Wednesday Forum: February 27, 2019

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  1. JC

    I’ve been starting my fire for years using a copy of the HC Mabo Judgement.

    Oh come on, Cronkite. The finding itself was pretty decent. Eddie and his clan lived on the land/islands from eternity. All the law did was formerly recognize ownership. Eddie’s case showed that Terra nullus shouldn’t have blanketed the entire country.

    You deserve a beating over this, but that’s beside the point.

  2. Pete of Perth

    My comment is awaiting moderation. Subject Member for SA submarines resigning

  3. Des Deskperson

    ‘Mike Willesee dead, aged 76.’

    He peaked in the 197os. Two memories of him on TV when I was very young:

    shamelessly and persistently sucking up to actor Jack Thompson, another 7os figure;

    giving the then PM Malcolm Fraser a gratuitous public lecture about how he needed to unbend, relax and become more human and personable. I thought even then that it was a bit arrogant. I’ve no idea if Fraser ever saw the broadcast.

  4. Is JC entirely sure that is what the judgement says?

  5. JC

    Cronkite, you’re quite the statist, aren’t you. The Torres Strait islands defaulted to the Australian government because of the principle of Terra Nullus. It’s far more just and proper the islands were given back to the people who occupy them. Of course, like most important decisions made in Australia, the left always fuck it up big time.

    Did you really want the Australian government to continue claiming ownership of a bunch of islands inhabited by those islanders? For what purpose?

  6. JC

    I don’t know, Driller. Is he?

  7. Huh? Now the Torres Strait Islands defaulted to the Australian government?
    So it is not true that they actually fought tooth & nail to be part of Australia?

  8. JC

    Does Driller think this is fair and just? Can someone ask him for me.

    In 1972 my family had planned to visit Mer. My father had hoped to visit his father, Benny Mabo, who was suffering from tuberculosis. Tuberculosis was a major killer of Torres Strait Islanders at the time. Our family travelled to Thursday Island but we were refused permission to travel to Mer.

    My mother, Bonita, remembers;

    “In those days you had to get permission to go across to Mer, but the Queensland authorities wouldn’t let us. They said Eddie was a non-Islander, because he hadn’t lived there for so long. They thought he was too political and would stir up trouble.”

    Our family returned to Townsville. Six weeks later my father received a telegram saying that his father had died. My father cried. We never had the chance to meet our grandfather.

    My father never forgave the government authorities for this injustice. It fuelled his determination for recognition and equality in society. This began his ten-year battle for justice and political status.

    How fucking dare any Australian authority refuse permission for any Australian to travel within Australia. Good for Eddie fighting back and winning his clan’s rights to the land.

  9. So today is it possible to travel to Murray Island without written permission?
    Surely something has changed, big fella court judgement & all?

  10. Top Ender

    twostix…Women already dominate the commonwealth public service almost 60/40.

    This is one of those oddities that persist in many Western countries.

    Women in particular dominate in nursing and teaching.

    They usually now dominate in university graduations.

    What is to be done about this unfair gender domination?

    Look! Over there! Unicorns!

  11. JC

    So it is not true that they actually fought tooth & nail to be part of Australia?

    I have my problems with native title, because of its weak structure not conferring individual rights. However, to suggest the Torres Strait Islanders don’t have a strong right to the land is appalling.

    Driller, believes he has an insight into all this because he lives in FNQ, which is laughable. But then he’s always telling us he’s a weal astryan.

  12. If cwissy is resigning we might yet be saved from the poomince class subs.

  13. feelthebern

    I did not know Mike.
    But from 2nd hand accounts, he got off the grog & punt & tried to atone for his sins.
    A lot of humility in that.

  14. JC hasn’t actually read the Mabo Judgement.
    He’s just making it all up as he goes along.
    * popcorn time *

  15. struth

    Willesee bonked Germaine Greer.

    It was just his turn.

    A man allegedly prised a metal plaque from a Captain James Cook memorial on Australia Day and used it as a barbecue hotplate to cook a steak.

    Talk about an own goal.
    All the things they couldn’t do before white man.
    The metal hot plate and the steak.

    And without even looking he’d be white.
    Let’s guess who’s tribal party he belongs to.
    I thin k we can safely say that just like Hitler, Monty and numbers own this one as well.

  16. mh

    I wish Australia would wake up to the fact that Beattie = Bullshit.

  17. feelthebern

    Deep breath…
    Subs aside (impossible I know), this defence industry policy trying to get Oz tech sucked up into the international military tech ecosystem has had a couple of decent wins already.
    If it’s public knowledge, I don’t know why the govt is talking up the success.
    Maybe it isn’t for some reason.

  18. JC

    JC hasn’t actually read the Mabo Judgement.
    He’s just making it all up as he goes along.
    * popcorn time *

    I did actually. We debated this subject a long time ago at Catallaxy and most people came away believing Terra nullus blanketing most of the continent was bullshit. However the pubbler has different ideas. Lets hear those “ideas”

  19. struth

    How fucking dare any Australian authority refuse permission for any Australian to travel within Australia. Good for Eddie fighting back and winning his clan’s rights to the land.

    Try getting into Arnhem land

  20. Des Deskperson

    ‘Women already dominate the commonwealth public service almost 60/40.’

    At senior level – EL2 and above – the representation is almost exactly reversed.

  21. cohenite

    You deserve a beating over this, but that’s beside the point.

    You said you were a lover not a fighter head prefect so don’t make promises you can’t keep.

    You’re confusing Eddie Mabo’s personal situation with the effect of the Mabo decision which had nothing to do with ability to travel within Australia or to nearby islands.

    The Mabo decision is terrible, Judicial activism at it worst. It creates a new category of title not recognised by Common Law, native title. But before we go into that and since you’re so concerned about Eddie Mabo consider the HC Judgement was in response to a QLD SC Judgement which among other things looked at Eddie Mabo’s character and the things he asserted, including whether the government or other islanders prevented him from going there.

  22. Lysander

    I dunno; I quite admired Willisee for his conversion to Catholicism against the wishes and the with the persecution of all of his peers in the champagne class.

  23. Boambee John

    struth at 1256

    Numbers believes FORCED voting is democracy.
    Well, he would, wouldn’t he.

    Not quite so keen on forced defence of democracy?

  24. C.L.

    Germaine Greer was pretty sexy in her day.

    Mike Willesse saved us from John Hewson and for that he has my eternal gratitude.

    Absolutely.

  25. JC

    Try getting into Arnhem land

    Yep, appalling.

    Struth, The point I was making is that Eddie and a few of his clan were refused permission to enter the land of their present family and their ancestors.

  26. struth

    Is Torres straight islands funded by Australian taxpayers?
    Mabo awarded no individual rights therefore enabling collectivist, or socialist control based on race.

    It spawned corruption on a grand scale, and misery and early death for thousands.
    It is race based law.

  27. None

    At senior level – EL2 and above – the representation is almost exactly reversed.

    Be grateful for small mercies.

  28. Top Ender

    Pyne is only resigning to get the submarines named after him – the Pyne class.

    Names so far:

    HMAS Pyne-o-Kleen
    HMAS Pineapple
    HMAS Pine-away
    HMAS Pinecone
    HMAS Bristlepine
    HMAS Pine4theFiords

    Rumour has the next six will be named after some of his descendants, as they will only be in the water from 2050 onwards.

    Solar and wind powered submarines.

    Obviously.

  29. Oive spent time on Thursday Island. Anyone else?

  30. None

    The Mabo decsion was buried in a two line notice in about page 12 of the Australian. It took about a year for the luvvies to cotton on that they could make a motza out of it.

  31. None

    Tim Blair’s photo caption for yesterday’s chatterbox is one of his best.

  32. Lysander

    Pyne “doing the submarine” does not evoke a pleasant image.

  33. Helen

    How fucking dare any Australian authority refuse permission for any Australian to travel within Australia.

    JC the permit system applies across Australia, where we have to get a permit to go onto Aboriginal land. How is this different?

  34. None

    Given Pyne etc are resigning Morrison should reshuffle now and bring back Abbott. (Give him defense?) But that leaves the cowards on the back bench white anting.

  35. JC

    The Mabo decision is terrible, Judicial activism at it worst

    Really, to recognize a reasonable claim to land in common law. That’s what Mabo conferred.

    The problem is that there’s always some form of aboriginal tourettes breaking here most days, so it makes it difficult to separate that irrational hatred from fair criticism of the decision.

    So tell us, if a people have a reasonable claim to Commonwealth land what are your complaints?

  36. Leigh Lowe

    This has been a red letter day for wrongology on the Cat.
    The pseudo-vet and mUnter were giving each other reach-arounds that Literally-Hitler Trump would be gone before lunch and the spud-peeler was calling “one down, one to go” on Netanyahu.
    Not 8 hours have passed and what do we find?

    Soy-boy Justin Trudeau’s former AG puts on the 120kg suicide vest, walks into Parliament gives Justin a big hug …. BOOOOOOM!

    Numbers take on the demise of a fellow fan of Cuban communism will be interesting.
    (I lie … it won’t be at all interesting).

  37. struth

    Struth, The point I was making is that Eddie and a few of his clan were refused permission to enter the land of their present family and their ancestors.

    Two wrongs don’t make a right.

    More whites have been kicked off their ancestral lands based on unsubstantiated Mabo claims than blacks from their lands.

