Wednesday Forum: February 27, 2019

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  1. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Goeiemore vir alamal op die Kat.

  2. stackja

    From old thread:

    Cassie of Sydney
    #2944871, posted on February 27, 2019 at 10:01 am
    Oliver Hardy

    The Fighting Kentuckian
    From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    The Fighting Kentuckian is a 1949 American Western film (with comic overtones) directed by George Waggner starring John Wayne, Vera Ralston, Philip Dorn, Oliver Hardy, Marie Windsor, John Howard, Hugo Haas, Grant Withers and Odette Myrtil.

  3. Roger

    Did Leigh Sales refer last night to Cardinal Pell as a paedophile who abused “choir boys”, plural?

    That has, in fact, not been proven.

    His conviction, which will be the subject of an appeal quite likely to be upheld, relates to a single choir boy.

    It is high time that Sales, Mulligan and their ilk were held to account.

  4. Mick Gold Coast QLD

    I be eighfff!

  5. Roger

    Correction, Milligan.

    The original will come out of the spaminator at some stage.

  6. stackja

    From old thread:

    BrettW
    #2944868, posted on February 27, 2019 at 9:55 am
    Today is the day Catholics need to decide where they stand. When the conversation turns to Pell do they keep quiet, condemn him or as I will be doing point out the many many issues with the evidence of the case and the legal process and previous jury vote etc.

    I am not a Catholic .

    Unfortunately any public figure questioning the evidence is going to be accused of condoning a sex offender.

    I started yesterday, will continue today. Maybe like a voice crying in the wilderness. But we can all try.

  7. Bruce of Newcastle

    The potential to gene edit and then use babies as spare parts to keep the beautiful people alive is just there, on the cusp of achievement, if only they can get us to give up our “silly superstitions” and overcome our primitive disgust reactions to perfectly sensible Moloch worship.

    If bloodless bodies start turning up on the back streets of Mexico City you’ll know why.

    Don’t Buy Young People’s Blood to Stop Aging, FDA Warns (19 Feb)

    The agency issued a safety alert on Tuesday about the infusion of plasma from young donors for the prevention of conditions such as aging or memory loss, or for the treatment of such conditions as dementia, Parkinson’s disease, multiple sclerosis, Alzheimer’s disease, heart disease or post‐traumatic stress disorder.

    “There is no proven clinical benefit of infusion of plasma from young donors to cure, mitigate, treat or prevent these conditions, and there are risks associated with the use of any plasma product,” the FDA said in a statement from Commissioner Scott Gottlieb and Peter Marks, head of the agency’s biologics center.

    I will not be surprised when a plague of HIV suddenly strikes down older beautiful people.

  8. Des Deskperson

    This mornings Oz Cut and Paste has Emma Alberici tweeting – about Pell – In Italian.

    Why she is doing this – tweeting in Italian – and who she is trying to impress beats me. Is it some sort of back to her roots mid life crisis, or has ABC management decided she’d be much more use to them as the Italian face of the ABC? Maybe she will soon start talking English with a sexy Sophia Loren Italian accent.

    Her Pell tweet, BTW, seemed, by my limited Italian, to be straight reportage. Maybe Señora Moonlight can tell us, if she has a copy, whether it has any anti-Catholic nuance. ,

  9. thefrollickingmole

    Too good for the dead thread..

    The potential to gene edit and then use babies as spare parts to keep the beautiful people alive is just there, on the cusp of achievement, if only they can get us to give up our “silly superstitions” and overcome our primitive disgust reactions to perfectly sensible Moloch worship.

    The day after head/brain transplants between bodies becomes viable there will be “Clone your young self” shops popping up all over Asia.

    We may live long enough to see a 90 year old Madonna head on a 19 year old Madonna body gyrating round a pole again.

    Thats hell, I never realized just how life long “celebrities” are, the same tosspots when i was a teenager are still festering round the tracks, same goes for journoes and pollies.

  10. mh

    Trump – Kim summit ✌🏿 ☮️ 🌈 💕

  11. Top Ender

    I remember the Chamberlain case pretty well – was working for the ABC as a part-time researcher at the time and saw all of the information coming in.

    The pile-on was remarkable. “Everyone” thought she was guilty. And so she was sent off to jail; her husband was sentenced as well, and their lives were destroyed.

    And then over time a few brave people came out questioning the evidence, and showing how flawed it was.

    After a while the tide of public opinion began to turn, and eventually “everyone” was against the Chamberlain verdict. Nowadays it’s rare to find people who will admit to a) they were convinced she was guilty, and b) they are still convinced.

    Watch this space, and see what Australia thinks of poor Pell in 10 years.

  12. Cassie of Sydney

    “stackja
    #2944886, posted on February 27, 2019 at 10:12 am
    From old thread:

    BrettW
    #2944868, posted on February 27, 2019 at 9:55 am
    Today is the day Catholics need to decide where they stand. When the conversation turns to Pell do they keep quiet, condemn him or as I will be doing point out the many many issues with the evidence of the case and the legal process and previous jury vote etc.

    I am not a Catholic .

    Unfortunately any public figure questioning the evidence is going to be accused of condoning a sex offender.

    I started yesterday, will continue today. Maybe like a voice crying in the wilderness. But we can all try.”

    Me too…..I am J*wish. I will NOT keep quiet about this absolute travesty.

  13. Old School Conservative

    max
    #2944855, posted on February 27, 2019 at 9:27 am
    … Whenever the Cardinal does his perp walk outside court there is a middle-aged man who keeps screaming ‘Go to Hell, Pell’ etc. He is allowed to approach within a couple of meters. He’s deranged.

    I think that’s the bloke Ben Fordham was going to have on 2GB yesterday.
    If so, Ben’s excitement to be part of the GetPell bandwagon does him no good at all.

  14. Old School Conservative

    I started yesterday, will continue today.

    Ditto.

  15. Mother Lode

    Cassie of Sydney
    #2944871, posted on February 27, 2019 at 10:01 am

    Thanks, Cassie.

  16. Atoms for Peace

    Derangement syndrome is loose in the land yet again. The Donald Sutherland screech from the pod people is the background tune to the madness. Pod people or Woke NPCs..same thing really

  17. MACK

    In union-controlled Victoria, the boys are after lots of overtime so “The Cranbourne, Pakenham, Frankston, Sandringham, Glen Waverley, Mernda, Gippsland and Ballarat, Geelong-Warrnambool lines will shut between April 1 to 23.” https://au.news.yahoo.com/vic-tunnel-project-cause-commuter-pain-020131556–spt.html
    Any engineer with knowledge of plant maintenance in the private industry will confirm that this degree of disruption is completely unnecessary. So can some economist give us an estimate of the cost of this disruption?

  18. stackja

    Top Ender
    #2944893, posted on February 27, 2019 at 10:14 am

    I was skeptical from day one. My late mum got very angry about the reporting of the whole thing and didn’t believe any of it.

  19. bespoke

    Arky
    #2944864, posted on February 27, 2019 at 9:48 am
    Now be honest Beaugan.
    Stop being easive.
    Answer the question. Do this thought experiment:
    Imagine a woman eating a placenta. Imsgine a woman eating an early second trimester baby.
    Close your eyes and imagine it in exact, step- wise detail.
    Now tell us which of the menu item causes you most disgust.

    Now reflect and give an honest reason for your answer to part one.

    Both discussing but the comparison isn’t fare. Early Gestational is better.

  20. Roger

    Unfortunately any public figure questioning the evidence is going to be accused of condoning a sex offender.

    But questioning the evidence has nothing to do with condoning sexual abuse.

    And anyone who did so would will be vindicated when Pell’s appeal is upheld.

    I’ve never had much time for Frank Brennan but to his credit he has publicly questioned the evidence.

    Btw, did anyone notice Sales refer to Pell abusing “choir boys”, plural?

    One would like to see her subject to a defamation suit after the appeal.

  21. Snoopy

    TheirABC on Pell.

    He was the man who deemed homosexual activity to be a “much greater health hazard than smoking”

    Justice has been served.

  22. stackja

    Ashton circus continues.

    Shannon Deery, Aleks Devic, Tamsin Rose, Herald Sun
    18 minutes ago
    Subscriber only

    Outside court, Pell’s lawyer, Paul Galbally, addressed the crowd, saying his client has lodged an appeal against the conviction.

    “The Cardinal doesn’t have any further that he wishes to say,” he said.

    “However I would like to add: although the Cardinal originally faced allegations from a number of complainants, all of those complaints and allegations — save for the matters that are subject to appeal — have all been either withdrawn or discontinued.”

    Pell is listed to apply for bail in the Court of Appeal on Wednesday at 2.30pm.

  23. Baldrick

    The Pell perp-walk infront of a baying media and outrage frenzy activists is a sight to behold.

  24. JC

    Any engineer with knowledge of plant maintenance in the private industry will confirm that this degree of disruption is completely unnecessary. So can some economist give us an estimate of the cost of this disruption?

    About 160 bucks an hour for working outside a regular timetable.

  25. Old School Conservative

    Another disgusting over-reaction to the Pell decision has been the publishing of the intimate detail of his “crimes”.
    Every Australian with access to the media now knows about the head-shoving, crotch grabbing, wall slamming oral penetrating Catholic priest.
    Now if the actions of a ABC TV producer who was convicted of historic child sexual assault had attracted the same detailed coverage………..

  26. stackja

    George Pell guilty verdict: The victim’s story, in his own words
    Shannon Deery, Herald Sun
    February 27, 2019 6:30am
    Subscriber only

    The victim spent almost three days giving evidence and being cross-examined over his allegations.

    But his entire testimony was heard in a closed court after an application by prosecutors to prevent any distress or embarrassment. The order also applied in the retrial.

    Requests to view that recording or read a transcript of his evidence were denied.

  27. struth

    I still believe that Chamberlain went to jail so as to keep the truth about camp dogs from getting out there.

    They were the fearless scavengers and they were right there, on that side of the rock in those days and were a real problem.
    Actual dingos never came in too close on that side of the rock, although it wasn’t uncommon to see them at the base of the climb etc, on the other side, due to starving, mangy, ill treated camp dogs roaming in packs.

  28. Tom

    Top Ender on the old fred:

    After a while the tide of public opinion [on the Chamberlain case] began to turn, and eventually “everyone” was against the Chamberlain verdict. Nowadays it’s rare to find people who will admit to a) they were convinced she was guilty, and b) they are still convinced.

    Watch this space, and see what Australia thinks of poor Pell in 10 years.

    In the meantime, P*** will have died a convicted criminal in one of the greatest miscarriages of justice in Australian criminal history — mob rule directed by the ABC, which will never face censure or accountability for what it has done.

