difficulties was Perth Airport, the air traffic controllers always gave them a hard time if they were returning from a flight over the Indian Ocean in the early hours of the morning.

  151. 1735099

    Tailgunner
    You seem semi-literate, but have a go at reading the USS Navy Board of Inquiry report.
    Meanwhile the website you linked has an interesting piece on Socialism in the USA.

  152. bespoke

    Questions about McClane’s service have been around long before Trump and seized by the left so 1735099 is just deflecting once again. Fox news booted a long time contributor and retired admiral who also was a Vietnam vet and for calling McCane “song bird”.

  153. classical_hero

    JC, don’t forget about the CFC hype. This one they actually succeeded with and hoped to be the template for other international agreements. We should have a good look at the scare and hopefully undo the damage done.

  154. classical_hero

    Maduro is a vile piece of shit. He burnt foreign aid to his people and used militia to gun down the people.

  155. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    You see Lizzie in that clip? Moi as a big fat bruising blonde who has amazing nights with hot young guys. Well, the last part is OK, if you go back a bit (quite a way, actually) but Elle, let’s have that coffee so that you can see I am not one of those fair, fat and forty types. Just because I said I was on a diet.

    You’ve got me heading for the Tim Tams already! 🙂

  156. calli

    areff, Gloria was originally penned by the other Morrison, Van the Man.

    Which is very curious indeed.

  157. Tom

    …[numbers] probably thinks, like Uncle Bernie, that food lines are a good thing. Like all good parasitic leftists, he contributes nothing….he needs to go away and he needs to stay away.

    Cassie, the bloke who runs the Cat is a libertarian ideologue who loathes conservatives and has never forgiven the realists here for forecasting the demise of his political hero, Trumble. He is not our enemy. The Australian fascist pig state — the one the Liars and the Filth are in love with and are busting to bring down on our heads — is our enemy.

    Hi Doomlord — hope you’re pleasantly pissed tonight in Vegas (after the expensive floorshow you undoubtedly treated Mrs Doomlord to this evening).

  158. Tailgunner

    Good link, Matrix.
    Thanks.
    Honestly, are we sick of Winning yet?
    Fake MAGA hats cause self destructing Leftists.
    😀 😀 😀
    Your a star, Jussie!
    Second only to Shia…
    😀

  159. Cassie of Sydney

    It seems that not only do we have socialist trolls here…we also have national socialist trolls too.

  160. Tel

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Model_A_%281927%E2%80%9331%29

    Wikipedia lists the Ford Model A as a “Tudor Sedan”. Hopefully, Arky names his car “Henry”.

  161. DrBeauGan

    Jack told Nottinghamshire Live : ‘I love Victoria’s fashion so much I have even brought her high heels which I saved up out my benefit money.

    She said her family are supporting her decision to get a s3x change and revealed she’d been living a lie her entire life.

    ‘Now I can start to be the real me,’ she added.

    There is a terrible pathos about insanity of this sort.

  162. 1735099

    From Tailgunner’s link –

    To the conservative mind, the specter of socialism conjures up a society in which no one is held accountable, and no one has to work for what they receive. Yet that’s exactly the society Trump and the Republicans are promoting for the rich.

    Refers to what I was saying upthread about labels.

  163. No wonder pantyhose became popular.

    They caused much confusion.

    “I love the way you curl you toes when we have s3x”

    “Yuo might try removing the pantyhose first”

  164. Cassie of Sydney

    Tom, I know Doomlord was infatuated with Lord Wentworth but I forgive him because he provides us with this platform.

  165. Tailgunner

    We’re all Nazi’s now, Cassie.
    Relax.

  166. John Constantine

    https://themindunleashed.com/2019/02/hackers-sex-robots-killing-machines.html

    Fornibots hooked up to the internet can end up being bad news for the prole that has handed control of the robot over to a remote operator and viewers.

    Talk about putting your nuts in a vice.

    Comrades.

  167. 1735099

    Questions about McClane’s (sic) service have been around long before Trump and seized by the left so 1735099 is just deflecting once again. Fox news booted a long time contributor and retired admiral who also was a Vietnam vet and (sic) for calling McCane (sic) “song bird”.