    Stations run for generations, now left to ruin.
    Stations were only leased land, so as soon as the lease was up, it wasn’t renewed, it became crown land and instantly under claim, (by competing aboriginal groups who all had no claim except verbal bullshit)

    Mabo was a disaster for Australia and separated people based on race and set up a massive land grab based on no more than calling yourself “Aunty ” somebody and proclaiming yourself as an “elder”.

    It has been an absolute disaster on the same Level as Whitlam’s government on Australia in it’s entirety.

    But hey, that’s just my opinion.

  38. cohenite

    Really, to recognize a reasonable claim to land in common law. That’s what Mabo conferred.

    No it didn’t you idiot. There is no Native Title in Common Law; the HC invented NT out of it’s arse, contradicting the QLD SC’s detailed analysis about what a shyster Mabo was.

    Talk about something you know about, put up some real estate porn.

  39. None

    Germaine Greer was pretty sexy in her day.

    C.L. you find that freakish grandpa-bonking burkhini botox balloon semi-alcoholic bong-toking Nigella attractive. You’d find more class at the local D&D ball.

  40. Lysander

    Hendo should be a craker this arvo Cats.

    However, I’m a little torn. I wholeheartedly think Pell is innocent but Michael Jackson is guilty…

    What to do?

  41. JC

    JC the permit system applies across Australia, where we have to get a permit to go onto Aboriginal land. How is this different?

    I think you can contrast it, Helen. I’m not sure I agree with it, but you could argue rights of entry doesn’t apply to private property and native title could be considered a hybrid between private property ( my home) and public land such as airport for instance.

    We can argue semantics, but you either believe some aboriginals have a native title claim to particular land or you don’t. I tend to think the Torres strait Islanders did have a pretty strong claim.

  42. It [mabo] has been an absolute disaster …

    Yep. Places I know that were sh1tholes before it, are deeper and wider sh1tholes now.

  43. JC

    the HC invented NT out of it’s arse

    Just like the British government invented Terra Nullus, right?

  44. stackja

    Lawyer X Nicola Gobbo.

  45. Visit the strait JC. It might influence your armchair view.

  46. JC

    Yep. Places I know that were sh1tholes before it, are deeper and wider sh1tholes now.

    That’s why the libertarian argument has always been private title. Private title rights what should have been offered.

  47. JMH

    Nicola Gobbo – a member of the ALP – how extraordinary!

  48. JC

    Visit the strait JC. It might influence your armchair view.

    What would be the purpose… to view a bunch of people poverty and squalor?

    Frankly, I don’t give a rats arse how they live as it’s their problem.

  49. JMH

    Nicola Gobbo – a member of the ALP. How fascinating!

  50. There are plenty of regions in Australia that show no evidence of humans prior to European arrival.
    Should their descendants be granted native title rights?

  51. pete m

    What kind of name is Gobbo? How the hell do people end up with such surnames. Parody.

  52. struth

    Trouble with people like Eddie and other activists is they want to go everywhere, get funding from Australia, and sit back on land they’ve claimed as if it’s some sort of separate country.

    If you want Eddie to have his traditional lands, why do we have to fund it.

    Here’s a case in point, and the reason I brought up Arnhem Land.

    There you will find the closest the aboriginals came to winning against the whites if you like , in regards to Holding on to their land.
    It was made an aboriginal reserve in 1913 after the commonwealth took over the NT in 1911.
    It was too remote and too isolated and just to hard to live in and prosper.
    There were many aboriginal people as it is quite plentiful in beautiful fresh spring water and food.
    They have their land.
    It’s never been taken from them, they’ve never had to claim it back.
    But it’s based on race.
    We pay for everything.
    Everything.
    If it’s collectivist ownership , it’s a socialist country, because no one but the government reps and bureaucracy own anything.
    Mabo helped (it’s not the only thing) to create large areas (over 50 percent of the NT ) let alone elsewhere, of collectivist, socialist, land ownership.
    The corroptocrats keep their citizens as destitute as any Venezuela, and make sqillions doing deals with mining companies and getting billions from taxpayers.

    This is the reality of Mabo.
    Socialist destitution via race based, (collectivist) ownership.

  53. stackja

    Nicola’s father was Victorian governor.

  54. JC

    Rambler, this is a very stupid comment:

    There are plenty of regions in Australia that show no evidence of humans prior to European arrival.
    Should their descendants be granted native title rights?

    Just as Cronkite’s stupid argument that native title doesn’t exist in common law. It always has in English law.

  55. JMH

    Nicola was also a member of the ALP, it seems! How fascinating.

  56. struth

    Venezuela will collapse because no one will keep funding it , indefinitely.
    Socialist controlled Mabo lands will keep getting funded by what is basically another country.
    The Dumbistan outside it’s borders, which are far harder to get a visa for than many other countries you can go to.
    And just like commo, of socialist countries, when you do get your visa you will be told where you can go, where you can’t go, where you can stop, where you can alight a vehicle, etc.
    Based on the colour of your white skin.
    The skin colour that, mostly, pays for it all.

  57. Peter Castieau

    Lysander
    #2947566, posted on March 1, 2019 at 4:17 pm
    Hendo should be a craker this arvo Cats.

    Its up!

  58. Tailgunner

    Has Monty been in here to apologise for the M.Cohen debacle yet?
    Lol, those rakes just keep stretching into the distance in all directions!
    😀 😀
    Go Trump,you magnificent bastard!

  59. Notafan

    She is the cousin of a Melbourne barrister, Jeremy Gobbo QC. She is also the niece of the former Governor of Victoria Sir James Gobbo.

    Italian name. Went to Genazano.

    Money power a thrill a minute

  60. JMH

    From The Age and I won’t supply a link:

    She was at the centre of another media storm in 1996, when as a member of the ALP, Gobbo publicly claimed a Liberal staffer had forged letters purporting to be from Jeff Kennett.

  61. Mark A

    None
    #2947565, posted on March 1, 2019 at 4:17 pm

    C.L. you find that freakish grandpa-bonking burkhini botox balloon semi-alcoholic bong-toking Nigella attractive. You’d find more class at the local D&D ball.

    Steady on there, None!

  62. zyconoclast

    Women say they are suffering with smelly ‘KETO CROTCH’ as a result of following the low-carb regimen loved by stars like Gwyneth Paltrow and Jenna Jameson

    -The low-carb diet involves limiting the carbs consumed and instead filling up on food high in healthy fat and protein
    -But some women say the diet has caused ‘keto crotch’, which is a change in the odor emitted from the [email protected] due to the low-carb diet

  63. Boambee John

    JC at 1618

    I tend to think the Torres strait Islanders did have a pretty strong claim.

    From my limited understanding of the subject that seems correct. TSIs handed set plots of land between generations. It was a system of private family ownership.

    The HC then went all adventurous, having heard evidence only on the TSI system, and extended it across Australia without hearing any evidence of the mainland system.

    Keating, the Liars and the Demorats then legislated for communal title (which is not my understanding of the TSI system) across both TSI and the rest of the nation.

  64. cohenite

    Just like the British government invented Terra Nullus, right?

    They didn’t, the HC did.

    stupid argument that native title doesn’t exist in common law. It always has in English law.

    You’re such an idiot. The HC completely scrambled the existing Common Law (CL) distinction between settlement and conquering a new territory. NT could only exist if Australia was settled that is, Terra Nullus pre-existed the arrival of CL. Contrary to what nitwits like you think Terra Nullis applies not just to no one being here but primitive societies as defined by Blackstone. On that basis Australia was settled and NT cannot exist.

    But keep going knucklehead.

  65. Speedbox

    I expect there is something not a single Cat has considered in the past day or two. Now that we can say Pell and Gobbo, will nobody spare a thought for the Spaminator?

    Spaminators have feelings too and much of its raison d’etre has taken a beating lately. Some compassion please.

  66. Black Ball

    Re native title. I personally don’t see any benefit from this ruling. My own opinion of course but after this case, many areas were given to the Aboriginal communities for use, such as old farms. Housing commissions fell over themselves to get cheap housing to blacks. Needless to say, these farms have been neglected because no one wants to do that work and the houses have fallen into disrepair because of the tennants being less than gracious to their surroundings. Particularly when the area is a slum, alcohol rife and blues everywhere.

  67. Percy Popinjay

    What would be the purpose… to view a bunch of people in poverty and squalor?

    Yeah, but it’s a cheerful squalor.

  68. C.L. you find that freakish grandpa-bonking burkhini botox balloon semi-alcoholic bong-toking Nigella attractive. You’d find more class at the local D&D ball.

    Congratulations None, in a very tough field, you have earned the weekly prize for Stupidest Comment On Catallaxy Files.

  69. zyconoclast

    There are many of these in Australia

    Senate investigators warn of Chinese state-run centers at more than 100 U.S. colleges

    China’s government “controls nearly every aspect” of the Confucius Institutes, according to a new, bipartisan report.

  70. Percy Popinjay

    Spaminators have feelings too and much of its raison d’etre has taken a beating lately. Some compassion please.

    What – before it takes its revenge and goes all skynet on us, by banning anything and everything we try to post?

  71. zyconoclast

    They are not sending their best…

    NYPD: MS-13 Planning To Target Off-Duty Cops At Their Homes

    The bulletin says that the gang members would carry out the attacks on off-duty officers “in order to gain street credibility.”