  29. stackja

    Baldrick
    #2944908, posted on February 27, 2019 at 10:27 am
    The Pell perp-walk infront of a baying media and outrage frenzy activists is a sight to behold.

    George Pell arrives at the County Court this morning. Picture: Alex Coppel

    A throng of media and protestors surround Pell this morning. Picture: Alex Coppel

  30. JC

    This mornings Oz Cut and Paste has Emma Alberici tweeting – about Pell – In Italian.

    What are you gaining by reading her tweets?What is on hand on that page that could add to human knowledge.

    This is the imbecile who confuses profit with revenue.

  31. Bruce of Newcastle

    After a while the tide of public opinion began to turn, and eventually “everyone” was against the Chamberlain verdict.

    The reverse is true too. Via Drudge:

    Oh, NOW Robin Roberts Thinks There Were ‘a Lot of Red Flags’ in Smollett Case? (25 Feb)

    Suddenly, just like that, lefties always had suspicions that Smurf’s story wasn’t quite kosher. Hilarious.

  32. Arky

    Both disgusting but the comparison isn’t fair. Early Gestational is better.

    ..
    Why?
    I was being fair going early second and not the full term ones they are leaving to die in closets.
    But if it helps you, here is a ten week one.
    Well within first trimester. Go even earlier if you like. I don’t think it improves the concept much.

  33. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/feb/26/dutch-customs-seize-90000-bottles-of-vodka-believed-to-be-for-kim-jong-un

    90,000 bottles of grog should have made for a few good late nights, involving drink, low companions, and dirty stories.

  34. Old School Conservative

    Baldrick
    #2944908, posted on February 27, 2019 at 10:27 am
    The Pell perp-walk

    However, it does provide evidence that Pell was/is the victim of a society-wide distaste for all child abuse.
    For example:
    In chaotic scenes, protesters and sexual abuse survivors hurled abuse at the disgraced cardinal
    He had nothing directly to do with any of the sexual abuse survivors who hurled abuse – he is their sacrificial goat.
    And “I just think Pell, your day has arrived.” she said. ”Justice has been done for us today.”

    Another woman said she felt vindicated.

    “It’s just a relief they believe us…. we weren’t bad children, we were telling the truth.”
    So because she wasn’t believed by her parents/police/church administrators, SOMEONE had to cop the full force of her anger. Pell.

  35. Geriatric Mayfly

    Now if the actions of a ABC TV producer who was convicted of historic child sexual assault had attracted the same detailed coverage………..

    Is it p-e-d-o Stevens to whom you allude? ABC goes totally mum on this one, he is after all one of their own. To a lesser degree, so was Roebourne, smacker of black bottoms, and Muirhead downloader of pretty kiddies.

  36. stackja

    Old School Conservative
    #2944919, posted on February 27, 2019 at 10:36 am

    And meanwhile in remote communities?

  37. Old School Conservative

    Mayfly, yes.
    From Gerard Henderson:
    In Australia, however, the ABC refuses to report that a former ABC TV producer Jon Stephens has been convicted of historic child sexual assault while on an ABC assignment. His victim was a 14-year-old male child actor (a casual ABC employee). See MWD passim.
    MWD Issue 373 11th August 2017

  38. thefrollickingmole

    Most telling is the inference that the previous trial may have reached the hung jury because of the demeanor of the accuser.
    They instead went to reading out sections of his testimony in the second trial rather than have him take the stand again.

    Seems a little unfair to me that the jury isnt exposed to the person making the complaint.

  39. Arky

    The grotesque spectacle of British parlimentarians maneuveuring to cooperate to frustrate Brexit while trying to leave the other party with the blame and themselves a figleaf is really disgusting.

  40. Roger

    So because she wasn’t believed by her parents/police/church administrators, SOMEONE had to cop the full force of her anger. Pell.

    And she could be empanelled on a jury next week.

  41. stackja

    Stalinist airbrush:

    Shannon Deery, Aleks Devic, Tamsin Rose, Herald Sun
    25 minutes ago
    Subscriber only

    FRESH BLOWS AS SCHOOL, AFL CLUB CUT TIES

    Pell’s name is already being struck from honour boards across the state.

    Hours after the full details of his child sex convictions were revealed on Tuesday his former college, St Patrick’s in Ballarat, issued a statement saying they would wipe his name from the school.

    It will see his name removed a building in his honour and a college honour board.

    His status as a Legend of the school will also be revoked.

    Cardinal George Pell attended the college between 1949 to 1959.

    The honours were bestowed upon him in recognition of his years of service to the Catholic Church.

    Headmaster John Crowley said that he acknowledged Cardinal Pell may appeal the verdict, but as it currently stands, the college must respond to the jury’s findings.

    He said the college reserved he right to revisit this decision.

    “The jury’s verdict demonstrates that Cardinal Pell’s behaviours have not met the standards we expect of those we honour as role models for the young men we educate,” Mr Crowley said.

    “The college aims at every opportunity to fulfil our mission of raising fine boys to the status of great men.

    “The college also remains ever mindful of the victims and survivors who require our ongoing care, solidarity and support.”

    The building which was formerly known as the Pell Wing, will be renamed the Waterford Wing, recognising the home of the Blessed Edmund Rice.

    Pell was also on Tuesday afternoon dumped as a vice patron of the Richmond Football Club.

    “While acknowledging his right to appeal, the Club has formed a view that his association is no longer tenable or appropriate,” the club said in a statement.

  42. JC

    Look who made it up the totem pole.

    KPMG senior partner Paul Howes has declared “both sides of politics have failed” to legislate the purpose of superannuation, which he says has prevented the industry from creating a more sustainable retirement system.

    Mr Howes warned that failing to introduce an objective for superannuation had created a vacuum for toxic debates such as the dispute over Labor’s plan to scrap franking credit refunds.

  43. stackja

    thefrollickingmole
    #2944924, posted on February 27, 2019 at 10:42 am
    Most telling is the inference that the previous trial may have reached the hung jury because of the demeanor of the accuser.
    They instead went to reading out sections of his testimony in the second trial rather than have him take the stand again.

    Seems a little unfair to me that the jury isnt exposed to the person making the complaint.

    Get Pell was never meant to be fair.

  44. struth

    Chamberlain was also seen by the media as a weird Christian.
    I don’t think it was as bad as it’s godless attacks these days that can send a catholic Bishop to jail on the basis that the ABC and one bitter old Victorian copper hated his guts for standing against their godless communist agenda, and a witness/complainant that has financial gain to be made by lying……………(this is Australia 2019, where on the basis of a no evidence claim you can send a catholic to prison, but they don’t see African crime gangs and Mussie terrorists are all lone wolves), but it would have had some resinance with the media who were all still quite left wing even back then, just had to hide it more.

  45. Des Deskperson

    ‘What are you gaining by reading her tweets?What is on hand on that page that could add to human knowledge.’

    This tweet was of interest only in so far as her risible late middle age (she’s 48) Italian, err, renaissance is clearly meant to distract us from her previous blunders.

    As the complaints about her alleged plagiarism – albeit in fluent Italian – in a recent ABC Foreign Correspondent report on Sardinia would seem to indicate, it isn’t quite working out.

  46. stackja

    Mark Gibson, SC hoping he is not another Ian Barker Q.C.?

  47. Mother Lode

    This is the imbecile who confuses profit with revenue.

    Her Italian probably reads like the British spy posing as a Police Officer in that series ‘Allo Allo’.

    She will be saying:

    “I was tupping on my liptop when I hard of Carnival Pill. I was moist infested.”

  48. struth

    Just like the corrupt “survey” of Australians on same sex marriage, this Pell verdict more than anything else will send the godless, those who’s religion is bureaucracy and totalitarian government, into now pushing hard to wipe their hated Christians into the arena with the lions.
    Of course the Christians will all make the sign of the cross and get eaten alive.

    Christianity, will fight outside godless hordes but it doesn’t fight those it lives with.

    Very big mistake.
    There are more than one way to skin a horse.
    However with pope Commussie the first in charge, don’t look for a voice of reason in the wilderness.

  49. struth

    “I was tupping on my liptop when I hard of Carnival Pill. I was moist infested.”

    That’s straight kiwi-ish, I would have thought?

  50. Up The Workers!

    For those who are interested, there is an excellent article over on ‘Quadrant Online’ at http://www.quadrant.org.au by Peter Wales, entitled: “Catholics, Sex and Cardinal Pell.”.

    Well worth a read.

  51. stackja

    Social media’s perilous obsession with Sydney’s Figure 8 Pools
    The Daily Telegraph
    February 27, 2019 9:34am
    Subscriber only

    Authorities have scaled back their search for a missing Nepalese student who was swept off rocks near Sydney’s infamous Figure 8 Pools.

    The 22-year-old disappeared into the water in the Royal National Park, south of Sydney, on Monday afternoon and hasn’t been seen since.

    NSW Police resumed their search for the young man on Wednesday morning, but without the assistance of divers or helicopters.

    Local officers and the Marine Command will continue to comb the area by foot and boat.

    One of the man’s friends was also swept into the water but managed to climb to safety on a rock shelf. He was treated for minor lacerations at the scene. Three others with the pair escaped uninjured.

    In 2016, emergency services were called to the coastal spot after 150 people standing on the rocks were hit by powerful waves, knocking some over the edge of the ledge.

    The once quiet site gained enormous popularity after visitors began posting photos of its naturally formed pools on social media.

    Like fellow Royal National Park attraction Wedding Cake Rock, Figure 8 Pools has become a fashionable but risky spot to visit and share photos of.

    Social media brings a whole new demographic to the Royal National Park with young people and international visitors, but they need to understand the safety concerns for the site, the NPWS said.

    It posted this advice for sightseers.

    ■Access to Figure 8 Pools is only possible at low tide. The rockpools and the last kilometre leading to them are under water at high tide.

    ■Even at low tide, waves can crash across the pools. Check the tide height and wave size before making your way to the rockpools.

  52. Snoopy

    Toxic (2017) – Potentially deadly.

    Toxic (2019) – Divissive. Irritating to ‘progressives’.

  53. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
    #2944288, posted on February 26, 2019 at 4:57 pm
    I don’t think Peterson ever said you cant make a personal judgement just clean your room first before you go out to change the world. I think it cant be taken to literally as no ones room is spotless.

    You have simply misread what I said. I’ve never said Peterson instructs people to never make a personal judgement. That is clearly not what he believes. I’ve merely agreed with Overburdened when he said that one should not rush to personal judgement. Quite a different thing.