    FCOL, the bloke’s name is McCain.

    Gives you an idea of the quality of what passes for comment here.
    My ICD* is working overtime….

    *Inbuilt Crap Detector

  168. Roger

    Maduro is a vile piece of shit. He burnt foreign aid to his people and used militia to gun down the people.

    Yet again Socialism reveals that it views people merely as a means to an end.

    How on earth does Roger Waters sleep at night?

  169. Tailgunner

    …we also have national socialist trolls

    Or (((Zionist))) trolls?
    The humour is lost on ya’ll. I get that.
    I’m a proud “far right” Nationalist.
    I call it the CSP.
    Common Sense (far right Nationalist) Party.
    I’ve got immigration &defence on lock. And borders.
    The CSP is for a doubling of the immigration intake. Ian Rintoul has already written me a great letter…
    The Cat takes Defence.
    Climate Disruption – we’re going full nuclear&hydro power.
    Coal for WW3 scenario.
    Sacking whole swathes of the Swamp. Education, health, suggestions?
    It’s a deplorable work in progress.
    But we have to run something.

  170. Tailgunner

    *Inbuilt Crap Detector

    MKUltra, confirmed!

  171. Elle

    Lizzie, I didn’t see anyone fat in that clip. Maybe one gal with a lil extra padding. Love the 1960s dancing right at the end 🙂

  172. Tailgunner

    Climate change is real…climate change is real (and the world must slow down and stop with adding CO2).

    Stop praying, Hark.
    It’s unseemly, dude…

  173. Muddy

    Far right?
    Pffft. Nancybois.
    We here on the so-far-right-you-can’t-even-see-us-in-your-peripheral-vision (SFRYCESUIYPV) are the real deal.

  174. areff

    Calli: yeah, its j. Morrison’s additional lyrics that define him.

    Never really listened to the lyrics of Van’s ‘Brown-eyed Girl’ until I put on the Black Sorrows’ version. It’s sad, really sad.

    Same with Baby, Now That’ve Found You, which I never realised was about crippling, lovestruck delusion until I heard Alison Krauss do it. Amazing how you can hear songs for years and never get what they’re about.

  175. Tailgunner

    Goodbye as I ascend into the Heavens with my message –

    “the girls were stupid to not accept my lame, aspy advances on them. I am the supreme Gentleman(in a late model Beemer, love Daddy)… “

  176. Tailgunner

    We here on the so-far-right-you-can’t-even-see-us-in-your-peripheral-vision (SFRYCESUIYPV) are the real deal.

    Swastikas are so 1995
    What we’ve got now is,like, 8 swastikas in one. It’s awesome. Check out my tatt!
    😀

  177. Stimpson J. Cat

    Settle down people it’s a Sunday.
    I can’t work over all the name calling.
    Ladies, go to the gym.
    Men, go and build something nice for the Ladies.
    Namaste.
    Be excellent to each other.

  178. cohenite

    Oh good a contest: slimeball numbers v condescending shithead harken farken.

  179. John Constantine

    https://theheartysoul.com/engineer-invents-shelters-for-the-homeless-that-retain-heat-during-winter/?utm_source=VIRALSLOT&fbclid=IwAR3Guw7wnGwFp0fb8RrSwgZl3c4CjGnOkXNcnWPiRf42KrZ1wyARAV0whK0

    Australias pensioners can be issued with these warm confinement pods as compensation for the confiscation of their superannuation income streams.

    It is this or adult onesies when the windmill schemes collapse like the recycling schemes.

    Comrades.

  180. bespoke

    1735099
    #2942270, posted on February 24, 2019 at 5:34 pm
    Questions about McClane’s (sic) service have been around long before Trump and seized by the left so 1735099 is just deflecting once again. Fox news booted a long time contributor and retired admiral who also was a Vietnam vet and (sic) for calling McCane (sic) “song bird”.
    FCOL, the bloke’s name is McCain.
    Gives you an idea of the quality of what passes for comment here.
    My ICD* is working overtime….
    *Inbuilt Crap Detector

    He!