  72. JC

    They didn’t, the HC did.

    Stop. Stop now! Stop doing conveyancing as you have no fucking idea, Cronkite.

    The term, Terra nullus has been around since Roman times. Claim of land belonging to the English soverign rests on this principle.

    I want to lodge an objection to have your law license revoked on the grounds of stupidity.

  73. cohenite

    One of the great mischiefs of Mabo is that it confounded 2 fundamentally different cultures: mainland aboriginals and the TS islanders who like the New Guinea natives had limited agriculture which the aboriginals did not.

    The NT regime has also added $billions to development costs and consolidated power and wealth to the upper echelons of aboriginals and their hanger oners. Furthermore the great majority of NT claims are on sold to developers making a mockery of the HC intention to give land back to the aboriginals.

    NT has however has had it’s amusing side with the Victorian heritage Newcastle Post Office being subject to a successful NT claim.

    NT makes as much sense as head prefect when he’s not opining about real estate and shares.

  74. calli

    From this week’s MWD:

    As Waleed Aly, a Pell antagonist, acknowledges in his column in today’s Sydney Morning Herald:

    …I read how John Howard gave George Pell a character reference and how Tony Abbott called him as a friend once news broke of his conviction. To be clear, I don’t begrudge these things. Character references are a normal part of the legal process after conviction and I certainly don’t believe in castigating those who provide them….

    Now that is interesting.

  75. None

    Pell, Gobbo, EMV deputy commissioner, staff stood down in bombshell probe

    Victoria’s deputy emergency management commissioner and other senior figures have been stood down amid a bombshell probe into the inappropriate disclosure of confidential information.

    What happened to that election rorts investigation too?

  76. cohenite

    The term, Terra nullus has been around since Roman times. Claim of land belonging to the English soverign rests on this principle.

    No doubt nitwit; and how did the HC apply it.

  77. None

    Isn’t it just, Calli. Who got a character reference for Waleed having your legs blown off and your kids decapitated by a Muslim terrorist is only a minor irritant Aly I wonder?

  78. Speedbox

    (in low conspiratorial tones) Careful Percy, the Spaminator is watching and looking for the slightest prompt to unleash. Best to just smile and wave.

    (in a loud voice) Don’t be silly Percy, the Spaminator is our friend.

  79. Geriatric Mayfly

    Ah Ha! Hendo sates my curiosity.

    Since Dr Waller is the legal advocate for the man who gave evidence against Cardinal Pell – it would seem to me that a proper balance would be to invite someone who has given legal advice to the Pell team.

    Trust Viv to be in the thick of it. The stereotypical lezzo, besotted with matters sexual. How many of these wimminzes there are, who make it a life’s labour to sniff around the gutters to traduce men.

  80. zyconoclast

    WHO’S A J3W? RABBINICAL COURTS DEMAND DNA TEST TO PROVE JVDAISM – REPORT

    Couples from the Soviet Union were asked by rabbinical courts to take DNA tests in order to prove their J3wish heritage, an NGO who advocates for J3ws within Israeli religious bureaucratic systems claimed.

  81. JC

    One of the great mischiefs of Mabo is that it confounded 2 fundamentally different cultures: mainland aboriginals and the TS islanders who like the New Guinea natives had limited agriculture which the aboriginals did not.

    The NT regime has also added $billions to development costs and consolidated power and wealth to the upper echelons of aboriginals and their hanger oners. Furthermore the great majority of NT claims are on sold to developers making a mockery of the HC intention to give land back to the aboriginals.

    NT has however has had it’s amusing side with the Victorian heritage Newcastle Post Office being subject to a successful NT claim.

    NT makes as much sense as head prefect when he’s not opining about real estate and shares.

    More irrelevant nonsense. The Mabo case reached a decision that the islanders had a legitimate claim to the land. How do you find fault with that?

    Go!

    We’re well aware of the legislative mess that was and continues to be created. But you’re a big government guy and don’t mind government intervention.

    I’ve seen a lot of squid ink being sprayed around and lots of irrelevant nonsense, but I’ve yet to see why you believe the Torres Strait should stayed in government hands.

  82. I give up on the previous topic.

    What happened to that election rorts investigation too?

    VikPol asked MPs to roll up for an interview.
    MPs refused.
    VikPol said that’s ok.
    And charged one non-MP sacrificial goat.

  83. None

    That’s just outrageous, rambler, but VicPol prosecuting this is just as outrageous.

  84. calli

    Well it can only be one of

    – Aly is not a herd creature
    – Aly realises the importance of character references and doesn’t want blow-back if he is required to give one for a (guess who)

  85. Percy Popinjay

    Anyone running a book on when lawyer Gobbo experiences a “mysterious fatal event”?

  86. LNP Insider

    I have news on the Ciobo succession, but unsure how it will be received if I state it.

  87. None

    That entire section in today’s Hendo needs quoting. So here is a bigger slab where he takes down Hadley and his new found respect from the usual suspects:

    Ray Hadley’s comment contains errors.

    ▪ The judge who made the comment concerning George Pell did so on account of the fact that the jury reached a verdict of guilty. That’s all. If George Pell wins on appeal, the same judge would not make this statement. To suggest otherwise is misleading and indicates a misunderstanding of criminal law.

    ▪ The reason there is a court of appeal in criminal cases turns on the fact that juries sometimes make mistakes. For example, in 1921 a jury in Victoria found Colin Campbell Ross guilty of rape and murder of a twelve year old girl. Ross was hanged at Melbourne Gaol soon after. He always maintained his innocence. The late Mr Ross received a posthumous pardon 87 years later.

    ▪ It is incorrect for Ray Hadley to say that there are living “victims” of George Pell. There is only one such “victim”. The other person died before Pell was charged – having told a family member that he had never been sexually assaulted by anyone. To refer to living victims is to imply falsely that George Pell is somehow responsible for the crimes of others.

    ▪ It is ridiculous to suggest that because someone does not believe a complainant or victim that this means he or she is a “liar”. Sure, some complainants lie – as was demonstrated in the ACT Supreme Court recently. Moreover others have memories of events which never happened. Then there are fantasists – as was demonstrated in Britain when the claims of “Nic”, who claimed to have been sexually assaulted as a child by high profile individuals, fell apart. And then there are many truthful complainants and victims.

    Memory is complicated. Take the view of two Australian sisters – Melbourne based Doris Brett and New York based Lily Brett. In 1997, Lily Brett wrote an autobiography titled In Full View. It covered her time growing up in Melbourne. In 2001, Doris Brett published her own memoirs titled Eating the Underworld. It discredits Lily Brett’s depiction of their mother as a depressive who sometimes screamed all night and was cruel.

    One mother. Two daughters. Two different memories. There is no evidence that either daughter is lying. But one, almost certainly, has a memory of events that never happened.

    ▪ As Waleed Aly, a Pell antagonist, acknowledges in his column in today’s Sydney Morning Herald:

    …I read how John Howard gave George Pell a character reference and how Tony Abbott called him as a friend once news broke of his conviction. To be clear, I don’t begrudge these things. Character references are a normal part of the legal process after conviction and I certainly don’t believe in castigating those who provide them….

    In making his comments on Messers Howard and Abbott, Ray Hadley was out of his depth. MWD says this – with respect, of course,

  88. zyconoclast

    WHO’S A J00W? RABBINICAL COURTS DEMAND DNA TEST TO PROVE JVVDAISM – REPORT

    Couples from the Soviet Union were asked by rabbinical courts to take DNA tests in order to prove their J00wish heritage, an NGO who advocates for J00ws within Israeli religious bureaucratic systems claimed.

    “This is discrimination against immigrants from the former Soviet Union – and a smokescreen,” [email protected] Dr. Seth Farber, the founder of the non-profit Itim, told the H3br3w website Ynet.

    Farber has threatened to petition the High Court of Justice, according to the report.

  89. cohenite

    Go!

    Idiot.

    How do you find fault with that?

    I’ve explained you cretin. You tell us: does NT depend on Australia being settled or conquered?

  90. None

    Has Ciobo definitely resigned, Insider? And talk of “succession” demonstrates again why I will never vote Liberals again.

  91. Speedbox

    Apparently Gobbo has refused Police protection (possibly because she now fears them as well) but the Court documents argued that without protection the likelihood of near-term death was very high.

    I’m not convinced. Those crims who were convicted and she was their lawyer would want her alive to demonstrate her complicity and that subsequently, the conviction is tainted.

  92. Notafan

    He is a Sunni Muslim and was educated at Wesley College. He completed the International Baccalaureate at Wesley in 1996, and then studied at the University of Melbourne, graduating with Bachelor of Engineering (Chemical) and Bachelor of Laws (with honours) degrees in 2002.

    There you go

    Waleed using his law degree

  93. JMH

    Anyone running a book on when lawyer Gobbo experiences a “mysterious fatal event”?
    Percy – won’t happen until a crapload of crims are released. Whilst they are still incarcerated they want her ALIVE.

  94. None

    doesn’t want blow-back since he has been if he is required to give one for a (guess who)

    FIFY

  95. JC

    Idiot.

    Yes,. apology accepted.

    I’ve explained you cretin. You tell us: does NT depend on Australia being settled or conquered?

