Breaking: Pell guilty!

The biggest open secret in Australian history can now be discussed.

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405 Responses to Breaking: Pell guilty!

  1. Ubique

    The ABC is gleefully interviewing people who want to Cardinal Pell excommunicated and burnt at the stake.

  2. stackja

    mh
    #2943912, posted on February 26, 2019 at 12:01 pm
    Is he going to Hell?

    The last couple years not enough?

  3. Ubique

    .. to see Cardinal Pell excommunicated …

  4. feelthebern

    Pell has let down all his constituents.
    This is an example of where turning the other cheek gets you.
    If he had carried a big stick & sued regularly, beginning 20 years ago with Richard Carlton & 60 mins, he would never have been in this situation.

  5. stackja

    Link #2943913, posted on February 26, 2019 at 12:01 pm not working. Apologies!

  6. stackja

    feelthebern
    #2943917, posted on February 26, 2019 at 12:03 pm

    Following Christ’s example.

  7. stackja

    The Case Against Cardinal George Pell: New Details Emerge
    12/22/2018 at 10:12 AM Posted by Mary Anne Hackett
    Cardinal Pell was found guilty Dec. 11 on five charges of sexual abuse of minors, following accusations that he sexually assaulted two former members of the Melbourne cathedral choir.

    By Ed Condon/Catholic News Agency

    During Cardinal Pell’s trial, the judge reportedly excluded both the prosecution and the defense from disclosing to the jury or discussing in court anything which could bear upon the credibility of the accuser.

    When asked how the jury could have delivered a unanimous conviction despite the seeming weight of evidence in his favor, several trial attendees noted that Pell refused to give evidence in his own defense.

    “Pell didn’t take the stand, and that definitely made a negative impression; it doesn’t look good if you won’t deny it with your own lips,” one source told CNA.

    Others close to the cardinal defended the decision not to have Cardinal Pell take the stand.
    “If you hire Robert Richter [Cardinal Pell’s lead lawyer], you bloody well take his advice,” one source close to Cardinal Pell noted. Some sources believe that the cardinal’s attorneys were concerned that the cardinal would try to give expansive answers from the witness box, rather than confine himself to narrow responses on points of fact.

  8. stackja

    The Case Against Cardinal George Pell: New Details Emerge
    12/22/2018 at 10:12 AM Posted by Mary Anne Hackett
    Cardinal Pell was found guilty Dec. 11 on five charges of sexual abuse of minors, following accusations that he sexually assaulted two former members of the Melbourne cathedral choir.

    By Ed Condon/Catholic News Agency

    In June 2017, a priest who says he was with the archbishop every time Cardinal Pell celebrated Mass at Melbourne’s cathedral was questioned by police about a timeframe that seems to match the one identified by prosecutors.

    The priest told police that there was no occasion when Cardinal Pell would have been alone with choir members. “At no time before, during or after Mass was the archbishop in direct contact with anyone except that I was present,’’ the priest said, according to The Australian newspaper. “I was always standing next to him and usually at an arm’s length away.’’

    Cardinal Pell was known to habitually celebrate the 10:30am Sunday Mass, at which the choir regularly sang, while he served as archbishop of Melbourne.

    However, Melbourne’s cathedral was undergoing restoration work at the time of his installation in August 1996, which prevented Cardinal Pell from being installed in the cathedral building itself or from regularly celebrating Mass there for several weeks.

    In fact, during the pre-trial committal hearing in March 2018, records were produced showing that during the period between August and December 1996, Pell only celebrated the cathedral’s 10:30 Sunday Mass twice.

    According to a source present for the pre-trial hearing, on both of the occasions on which Cardinal Pell celebrated the cathedral’s 10:30 Mass during the designated period, the choir held practices for the taping of a Christmas performance immediately following the 10:30 Mass, when the absence of two choristers would have been immediately noticed.

    Cathedral and choir leaders and former members testified at the pre-trial hearing that choir leaders kept a close eye on the children and would have noticed if any slipped away. Former choir director Peter Finigan testified at the committal hearing that while it would have been possible for two choir members to break from their group, he did not remember that it had ever happened.

  9. A Lurker

    When the ABC/SBS and so many others of the Marxist political Left jumped on the ‘get Pell’ bandwagon you really have to spare a moment or two and wonder if he was truly guilty.

    I also heard a story (I’m not sure if true) that Pell was set to uncover all kinds of dodgy goings-on and financial mismanagement within the Vatican so he was effectively offered up as as a sacrificial calf to divert attention away from these other matters.

  10. Roger

    The biggest open secret in Australian history can now be discussed.

    You mean the moral corruption of VicPol and the media?

  11. Real Deal

    I don’t like Cardinal Pell at all. But this is a travesty. I hope he lives long enough to win an appeal (if Pell appeals, I would be my house on him winning). We now live in a society where rumour, innuendo and a personal animus against an individual trump reality and truth. To hell with those who pursued this innocent man to jail. They will be hoping that he dies before an appeal is decided. I fervently hope and pray that he lives to see his vindication.

  12. feelthebern

    A better option would have been not to touch those kids.

    My comment is from the stand point he didn’t & the conviction will be overturned on appeal.

  13. Bruce of Newcastle

    Hopefully we can now spell “Pell” again as he goes before the appellate court.

  14. feelthebern

    But this is a travesty.

    No it isn’t.
    A travesty is when someone with no resources is railroaded by the cops into a conviction.
    Pell had unlimited resources.
    Now he’ll appeal.
    He’ll get off.

  15. Dr Fred Lenin

    Was there any mention of his acts of omission when he was implicated in the shifting of suspect paedos to other parishes ? The personal accusations sound like a lefty anti clerical fit up ,because he overlooked paedo behaviour in other priests does not make him a paedo. I feel that he was implicated in covering up incidents of paedo behaviour how ever and deserves some punishment for that ,had he reported the incidents to police , which is a citizens duty , many incidents would not have occurred . Any damage incurred by informing the police could not have been as damaging to the image of the church as the subsequent exposure of the coverups have been . He has undoubtably suffered considerably during these trials ,that and a large fine would be just in my opinion . A large donation to get up might help bis case never met a communist who wwasnt bribeable ,with them on side he would be forgotten in no time .

  16. Seco

    A disgrace. Paying for the sins of the past.

    I’m not saying he’s Jesus but the similarities of how the two were tried and convicted are striking.

  17. feelthebern

    Are you on mushrooms Dr Fred?

  18. Infidel Tiger

    No it isn’t.
    A travesty is when someone with no resources is railroaded by the cops into a conviction.
    Pell had unlimited resources.
    Now he’ll appeal.
    He’ll get off.

    Damage is done now. Any successful appeal is irrelevant.

  19. Snoopy

    A better option would have been not to touch those kids.

    A successful appeal is now a certainty.

  20. feelthebern

    I’m not saying he’s Jesus but the similarities of how the two were tried and convicted are striking.

    Clearly you stayed in bed every Good Friday.
    Comparing the Passion of the Christ with Pell not defending himself with more gusto leaves me flabbergasted.

  21. Robbo

    Did he get a fair trial? Only the hopelessly biased would answer yes.

  22. feelthebern

    Are the transcripts of the trial now public?

  23. dopey

    The ABC seems convinced and well pleased. No doubts at all.

  24. John Constantine

    Cardinal Pell was granted leave by the Pope to fight historical sex charges and returned to Australia on July 10 last year.

    Just two weeks later, the Vatican Auditor-General, specialist accountant Libero Milone, resigned under mysterious circumstances with three years still left on his contract.

    Mr Milone broke his silence three months later by saying he was forced to step down on “fabricated” charges of “spying” after uncovering evidence of potentially illegal financial activities.

    These events, sources say, are related and those blocking the reforms contributed to Cardinal Pell’s departure as he and the auditors had edged closer to understanding a sophisticated and layered network of financial mechanisms that protect and ­obfuscate the identity and origin of donors to the church and their beneficiaries.

  25. Leigh Lowe

    I feel that he was implicated in covering up incidents of paedo behaviour how ever and deserves some punishment for that 

    A total myth Fred.
    He was a junior priest on the committee which dealt with the movement of priests in the Ballarat diocese, notably Gerald Ridsdale.
    Those strings were pulled by Bishop O’Connell initially (probably too trusting and naive but not malicious) and later by Bishop Mulkearns.
    But Mulkearns was a fag-friendly, post Vatican II “liberal” so pretty much got a pass from the MSM.
    Ask yourself. Why go after someone who was a relatively junior priest at the time, as against the Bishop who was privy to complaints and had the final say on diosecan postings?
    As has been pointed out before, lefty-luvvy and ex-priest Paul Bongiorno was probably better placed to know of Ridsdale’s offending (sharing digs with him for several years in the 1970’s).
    Bongiorno’s take?
    “Fiddlers are very good at covering their tracks. They don’t come back in the evening and talk about how many altar boys they’ve buggered today.”

  26. Cassie of Sydney

    “Real Deal
    #2943944, posted on February 26, 2019 at 12:23 pm
    I don’t like Cardinal Pell at all. But this is a travesty. I hope he lives long enough to win an appeal (if Pell appeals, I would be my house on him winning). We now live in a society where rumour, innuendo and a personal animus against an individual trump reality and truth. To hell with those who pursued this innocent man to jail. They will be hoping that he dies before an appeal is decided. I fervently hope and pray that he lives to see his vindication.”

    You’ve said it best. I would also add “political animus” as well. Pell has always been a vigorous conservative.

  27. Seco

    Clearly you stayed in bed every Good Friday.
    Comparing the Passion of the Christ with Pell not defending himself with more gusto leaves me flabbergasted.

    I don’t want to get into an argument but you don’t think Jesus couldn’t have defended himself with more gusto? Maybe both these two know where their path ahead lays. I don’t know the answer but Pell’s carried a bloody heavy cross for a long time.

  28. Leigh Lowe

    More moderation.
    Try again.

    I feel that he was implicated in covering up incidents of pa3do behaviour how ever and deserves some punishment for that 

    A total myth Fred.
    He was a junior priest on the committee which dealt with the movement of priests in the Ballarat diocese, notably Gerald Rids dale.
    Those strings were pulled by Bishop O’Connell initially (probably too trusting and naive but not malicious) and later by Bishop Mulk earns.
    But Mulk earns was a [email protected], post Vatican II “liberal” so pretty much got a pass from the MSM.
    Ask yourself. Why go after someone who was a relatively junior priest at the time, as against the Bishop who was privy to complaints and had the final say on diosecan postings?
    As has been pointed out before, lefty-luvvy and ex-priest Paul Bungiorno was probably better placed to know of Rids dale’s offending (sharing digs with him for several years in the 1970’s).
    Bungiorno’s take?
    “Fiddlers are very good at covering their tracks. They don’t come back in the evening and talk about how many altar boys they’ve [email protected] today.”

  29. Leigh Lowe

    More moderation.
    Try again.

    I feel that he was implicated in covering up incidents of pa3do behaviour how ever and deserves some punishment for that 

    A total myth Fred.
    He was a junior priest on the committee which dealt with the movement of priests in the Ballarat diocese, notably Gerald Rids dale.
    Those strings were pulled by Bishop O’Connell initially (probably too trusting and naive but not malicious) and later by Bishop Mulk earns.
    But Mulk earns was a [email protected], post Vatican II “liberal” so pretty much got a pass from the MSM.
    Ask yourself. Why go after someone who was a relatively junior priest at the time, as against the Bishop who was privy to complaints and had the final say on diosecan postings?
    As has been pointed out before, lefty-luvvy and ex-priest Paul Bungiorno was probably better placed to know of Rids dale’s offending (sharing digs with him for several years in the 1970’s).
    Bungiorno’s take?
    “F!ddlers are very good at covering their tracks. They don’t come back in the evening and talk about how many altar boys they’ve [email protected] today.”

  30. Non stop on radio and TV and no time to digest it.

    Heard no mention of the previous trial where the jury could not reach a verdict. Did hear a brief mention of what the case against him was. Apparently caught two boys drinking the wine and then over a 6 minute period abused them in the church. My understanding was he was the Bishop visiting a parish.