  181. Tailgunner

    Hark, seriously, that was a great Flounce.
    Elle, get in here with pad&pen.
    We love you,man.
    Ooops, angel.
    Don’t forget to tell your boss what the rebels are discussing.
    And that we’re, as a collective, more than happy to engage in preliminary discussions of battle plans.

  182. Kev

    Numbers, your Inbuilt Crap Detector is malfunctioning. You, or it, picked on a typo and based on that you try to come over as superior. You’re not. I know Bespoke personally and he is way ahead of you.

  183. Muddy

    Nah, I don’t joke about the swa… stuff.

    All you need to know is that we are so hardcore, we have invisibility cloaks.
    Nothing beats invisibility.

  184. Tailgunner

    What does “FCOL” mean?

  185. Tailgunner

    Be excellent to each other.

    Bill&Ted!
    Dude!
    Love!

  186. areff

    Yeah, Elle, Krauss is a favourite. This is good too — and the little Asian bloke might have a future on the cello.

  187. Tailgunner

    Climate change is real…climate change is real

    He.
    Will.
    Not.
    Divide.
    US!!

  188. Memoryvault

    we are so hardcore, we have invisibility cloaks.

    My Invisibility Cloak is bulletproof.
    It also wards off evil spirits and zombies.
    Plus it resists stains and mildew.

  189. Mater

    Gives you an idea of the quality of what passes for comment here.
    My ICD* is working overtime….

    *Inbuilt Crap Detector

    Do you reckon you could switch that ICD over to it’s ‘Bidirectional’ mode?
    You know, to filter both incoming and outgoing comments.

  190. Elle

    Tailgunner, Hark is ascending in preparation for the Mardi Gras. He is afloat, all alone in the rising sea of climactic change.

  191. Top Ender

    Roger Waters is a sulky bad-tempered leftie with narcissistic delusions of grandeur.

    That is all.

  192. C.L.

    McCain was an accident-prone goofball.
    Trump’s comment that he preferred pilots who weren’t dumb enough to be shot down made him a hard marker, to be sure. But McCain’s central role in encouraging the Pee-Pee Dossier proved beyond doubt that Trump (if not McCain) was directly over the target. McCain was trading in a Russian intelligence hoax; that made him rather than Trump a traitor.

  193. bespoke

    I know Bespoke personally and he is way ahead of you.

    If I was you I wouldn’t admit that in public, Kev 🙂

  194. old bloke

    Harken Now
    #2942273, posted on February 24, 2019 at 5:43 pm

    Goodbye as I ascend into the Heavens with my message –

    May this be so.

  195. Leigh Lowe

    My ICD* is working overtime….
    *Inbuilt Crap Detector

    Well, it is operating in close proximity to tonnes of the stuff.
    Have you filtered that out?

  196. Cassie of Sydney

    “Goodbye as I ascend into the Heavens with my message –”

    Yes, please do…and stay up there.

  197. areff

    I’m about to be afloat too. Ambling down to the beach for a health-giving dip.

  198. Tailgunner

    Inbuilt Crap Detector

    Stop with the swearing.
    It’s not that kind of blog.

  199. DrBeauGan

    We fellow travellers who align ourselves with the centre, the centre right, the right and libertarianism, come here to Catallaxy to debate, dispute, converse and schmooze with like minded people. Whilst we don’t expect to always agree with each and we can and frequently do engage in robust, colourful and frequently very heated discussions and debates, I’d say that 95% of us here on this site converge and agree on the important stuff….free speech, loathing of socialism, marxism, leftism, third wave feminism, political correctness, identity politics, social justice virtue signalling and all the other toxic ideologies and beliefs currently undermining and destroying the very fabric of western civilisation.

    The thing that most Çats have in common, in my opinion, is not an ideology. It’s that most of us are sane, most of the time. That’s why we agree on the important stuff. We are mainly united in our opposition to looniness.

    There’s a lot of it about.

  200. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    ‘Empire’ star Jussie Smollett tells police he has an untreated drug problem

    which drug?……. he’s had mdma a few times……bwahahahahahahaha

  201. 1735099

    I know Bespoke personally and he is way ahead of you.