    It not that simple to choose a binary option. Of course most of it was settled, but there were spots that were conquered – Torries Strait being one example. The islands were simply annexed. Complexity is problematic for you.

  96. None

    Those crims who were convicted and she was their lawyer would want her alive to demonstrate her complicity and that subsequently, the conviction is tainted.

    Yep. Money on she gets topped after they get dropped.

  97. Speedbox

    Russia Today

    By passing a draft law on its Internet, Russia isn’t isolating itself from the rest of the world but is making sure that national networks don’t go down if they are disconnected from the outside, Kaspersky Lab co-founder told RT.

    The bill, officially called the Digital Economy National Program, requires Russia’s Internet providers to ensure they can operate even if foreign powers try to take the country offline. Western mainstream media and Russian opposition pundits rushed to accuse the government of building a “sovereign Internet,” similar to what China has built over the years.

    But the reality is far more complex, explained Natalya Kasperskaya, a cybersecurity expert and co-founder of world-renowned Kaspersky Lab. She said the proposed legislation is getting misrepresented in the media.

    “The law has two components. The first one is to ensure that the Internet stays operational if it is shut down from the outside,” she told RT. “There is such a possibility, and we are not quite prepared for that.”

    The second part of the law, Kasperskaya said, merely equips the Russian authorities with the necessary technical tools to tackle the challenges arising from potential attacks on national computer networks.

  98. Police protection in Viktoristan

    Hah!

    Warning: Police protection may be hazardous to your health.

  99. Mark A

    zyconoclast
    #2947625, posted on March 1, 2019 at 5:04 pm

    WHO’S A J00W? RABBINICAL COURTS DEMAND DNA TEST TO PROVE JVVDAISM – REPORT

    Quite rightly so.
    Just look at the benefit. Can’t have just anyone claiming.

    A J**w died and since he was a sinner in his life he is sent to hell.
    – Just go through that corridor to the elevator and press the lowest button. – said the angel of death to him.
    So he goes into the elevator, presses the lowest button that says “J**wish Hell”. The elevator starts to descend. He hears screams from all of the floors as he passes, the smell of sulphur, the smoke through the door slits fills the elevator. Finally, the elevator gets to the lowest floor and stops. The door opens, this person comes out into a lush green crop field that is being irrigated. The sky is blue and sunny. Far on the horizon, there’s a modern city with white tall skyscrapers. A field worker (Kibbutznik) on a tractor drives by him. – Is this the J**wish hell? – the J**w asks the tractorist. – Hell? Oh yea, you should have seen it seventy years ago.

  100. None

    Why do prison doctors want to move Pell?

  101. JMH

    Nicola’s life expectancy: Addition to my comment above. The Police on the other hand ……

  102. None

    Whoah both channel 9 and the Guariand reporting Pell’s appeal “likely” to be granted. Yeah and they are likely to be sued anyway.

  103. None

    Mr Richter has laid out three grounds for appeal: unreasonableness, the rejection of a graphic he wanted to use in the trial, and the way the jury was constituted.

    Melbourne Law School’s criminal appeals and procedure expert, Professor Jeremy Gans, said Pell’s appeal could be successful on the basis of unreasonableness.

    “No-one can make any definite predictions, but I think Pell’s appeal has a good chance of succeeding,” he told nine.com.au.

    “That’s because appeal courts in Australia can allow an appeal if they think that the jury ought to have had a reasonable doubt, after allowing for the fact that the jury saw the evidence and the appeal court didn’t.”

    Possible career ending move for Professor Gans giving a considered opinion.

  104. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    I refuse to watch spew&A but will watch peterson

  105. cohenite

    It not that simple to choose a binary option.

    Yes it is; Terra Nullis either applies or it doesn’t; and MABO applies to both the TS islands and the mainland yet you’re saying they’re different.

    You’re different.

  106. Notafan

    Is that the latest None?

    Had knee surgery in December and has a dodgy heart

    Would be dreadful publicity if he won his appeal after dying in prison

  107. None

    The Guardian:

    Pell’s defence barrister, Robert Richter, told the sentencing hearing on Wednesday that his client’s appeal would be based on three key grounds: unreasonableness, the prohibition of video evidence in the closing address, and composition of the jury.

    Experts spoken to by Guardian Australia agreed that while the latter two appeared flimsy, an appeal on the basis of unreasonableness may have a high chance of success. This argument says the jury delivered a verdict that was not supported by the evidence.

    University of Melbourne law school’s criminal appeals and procedure expert, Professor Jeremy Gans, said this was a commonly used grounds for appeal.

    “Prosecutors would be completely prepared for an appeal based on this,” he said.

    “And it’s not a rare grounds to succeed on. This is the defence’s best shot and carries a bonus for them in that if they win there can almost certainly be no new trial. Because once a court decides a guilty verdict is unreasonable it means they don’t think guilty should be the verdict in the next trial either. They would almost certainly acquit. Basically on this grounds of appeal, the court gets to decide if the jury got it right.”

    Richter will also argue that the defence should have been allowed to play a video animation to jurors during the closing address. In the trial, Richter told chief judge Peter Kidd the animation showed the St Patrick’s cathedral floor plan and dots depicting the movements of Pell, the choir boys, altar servers and other witnesses during and after Sunday solemn mass.

    Kidd did not allow it to be shown on the grounds that jurors might view the video as evidence and fact, and new evidence is not allowed to be introduced during a closing address. Richter believed the video would demonstrate how impossible it would have been for Pell to be left alone after mass long enough to offend.

    “In most cases the judge wouldn’t care and would say, ‘Show your stupid video’,” Gans said. “But the law in Victoria isn’t clear on the use of visual aids during closing, and ultimately it’s a matter of discretion for the judge, who did allow Richter to use a PowerPoint demonstration but not the video animation.

    “Even if an appeal court thought the judge should have allowed the animation, it would be incredibly unlikely for the court to then order for a conviction to be squashed on the basis of this. Errors are made in trials all the time and appeals courts can’t order retrials on every mistake. They are looking for an actual miscarriage of justice.”

    The final grounds Richter will appeal on is the composition of the jury. Gans said this could mean several things. As an example, defence lawyers may have learned that a juror knew one of the victim’s family members, or that a juror had been sexually assaulted and therefore held a prejudiced view.

    Let me say I heard rumours about certain shenanigans concerning the selection of the second jury last year so it will be interesting to hear the appeal case.

  108. None

    It’s the headling in the Hun, nota but I can’t see the article in full. It could be lefty swine having a hissy fit.

  109. None

    What was the name of that bovine QandA socialist again? Love the quiver in her voice when Peterson paid her out for her rudeness.

    Hey fat lady: anyone who can’t control what goes into or out of their mouth is in no position to dictate to the rest of the world how to behave.

  110. None

    On seeing that vid again and hearing Tony Jones parrot the question I can’t help thinking the ABC had a hand in phrasing it. Good dog booboo. Sit. Woof.

  111. Snoopy

    incoherent rambler
    #2947555, posted on March 1, 2019 at 4:08 pm
    Oive spent time on Thursday Island. Anyone else?

    Yes, But only nine years.

  112. thefrollickingmole

    How the blood pressure?

    A bit low.
    This should fix it.

    Warmenist doctor complaining older people are dying from the heat, missing is any mention of power prices making air conditioning prohibitively expensive..


    My older patients suffer most during hotter and longer heatwaves
    Marianne Cannon
    On the third day of a heatwave we typically see droves of elders in hospital

    This year was different. The heatwaves were hotter and longer, the overnight temperatures soared. They have already sweltered for many more days than in the past, and both take tablets for heart problems. No surprises that they have had a few “dizzy spells” in the heat. One was almost hospitalised.

    Australia breaks weather records with hottest ever summer
    Read more
    So, as previously they went with fans and a wet cloth in the hot part of the third day of several heatwaves – a strategy similar to what we use in hospital when people with heat stroke need active cooling. Many of their friends feel the same and are reluctant to buy an appliance they have managed without for 80 plus years. Unfortunately they are now in one of the vulnerable population groups who really suffer – and end up in hospital – during these heatwaves we are seeing more frequently. Other vulnerable groups are their smaller grandchildren, athletes, outdoor workers and people with mental illness to name a few.

  113. None

    The smear merchants at Crikey already arguing that even an appeal overturn won’t help Pell.

    Also the Vatican has opened their own investigation after all, apparently according to “new canon law” but I don’t trust the source of that report so that would need confirmation.

  114. Snoopy

    It not that simple to choose a binary option. Of course most of it was settled, but there were spots that were conquered – Torries Strait being one example. The islands were simply annexed. Complexity is problematic for you.

    Where was Cook standing when he claimed the East coast for the Crown?

  115. thefrollickingmole

    If its still lowish try this crap sandwich.

    The inconsistencies of George Pell’s defenders just display their power
    Richard Cooke

    It pretty well boils down to “other priests offended, therefore Pell must have”…

    The jury did not buy Robert Richter’s very expensive defence, but for Pell’s defenders it has become an article of faith. And that faith needs miracles: cloth that is immovable, slits that are at the same time not an “opening”, schoolboys incapable of dodging authority, rope that cannot be untied, abuse that is either reported in an instant or never existed.

    When this is the response even to a conviction, you know why victims fear they will be disbelieved and discredited. That fear is correct, warranted and will be made stronger than ever before by this disgrace.

