Wednesday Forum: February 27, 2019

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  1. C.L.

    Good times, good times …
    The Wallington/Milligan photograph memento …

    This is the photo that has legal eagles in a fine flap, with one describing events surrounding it as “gobsmacking”.

    Quadrant adds: “The pair met again more recently in court, when Milligan testified for the prosecution against Pell with Ms Wallington presiding.”

  2. Oh come on

    Dopey Hanoi Bob:

    He’ll score all that whether this particular testimony is crucial or not.

    No, no he wouldn’t, you ridiculous fool. There would be no market for him if he wasn’t spouting ridiculous shit against Trump that moronic lefties like you are credulously lapping up right now. You’ll buy his book. You’ll pay to go to his lecture. You’ll watch his 60 Minutes Interview. You’ll buy it all, just like you’re buying it all now. You and your lefty NPC minions will be Cohen’s meal ticket, just as long as he keeps telling you what you want to believe.

    Yes, he has a crystal clear motive to lie. That motive is getting you and your ilk to pay him your money.

    Duh.

  3. 1735099

    Numbers must of (sic) really missed us

    It’s “must have”.
    Happy to help….

  4. C.L.

    New York Times and CNN give up, say Cohen is not the impeachment Neo; is not The One …

    CNN Newsroom✔@CNNnewsroom
    “I am struck by the breathtaking incompetence of the questioning,” @JeffreyToobin says about Michael Cohen’s public testimony, adding that the line of questioning was “endless bloviating and not actually getting information out of the witness”

    Meanwhile …

    [NYT] reporter Nicholas Fandos asserted that the Republicans “actually have a clearer sense” of what they are hoping to achieve — “muddy the waters around Cohen” — than the Democrats, who “continue to overreach a bit” and “seem to be having a much harder time choosing which targets are worth their time.”

    For example, editor Jonathan Weisman said that Rep. Raja Krishnamoorthi (D-Ill.) — who asked Cohen if Trump arranged for “health care procedures” outside of the family — “seemed to have gone fishing and his hook came up the bait still on it.”

  5. Ivan Denisovich

    Interesting:

    Cardinal George Pell’s legal team have been denied access to the prison medical records of one of the complainants in the case against him.

    The barristers representing the 76-year-old were last week denied access to the medical records of complainants who had sought treatment in the community.

    But they persisted with an application to subpoena medical records from Justice Health, which provides medical services in Victorian prisons, arguing those documents were not treated as confidential under the Corrections Act and could be provided to a third party without a prisoner’s consent.

    But Magistrate Belinda Wallington has denied the request, telling the hearing that even prisoners have the right to keep their medical records confidential.

    “My view is that despite the limits of confidentiality for the purposes of prison security, the records are confidential for all other purposes,” she said.

    “My view is that they are protected communications.”

    Cardinal Pell is fighting historical sexual offence charges involving multiple complainants.

    No other details of the case against him can be reported for legal reasons.

    Cardinal Pell was not present at today’s brief hearing in the Melbourne Magistrates’ Court to discuss outstanding subpoenas issued by his legal team as they prepare his defence.

    The court heard that a number of subpoenas relate to private hearings of a royal commission and the complainants themselves have been issued with subpoenas.

    The matter will return to court next week to discuss the return of subpoenas from Victoria Legal Aid, the Victorian Aboriginal Legal Service, a number of law firms and The Sydney Morning Herald newspaper among others.

    https://amp.abc.net.au/article/9469928

    Reading this, is it likely that the complainant is, or identifies as, aboriginal? Wallington sits, or sat, on the Koori Court. Is it likely that Wallington identifies as aboriginal? Comments from lawyers welcomed.

  6. Frank

    Stay in character griggs!

    Been away for a while. Was he smote in the original guise?
    He was due to croak last I remember.

  7. 1735099

    What you are referencing are later English editions which are “said to have been made with a view to readability rather than in an effort to rigidly reproduce Hitler’s sometimes idiosyncratic German form”.

    Do you read the bible?
    A translation is a translation is a translation…
    The funny thing is, you’ve spent most of the morning rooting around the internet trying to justify a dodgy post.
    Hilarious….

  8. Zatara

    “Questions have been raised about whether I know of direct evidence that Mr. Trump or his campaign colluded with Russia. I do not.”

    – Cohen testimony 2/27/2019

    Given that was precisely what Cohen was called before Congress today to testify about it sounds like a swing and a miss.

  9. Jessie

    May 2011

    On Wedneday, the Sydney Morning Herald reported that ‘a dire warning about the need to mitigate man-made global warning from a Vatican-appointed panel of scientists has not yet convinced Australia’s highest-ranking Catholic’, Archbishop of Sydney Cardinal George Pell.
    This is but one of the more recent inflammatory statements by Pell, who often deploys more colourful rhetoric and invective on climate change than Tony Abbott or Andrew Bolt in his attacks on ‘warmers’.

    Cardinal Pell’s climate hot air

    Comments are an interesting read.

    C/Files economy and finance experts ($, assets, land) may care to comment, and why Pell was handpicked by Pope Francis “Pell was appointed in 2014 to establish the secretariat and untangle the Vatican finances”.

    Vatican’s suspension of major PwC audit exposes internal rift

    Vatican chief auditor Libero Milone’s abrupt departure a worry for Cardinal Pell
    source: https://www.smh.com.au/world/vatican-chief-auditor-libero-milones-abrupt-departure-a-worry-for-cardinal-pell-20170628-gwzyhf.html

  10. The first three are wrong, since the cheque wasn’t related to the campaign, the hack wasn’t a hack – it was an insider leak, and the Trump Tower meeting was a DNC scam.

    As usual Bruce, you are completely and utterly wrong.

  11. Mater

    The funny thing is, you’ve spent most of the morning rooting around the internet trying to justify a dodgy post.

    Not at all, mate.
    Fits squarely with my current studies and had all resources at hand.

    PS. I’m not the one sitting around correcting grammar.

  12. thefrollickingmole

    Donald Trump is a man who ran for office to make his brand great, not to make our country great. He had no desire or intention to lead this nation – only to market himself and to build his wealth and power. Mr. Trump would often say, this campaign was going to be the “greatest infomercial in political history.”
    He never expected to win the primary. He never expected to win the general election. The campaign – for him – was always a marketing opportunity.

    And he still won.

    How crap is ‘Illary and the dems if what you qweef over the page above is true?

    Do you ever engage your brain before posting crap as silly as that?
    Its beyond stupid, its not even fantasy fulfillment its just dumb as a rock.

    So he simultaneously was making backroom deals with Putin in exchange for crippling “illarys campaign and winning the election while not wanting to win the election at all?

    Numbers is so confused he stands up to crap and sits down to pee.

  13. Mark A

    1735099
    #2946346, posted on February 28, 2019 at 1:20 pm

    What you are referencing are later English editions which are “said to have been made with a view to readability rather than in an effort to rigidly reproduce Hitler’s sometimes idiosyncratic German form”.

    Do you read the bible?
    A translation is a translation is a translation…

    You obviously don’t speak any foreign language well enough to appreciate the stupidity of your statement.

  14. Bill Lawry as both a cricket and legal commentator : “Got him!”

  15. thefrollickingmole

    The funny thing is, you’ve spent most of the morning rooting around the internet trying to justify a dodgy post.

    Proving a liar wrong is always worth a little time.

    You just lied, or were mislead which is it?
    One answer makes you a liar the other makes you a fairly unreliable source of information.

    Not Monty level wrongology, but unreliable at least.

  16. candy

    the second trial saw Pell convicted 12v0 based on a recording of the complainant at the earlier failed trial? The complainant was never cross examined at the second trial so his testimony (which in the earlier trial proved totally insufficient to convict) was accepted as verbatim and untested.

    It seems very feeble to convict a person on that basis.

    It’s like the Lindy Chamberlain case. A defendant who has an “aloof” type of demeanour, is tied closely to a religion that a lot of people are suspicious or hate (and that’s how Catholics are treated now), and no physical evidence at all. No corroboration by anyone of their “guilt”. Just nothing.

  17. 1735099

    You obviously don’t speak any foreign language well enough to appreciate the stupidity of your statement.

    As a professional translator said to me years ago, “it is the sense that matters, not the words used to convey it
    ‘.
    For the record, I can make myself understood in French and Vietnamese, but not speaking French to a Vietnamese. The French they speak in coconut country is different…

  18. Notafan

    Is it likely that Wallington identifies as aboriginal?

    Why would that be relevant?

    She doesn’t claim to be koorie in public, and it would be very surprising if she was, and didn’t.

    She is a passionate victim’s advocate, though and who could be more victimy that a koorie?

    Someone has to do the Mildura rotation.

    Nevertheless a magistrate hand-balling a very high-profile case to the Country Court, no matter how absurd the charges, is hardly surprising.

  19. dover_beach

    Cometh the hour cometh the man:

    Ray Hadley condemns John Howard and Tony Abbott for ‘gross errors of judgment’ on Pell

    Cowardly cur. All hat, no cattle. Just piss and wind.

  20. Notafan

    and no physical evidence at all

    There was alleged physical evidence in the Chamberlain case, and it was physical evidence that ultimately got her conviction overturned

  21. Infidel Tiger

    I see digraced father and abusive husband Hadley is at it again.

    What a foul person he is.