    I look forward to reading details of the full evidence given as just seems improbable to me. Accuser is mentioned so was there only one witness against him ? I recall something about witnesses at the church whose statements, supporting improbability, were not recorderd by police.

    I am not Catholic or even religious but as I said keen to see the evidence. Also interested to know what background information on the character of the witness was not included.

    Agree not a good look to not give evidence himself.

    Good luck to anybody trying to support him as we are in full witch hunt mode where the evidence is no longer the issue.

  31. Beachcomber

    This is shameful persecution of a prominent conservative and Catholic by the fascist left establishment. Australia is now officially a Stalinist sh*tehole.

  32. thefrollickingmole

    Pells case achieved exactly what it was supposed to.

    The crippling of the bloke who was fumigating gay/pedos from the Australian church and at the same time ensuring the royal commission into (some) institutional child abuse could proceed to its already preordained conclusion.

  33. I don’t want to get into an argument but you don’t think Jesus couldn’t have defended himself with more gusto? Maybe both these two know where their path ahead lays. I don’t know the answer but Pell’s carried a bloody heavy cross for a long time.

    Now look, if he walks free after three days in gaol, then you might have something.

    Otherwise, you look like a massive galoot.

  34. Seco

    His greatest sin according to the Catholic bashers was not giving communion to the rainbow sash brigade.

  35. Seco

    m0nty
    #2943989, posted on February 26, 2019 at 12:47 pm

    From the King of Galoots I’ll take that as a compliment.

  36. calli

    Good to see I’m not alone in wanting to follow the money. That’s where the real crime is. Lots and lots of lovely money.

  37. Fleeced

    This is one of those issues you don’t wanna go near with a ten-foot pole, but… it sounds as though it went through on little evidence.

    I have no idea if he’s guilty. If he is, he deserves to burn… but the whole process seems odd to me – like it doesn’t quite add up. Of course, we’re only getting a scattershot of what went on in the trial, so I dunno. But this doesn’t feel like the usual slam-dunk I se these cases.

    But again – this is one of those things where it’s impossible to question the outcome without being seen to endorse pedo behaviour. Which, of course, is why most sane people won’t.

  38. Percy Popinjay

    From the preamble to the Oz’s report on this case:

    George Pell is the world’s most senior Catholic convicted of child sex offences after a Victorian jury in December found him guilty of abusing two choirboys

    Seems to me that the jury was appallingly instructed by the judge in this matter. Either that, or they were a pack of ignorant impressionable imbeciles.

    How anyone could be found guilty of such charges “beyond any reasonable doubt” is beyond me. Hearsay and unsubstantiated evidence (i.e. decades old accusations) should not cut it in a so called court of law hearing a criminal matter.

    This case is a disgraceful travesty.

  39. Lysander

    Percy; I believe the judge say he was “amazed” at the jury’s outcome (from a contact).

    Notably the judge granted bail until this judgement; that says a lot!

  40. Percy Popinjay

    Fleeced – take my comment above as a reply to yours. Suffice to say, I am no fan of peddoes.

  41. Percy Popinjay

    Thanks, Lysander – having had the misfortune to have served on a jury I was amazed when I first heard about their verdict.

  42. Herodotus

    it sounds as though it went through on little evidence.

    Unless overthrown on appeal, it may have further weaponised any accusation made vexatiously by people with a grudge.
    When there’s no other witness and (a) it’s one person’s word against another’s and (b) there’s an air of improbability about the circumstances, how is a guilty verdict arrived at?

  43. I agree with Real Deal and Stackja. An absolute shonk of a verdict and it must be appealed. Witnesses, DNA evidence etc?? Nah, we just know it’s true… Win the appeal and sue the Labor Lawyers Cartel that infest the Vic ‘justice’ system. A shocker.

  44. Beach comber, that is a given, but I also note the comment above from Lysander about the judge being ‘shocked’. Travesty, show trial, idiocy, insanity – and I despise the RC church.

  45. max

    Philip Wilson’s conviction was overturned on appeal. No publicity given to that reversal.

    The Church opposes so many progressive ideas. It has to be disarmed and sidelined, and that is exactly what is happening.

  46. stackja

    Chamberlain trial conviction was later overturned. Many lurid stories were around at the time.

  47. Roger

    This is Victoria’s Dreyfus Affair.

    Where is the Zola who will name it as the travesty it is?

  48. Lysander

    Fatty Ashton will still have to answer for referring to “Pell’s vicitms” when making the announcement of charges being laid. Never used the word “alleged.”

    Loyd Rainey made squillions out of the same mistake cops in WA made.

  49. dopey

    ABC still going strong. Climate and refugees must be having a break today.

  50. C.L.

    But again – this is one of those things where it’s impossible to question the outcome without being seen to endorse pedo behaviour. Which, of course, is why most sane people won’t.

    On the contrary, all sane people will.
    The accuser’s co-Smolletteer – whose background and past behaviour were conveniently banned from being examined – admitted they made the whole thing up before he died. The DPP rejected the brief twice and the first attempted trial was a failure. Twelve Melbourne bogans convicted Péll of being a famous Catholic named George Péll. I believe the judge in this second trial commented that he was ‘surprised’ by the verdict. Which is to say, he thought the jury members were numbskulls. This was virtually an encouragement from the bench for the conviction to be appealed.

  51. a happy little debunker

    Found guilty despite no contemporaneous witnesses nor evidence, but a plethora who claimed it couldn’t have happened (as described), based on a single person’s recalled memory from 25 odd years ago.

    Christine Blasey Ford clearly made her claims in the wrong jurisdiction – she should have made her complaint to an Australia Kangaroo Court.

  52. stackja

    The unfair, anti-Catholic conviction of Cardinal George Pell
    By George Weigel December 31, 2018
    No one with a sense of justice can fail to be outraged when, in “To Kill a Mockingbird,” a jury in Maycomb, Ala., bows to social pressure and convicts an innocent man of a crime he couldn’t have committed.

    Something similar took place last month in real-world Melbourne, Australia, where Cardinal George Pell was falsely and perversely convicted on charges of “historic sexual abuse” dating to the 1990s.
    The facts of the case have been hard to come by, owing to a media gag order issued by the trial judge. A journalistic feeding frenzy has long surrounded Pell, the former Catholic archbishop of Melbourne and Sydney and later the Vatican’s chief ­financial officer.
    The trial judge was rightly concerned that opening the proceedings would make it impossible for Pell to get a fair trial on charges he forcefully denies. That order has left Australians largely in the dark. But certain facts are known, and others can be reasonably inferred.

    The cardinal’s first trial ended in a hung jury, with 10 of 12 jurors in favor of acquittal.

    In the retrial, the defense again demonstrated that it was physically impossible for the alleged abuse of two choirboys (one now deceased) to have occurred, given the layout and security ­arrangements of Melbourne’s Catholic cathedral and the fact that the choir and Pell were in two different places when the abuse was alleged to have occurred.

    Pell, moreover, was always surrounded by others at the cathedral that day in 1996. Why the Melbourne police never took the trouble to investigate these exculpatory facts is one of several mysteries in this sordid ­affair.

    The retrial jury took days to reach a verdict, during which the jurors asked the trial judge for ­instructions on how evidence should be considered. That an overwhelming vote for acquittal at the first trial was then flipped to a unanimous verdict for conviction invites the inference that the jury chose to ignore evidence that the alleged crimes couldn’t have happened.

    Legal authorities can debate some of the curiosities of the criminal justice system in Melbourne. Why, for example, can’t a defendant request a bench trial by a judge alone, when a prejudicial public atmosphere makes the ­selection of an impartial jury virtually impossible?

    How can a crime alleged to have been committed 22 years ago be prosecuted without any corroborating evidence that it occurred?

    How can charges be brought when the public authorities could have easily determined that the ­alleged abuse couldn’t have happened, because the victims and the alleged perpetrator were never in close proximity, much less by themselves without witnesses?

    Any judgment on the Pell verdict must also take full account of the atmosphere in which the cardinal’s case was heard. Anti-Catholicism has been a staple of Australia’s culture for decades. Local media long misrepresented Pell, a Church ­reformer, as a power-hungry ecclesiastical politician, and that caricature made him a convenient scapegoat for the grave crimes of other priests and bishops.

    Yet as archbishop of Melbourne, Pell set up Australia’s first process for investigating and compensating claims of clerical sexual abuse. And as archbishop of Sydney, he applied strict protocols to himself, stepping aside until previous spurious abuse charges against him were thoroughly investigated — and dismissed — by a former Australian supreme court justice.

    For partisans of various sorts, however, none of George Pell’s ­effective work in cleansing the Church of the horror of sexual abuse counted.

    Aggressive secularists couldn’t forgive him for his robust Catholicism. Most Catholic progressives couldn’t abide his orthodoxy. Some of Pell’s enemies had the ­integrity to dismiss the charges against him as ludicrous, and a few said afterward that his conviction was a travesty. But the foul ­atmosphere in Melbourne was reminiscent of rural Alabama in the 1930s.

    One other facet of this miscarriage of justice deserves investigation by enterprising reporters. Pell was brought to Rome by Pope Francis to clean up Vatican ­finance, a Herculean task in which he was making progress. Then, just as he was getting down to the ­really serious corruption, which involves hundreds of millions of euros and the shadow worlds of global ­finance, these abuse charges were laid, and Pell had to return to Australia to defend himself.

    Was that timing sheer accident? Rome-based supporters of Pell’s ­reforming efforts with whom I’ve spoken think not. Just as in Harper Lee’s Maycomb, something is rotten in this business. And it isn’t the character of Cardinal George Pell.

    George Weigel, John Paul II’s ­biographer, holds the William ­Simon Chair in Catholic Studies at the Ethics and Public Policy Center.

  53. dover_beach

    Twelve Melbourne bogans

    N.B. An earlier set of twelve Melbourne bogans voted 10-2 to acquit re the same case.

  54. Anne

    Children are NOT food. 👿

  55. Ivan Denisovich

    But the foul ­atmosphere in Melbourne was reminiscent of rural Alabama in the 1930s.

    Indeed.

  56. Kindergarten stuff when compare to what has been going on in Vatican City.

  57. Cassie of Sydney

    Even if George Pell appeals…and I hope he does…his life is destroyed.

  58. C.L.

    This must be a sad, frustrating day for Bill Shorten’s accuser.

  59. Sinclair Davidson

    CL – now that we know the burden of evidence in these cases there are questions to be asked.

  60. Re George Weigel’s piece, he is of course exactly correct about the Romophobia which has dominated the fluffer and BoBo class over the last decades. I wonder what caused the switch from jolly Irish and Italian Catholicism being the heart and soul of the Australian working class, to it being cast as the ‘rough beast’? I recall back in the ’70s the fall of Murphy was defined by one earnest Lefty as being the final revenge of the Protestant establishment against an uppity Irish Catholic – a sentiment which would be totally unacceptable in today’s polite society. The Fraser government was reviled for being full of Presbyterians (my mob) and not inclusive of Catholic social justice ‘idealists’. Warm and fuzzy indeed. Even rugby league was portrayed as being the true product of the RC working class community opposed to the ProdEstab which played rugby. As a rugby league playing (and rugby) from rugby league-crazed Newcastle, this last was particularly hard to choke down given that Newcastle and the coalfields were and continue to be strongholds of Non Conformism.
    Hard to keep up with ‘intellectual fashions’.

  61. Sinc, questions? An RC into the Persecution of Pell! Utter travesty of justice.

  62. teamv

    Funny how the Royal Commission, which had far greater powers to compel the provision of information, was unable to find any evidence of Pell being guilty, but VicPol can push it and suddenly he’s found guilty.

  63. feelthebern

    The Victoria legal system, judiciary & these super injunctions are all a tad concerning.
    VicPol aint much better.
    I’m almost scared to go to Melb lest monty get wind of it & make a claim against me.
    I’m too pretty to go to jail.

  64. The BigBlueCat

    Let’s see how the appeal pans out … given the first trial resulted in a hung jury, but the second trial came out with guilty (allegedly surprising the beak) on the evidence of the accuser only, Pell might have very good grounds for a successful appeal. He has Richter in his corner …. but if the corroborative evidence points to him being guilty, and convincingly so beyond reasonable doubt by a jury, then who are we cast aspersions on the legal system upon which we must also rely? But then again, his case would have been tainted because of the publicity beforehand, and by association with known and proven pedos in the Catholic Church.