    So what about Pell’s case is implausible, or even unusual? For anyone willing to look, it is almost humdrum, once compared to the vast, prolific compendium of international crime his institution has compiled.

  116. Snoopy

    The Battle of Waiben is one of the most important in Australian colonial history.

  117. JC

    Yes it is; Terra Nullis either applies or it doesn’t; and MABO applies to both the TS islands and the mainland yet you’re saying they’re different.

    Cronkers, try to have a reasonable discussion without being a defensive doofus all the time.

    You asked me if I thought Australia was settled or conquered. I said that it’s not simple to choose either because a bit of both occurred. I don’t mean this is a strict legalistic sense, but more observational in terms of what really occurred.

    Focus, just on Mabo. Do you think the Islanders had a case for some form of self determination and a right to the land or not?

    Also, you haven’t answered my earlier question, which I’m sure was an oversight by you rather than ignoring it for being too hard.

  118. C.L.

    I actually suspect Waleed Aly doesn’t believe the Pell verdict.
    Good for him, anyway, for being rational.

  119. Old School Conservative

    None
    #2947494, posted on March 1, 2019 at 3:03 pm
    John Howard’s character reference for Pell is magnificent

    …and Ray Hadley’s listeners were emailing him many, many times today to tell him exactly that.
    He got quite frustrated.

  120. Dr Faustus

    Easy to see why Pyne would do a runner. In 2016 he suffered a 10% swing against in first preferences, cleverly converting a safe Liberal seat into a marginal one.

    Hard yards? Fuck off: you don’t have to do that when you’re in the Winners’ Circle.

    Ciobo is different. He picked up 3% first preferences in 2016 and holds the seat with a comfortable 15% 2PP margin. So, obviously, there will be a conga line of greasy-faced opportunists lined up to take his place in Moncrieff.

  121. Snoopy

    JC, you’re obviously on top of things. How was the legal status of the Northern Territory different to the Territory of Papua?

  122. JC

    What was the name of that bovine QandA socialist again?

    Kath Larkin . She’s a member of the Socialist Alternative. Of course, their ABC knew her background but didn’t inform the viewers.

    Look up the fat slob.

  123. Helen

    Here is that grub you were talking about none, found in the Age

    couldnt find a word in the Oz. Not detail, anyhow.

  124. Geriatric Mayfly

    Other vulnerable groups are their smaller grandchildren, athletes, outdoor workers and people with mental illness to name a few.

    I feel a song coming on: ‘ Mad dogs and Englishmen go out in the noonday sun…’

  125. calli

    There you go

    Waleed using his law degree

    Understood.

    I was just curious as to why he would buy into it at all. He’s usually quite adept at avoiding unwelcome comment.

  126. zyconoclast

    Cuckservatives strike again. Why bother getting rid of Trudeau.

    Court dismisses charter challenge against Ontario sex-ed curriculum

    TORONTO — An Ontario court dismissed a challenge Thursday from elementary teachers and a civil liberties group over the Progressive Conservative government’s repeal of a modernized sex-ed curriculum.

    The challenge from the Elementary Teachers’ Federation of Ontario and the Canadian Civil Liberties Association argued that changes made by the government infringed teachers’ freedom of expression and put students at risk by failing to be inclusive.

    The Tories repealed a 2015 curriculum from the previous Liberal government that included lessons warning about online bullying and sexting, as well as parts addressing same-sex relationships and gender identity.

    A Divisional Court ruling released Thursday said that it is the role of elected officials, not the courts, to make legislation and policy decisions.

    Government lawyers said teachers were allowed to go beyond what is in the new curriculum, the court noted, and there was no evidence of a teacher being disciplined for doing that. Schools are currently using an interim curriculum based on a version from 1998.

    “Nothing in the (interim) curriculum prohibits a teacher from teaching any of the topics in question, which include: consent, use of proper names to describe body parts, gender identity and sexual orientation, online behaviour and cyberbullying, sexually transmitted diseases and infections,” the three-judge panel wrote.

  127. JC

    JC, you’re obviously on top of things. How was the legal status of the Northern Territory different to the Territory of Papua?

    What’s your point?

  128. calli

    Good dog booboo. Sit. Woof.

    You treasure, you. Had me in stitches.

  129. calli

    and Ray Hadley’s listeners were emailing him many, many times today to tell him exactly that.
    He got quite frustrated.

    Ray may be starting to suspect that he needs better quality friends.

  130. JC

    Snoopy

    After a time, both the NT and Papua were seen to have a right to self determination. Obviously is one more than than other.

  131. egg_

    I actually suspect Waleed Aly doesn’t believe the Pell verdict.

    Something’s rotten in Denmark, even to Squalid’s nose?

  132. John Constantine

    Voting with the feet.

    Got friends from the old days from the islands. Wanna catch up with them, you gotta find out if they are in Cairns or Townsville now. Queensland is the biggest Torres Strait island, with the biggest islander population.

  133. Snoopy

    Imagine if Gough had had his way and Murray (Mer) Island had been ceded, along with the Territory of Papua, to the nascent state of PNG.

  134. cohenite

    I don’t mean this is a strict legalistic sense, but more observational in terms of what really occurred.

    I knew it, head prefect was on board with Cook when he arrived; first hand knowledge wins every time.

    I can’t make it any simpler: the HC misapplied NT, basically invented a 3rd category between settlement and conquest blending the NT rights between the 2 on the basis of morality. There is a 3rd way not really considered in Mabo which is by cession or treaty which is why the activists today want a treaty. In addition as I said Mabo dealt only with islands but extrapolated from them to the mainland which had a different type of land-use and society. Legally it’s a mess and it remains as the basis for all the impetus of having 2 legal systems co-existing in this country which can only be detrimental.

    Now, I’m bored. Put up some real estate.

  135. zyconoclast

    Meghan Markle Has Told Friends She Wants to Avoid Gender Stereotypes with Baby Sussex
    It’s not entirely clear if Meghan and Prince Harry know whether they are having a boy or a girl, but either way, Meghan plans to pursue an empowering, modern parenting style.

  136. calli

    That Q&A head-tilty porker didn’t like the idea of “personal responsibility”.

    Her responser to such a sensible answer – mock. Zero self-awareness.

    I wonder if she still looks good to her friends?

  137. Snoopy

    In addition as I said Mabo dealt only with islands but extrapolated from them to the mainland which had a different type of land-use and society.

    The Mabo case actually only related to the Eastern Torres Strait islands which are culturally different to the rest of the Torres Strait.

  138. calli

    Meghan plans to pursue an empowering, modern parenting style.

    The Lord is merciful. GB has two heirs and two spares.

  139. calli

    Yikes! Make that three.

    I forgot Charles.

  140. JC

    Imagine if Gough had had his way and Murray (Mer) Island had been ceded, along with the Territory of Papua, to the nascent state of PNG.

    Honestly, wouldn’t it have saved us some money over time?

  141. Snoopy

    Honestly, wouldn’t it have saved us some money over time?

    Ya think?

  142. zyconoclast

    Tesla to start selling cut-price Model 3, shifts sales to online only

    Tesla said on Thursday it would offer a $US35,000 ($49,300) version of its Model 3 sedan with a delivery time of two to four weeks, while closing many of its retail stores worldwide.

  143. Black Ball

    Watching Channel 7 and apparently the Gobbo unmasking will set back relationship between the public and the law profession back several years. I already thought this was achieved.

  144. C.L.

    The smear merchants at Crikey already arguing that even an appeal overturn won’t help Pell.

    Just read the piece written by Michael Bradley (managing partner at Marque Lawyers).
    He’s saying – LOL – that True Conservatives would not challenge the Pell verdict but would accept it as a manifestation of the rule of law.

    Who is Michael Bradley, you might ask, and how serious is he about Da Wule of Lor?

    Lawyers Weekly, November 2013: Black Marque against firm head.

    The High Court has found Marque Lawyers’ managing partner Michael Bradley acted in a way that flies in the face of a lawyer’s ethical obligations.

    On 6 November the High Court ruled against Marque in a case involving 13 documents that it received from Norton Rose Fulbright (NRF).

    Marque inadvertently received the documents from NRF in October 2011 as part of a package of around 60,000 documents in relation to a litigation matter that pits the one-office Sydney firm against the global behemoth.

    Marque is acting for Armstrong Strategic Management and Marketing (Armstrong) in a long-running dispute against Expense Reductions Analyst Group (ERA), represented by NRF, after a consultancy agreement between the two companies broke down.

    NRF argued the documents were the subject of client legal privilege, and they had been inadvertently disclosed contrary to its client’s instructions.

    When NRF Sydney-based partner Stephen Klotz asked for the documents back, Marque, under the instructions of Bradley, refused to return them.

    Part of Bradley’s reasoning was that by sending through the documents any privilege attaching to them had been waived.

    The High Court, in a unanimous judgment from a partial bench of five justices, took a dim view of the behaviour of Marque and Bradley (pictured).

    The High Court Cited Rule 31 of the Australian Solicitors’ Conduct Rules, which deal with the duty of a solicitor to return material where disclosure was inadvertent. In appealing to the better nature of lawyers, the High Court said such a rule should not be necessary in order to avoid unnecessary court costs and delays.

    “It is an example of the professional, ethical obligations of legal practitioners supporting the objectives of the proper administration of justice,” the High Court said.

    The hypocrisy of these dickheads is beyond parody.