  22. Nick

    For the record, I can make myself understood in French

    Je suis un connard

  23. None

    It’s like the Lindy Chamberlain case. A defendant who has an “aloof” type of demeanour, is tied closely to a religion that a lot of people are suspicious or hate (and that’s how Catholics are treated now), and no physical evidence at all. No corroboration by anyone of their “guilt”. Just nothing.

    lindy Chamberlain pointed out years later she had just lost her baby, she was being accused of murder and was given antidepressants to cope hence her emotionless demeanour. What do people expect. song and dance routines. FFS ask any ambo. When people are in shock they are borderline zombies and just walk around aimlessly.

  24. Oh come on

    For the record, I can make myself understood in French and Vietnamese, but not speaking French to a Vietnamese. The French they speak in coconut country is different…

    You are such a blowhard, Numbers. You invented this. Bugger all Viets speak French these days, for starters. Stop acting like you know because you don’t.

  25. Notafan

    Numbers definitely deliberately misrepresents

    for example his claims regarding Archbishop Mannix yesterday

    Like Monty he is don’t trust, always verify

  26. How it works in Victoria:

    For Politicians, Labor maaates, Unionists:
    No charges are laid becoz insufficient evidence to convict. Police interviews are unnecessary.

    Everyone else:
    Charge em, try em, convict em, hang em incarcerate em.

    Given the red shirts scandal the decision to even lay charges is not not a good look.

  27. cohenite

    Reading this, is it likely that the complainant is, or identifies as, aboriginal? Wallington sits, or sat, on the Koori Court. Is it likely that Wallington identifies as aboriginal? Comments from lawyers welcomed.

    That’s all this debacle needs plus a few gender fluidity issues.

    I don’t have much time for the catholic church but was has happened to P.ll is from a legal viewpoint shattering for due process. But the fact is the jury convicted after a rejection on I presume stronger evidence the first time. The argument that public comment tainted the jury’s mind has some pertinence but nothing a good QC could not counter with adequate Judicial direction. I don’t get it. I thought the Tommy Robinson incarceration was bad but this takes the cake, purely from a legal viewpoint.

  28. thefrollickingmole

    There was alleged physical evidence in the Chamberlain case, and it was physical evidence that ultimately got her conviction overturned

    I think that was more down to dodgy “experts”, from memory the allegation the bloodstained baby jacket was cut with scissors not dingo teeth?

  29. 132andBush

    Monty and numbers Bob tag teaming on the Cat (up thread).

    It’s like watching an obese poodle try to mount a great dane.

  30. None

    Laawyers should be shitting themselves over the Pell verdict. No one will ever want to employ them again given such a travesty of justice. FMD take it out the back and punch it out instead. I have never had any confidence in Victoria’s judicial system. Don’t count on the appeals process being fair either. The Hull legacy lives on.

  31. Mater

    As a professional translator said to me years ago, “it is the sense that matters, not the words used to convey it

    And yet, you tried to equate Hitler and Trump using a single English word which Hitler likely never uttered in his life.

  32. None

    132andBush
    #2946370, posted on February 28, 2019 at 1:40 pm

    Word. #mindbleach

  33. Mother Lode

    Ray Hadley condemns John Howard and Tony Abbott for ‘gross errors of judgment’ on Pell

    Well that will get him some phone calls rolling in.

    An astute business would contact the station and, posing as one of their competitors, ask for him to endorse their pretended business.

    Perhaps Mitre 10 could call and say “Bunnings here! Could you get Ray to give us a shout out? Mention that we’re having a sale on 300V light-bulbs (you get 60 extra volts!) and pre-dried paint. Ta.”

  34. thefrollickingmole

    It’s like watching an obese poodle try to mount a great dane.

    Did you forget to mention the Great Dane had been in Vietnam?
    Because it has
    Just ask it
    Oh you dont have to, hes already mentioned it.. again, and again, and again.

  35. struth

    Do you read the bible?
    A translation is a translation is a translation…
    The funny thing is, you’ve spent most of the morning rooting around the internet trying to justify a dodgy post.
    Hilarious….

    Except Numbers respects what countries call themselves, except when he doesn’t.

    This prick can’t even decide on which country is socialist and which isn’t and why, then comes on here and has a go at people about “of” instead of “have”.

    With such delirious hypocrisy, we should suggest you get help for your entirely warped, contradictory view of the world, before you stress the little stuff, numbers.

    You and Fharken can go and work out who is socialist and who isn’t, and also why nobody gives a shit how much coal communist China consumes, in the U.N.
    Why the boats only head one way from Cuba, and only the west’s borders should be opened.

    Once you.ve got that figured out come back and let us know, we are always ready for a good laugh.
    How many sexes are there, probably where you guys should start, don’t wrestle with the biggies straight off.

    TDS and Armageddon Scotoma Syndrome, (or ASS) unable to distinguish the sexes, can’t (won’t) see the socialist trees for the communist forest, fuck me dead, it’s a wonder you can find your way to the bog, you are so wilfully blind.

  36. Mark A

    As a professional translator said to me years ago, “it is the sense that matters, not the words used to convey it

    Wrong.
    One can translate a sentence using different words with basically the same meaning but conveying a benign or sinister interpretation.

    Probably not the best example but it has to do.

    You can say, for instance, “there are a lot of public servants of Indian descent” or “there is an overwhelming number of people of Indian descent in the public service”, both meaning basically the same thing, ie. there are a lot of them in the PS. but one is stating the other is condemning this fact.

  37. Mother Lode

    That’s all this debacle needs plus a few gender fluidity issues.

    The entire case was about gender fluids, wasn’t it?

  38. Oh come on

    Watch the Alex Jones interview on Rogan. Jones is fully nuts but he is interesting.

    It looks as though YouTube is fixing to memory hole the video, though. You can’t download it, the first 40 mins have been sheared off it, it keeps stopping at random points etc.

  39. 1735099

    Attorney general reportedly set to notify Netanyahu of bribery charges Thursday.

    Bibi and Fatty 5D – birds of a feather…..

  40. Ivan Denisovich

    Why would that be relevant?

    Why would any possible bias be relevant?

  41. Leigh Lowe

    John

    #2946254, posted on February 28, 2019 at 11:40 am

    Maybe we’ve got it wrong.

    “In her book Milligan …

    Stop.
    There’s your problem right there.

  42. 1735099

    Probably not the best example but it has to do.

    You’re right about that.

  43. Oh come on

    Numbers, you were saying your wife is very ill. Go and spend some time with her. Being here isn’t healthy for you.

  44. struth

    Fharken is so dumb he worries about the end of the world, AS A FUCKING ANGEL!!!!!

    Concerned with mass immigration into heaven, he wants to keep the borders up, and St Peter (ICE) at the gates.

  45. Infidel Tiger

    Alex Turnbull

    @alexbhturnbull
    Follow Follow @alexbhturnbull
    More
    Reasons to join @liberalaus:
    1. Rorts for mates
    2. Bang your staffers
    3. Vilify gay people…..
    4. While engaging in “vanilla” face-f&king of young boys
    5. @SkyNewsAust job if it doesn’t work out

    #auspol

    12:31 AM – 27 Feb 2019

    Dude needs help.

  46. Mater

    Fatty 5D

    Does that make you 1735099 2D?

  47. dover_beach

    Dude needs help.

    He’s a turd.

  48. candy

    While engaging in “vanilla” face-f&king of young boys

    Who in the Liberal Party is Alex Turnbull saying is a p…….o?

  49. Stimpson J. Cat

    @alexbhturnbull
    Follow Follow @alexbhturnbull
    More
    Reasons to join @liberalaus:
    1. Rorts for mates
    2. Bang your staffers
    3. Vilify gay people…..
    4. While engaging in “vanilla” face-f&king of young boys
    5. @SkyNewsAust job if it doesn’t work out
    #auspol
    12:31 AM – 27 Feb 2019

    Malcolm Is Very Proud.
    A Job Well Done.
    A Chip Off The Old Block.

  50. 1735099

    Liberty quote –

    If Trump goes to prison, it will be the first sentence he has ever completed.

  51. Infidel Tiger

    Who in the Liberal Party is Alex Turnbull saying is a p…….o?

    Maybe his Dad?

    Police should investigate.

  52. struth

    If Trump goes to prison, it will be the first sentence he has ever completed.

    Obviously never saw Obummer without a teleprompter.

    It’s actually embarrassing.

  53. Leigh Lowe

    Alex Turnbull

    @alexbhturnbull
    Follow Follow @alexbhturnbull
    More
    Reasons to join @liberalaus:
    1. Rorts for mates
    2. Bang your staffers
    3. Vilify gay people…..
    4. While engaging in “vanilla” face-f&king of young boys

    What is he accusing Malcolm of?
    That is very strange.

  54. struth

    That’s actionable against Alex Turnbull

  55. Leigh Lowe

    Numbers, you were saying your wife is very ill. Go and spend some time with her. Being here isn’t healthy for you.

    When duty calls …
    Oops.

  56. candy

    Police should investigate.

    Definitely. Alex Turnbull name names and go to the police. It’s a very serious thing to say there are p…..philes in the Liberal Party without doing something about it.

  57. Mother Lode

    Dude needs help.

    Seemed to have no problems with any of these perceived vices when he father was running the show.

    Man of principle.

  58. Mater

    @alexbhturnbull
    Follow Follow @alexbhturnbull
    More
    Reasons to join @liberalaus:
    1. Rorts for mates
    2. Bang your staffers
    3. Vilify gay people…..
    4. While engaging in “vanilla” face-f&king of young boys

  59. Leigh Lowe

    That’s actionable against Alex Turnbull

    Why?
    Trumble Minor is saying really bad stuff went on in the party his father led until just a few months ago.
    As a bare minimum we have a duty to ask “What did Malcolm know, and when did he know it?”