    But perhaps you don’t know that as you are a bit of a bolter to judgement, seems to me. And ‘clean your room’ clearly has metaphorical elements; although if you had my teenagers and some of my other leftist welfare dependent relatives you would see it as also very useful practical advice. 🙂

  54. stackja

    struth
    #2944935, posted on February 27, 2019 at 11:03 am

    ABS used AEC records. Question about approximate 200,000 being wrong. SSM wasn’t really approved?

  55. C.L.

    “The college aims at every opportunity to fulfil our mission of raising fine boys to the status of great men.”

    Great men do not fall for lies and desert their fellows in their hour of crisis. The headmaster is a coward and the lesson he’s imparting to his charges is that they too ought to surrender to the mob if they know what’s good for them.

  56. stackja

    Meanwhile in Melbourne:

    Bega Cheese closes Coburg factory, redundancies to follow
    Alex Druce, AAP, Herald Sun
    15 minutes ago

    Bega Cheese is closing its cheddar and mozzarella cheese manufacturing facility in Coburg with immediate effect, with redundancies to follow.

    The dairy and spreads manufacturer did not say how many jobs at the Melbourne facility could go.

    It said, while some staff will be offered employment at other Bega sites, there would be redundancies.

  57. stackja

    Meanwhile $$$:

    Sex abuse redress scheme ‘on hold’ as George Pell found guilty
    Claire Bickers, News Corp Australia Network
    February 26, 2019 3:35pm
    Subscriber only

    Hundreds of victims of child sex abuse are “on hold” waiting for institutions to sign up to a national redress scheme before they can receive compensation.

    Just 51 survivors have received compensation since the scheme opened in July 2018 out of a total of 2728 people to sign up.

    That’s just 2 per cent of the 60,000 survivors that the royal commission estimated may apply for compensation.

    They have received a total of $4 million so far with the average payment about $79,035 and some receiving the maximum payment of $150,000.

  58. stackja

    Never SHY:

    Senator wants George Pell’s Order of Australia revoked as Vatican bans contact with minors
    Ellen Whinnett, Mitchell Van Homrigh and Claire Bickers, News Corp Australia Network
    17 minutes ago
    Subscriber only

    As George Pell awaits his fate after being found guilty of abusing two choirboys, Australian senators have called for his Order of Australia honours to be revoked.

    Controversial Greens senator Sarah Hanson-Young has demanded Governor-General Peter Cosgrove step in and strip Pell of the prestigious honour.

  59. Stimpson J. Cat

    Today is the day Catholics need to decide where they stand.

    Actually, Catholics should have thought about where they stand years ago.
    George P$ll chose to stand next to Ridsdale.
    And it cost him everything.

  60. Infidel Tiger

    The imminent hot war/Nuclear war between Pakistan (China) vs India (Russia) sure is going to add some spice to this year’s Cricket World Cup.

    Meanwhile the failed state of Australia is gleefully jailing Christians for having improperly conservative views.

  61. Mother Lode

    SHY really is a vile woman.

  62. Mother Lode

    Controversial Greens senator Sarah Hanson-Young has demanded Governor-General

    HOw nizarre!

    Someone on the left being described as ‘controversial’.

    The MSM usually doesn’t because they are happy to let progressives to pretend their most fevered socialist fantasies as mainstream thinking.

  63. John

    I would be very surprised if any appeal were successful because a win for Cardinal Pell would throw a sharp focus on the legal fraternity in Victoria and no judge will allow that to happen. For that reason I think they will also deny leave for this matter to get to the High Court of Australia where, so far, it could be reviewed objectively outside the Victorian legal club. Also Richter’s grounds of appeal don’t sound very convincing to me. From media comments it looks like Cardinal Pell lost this case because of Richter’s tactical error in not letting Cardinal Pell face cross examination and the Judge refusing the lone witness to take the stand instead of giving electronic statements. Only God knows whether or not he’s really guilty. In my mind pedophiles usually have a history of habitually re-offending and this doesn’t seem to be the case here. Also significant is that they are cunning and I would have thought an open sacristy in a crowded church would be the last place to commit such atrocities. This and for other reasons which pass the “reasonable doubt” case, I think a gross miscarriage of justice has been perpetrated which will be covered up obstinately by the Victorian legal mafia.

  64. Bruce of Newcastle

    The imminent hot war/Nuclear war between Pakistan (China) vs India (Russia) sure is going to add some spice to this year’s Cricket World Cup.

    Will Imran Khan open the bowling?

  65. Infidel Tiger

    Prosecutor Mark Gibson has told George Pell’s pre-sentencing hearing that given the cardinal’s advanced age, the historical nature of the charges and lack of subsequent offending, his chances of reoffending were minimal.

    Even the Prosecutor knows the charges are complete bullshit.

    He is doing all he can to help minimise the damage.

  66. bespoke

    Arky
    #2944917, posted on February 27, 2019 at 10:36 am

    Well within first trimester. Go even earlier if you like. I don’t think it improves the concept much.

    Neither do I.

  67. Ivan Denisovich

    The headmaster is a coward and the lesson he’s imparting to his charges is that they too ought to surrender to the mob if they know what’s good for them.

    Either that or he’s a P e l l hater who rushed to expunge any connection of the Cardinal to the college at the earliest opportunity.

  68. zyconoclast

    Do not waste fresh stuff from the OT

    WTF was that about, zyco?

    More anti white male propaganda as a 9 minute short shown in cinemas

  69. Ivan Denisovich

    expunge from the records evidence of the connection…………

  70. Dr Faustus

    Pumped hydro in Tas to get taxpayer funds

    “Battery of the Nation is a vision of that uses technology to harness Tasmania’s natural advantages to tackle the problems in our electricity market,” Mr Morrison said ahead of his visit.

    The three sites in northwestern Tasmania have a combined storage capacity of up to 40GWh, equivalent to more than 300 of the Tesla batteries installed in South Australia.

    Pumped hydro uses cheap electricity – usually at night – to pump water up a hill and into a dam, where it is stored. When energy demands start to peak during the day, the water can be released downhill through turbines to generate power.

    The geniuses behind this scheme have missed a couple of important points:

    1) Cheap offpeak electricity occurs when there is insufficient demand to attract high cost electricity generation into the market – the market price tends to the marginal cost of production of the cheapest generators in the fleet.

    2) Putting a large new load into the offpeak market – 40GWh stored hydro output will require ~50GWh to recharge overnight – will necessarily draw in higher-cost generation. Looking at the daily NEM load, it looks like 50GWh , drawing say 6,000MWh for 8 hours, would take the whole offpeak unused generation capacity.

    So the net outcome of the cunning plan is likely to be:

    – Offpeak pricing will tend to daytime shoulder pricing – so, no cheap electricity available to pump the water (or for anyone else using overnight power);
    – The capital cost of the ~$20 billion investment will need to be recovered at the current ~18%
    rentier rate – which will add $230/MWh to the price of the sent out power;
    – Average power price in the system will rise substantially.

    Australia cannot afford Morrison any more than vile Shorten.

  71. stackja

    I notice on-line video coverage of Pell arrival, young lady near Pell, almost knocked over by pressing ‘scum’.

  72. zyconoclast

    Title: The Heritability of Self-Control: a Meta-Analysis

    Highlights
    The present meta-analysis synthesized 31 twin studies
    Genes significantly contribute to differences in self-control: the overall heritability is 60%
    The heritability is the same for boys and girls, and across age
    The heritability is different across informants
    Considering genetic influences is key when investigating self-control

  73. stackja

    Stimpson J. Cat
    #2944951, posted on February 27, 2019 at 11:20 am

    Ever the ‘comedian’.

  74. stackja

    Some people can’t accept Cardinal George Pell is guilty of child sex offences
    Charis Chang, news.com.au
    February 26, 2019 5:36pm

    News of Cardinal George Pell’s guilty verdict for child sex offences is being greeted with disbelief by shocked Catholics around the world.

    Pell is the most senior Catholic cleric in the world to be found guilty of these offences and apparently, some just can’t believe it’s true.

    Ed Pentin, the Rome correspondent for the oldest national Catholic newspaper in the United States, the National Catholic Register, has pointed to conspiracy theories circulating in the Vatican that Pell was set up.

    “Most people here don’t believe the verdict,” Pentin told the Nine newspapers. “Most here believe Pell is innocent, certainly those who worked with him.”

    Pentin said there was scepticism about the guilty verdict because Pell was investigating Vatican corruption and there was suspicion about the timing of the charges.

    Suppression orders were lifted in Australia today that has allowed the verdict to be reported, although the judgement was handed down in December and reported by some international news outlets.

    In an article for the Register, Pentin notes that after news broke in December about the verdict, a source told him, “People in court saw how flimsy the evidence was.

    “This is an act of outrageous malice by a prejudiced jury. The media convicted him long ago in the court of public opinion and he did not receive a fair trial.”

  75. bespoke

    Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
    #2944943, posted on February 27, 2019 at 11:12 am
    You have simply misread what I said. I’ve never said Peterson instructs people to never make a personal judgement. That is clearly not what he believes. I’ve merely agreed with Overburdened when he said that one should not rush to personal judgement. Quite a different thing.

    Maybe but I don’t think so.

    But perhaps you don’t know that as you are a bit of a bolter to judgement, seems to me.

    Na, I try to form judgment over time but not always.

    And ‘clean your room’ clearly has metaphorical elements;

    That’s what I said.

    although if you had my teenagers and some of my other leftist welfare dependent relatives you would see it as also very useful practical advice. 🙂

    Lizzie, your circumstances aren’t unique that’s why I can identify with some of your problems.

  76. Bruce in WA

    Most telling is the inference that the previous trial may have reached the hung jury because of the demeanor of the accuser.
    They instead went to reading out sections of his testimony in the second trial rather than have him take the stand again.

    Seems a little unfair to me that the jury isnt exposed to the person making the complaint.

    I was on a jury in a similar situation. It was a re-trial and was for sex offences. The alleged offender was in court, but all “evidence” was presented to us by way of audio and video tapes, or reading of transcripts. Despite some obvious problems, as with P e l l — “He pulled my pantyhose and panties halfway down my thighs and then lay on top of me and raped me” (Really? Must have had one hell of an agile, and skinny, Wilson!) — there was still one woman who voted guilty because “I’ve just got a feeling about him”. Took us four hours before logic prevailed.

  77. Mark A

    stackja
    #2944967, posted on February 27, 2019 at 11:40 am

    Stimpson J. Cat
    #2944951, posted on February 27, 2019 at 11:20 am

    Ever the ‘comedian’.

    Yes, and less and less funny, if he ever was?

  78. Snoopy

    Pumped hydro uses cheap electricity – usually at night – to pump water up a hill and into a dam, where it is stored. When energy demands start to peak during the day,

    So pumped hydro draws electricity when solar and wind power are at a minimum to provide electricity when solar and wind power are at their best?