    If he is successful with an appeal, I wonder what his chances of going after certain elements of the MSM (for defamation) are.

  65. feelthebern

    If he is successful with an appeal, I wonder what his chances of going after certain elements of the MSM (for defamation) are.

    None.

  66. vr

    Adrian Vermeule
    ‏ @Vermeullarmine

    Really? I don’t believe an Archbishop was vested and unattended after Sunday solemn Mass and had his way with two choirboys in the sacristy. In my experience as both a Catholic and an Anglican, that’s impossible. It’s the sort of lurid tale people invent.
    4:51 pm – 25 Feb 2019

  67. I wonder what caused the switch from jolly Irish and Italian Catholicism being the heart and soul of the Australian working class, to it being cast as the ‘rough beast’?

    Probably all the rock spiders.

  68. feelthebern

    The last time I heard this much grave dancing was post the two towers being brought down.

  69. Infidel Tiger

    Unbelievable:

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D0TCNIIVAAApToF.jpg:large

    We are now a nation that is gleeful after show trials.

  70. Ivan Denisovich

    Probably all the rock spiders.

    Hendo:

    However, what evidence we have suggests that, in the period from 1950 to 2010 covered by the Royal Commission, a child in a Catholic religious institution was probably safer than a child in a non-Catholic religious institution. It is not clear if the same can be said with respect to a child in a secular or government institution when assessed on a per-capita basis. But this could be the case. No one would get to know this from following the media’s coverage of the Royal Commission.

    Needless to say, the ABC misunderstood Fitzgerald’s speech and misinterpreted the Royal Commission’s findings. For example, on May 31, 2018, AM presenter Sabra Lane declared that “more than 60 per cent of sex abuse survivors who gave evidence to the Royal Commission reported the abuse happened in Catholic run institutions”. This statement is totally false. But the ABC did not immediately correct Ms Lane’s comment—despite the matter having been brought to its attention and despite having previously corrected a similar error made by Patricia Karvelas (RN Drive), Hamish Macdonald (RN Breakfast) and some others. Yet AM is perhaps the ABC’s leading news and current affairs program. Even today Ms Lane’s error has not been acknowledged on the program notes which accompany the online recording of the program.

    The ABC’s focus on historic child sexual abuse in the Catholic Church stands in contrast to its failure to cover the public broadcaster’s own history in this area. The ABC has not reported the fact that former ABC TV producer Jon Stephens pleaded guilty in 2017 to sexually assaulting a twelve-year-old boy while on official ABC duties in 1981—except for a fleeting reference in one midday news bulletin to the fact that Stephens’s minimum prison term was reduced on appeal due to his ill-health. Fairfax Media has ignored the story completely.

    The ABC has also not covered the fact that in 1975—just six years before Stephens’s offending—the ABC Radio program Lateline invited three pederasts into its Sydney studio to take part in a program called “Pederasty”. The ABC did not report this matter to the New South Wales Police—then or since. Nor has it adopted a duty of care to the victims of pederasty who were involved in the program—despite the fact that, if alive, they would be about the same age of some of the men who gave evidence to the Royal Commission. The most substantial coverage of the “Pederasty” program can be found in contemporary issues of the Sydney Morning Herald and its sister publication the National Times as well as in K.S. Inglis’s 1983 book This is the ABC.

    The 1975 “Pederasty” program was defended by the ABC’s chairman Richard Downing in a letter published in the Sydney Morning Herald on July 19, 1975. On the same day, the SMH reported Professor Downing as saying that “in general, men will sleep with young boys”—the implication being that the community in general should accept this fact of life. Richard Downing was fifty-nine years of age in July 1975 and one of the most influential Australians. Philip Wilson was a twenty-five-year-old junior priest in the Hunter Valley.

    In recent times, both former ABC chairman James Spigelman and his successor Justin Milne have advised me that the current ABC does not accept any responsibility for what the ABC did—or what Professor Downing said on behalf of the ABC—in 1975. ABC journalists would not accept such a cop-out from an Anglican or Catholic bishop with respect to the statements made by a predecessor forty years ago. James Spigelman is also a former Chief Justice of New South Wales.

    Richard Neville had been employed by the ABC to present Lateline—including the “Pederasty” program—despite the fact that he was a self-confessed pedophile. In his 1970 book Play Power, Neville boasted of having had sex with a fourteen-year-old schoolgirl in London. This book sold well in Australia in the early 1970s and Neville’s child abuse was discussed in the public debate at the time.

    When Neville died in 2016, the ABC did not report his past child sex abuse. Nor did Fairfax Media. The ABC has also turned a blind eye to the revelations of Rozanna and Kate Lilley—the daughters of left-wing writers Dorothy Hewett and Merv Lilley—that their mother encouraged them to have under-age sex with writer Bob Ellis and artist Martin Sharp and others—all of whom were at least twice the age of their schoolgirl victims. This was covered by some low-profile ABC programs—but avoided on such outlets as AM, PM, RN Breakfast, ABC TV News Breakfast, 7.30, Late Night Live and so on—all of which have given much attention to the historic crimes of Catholic and Anglican clerics in this area.

    Interviewed by Helen Trinca for the Weekend Australian on June 16, 2018, Richard Walsh spoke about Neville and Sharp—both of whom he associated with in the 1970s and after. Walsh said that interest in young girls was not “part of Neville’s make up at all”—but added that Neville did not “ask to see anyone’s birth certificate”. Walsh added that while he and his colleagues were aware of Sharp’s “taste” in young females, they “didn’t think it through hard enough to wonder if any of these people were under-age”.

    Rozanna Lilley told her story to the Royal Commission in a private hearing. In its wisdom, the Royal Commission decided not to conduct public hearings into institutional responses by the Australian media to child sexual abuse. This despite the fact that there have been at least two convictions for historic child sexual abuse in Australia involving the media and despite the scandal of BBC star Jimmy Savile’s offending in Britain and its cover-up by his employer.

    As Professor Greg Craven wrote in the Weekend Australian on August 19, 2017, a problem with the Royal Commission’s focus on the Catholic Church was that it “all but crowded out the scrutiny of other institutions, with predictable results”. He continued: “The rule is that if an inquiry gives the impression it is about one subject, the public will take it at its word.” If Peter FitzSimons was confused about this point, it is likely that many others would have come to the same conclusion.

    https://quadrant.org.au/magazine/2018/11/anti-catholic-media-coverage-child-sexual-abuse/

  71. Up The Workers!

    Some are saying that Cardinal Pell’s failure to testify in his own Defence, is a mark of guilt, but it is also pointed out (and validly so) that when you hire a legal beagle of the likes and cost of Robert Richter S.C., you do whatever it is he orders you to do.

    I have always felt that this is exactly what Anglican Archbishop and former Australian Governor-General, Peter Hollingworth was doing when he was vilified unmercifully by the same Leftard anti-Christians for not “doing more” when allegations of child molestation were levelled at members of the clergy in his church.

    He too, as C.E.O., would have accepted the advice of whoever the Anglican Church’s legal adviser was, and in that regard, is in absolutely no different a position than the former Federal President of the A.L.P. at the time was, when accusations of child molestation and rape were first aired against a certain aspiring A.L.P. Prime Minister.

  72. Lysander

    Oh fuck off Monty; you truly are a vile duplicitous creature.

    Shorten has an allegation against him which is the word of a single person against his word. It’s the same in the Pell case. In WA we’re trying to convict the ALLEGED serial killer; I tell ya, it’s hard to do! Even with DNA and statements of witnesses and computer hard drives… very difficult; let alone one person’s word versus another dead person who was a confessed liar.

  73. Infidel Tiger

    I would think Monty , who runs an online lair for children would be more careful.

    So be it if he is ever accused of running a grooming site.

  74. CL beat me to it.

    Will VICPOL be re-opening the case against Bill Shorten now that the Victorian legal system is convicting people on the basis of the evidence of one person from decades ago without any corroboration. The situation is actual worse in Bill’s case because there were witnesses backing up story that hard for Pell to have committed such a thing in a church environment.

    Why bother reporting abuse soon after the event when you can make your report decades later without corroboration. VICPOL going to be very busy now they have set the evidence bar so low. Am I correct in saying DPP left it up to VICPOL to decide if wanted to prosecute ? I somehow doubt they investigate their own officers for assault in the same manner.

    Does anybody know if transcript of trial proceedings will be available to read.

    Interesting to see which radio guys think about the actual lack of evidence rather than all the victims. Chris Smith 2GB said we need to be thinking about all the victims not Pell. There is only one living victim / witness in this case but it appears media counting Pell responsable for all the victims.

    How any juror could convict beyond reasonable doubt is hard to believe. Oh wait, previous trial was 10-2 and 2nd swimming pool trial dropped.

  75. Cassie of Sydney

    “Lysander
    #2944132, posted on February 26, 2019 at 2:26 pm
    Oh fuck off Monty; you truly are a vile duplicitous creature.”

    Still too kind.

  76. Interesting to see which radio guys think about the actual lack of evidence rather than all the victims. Chris Smith 2GB said we need to be thinking about all the victims not Pell. There is only one living victim / witness in this case but it appears media counting Pell responsable for all the victims.

    Not only the victims but the families and loved ones of the victims too. Crimes like that have far-reaching consequences.

  77. Infidel Tiger

    Not only the victims but the families and loved ones of the victims too. Crimes like that have far-reaching consequences.

    Yes, fitting up an innocent man is gravely sinful and will have far reaching consequences.

    Even more so for those reveling in it who know it to be a false conviction.

  78. stackja

    Leftists don’t like Pell. I am shocked!

  79. vr

    I haven’t been following the case closely. What was the reason given for the suppression order?

  80. Infidel Tiger

    I haven’t been following the case closely. What was the reason given for the suppression order?

    Second trial which has just been abandoned.

  81. vr

    The smart folks like Adrian Vermeule whose twitter feel I look at, are not buying it.

  82. min

    A paedophile and only I victim in how long? Every other so called accusation fell down in a heap because of lack of evidence or could be proved to be fantasies. Just look at the ones that were caught a history of that behaviour.
    Plenty of funny business has gone on in the Vatican re money issues so would not be a popular boy there. O

  83. The 10-2 not-guilty finding of the original, discharged, jury would have sufficed for an acquittal in most other Australian jurisdictions. Am I right in thinking that the 11-1 majority-verdict requirement and the abolition of bench trials were rushed through to protect certain union and ALP heavyweights if their cases ever came to court? And of course the appointment of John Cain III as principal solicitor at the OPP would have seen if that risk in any case. Thanks OPP these days, like the VicPol leadership, is a wholly owned subsidiary of the Socialist Left faction.

    Speaking of Cain III, does he hold Daddy’s venomous hatred of the DLP? Not, of course, that that would have influenced the PPP’s deliberations 😘

  84. Real Deal

    As it was after the SSM marriage legislation I simply will not be able to watch the news tonight to see the gleeful triumph of the progressive haters. Whenever I hear them and see them I am reminded of the Musical of War of the Worlds and the howls of triumph of the Martian Fighting Machines – “Ulla!! Ulla!!” The Earth belongs to these progressive aliens and there seems to be nothing that can stop them.

  85. C.L.

    The Shorten case must be re-opened.