  60. Knuckle Dragger

    Mater, 1.43 pm:

    Brilliant!

  61. Nick

    What does Turnbull know and how long has he known ? Concealing a crime is a criminal offence

  62. Geriatric Mayfly

    At least eight tonnes of gold were removed from Venezuela’s central bank vaults last week, an opposition legislator and government sources say, in the latest sign of President Nicolas Maduro’s need to raise currency amid sanctions.

    To be illegally sold abroad. I presume he will demand $US in exchange, and where might they end up? Only 140 tons left. So the henchman might last a little bit longer, if gold sales can keep his army and secret police on side.

  63. Leigh Lowe

    Struth, are you saying Trumble Minor could sue?
    Or be sued?
    I may have misconstrued your post.

  64. Mater

    Someone should sic 1735099 2D onto young Alex. His grammar and punctuation is appalling.

  65. Knuckle Dragger

    So we’ve got the Marxist Brothers Numbo, Monto and Harko all falling over each other to try and justify their combined illiteracy and understanding of the world at large today.

    You know what that means folks…….

    Yes!!! It’s a window-licking, spastic Retardathon! Bring your own crayons people – the red ones taste best!

  66. Mother Lode

    “If if if if if if…I I me…if if if if…I me me me me me I I I I…we’re gonna.”

    Name that President!

  67. Knuckle Dragger

    P.S.:

    Popery. (h/t Lizzie).

    Love that word.

  68. C.L.

    Ray Hadley condemns John Howard and Tony Abbott for ‘gross errors of judgment’ on Pell

    John Howard’s son isn’t a disgraced coke head.

  69. Notafan

    I think that was more down to dodgy “experts”, from memory the allegation the bloodstained baby jacket was cut with scissors not dingo teeth?

    “Professor Cameron and Dr Jones concluded that the blood spray pattern found under the dashboard of the Chamberlain’s car could have been produced by a cut in a small artery. … “The foetal haemoglobin in the Chamberlains’ car was later found to be a ‘sound deadener’ sprayed on during the manufacture of the car.”

  70. struth

    Alex showing the escalation now that Pell, who they hate for being a conservative, anti evil man, and accuse him of doing what many in the Mardi gras are pushing for and that’s lower the age of consent on all sexual perversions, yes, these people who confuse children and make them sexual beings when they haven’t thought anything about it, their minds still on Lego, computer games and general fun grabbing, get their conservative , based on their hypocrisy and escalate.
    Much more of this to come and the right in this country won’t fight back.

    It’s a shit hole.

    Only one bloke is fighting them, empowered by the people who are brave and put him there, in the home of the brave.
    That ain’t here.

    Like so many so called right wing arseholes lethargically said to me about the convoy, whaddya do that for? It’s not gonna make any difference.
    My reply was, yeah well I got to Canberra and they said they would have listened to us if only you were there.
    Years Later, when things like Roxby didn’t go ahead and their businesses started failing, I said, (and had much delight in saying) don’t tell me your problems, whaddaya do that for, it’s not gonna make any difference.

    Fuck this lethargic country.
    Insanity is anything but lethargic.

  71. C.L.

    Monty, better luck next time.
    Cohen wasn’t the Impeachment Neo.

  72. Leigh Lowe

    I think that was more down to dodgy “experts”, from memory the allegation the bloodstained baby jacket was cut with scissors not dingo teeth?

    And “blood spatter” under the dash of the car.
    Now, even back then (pre DNA), identification of blood type, distinguishing blood from other matter and interpretation of spatter patterns were well advanced.
    This was the sort of thing which convinced me at the time that the jury got it right. I didn’t worry a lot about motive, because there is never a logical motive in PND infanticide.
    Then, oops.
    We re-test. The stain isn’t blood and the pattern is not consistent with a stabbing.
    I suspect that CSI Darwin comprised two piss-head lab-techs who couldn’t get a promotion down south, so headed to the NT for good pay and an easy life.
    Much the same as a dud school-teacher posted to, say, Toowoomba.

  73. I see DM has Louise Milligan saying she found the Pell case witness believable when she met him. That settles it then, he is guilty.

    Can she now go and interview Shortens accuser and Jussie Smollet ?

    Not listened to Hadley today but for a person talking about crime cases so much it seems he has no concerns about the evidence in the case. Either that or not bothered to look into it. Personally I think Howard and Abbot have done the right thing by not joining on the mobs side.

    Switched Hadley off yesterday and today as if I wanted to listen to Country and Western I could find another station that plays it.

  74. struth

    BE SUED…………………by the Liberal Party

  75. Geriatric Mayfly

    Popery. (h/t Lizzie).
    Love that word.

    It only had resonance when declaimed at fever pitch by the Rev. Ian Paisley. ‘No Popery,’ was a major volcanic eruption.

  76. Mater

    Mater, 1.43 pm:

    Brilliant!

    Bob always feels compelled to add just that little bit extra onto his posts in order to demonstrate his ‘superior intellect’. In doing so, he never fails to open himself up to that metaphorical ‘left hook’.
    As predictable as day and night.

  77. Tel

    To be illegally sold abroad. I presume he will demand $US in exchange, and where might they end up? Only 140 tons left. So the henchman might last a little bit longer, if gold sales can keep his army and secret police on side.

    That’s not what I heard … supposedly the gold went to Russia because there had earlier been some credit arrangements related to arms shipments. This is an older article I could find easily:

    https://www.thehindu.com/news/international/Russia-will-supply-arms-to-Venezuela-Medvedev/article16880560.ece

    A senior Defence industry official told the RIA Novosti news agency that the two sides could sign a $500-million contract for the supply of up to 100 T-72 and T-90 tanks to Venezuela.

    Moscow said it could give loans to Venezuela to buy Russian arms.

    In a diplomatic boost to Russia, Mr. Chavez said Venezuela decided to recognise South Ossetia and Abkhazia. Venezuela would become the third country to extend diplomatic recognition to the two breakaway Georgian regions, after Russia and Nicaragua.

    That wasn’t the only shipment … there’s been more but I can’t find them right now. Something about the whole arms dealing scene, they seem quick to offer credit, but also quick to foreclose at short notice. There might be some economics prize for studying that in detail.

  78. Oh come on

    Reasons to join @liberalaus:
    1. Rorts for mates
    2. Bang your staffers
    3. Vilify gay people…..
    4. While engaging in “vanilla” face-f&king of young boys

    Why are we assuming Alex is being sarcastic? Maybe he’s into these things.

  79. Notafan

    I had to look ‘vanilla’ up

    It’s on urban dictionary, a very serious accusation if it involves minors

  80. The Beer Whisperer

    Ben and his buddies use the following false logic:
    • If human CO2 causes global warming, then the earth will get hotter.
    • The earth got hotter. Therefore, human CO2 caused the warming.
    If you believe that, then you also believe this parallel in logic:
    • If Bill Gates owned Fort Knox, then Bill Gates is rich.
    • Bill Gates is rich. Therefore, Bill Gates owned Fort Knox.
    It is called the logical error of affirming the consequent. Look it up.

    Not exactly true. It’s thos:

    *CO2 is a greenhouse gas, so it causes warming
    *CO2 is rising very consistently with our increase in CO2 production
    *Therefore, humans are causing warming.

    Logically correct, but still fallacious. The first contains large assumptions, the second is a strong correlation, and the third is a weak correlation.

    It’s ultimately mathematical, so a linear rise in CO2 and a very non-linear rise in temperature strongly suggests other variables. Indisputable, unless the insisted causation is largely random. How is that possible? And if so, how reliable can it be with such randomness?

    Mathematically, at best there is a somewhat small causation of slight warming by humans. All climate change alarmism is exaggerated. At best.

  81. The Beer Whisperer

    This. Whatevs.

  82. Infidel Tiger

    John Howard’s son isn’t a disgraced coke head.

    And a bent copper.

    Howard is also not an abusive husband or employer.

    Hadley is a very morally sick person. And a cuck.

  83. Infidel Tiger

    Looks like Cohen will now be getting extra time in the pen for perjury.

    What a terrible lawyer he must have been.

    In other good news it is very possible the Trudeau government will fall and Trudeau could be jailed.

  84. thefrollickingmole

    Found the bit about the jacket, not quite as I misremembered it.
    https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/humans-were-involved-in-disappearance-says-lead-azaria-detective/news-story/5c243834c7ff4c7c17b6d68f8070cae3

    Mr Marchant said there was no evidence of damage or canine incisions on the jacket he examined in Mrs Chamberlain’s presence.

    “(There were) no rips, no tears, no precise dingo scissors teeth cuts, only some stitching that had become loose with the loops intact,” he said.

    “Of particular interest was the single button at the neck had the thread passing through the button hole. The button had become detached though remained adhering to the buttonhole.

    “The jacket was inside out when the package was opened for the first time at Forensic Section, again in her presence. In a nutshell, the jacket was inside out with a button stuck to the button hole …

    “There was no damage consistent with a canine attack and it would appear the jacket was removed and turned inside out while buttoned up.”

  85. Tom

    Bloody hell. According to Laura Ingraham on Fox, the US mainstream media — at least the other cable stations — refused to cover the press conference between Kim and Trump in Hanoi just now, including Kim’s rare response to a reporter’s question that he has hopes for great things from today’s summit.

    Only Fox News covered it live. The rest — CNN etc — were doing “analysis” of Cohen’s hours-old nothingburger on Capitol Hill (in which he admitted he had no evidence of Trump-Russia collusion — which effectively ends the two-year witchhunt).