  79. zyconoclast

    This is bad

    On Saturday, Feb. 9, students began to circulate a photograph that depicted an unidentified male student with a rope draped across his back and shoulder, which many students interpreted to be a noose.

    As some interpreted the rope to be a symbol of historical racist violence, a Bias Incident Report (BIR) was subsequently filed. The official Bias Incident group concluded that the incident was a misunderstanding.

    “The student in question was impersonating a cowboy by wearing a Western-style shirt with part of an American flag on it and a lasso across his chest and shoulder,” said José Villalba, vice president of Diversity and Inclusion and chief diversity officer, in an email to the Old Gold & Black.

    This is good

    “A Night of a Thousand Petals: A Drag Show” was held in Benson University Center on Feb. 12 and was hosted by the Student Union, Spectrum and the university’s theater-service organization, the Anthony Aston Players. The show featured a handful of locally-based drag artists performing both individual and group dances and routines.

  80. zyconoclast

    Germany fails to deport nearly every second asylum seeker

    BERLIN (Reuters) – Germany failed to deport 27,000 rejected asylum seekers last year, nearly half of the total 57,000 cases, Interior Minister Horst Seehofer said on Sunday, adding that the government would step up efforts to get those migrants out of the country.

    Seehofer told Bild am Sonntag newspaper that the 27,000 rejected asylum seekers could not be deported because they had no travel documents or police could not find them. Some resisted deportation at the airport, he added.

  81. Stimpson J. Cat

    Ever the ‘comedian’.

    Am I wrong?
    I think not.
    Look at that jury vote again.

  82. cohenite

    40GWh stored hydro output will require ~50GWh to recharge overnight

    Closer to 60GWh; all batteries loose up to 40% of the stored energy. Spend $10 to get $6 back.

    Furthermore there is already a pumped hydro facility at Tumut 2 which has never been used.

    Everytime I think about this I want to smash turdball and scomo; and pyne just for luck.

  83. Stimpson J. Cat

    Yes, and less and less funny, if he ever was?

    No one is forcing you to laugh.
    Or read my posts.
    Or agree with me.
    It’s a choice.

  84. zyconoclast

    Sorry white men – you’ll need to lose out if we’re to reform our police force for the better

    Matthew Furlong has successfully appealed against the decision by Chester Police to positively discriminate against him. But to make the force representative of the diversity of British society, more white applicants such as Furlong will have to miss out

    For many black, Asian and ethnic minority (BAME) people, the police are the other. We make up 13 per cent of the UK population but just 6.6 per cent of officers.

    This may improve if so many of them were not criminals

    there were 38 arrests for every 1,000 Black people, and 12 arrests for every 1,000 White people

    there were 8 arrests for every 1,000 Black women, and 4 arrests for every 1,000 White women

  85. bespoke

    Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
    #2944943, posted on February 27, 2019 at 11:12 am
    But perhaps you don’t know that as you are a bit of a bolter to judgement, seems to me.

    Give me a specific example so I can see when I have?
    And show me who hasn’t thrown the fist stone?

  86. Dr Fred Lenin

    The whole Pell fiasco presents as a model of socialist”justice “ ,like Stalins Show Trials of the 1930s only thing missing was the abject confession beaten out of the accused with threats to his family . The elites havent got around to that ,YET! The fact the accuser spent hours giving testimony is suspicious in its self ,not exposing him to the jury was anothe Stalinist type trick ,as I read he didnt impress some jurors in the last trial ,they felt his story was suspect . Pell had already been tried and found guilty by the socialist media and the public fully indoctrinated in his guilt . How the hell do you find an imoartial jury in those conditions ? Any proper judge in a non jury trial would This is indicative of the future justice system have dismissed the charges as lacking in veracity and reasonable proof . The mental condition of the accuser is suspect to say the least . This may be indicative of the future justice system of the left ,the acvused is guilty the moment they are charged ,oerhaps the plea will be changed to ,”are you guilty or really really guilty , how do you plead ?

  87. Geriatric Mayfly

    there was still one woman who voted guilty because “I’ve just got a feeling about him”.

    Wimminly feelz. An obstacle like none other.

  88. zyconoclast

    From 2016

    COUNTING THE LGBT POPULATION: 6% OF EUROPEANS IDENTIFY AS LGBT

    We asked respondents the following two questions:

    1) “Do you identify as lesbian, gay, bis3xual, or transgender?” [Yes / No / Prefer not to say]

    2) “Which of the following options best describes your current s3xual orientation?” * [Only heteros3xual / Mostly heteros3xual, sometimes homos3xual / Equally heterosexual and homosexual / Mostly homos3xual, sometimes heteros3xual / Only homos3xual / As3xual / Prefer not to say]

    *(The categories are loosely based on the Kinsey scale, developed by Alfred Kinsey in the 1940s, that measures the spectrum of human sexuality.)

    A country comparison:

    The results show that 5.9% of Europeans identify as LGBT when asked directly, ranging from 7.4% in Germany to 1.5% in Hungary. However, when we give respondents the opportunity to select a s3xual orientation somewhere on the Kinsey scale, we found that the share of people who identify as not only heteros3xual is nearly twice as high (10%) as the percent who identify as LGBT from the yes/no question (5.9%).

  89. areff

    Morrison has announced he is considering stripping Pe ll of his order of Australia. He could have said, “I’ll await the result of the appeal before commenting” or, if there was a spine in there somewhere “I’d note the case of the former archbishop of Adelaide, who was acquitted on appeal, and urge one and all to let justice take its course.”

    But none of that.

    Worth remembering this prime ministerial moment come election day.

  90. zyconoclast

    Michael Cohen has been disbarred

    The decision, which follows his felony conviction for lying under oath, was announced in documents filed Tuesday by Manhattan’s Appellate Division, First Department and the Attorney Grievance Committee.

  91. stackja

    areff
    #2944988, posted on February 27, 2019 at 12:06 pm

    Yes! And NSW Glad Bag.

  92. Top Ender

    A large drone designed for electronic warfare, which could eventually carry bombs, will be publicly unveiled today after being secretly developed with the Royal Australian Air Force (RAAF).

    Key points:
    The drone is the first combat aircraft designed and developed in Australia in more than 50 years
    The cost of the project has not been revealed, but it is believed to be Boeing’s largest investment in drones outside the US
    Once fully developed, the drone could eventually be exported to other nations, sources said

    The unmanned system is roughly the size of a traditional jet fighter and was quietly developed in Brisbane by aerospace giant Boeing, in collaboration with the RAAF and the Defence Department.

    A prototype of the yet-to-be-named unmanned aerial vehicle (UAV) is expected to be unveiled this morning by Defence Minister Christopher Pyne at the Avalon aerospace trade show outside Melbourne.

    Needs a name. The Chrissie? Pyne-O-Dream?

    Link

  93. C.L.

    Sounds very much like “AA” is a weasel whose slimy demeanour sank the first trial – which is why the second trial was rigged to take his physical presence out of the equation. I have a real problem with adult witnesses being allowed to do this. It tells the jury that the court accepts the witness is damaged and vulnerable and unable to appear in the presence of the accused (who, ispo facto, must be guilty).

  94. Tom

    “This is an act of outrageous malice by a prejudiced jury. The media convicted him long ago in the court of public opinion and he did not receive a fair trial.”

    The ABC has been campaigning incessantly since the 1970s for the “rights” of homosexual p***philes, so they sent an activist to stitch up Pell, a man of God, to take the fall for the ABC’s beloved p***philes in the Catholic Church.

    Then, almost daily for about two years, the ABC poisoned the jury pool with stories about Pell’s “crimes”.

    Yet Pell was virtuallly alone in the church’s leadership in trying to rid the priesthood of p***philes, even though their transgressions occurred before he was in a position of authority.

    The ABC’s role in the Pell case is truly evil. But, thanks to the cowardice of the LNP and anyone else who gets in its way, the ABC is an out-of-control, unethical gotcha army going after the political enemies of its utopian homosexual state.

  95. Infidel Tiger

    Very convenient that one accuser is dead and the other so deranged by mental illness and drug abuse that he can’t be cross examined.

    The judge sounds like he is about to give life imprisonment.

  96. struth

    Australia cannot afford Morrison any more than vile Shorten.

    +100

  97. Infidel Tiger

    Was pleasing to hear John Howard has given a character reference.

  98. Gab

    When is Cdl Pell’s sentencing?

  99. Baldrick

    An interesting development:

    Nine News Australia ✔ @9NewsAUS
    #BREAKING: The Supreme Court of Victoria has now been advised that Cardinal George Pell has withdrawn his bail application

  100. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    As the Pell case is now under appeal, we can only hope that the evidence is well-reviewed in all of its shakiness. But the talk-back outrage I listened to in the car on the way to my dance class (2WS – the voice of Western Sydney) was strong and condemning, not the least by the leftist presenter Amanda Keller, who led the pack. Parallels re certainly there with the Chamberlain howling. OK, I get that the talk-back respondents simply took the line taken by Paul Murray, who came down hard last night on PML, as there is, after all, a conviction and the law must be upheld. But let us do as the Pope suggests, and wait for the outcome of an appeal before assessing in further depth how much trust we may place in our system of justice. (I say all of this as a known agnostic, not committed to any Church or religion, but committed to justice impartially garnered, not media led.)

    Should the appeal be upheld, as a similar one against another leading Catholic cleric has been, we can then consider (see the Quadrant link above) – the harm done:

    Hopefully, the verdict will be overturned on appeal, which strikes me as most likely, as was the case with the equally egregious verdict against Archbishop Wilson.
    Harm has been done. Firstly to Archbishop Wilson and Cardinal Pell, both faithful servants of the Church and the wider community. Secondly to the Church, which despite having lower rates of abuse than other bodies, has been, with a few appalling exceptions, open, forthright and pro-active in acknowledging abuse where it occurred, and putting processes in place to support victims. Many other institutions face a far larger public reckoning; there is filth lurking in places yet undreamed of. Thirdly to Wilson and Pell’s friends and families, who, like many other friends or family of alleged child abusers, have been subject to irrational hatred and slander, as well as unnecessary pain and doubt and confusion. Fourthly to genuine victims of child abuse, who, seeing these trials and their politically-driven outcomes, will wonder how they can rely on those whose duty it is to listen to them and protect them.

    The case made in this piece for the far lower rates of child-abuse in the Catholic institutions than has been found elsewhere is most interesting reading, and worth shouting loudly to those currently braying for Catholic blood.

  101. Baldrick

    Morrison has announced he is considering stripping Pe ll of his order of Australia.