  145. Dr Faustus

    The Lord is merciful. GB has two heirs and two spares.

    More merciful yet, the UK has an heir and four spares before Mz Markle has any influence on a future monarch.

  146. Mark from Melbourne

    A true hero has died…

    H/T Insty

  147. Stimpson J. Cat

    the local D&D ball.

    There’s a Dungeons & Dragons Ball?

    I never knew that.

    You learn something everyday on Catallaxy.

    Just fantastic.

  148. John Constantine

    Few Torres Strait islands on the New Guinea side of the maritime border, but the inhabitants choose to be Australians.

    Makes slipping a tinny full of contraband from PNG into Australia not much of a challenge.

  149. JC

    At the margin, it would have, sure. We’re currently spending upwards of $30 billion on the aboriginal industry and because these islanders remain Australian they get a share of the loot – essentially coming from where the bulk of Australia’s GDP is created – the two large southern states.

    There are ~500,000 people who claimed aboriginal heritage so there’s $60,000 being spent per head.

    Handing over cash to NG is terrible, but it’s nowhere near this amount of wasted loot. So yea, I think we’d save money. You don’t don’t?

  150. zyconoclast

    Climate change expert sentenced to 32 months for fraud, says lying was a ‘rush’

    The EPA’s highest-paid employee and a leading expert on climate change was sentenced to 32 months in federal prison Wednesday for lying to his bosses and saying he was a CIA spy working in Pakistan so he could avoid doing his real job.

    Beale said he was ashamed of his lies about working for the CIA, a ruse that, according to court records, began in 2000 and continued until early this year.

  151. JC

    Few Torres Strait islands on the New Guinea side of the maritime border, but the inhabitants choose to be Australians.

    Of course they do. See the loot split above.

  152. John Constantine

    Same people, same diseases, but a ten minute boat trip between PNG and the islands makes the difference between first world treatment and pot luck.

    Quarantine if foot and mouth gets into indonesian papua will be an island time challenge.

  153. Stimpson J. Cat

    Other vulnerable groups are their smaller grandchildren, athletes, outdoor workers and people with mental illness to name a few.

    That’s right.
    And my head is also very vulnerable to the sun if I don’t wear a hat.

    True story.

  154. egg_

    I wonder if she still looks good to her friends?

    Fugly to the bone.

  155. Bruce of Newcastle

    Nine News: Mike Willesee smashing John Hewson in the GST election.
    I flip channels…
    ABC24 News: John Hewson opining on Pyne.
    Surreal that Hewson’s still on the ABC’s petting zoo Liberal list after so long.

  156. calli

    Faustus.

    Charlie
    William
    George
    Charlotte
    Bubba Louis

    Three direct line heirs plus two spares. Just andifferent way of looking at it.

  157. dover_beach

    From thefrollickingmole’s link above:

    Those files also find priests who raped children not just in the sacristy but at the altar. They molested children not only in public but in front of their own family members, sometimes in the same moving car. They raped them while wearing vestments, not only orally but anally as well.

    We are asked to believe that Pell orally raped two boys in the sacristy he caught sipping altar wine that is typically locked away, having slipped away from the choral group unnoticed, in full vestments in full view of any passersby in the corridor having himself slipped away from the procession in his first or second solemn Mass following his appointment as Archbishop, in the midst of Advent with a packed congregation, as he is attended by cathedral staff, again unnoticed, only to return to the cathedral entrance to farewell the congregation in a space of time less than 10 mins. And we are asked by Cooke to believe this because one or other instance occurred in separate cases though never together or under a similar fact situation. What an idiot.

  158. egg_

    The EPA’s highest-paid employee and a leading expert on climate change was sentenced to 32 months in federal prison Wednesday for lying to his bosses and saying he was a CIA spy working in Pakistan so he could avoid doing his real job.

    Beyond parody.

  159. calli

    What is wrong with my keyboard?

    Many…many typos.

    I blame much…much birthday shiraz.

  160. John Constantine

    BARNABY JOYCE IS OPENING THE WIMMERA FIELD DAYS

    The opening of the Wimmera Field Days next Tuesday will be officiated by the Honourable Barnaby Joyce MP.

    Mr Joyce will be the guest of the committee and will attend a luncheon after touring the field days site.

    This will cause strokes and conniptions among their abc class.

    Comrades.

  161. Gab

    Michael Bradley

    A vile p.o.s. And I don’t say that lightly.

  162. egg_

    The EPA’s highest-paid employee and a leading expert on climate change was sentenced to 32 months in federal prison Wednesday for lying to his bosses and saying he was a CIA spy working in Pakistan so he could avoid doing his real job.

    Agent .007% CO2?

  163. Snoopy

    Makes slipping a tinny full of contraband from PNG into Australia not much of a challenge.

    It works both ways. We were anchored up at Turnagain Island one evening and a Pap dinghy on it’s way back to PNG turned up seeking treatment for a bloke who had stepped on a stonefish. The dinghy was carrying a pile of bicycles.

  164. Bruce of Newcastle

    Tesla to start selling cut-price Model 3, shifts sales to online only

    Death watch.

  165. Stimpson J. Cat

    Happy Birthday Calli!!!

  166. egg_

    BARNABY JOYCE IS OPENING THE WIMMERA FIELD DAYS

    Will he be strapped to a wind turbine blade?

  167. calli

    Ta Stimps.

    Don’t feel a day over 63.

  168. Stimpson J. Cat

    Death watch

    I warned you all about Tesla.
    Ha ha ha ha ja ha ja!!!!

  169. DrBeauGan

    egg_
    #2947702, posted on March 1, 2019 at 6:14 pm
    I wonder if she still looks good to her friends?

    Fugly to the bone.

    Yes. Life must be hard for a female as unattractive and stupid as she is. You wonder if she didn’t join the loser collective because it was her only hope of meeting guys too thick to recoil at her fugliness.

  170. Stimpson J. Cat

    Don’t feel a day over 63.

    You only look 52 to me.
    I’ve been hit before.
    😁

  171. calli

    I read that as Woomera.

    Strapped to a rocket would be a possibility.

    As an aside, if 60’s Australia was so racisty racist, why did we name our premier launch site after an Aboriginal throwing tool?

  172. DrBeauGan

    Happy birthday Calli. And many returns.

  173. DrBeauGan

    Spiky has told me she is 28. And will be 27 next year. I pass this on to Calli.

  174. Snoopy

    Handing over cash to NG is terrible, but it’s nowhere near this amount of wasted loot. So yea, I think we’d save money. You don’t don’t?

    If Gough had his way there’d be no Mabo. No $60k++ per year for the 2000 people who would otherwise be in PNG. Where’s the savings?

  175. zyconoclast

    REBUILDING NORTH QUEENSLAND’S LIVESTOCK INDUSTRY

    The Morrison Government is guaranteeing help for Queensland farmers, establishing the North Queensland Livestock Industry Recovery Agency.

    The Agency will be led by Shane Stone AC QC and report directly to the Prime Minister.

    Mr Stone will be supported by an advisory board that will include representatives of the northern cattle industry and local governments.

    The Agency will design, coordinate and deliver the long term plan for reconstructing the industry. It will assist in the design of programs to help with seed funding for fixing on-farm infrastructure like fences and water infrastructure and for restocking.

    It will provide advice to the Prime Minister on how existing and new Commonwealth policies and programs can best contribute to the reconstruction.

  176. Geriatric Mayfly

    I wonder if she still looks good to her friends?
    Fugly to the bone.

    But, did you catch a glimpse of the one on her right? Only a half profile as the camera had the good sense to freeze out the rest. With the shaved head, she looked like she had just emerged from the de-lousing facility. And the glasses only added to my suspicions, that she had wandered in from the commune.

  177. There being no difference between a small country parish church (presumably with no-one else present) and the main Sunday mass at a crowded cathedral in a capital city with large numbers assisting in the celebration.

    But all in all

    Irrelevant.

  178. JC

    If Gough had his way there’d be no Mabo. No $60k++ per year for the 2000 people who would otherwise be in PNG. Where’s the savings?

    You were critical of Gough’s attempt.

  179. dover_beach

    Just read the piece written by Michael Bradley (managing partner at Marque Lawyers).
    He’s saying – LOL – that True Conservatives would not challenge the Pell verdict but would accept it as a manifestation of the rule of law.

    Liberals are the most deceitful tartuffes. Why does the rule of law require our accepting the decision of a trial jury as the last word? Especially when the facts presented and the verdict are so jarringly incongruous. monty was trying this on two days earlier. They must have had this lame talking point prepared in advance. They really are NPCs.

  180. Cassie of Sydney

    “Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)
    #2947645, posted on March 1, 2019 at 5:19 pm
    I refuse to watch spew&A but will watch peterson”

    Thanks for posting that clip…Although I recorded Q&A..I haven’t watched it yet…it was sooooo good to see Peterson smack down the fat slag, his reply to Snowcone’s question was beautiful and Peterson is 10o% right about parasitic, sanctimonious and smug virtue signallers.

  181. Happy birthday Calli.

    Tesla had a show room inside Chadstone shopping centre.

    Wankers

  182. Bradley never appeals on behalf of his clients, obviously.

  183. rickw

    Without the distractions created by multiculturalism, the internationalist agenda of Australian Politicians would have failed miserably.