    Meanwhile, the future security of the world is being discussed in Hanoi.

    According to Fox’s Ed Henry, the NBC network has even put out a fake news bullshit story that the US side has “given up” on denuclearisation — vehemently denied by the US. In other words, the news media’s disinformation propaganda is now attempting to sabotage talks still underway in real time in Hanoi between the US and North Korea.

    This is going to be a massive own-goal for the Democratic Party’s lapdog media.

  86. Leigh Lowe

    Mater

    #2946372, posted on February 28, 2019 at 1:43 pm

    As a professional translator said to me years ago, “it is the sense that matters, not the words used to convey it

    And yet, you tried to equate Hitler and Trump using a single English word which Hitler likely never uttered in his life

    The “elite crack-shot rifleman” takes careful aim … makes sure his target is perfectly still … checks the wind one last time and gently squeezes the trigger.
    Bullseye!
    Straight through the third metatarsal bone of his own right foot.

  87. Mother Lode

    Fuck this lethargic country.
    Insanity is anything but lethargic.

    A lot of people on the right think that they only get their say in politics once every four years (notionally) and it is quite dispiriting.

    Involvement in the political process should be an ongoing thing.

    The left does this – although they do it with an unhealthy monomania.

    Also with an unhealthy attitude toward democracy, where they always look for ways to prevent voices other than their own from having a say. They will infiltrate and destroy anything that gets in the way of their power – or rather the power of a handful of elites that the woolly-witted rank and file assume will look after them.

    Could the Libs have become such a sham if they had not been so unpropitiously left to their conniving selves?

  88. Infidel Tiger

    A Virginia state employee has complained that her eighth-grade daughter was upset during a tour of the historic governor’s residence when first lady Pam Northam handed raw cotton to her and another African American child and asked them to imagine being enslaved and having to pick the crop.

    “The Governor and Mrs. Northam have asked the residents of the Commonwealth to forgive them for their racially insensitive past actions,” Leah Dozier Walker, who oversees the Office of Equity and Community Engagement at the state Education Department, wrote Feb. 25 to lawmakers and the office of Gov. Ralph Northam (D).

    They seem like a very normal race hating, infanticide loving couple.

  89. Leigh Lowe

    struth

    #2946419, posted on February 28, 2019 at 2:26 pm

    BE SUED…………………by the Liberal Party

    Gotcha.
    But of course they won’t because those in control share Trumble Minor’s views and love his methods.

  90. 132andBush


    Did you forget to mention the Great Dane had been in Vietnam?
    Because it has
    Just ask it
    Oh you dont have to, hes already mentioned it.. again, and again, and again.

    Sorry, I should’ve explained.
    The obese poodle is the amalgam of Monty and numbers.
    The great Dane would be this OT.

  91. Infidel Tiger

    Bloody hell. According to Laura Ingraham on Fox, the US mainstream media — at least the other cable stations — refused to cover the press conference between Kim and Trump in Hanoi just now, including Kim’s rare response to a reporter’s question that he has hopes for great things from today’s summit.

    Only Fox News covered it live. The rest — CNN etc — were doing “analysis” of Cohen’s hours-old nothingburger on Capitol Hill (in which he admitted he had no evidence of Trump-Russia collusion — which effectively ends the two-year witchhunt).

    Meanwhile, the future security of the world is being discussed in Hanoi.

    Apparently zero coverage of India vs Pakistan either.

    Same as Australian media which is now fixated solely on Pell.

    Going to be a shock to all when the nukes starting flying soon.

  92. Leigh Lowe

    Reasons to join @liberalaus:
    1. Rorts for mates

    How much of the pissy $60m in Trumble Minor’s Singapore managed fund came from Asian investors looling to buy access to Trumble Major.
    How much of same has been pulled since September?

  93. In other good news it is very possible the Trudeau government will fall and Trudeau could be jailed.

    s/Trudeau/Andrews/g
    s/Trudeau/Scottie/g

  94. calli

    As a professional translator said to me years ago, “it is the sense that matters, not the words used to convey it

    Yet here you are correcting spelling.

  95. thefrollickingmole

    Holy crap, (semi) straight reporting on the MAGA hat kid in the guardian.

    The Post is so screwed, they even had the fashion editor write shit about the kids..
    Really, really worth a read, the kids lawyers must be working out their % of the payouts allready.

    Was the media biased against the Covington students?
    Michael Massing
    Conservatives accuse media organizations of trafficking in stereotypes that Trump supporters are bigots. Is there any merit to that claim?

    Finally, Robin Givhan, the Post’s fashion critic, penned a polemic denouncing the MAGA hat and its status as “an inflammatory declaration of identity”. The aesthetically benign baseball cap, she wrote, has been transformed into “an open wound, a firestorm of hate and a marker of societal atavism”. It’s an “angry roar” that’s been “weaponized” into “a symbol of us vs them, exclusion and suspicion, of garrulous narcissism, of white male privilege, of violence and hate”. Again, there was no mention of the angry roar that had been directed at Sandmann, nor of the firestorm of hate that had forced him and his family to live in a constant state of concern over their safety.

    In addition to these tangled reports, the Post ran a number of stories and columns that hewed to a clear story line. A historian named William S Cossen, for instance, wrote about “the Catholic Church’s shameful history of Native American abuses”.

    Apparently that was not enough, for a few days later the Post featured another piece on how “the face-off between Catholic school teens and a Native American elder is a reminder of 500 years of conflict”

    As the controversy unfolded, Post opinion writer Paul Waldman weighed in on why Trump felt “overjoyed” by it. It was, Waldman wrote, because it allowed him and conservative commentators to fire up the base with “the same metanarrative”

    On the opinion pages, Post editorial board member Jonathan Capehart devoted not one but two columns to condemning Sandmann and his fellow students. The added context provided by the longer video, he insisted, did nothing to diminish the despicable nature of their actions.

    Luckily the writer knows which side of his bread is buttered and finishes with this..
    We live in an era of hatred, incitement and bitter polarization, all skillfully stoked by Donald Trump. Journalists have to do their best not to succumb to it.

  96. Oh come on

    Who is Michael Cohen’s intended audience? Let’s go to the tape:

    I am ashamed. Because I know what Mr Trump is. He is a racist

    So the first cab off the rank in Cohen’s smear list is Trump’s a racist? Hmm now which people are fully invested in the belief that Trump’s a racist?

    Numbers, m0nty et al are being played like fiddles by Cohen, the plonker’s plonker. Funny stuff!

  97. calli

    garrulous narcissism

    Huh?

    I wonder if her couch looks at her.

  98. The Beer Whisperer

    Every junkie has a back story of abuse and hard luck so, yeah, he must of been abused.

    Wrong, Leigh. Very, very wrong.

    He must have been abused.

    /grammar Nazi 😁

  99. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    @alexbhturnbull
    Follow Follow @alexbhturnbull
    More
    Reasons to join @liberalaus:
    1. Rorts for mates
    2. Bang your staffers
    3. Vilify gay people…..
    4. While engaging in “vanilla” face-f&king of young boys

    someone’s jealous

  100. Zatara

    A Virginia state employee has complained that her eighth-grade daughter was upset during a tour of the historic governor’s residence when first lady Pam Northam handed raw cotton to her and another African American child and asked them to imagine being enslaved and having to pick the crop.

    The big city democrats wouldn’t have a clue.

    Hand the kids a cotton boll, or a tobacco leaf, and tell them that’s one of the crops that built their state and that people of all tints picked them. Playing the racist game is ignorant and insulting to all.

  101. Now that VikPol and its friends at the ABC have nailed Pell, who will they go after next?

    Someone at the IPA?
    A LNP MP? (Trumbles and sheilas excluded)
    Blot?
    Blair?

    The machinery exists and has been proven to work. Why waste it?

  102. Dr Faustus

    Surprisingly, Wapo posts a dry, concise summation of the Pell defence and prosecution cases.

    Differences between Cardinal Pell’s prosecution and defense

    The case certainly was not decided on a ‘he said v he said’ basis. The jury rejected the testimony of multiple defence witnesses who stated that the events could not have happened as alleged:

    An altar server who testified: constant traffic through the sacristy after Mass;
    The sacristan who testified: No sacramental wine left lying around in the sacristy to be swigged;
    The Cathedral MC who testified: He was with Pell throughout.

    In the result, the jurors were happy to accept the prosecution argument that these witnesses were deluded/lying/wrong and that:

    “there was an opportunity for the offending to take place, with altar servers allowing worshippers a few minutes of “the privacy of prayer” after mass before moving in to clear the altar space of sacred items and returning them to the sacristy.”

    So, beyond reasonable doubt, apparently, that in those few private minutes:

    – the Kid slipped away from the choir after the recession,
    – found his way into a sacristy he had never entered before,
    – discovered some wine lying open in a “
    wooden cupboard” also never seen before,
    – had a couple of swigs,
    – was confronted by Pell (without mitre and crosier), and
    – instantly subject to a six minute sexual assault.

    Kid and Archbishop with timing and nerves of steel that puts Mission Impossible to shame.
    Clearly none of the jurors has attended Solemn Mass.

  103. Leigh Lowe

    Same as Australian media which is now fixated solely on Pell.

    Interesting story buried behind the 16 page Pell wrap-around today.
    Fat Andy Demetriou was at the helm of Acquire Learning which went bust in 2016, blowing up $145meg.
    Suggestions are that Andy authorised payments after they were told that they were probably insolvent.
    Did he make desparate payments to suppliers to keep the doors open?
    Not really.
    One of the payments was a $150k bonus to himself.
    Trading whilst insolvent is one thing, but raiding the tin for personal gain as the ship sinks is something else again.
    Quite apart from all of that, it takes a special brand of stupid to go broke running a government funded training company.