    Stupid.Fucking.Liberals

  102. dopey

    ABC some mention of Pell having failed to show remorse for his crimes. Is a person expected to show remorse for doing things he denies doing?

  103. Atoms for Peace

    The Quadrant article referenced earlier is an interesting read.

  104. Atoms for Peace

    Again, why do we play cricket with Pakistan ?

  105. Stimpson J. Cat

    I’m sure many in the Vatican are celebrating now that they no longer have to account for their spending habits to Vatican Treasurer George P$ll.
    Back to business as usual!
    Coke and gay hookers for everyone!
    Party in the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith!!!!

  106. Stimpson J. Cat

    Again, why do we play cricket with Pakistan ?

    Just imagine,
    Pakistan AND India both have nukes and Australia does not.
    But at least we have the NBN.

    #Winning.

  107. Johno

    People, just to be clear, is this second trial the one which found Pell guilty. Or was there a third one?

  108. Rossini

    Baldrick
    #2945007, posted on February 27, 2019 at 12:26 pm
    +1

  109. Mother Lode

    He was found guilty before any trial.

  110. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Give me a specific example so I can see when I have?
    And show me who hasn’t thrown the fist stone?

    Not interested, Bespoke.
    Others can judge that, not me.
    As one of your prime targets, I recuse myself.
    I had thought we were over that nonsense anyway. I think blog vendettas are unproductive.
    I don’t know you, know nothing about you, and don’t presume to psychologize you.
    Please return me the favour and we’ll get on well.

  111. Beachcomber

    Morrison has announced he is considering stripping Pe ll of his order of Australia.

    Australia is now undeniably a Stalinist sh*thole.

  112. Ivan Denisovich

    Worth remembering this prime ministerial moment come election day.

    Indeed. Morrison truly is a gutless wonder and thus perfectly qualified to lead the Appeasement Party.

  113. Geriatric Mayfly:

    Wan’t the alleged offence something to do with exposure – ie. flashing? Alleged revelations of the male anatomy appear to have a profound aftermath. These days we have wimmin baring their fannies on stage as ‘art.’ There’s a goldmine for the aggrieved.

    I saw that video of wymminses “screaming through their uteruses.”
    Where’s my checque?

  114. none

    Jono there were supposed to be two trials called the cathedral trial and the swimming pool trial. The cathedral trial started off with one jury who found 10 to 2 in favour of acquitting P3ll and so it was dismissed and a new jury was called which found Pell guilty. The second the swimming pool trial had the charges withdrawn
    . Dawn

  115. Geriatric Mayfly

    Morrison has announced he is considering stripping Pe ll of his order of Australia.

    The focus groups must see advantage in creating further division.

  116. Helen

    John Howard has given a character reference

    More guts and gravitas than that Morrison sock puppet, by a country mile.

  117. Baldrick

    On the back of George Pell withdrawing his Supreme Court bail hearing …

    The Australian ✔ @australian
    George Pell will be among the most vulnerable prisoners in Victoria after he is remanded in custody, forcing authorities to isolate him.

  118. none

    I’m thinking of starting another Twitter account and just posting automatically : Pell is innocent; this verdict is a travesty; the press is corrupt; Morrison is an utter coward but then I’ve been telling you about Morrison for years.

  119. Johno

    Thank you none.The left never gives up.

  120. Mother Lode

    One difference between the Libs and Labor is that Labor’s first response to bad press is to try to brass it out. And it often works, because the press really are not that bright and often throw everything they have pout at once and interest wanes when they have nothing left.

    The Libs’ natural state seems to be forever already standing in a puddle of their own piss.

    Some drone will have taken it into their head to suggest it and Morro immediately have buckled.

    He will be fidgeting and his anal sphincter will be puckered all day as he waits for confirmation in the press that he was an out-and-out gutless turd in time.

  121. Johno

    Lotocoti, that is the funniest thing I have seen for a long time.The truly great thing is it gets funnier the more you think about it.

  122. Geriatric Mayfly

    John Howard has given a character reference

    Kudos to him. Good thing that 666 restrained himself here. Had he succumbed P ell would be given a life sentence.

  123. Gab

    On the back of George Pell withdrawing his Supreme Court bail hearing

    Why has he done that?

  124. bespoke

    Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
    #2945021, posted on February 27, 2019 at 12:40 pm
    Not interested, Bespoke.
    Others can judge that, not me.
    As one of your prime targets, I recuse myself.

    I understand jerks like Hark have made you a little sensitive but not all disagreements come from malice. And I have targets I just react.

    You said I was a “bolter to judgement” I simply want evidence.

  125. Mother Lode

    Morrison truly is a gutless wonder and thus perfectly qualified to lead the Appeasement Party.

    LowMo was Trumble’s chosen?

  126. Old School Conservative

    Johno
    #2945018, posted on February 27, 2019 at 12:38 pm
    People, just to be clear, is this second trial the one which found Pell guilty. Or was there a third one?

    Trial 1 – The alleged offences occurred in December 1996 and early 1997 at St Patrick’s Cathedral, months after Pell was inaugurated as archbishop of Melbourne. Jury voted 10-2 for acquittal, mistrial ruled.
    Trial 2 – same charges. Guilty. Suppression order lifted after Trial 3 charges were dropped.
    Trial 3 – separate alleged historical offences at a Ballarat swimming pool. Department of Public Prosecutions dropped this second set of charges. Key evidence was inadmissible and could not be used, significantly weakening the prosecution’s case.

  127. the press is corrupt;

    yes. More significant is the corruption in Vikpol.
    The selective leaks to Vikpol’s media friends should be of great concern.

  128. Old School Conservative

    Sorry for the double up none – I should have refreshed.

  129. Makka

    Nate Madden

    @NateOnTheHill
    House Democrats scheduled a subcommittee hearing on climate change. Not enough of them showed up to outvote the [email protected] called to adjourn the meeting. The motion succeeded (4-2).

    The hearing adjourned.

  130. mem

    The Democrat House Subcommittee set up a special hearing on climate change.. Only two of the Democrats turned up whilst the four republicans allocated all turned up. Given AOC says the world is ending in 12 years you would think the Democrats might regard the issue as important. The meeting was adjourned. Read more on the Conservative Tree House. https://theconservativetreehouse.com/

  131. Old School Conservative

    Judith Sloan has a great commentary in today’s Oz about the paucity of arguments for Snowy 2.0
    Some zingers:
    * a good deal for the corporation, but it’s not a good deal for consumers.
    * the Coalition has given up on the ambition of ­returning real wholesale prices to levels we enjoyed at the turn of the century
    * supernormal profits reported this week by Energy Australia
    and the best of all
    * for the sort of investment being devoted to Snowy 2.0, you could get several high efficiency, low emissions coal-fired plants.

  132. Des Deskperson

    ” ..separate alleged historical offences at a Ballarat swimming pool. Department of Public Prosecutions dropped this second set of charges. Key evidence was inadmissible and could not be used, significantly weakening the prosecution’s case.”

    Weren’t the ‘swimming pool’ charges Louise ‘Scoop’ Milligan’s particular ‘value add’ to the ‘get Pell’ campaign.

    I suppose that it’s too much to expect that she feels some shame or is at least a bit miffed. She got what she wanted in the end.

  133. mem

    Makka got in first. But do follow up the link. It is a hoot especially if you read the comments.

  134. Menai Pete

    “The Left” has a long and vindictive memory and the vehemence of the persecution of Pell should be looked at in that context. In the 1940s the then Archbishop of Melbourne, Archbishop Mannix, was instrumental in the establishment of “The Movement”, a catholic-based organisation which had the aim of eradicating communist influence from trade unions and the Labor Party, This led to the 1955 Labor Party split which resulted in the formation of the DLP (Democratic Labor Party) and kept Labor out of office until 1972. It has taken 60 years but “The Left” finally has its revenge against Mannix and the office of Archbishop of Melbourne.

  135. None

    No need for an apology old School your post was clearer.

    Just something to point out much as I think Morrison is a coward and his pathetic words were really his usual fence-sitting: I notice that he himself has not outrightly said that they will revoke the Order of Australia if you look at all the reports it’s just it is said said; his office blah blah in other words the media is up to its usual malicious bullying.tu

  136. max

    The Cardinal seems to be saying ‘have your way’, offering no resistance other than his testimony, and placing himself in the hands of his God. Undoubtedly seeing the whole thing as a test of faith. Even if the appeal fails he won’t protest. It is the fulfilment of a promise made to the followers of Christ but that’s of no comfort to those who want to believe in the system of justice in Victoria.

  137. None

    Why has he done that?

    it may be that he is still in a pre sentence hearing this morning and he was due to go to a bail application this afternoon. Perhaps the pre sentencing was running over time who knows -does anyone here understand the legal procedures? I do know though that at this point every man and his dog will desert him and he will find supporters in very unlikely places but that desertion like his AFL club and old school so quick off the mark is one of the most of deflating experiences that he will go through. I mean I don’t even want to look at the papers today: the punching down, the vilification. Eden blog moderators are not publishing any supportive comments but just allowing the trolls and the retards to have a field day. Don’t ever doubt for a moment that this lot would crucify Jesus himself should I ever walk the Earth again.

  138. Johno

    O.K. Now bear with me please. I have heard it mentioned that the witness did not have to appear at the trial and instead the jury just heard transcripts of his evidence. Was this at the first cathedral trial or the second.?

  139. None

    Max assume that the cardinal is taking this lying down. The defence team he chose is not one for turning the other cheek. He has maintained his innocence. He cannot make public statements while trials and appeals are underway. One of the papers today was screeching that is showed no remorse well of course he’s not going to show any remorse if he is innocent because he’s done nothing to be remorse for about. If you want to do something useful donate to his legal fund and maybe even send an email with a letter of support to the lawyers running the legal fund to pass on to him and then get on every radio station and then use paper and public outlet and back him against the trolls.

  140. None

    Jono you’re on the internet why don’t you Google?

  141. C.L.

    Don’t ever doubt for a moment that this lot would crucify Jesus himself should I ever walk the Earth again.

    !

  142. Helen

    does anyone have his email or the lawyers email or his fund?

  143. Fat Tony

    None
    #2945055, posted on February 27, 2019 at 1:17 pm

    Don’t ever doubt for a moment that this lot would crucify Jesus himself should I ever walk the Earth again.

    None – are you telling us something??

  144. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    You said I was a “bolter to judgement” I simply want evidence.

    You were on here five minutes and you join a pile-on against me, with Nick, also a relative newbie, who is a known piler-on: he had Elle in great distress more than once when she first came here to the OT. I’ve been here for nearly ten years. Take your time in future. You will learn more about other people that way.

    I think it is best we attack trolls rather than each other.