  86. Lysander

    oh god; Marr tonight on the drum talking about “having your dick sucked by a child”

  87. Lysander

    Marr is hardly an objective person on this matter yet here goes THEIR ABC having a party and a vile one at that (given the promo I’ve just read)

  88. JohnL

    This is a disgrace and a sick April Firs joke served well before the 1 April. Australia is an international laughing stock and this verdict must be reversed in order to at least partially restore any national pride and dignity. There are so many stinking shit holes in this case that only the full and unreserved dismissal and flushing down the toilet of the full case can at least partially restore the trust in law and justice in Australia. This is no longer about Cardinal Pell and never was. This is about the law, justice, standard of proof, the presumption of innocence, due process and most importantly, double jeopardy – all the pillars of justice that are sadly missing in today’s Australia. I don’t know Pell and I am not a friend of Pell. And I am certainly not a friend of pedophiles. If there ever was a need to cut off the dick of a pedophile I would be first to volunteer. But was done to this man and consequently to Australia is the disgrace.
    Just consider the evidence. After the mass, two boys, alleged victim and alleged witness, break away from the quire group, get into the sacristy get to the wine and start drinking it. Pell, who is presumably fully dressed at the time in gown or caftan or what it is called, and presumably wears long pants, presumably fully buttoned up, and some sort of underwear under all that, is aimlessly wandering in corridors and accidentally steps in the sacristy and find two boys tasting the wine. So he grabs one boy, alleged victim, and holds him. Presumably by ear, or by the nose, by hand, by dick or by any other means. Presumably with one hand. With his other hand, and there is no evidence that he has more than two hands, he lifts his gown, unbuttons or drops down his pants, fiddles with his underwear and manages to get his dick free, sticks it into the boys, alleged victims, mouth and enjoys the blow job. The boy, the alleged victim, just stands there totally immobilised. The other boy, the alleged witness, also stands there, immobilized and observes the incidence. However, this witness cannot give evidence at the trial because he conveniently days 20 years later from the drug overdose. How unfortunate (or convenient)!
    If anyone of you out there believes this then you must believe that the tooth fairy is coming to your area soon.
    honestly, you could not make this up! This is a drug addict’s wet dream of dreams!

  89. JC

    You know , not because it was tits, but I reckon the accuser had cred and the witnesses at the time gave corroborating evidence.

    Tits shorten should go to trial.

  90. Not that I was expecting any, but it should be noted that you lot are showing exactly zero remorse for having supported a convicted rock spider. Mighty Christian of you.

  91. calli

    That’s because we don’t believe it’s true, m0nty. The rockspidery, not the conviction.

    There are such things as miscarriage of justice, and spite, and revenge.

  92. There are such things as miscarriage of justice, and spite, and revenge.

    And much more frequent are those who are just plain guilty.

  93. C.L.

    He’s not guilty, Monty, that’s why.
    The prosecution was rigged and the “victim” is a charlatan.
    As the second boy admitted before he died, it was all made up.

    There is far more evidence of Joe Biden molesting children and you supported him for eight years.

  94. Lysander

    FIFY Monty

    Not that I was expecting any, but it should be noted that you lot are showing exactly zero remorse for having supported Bill Shorten. Mighty Labor of you.

  95. JC

    Monst

    On the basis of similar evidence … actually more so because there is corroborating evidence – you’re voting for as yet an unconvicted r&&& pist. Shame on you too.

  96. Cassie of Sydney

    I hope Monty is falsely accused one day of an awful crime. I really do. And you know what….I’ll laugh.

  97. candy

    What Monty just said means we should be careful of what we say. The Left people here may take it into their heads to alert authority ? Be careful about choie of words now the trial has gone this way.

  98. There is far more evidence of Joe Biden molesting children

    No.

    Bill Shorten

    No.

    There’s only one bloke who has been convicted of being a rock spider today.

  99. calli

    I would rather die than shut up! – Lars Hedegaard

  100. Infidel Tiger

    There’s only one bloke who has been convicted of being a rock spider today.

    Have you been sentenced yet?

  101. iain russell

    Tx to hzhousewife for rekindling the Bonge issue – what did he know and when did he know it? Did he give evidence to the RC?

  102. Cassie of Sydney

    candy
    #2944210, posted on February 26, 2019 at 3:49 pm
    IT. Be careful.”

    Why?

  103. Is there any issue on which you lot will not go tu quoque? I reckon when you’re at the Pearly Gates and St Peter tells you to rack off, you’ll whine about how mean Jesus was to the money changers at the temple.

  104. Infidel Tiger

    IT. Be careful.

    Of?

  105. Shy Ted

    And somewhere in a very expensive hotel probably far, far away Julia Gillard rubs her hands together and thinks “mission accomplished”. And then returns to trying to remember who’s holding her (our) millions.

  106. C.L.

    Every single witness interviewed by police said the archbishop was never out of sight. In fact, the detective taking statements admitted under cross-examination at the committal that he stopped taking statements because everybody (without exception) said the whole thing was fantastic nonsense and never happened. That’s right: the police got sick of the exculpatory evidence so they stopped collecting it. VicPol’s strategy was always to force Pell into court on any pretext in the hope that he would be found guilty of being George Pell. Part of the reason for this vendetta is that Graham Ashton lied to a parliamentary committee on Church responses to sexual abuse and Pell’s QC beat the shit out of him. From that moment on, VicPol began rigging a prosecution. We have since learned that VicPol rigged dozens of prosecutions as a matter of policy.

  107. stackja

    Cassie – Cats should not say certain things. Sinc rules!

  108. Infidel Tiger

    Even Frank Brennan believes it was a travesty of justice.

  109. stackja

    C.L. – Lawyer X RC might reveal more.

  110. stackja

    IT – Vic found 12 believers.

  111. ian3029

    For those without a Herald-Sun account. (it’s a bit long, sorry).

    Andrew Bolt: Why Pell has been falsely convicted
    Andrew Bolt, Herald Sun
    25 minutes ago
    Subscriber only

    Cardinal George Pell has been falsely convicted of sexual abusing two boys in their early teens. That’s my opinion, based on the overwhelming evidence.
    And my opinion is also based in part on how many times Pell has been accused of crimes and sins he clearly did not do.
    But at last some of the truckload of mud thrown at him has stuck. It adds up to this: Pell, Australia’s most senior Catholic, has been made to pay for the sins of his church and a media campaign of vilification.
    He is a scapegoat, not a child abuser. In my opinion.
    Declaration: I have met Pell perhaps five times in my life and like him. I am not a Catholic or even a Christian.
    But here is why I cannot believe this verdict, which clearly shocked reporters when first announced (but suppressed) last year, and which Pell is appealing as unsound.
    The suppression order was lifted in court today. Media and police surround Cardinal George Pell outside court today. Picture: AP Photo/Andy Brownbill
    You are meant to believe that Pell in 1996 found the two choir boys in St Patrick’s cathedral’s sacristy drinking altar wine just after a Mass at which Pell had officiated.
    You are meant to believe that Pell forced one boy to give him oral sex while grabbing the other, and also molesting them both.
    Here is why I don’t believe this gothic story — or not enough to think this conviction reasonable.
    One of the boys, now dead, denied he’d been abused.
    The other, whose identity and testimony remain secret, didn’t speak of it for many years.
    The attack is meant to have happened straight after Mass, when Pell is known to have traditionally spoken to worshippers leaving Mass.
    It allegedly happened in the sacristy, normally a very busy room, where Pell would have known people were almost certain to walk in.
    The boys had allegedly slipped away from the procession after Mass to break into the sacristy, but none of the other choristers who gave evidence said they’d noticed them doing so, or noticed them rejoining the choir later.
    Pell was normally followed everywhere during and after Mass by the master of ceremonies, Monsignor Charles Portelli, who testified that he escorted the then Archbishop from the moment he arrived at the cathedral, until the moment he left. He declared the assault impossible.
    Not a single witness from what was a busy cathedral at the time of the alleged abuse noticed a thing during the estimated 10 minutes of this alleged attack.
    There is no history or pattern of similar abuse by Pell, unlike with real church paedophiles such as Gerard Ridsdale who raped or assaulted at least 65 children. Pell was 55 years old at the time of alleged abuse.
    George Pell at the Vatican in 2012. Picture: Franco Origlia/Getty Images
    No wonder that a first jury failed to convict Pell. I am unable to tell you just how very close it came to acquitting him before it was discharged as deadlocked.
    On top of that, the man I know seems not just incapable of such abuse, but so intelligent and cautious that he would never risk his brilliant career and good name on such a mad assault in such a public place.
    There will be many people who’d angrily respond that we should always believe the victims, or at least believe this one. Why would anyone make a false allegation?
    But Pell has been accused very often of serious offences by people who were plainly wrong. Maybe they misremembered. Maybe they had the wrong guy.
    Or maybe they were looking for someone to pay for some past trauma, and chose the man that the media has vilified ever since he emerged as the Church’s most articulate — and conservative — advocate in this country.
    Those false or plainly flimsy allegations include:
    US media faces its moment of truth

    Several allegations dropped during the committal process after being shown to be wrong or too weak to even put to any jury. For instance, he was accused of abusing someone at a Ballarat screening of Close Encounters of the Third Kind in 1978 — six months before the film actually came to the city.
    Allegations that Pell fondled boys in a swimming pool in the 1970s when tossing children off his shoulders. Prosecutors today dropped their case — run separately to the one that’s had Pell found guilty — as hopeless.
    A claim by a witness to the royal commission on child sex abuse that he’d knocked at the door of Pell’s Ballarat presbytery four decades ago to warn him of a paedophile priest. Pell actually lived miles away, and almost invariably worked in his college office at that time of day.
    Another claim by a witness that he’d told Pell in Ballarat of an abusive priest. Pell’s passport showed he was living and studying in Europe that year.
    A claim by David Ridsdale, later an abuser himself, that Pell tried to bribe him to stop him telling police he’d been abused by his uncle, notorious paedophile priest Gerald Ridsdale. The ABC promoted this claim, but the royal commission’s counsel assisting said the evidence does not support it.
    Pell has survived so many fake allegations. Now he has fallen for one of the most unlikely of all.
    In my opinion, this is our own OJ Simpson case, but in reverse. A man was found guilty not on the facts but on prejudice.

  112. Shy Ted

    The World Today devoted 30 minutes to it. Gleefully. Victims were described as “choirboys” in classic ABC speak. Might have been when kids but far from that as adults. So one dead victim “accidental heroin overdose” which really means junkie. A second refusing to be identified or give evidence and be cross-examined as I understand it “wife and children, just want to put it behind him” but previously reported IIRC as an alcoholic. And then the evidence from former clergy and former choirboys all saying it couldn’t have happened. And just nothing to support the accusations. This has to sit very badly with a lot of people involved in “getting” him.

  113. Infidel Tiger

    Good to see Andrew Bolt has refused to backdown from his support.

  114. Cassie of Sydney

    “m0nty
    #2944216, posted on February 26, 2019 at 3:51 pm
    Is there any issue on which you lot will not go tu quoque? I reckon when you’re at the Pearly Gates and St Peter tells you to rack off, you’ll whine about how mean Jesus was to the money changers at the temple.”

    You, always smug and obscene, assumes everyone commenting here are Christians, I’m not ….I have no idea what “pearly gates” are. Also there are many atheists who believe that what was done to Pell is a travesty…you won’t be so smug when he is acquitted on appeal. And secondly, as I said above, I really hope you are falsely accused on an awful crime. Until then…crawl back into the hole you came out of and FUCK OFF.

  115. ian3029

    I just tried to post Andrew Bolt’s article from the Herald-Sun. It seems to have disappeared into the ether. I will wait and try again.