  104. dover_beach

    “there was an opportunity for the offending to take place, with altar servers allowing worshippers a few minutes of “the privacy of prayer” after mass before moving in to clear the altar space of sacred items and returning them to the sacristy.”

    Do they really think that private prayer at a church leave alone a cathedral occurs around the altar? This is where ignorance leads.

  105. Mother Lode

    In other good news it is very possible the Trudeau government will fall and Trudeau could be jailed.

    Yeah, but he will relish being able to dress up in the jumpsuit as a gesture to his fellow inmates.

    Like his trips overseas.

    He will be grinning from ear to ear, even as he is handing over smokes to a protector so he can shower in safety.

    Or not.

  106. Two words for the day:

    sciolist
    One who knows many things superficially; a pretender to science; a smatterer.
    An amateur who engages in an activity without serious intentions and who pretends to have knowledge.

    smatterer

  107. Cassie of Sydney

    “incoherent rambler
    #2946451, posted on February 28, 2019 at 2:55 pm
    Now that VikPol and its friends at the ABC have nailed Pell, who will they go after next?”

    Tony Abbott, Tony Abbott, Tony Abbott, Tony Abbott, Tony Abbott, Tony Abbott, Tony Abbott. It’s already started.

  108. Zatara

    An Iranian refugee country shopper who set himself on fire on Nauru would have had up to a 95% chance of survival had he been treated in Australia NOT set himself on fire, an inquest has(n’t) heard.

    He set himself on fire. Take the [email protected] hint.

  109. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Now that VikPol and its friends at the ABC have nailed Pell, who will they go after next?”

    Be a shorter list of who they won’t go after – two Labor politicians, for a start.

  110. areff

    Consider this scenario: You’re a St Kev’s dropout with no love for the Church — lapsed and bitter, as they say.

    You’ve bitched to your wife about how bad your school days were (‘I had to sing 27 hours a day and they made me do Latin too!) and, given all the slurs on Pe ll for more than a decade, you big-note yourself by telling her a tall tale about being goosed in the Cathedral.

    She says, ‘Lodge a complaint! We could use the money’

    As the police are very obliging and help you get your story straight …

  111. calli

    Do they really think that private prayer at a church leave alone a cathedral occurs around the altar? This is where ignorance leads.

    I wonder if Catholics called for that particular jury service were asked to recuse themselves. Or Anglicans for that matter. Is it possible to find out?

    It would explain the lack of knowledge about the busy sacristy and after Mass activities.

  112. Hmmm.
    What evil did Mr. Rabbit perform, in the deep dark recesses of his burrow?

  113. Cassie of Sydney

    Craig McLachlan is toast.

  114. Leigh Lowe

    Dover, CL, somebody.
    Can someone post a list of all the accusations against Pell before trial?
    I can recall the “exposure in the surf coast SLSC change room” (which had anachronistic problems), the “touch up in the pool in Ballarat”, the “trip to the lake in Central Victoria”, the “choir boys”.
    Are there others?
    Would make for interesting reading.
    After all, these enabled Fatty’s boys to make the well-poisoning declaration of “multiple victims, multiple assaults over many years”, but only one (1) made it to trial with one (1) witness.

  115. Infidel Tiger

    Can someone post a list of all the accusations against Pell before trial?

    The internet is only so big, sir.

  116. Shy Ted

    Congrats on your appointment, Ita. May I organize your diary for you?
    Day 1. Letter to Frank. Thank you for your many years of service.
    Day 2. Letter to Emma. Thank you for your many years of service.
    Day 3. Letter to Tony. Thank you for your many years of service.
    Day 4. Letter to Virginia. Thank you for your many years of service.
    Day 5. Letter to Julia. Thank you for your many years of service.
    Take the weekend off.

  117. Myrddin Seren

    According to Fox’s Ed Henry, the NBC network has even put out a fake news bullshit story that the US side has “given up” on denuclearisation….

    NBC and MSNBC have gotten rid of any commentators who even think about pulling back from endless war, and will move heaven-and-earth to ensure Tulsi Gabbard is buried by the time the Primaries kick off.

    They are the unquestioning mouthpiece for Endless War and the $$$$$$ Military-Industrial complex.

  118. Leigh Lowe

    Consider this scenario: You’re a St Kev’s dropout with no love for the Church — lapsed and bitter, as they say.

    It would be interesting to know his personal circumstances prior to answering Fatty’s advert.
    I mean, all the other Skevvies at the school reunion were doing quite nicely thank you, and what have I got?
    Being 13 in 1996 makes him around 35 now.
    I know a Skevvie of about that vintage. I will sound him out.

  119. Myrddin Seren

    Who is Michael Cohen’s intended audience?

    Cohen related a meeting he had with Trump in mid-July 2016, in which Roger Stone told Trump over speakerphone that he “just got off the phone with Julian Assange, and in a couple of days there’s going to be a massive dump of emails that’s going to significantly hurt the Clinton campaign.”

    The NSA and the CIA ?

    Let’s go to the tape:

    House Dems: Ermmm – NSA, roll the tape. The tape of Stone and Assange and then the tape of Stone’s call to Trump of course !

    Shuffling of feet, flicking of papers…..

  120. dover_beach

    It would be interesting to know his personal circumstances prior to answering Fatty’s advert.

    One of the most ignoble aspects of the Dreyfus-Pell saga. No actual complaints so he had to advertise.

  121. Infidel Tiger

    It would be interesting to know his personal circumstances prior to answering Fatty’s advert.

    Unemployed, drug addicted bum is my guess.

    Now thanks to Vic Pol, Milligan and co, he is a NIDA trained actor.

  122. Notafan

    I love all the coincidences

    Although then Archbishop Pell invariably greeted parishioners on the church steps immediately after mass, this one time the boys decided to swig altar wine, in a room they had never been before, he entered the sacristy alone, in full vestments

    it’s the script for a really really bad horror porn

    As for second time, how could they fall into his trap again?

  123. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Congrats on your appointment, Ita. May I organize your diary for you?

    Top priority

    Letter to Leigh. Thank you for your many years of service, during which time you preformed your duties, entirely to your own satisfaction.

  124. feelthebern

    Alex Jones was 4hours 40mins…
    I look forward to a Saturday of laughs.

  125. Mother Lode

    A Virginia state employee has complained that her eighth-grade daughter was upset during a tour of the historic governor’s residence when first lady Pam Northam handed raw cotton to her and another African American child and asked them to imagine being enslaved and having to pick the crop.

    In all fairness to Hotham who, I have no doubt is as disgusting as any senior Democrat can be, this blackface thing is bollocks.

    It was years ago when the fever-pitched sensitivity to ‘racism’ had yet to be formulated. Back in less oppressive days racism meant something real. Refusing service on the basis of race, denying a job or promotion etc.

    It is now being taken to meaning any way one person’s symbolism can be mapped unfavourably upon with another person’s symbolism. A guy donned blackface probably because it would get a bit of a giggle. He would have a few gags which played to a stereotype which looks a bit tacky now (in these hypersensitive days), but that is it.

    It is the difference between making a flippant joke about sandgropers, or Germans, or architects, and being motivated to really trying to ruin their lives. And, in the example of sandgropers I can’t even imagine what that would be. Because flippancy is not on the same spectrum as malice.

    Notham’s evil is not racism, but conceding this current nonsensical interpretation or ‘racism’ when he knows himself full well that it a nonsense. I don’t know if black people dress up as white people for whatever reason. I don’t care.

    His wife, probably trying too hard and clumsily to display her race-creds, ended up making a fool of herself. But this is what happens when you mix cack-handedness and a profoundly defective theory of what racism is. She was probably trying to to show she understands racism to black kids.

    Cack-handed.

  126. feelthebern

    Link for those who don’t want to lower themselves to search for it.

  127. Notafan

    LL the movie that wasn’t even on
    I think that was the boy who wasn’t even in the boys home during the year he claimed

    Wallington dismissed that one

    the Torquay one didn’t get near the court

    the adult accuser with a grudge against the church has some serious problems with his timeline

    and of course there is is the underlying he know about Ridsdale because confesssion/ housesharing myth

  128. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    this one time the boys decided to swig altar wine, in a room they had never been before, he entered the sacristy alone, in full vestments

    Also, wouldn’t the two boys have been in their choirister’s robes?

  129. VikPol: “Would you say that you witnessed Mr. Rabbit rogering a guinea pig?”

    P: “No”

    VikPol: “I didn’t ask if it was true, I asked if you would say it.”

    P: “ok. I witnessed Mr. Rabbit rogering a guinea pig”

    And so it goes.

  130. dover_beach

    In case you missed it:

    Jesus warned against men like Cardinal Pell. His message could save the Church

    Faine video at the bottom, literally and metaphorically. Never heard of Robert Gascoigne. Sounds very bitter.

  131. calli

    Go into any Australian church on a Sunday and you will find a seat. If you’re lucky, the church will be half-full.

    Won’t be reading any more.

    He starts off with a lie.

    Perhaps he’d like to come to my church.

  132. Zatara

    In all fairness to Hotham who, I have no doubt is as disgusting as any senior Democrat can be, this blackface thing is bollocks.

    I completely agree Mother Lode. I’ll be the first to admit there is a great deal of schadenfreude among conservatives watching the left get bitten by the tiger they thought they were riding.