    —————-

    I’m quite happy for Stimpy to comment in non-humorous ways.
    As long as he is clear about the difference. I am very fallible and often can’t tell.

    Humor is a gift and he does have it.

  145. Mark A

    max
    #2945054, posted on February 27, 2019 at 1:16 pm

    The Cardinal seems to be saying ‘have your way’, offering no resistance other than his testimony, and placing himself in the hands of his God. Undoubtedly seeing the whole thing as a test of faith. Even if the appeal fails he won’t protest. It is the fulfilment of a promise made to the followers of Christ but that’s of no comfort to those who want to believe in the system of justice in Victoria.

    I never fully understood this Christian conviction of offering the other cheek.
    Always abided by the tenet, “God helps those who help themselves”. This stupid notion of relying on faith alone in adversity and taking no action, not fighting back, specially against a baying mob is just that, stupid.

  146. Vicki

    Was this at the first cathedral trial or the second.?

    At the 2nd trial. It was deemed to be “unfair” to put the complainant to another cross-examination! So…the jury were shown a video, I believe, of the testimony & cross-examination from the 1st hearing.

    Is it only in Victoria that this happens?

  147. Infidel Tiger

    Was Pell convicted without fear and favour?
    An interesting piece from Crime and Law editor John Silvester:

    George Pell was found guilty beyond reasonable doubt on the uncorroborated evidence of one witness, without forensic evidence, a pattern of behaviour or a confession.

    It is a matter of public record that it is rare to run a case on the word of one witness, let alone gain a conviction.

    In recent years there has been a shift in the investigation and prosecution of sex crimes. For years victims have been denied justice because not enough resources were thrown at cases that were not black and white. Now police are told to come from a mindset of believing a person who says they have been sexually assaulted and more cases in the grey area are being presented to juries. In reality, sex crimes are being treated differently to other crimes, although the standard of proof remains the same. Click here for the full article

  148. Bruce of Newcastle

    House Democrats scheduled a subcommittee hearing on climate change. Not enough of them showed up to outvote the [email protected] called to adjourn the meeting. The motion succeeded (4-2).

    Wasn’t climate change supposed to be the really real emergency, not the influx of illegals, drugs and terrorists over the border from Mexico?

  149. Vicki

    I never fully understood this Christian conviction of offering the other cheek.

    When you think about it – this is a pretty solid test of faith – to commit willingly to imprisonment for something that you (may) not have done. When I heard of the failure to apply for bail today.. I immediately thought it may have been under instructions from Pell & that he is willing to “submit to the will of God”.

  150. C.L.

    Now police are told to come from a mindset of believing a person who says they have been sexually assaulted …

    Except if they’re accusing Labor Party leaders.

  151. Johno

    None, most of the information on google comes from journos,the modern crop have an almost universal inability to impart knowledge. Instead of wading through reams of waffle I thought it best to ask the informed people on this forum. Sorry if I have offended you in some way.

  152. Mark A
    What?
    Other that engaging one of Victoria’s best barristers and appealing the conviction?

  153. Vicki

    IT …. the “click to article” was not highlighted.

  154. Johno

    Thank you Vicki, that was the impression I had, but I saw an interview on line where the journo said that the “victim” had faced two days of cross examination. Lies of omission .

  155. Elle

    Apologies if this has been posted here as I haven’t scrolled back.

    Is this correct. Pell’s defense is not denying the offending?
    link

  156. Helen

    Thanks Lysander – message sent.

  157. None

    You haven’t offended me Jono but the rest of us wade through the dross and make a considered judgement based on an evaluation of the sources and their reliability so I’m always a bit suspicious of people who don’t do that thinking for themselves, and expect others to do it for them.

  158. Infidel Tiger

    Is this correct. Pell’s defense is not denying the offending?
    link

    Aren’t you meant to be a lawyer or something equally as awful?

    Surely you know the defences role in sentencing?

  159. Snoopy

    he had Elle in great distress more than once when she first came here to the OT.

    Do you mean the third first time or the fourth first time? I don’t think Nick was around for the first first time.

  160. Tel

    Except if they’re accusing Labor Party leaders.

    Agreed. The power to be able to selectively prosecute in some situations but not others is a huge responsibility, wide open to abuse. No one talks about it … and there’s no process of review … and it’s out of the hands of anyone elected by the voters.

  161. bespoke

    Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
    #2945068, posted on February 27, 2019 at 1:26 pm
    You were on here five minutes and you join a pile-on against me, with Nick, also a relative newbie, who is a known piler-on: he had Elle in great distress more than once when she first came here to the OT. I’ve been here for nearly ten years. Take your time in future. You will learn more about other people that way.

    That is entirely not true.

    I think it is best we attack trolls rather than each other.

    Again I wasn’t attacking just disagreeing and you’ve said in the past this is not a place for consensuses. I laterally believe that not just when its directed to the other side. I am not an NPC nor do I seek approval.

  162. Elle

    No, I’m not a lawyer, IT.

    Ahh, noopy, excellent attention to detail. Well done. 🙂

  163. John Constantine

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  164. Anne

    The eggs you eat are analogous to the hen’s menstrual discard.

    I’m having menstrual discard on toast this morning.

    Poached menstrual discard.
    I was going to make googy eggs and dip my toast soldiers into the menstrual discard, but I thought nah, just spread your menstrual discard over the toast, with it being still just a bit runny.
    Because of course, I like my menstrual discard a bit runny.

    Thanks Anne.

    Don’t forget your cold glass of hormone-laden, pregnant bovine, breast milk with that, Struth. 😋

  165. Vicki

    I am in the country & listening to a scratchy radio station re the Pell matter. I thought I heard that Pell’s senior counsel had demurred today that the alleged assault was “out of character” & would have been a spur-of-the-moment thing. I could hardly believe my ears. Can anyone tell me thatI heard this incorrectly????

  166. max

    The Cardinal may be thinking not just of his own case but of the Church more generally, and in submitting to his particular prison sentence, acknowledging the sins of omission in the past. He may not be guilty and he may have done a lot to combat the powerful homosexual groups who spread this filth, but he is standing in the place of his predecessors who failed to understand the seriousness of the problem. Of course it has never been just a church problem.

  167. Elle

    Vicki, I know, right. Check out my link above. Flabbergasted!

  168. Mother Lode

    Wasn’t climate change supposed to be the really real emergency, not the influx of illegals, drugs and terrorists over the border from Mexico?

    Perhaps the Democrats had trouble getting there on time because the of all the snow you get with Global Warming.

  169. Infidel Tiger

    I am in the country & listening to a scratchy radio station re the Pell matter. I thought I heard that Pell’s senior counsel had demurred today that the alleged assault was “out of character” & would have been a spur-of-the-moment thing. I could hardly believe my ears. Can anyone tell me thatI heard this incorrectly????

    Richter’s current role is to mitigate the sentence.

    He is not arguing innocence right now.

    FFS, he could end up getting Pell the death sentence if he went that route.

  170. Are people getting all excited about defense comments at the sentencing hearing.

    Hold your horses!

  171. None

    FFS MaX, the cardinal is not that stupid. What a disgusting precedent to set; punishing an innocent person for the Crimes of somebody else. That’s not just as that’s out-and-out evil.
    We may as well jail you for the Anita Cobby rape and murder.

  172. Infidel Tiger

    We need a national civics lesson.

    The general ignorance of how the country works (or should work) is astounding.

    No wonder so much nefarious activity is possible.

  173. Vicki

    He may not be guilty and he may have done a lot to combat the powerful homosexual groups who spread this filth, but he is standing in the place of his predecessors who failed to understand the seriousness of the problem.

    That is exactly what my husband conjectured.

  174. Vicki

    Richter’s current role is to mitigate the sentence.

    He is not arguing innocence right now.

    OK. Can see that.

  175. pete m

    Gab, it is very rare to get bail awaiting an appeal. I think rather than waste time seeking the unwinnable focus on sentence and then the appeal.

  176. Elle

    I may have missed it, but I thought he denied the offences. I assume the defense is taking the now guilty stance to get a reduced sentence. Still flabbergasted.

  177. Tom

    If the link hasn’t been posted already, read the whole thing from Australia’s best crime reporter,
    John Silvester, the last of the old guard who knew what they were doing at Fakefacts:

    Pell was found guilty beyond reasonable doubt on the uncorroborated evidence of one witness, without forensic evidence, a pattern of behaviour or a confession.

  178. Vicki

    Thank you Elle – have read the article & now get the gist of Richter’s defence.

    However, calling the alleged acts as of the “plain vanilla” range seems to have only riled Justice Kidd! Kidd’s subsequent remarks suggest he is in entirely in agreement with the jury & that he intends (in his sentencing) to make an example of Pell.

  179. accusing Labor Party leaders

    In Viktoristan, that’s an offence deserving of 20 years hard labor.

  180. Elle

    Richter’s current role is to mitigate the sentence.

    He is not arguing innocence right now.

    Jeez, but Richter’s callous, very old school approach, won’t help Pell at all.

  181. Mark A

    Vicki
    #2945075, posted on February 27, 2019 at 1:31 pm

    I never fully understood this Christian conviction of offering the other cheek.

    When you think about it – this is a pretty solid test of faith – to commit willingly to imprisonment for something that you (may) not have done. When I heard of the failure to apply for bail today.. I immediately thought it may have been under instructions from Pell & that he is willing to “submit to the will of God”.

    You may look at it like that, I look at it as an arrogant challenge to God, “I have faith in you, now get me out of here!”

    Also common sense could tell you from past empirical evidence how far faith gets you, not very far at all without your own efforts that is.
    Perhaps a combination of both works?

  182. Vicki

    I assume the defense is taking the now guilty stance to get a reduced sentence. Still flabbergasted.

    Me, too (unfortunate turn of phrase!).

    Surely Pell’s people would choose to work for a retrial- or even better (I think it is an option) of a retrial just before judges in the Court of Appeal. Although I’m now wondering if he could get a fair trial in Victoria.

  183. Mallee Miss

    I am truly disturbed at the Pell outcome, not least because of the dubious value of the evidence presented against him, but also because this travesty raises real concerns about the legal system in Victoria. I also heard the media condemn him for appearing at the trails of the trial of the horrible Ridsdale as if he condoned Ridsdale’s actions, rather than observe that he might have been following the dictates of his belief, and showing some Christian compassion to the most ghastly and horrible humans.

  184. Pell was found guilty beyond reasonable doubt on the uncorroborated evidence of one witness, without forensic evidence, a pattern of behaviour or a confession.

    Good summary.

  185. Geriatric Mayfly

    Have adjusted my Matric class photo. Pell has been brushed out.

