Wednesday Forum: February 27, 2019

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  1. cohenite

    Was that male the oleaginous union parrot?

    Steve; one of the best portrayals of the self-centred empty left that you’ll find.

  2. None

    Exactly mayfly. These idiots not only don’t know that there is an appeal still to be heard but they don’t realise that people like them are actually enablers because they groom kids to accept this as normal sexual behaviour. Remember Dr kerryn Phelps and made a video saying it’s ok for prepubescent kids to masturbate.

  3. None

    Thanks Cohenite. I thought the second series had a couple of flat episodes but the best moment there was when the gay guy let on that he’d humoed a girl teacher and liked it and the lesbian PE teacher went ballistic.

  4. Leigh Lowe

    Was that male the oleaginous union parrot?

    I forget the characters, but yes … made a great display of being the full on supportive feminist until reality hit.

  5. DrBeauGan

    None
    #2946882, posted on February 28, 2019 at 10:24 pm
    Exactly mayfly. These idiots not only don’t know that there is an appeal still to be heard but they don’t realise that people like them are actually enablers because they groom kids to accept this as normal sexual behaviour. Remember Dr kerryn Phelps and made a video saying it’s ok for prepubescent kids to masturbate.

    Wickedness! Everybody knows it will make you blind.

  6. Armadillo

    I have some relatives who proudly say they only ever listen to the ABC

    I can actually understand some peoples attraction to the ABC. It can seem quite “civilised” compared to the endless bogans on “free to air”. You can only watch so much bullshit “reality TV”.

    The big problem with the ABC is the bias to the left. If they stuck to documentaries and simply reporting the news, it would be a national treasure, rather than a idealogical propaganda machine.

  7. None

    Carpe is right. George wWeigel who is always a good read is an exceptionally good read on the Pell Affair in First Things.

  8. Old School Conservative

    The best scene in “7 Periods…” to me was the haka given by Gormsby’s class as a mark of respect on his departure.

  9. Tintarella di Luna

    It can seem quite “civilised” compared to the endless bogans on “free to air”. You can only watch so much bullshit “reality TV”.

    . Have not watched the ABC or free to air since 2007 – I mostly watch cooking shows and old episodes of Law & Order: Criminal Intent – for many years Popeye and Little Bear were the daily eyeball fare,so I’ve missed much

  10. None

    Carpe is right George Weigel who is always a good read is spot on at First Things. Australia is now on trial. https://www.firstthings.com/web-exclusives/2019/02/the-pell-affair-australia-is-now-on-trial I love pearls characterisation of his time in jail: “going on retreat”. Keep fighting my good man.

  11. MatrixTransform

    Gormsby’s haka made me tear up a little.

    Tonight the crazy old woman put on the movie Bohemian Rhapsody.
    I swore I wouldn’t watch a minute of it … and then didn’t budge from the couch.

    Nicer mood in The Cat tonite

  12. None

    Yeah well I got teary at that bit old school but I always cry at movies.

  13. MatrixTransform

    yeah, well I hold breath for screen kisses

  14. Crossie

    What do I think of Ita Buttrose as chair of the ABC?

    The more things change the more they stay the same but if she brings in the nude centrefold I’ll go looking for my old copies of Cleo in the shed to see how they stack up against the new version.

  15. C.L.

    How to talk to your children about the Pell case

    No problem.
    A mentally deranged pervert convinced corrupt police (led by a commissioner who recently took mental illness leave) that a saintly man did something very bad indeed to two children. Happily, though, they were lying and no such thing ever happened. Now, I want you to remember this, children: never – ever – be alone with a member of the Victoria Police.

  16. MatrixTransform

    Jack Thompson centrefold with a strategically placed tv remote

  17. None

    And I still walk out at the gratuitous sex scenes – I refuse to watch most movies these days because I always prefer the ones which had the gratuitous car chase. They are no better than pornography and I know that it’s always the women that have to get their kit off while we women in the audience are left without any eye candy. This is also why I have very little Sympathy for the me too movement. If you spend your entire career simulating sex in front of 150 people in order to film it for 150 million you can’t fucken well complain when somebody makes a lurid pass at you.