  133. Old School Conservative

    Hadley noted Mr Abbott faced a difficult contest to hold on to his Sydney seat of Warringah at the forthcoming federal election and observed: “His electorate would be looking at all this at the moment and scratching their heads”.

    All the more reason for Mr Abbott to mobilise the traditional Liberals.
    Again, he demonstrates courage beyond that of many others.
    “The thousandth man”
    ( thanks for that link – I have forgotten who posted it.)

  134. Tony Abbott is innocent!

    (thought I would get in early)

  135. Old School Conservative

    Assuming Cardinal Pell was 55 at the time of the “offences”, here’s a physiological question:
    How many overweight 55 y.o. men can get an instantaneous erection and maintain it for 6 minutes?

    That question would have been interesting at the “trial”.

  136. Frank

    Cohen starting his statement with “Trump is a racist” suggests the Dems must be getting very worried about the black vote.

  137. Zatara

    Assuming Cardinal Pell was 55 at the time of the “offences”, here’s a physiological question:
    How many overweight 55 y.o. men can get an instantaneous erection and maintain it for 6 minutes?

    Miraculous seems the appropriate word here.

  138. You keep repeating this, numbers.
    What’s your BMI?

  139. Geriatric Mayfly

    Ita says, ‘No left wing bias at the ABC.’ The gaggle of Soviets which run the place breathe a sigh of relief, as to the Communes of academics, experts and bearded sages which the ABC has on speed dial.

  140. Armadillo

    Pell and his lawyers should have attacked this ludicrous bullshit from day one.

  141. Old School Conservative

    1735099
    #2946357, posted on February 28, 2019 at 1:32 pm
    … The French they speak in coconut country is different…

    Racist.

  142. Cassie of Sydney

    “Old School Conservative
    #2946491, posted on February 28, 2019 at 3:50 pm
    All the more reason for Mr Abbott to mobilise the traditional Liberals.”

    All the more reason for Abbott to go nuclear.

  143. Armadillo

    All his accusers got their say in the media. Throw enough mud and it sticks.

  144. Stimpson J. Cat

    How many overweight 55 y.o. men can get an instantaneous erection and maintain it for 6 minutes?

    Guys?
    Come on, be honest.
    I’m way out of this age bracket.

  145. Armadillo

    Compare it with Trump and all his accusers. He just slaps them back twice as hard via Twitter.

    You can’t “turn the other cheek” with the leftards. It doesn’t work.

  146. Stimpson J. Cat

    Monty, Numbers?

  147. Leigh Lowe

    Unemployed, drug addicted bum is my guess.

    Now thanks to Vic Pol, Milligan and co, he is a NIDA trained actor.

    That was my guess.
    Or at least a loser in a dead-end job who could do with a $meg.
    I see someone upthread quoting Mzz Milligan as a source of truth.
    One thing Milligan is adept at is projecting an image of stoic but resolute “victims” who have no axe to grind and certainly aren’t in it for the compo.
    She also presents herself is completely disinterested, even sceptical, of the Pell story at the outset and only came around after interviewing the scores of “victims”.
    So AA turns up via video-link with a neat haircut, sharp suit and carefully rehearsed lines, knowing that his back-story of [insert dodgy shit here] will be safely kept away from a jury.

  148. Notafan

    Poor Cardinal Pell

    it didn’t even happen but there has to be a discussion about the statistical likelihood of sexual abilities of older men with him at the middle.

    Farcical

  149. Old School Conservative

    Great article by Brad Norrington in today’s Oz, detailing the extensive help that Labor gave Phelps and now Steggall.

    Tony Abbott is up against a very powerful cabal of opponents.

  150. Dr Faustus

    The Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith investigation of Pell’s conviction will be interesting and probably awkward.

    Although some within the Church personally loathe Pell, it would be a strange outcome if a CDF investigation supported the obviously improbable allegations based on the ‘facts’ that we see. However, a CDF finding of Pell’s innocence would set Cannon law against the whole of the Victorian machinery of justice – which would create an entirely new shitstorm in Australia.

    A potential Winter of faith in either, or both institutions is coming.

    Best hope is for an early appeal hearing.

  151. Leigh Lowe

    Assuming Cardinal Pell was 55 at the time of the “offences”, here’s a physiological question:
    How many overweight 55 y.o. men can get an instantaneous erection and maintain it for 6 minutes?

    Well, for a start, the litre of blood rushing away from the brain makes one feel a bit faint.

  152. Armadillo

    I’ve decided I’m going to give Doc’s soul away to Grigs, FREE of charge.

    I’m also forwarding him the $60 invoice.He will gladly pay and treat the soul as his personal slut.

    Not my problem now.

  153. From vr’s link.

    Were he guilty, he could have stayed put in the extraterritorial safety of the Vatican enclave, untouchable by the Australian authorities.

    A better statement of an earlier post.

    I find the “keep having trials until you get the result you want” abhorrent.

    Which means that Australia—or at least the State of Victoria, where this travesty has played out—is a place where no one is safe, citizen or visitor.

    Do you reckon they could gaol Trump if he was to visit Dannograd?

  154. Armadillo

    I’m even going to waive the transfer fee.

  155. calli

    Do you reckon they could gaol Trump if he was to visit Dannograd?

    Do you want the place nuked?

  156. Did the defense ask the complainant to describe the cardinal’s dick?
    If what he said was true, he should be able to give a reasonable description. Easily verified.

  157. Do you want the place nuked?

    Rhetorical question.

  158. Stimpson J. Cat

    I’ve decided I’m going to give Doc’s soul away to Grigs, FREE of charge.

    Didn’t he sell it to the Devil when he was 14?
    Imagine eternity on a cruise ship with Grigs and BeauGan.

  159. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Labor operatives running ‘independent’ Zali Steggall campaig

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    12:00AM February 28, 2019
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    Zali Steggall’s campaign manager Anthony Reed, who masterminded Kerryn Phelps’s victory in the October by-election in Wentworth, is a veteran Labor Party operative and the business partner of another Labor strategist who is now Dr Phelps’s principal adviser.

    Ms Steggall, the barrister and former world champion alpine skier campaigning to oust Tony Abbott from his blue-ribbon Liberal seat of Warringah on Sydney’s northern beaches, says she is a genuine independent candidate with grassroots support behind her.

    But having Mr Reed, pictured below, as her campaign manager — after he performed the same job for Dr Phelps — introduces outside Labor involvement in her campaign as she also receives support from GetUp and various anti-Abbott climate change groups.

    Mr Reed’s past role for Dr Phelps during the Wentworth campaign, which remained unknown except to a few insiders until now, also sheds new light on the avowed independence of Dr Phelps, who defeated Malcolm Turnbull’s Liberal candidate successor Dave Sharma.

    It is now clear that Dr Phelps had not one Labor operative working for her, but two: Darrin Barnett as campaign media adviser, as previously reported by The Australian, and the low-profile Mr Reed.

    Mr Reed — an ALP member for decades — is the brother of federal Labor MP Sharon Bird, a former chief of staff to two NSW Labor government ministers. Mr Reed’s twin Brett is a former union official and his mother worked in the office of NSW Labor MP Michael Knight for years.

    From the Oz.

  160. Old School Conservative

    Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
    #2946520, posted on February 28, 2019 at 4:13 pm
    Labor operatives running ‘independent’ Zali Steggall campaign

    The real Labor candidate must be feeling quite the third wheel.

  161. C.L.

    An Iranian refugee who set himself on fire on Nauru would have had up to a 95% chance of survival had be been treated in Australia, an inquest has heard.

    It would have been 100 percent if he hadn’t set himself on fire.

  162. The Beer Whisperer

    Cassie of Sydney
    #2946464, posted on February 28, 2019 at 3:08 pm
    Craig McLachlan is toast.

    Cassie, Craig McLachlan was accused of being sexual. In a….wait for it…. A SEX SCENE!! 🤯

    You couldn’t make this up. Actually, you could. Just ask George.

  163. Oh come on

    Poor Cardinal Pell

    it didn’t even happen but there has to be a discussion about the statistical likelihood of sexual abilities of older men with him at the middle.

    It’s revolting. Just gross.

  164. The Beer Whisperer

    Did he make desparate payments to suppliers to keep the doors open?
    Not really.
    One of the payments was a $150k bonus to himself.

    Fark. That’s like if the captain of the Titanic, instead of going down with his ship, raided the ship safe of jewellery placed in its care and pissed off in his private captain’s motorboat in the other direction.

    How could anyone have taken so much as a look at him and considered him trustworthy?? 🤷‍♂️

  165. Stimpson J. Cat

    The Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith investigation of Pell’s conviction will be interesting and probably awkward.

    I’m sure it will be fine.
    Everything is fine.

    No problems at all.

  166. Cats. Please check your shoes. There is a smell of dogshit wafting around the blog.

  167. thefrollickingmole

    How many overweight 55 y.o. men can get an instantaneous erection and maintain it for 6 minutes?

    Was the communion wafer Wafesil?

    Seriously though id put it at about 90% if what they have in front of them is their “fetish”.

  168. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    4.23pm, 28/2/18
    Further ‘hint’ to Cassie. Ratbag stalker.

  169. Zatara

    Do you reckon they could gaol Trump if he was to visit Dannograd?

    The US 1st Marine Division has been there before.

  170. Stimpson J. Cat

    If what he said was true, he should be able to give a reasonable description. Easily verified.

    Richter is supposed to be a top lawyer.
    Surely he would have pursued this.
    It would be ridiculous if he did not.