    I don’t know him, Kev, but I can read, and he can’t spell.
    The term Inbuilt Crap Detector, is not mine.
    It comes from Postman and Weingartner’s excellent Teaching as a Subversive Activity.
    It’s a great read. You should get hold of it.
    By the way.
    Your blog is broken (or perhaps I’m banned), and the battalion website refuses to post an update I sent about a sick member. If it’s a bug, it should be fixed. If not – very poor form. Membership of the 7RAR fraternity is not conditional on political affiliation, just as our service wasn’t.

  202. Leigh Lowe

    I have an inbuilt carp detector too, but it is inclined to pick up interference from trout.

  203. Tailgunner

    . He is afloat, all alone in the rising sea of climactic change.

    I know! Why does an angel care about a 2.5 degree temperature rise? Isn’t it immortal and all that?
    GTFO Chicken Little.

  204. We are mainly united in our opposition to looniness.

    Except for sensible looniness.

  205. Elle

    Enjoy. Say hello to your pretty shores.

  206. Tailgunner

    I’ve had two joints and I’ve figured out that Monster is jc’s sock puppet!
    #LegaliseNow
    #ChronicNeckPain

  207. Tailgunner

    JC’s “Beemer accident ” was a total Jussie put-up?!
    Has anyone ever seen them at the same bistro table?
    Anonymous golf shots notwithstanding…

  208. Empire 5:5

    Today in pry my freedom device from my cold dead hands:

    Counties all over New Mexico are voting to become sanctuary counties for the Second Amendment in the same way leftist counties all over America have voted to become sanctuary cities for illegal aliens.

    https://www.dcclothesline.com/2019/02/22/new-mexico-multiple-counties-vote-to-become-second-amendment-sanctuary-counties/

  209. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Homenational affairsstate politics

    Paediatrician Katie Allen wins preselection for Kelly O’Dwyer’s seat of Higgins

    Richard Ferguson
    Reporter
    @RichAFerguson
    2 minutes ago February 24, 2019

    Paediatrician Katie Allen has won preselection for the blue-ribbon Victorian seat of Higgins, ensuring the Liberal Party has a woman in a key safe seat at the next election as it faces continuing criticism for the lack of female MPs in its federal ranks.

    Both Scott Morrison and outgoing incumbent Kelly O’Dwyer made it clear they wanted a woman preselected in the blue-ribbon seat when the latter announced her retirement from politics last year.

    Dr Allen beat out former state party vice-president Greg Hannan in the final round. The two had earlier beaten ex-Liberal staffer and Victorian Liberal establishment favourite Zoe McKenzie

    Breaking, from the Oz.

  210. Herodotus

    I’m with C.L.
    Steve Irwin’s exploits were amazing, and his legend should live on.

  211. calli

    Both Scott Morrison and outgoing incumbent Kelly O’Dwyer made it clear they wanted a woman preselected in the blue-ribbon seat when the latter announced her retirement from politics last year.

    Only a pathetic hoovering female drone would accept a position on those terms. A self-respecting woman would be humiliated.

  212. 1735099

    I know Bespoke personally and he is way ahead of you.

    I can read and he can’t spell.
    The term Inbuilt Crap Detector is not mine.
    It comes from Postman and Weingartner’s excellent monograph – Teaching as a Subversive Activity.
    From the chapter on Crap Detecting
    In our society as in others, we find that there are influential men at the head of important institutions who cannot afford to be found wrong, who find change inconvenient, perhaps intolerable, and who have financial or political interests they must conserve at any cost. Such men are, therefore, threatened in many respects by the theory of the democratic process and the concept of an ever-renewing society. Moreover, we find that there are obscure men who do not head important institutions who are similarly threatened because they have identified themselves with certain ideas and institutions which they wish to keep free from either criticism or change.
    Sounds like they were writing about Catallaxy.