    Consider the resilience of largely homogeneous nations to international socialism.

  184. Rockdoctor

    My 2c worth as a naturalised North Queenslander. We are pretty relaxed and at the forefront of itinerant bother like anywhere in Northern Aus. Even the half castes despise the charade that is tolerated by the authorities, in their words makes any aboriginal look bad. From what I know Eddie was after fishing rights only, apparently the judgement was adulterated into the Native Title Act…

  185. C.L.

    Vale former senator and minister John Herron.
    One of the truest and best Christian gentlemen ever to grace the Commonwealth Parliament.

  186. cohenite

    The baleful waheed’s take on P.ll:

    On a certain level, I always understood Pell’s sexual puritanism and even his antipathy towards Islam. There’s a streak of such doctrinaire zealotry among every worldview. What I couldn’t grasp was his fiercely vocal support of climate denialism. What doctrinal reason is there for that? Not even the warnings of a Vatican-appointed panel of scientists or the environmental concerns of the last three popes could sway him.

    3 strikes and you’re out for P.ll.

  187. egg_

    True Conservatives would not challenge the Pell verdict

    Google translation: Liar Liar

  188. calli

    would accept it as a manifestation of the rule of law.

    Don’t be too sure. That was the attitude of the good Christian women I disagreed with earlier today.

    My gentle response was that sometimes “the law” can get it wrong, and Christians were in a privileged position to understand why.

    Made ‘em think, anyways.

  189. Snoopy

    You were critical of Gough’s attempt.

    I don’t recall offering an opinion. Do you have a link?

  190. Herodotus

    Contacts report that kids in a pretty good private school are getting solid indoctrination on climate change. The kids are full of it now. So the private schools are no better than the rabble in the state schools.
    We are so stuffed.

  191. Infidel Tiger

    Vale former senator and minister John Herron.
    One of the truest and best Christian gentlemen ever to grace the Commonwealth Parliament.

    Probably the only Minister for Indigenous Affairs I can remember.

    A wonderful doctor too by all reports.

  192. Snoopy

    Eddie Mabo’s ‘fight’ was a family dispute over the property rights of a traditionally adopted son. The credit for the Mabo victory belongs to Henry Reynolds.

  193. Herodotus

    As an aside, if 60’s Australia was so racisty racist, why did we name our premier launch site after an Aboriginal throwing tool?
    It was a natural flow on from the doctrine of terra nulla nullius.

  194. JC

    I don’t recall offering an opinion. Do you have a link?

    A link as upthread?

    Imagine if Gough had had his way and Murray (Mer) Island had been ceded, along with the Territory of Papua, to the nascent state of PNG.

    Explain.

  195. Fat Tony

    calli
    #2947715, posted on March 1, 2019 at 6:21 pm
    Ta Stimps.

    Don’t feel a day over 63.

    Many, many typos………shoulda been “Don’t feel a day over 163”

    Happy birthday Calli 🙂

  196. Snoopy

    Imagine if Gough had had his way and Murray (Mer) Island had been ceded, along with the Territory of Papua, to the nascent state of PNG.

    Explain.

    No Mabo. No NT. No grifting.

  197. A man can have his own opinion on non doctrinal matters Waleed

    As for the sexual Puritanism.

    Rubbish.

    Though Islam allows a man four wives and as many sex slaves as he can lay his hands on, Islam frowns on sex outside marriage, especially for women.

    Not that far from Catholic teaching though the understanding of what marriage is is light years apart.

    The Catholic concept is far more beautiful that the ugly contract for sex entered into by Muslims

    Cardinal Pell merely upholds 2000 years of Catholic teaching, a husband and a wife and no artificial contraception.

  198. Empire 5:5

    FORMER Labour peer Lord Ahmed is to stand trial accused of attacks on two children, it was reported last night.

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/8536464/lord-ahmer-labour-peer-children-sex-charge/

  199. stackja

    How former school prefect Nicola Gobbo became Lawyer X, informing on the underworld
    Anthony Dowsley and Patrick Carlyon, Herald Sun
    March 1, 2019 4:15pm
    Subscriber only

    Nicola Gobbo always wanted the world to know who she was and what she was doing.

    Her wider Catholic family claimed to have brought the first Italian espresso machine to Australia in the 1930s.

    And did you know her uncle, Sir James Gobbo, was a Supreme Court judge?

    She’d repeat this connection, constantly, in her early years.

    “She was a show-off,” one of her University of Melbourne contemporaries says.

    “She always wanted you to know that she was a Gobbo.”

    The name-dropping trait traces back to her schooling at the exclusive Catholic girls’ school in Kew, Genezzano College.

    Gobbo would relate to fellow students stories of her nightclubbing and her supposed sexual liaisons with door bouncers.

    She spoke of encounters with Collingwood footballer Darren Millane, a wild child and regular at the Tunnel nightclub, who died while drink-driving home in 1991.

    Once, when another student alluded to Gobbo and Millane on a classroom blackboard, Gobbo rubbed it off — but looked pleased by the instant notoriety of her supposed association.

    A prefect and house captain, she was “loud”, “funny” and “big”.

    When her father died in the middle of year 12, fellow students attended the funeral.

    Yet Gobbo never quite fitted in. She seemed to be trying too hard to impress.

    “I don’t think she opened up to anyone about anything,” one fellow student says.

    Gobbo presented then as she does now, in her non-lawyer guises: easy to like but hard to know.

    Ask the beauty therapist who used to do Gobbo’s nails at late-night appointments, just down the road from the former homes of underworld families such as the Morans and the Williams. Gobbo liked to chat about her Bali trips.

    She struck the therapist as “different and determined”, and in need of friends.

    While studying law, Gobbo was the university’s newspaper co-editor.

  200. stackja

    Seems moderation has not fully caught up with the end of the suppression order.

  201. stackja

    Christopher Pyneing away from glory days?

  202. stackja

    How former school prefect Nicola Gobbo became Lawyer X, informing on the underworld
    Anthony Dowsley and Patrick Carlyon, Herald Sun
    March 1, 2019 4:15pm
    Subscriber only

    What happened was a drug bust in 1993, when Gobbo and her boyfriend were charged with drug trafficking.

    She later pleaded guilty to use and possession.

    She was first registered as a police informer in 1995, and many close observers link the two events.

    She met the heaviest crooks when she worked with solicitor Alex Lewenberg in his criminal law practice in the late 1990s. She took calls from drug squad officers later convicted of corruption, and she gave information to internal investigators.

    She would turn up late and loud to Lewenberg’s office, after careering through Richmond laneways to park her black sports car in a tight spot.

    When Lewenberg gave her a pay rise, Gobbo celebrated with lunchtime vodkas. When she discovered the rise was only $10 a week, she confronted Lewenberg: “You can stick your f—ing pay rise up your f—ing arse.”

    Lewenberg fretted that his employee was crossing lines.

    She was too close to the crooks and — after he saw her being dropped off one morning to work by a man he thought was a police officer — too close to the cops, too.

    She got to know Paul Dale, the detective later charged (but not convicted) over the 2004 killings of Terry and Christine Hodson. He would say that they had a sexual intimacy. He noted her short skirts and plunging necklines in labelling her “Amazonian”.

    She shared traits with her one-time client, Carl Williams, who made hundreds of phone calls a day.

    She pieced together puzzles and compartmentalised the pieces.

    She was a puppet and a puppeteer — the “octopus”, as one of her handlers dubbed her, who knew more than anyone else.

  203. stackja

    WA wave power company suspended from ASX
    Australian Associated Press
    March 1, 2019 5:39pm

    The cash-strapped company that received WA government funds despite not meeting targets attached to a wave power project has been suspended from trading on the Australian stock exchange.

    Carnegie Clean Energy was on Friday suspended for failing to lodge its half-year financial report in time.

    In a statement to the ASX, the company said it regretted missing the deadline and was working closely with auditors to have the accounts lodged as soon as possible.

    It emerged in parliament in September that Carnegie had not cleared any hurdles connected to the Albany project, but the following month it still got a $2.625 million payment, described as being part of a “variation” to the first $5.25 million milestone.

    Carnegie was also given a nine-week deadline to submit its detailed funding plan for the project to the state government, but was granted an extension to February after citing uncertainty around changes to federal R&D tax incentives.

    Premier Mark McGowan said the funding plan was being reviewed by cabinet.

    “Clearly it’s a concerning situation,” Mr McGowan told reporters.

    The company posted a $63.34 million net loss for 2017-18, revealing it paid $2.12 million in wages and fees to its executive team and consultants during the period.

  204. Nick

    Christopher Pyneing away from glory days?

    Not glory holes, though

  205. JC

    No Mabo. No NT. No grifting.

    Okay.

  206. 1735099

    Fat Tony

    Still waiting for proof of your assertion that the plan to introduce recycled water into the Toowoomba supply was a secret conspiracy.

    Interesting to note, by the way, that according to the Chronicle survey linked above, the good citizens of Toowoomba are suffering buyer’s remorse.

  207. Black Ball

    JC I am interested in your thoughts about why Mabo ruling was a good thing. To me, I think it set back relationships between blacks and the mainstream many years. This decision to me allowed blacks to gain traction on any other issue when self determination would be great.

  208. Confused Old Misfit

    Happy birthday Calli!
    You don’t look a day older than sweet 16!

  209. Tel

    Consider the resilience of largely homogeneous nations to international socialism.