  171. Fat Tony

    Stimpson J. Cat
    #2946519, posted on February 28, 2019 at 4:13 pm
    I’ve decided I’m going to give Doc’s soul away to Grigs, FREE of charge.

    Didn’t he sell it to the Devil when he was 14?

    Nah….apparently, Satan never came back, figured he’d get it for free eventually anyway. (Or it just wasn’t worth having)

  172. Old School Conservative

    Richter is supposed to be a top lawyer.
    Surely he would have pursued this.

    Except for the point of time when the description would have to be compared to the original.

  173. Fat Tony

    calli
    #2946516, posted on February 28, 2019 at 4:11 pm
    Do you reckon they could gaol Trump if he was to visit Dannograd?

    Do you want the place nuked?

    What a contest – VicPol up against the Secret Service. I’d pay to see that.

  174. Bruce of Newcastle

    Hark! I never thought I would have an opportunity to express an opinion on Cardinal Pell’s erectile capacity at Catallaxy

    You aren’t supposed to be interested in such things Hark.
    Angels do not marry nor are they given in marriage!
    Maybe you aren’t that kind of angel though.

  175. JC

    Richter is supposed to be a top lawyer.
    Surely he would have pursued this.
    It would be ridiculous if he did not.

    Maybe he never thought of it. Maybe the client himself nixed that sort of unrefined commentary.

  176. Fat Tony

    Harken Now = Trollius Faecus

    FUCK OFF TROLL and get professional psychiatric help

  177. Stimpson J. Cat

    Isn’t Dot a lawyer?
    Where the f$ck is he?
    You can only shop for Bowties for so long.
    It’s been ages.

  178. JC

    Climate Harkel

    Do you think Pell is guilty of the crime. Yes or no?

  179. Infidel Tiger

    Isn’t Dot a lawyer?
    Where the f$ck is he?

    I always like to think that the commenters that have left this horrible forum have got better lives.

    The truth is they all most likely dead.

  180. Fat Tony

    Bruce of Newcastle
    #2946542, posted on February 28, 2019 at 4:38 pm
    Maybe you aren’t that kind of angel though.

    I would surmise the type with the black leathery wings, Bruce

  181. lotocoti

    Cats. Please check your shoes.

    SfB is back from his long exile?

  182. Eyrie

    ” Do you reckon they could gaol Trump if he was to visit Dannograd?

    Do you want the place nuked?”

    Actually that sounds like a not too bad idea as long as they do Canberra too. While parliament is in session, of course.

  183. Fat Tony

    Infidel Tiger
    #2946547, posted on February 28, 2019 at 4:44 pm
    Isn’t Dot a lawyer?
    Where the f$ck is he?

    I always like to think that the commenters that have left this horrible forum have got better lives.

    The truth is they all most likely dead.

    IT – those 2 outcomes are not mutually exclusive.

  184. Zatara

    Richter is supposed to be a top lawyer.
    Surely he would have pursued this.
    It would be ridiculous if he did not.

    Pissing in the wind under these circumstances. Total waste of effort.

    The art of the offense in defense, bit of Rommel in the desert.

    When the time comes (on appeal), cry havoc and release the dogs of war.

  185. Leigh Lowe

    Richter is supposed to be a top lawyer.
    Surely he would have pursued this.
    It would be ridiculous if he did not.

    The list of subjects on which the “victim” cannot be cross-examined is yuuuuge.
    Anything which might “re-traumatize the victim” is verbotten.

  186. 1735099

    Interesting to note the complaints upthread about the alleged MSM plot to use Cohen’s testimony to drown out Fatty 5Ds Hanoi sideshow.
    Scroll back and observe this thread’s obsession with a certain Melbourne cleric.

  187. areff

    I know a Skevvie of about that vintage. I will sound him out.

    Appreciate that

    As a product of a school further up Glenferrie Road with a turn at Barkers Road — alas, not in the direction of the MLC dormitory — old boys’ gatherings seem to represent only about 50%. The rest left and don’t respond. He could well be one of the latter types. I’ve never been to an old boys’ function in my life, but stay in touch with people worth staying in touch with.

  188. Lysander

    I’m convinced Pell is taking this as a Christian (innocent of charges) because George:

    -Asked for the supression order to be lifted against Richter’s advice. He is comfortable serving time innocently;
    -We know he refused to play politics in the media and destroy his accuser;
    -Has recently told friends he is merely “on retreat” in prison.

    An amazing man whom I’d gladly introduce all of my young children to.

  189. Geriatric Mayfly

    Maybe you aren’t that kind of angel though.

    An incubus fits.

  190. Zatara

    The list of subjects on which the “victim” cannot be cross-examined is yuuuuge.
    Anything which might “re-traumatize the victim” is verbotten.

    Interestingly, not in the US. But then again the whole idea of a secret trial doesn’t play there.

    They have those pesky, constitutional, rules about the right to face the witnesses against you.

    When the trial is over, even in the most “sensitive” ones, the record is available to the public.

  191. JC

    An amazing man whom I’d gladly introduce all of my young children to.

    While I don’t believe for a second he would be in anyway harmful to your kids or anyone else’s past of present, why is he an amazing man? Not fighting back to protect one’s innocence is not amazing. It’s certainly not weak, but FFS , fight back when the Orcs are after you.

  192. thefrollickingmole

    Scroll back and observe this thread’s obsession with a certain Melbourne cleric.

    Does anyone have a clue what this idiot is talking about?
    Seems to think its landing a “zinger” but really its just dribbling apple sauce down its bib.

  193. Zatara

    Not fighting back to protect one’s innocence is not amazing. It’s certainly not weak, but FFS , fight back when the Orcs are after you.

    There are times when one decides to piss after the wind isn’t in their face.

  194. JC

    Lysander;

    What’s it got him, not fight back? An innocent man with a long stretch in prison and now, the impossibility of totally clearing his name.

  195. Leigh Lowe

    When the time comes (on appeal), cry havoc and release the dogs of war.

    That is right.
    He can raise all sorts of issues … the character/reliability of the single witness, Plod’s failure to interview exculpatory witnesses, maybe Judge Kidd’s jury instruction.
    That is not to say the trial is re-run, but Richter is looking to demonstrate that, without investigative and admissability failings, an acquittal was likely.

    Appeal Judges : “But, Mr Richter, we must be able to conclude that this additional information would have resulted in a jury acquittimg.”
    Richter: “No need to hypothesize, yer onners. If this evidence had swung just one juror in the first trial, we wouldn’t be here today”.

  196. Geriatric Mayfly

    -Has recently told friends he is merely “on retreat” in prison.

    If they’re anything like the retreats we shared in our school days, it would be tantamount to more punishment. Fire breathing Redemptorists brought in to minister to the growing pains of yoof. George will be writing orders for videos in lieu.

  197. Notafan

    Why do people think Cardinal Pell is not ‘fighting back’

    He plead not guilty, he engaged a legal team he is appealing

    you really think a man of God should fight dirty?

    He’s devoted his entire life to serving God, exclusively, why should he change now because the chips are down? .

  198. Infidel Tiger

    What’s your BMI?

    23

    Not your IQ, numbnuts.

  199. JC

    Scroll back and observe this thread’s obsession with a certain Melbourne cleric.

    First off, he’s not a melbourne cleric. He was a cardinal based in Rome who willingly returned to face his accusers. He was born and raised in Ballarat. So wrong on all counts.

    Secondly, it’s pretty telling that the climate canute is thrilled with the verdict.

  200. dover_beach

    I’m convinced Pell is taking this as a Christian (innocent of charges) because George:

    -Asked for the supression order to be lifted against Richter’s advice. He is comfortable serving time innocently;
    -We know he refused to play politics in the media and destroy his accuser;
    -Has recently told friends he is merely “on retreat” in prison.

    An amazing man whom I’d gladly introduce all of my young children to.

    This is the man Robert Gascoigne called the archetypal Pharisee.

    why is he an amazing man? Not fighting back to protect one’s innocence is not amazing.

    No. Only an amazing man can bear this calumny upon himself, refrain from destroying an obviously disturbed and weak individual, make light of his imprisonment, and now aim for victory on appeal. BTW, he is fighting back, he’s just not thumping his chest.

  201. JC

    There are times when one decides to piss after the wind isn’t in their face.

    Zat, appeals against jury verdicts in criminal cases aren’t easy. In any event, even if he won an appeal his name is forever blackened.

    Orcs like the Climate Harkel would see to it.

  202. Oh come on

    1735099
    #2946554, posted on February 28, 2019 at 4:52 pm

    What’s your BMI?

    23

    Hey, it’s the same as your IQ. What are the odds.

  203. Mark A

    Lysander
    #2946558, posted on February 28, 2019 at 4:59 pm

    I’m convinced Pell is taking this as a Christian (innocent of charges) because George:

    -Asked for the supression order to be lifted against Richter’s advice. He is comfortable serving time innocently;
    -We know he refused to play politics in the media and destroy his accuser;
    -Has recently told friends he is merely “on retreat” in prison.

    An amazing man whom I’d gladly introduce all of my young children to.

    I’m sure you do and also I’m 99% sure he is innocent.

    But as I said yesterday, taking it on the chin like a good Christian and not fighting the charges tooth and nail and with the strongest vigor, is not going to help him or the church.

    People will forget about his humility and ‘martyrdom’, if they understand it in the first place, but always remember him as p.file priest.

    Whom is it going to help?

    PS.I do believe that Richter handled this badly. Whether on advice or not by his client makes no difference.

  204. Infidel Tiger

    Fairafx dragging out more victim porn every hour.