  116. ian3029

    Retry of Bolt’s article

    Cardinal George Pell has been falsely convicted of sexual abusing two boys in their early teens. That’s my opinion, based on the overwhelming evidence.
    And my opinion is also based in part on how many times Pell has been accused of crimes and sins he clearly did not do.
    But at last some of the truckload of mud thrown at him has stuck. It adds up to this: Pell, Australia’s most senior Catholic, has been made to pay for the sins of his church and a media campaign of vilification.
    He is a scapegoat, not a child abuser. In my opinion.
    Declaration: I have met Pell perhaps five times in my life and like him. I am not a Catholic or even a Christian.
    But here is why I cannot believe this verdict, which clearly shocked reporters when first announced (but suppressed) last year, and which Pell is appealing as unsound.
    The suppression order was lifted in court today. Media and police surround Cardinal George Pell outside court today. Picture: AP Photo/Andy Brownbill
    You are meant to believe that Pell in 1996 found the two choir boys in St Patrick’s cathedral’s sacristy drinking altar wine just after a Mass at which Pell had officiated.
    You are meant to believe that Pell forced one boy to give him oral sex while grabbing the other, and also molesting them both.
    Here is why I don’t believe this gothic story — or not enough to think this conviction reasonable.
    One of the boys, now dead, denied he’d been abused.
    The other, whose identity and testimony remain secret, didn’t speak of it for many years.
    The attack is meant to have happened straight after Mass, when Pell is known to have traditionally spoken to worshippers leaving Mass.
    It allegedly happened in the sacristy, normally a very busy room, where Pell would have known people were almost certain to walk in.
    The boys had allegedly slipped away from the procession after Mass to break into the sacristy, but none of the other choristers who gave evidence said they’d noticed them doing so, or noticed them rejoining the choir later.
    Pell was normally followed everywhere during and after Mass by the master of ceremonies, Monsignor Charles Portelli, who testified that he escorted the then Archbishop from the moment he arrived at the cathedral, until the moment he left. He declared the assault impossible.
    Not a single witness from what was a busy cathedral at the time of the alleged abuse noticed a thing during the estimated 10 minutes of this alleged attack.
    There is no history or pattern of similar abuse by Pell, unlike with real church paedophiles such as Gerard Ridsdale who raped or assaulted at least 65 children. Pell was 55 years old at the time of alleged abuse.
    George Pell at the Vatican in 2012. Picture: Franco Origlia/Getty Images
    No wonder that a first jury failed to convict Pell. I am unable to tell you just how very close it came to acquitting him before it was discharged as deadlocked.
    On top of that, the man I know seems not just incapable of such abuse, but so intelligent and cautious that he would never risk his brilliant career and good name on such a mad assault in such a public place.
    There will be many people who’d angrily respond that we should always believe the victims, or at least believe this one. Why would anyone make a false allegation?
    But Pell has been accused very often of serious offences by people who were plainly wrong. Maybe they misremembered. Maybe they had the wrong guy.
    Or maybe they were looking for someone to pay for some past trauma, and chose the man that the media has vilified ever since he emerged as the Church’s most articulate — and conservative — advocate in this country.
    Those false or plainly flimsy allegations include:
    US media faces its moment of truth

    Several allegations dropped during the committal process after being shown to be wrong or too weak to even put to any jury. For instance, he was accused of abusing someone at a Ballarat screening of Close Encounters of the Third Kind in 1978 — six months before the film actually came to the city.
    Allegations that Pell fondled boys in a swimming pool in the 1970s when tossing children off his shoulders. Prosecutors today dropped their case — run separately to the one that’s had Pell found guilty — as hopeless.
    A claim by a witness to the royal commission on child sex abuse that he’d knocked at the door of Pell’s Ballarat presbytery four decades ago to warn him of a paedophile priest. Pell actually lived miles away, and almost invariably worked in his college office at that time of day.
    Another claim by a witness that he’d told Pell in Ballarat of an abusive priest. Pell’s passport showed he was living and studying in Europe that year.
    A claim by David Ridsdale, later an abuser himself, that Pell tried to bribe him to stop him telling police he’d been abused by his uncle, notorious paedophile priest Gerald Ridsdale. The ABC promoted this claim, but the royal commission’s counsel assisting said the evidence does not support it.
    Pell has survived so many fake allegations. Now he has fallen for one of the most unlikely of all.
    In my opinion, this is our own OJ Simpson case, but in reverse. A man was found guilty not on the facts but on prejudice.

  117. pete m

    What would be ironic is if Pell gets a wholly suspended sentence but the moron journos who breached the suppression orders get sent to gaol.

    Sadly, nothing will restore his reputation. The appeal finding will be said to be a legal technicality. He got off due to smart lawyers etc.

  118. None

    I am not a Catholic. Pell is innocent.
    Brennan is not a Pell fan but attended parts of the trial. He agrees. https://www.eurekastreet.com.au/article/truth-and-justice-after-the-pell-verdict

  119. Cassie of Sydney

    The Australian has at least published a quality piece by Brennan which is a sober and thoughtful analysis of the whole sordid affair. Brennan knows he didn’t do it. But The Oz, like all media, has jumped on the bandwagon and is baying….baying……it is pure unadulterated hysteria.

    I won’t be watching any news tonight, like I didn’t after the SSM vote was announced….I just can’t bear the media hysteria.

    I also have a feeling that the left are now going to go after Tony Abbott……with great fury….they lump Abbott and Pell together.

  120. C.L.

    No no, Monty.
    There is ample evidence that Joe Biden molested children.
    In any jurisdiction of the Western world, an adult who sniffed girls’ hair, touched up their backsides, felt their tiny breasts and rubbed himself against their bodies would be arrested and jailed.

    On the other hand, no evidence whatsoever was brought forward against Pell. None.

  121. Infidel Tiger

    Garth Godsman

    @GarthGodsman
    5m5 minutes ago
    More
    If fact, P ell would have been wearing four layers – trousers, a choir cassock over them, an alb (long, full length like the cassock) over that, and then a gothic chasuble over that, and yet has supposedly managed to whip his dick out, as people pass by the open door #auspol

    https://twitter.com/GarthGodsman/status/1100261569391259648

  122. C.L.

    Breaking: they’re now after the Archbishop of Brisbane with yet another phony claim.

  123. None

    C.L.
    #2944220, posted on February 26, 2019 at 3:52 pm

    Vicpol needs to be hauled in front of a corruption tribunal.

  124. I should have known you would be impossible to reason with today, CL. Your grip on reality is practically non-existent.

  125. None

    Reme ber Marr publicly defended a gay couple on grounds of homophobia after their arrest. THey were found guilty with compelling incontestable evidence of child sex abuse. in other words Marr defended paedophiles because they were gay.

  126. Monty would have convicted Brett Kavanaugh even though the “victim” could not remember most of the important points about when, where etc and zero corroboration.

  127. Infidel Tiger

    Breaking: they’re now after the Archbishop of Brisbane with yet another phony claim.

    Rolling show trials.

  128. Cassie of Sydney

    What Biden is doing in that video is clear molestation……something that turd Monty has no problem with.

  129. C.L.

    According to the press accounts of the so-called victim’s “evidence” today, Pell finished Mass, then popped into an ante-room where he ordered two boys to fellate him, ejaculated, then asked one boy to remove his pants, fondled him, then masturbated (!) … all in the course of “a few minutes.”

    I mean, as ya do.

    How convenient that this lying douchebag jam-packed multiple orgasms and molestations into two minutes – all the better to counter the eyewitness testimony of every other human being at the church that day, all of whom said no such thing could have occurred in any privacy timeframe.

    This is the bleach, noose and MAGA country of Austalian legal history.

    Total and absolute bullshit.

  130. Cassie of Sydney

    Monty obviously has no problem with some “rock spiders”….depends on their politics you see.

  131. stackja

    C.L. – Many to get now.

  132. stackja

    C.L. – ‘Evidence’ manufacturing in full steam.

  133. Ivan Denisovich

    But The Oz, like all media, has jumped on the bandwagon and is baying….baying……it is pure unadulterated hysteria

    SBS has been running a large banner across screens at regular intervals with the news and advertising full details in their nightly news and online.

    And LGBTI activist journo (Benedict Brook) and lefty (Gavin Fernando) have authored articles on the P e l l news for news.com.au. I’ve only looked at the bio/twitter of those two, there could be articles of other journos hostile to the Cardinal on that site.

  134. JC

    @GrahamAshtonCCP Hey Tubby, You pushed for the show trial to have Pell charged and convicted on flimsier evidence than the accused and corroborators provided against Shorten. We’re waiting, you bald, dishonest little swine.

  135. Roger Franklin

    Best coverage you’ll find anywhere: Peter Wales on the Pell verdict at Quadrant.

    Homepage lede

  136. None

    Remember Marr publicly defended a gay couple on grounds of homophobia after their arrest. They were found guilty with compelling incontestable evidence of child sex abuse. in other words Marr defended p—s because they were gay.

  137. KartiyaReality

    Auctoritas non veritas facit legem

    Truth and justice after the Pell verdict

    https://www.eurekastreet.com.au/article/truth-and-justice-after-the-pell-verdict

  138. Cassie of Sydney

    I feel for George Pell…an innocent man. I never felt any warmth for him….he is rather distant and remote man but those traits don’t make you a criminal. George Pell probably thought that prayers and his belief in the justice system would find him innocent….he failed to understand that you need more than prayers…..as somebody wrote earlier in this blog…you simply can’t turn the other cheek when you are confronted with manufactured lies and evil. When the left are after you….you have to stop being polite, you have to stop being nice, you must fight.

    Anyway the future isn’t pretty…not just for Christians, but for Joooos, Hindus, Buddhists and all other religions apart from the protected one of course…the one religion that causes more damage, more deaths and more abuse than any of the other religions put together.

  139. Lysander

    Until then…crawl back into the hole you came out of and FUCK OFF.

    Cassie… too kind still.

  140. Des Deskperson

    ‘what did he know and when did he know it? Did he give evidence to the RC?’

    IIRC, Bonge made a written statement to the Royal Commission responding to witness PBL’s claims, stating that he had no recollection of being told about Ridsdale, disputed some of the time and date details in the witnesses allegation and averred that, in his time as a priest in the Ballarat Diocese, he received no report or complaint about the sexual abuse of minors by any priest or brother, and was not in any other way made aware of these matters.

    There is a link to this statement on Bolt’s website.

    Presumably, given that it was a case of he said/he said, the RC decided to take it no further.

    Please be clear that I have neither affection nor sympathy for Bonge, whose latest tweets a kind person would ascribe to senility. Last time I saw him in the flesh, he looked like a clumsily animated cadaver.

  141. Iain Russell

    Des, thank you. It was a genuine query.

  142. Cassie of Sydney

    I have just read Andrew Bolt’s article on his site…..I am sometimes a little hard on Andrew Bolt, accusing him of being soft and mushy….too desperate for people to like him. However in his article this afternoon he calls out the trial and verdict for what it is…..a complete and utter travesty. Well done to Andrew Bolt.

  143. None

    Cassie- Pell is actually a very warm and personable individual when you meet him. He just puts on a stoic exterior in certain formal situations which is how his generation was raised. My grandfathers were exactly the same. He was under no illusions that people hate him and in fact instructed his lawyer to point out that there was a little bit of anti-catholic bigotry behind these particular accusations. And he has never been under any illusions that he would need to fight to clear his name. All Christians are taught to expect false accusations and persecution and to. use Christ as an example as how to respond. That he has remained calm through this entire travesty is because he is following his Lords example. I know you are a good and fair minded person so you would understand that even if you don’t share his faith but that is totally lost on the baying lynch mob.

    I’m pretty disgusted with the Daily Telegraph reporting as well and I’m not sure what his former AFL club and school have done given me breathless front page. In fact I’m just refusing to read anything more on this as I was aware of some of the details even last year. I’m glad for his sake that the swimming pool charges have been dropped I mean these were equally ludicrous although I note that the dead accuser’s father now wants to sue. So after all these years we are left with the lies of one man of questionable mental stability claiming that Pell ripped off a pile of clothes and heavy vestments to molest him in a sacrustry with an Open Door after mass in a cathedral all in the space of minutes. And fmd no one even noticed that the wine had been tampered with. Yeah right. Don’t anyone ever mention Fair Go ever again. I have no doubt no doubt whatsoever that Australians would crucify Jesus should he ever walk the earth again.

  144. vr

    Can someone post snippets of the Bolt article? It’s behind the paywall.

  145. Cassie of Sydney

    vr
    #2944306, posted on February 26, 2019 at 5:11 pm
    Can someone post snippets of the Bolt article? It’s behind the paywall.

    I will try

  146. Cassie of Sydney

    Here is the Bolt column this afternoon..