  18. Tintarella di Luna

    if she brings in the nude centrefold I’ll go looking for my old copies of Cleo in the shed to see how they stack up against the new version.

    Crossie the winds of change will blow you away with the diversity.

  19. Geriatric Mayfly

    I forget the characters, but yes … made a great display of being the full on supportive feminist until reality hit.

    Forgetfulness is my shadow these days. That ridiculous pony tail he wore, used to give me flash backs and PTSD. So many losers and loyal union lap dogs in the real teaching world with similar affectations. Had he rolled it up into a man-bun I swear I would not have been responsible.

  20. Tintarella di Luna

    C.L.
    #2946900, posted on February 28, 2019 at 10:43 pm
    I love this version, brevity and accuracy.

  21. None

    Idta Buttrose is an unreconstructed Lefty. she will be worse than everyone in that has been there before her. You heard it here first and you heard it from me.

  22. MatrixTransform

    Well you gotta love the modern Bond then

  23. Tintarella di Luna

    What do I think of Ita Buttrose as chair of the ABC?

    Does anyone know who else was in the mix?

  24. None

    I hear you gGeriatric. Frankly I just wanted to strangle that character. Oleaginous was the perfect descriptor.

  25. Crossie

    We know what ScoMo is politically so why would anyone think he would be any better as a human resource official? He is simply shuffling the chairs on the Titanic, ABC will eventually sink under its own weight though personally, I would like to see it scuttled in the near future.

  26. DrBeauGan

    That ridiculous pony tail he wore, used to give me flash backs and PTSD. So many losers and loyal union lap dogs in the real teaching world with similar affectations. Had he rolled it up into a man-bun I swear I would not have been responsible.

    We need to remind ourselves that it is always ok to laugh at crass, hypocritical, posturing idiots. The fact that the media has stopped doing it is no reason the rest of us should stop.

  27. Crossie

    MatrixTransform
    #2946901, posted on February 28, 2019 at 10:43 pm
    Jack Thompson centrefold with a strategically placed tv remote

    You give him too much credit, that was a staple.

  28. None

    Well said Beaugan. There may be some soul left in you yet.

  29. Tintarella di Luna

    Well colour me surprised and just in time:

    Australia slips in ‘rule of law’ rankings
    By DANIEL MCCULLOCH
    AUSTRALIAN ASSOCIATED PRESS
    46 MINUTES AGO FEBRUARY 28, 2019
    Australia has dropped out of the top 10 in global rankings on adherence to the rule of law, with annual global results showing more countries declined than improved their performance.

    Australia now stands at 11th place out of 126 countries in the World Justice Project index.

    The score places Australia second out of 15 countries in the East Asia and Pacific region, and also 11th out of 38 high income countries.

    The country’s best result was in “open government” and its poorest in “order and security”.

    New Zealand was the top performer in the region while the Philippines, Myanmar and Cambodia were the worst.

    The index measures how the rule of law is experienced and perceived by the general public worldwide based on more than 120,000 household and 3800 expert surveys in the 126 countries.

    It measures performance based on constraints on government powers, absence of corruption, open government, fundamental rights, order and security, regulatory enforcement, civil justice and criminal justice.

    For the second year in a row, the scores showed a continuing negative slide towards weaker rule of law around the world.

    Scores for “constraints on government power” declined in more countries than any other factor over the past year.

    This measure tracks the extent to which those who govern are bound by checks such as an independent judiciary, a free press and the ability of legislatures to apply oversight.

    World Justice Project executive director Elizabeth Anderson fears the worsening results point to a rise in authoritarianism.

    “This slide in rule of law in general and checks on government powers in particular is deeply concerning,” she said on Thursday night.

    The second largest decline for the year was in the area of criminal justice, followed by open government and fundamental rights.

    However, more countries improved in “absence of corruption” than declined for the second year in a row.

    The top three overall performers were Denmark, Norway and Finland while the bottom three were the Democratic Republic of the Congo, Cambodia and Venezuela.