    Yeah, we know Pell’s not guilty of a crime, but his “tone”

  205. Zatara

    JC

    His chances in the kangaroo court were exactly zilch. They knew that.

    His chances on appeal are excellent because much of that secret shit is out the window.

    We’ll see.

  206. calli

    This is the man Robert Gascoigne called the archetypal Pharisee.

    Projection.

  207. JC

    Can anyone point me to a single comment made by the Climate harkel that isn’t laced with typical leftwing sanctimonious smugness? I bet Climate Harkel won’t be stoic when he fronts the Bane’s court I’m presiding over and is asked to choose between exile or death …(exile being able to walk the length of the Pacific Ocean).

  208. calli

    Yeah, we know Pell’s not guilty of a crime, but his “tone”

    They’re after him too.

  209. Notafan

    who cares what ‘people’ remember

    you think, no matter what he did or does, the mob would ever stop baying for his blood?

    pretending that he is in control of his destiny when the machinery of government has been used, with great malice, to roll him into dust is just rubbish thinking

    he was marked as a ‘file by those filled with ‘hatred of the church’ a long long time ago

    What matters for him is that he is right with God

    Like many many martyrs before him.

  210. JC

    Without doubt, the first question Pell would have been asked if he took the witness box would have been…

    Do you believe in climate change?

  211. 1735099

    First off, he’s not a Melbourne cleric.

    Picky – picky. Pell spent most of his career as Archbishop of Melbourne or as an Australian Cardinal based in Melbourne.
    Melbourne cleric is an entirely reasonable description.
    If it makes you happy, you can substitute “Australian prelate”.
    Whatever…..

  212. thefrollickingmole

    PS.I do believe that Richter handled this badly. Whether on advice or not by his client makes no difference.

    I dont think so, he saw all the other “background” charges dropped and the first trial where they jury actually got to see & weigh up the demeanor of the accuser went Pells way 10-2.
    There is a reason the same evidence, minus the accuser suddenly became unanimously guilty.

    Occasionally jurys throw up perverse looking judgments, and it is worth remembering there has been 3+ years of pump priming by their ABC, the leaky cops and every news organ in Oz.

  213. Stimpson J. Cat

    There is one other crazy possibility that keeps rattling around in my mind about Pell and his innocence.
    It all boils down to three questions.
    What kind of man is he really?
    How much does he love Jesus and the Church?
    What would such a man be willing to sacrifice to clean it ALL out from Top to Bottom?
    Precedent?

  214. JC

    It’s as apt a desecration* as calling you a former army man, numbers nuts.

    *Whoops.. spellcheck error… meant description.

    Don’t ever talk to me again.

  215. JC

    Where are you going with that, Stimson?

  216. Zatara

    Graduate from high school, don’t have a kid before you are 20, and get married before you have a kid.

    Recipe for success. Interestingly from an Obama aide.

  217. Leigh Lowe

    thefrollickingmole

    #2946563, posted on February 28, 2019 at 5:05 pm

    Scroll back and observe this thread’s obsession with a certain Melbourne cleric.

    Jeez, mole, the argument isn’t just about Pell.
    It is about effectively nobbling any possible jury through the saturation media coverage before trial.
    It is about the over-reaction to evidentiary rules (“victims” are to be believed) in abuse cases. See also the crazy bint in Canberra who had her ex jailed for rape on her word alone despite exhibiting overt bunny-boiler traits.
    It is the misuse of protocols to protect 9-10 year old witnesses and applying them to 40 year olds (eg remote video witness boxes so the jury can’t eyeball them).
    It is the media driving police investigations and ultimately charges, and the saturation coverage of the case. For example, I have high regard for Hedley Thomas, but will Chris Dawson get a fair trial after the “Teacher’s Pet” podcast?

  218. Notafan

    Picky – picky. Pell spent most of his career as Archbishop of Melbourne or as an Australian Cardinal based in Melbourne.

    no he didn’t 1986 to 2001 in Melbourne

    after being ordained in 66 and serving in country Victoria, then after 2001 Sydney then the Vatican

    you really want to pretend that this isn’t the big story of the last few days

    yet every Sunday you piously inform us that you are ‘just home from mass’

    no wonder you are anathema to most people on this blog

    There is no stoop too low for you you festering hypocrite and perennial liar.

  219. Old School Conservative

    Occasionally jurys throw up perverse looking judgments, and it is worth remembering there has been 3+ years of pump priming by their ABC, the leaky cops and every news organ in Oz.

    A similar situation is now facing NRL players. Compulsory stand down when faced with serious criminal offences.
    Potential jury members read the bloke has been stood down, lots of negative publicity, the NRL obviously considers him guilty, and “poof” – guilty as charged….before the evidence is presented.

  220. Geriatric Mayfly

    pretending that he is in control of his destiny when the machinery of government has been used, with great malice, to roll him into dust is just rubbish thinking

    Let’s not forget, there are money changers in the corrupt temple that is Victoria.

  221. Elle

    Just read an article on-line re Ita Buttrose and her new gig at the ABC.
    Trigger warning; It’s the SMH.
    This paragraph stood out.

    The opposition is unlikely to publicly criticise Ms Buttrose as a choice although one Labor source observed her involvement with the Liberal Party over the years, including attendance at political fundraisers and support for Liberal preselection candidates.

    Wonder is she has enough power to make some much needed changes

    link

  222. thefrollickingmole

    Factual – Factual. Pell spent most of his career as Archbishop of Melbourne or as an Australian Cardinal based in Melbourne.

    You dont get to play school snitch about spelling/grammar inaccuracies then get actual facts wrong windowlicker herder.

  223. Nick

    Jeez, mole, the argument isn’t just about Pell.
    It is about effectively nobbling any possible jury through the saturation media coverage before trial.
    It is about the over-reaction to evidentiary rules (“victims” are to be believed) in abuse cases. See also the crazy bint in Canberra who had her ex jailed for rape on her word alone despite exhibiting overt bunny-boiler traits.
    It is the misuse of protocols to protect 9-10 year old witnesses and applying them to 40 year olds (eg remote video witness boxes so the jury can’t eyeball them).
    It is the media driving police investigations and ultimately charges, and the saturation coverage of the case. For example, I have high regard for Hedley Thomas, but will Chris Dawson get a fair trial after the “Teacher’s Pet” podcast?

    It’s also about a conviction for a serious offence that doesn’t need any corroboration or evidence other than a testimony of one person.

  224. Geriatric Mayfly

    If the Canberra local politburo is banning that black face balloon (after 20 years of flight) why didn’t they also shoot that Macklin monstrosity out of the sky? Obviously, aesthetics do not trouble these clowns.

  225. Dr Faustus

    Something odd is happening at the Trump-Kim show.

  226. Old School Conservative

    Picky – picky

    Ha! This may just come back to bite our resident grammar and facts policeman.

  227. Leigh Lowe

    Fire breathing Redemptorists brought in to minister to the growing pains of yoof. George will be writing orders for videos in lieu.

    Ah, yes, the annual Redemptorist “missions”.
    I remember them well from my yoof.
    Pretty much everything I had a mind to have a crack at would unfortunately result in my soul “being lost forever in the eternal fires of hell.”
    Being an avid reader and a 14 year old pedant, it did occur to me to point out to Father that the use of “forever” and “eternal” was a tautology, but I thought the better of it.

  228. thefrollickingmole

    Leigh Lowe

    I pinched that line from Sideshow Bobs post a bit further up.

  229. Tom

    Trump press conference rescheduled for 2pm in Hanoi (6pm AEDT). No-one has any idea on what he and Kim have agreed to, whether they are to have further talks before they leave or what they will announce.

  230. JC

    Wonder is she has enough power to make some much needed changes

    Are you doing illicit drugs to even ask that question?

    No! Of course she doesn’t.

  231. Old School Conservative

    See also the crazy bint in Canberra who had her ex jailed for rape on her word alone despite exhibiting overt bunny-boiler traits.

    …and he had a cast iron alibi which her friends in the police chose to ignore.

  232. JC

    In the great Circle of Karma, the climate change denying Cardinal may succeed on appeal, and if he does, announce on the prison steps that he had time to get some information on climate change and redeem himself by announcing he was wrong and is embarrassed by his earlier advocacy of Plimer wrongology.

    You psychotic fuck . Exile won’t even be offered as a choice.

  233. Elle

    Are you doing illicit drugs to even ask that question?

    Nup. 😎
    Drug tested at work.
    She’s a powerful woman. Made her own way in her chosen industry.
    I can at least fantasize that changes may eventually be made at the ABC.
    Give me that, at least. 🙂

  234. Lysander

    wow; I stirred quite the debate!

    On Pell being the lamb to the slaughter. Well, that’s Christianity JC. Most of us struggle with that part of it but the RCC takes a pretty long view on history, knows it was founded by 11 blokes of ill-repute and a few noble women. Pell may think his incarceration may save one life in the future; an ideal and belief I’m sure he’d die for.

  235. thefrollickingmole

    yet a jury was convinced by someone who presumably presents his story much more credibly than anyone here can believe.

    Harkhead actually rivals Monty for “the most factually wrong post” 2019.

    Harkhead has learning difficulties.

    The recording from the first trial was admitted as the complainant’s evidence. The recording was available to the public only insofar as it was quoted by the barristers in their examination of other witnesses or in their final ­addresses to the jury and by the judge in his charge to the jury. So, no member of the public has a complete picture of the evidence and no member of the public is able to make an assessment of the complainant’s demeanour.

    They watched a tape.

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