  186. None

    Viki – Pell has an impeccably clean record and he would have been around 55 years old at the time of the alleged offence and suddenly out of the blue just as he was Archbishop in a most solemn mass he decides to molest not one but two boys (I mean how superhuman to get one 13 uear old boy to fellate you while what? Holding the other to prevent them from leaving and masturbating at the same time as well as holding up thtee layers of vestements? I mean for fuck sake)?
    People don’t do those things out of the blue; those sorts of behaviours develop in patterns over many years and fir Pell to basically risk his entire career at 55 on something that brazen and stupid defies belief. This is why during the court case the prosecution had to even put forward a theory that he was mad because no sensible person could even do that. That’s right The Towering intellectual giant and self disciplined Cardinal Pell was accused of being mad in order to explain this f****** bag of Lies. So now that they are doing the sentencing hearing before they get to appeals the lawyer will have to argue why this offence even if it were true was really on the totally lowest end of the scale and deserves the minimum. 10 hours of community service or whatever. That means at least you can still fight his appeal without the added security risk of incarceration
    I mean one offence was apparently he pushed a boy against the wall and grab his balls. For fucksake so I’m pretty sure that most men have had worse happened to them during school boy and I don’t fall into pieces and go i to hysterics for the next 50 years. Most of us women have been groped on buses or trains – even as school kids and no it is not pleasant and not something to be condoned but we don’t fall apart for the next 50 years. Two 13 year old boys who didn’t even give any lip back and but went back to choir the next week and the week after and the week after? Sorry not washing.

  187. Beachcomber

    At least the National Catholic Register in the USA has some integrity and is willing to speak out against this persecution of Pe ll.

    Kangaroo court?

    “This is an act of outrageous malice by a prejudiced jury. The media convicted him long ago in the court of public opinion and he did not receive a fair trial.”

  188. Mick Gold Coast QLD

    From calli at 8:36 am in the previous Open Thread:

    “It’s very quiet here this morning. I think I know why.

    Chins up, Cats and Kittehs.”

    An apt observation.

    After reading all the coverage and comment at Catallaxy yesterday (a man would be courting depression if he watched or read the main stream news), and reflecting throughout an uncharacteristic chatter free evening here, the word I came up with at the end of the night was “desolate”.

    A good, good man has been felled following an unrelenting decades long campaign by that most venal group within the homo faith, those charged with the task of growing fresh meat. They got their casting just right – uncivilised fable tellers seduced by an easy couple of grand, deceitful sloths of police, self interested activist judges (who hate Christianity and the Catholic Church particularly because … well … they don’t quite know why), thoroughly immoral politicians at every level who would dart into the shadows and the 4th Estate, loyal members of the powerful entertainer’s parish of that same faith.

    I did glimpse vision of the police outside the court yesterday, wandering indifferently along behind the media jackals who were barking demands of the Cardinal while they all but shoulder charged him to the ground. One may understand why Victorian public servants dressed in snazzy blue police uniforms hang back from the job at hand – they need to be ever on the lookout for African non gangs approaching, so that they can make an early, swift getaway to safety.

    From calli at 12:53 pm in yesterday’s dedicated thread:

    “Good to see I’m not alone in wanting to follow the money. That’s where the real crime is. Lots and lots of lovely money.”

    Most assuredly.

    I saw reports of the queue forming this morning, and that’s just the bottom feeders keen to simply fill out a form and leave their bank account number. Victorian solicitors will be writing to every man jack of the 1.7 million Catholics from Mildura to Mallacoota.

    From BrettW at 9:55 am in the previous Open Thread:

    “Today is the day Catholics need to decide where they stand. When the conversation turns to Pell do they keep quiet, condemn him or as I will be doing point out the many many issues with the evidence of the case and the legal process and previous jury vote etc.

    …”

    What to do now? did come to mind – the answer there was more of the same, described in your third option.

    Select three telling facts and hammer them. Don’t listen to the response, don’t be lovely, be brutal and leave them with the observation that their preparedness to remain so ignorant is quite the surprise. Ask their position on Keith Wright, Bill D’Arcy, Terry Martin, Bob Collins, Bill Shorten and Milton Orkopoulos and their club’s practice of doing nothing about them.

    You can write – hand write – a one page letter of support and send it via Cardinal Pell’s barrister – that will take ten or fifteen minutes and such a personal touch will undoubtedly be appreciated.

    Room flr 7,
    William Crockett Chambers,
    530 Lonsdale Street
    Melbourne VIC 3000
    Phone 03 9225 7010
    [email protected]

  189. None

    Viki – Pell has an impeccably clean record and he would have been around 55 years old at the time of the alleged offence and suddenly out of the blue just as he was Archbishop in a most solemn mass he decides to molest not one but two boys (I mean how superhuman to get one 13 uear old boy to f3llate you while what? Holding the other to prevent them from leaving and m2sturb2ting at the same time as well as holding up thtee layers of vestements? I mean FFS)?
    People don’t do those things out of the blue; those sorts of behaviours develop in patterns over many years and for Pell to basically risk his entire career at 55 on something that brazen and stupid defies belief. This is why during the court case the prosecution had to even put forward a theory that he was mad because no sensible person could even do that. That’s right The tiwering intellectual giant and self disciplined Cardinal Pell was accused of being mad in order to explain this f****** bag of Lies. So now that they are doing the sentencing hearing before they get to appeals the lawyer will have to argue why this offence even if it were true was really on the totally lowest end of the scale and deserves the minimum. 10 hours of community service or whatever. That means at least you can still fight his appeal without the added security risk of incarceration
    I mean one offence was apparently he pushed a boy against the wall and grab his b2lls. I’m pretty sure that most men have had worse happened to them during school boy jostling – wedges anyone- and don’t fall into pieces and go into hysterics for the next 50 years ( but only speak up when one of your mates dies). Most of us women have been groped on buses or trains – even as school kids and no it is not pleasant and not something to be condoned but we don’t fall apart for the next 50 years. Two 13 year old boys who didn’t even give any lip back and but went back to choir the next week and the week after and the week after? Sorry not washing.

  190. Fat Tony

    Mark A
    #2945070, posted on February 27, 2019 at 1:26 pm
    I never fully understood this Christian conviction of offering the other cheek.

    I had a teacher (Christian Brother) in secondary school who explained it thusly:
    “You have 4 cheeks to turn, then hit back”.

  191. Des Deskperson

    Does arguing for a mitigation of the initial sentence preclude a subsequent appeal?

    I would have though not.

  192. Mother Lode

    Are judges allowed to mete out exemplary punishment?

    It makes sense a person is punished according to their crime.

    But to then layer on additional punishment as a lesson to other people is going beyond that.

    Do judges get to award sentence on someone, and then co-opt more of them (time or circumstances of punishment) as a community service announcement?

  193. Roger

    Pell was found guilty beyond reasonable doubt on the uncorroborated evidence of one witness, without forensic evidence, a pattern of behaviour or a confession.

    Uncorroborated evidence with some notable inconsistencies, it should be added, which were pointed out to the jury.

    Pell, otoh, had credible witnesses who testified he was never alone in the sacristy.

  194. stackja

    I assume below is still correct:

    DETAILS FOR PEOPLE WANTING TO DONATE TO CARDINAL GEORGE PELL FUND TO ASSIST WITH LEGAL COSTS
    A number of people are wanting to know where they can contribute to assist Cardinal George Pell with his defence costs. The Catholic Archdiocese of Sydney has not established nor is it managing a fund to assist Cardinal Pell.
    However, there is a fund where people may contribute if they so wish
    Funds can be deposited into:
    Ferdinand Zito and Associates Law Practice Trust Account
    Bendigo Bank
    BSB: 633-000
    Acct No: 1359-51192
    Ref Code: LFGP
    If you would like to request acknowledgement of the receipt of funds please email [email protected]

  195. Mother Lode

    Interesting like there, Beachcomber.

    Among the comments already there someone is insisting that he was convicted of ‘association’, and someone else who seems to think it fair because he had a naughty schoolmaster.

  196. dopey

    He should lose his Brownlow medals too.

  197. Shy Ted

    Top Ender
    #2944994, posted on February 27, 2019 at 12:08 pm
    A large drone designed for electronic warfare, which could eventually carry bombs, will be publicly unveiled today after being secretly developed with the Royal Australian Air Force (RAAF).
    Needs a name.

    Drone needs a name? Josh Frydenberg. Outdrones the best of them.

  198. Infidel Tiger

    Uncorroborated evidence with some notable inconsistencies, it should be added, which were pointed out to the jury.

    Pell, otoh, had credible witnesses who testified he was never alone in the sacristy.

    What Richter was prevented from showing and saying to the jury is also no doubt grounds for appeal.

  199. struth

    And Oddly enough, not only is Pell convicted of an act that there is no proof occurred, it’s also an acy that’s about to be celebrated in the Gay and Lesbian Mardi Gras.
    The Mardi Gras full of people that have no problem dressing up five year old boys in drag and letting them in night clubs.
    Those that are pushing homosexuality as better than heterosexuality.
    Those that are pushing “love is love” when talking about pedo acts, and it just being choice.

    We are witnessing the rebirth of Sodom.

  200. Infidel Tiger

    Even eternally self promoting Rita P is confusing sentencing submissions with the trial itself.

    The ignorance of this country and its journalists is staggering, but does show why Show Trials are now possible.

  201. Anne

    I had a teacher (Christian Brother) in secondary school who explained it thusly:
    “You have 4 cheeks to turn, then hit back”.

    I think he may have been coming on to you, Tony. 😳

  202. C.L.

    He may not be guilty and he may have done a lot to combat the powerful homosexual groups who spread this filth, but he is standing in the place of his predecessors who failed to understand the seriousness of the problem.

    That’s bullshit. Pell wouldn’t do something so utterly evil. The precedent of doing such a thing would endanger the life and liberty of every Catholic and Christian in Australia.

    His predecessor, by the way, was Frank Little – who certainly did know the seriousness of the problem. That’s why he facilitated and covered up for multiple offenders. In his day, Little was a darling of ‘social justice’ leftists and the liberal wing of the Church. He loathed Pell. and the feeling was mutual.

  203. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    In theory, attacking the arguments not the people is the best way of furthering discussion. To me, the Cat is a good place for many different people to meet each other and also to have some fun. Anyway, I am still here, in spite of critics.

    I will be here less so in weeks to come, as I am behind in a lot of my projects, and Hairy’s eyes are my main concern. He still has vision loss and further tests are likely. Our decision now is whether to have them in four weeks when his hoped-for better health by then will perhaps deliver a clearer diagnosis of what is wrong, or whether to have the major invasive but diagnostic surgical test very soon (like next Tuesday). The problem with next week the increased possibility of a complicating infection, given that his cellulitis has not yet completely cleared up. This test may rule out that the problem is ischaemic (i.e. circulatory), and identify it as auto-immune, in which case heavy doses of cortico-steroids must be commenced immediately and for life, in order to forestall if possible the prognosis of further sight deterioration and likely blindness. For that, the sooner treatment starts the better.