    Andrew Bolt: Why Pell has been falsely convicted
    Andrew Bolt, Herald Sun
    Cardinal George Pell has been falsely convicted of sexually abusing two boys in their early teens. That’s my opinion, based on the overwhelming evidence.
    And my opinion is also based in part on how many times Pell has been accused of crimes and sins he clearly did not do.
    But at last some of the truckload of mud thrown at him has stuck. It adds up to this: Pell, Australia’s most senior Catholic, has been made to pay for the sins of his church and a media campaign of vilification.
    He is a scapegoat, not a child abuser. In my opinion.
    Declaration: I have met Pell perhaps five times in my life and like him. I am not a Catholic or even a Christian.
    But here is why I cannot believe this verdict, which clearly shocked reporters when first announced (but suppressed) last year, and which Pell is appealing as unsound.
    The suppression order was lifted in court today. Media and police surround Cardinal George Pell outside court today. Picture: AP Photo/Andy Brownbill
    You are meant to believe that Pell in the mid-1990s found the two choir boys in St Patrick’s cathedral’s sacristy drinking altar wine just after a Mass at which Pell had officiated.
    You are meant to believe that Pell forced one boy to give him oral sex while grabbing the other, and also molesting them both.
    Here is why I don’t believe this gothic story — or not enough to think this conviction reasonable.
    One of the boys, now dead, denied he’d been abused.
    The other, whose identity and testimony remain secret, didn’t speak of it for many years.
    The attack is meant to have happened straight after Mass, when Pell is known to have traditionally spoken to worshippers leaving Mass.
    It allegedly happened in the sacristy, normally a very busy room, where Pell would have known people were almost certain to walk in.
    The boys had allegedly slipped away from the procession after Mass to break into the sacristy, but none of the other choristers who gave evidence said they’d noticed them doing so, or noticed them rejoining the choir later.
    Pell was normally followed everywhere during and after Mass by the master of ceremonies, Monsignor Charles Portelli, who testified that he escorted the then Archbishop from the moment he arrived at the cathedral, until the moment he left. He declared the assault impossible.
    Not a single witness from what was a busy cathedral at the time of the alleged abuse noticed a thing during the estimated 10 minutes of this alleged attack.
    There is no history or pattern of similar abuse by Pell, unlike with real church paedophiles such as Gerard Ridsdale who raped or assaulted at least 65 children. Pell was 55 years old at the time of alleged abuse.

    George Pell at the Vatican in 2012. Picture: Franco Origlia/Getty Images
    No wonder that a first jury failed to convict Pell. I am unable to tell you just how very close it came to acquitting him before it was discharged as deadlocked.
    On top of that, the man I know seems not just incapable of such abuse, but so intelligent and cautious that he would never risk his brilliant career and good name on such a mad assault in such a public place.
    There will be many people who’d angrily respond that we should always believe the victims, or at least believe this one. Why would anyone make a false allegation?
    But Pell has been accused very often of serious offences by people who were plainly wrong. Maybe they misremembered. Maybe they had the wrong guy.
    Or maybe they were looking for someone to pay for some past trauma, and chose the man that the media has vilified ever since he emerged as the Church’s most articulate — and conservative — advocate in this country.
    Those false or plainly flimsy allegations include:
    US media faces its moment of truth
    Several allegations dropped during the committal process after being shown to be wrong or too weak to even put to any jury. For instance, he was accused of abusing someone at a Ballarat screening of Close Encounters of the Third Kind in 1978 — six months before the film actually came to the city.
    Allegations that Pell fondled boys in a swimming pool in the 1970s when tossing children off his shoulders. Prosecutors today dropped their case — run separately to the one that’s had Pell found guilty — as hopeless.
    A claim by a witness to the royal commission on child sex abuse that he’d knocked at the door of Pell’s Ballarat presbytery four decades ago to warn him of a paedophile priest. Pell actually lived miles away, and almost invariably worked in his college office at that time of day.
    Another claim by a witness that he’d told Pell in Ballarat of an abusive priest. Pell’s passport showed he was living and studying in Europe that year.

    A claim by David Ridsdale, later an abuser himself, that Pell tried to bribe him to stop him telling police he’d been abused by his uncle, notorious paedophile priest Gerald Ridsdale. The ABC promoted this claim, but the royal commission’s counsel assisting said the evidence does not support it.
    Pell has survived so many fake allegations. Now he has fallen for one of the most unlikely of all.
    In my opinion, this is our own OJ Simpson case, but in reverse. A man was found guilty not on the facts but on prejudice.

  147. Cassie of Sydney

    Andrew Bolt: Why Pell has been falsely convicted
    Andrew Bolt, Herald Sun
    Cardinal George Pell has been falsely convicted of sexually abusing two boys in their early teens. That’s my opinion, based on the overwhelming evidence.
    And my opinion is also based in part on how many times Pell has been accused of crimes and sins he clearly did not do.
    But at last some of the truckload of mud thrown at him has stuck. It adds up to this: Pell, Australia’s most senior Catholic, has been made to pay for the sins of his church and a media campaign of vilification.
    He is a scapegoat, not a child abuser. In my opinion.
    Declaration: I have met Pell perhaps five times in my life and like him. I am not a Catholic or even a Christian.
    But here is why I cannot believe this verdict, which clearly shocked reporters when first announced (but suppressed) last year, and which Pell is appealing as unsound.
    The suppression order was lifted in court today. Media and police surround Cardinal George Pell outside court today. Picture: AP Photo/Andy Brownbill
    You are meant to believe that Pell in the mid-1990s found the two choir boys in St Patrick’s cathedral’s sacristy drinking altar wine just after a Mass at which Pell had officiated.
    You are meant to believe that Pell forced one boy to give him oral sex while grabbing the other, and also molesting them both.
    Here is why I don’t believe this gothic story — or not enough to think this conviction reasonable.
    One of the boys, now dead, denied he’d been abused.
    The other, whose identity and testimony remain secret, didn’t speak of it for many years.
    The attack is meant to have happened straight after Mass, when Pell is known to have traditionally spoken to worshippers leaving Mass.
    It allegedly happened in the sacristy, normally a very busy room, where Pell would have known people were almost certain to walk in.
    The boys had allegedly slipped away from the procession after Mass to break into the sacristy, but none of the other choristers who gave evidence said they’d noticed them doing so, or noticed them rejoining the choir later.
    Pell was normally followed everywhere during and after Mass by the master of ceremonies, Monsignor Charles Portelli, who testified that he escorted the then Archbishop from the moment he arrived at the cathedral, until the moment he left. He declared the assault impossible.
    Not a single witness from what was a busy cathedral at the time of the alleged abuse noticed a thing during the estimated 10 minutes of this alleged attack.
    There is no history or pattern of similar abuse by Pell, unlike with real church paedophiles such as Gerard Ridsdale who raped or assaulted at least 65 children. Pell was 55 years old at the time of alleged abuse.

    George Pell at the Vatican in 2012. Picture: Franco Origlia/Getty Images
    No wonder that a first jury failed to convict Pell. I am unable to tell you just how very close it came to acquitting him before it was discharged as deadlocked.
    On top of that, the man I know seems not just incapable of such abuse, but so intelligent and cautious that he would never risk his brilliant career and good name on such a mad assault in such a public place.
    There will be many people who’d angrily respond that we should always believe the victims, or at least believe this one. Why would anyone make a false allegation?
    But Pell has been accused very often of serious offences by people who were plainly wrong. Maybe they misremembered. Maybe they had the wrong guy.
    Or maybe they were looking for someone to pay for some past trauma, and chose the man that the media has vilified ever since he emerged as the Church’s most articulate — and conservative — advocate in this country.
    Those false or plainly flimsy allegations include:
    US media faces its moment of truth
    Several allegations dropped during the committal process after being shown to be wrong or too weak to even put to any jury. For instance, he was accused of abusing someone at a Ballarat screening of Close Encounters of the Third Kind in 1978 — six months before the film actually came to the city.
    Allegations that Pell fondled boys in a swimming pool in the 1970s when tossing children off his shoulders. Prosecutors today dropped their case — run separately to the one that’s had Pell found guilty — as hopeless.
    A claim by a witness to the royal commission on child sex abuse that he’d knocked at the door of Pell’s Ballarat presbytery four decades ago to warn him of a paedophile priest. Pell actually lived miles away, and almost invariably worked in his college office at that time of day.
    Another claim by a witness that he’d told Pell in Ballarat of an abusive priest. Pell’s passport showed he was living and studying in Europe that year.
    A claim by David Ridsdale, later an abuser himself, that Pell tried to bribe him to stop him telling police he’d been abused by his uncle, notorious paedophile priest Gerald Ridsdale. The ABC promoted this claim, but the royal commission’s counsel assisting said the evidence does not support it.
    Pell has survived so many fake allegations. Now he has fallen for one of the most unlikely of all.
    In my opinion, this is our own OJ Simpson case, but in reverse. A man was found guilty not on the facts but on prejudice.

  148. Cassie of Sydney

    Here are snippets..

    Andrew Bolt: Why Pell has been falsely convicted
    Andrew Bolt, Herald Sun
    Cardinal George Pell has been falsely convicted of sexually abusing two boys in their early teens. That’s my opinion, based on the overwhelming evidence.
    And my opinion is also based in part on how many times Pell has been accused of crimes and sins he clearly did not do.
    But at last some of the truckload of mud thrown at him has stuck. It adds up to this: Pell, Australia’s most senior Catholic, has been made to pay for the sins of his church and a media campaign of vilification.
    He is a scapegoat, not a child abuser. In my opinion.
    Declaration: I have met Pell perhaps five times in my life and like him. I am not a Catholic or even a Christian.

  149. Cassie of Sydney

    But here is why I cannot believe this verdict, which clearly shocked reporters when first announced (but suppressed) last year, and which Pell is appealing as unsound.
    The suppression order was lifted in court today. Media and police surround Cardinal George Pell outside court today. Picture: AP Photo/Andy Brownbill
    You are meant to believe that Pell in the mid-1990s found the two choir boys in St Patrick’s cathedral’s sacristy drinking altar wine just after a Mass at which Pell had officiated.
    You are meant to believe that Pell forced one boy to give him oral sex while grabbing the other, and also molesting them both.
    Here is why I don’t believe this gothic story — or not enough to think this conviction reasonable.
    One of the boys, now dead, denied he’d been abused.
    The other, whose identity and testimony remain secret, didn’t speak of it for many years.
    The attack is meant to have happened straight after Mass, when Pell is known to have traditionally spoken to worshippers leaving Mass.
    It allegedly happened in the sacristy, normally a very busy room, where Pell would have known people were almost certain to walk in.

  150. Cassie of Sydney

    The boys had allegedly slipped away from the procession after Mass to break into the sacristy, but none of the other choristers who gave evidence said they’d noticed them doing so, or noticed them rejoining the choir later.
    Pell was normally followed everywhere during and after Mass by the master of ceremonies, Monsignor Charles Portelli, who testified that he escorted the then Archbishop from the moment he arrived at the cathedral, until the moment he left. He declared the assault impossible.
    Not a single witness from what was a busy cathedral at the time of the alleged abuse noticed a thing during the estimated 10 minutes of this alleged attack.
    There is no history or pattern of similar abuse by Pell, unlike with real church paedophiles such as Gerard Ridsdale who raped or assaulted at least 65 children. Pell was 55 years old at the time of alleged abuse.

    George Pell at the Vatican in 2012. Picture: Franco Origlia/Getty Images
    No wonder that a first jury failed to convict Pell. I am unable to tell you just how very close it came to acquitting him before it was discharged as deadlocked.
    On top of that, the man I know seems not just incapable of such abuse, but so intelligent and cautious that he would never risk his brilliant career and good name on such a mad assault in such a public place.
    There will be many people who’d angrily respond that we should always believe the victims, or at least believe this one. Why would anyone make a false allegation?
    But Pell has been accused very often of serious offences by people who were plainly wrong. Maybe they misremembered. Maybe they had the wrong guy.
    Or maybe they were looking for someone to pay for some past trauma, and chose the man that the media has vilified ever since he emerged as the Church’s most articulate — and conservative — advocate in this country.
    Those false or plainly flimsy allegations include:
    US media faces its moment of truth
    Several allegations dropped during the committal process after being shown to be wrong or too weak to even put to any jury. For instance, he was accused of abusing someone at a Ballarat screening of Close Encounters of the Third Kind in 1978 — six months before the film actually came to the city.
    Allegations that Pell fondled boys in a swimming pool in the 1970s when tossing children off his shoulders. Prosecutors today dropped their case — run separately to the one that’s had Pell found guilty — as hopeless.