    WORLD JUSTICE PROJECT INDEX TOP 10:

    1. Denmark

    2. Norway

    3. Finland

    4. Sweden

    5. Netherlands

    6. Germany

    7. Austria

    8. New Zealand

    9. Canada

    10. Estonia

    WORLD JUSTICE PROJECT INDEX BOTTOM 10:

    117. Pakistan

    118. Ethiopia

    119. Bolivia

    120. Cameroon

    121. Egypt

    122. Mauritania

    123. Afghanistan

    124. Democratic Republic of Congo

    125. Cambodia

    126. Venezuela

  30. max

    Talking of films, this could be worth a ticket: The Guilty.

    The raw-nerve jangle that this thriller delivers is partly thanks to a screenplay, co-written by Möller and Emil Nygaard Albertsen, which is as clever as it is deft. Steering clear of swampy patches of exposition, it’s a thrillingly lightfooted approach to storytelling that gives us just enough to work with in order to shape our own suspicions and conclusions. But a crucial part of the picture is Cedergren’s tinderbox of a performance. Police officer Holm has been taken off the street pending a formal investigation, which is scheduled for the following day. From his brusque manner it seems he feels the emergency phone operator work is beneath him. But there’s something more than that. A brief, jovial chat with a former colleague from the city beat leaves him hollowed out and deadened. The camera creeps towards him as he stares, unseeing, at his desk and catches the glint of a tear in his eye.

    For reasons that eventually become clear, Holm very much needs to be a hero right now. When he answers a sob-choked call from Iben (voiced by Jessica Dinnage), phoning covertly from her ex-husband’s van, Holm grabs at the chance to redeem himself. Without giving away too much – this is a film that plays best when you know the least – the dexterous reveals and twists land like a punch to the gut.

  31. None

    Correct Crossie. He belongs to the same club as Murray, Hadley and Fordham.

  32. Armadillo

    Tonight the crazy old woman put on the movie Bohemian Rhapsody.

    Freddie was a talented weirdo.

  33. Crossie

    C.L.
    #2946900, posted on February 28, 2019 at 10:43 pm
    How to talk to your children about the Pell case

    No problem.
    A mentally deranged pervert convinced corrupt police (led by a commissioner who recently took mental illness leave) that a saintly man did something very bad indeed to two children. Happily, though, they were lying and no such thing ever happened. Now, I want you to remember this, children: never – ever – be alone with a member of the Victoria Police.

    It’s quite simple really, this is the second time Victoria has jailed Christians while adherents of another religion rampage its streets as they please.

  34. Pedro the Ignorant

    I am just appalled at the pitiful and contemptible intellectual and moral ignorance dialled up to eleventh by salivating jackals spruiking the most salacious and malicious calumny against Cardinal Pell, even as an appeal has been lodged. What a disgrace

    From Tinta.

    Hear, hear, Tinta.

    Even though I am only a lukewarm Catholic, I have been deeply saddened by the howling mob let loose by the Pell verdict.

    Some of the finest men I have ever known were the Catholic priests and brothers who educated me and set me on life’s path, and they have my greatest respect.

    I had to listen to some good friends today spreading lies and barefaced hatred against Cardinal Pell and the church. it was all I could do to not start swinging punches.

  35. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Somebody help me here. Cardinal Pell was an official of the Vatican. He has citizenship of the Vatican City State, and holds a Vatican diplomatic passport. If he was guilty, he could just have stayed in the Vatican enclave and tell Fatty Ashton’s Flying Circus where to go and how to get there?

  36. Crossie

    Australia slips in ‘rule of law’ rankings

    The top four are the Scandinavians that are currently selling out their own citizens in favour of the Muslim refugees.

    Yeah, no.

  37. Tintarella di Luna

    I had to listen to some good friends today spreading lies and barefaced hatred against Cardinal Pell and the church. it was all I could do to not start swinging punches.

    I admire your restraint Pedro, I had my blood pressure rise while on the phone to my sister. I’m a Catholic and am simply disgusted at the behaviour of so many who know nothing at all about the Catholic Church, its traditions and rites – it is quite sickening, it almost makes me heathen in my disgust.

  38. Fat Tony

    Armadillo

    Did you manage to off-load that thread-bare soul you got lumbered with?
    You got ripped off paying $60 for it.
    Did any of the Satanists offer you anything for it?