    By the way – either there’s a bug on the battalion website, or you won’t let me post.
    A few weeks ago I posted a comment which didn’t appear. That’s OK – your blog.
    But at the same time, I posted an update on a sick member and it didn’t appear either.
    If it’s a bug, perhaps as webmaster you can fix it. If my update wasn’t posted because of my political affiliations, that’s poor form.
    Our political affiliations weren’t an issue when we served. They shouldn’t be now.
    Others from my section and I spent some time with that member during the week, and he could use all the support available from the 7 RAR fraternity.

  213. Black Ball

    Hark is ascending in preparation for the Mardi Gras. He is afloat, all alone in the rising sea of climactic change.

    Very much like this comment Elle. Fine work 🙂

  214. Muddy

    Given that the Liberal Party is allegedly the epicentre of misogyny and patriarchal oppression, isn’t it risky to subject more women to that type of evil? Surely they are setting themselves up for legal action by intentionally exposing delicate young females to the degree of male violence and emotional torture that has been proven to be the motivation behind all PONC (Persons of No Colour) male, fauxcon politicians?

  215. DrBeauGan

    Except for sensible looniness.

    We call that experimenting.

  216. Tailgunner

    Riley Reid is a total babe.
    9/10
    wb

  217. Black Ball

    Zulu Two Kilo Alpha Higgins isn’t safe. Bennelong and Wentworth electorates confirm this. I know you don’t agree with the article that you linked, Liberals would do well to shun identity politics, but we know that won’t happen.

  218. DrBeauGan

    She looks beautiful, Arky. You’re amazing. And obviously having a huge amount of fun.

  219. Elle

    Exceptional work, Arky!
    Have you named her?

  220. Tel

    It’s been taken over by conservatives/culture warriors for whom the one uniting factor is disbelief in climate change, and more recently, nativism on immigration .

    Bet you can’t link to one article on this blog demanding “nativism on immigration” (which is a self contradictory phrase to begin with).

  221. Tailgunner

    Go Arky!
    Same colour as the SuperWagon.
    Looks unreal!
    Cat [email protected]!
    Jupes, stop snoozing on Island time and get in here.
    Your monaro is toast, mate.

  222. DrBeauGan

    Liberals would do well to shun identity politics, but we know that won’t happen.

    They are a gutless shower, BB. Tbey buy into every damnfool fad going, so nobody can accuse them of being conservative.

  223. Tailgunner

    You gotta laugh, Zippy!
    This stuff is just Manna.
    #doyoutakechecks?
    😀
    Charles Barkley just killed Jussie on that clip from the MatrixOptimus.
    Too much, no more Winning please.

  224. 1735099

    I know Bespoke personally and he is way ahead of you.

    He may be an excellent character in other ways Kev, but I can read, and he can’t spell.

    I’m glad you lobbed up.
    I’ve been trying to post a message on the battalion website for weeks about a sick member, but it refuses to appear. I’m assuming it’s a bug, unless I’ve suddenly become persona non gratia for some reason.
    I flew south last week to visit him (with a couple of old section mates from Sydney) and he could use some fellowship and support.

  225. Tailgunner

    The car, blackball?
    What’s a good, free, way to link your own images?
    Bruce, put down that aggressive falcon juvenile and get in here.

  226. JB of Sydney/Shanghai

    Struth, you make a correct observation, that most people miss, on pollution in Chinese cities.

    A major part of the problem is pollution from vehicles.

    China produces about one third of the World’s vehicles.

  227. DrBeauGan

    Tel
    #2942335, posted on February 24, 2019 at 6:32 pm
    It’s been taken over by conservatives/culture warriors for whom the one uniting factor is disbelief in climate change, and more recently, nativism on immigration .

    Bet you can’t link to one article on this blog demanding “nativism on immigration” (which is a self contradictory phrase to begin with).

    Shhh, Tel. Don’t district s/h/it from ascending. We don’t want the dull bugger back again.

  228. Muddy

    I just broke my Arkyginity.
    I feel a little dirty, but also slightly older.

  229. classical_hero

    Climate Change is most definitely man made, what with the homogenisation of the data to make it fit what they want it to say. All the adjustments we see are basically the rise in temperature we’re seeing.

  230. bespoke

    Arky don’t take any tips from Ƶĩppʯ vid. No one wonts to see that unless its blended armadillo.

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