    If it is ischaemic, then there is more hope of this problem not getting any worse or even retreating a little with proper lifestyle care, although there is no other treatment, so we are holding out for ischaemic. There have been some dark days for us, which we are mostly keeping from the children at present, not to worry them unduly. Tinta is on the case with the help of some special Saints, and I won’t say no. Perpetua Durack too; she has a direct line upstairs to one of them, she reckons.

    I do attack trolls. They deserve it. Unhelpful detractors from within are best ignored; but not well-meant critiques. No doubt we all have room for helpful hints on our personal and intellectual improvement. 🙂

  204. Stimpson J. Cat

    I also heard the media condemn him for appearing at the trails of the trial of the horrible Ridsdale as if he condoned Ridsdale’s actions, rather than observe that he might have been following the dictates of his belief, and showing some Christian compassion to the most ghastly and horrible humans.

    I’m sure you are a lovely person and I don’t mean to be rude,
    but F$ck your Christian compassion to ghastly and horrible humans.
    Children come first.
    Always.
    Jesus knew this.
    I shouldn’t have to even say this out loud.

  205. Infidel Tiger

    ST. LOUIS — The United Methodist Church on Tuesday voted to strengthen its ban on gay and lesbian clergy and same-sex marriages, a decision that could split the nation’s second-largest Protestant church.

    After three days of intense debate at a conference in St. Louis, the vote by church officials and lay members from around the world doubled down on current church policy, which states that “the practice of homosexuality is incompatible with Christian teaching.” The vote served as a rejection of a push by progressive members and leaders to open the church to lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender people.

    Rare good news.

  206. Vicki

    We are witnessing the rebirth of Sodom.

    Ain’t it the truth.

    This case will divide this country – already divided by every “ism” you can think of.

    Normally sensible people I know have made the asinine comment about Pell (prior even to his conviction) that “he looks like a paedophile” & “there must have been other victims”. Making them look rationally at what they have just said makes no difference to their attitude.

    Hell, I’m not even a Catholic ….but I can plainly see the miscarriage of justice in the conviction of this man.

  207. Pell is not making an ‘arrogant appeal to God’s

    He’s fighting the charges, he has about the best barrister money can buy, he’s plead not guilty and will appeal.

    You are reading in your own erroneous assumptions into the process of a sentencing hearing and the ignorant stupidity of journalists.

    Would be arrogance not to talk down the alleged offences at a sentencing hearing after a guilty verdict.

  208. Helen

    Thoughts with you and Hairy, Lizzie. You are rolling all the troubles into one, arent you? Pray that this will be the end of it and sunny days ahead after you ride this one out together.

  209. Top Ender

    Not one Pell article in The Australian this morning is allowing comments on the case.

  210. Vicki

    Very sorry also to hear about Hairy’s problem. My husband had cellulitis in his leg many years ago. It was undiagnosed at the local hospital & it took a lot of footwork for us to get a microbiologist to diagnose & work out an antibiotic cocktail to get it under control. Wishing him a swift recovery.

  211. That is rubbish Stimpy.

    In any case ridsdale asked cardinal P ell to be a character witness. He refused but very reluctantly accompanied him to court. One can do that and still have much greater compassion for the children Ridsdale molested it is not an either or situation. You seem to be implying that he deserves to go to jail merely for walking with ridsdale to the court.

    It’s pathetic if that’s all you’ve got.

    iirc Salvation army often provide defendant support when they’ve been abandoned by everybody else, no-one condemns them for it either. Every single human being is made in the image of God. Remember you were in prison …

  212. Roger

    Weren’t the ‘swimming pool’ charges Louise ‘Scoop’ Milligan’s particular ‘value add’ to the ‘get Pell’ campaign. I suppose that it’s too much to expect that she feels some shame or is at least a bit miffed. She got what she wanted in the end.

    Milligan and Sales were very excited last night on 7:30 in a performance that was quite disgusting to any objective observer.

    The wind will be taken out of their sails when the defamation writs are served.

  213. areff

    At Quadrant, Geoffrey Luck on the Pell trial’s mysteries, plus a roundup of graphics and coverage — most from the ABC, including the rock spider illustration — that made a fair trial impossible. Scroll down from the Peter Wales essay, which is retaining top spot for a bit longer because it is so good.

  214. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    If Pell is actually charged and convicted regarding a sexual matter from years ago purely on hearsay, I cannot see why Bill Shorten is not being charged. Could someone please explain this to me? And the electorate?

  215. None

    Pell was found guilty beyond reasonable doubt on the uncorroborated evidence of one witness, with substantial inconsistencies which also necessitated him changing the story to fit the prosecution’s evidence (e.g. on dates), without forensic evidence, a pattern of behaviour or a confession.

    FIFY
    Judge Kidd now going into full virtue-signalling mode even claiming that there was an element of brutality to this alleged event where he was not even there and where the Witnesses statement is not even open to the public for assessment. This is disgusting. This is full on Lynch mob.

  216. Confused Old Misfit

    … your cold glass of hormone-laden, pregnant bovine, breast milk …

    Late to this party but I drink about a litre of that a day!
    Nectar!
    Also enjoy bacon & eggs in whatever evolution you want to place them.

  217. calli

    News of Cardinal George Pell’s guilty verdict for child sex offences is being greeted with disbelief by shocked Catholics around the world.

    Why do these halfwits presume it’s just Catholics who are shocked? The implications of this conviction and how it was obtained go far beyond “Catholics”.

    And as for Pell’s old school – Covington bishop redux.

  218. Infidel Tiger

    The wind will be taken out of their sails when the defamation writs are served.

    Pell will be long dead before they need worry.

  219. calli

    Judge Kidd is looking at a lifetime of non-invititations for him and his missus if he goes in soft.

    Those bits of silverplate never looked so enticing.

  220. Cassie of Sydney

    “Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
    #2945162, posted on February 27, 2019 at 3:02 pm
    If Pell is actually charged and convicted regarding a sexual matter from years ago purely on hearsay, I cannot see why Bill Shorten is not being charged. Could someone please explain this to me? And the electorate?”

    My thoughts too Lizzie.

  221. Mark A

    Notafan
    #2945151, posted on February 27, 2019 at 2:50 pm

    I was talking in general terms, not about this particular case.

    Calm down.

  222. Fat Tony

    Anne
    #2945143, posted on February 27, 2019 at 2:47 pm
    I had a teacher (Christian Brother) in secondary school who explained it thusly:
    “You have 4 cheeks to turn, then hit back”.

    I think he may have been coming on to you, Tony. 😳

    Hi Anne – how’s things going?

    The CB actually said it to the whole class – and, in all seriousness, in the 7 years I spent at the CB School in Toowoomba, I never heard of any of the CBs doing anything untoward.

  223. Fat Tony

    struth
    #2945141, posted on February 27, 2019 at 2:38 pm
    We are witnessing the rebirth of Sodom.

    And we all know how that turned out…….

  224. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    What? Nine German firefighters freed a fat rat stuck in a manhole (personhole please) and then gently let the chubby little fellow return to his sweet little home and family in the sewers?

    Someone make a movie. Yetch.
    The Germans need bubonic plague to sort them out these days.

  225. bespoke

    I would really like to convey my support (again), Lizzie but your continued lacing your troubles in a contentions discussion is every bit as exploitive as numbers.

  226. Mother Lode

    Not one Pell article in The Australian this morning is allowing comments on the case.

    Stuff like this should be remembered when (and if) the conviction is overturned.

    The behaviour of the people that harangue us everyday with their versions of virtue are letting their masks slip.

    You have that Berk from the Shire (who is a hunt if ever there was one) blurting out that he is looking at stripping the AC trinket from Pell*, just hours after the verdict was announced and perhaps one hour less after the appeal was announced.

    The Australian doesn’t dare let people air their thoughts. It is not as if News has no experience at moderating the obviously legally fraught.

    The ABC whooping around slapping itself on the bare thigh at the success of their campaign to bring down a man who, even if he was guilty, would still be guilty of much less than their fiendish colleagues and countless others they protect.

    Hark ’em all

    *Personally, I don’t know why anyone would accept one of those baubles – it puts you in the company of a lot of societies detritus.

  227. Stimpson J. Cat

    He refused but very reluctantly accompanied him to court. One can do that and still have much greater compassion for the children Ridsdale molested it is not an either or situation. You seem to be implying that he deserves to go to jail merely for walking with ridsdale to the court.
    It’s pathetic if that’s all you’ve got.

    I didn’t convict him and I am not implying anything.
    Don’t verbal me.
    Reluctantly is f$cking irrelevant.
    He chose.
    He had a choice.
    It was the wrong one.
    You honestly think the jury did not consider this?
    You are naive.

  228. Cassie of Sydney

    “The Germans need bubonic plague to sort them out these days.”

    So do Victorians.

  229. Baldrick

    Justice, Victorian style:

    Eliza Rugg ✔ @Eliza_Rugg9
    BREAKING: Cardinal Pell has been remanded in custody until he is sentenced on March 13. The prisoner bowed at the Judge as he left the courtroom.

  230. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Why do these halfwits presume it’s just Catholics who are shocked? The implications of this conviction and how it was obtained go far beyond “Catholics”.

    Indeed. Even here. Many who object do so on purely legal process grounds.
    Cassie and I are not Catholics, for a start.
    Nor is Hairy, who is outraged.
    This is a shameful show trial convicting what was physically impossible on a total lack of evidence.

  231. Confused Old Misfit

    My God!
    The Methodists are rising!

    The United Methodist Church has fractured over the role of LGBT people in the denomination. At a special conference in St. Louis this week, convened specifically to address divisions over LGBT issues, members voted to toughen prohibitions on same-sex marriage and LGBT clergy. This was a surprise: The denomination’s bishops, its top clergy, pushed hard for a resolution that would have allowed local congregations, conferences, and clergy to make their own choices about conducting same-sex marriages and ordaining LGBT pastors. This proposal, called the One Church Plan, was designed to keep the denomination together. Methodist delegates rejected their recommendations, instead choosing the so-called Traditional Plan that affirmed the denomination’s teachings against homosexuality.

  232. It’s not just ‘hearsay’ it’s actual ‘evidence’ via a claim by an alleged victim.

  233. Infidel Tiger

    My God!
    The Methodists are rising!

    The destruction of Christianity by homosexuals must end now.

    Hopefully their last victim is Pell.

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