  151. Cassie of Sydney

    A claim by a witness to the royal commission on child sex abuse that he’d knocked at the door of Pell’s Ballarat presbytery four decades ago to warn him of a pedo priest. Pell actually lived miles away, and almost invariably worked in his college office at that time of day.
    Another claim by a witness that he’d told Pell in Ballarat of an abusive priest. Pell’s passport showed he was living and studying in Europe that year.
    A claim by David Ridsdale, later an abuser himself, that Pell tried to bribe him to stop him telling police he’d been abused by his uncle, notorious pedo priest Gerald Ridsdale. The ABC promoted this claim, but the royal commission’s counsel assisting said the evidence does not support it.
    Pell has survived so many fake allegations. Now he has fallen for one of the most unlikely of all.
    In my opinion, this is our own OJ Simpson case, but in reverse. A man was found guilty not on the facts but on prejudice.

  152. Cassie of Sydney

    I think that I have posted the whole column….I had to fudge the word “pedo” because it doesn’t pass the censor.

  153. C.L.

    Can somebody post the whole Bolt article?
    They read this site for free every day.

  154. classical_hero

    This is a modern day lynching. It’s clear as day who they are targeting.

  155. C.L.

    Thank you Peter Wales at Quadrant for your excellent article.
    Required reading.

  156. vr

    Cassie — You’re a gem. Thanks.

  157. Old Lefty

    Thanks to the suppression order, we’re going to get dribs and drabs of the proceedings filtered by MSM bias (and in the case of the ABC and Fairfax, hyper-bias). And according to Frank Brennan, the full transcript of the ‘evidence’ of the complainant is unlikely ever to be released, so we mere proles will remain in the dark. In Yarragrad, all animals are equal but some are more equal than others (and I’ll bet Orwell is banned from state schools).

    Two questions: did Kidd, as reported in one account, really forbid questions that went to he integrity and credibility of the accuser? If so, what kind of fair trial is that? Secondly, did Kidd really instruct the jury panel to excuse themselves if the had strong views against the church or – wait for it – were Catholics?

    I can’t wait until the High Court gets its hands on this. Unless Shorten has had time to subvert it before then, we’re in for a rerun of the Barrister X judgment.

  158. Cassie of Sydney

    C.L. I have just posted the whole article in three instalments…above.

  159. Lysander

    Yes thanks Cassie! 🙂

  160. Infidel Tiger

    The presiding judge clearly thought the verdict was garbage.

    What options does he have sentencing wise? Is jail mandatory?

  161. JC

    The presiding judge clearly thought the verdict was garbage.

    How do you know this?

  162. vr

    what’s the appeal process? Is he likely to get bail while on appeal? What are people’s opinion on Ricchter’s work in this trial?

  163. Infidel Tiger

    How do you know this?

    Witnesses all claim he was visibly shocked at the guilty result.

  164. Dr Faustus

    From Fr Brennan’s piece:

    Witnesses familiar with liturgical vestments had been called who gave compelling evidence that it was impossible to produce an erect penis through a seamless alb. An alb is a long robe, worn under a heavier chasuble. It is secured and set in place by a cincture which is like a tightly drawn belt. An alb cannot be unbuttoned or unzipped, the only openings being small slits on the side to allow access to trouser pockets underneath. The complainant’s initial claim to police was that Pell had parted his vestments, but an alb cannot be parted; it is like a seamless dress. Later the complainant said that Pell moved the vestments to the side. An alb secured with a cincture cannot be moved to the side. The police never inspected the vestments during their investigations, nor did the prosecution show that the vestments could be parted or moved to the side as the complainant had alleged. The proposition that the offences charged were committed immediately after Mass by a fully robed archbishop in the sacristy with an open door and in full view from the corridor seemed incredible to my mind.

    Anyone even slightly familiar with liturgical dress would realise that Pell would be standing there, in full view, awkwardly holding a large armful of heavy fabric lifted up from floor level – conducting operations with a single hand.

    Beyond reasonable doubt.

  165. Elle

    The presiding judge clearly thought the verdict was garbage.

    How do you know this?

    My thoughts too, JC.

    vr, the appeals process can take months, though sexual assault matters can get priority listing.
    He could get bail. Does he pose a threat to the community?
    I would say, no.
    Was there an error of law? Can they find an error that contributed to the decision?
    An intriguing case.
    Many suffer while we wait.

  166. Nick

    He is a true martyr. The fact that he was convicted on that evidence, beggars belief.
    Thanks for the Quadrant article, I’ve passed it onto a couple of GP’s friends.

  167. None

    Everybody but the Pell lynch mob was shocked by this verduct. I just said goodbye to the Murdoch press. I simply cannot pay money to support a Lynch mob crucify an innocent man. As Cass said this ihas got repercussions on many people not just Catholics but also choose J_ws Hindus, everybody who does not fall in line with the fascist Elite. I’d rather give my money to the Cardinal’s defence fund. Well done to Brennan and Wales for calling out this travesty.

  168. candy

    My gut feeling has always been he is innocent. In my opinion. A coolish character who has become actually the face of religion/Catholicism/conservatism the Left hate so much.

    I do think you need to be careful how you express support because there’s one or two Lefties here (particularly one) who will correlate support for Cardinal Pell into support for p…..ilia and twist one’s words. It could get very nasty.

    I also think the Left media etc will go after Abbott and any other high level conservatives who have supported Pell in the past and correlate that with them being p….iles as well. I really believe it is dangerous territory.

  169. vr

    The police never inspected the vestments during their investigations, nor did the prosecution show that the vestments could be parted or moved to the side as the complainant had alleged.

    Did Richter raise the issue? If not, why not?

  170. JC

    I do think you need to be careful how you express support because there’s one or two Lefties here (particularly one) who will correlate support for Cardinal Pell into support for p…..ilia and twist one’s words. It could get very nasty.

    Don’t you worry your pert little bum about this, Candy. We can handle those imbeciles with aplomb.

  171. Leigh Lowe

    Anyone even slightly familiar with liturgical dress would realise that Pell would be standing there, in full view, awkwardly holding a large armful of heavy fabric lifted up from floor level – conducting operations with a single hand.

    And, even in a tiny country church in the Ballarat diocese where I was an altar boy, the sacristy was an extremely busy place after mass.
    In fact, it became the focus of all activity … stuff to tidy up and put away, donations from collections being delivered by the collectors, ladies emptying vases of flowers before next week. People coming and going at random.
    Ludicrous to suggest that anything dodgy could go on unnoticed. It seems to be that the sacristy was presented at trial as being like a private dressing room.
    Oh, and did I mention that one of the priests regularly on duty at our church was Gerald Ridsdale. As brazen as he was, even he wasn’t stupid enough to try it on in the sacristy.
    Yes, I am sure mOnty or the draft dodger will tell us of abuse committed in a sacristy … but it wasn’t after a busy Sunday mass.

  172. JC

    Nick
    #2944379, posted on February 26, 2019 at 6:14 pm

    He is a true martyr.

    I don’t this shit , Nick. Leave that to Jesus. He never fought back hard and in almost all cases, not fighting back against the orcs will end up making it worse for you. He should have gone apeshit over that fat sack of shit Milligan and the ABC for instance for criminal defamation. God doesn’t always help get out of trouble. You have to do it yourself and go in hard like Trump, who’s officially now a “Baby Christian”.

    Fuck the Martyr bullshit. You kick heads and keep doing it even after they’re dead metaphorically speaking.

    I hope Milligan chokes dead on a sandwich.

  173. JC

    whoops … I don’t go for this shit…

  174. Cassie of Sydney

    “I do think you need to be careful how you express support because there’s one or two Lefties here (particularly one) who will correlate support for Cardinal Pell into support for p…..ilia and twist one’s words. It could get very nasty.”

    Umm, it’s already very nasty Candy. But don’t you worry….we can stick up for ourselves. And since when does a belief in someone’s innocence actually mean you support p…..ilia? Are you implying that if you believe someone is innocent of a crime….any crime…..that really means you actually support the crime that they have been accused of…even that you believe them to be innocent. Sorry but that’s ludicrous.

  175. Cassie of Sydney

    JC
    #2944393, posted on February 26, 2019 at 6:27 pm

    Well said JC.

  176. Lysander

    has there ever been such a divisive outcome?

    Usually most people have been united by convictions right?

  177. Infidel Tiger

    I don’t this shit , Nick. Leave that to Jesus. He never fought back hard and in almost all cases, not fighting back against the orcs will end up making it worse for you.

    Exactly.

    You go nuclear or you go to jail.

  178. None

    Folks Pelll didn’t deliberately choose Richter for a lawyer for nothing. He has every intention of fighting. He didn’t have to come back to face trial but he did because he wanted to clear his name. He could have easily just stuck it out in the Vatican but he didn’t. I mean the verdict is disgusting and I know that all the lefties who cheer on the asylum seekers are suddenly very concerned about Australian law because you’ll see only they can brought our legal system. If god chose to rain down fire and Brimstone o Victoria and ensure every one of those jurors died a very horrible painful death, I for one would not bat an eyelid.

  179. Atoms for Peace

    With the media pile on at warp factor 10, I posit that we are witnessing the Australian version of TDS and that may not end well for some in the 4th estate.

  180. None

    I want Cal to win on appeal and then sue the media and everybody else for damages.

  181. None

    This is Linda Chamberlain Mark 10.

  182. vlad

    For anyone who hasn’t read Frank Brennan’s article: the jury that convicted didn’t hear the witness – whose mouth is the entire prosecution case – directly in person. They played a recording of his testimony from the first (abortive) trial. That was all.

  183. Cassie of Sydney

    Just watched Chris Kenny on Credlin smack down a stinking rodent (which is actually an insult to rodents) by the name of Ben Oquist…former advisor to Bob Brown and who now heads The Australia Institute. Credlin showed the rodent being interviewed by David Speers just before Credlin started and, as I have already predicted, the green fascist Oquist was actively trying to smear all conservatives and right-wing politicians with Pell …warning to Tony Abbott…it’s time you went nuclear….anyway, Chris Kenny rightly said that smearing social conservatives as the rodent Oquist had just done was “ugly politics because if people on the conservative side wanted to do that to the left of politics then we would be hear all night.” Good on Chris Kenny for calling out the toad green left hypocrisy. And if the left continue down this sordid road then it’s high time for right wing politicians to call out you know who’s rape allegation and ask why it wasn’t further investigated.

  184. candy

    Are you implying that if you believe someone is innocent of a crime….any crime…..that really means you actually support the crime that they have been accused of…even that you believe them to be innocent. Sorry but that’s ludicrous.

    No Cassie, I mean that since Cardinal Pell is found guilty, then a tricky devious person could say those who support CP are in essence supporting p…ilia. It’s the way a nasty blogger Lefty mind could work.

  185. hzhousewife

    I am pretty astonished that no juror asked for the vestments to be physically demonstrated, or that they were anyway demonstrated for the court as part of the case.

  186. Cassie of Sydney

    Candy I’m not scared of toads like Munchy, Barking Mad and the draft dodger. Anyway I do thank you for your genuine concern.

  187. candy

    I have already predicted, the green fascist Oquist was actively trying to smear all conservatives and right-wing politicians with Pell …warning to Tony Abbott

    That’s exactly what I think will happen, and just watch Alex Turnbull on behalf of the Turnbull empire, start it.

  188. JC

    It’s the way a nasty blogger Lefty mind could work.

    Well on that basis, anyone who supports the Liars Party and the Greens support real dinkum misogyny and r***pe. The liars party are notorious r**pists and child abusers for the past 100 years.

  189. Seco

    JC
    #2944407, posted on February 26, 2019 at 6:41 pm

    The same happened to Monsignor Murray in Geelong.

  190. Baldrick

    Anyone who knows the man Pell, knows this is just an absolute travesty of justice.

    The appeal will clear him but unfortunately the damage has already been done.

  191. Nick

    Balders, I know people with kids who know him, not a whiff of anything. Others within the church ? I’d suspect them in a second. Life is strange.

  192. Damian

    Interesting that the other prosecution the Crown was seeking to bring has fallen apart. That was always plan B. They got an unlikely conviction in December and plan B which was always flimsy has been abandoned as it was shown to be bereft of substance.