    Sweden gobbled it up, hook line and sinker. They backed out partway through, but many fish do try that … we’ll see if and when they manage to escape.

  210. bespoke

    What toys did you get for you birthday Calli?

  211. Empire 5:5

    Self determination = no gravy for white bureaucrats.

    Where’s mah graft?

  212. calli

    A photography course, bespoke. So I can learn the finer points of my lovely Canon SLR and its many lenses.

    My new career as a wildlife paparazza.

  213. calli

    No Bunnings cards as yet…

    I live in hope.

  214. Arky

    Day at school volunteering in the special program and then with the Karen students.
    Best day teaching ever.
    ESL is now called EAL.
    English as a Second Language or English as something something Language.
    I dunno either.

  215. Pete of Perth

    Will we make page 11?

  216. Arky

    I think special means something else too.

  217. JC

    JC I am interested in your thoughts about why Mabo ruling was a good thing. To me, I think it set back relationships between blacks and the mainstream many years. This decision to me allowed blacks to gain traction on any other issue when self determination would be great.

    Balckball, I think that from a libertarian perspective it recognized the people living on those islands were not barely legal trespassers on crown land. They had inherent established rights and those rights were formally recognized to some extent. It was their land.

    The problem came after the decision with all sorts of claims and government intervention.

    The problem as I see it though is that individual rights to the land wasn’t what was recognized. That would have been much better.

  218. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    mobile blast furnace

  219. Mark A

    English as an additional language

  220. calli

    English as an additional optional language

  221. Arky

    Almost all school principals are utter wankers.
    But this guy is a good one. Down to Earth, always out and walking around school to see what is happening in reality.
    I have had two really good Principals in my time, but most are not worth a pinch of shit.

  222. Black Ball

    Self determination = no gravy for white bureaucrats

    Billions saved in the Budget right there.

  223. Arky

    English as an additional language

    ..
    Yeah. That.

  224. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    before it’s banned

  225. 1735099

    Best day teaching ever.

    Days like those are diamonds.
    They kept me in the game for forty eight years.

  226. Infidel Tiger

    There is so much bad news coming out of China it is hard to fathom. This however takes the cake:

    https://twitter.com/BaldingsWorld/status/1101119334603091969

  227. Arky

    Shit job, principal.
    Imagine being responsible for the actions of the average loser teacher.
    You could not possibly pay me enough to take that shit on.

  228. JC

    Whoops .. went too soon.

    The problem for the mainland was that for the most part, but not all the Mabo case presents all sort of difficulties because hunter gatherer societies don’t have a claim to any particular land.. they move around a lot.

    Incidentally, Fatal Shore, has a interesting perspective on aboriginals at the time of Cook’s arrival. Hughes argues Aboriginals had a superior diet to the average Brit at the time. He also suggested hunter gatherers theoretically are very wealthy if one takes into account the land they use to sustain themselves.

    Just wondering out loud here. Would it have been better toiling on English land as a farm laborer or living as a hunter gatherer in Australia as an aborigine? I know which I would have chosen, if if I couldn’t boil water.

  229. Mater

    The problem as I see it though is that individual rights to the land wasn’t what was recognized. That would have been much better.

    Then they could lose it to an inheritance tax, like the rest of us.

  230. Bruce of Newcastle

    Happy birthday Calli!
    From a kid having dinner just now.

  231. JC

    Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)
    #2947782, posted on March 1, 2019 at 7:39 pm

    mobile blast furnace

    At least it’s not a mobile living room 🙂

  232. johanna

    C.L. respect for Acca Dacca, truly giants.

    But, they only did one thing and had one speed and volume – 11.

    The thing about Zep was that they did a mix of acoustic, folk, slow and fast blues and hard rock.

    There is an interview with Page where he talked about the way they mixed up the tracks on their albums. It was very deliberate. You got a hard rock track followed by acoustic stuff, and not by accident.

    AC/DC and Status Quo were probably the tightest rock bands ever. They made it look easy, which it isn’t. To see how good Quo were, look at this.

    Old farts wowing the US forces a couple of years ago.

    There is a live concert of theirs from five or so years ago which I can’t find now, but the sound was pristine and the playing was note perfect, delivered with the usual enthusiasm. It is a blast.

    Quo, like Led Zep and Donald Trump, were hated by the critics. Interestingly, Zep were most loved in the boring middle States, and that’s where they made a lot of their money. Meanwhile, Rolling Stone and their trendy acolytes supported people we’ve never heard of.

    It reminds me of when I managed a record bar, and Kevin Bloody Wilson was my biggest seller, but he never appeared on the charts.

  233. Fat Tony

    1735099
    #2947765, posted on March 1, 2019 at 7:16 pm
    Fat Tony

    Still waiting for proof of your assertion that the plan to introduce recycled water into the Toowoomba supply was a secret conspiracy.

    Interesting to note, by the way, that according to the Chronicle survey linked above, the good citizens of Toowoomba are suffering buyer’s remorse.

    What a sad person you truly are. Throw up the conspiracy accusation like a good little leftist. It was widely known back then (after the fact) that it was to be kept quiet until it was too late to do anything about it. If you don’t know that, then you weren’t there – a bit like Viet Nam, I spose.

    Obviously, if the council/state government had been up front about it, there wouldn’t have needed to be a plebiscite, would there?

    And that Chronicle “survey” – a very scientific “survey” that one. There was a proper “survey” in 2006 that went 62% – 38% against drinking recycled sewage water.

    And drinking recycled shit water wasn’t the only alternative – a dam (Emu Creek) could have been built for the same money as the unused pipeline. This was proposed but knocked back by council & the state government. There had to be recycled sewage in there somehow as punishment for the plebs rejecting what their betters had planned for them.

    And, since you’re a school teacher and everybody knows that school teachers know everything – since the dams were running dry, what water was to be recycled??

    You realise that when ever we engineers talk about fuckwits we have had to work with, school teachers come up as the worst. Imagine the stupidity of a fuckwit school teacher telling an engineer how to design something – they’re pathetic. (This is not all school teachers – just the moronic ones).

  234. C.L.

    Up to 11 at Spinal Cat.

  235. Black Ball

    JC thank you for your response. You may well be correct on the Mabo decision in relation to the Torres Strait. Whereby the islands themselves had no real interference from outsiders, so to speak.

    My main gripe is that billions has been spent on issues of Aboriginal importance for no real outcomes. Just before was someone saying about white overseers of projects designed to improve the quality of life among blacks. If this was in the private sector, the CEO would be in the town square getting rotten foodstuffs hurled at them at great velocity.

    I will say it again, a Western education coupled with determination that will enable success is key. Not fucking mythical ties to land or country, we all have that in Australia. Go and be enterprising.

    Rant over.

  236. Tel

    The problem as I see it though is that individual rights to the land wasn’t what was recognized. That would have been much better.

    Both Bob Katter and Warren Mundine has said similar things. However, the court cannot create what does not at least somewhat already legally exist. Courts are not legislative bodies (and that’s a good thing, you want that).

    The original people before European settlement operated on a tribal basis (not a “first nation”) and the tribe had some concept of tribal land, but not a concept of individual ownership.

    Tribal ownership is not really compatible with a modern economy, and anyway it doesn’t work well because everything descends into humbugging pretty quickly.

    There’s no easy answer to this. If you smash the tribal structure by brute force then many people will be upset by the unfairness (although under Feudal Law it’s perfectly sensible to use force, and most European law grew out of that). On the other hand, if you lock-in the tribal structure those people will be backward for eternity. I guess you have to mostly leave them alone to figure it out for themselves. White do-gooders haven’t helped them a whole lot so far.

  237. calli

    Just wondering out loud here. Would it have been better toiling on English land as a farm laborer or living as a hunter gatherer in Australia as an aborigine? I know which I would have chosen, if if I couldn’t boil water.

    Interesting question.

    As far as my family was concerned, better to evade the gallows, be a transported lag and make good in the new, rich land.

    An observation – the Poms punished their crims by sending them to the set of Home and Away.

  238. Fat Tony

    Arky
    #2947786, posted on March 1, 2019 at 7:43 pm
    Almost all school principals are utter wankers.
    But this guy is a good one. Down to Earth, always out and walking around school to see what is happening in reality.
    I have had two really good Principals in my time, but most are not worth a pinch of shit.

    When I was in one of the primary schools I went to (5 all up – we moved around a bit), the Principal was an officer in the Australian Army and fought the Japs in New Guinea during the second world war. I found this out years later.

    Always seen around the school – firm but fair (nobody fucked around). No doubt many teachers etc of the period were from similar backgrounds. They had a presence in the classroom that precluded stupidity.

  239. cohenite

    Incidentally, Fatal Shore, has a interesting perspective on aboriginals at the time of Cook’s arrival. Hughes argues Aboriginals had a superior diet to the average Brit at the time.

    Compare life spans and the social dynamics. Aboriginal society had become since the land bridges were cut-off 11000 years previously, stultified and regressive.

    And this is the point: the PC and theoretical guff about rights disguises the fact the aboriginals got lucky when a non-regressive society turned up which could exploit nature and apply new ideas and was truly individual rights based as compared to completely tribalized.

    A true libertarian would appreciate that speaking of the rights of aboriginal society being infringed misses the point that the new society offers infinitely more rights and opportunities.

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