  193. Seco

    JC
    #2944430, posted on February 26, 2019 at 7:03 pm
    It’s the way a nasty blogger Lefty mind could work.

    Well on that basis, anyone who supports the Liars Party and the Greens support real dinkum misogyny and r***pe. The liars party are notorious r**pists and child abusers for the past 100 years.

    You mean Monty?

  194. Iampeter

    The attack is meant to have happened straight after Mass, when Pell is known to have traditionally spoken to worshippers leaving Mass.

    That’s the thing. This was the major argument of the defense but they couldn’t produce any witnesses or something?
    From what’s been released, this should’ve been an open and shut case, a he-said/she-said, with no grounds to convict anyone of anything.
    And I say this as someone who thinks Christianity is evil, as is anyone who is a cardinal, in one of this cults many horrible sects.

    It also doesn’t fit the pattern of the widespread child abuse within the church, which generally involve perpetrators that are known to the victims and some grooming. I can understand the defense not wanting to touch this, as it would make the trial against the Church, instead of Pell, which is guilty as hell.
    Still, why no witnesses to just end this? The 90’s weren’t that long ago.

    We simply don’t have enough information, with the testimony of the accuser still largely redacted.
    It’s also impossible to get any objective coverage, since you either have those that want to burn the Catholic church to the ground, so can’t view this case, qua-this case. Or, we have Christian cultists, that don’t care what anyone did or didn’t do and will mindlessly defend their cult. Which is how we got to the situation of mass, sexual abuse of children and cover-ups, on a global scale and across generations.
    Cultists will be cultists.

    In any case, it would be good to have the accusers testimony in full. That’s what the jury went on, as there doesn’t appear to be anything else.

  195. stackja

    Abortion supporter now pretending to be a lawyer.

  196. Baldrick

    Strange days indeed Nick.

  197. Anne

    Harvey Weinstein was the tiny, tiny tip of the child savaging, Hollywood Iceburg.

    The Controllers threw him under the bus in the hope of distracting an increasingly awakened public.

  198. Pickles

    Every cloud has a silver lining. The beneath bestial activities of homosexuals has been recriminalsed.

  199. stackja

    Cassie – Bob Brown advisor on what?

  200. vlad

    From what I’ve been able to glean, the only zinger the prosecution came up with was that the complainant was able to describe details of the sacristy (the off-limits room) that only someone who had been into it would know, and it wasn’t part of their job to go in there.

    Well, whoop-de-doo.

    You may have proved he’d been in that room. You haven’t thereby proved anything happened in that room.

    As said above it’s a “he said/he said” case. No fingerprints, no dna, no stains on a blue dress, no telephone intercepts, emails, no pretext calls, surveillance camera footage – nothing but one man’s mouth and – as I’ve noted above myself – the convicting jury didn’t even hear that man speak for themselves. They got it all pre-recorded from the first trial.

    If this is how the justice system works now, no one is safe.

    But I’d say the left doesn’t even care what happened. They’re whooping it up in the twitter sewer right now for all they’re worth – as though they’d actually proved something. They got one of their enemies and that’s all they’re interested in.

  201. Oh come on

    That’s the thing. This was the major argument of the defense but they couldn’t produce any witnesses or something?

    They had a tonne of witnesses who testified regarding Pell’s normal habits and practices, and these would preclude him being where the accuser says he was. Read one relatively in depth report on the trial. Someone’s journal was used to narrow down the occasions when Pell could have been at the cathedral to two Sundays in 1996. It is not remotely surprising that a witness could not be found to testify that they saw Pell on the cathedral steps at that time on those two exact dates. Who would remember something like that?

  202. stackja

    vlad – Get Pell don’t care about anything but short term. Next target? More gullible jurors?

  203. stackja

    OCO – Don’t confuse Get Pell with facts.

  204. dover_beach

    Frank Brendan’s article in a very understated manner suggests the second trial was an injustice to Pell and the verdict a travesty. He noted for instance that it was virtually impossible for Pell to part his vestments to expose his genitals, highly unusual for an Archbishop to abandon the procession early and without cause at the end of a Mass, to engage in the manner alleged in the sacristy with the door open in full view of those in the cathedral at the end of a solemn Mass without being noticed, and so on.

  205. 1735099

    It’s quite likely that Pell may now face Canon law. How to deal with this situation would right about now be concentrating the minds of senior Vatican insiders.

  206. dover_beach

    Addendum: Roger is right. This entire circus reeks of a Dreyfus-like incident.

  207. Sinclair Davidson

    Genuine question – can someone sue for defamation if initially convicted but the conviction is later overturned?

    I would be surprised – after all people should be able to rely on a jury being correct.

    Having said that if Pell is acquitted on appeal there does need to be serious inquiry into the Victorian criminal justice system. Right now it looks like Victoria cannot provide its citizens with a fair trial.

  208. 1735099

    Frank Brendan’s article

    It’s Brennan…..

  209. Sinclair Davidson

    Even comrade Brennan thinks he is not guilty.

  210. Nick

    Even comrade Brennan thinks he is not guilty.

    This in itself is making a few people think

  211. 1735099

    “Comrade Brennan”
    He’s a Jesuit, Sinc, like the current Pope.
    And like the current pope, not a communist.

  212. stackja

    Usual suspects here now.

  213. Oh come on

    Great, numbers is here being a pedantic dickhead.

  214. vlad

    I’ve just watched Louise Milligan on the 7.30 talking about the “unbelievable ordeal” she went through – you read that correctly – in having to be questioned in the trial.

    My feeling about this case is the fact that he didn’t do it is less important – ! – than the prosecution’s failure to prove he did it. When Leigh Sales asked Louise Milligan why everyone has to believe the complainant her answer is that when you meet him and talk to him and listen to him, he’s sooooooooooooo believable.

    So what. That girl who talked to camera about the “fat w-g” and the “skinny w-g” – the tchk-tchk-boom girl, remember her? – was really believable too. And she was lying.

    People lie, people are insane, people remember things that never happened, and people tell the truth. But you can’t just say, oh, well, he sounded really believable even though there’s no supporting evidence, so there’s no reasonable doubt that it happened. That’s nonsense.

  215. Cassie of Sydney

    I see the smelly one has arrived to add his puerile comments.

  216. Elle

    Speaking of defamation.
    Sinc, I’d be more concerned with Lysander’s slanderous comments at 3:11pm about David Marr.
    Not at all a fan of Marr.
    Being a fan of your blog though, it is a worry contributors are allowed to post such slanderous and offensive comments.

  217. C.L.

    I saw a snippet of gay ‘marriage’ advocate and ‘devout’ Catholic Greg Sheridan on The Drum. He was solemnly intoning that this was demoralising to Catholics; he said it more than once.

    I’m not demoralised, Greg, you pansy. I’m more ready than ever to go the knuckle.
    Viva Cristo!

  218. hzhousewife

    Sinclair Davidson
    #2944502, posted on February 26, 2019 at 8:26 pm
    Genuine question – can someone sue for defamation if initially convicted but the conviction is later overturned?

    I would be surprised – after all people should be able to rely on a jury being correct.

    Having said that if Pell is acquitted on appeal there does need to be serious inquiry into the Victorian criminal justice system. Right now it looks like Victoria cannot provide its citizens with a fair trial.

    Right now it looks like Victoria cannot priovide its citizens with a fair trial.

    I have been thinking this for quite some time – just look at the Lawyer X thing also happening.
    Do the legal profession care a jot or tittle? Will none of them speak up over travesties of justice – of course they will for money, but will they for free to save our society?

  219. Sinclair Davidson

    Sorry numbers. The Pope is a commie.

  220. Oh come on

    It’s the inversion of the presumption of innocence that is most appalling. It seems clear to me that Pell had to prove his innocence beyond reasonable doubt – no, beyond any doubt! Unsurprisingly, he wasn’t able to do that, and so he’s guilty. A dark, dark day for the rule of law in this country.

  221. calli

    Why, Elle?

    Lysander was quoting Marr. And he stated the obvious – Marr is not objective.

  222. Elle

    Calli, why is Marr not objective?

  223. 1735099

    Sorry Sinc.
    Recall the old question?
    Is the Pope a Catholic?
    Note “Catholic” – not “Communist”.

  224. Nick

    Calli, why is Marr not objective?

    I was once at a debate where I heard him state inter alia that there is nothing better than anal sex.

  225. Cassie of Sydney

    “1735099
    #2944529, posted on February 26, 2019 at 8:50 pm”

    Bugger off you tedious bore….in fact Sinc should smote you for the unforgivable crime of being a bore.

  226. Leigh Lowe

    Genuine question – can someone sue for defamation if initially convicted but the conviction is later overturned?

    I would be surprised – after all people should be able to rely on a jury being correct.

    Disclaimer… I am not a lawyer.
    As long as the reporting is factual and relates to the verdict. For example, to describe Pell as a “convicted sex offender” would be safe from a defamation point of view, I think. However, to repeat phrases now (after these trials have been completed) which were often repeated when charges were laid “multiple offences with multiple victims over many years” would definitely be actionable.
    However …. why would he take it on.
    Let’s assume he draws Judge Mordy. The erstwhile censorious Mordy may have his Road to Damascus moment and suddenly discover a broadened appreciation of press freedoms which he didn’t have when Bolta was before him.
    “Fair media commentary. Case dismissed. Costs awarded against Mr Pell”.

  227. Elle

    Lysander stated Marr is on the drum talking about “having your dick sucked by a child”
    Then he stated that Marr is hardly an objective person on this matter.
    Really?

  228. max

    I keep hearing calls for leadership from the Bishops. What that really means is the opposite. The people making those calls want the Catholic church to lie down and allow itself to be trampled over and over until it is completely broken and silent on the issues of the day. What is wanted is a religious jellyfish. All victims must be believed without question. All those steeples, those gothic cathedrals, those historic buildings must be levelled and the ground sold off and money handed over to keep the alleged victims in drugs, alcohol and online porn for the rest of their days on earth.
    Archbishop Coleridge thinks this is the sort of leadership needed. Talk softly and humbly and grovel. I hate this. We need a church leader who gives it back to the media and calls out especially the ABC. We need someone to make the point loudly that sexual abuse is not a peculiarly Catholic problem as the ABC would have it. We are too polite to talk about Islam. The material in this book, published in 2011, Catholic Priests Falsely Accused: The Facts, The Fraud, The Stories needs wider circulation. We need a leader to point out the dubious role of Vicpol, to tell Catholics to vote against Labor, to boycott the ABC and The Age.
    There are lots of points to be made. It’s homosexuals,not p#@$s. Most of the offences happened in previous decades. There has been no acknowledgement of reforms already made.
    What this is really is an ecclesiastical attempted coup. Overthrow the hierarchy and install leaders who will allow women priests, abolish celibacy, and promote every lefty cause going including climate change and refugees.

  229. Infidel Tiger

    Marr is a militant homosexualist and an anti-Catholic bigot, Elle.

    I know you get all wet for homos, but please.

  230. Elle

    I was once at a debate where I heard him state inter alia that there is nothing better than anal sex.

    An adult gay man said that? What a surprise! Nought wrong with that.
    We’re talking about men having sex with underage children.

  231. Nick

    We’re talking about men having sex with underage children.

    No. You asked this:

    Calli, why is Marr not objective?

  232. 1735099

    The Catholic Church is not the Catholic clergy.
    The Catholic Church is, and always has been, the Catholic people.

  233. Infidel Tiger

    Elle is frothing with delight at Pell’s conviction but daren’t show us her true colours.

    Pell’s problems all started when he went after the homos. What a terrible irony that the awful crimes committed by homos have caused all this.

  234. feelthebern

    Bolta had that defamation lawyer on with crazy hair.
    He said that the judge was going to continue the suppression order but Pell’s lawyer withdrew their request.
    The judge had no option but to get rid of the suppression order.
    If that is true, it shows the selfishness of Pell knows no bounds.
    He could have appealed & had the suppression order in place for the duration.
    But instead, he went the martyr route.

  235. C.L.

    The Catholic Church is not the Catholic clergy.
    The Catholic Church is, and always has been, the Catholic people.

    Correct.

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