  39. Old School Conservative

    None
    #2946909, posted on February 28, 2019 at 10:48 pm
    I hear you gGeriatric. Frankly I just wanted to strangle that character. Oleaginous was the perfect descriptor.

    Steve Mudgeway was so good at being a low down, conniving snake that even today when I see him in “The Brokenwood Mysteries” (2014) playing a different character, I hate him for being so oleaginous.

  40. None

    Remember the three women are dead because of the Victorian judicial system.

  41. Tintarella di Luna

    If he was guilty, he could just have stayed in the Vatican enclave and tell Fatty Ashton’s Flying Circus where to go and how to get there?

    Prezactly Zulu, but George Pell is an honourable man and an innocent one. This conviction is a travesty but then that’s the injustice system in Victoria.

  42. None

    Correct Zulu. He voluntarily came home to Australia because he knew he was innocent and he wanted to clear his name.

  43. Crossie

    Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
    #2946920, posted on February 28, 2019 at 11:00 pm
    Somebody help me here. Cardinal Pell was an official of the Vatican. He has citizenship of the Vatican City State, and holds a Vatican diplomatic passport. If he was guilty, he could just have stayed in the Vatican enclave and tell Fatty Ashton’s Flying Circus where to go and how to get there?

    I believe Pope Frankie kicked him out because Pell uncovered financial shenanigans by Frankie’s friends.

    You can take a man out of South American but you can’t take South America out of the man.

  44. Tintarella di Luna

    Remember the three women are dead because of the Victorian judicial system.

    and 2 years ago 6 innocents were killed because of craven Victorian policing

  45. MatrixTransform

    Australia slips in ‘rule of law’ rankings

    what also makes me laugh is Aust standing on the corruption perception index.

  46. Old School Conservative

    Change.org sent me a link to sign up to a petition demanding Cardinal Pell’s AO be stripped from him.
    I replied that their written justification was a lie and defamatory.
    Just a little push back but if enough people do small things then a large wave of activism is unleashed.

  47. None

    Don’t let the bastards get to you people when they pull out yet another calumny against Pill. Just go for the jugular with a great big smile on your face. So is some middle-aged fukwit lefty makw goes on about Pell being a pedo just smile sweetly and point out that you don’t know any 55 year old male that can get it up in 1 minute much less under 3 layers of Bishop’s vestments without at least a truckload of Viagra and several hours massage. Then invite them to reenact his crime. Works for me.

  48. DrBeauGan

    Australia slips in ‘rule of law’ rankings
    By DANIEL MCCULLOCH
    AUSTRALIAN ASSOCIATED PRESS
    46 MINUTES AGO FEBRUARY 28, 2019
    Australia has dropped out of the top 10 in global rankings on adherence to the rule of law, with annual global results showing more countries declined than improved their performance.

    I notice something interesting in need of explanation. The top ten countries are all cold, really cold in winter. The bottom ten countries are all warm.

    Maybe that’s why Oz is headed down. 😊

  49. Tintarella di Luna

    I believe Pope Frankie kicked him out because Pell uncovered financial shenanigans by Frankie’s friends.

    Big-nose Bergoglio is not the legitimate Pope, and he’s certainly not my Pope.

  50. None

    Well done old school that’s what everyone should do, just push back. ut doesn’t have to be any grand gesture just keep pushing back.

  51. Pedro the Ignorant

    Politicians waffle on ad nauseum about Australia’s international standing over everything from culling kangaroos to climate change.

    Australia’s “international standing” went down the sewer yesterday when the gaol cell door slammed on Cardinal Pell.

    A black mark this country will never, ever live down.

  52. Geriatric Mayfly

    I hope George will not mind, but in Intermediate we were both taught by the same Brother, who had been in that very classroom over several geological epochs. Little eccentricities became his persona over time, some of which were matters of legend, and always worth a muffled guffaw or two. His classroom was arranged on the basis of monthly tests, and at the head of the first row sat the Prime Minister and next to him the Deputy. The trail made its way sinuously through the assembled 40 or so down to the back, where the has-beens might wax or wane slightly according to the tides of ignorance. (Streaming at its most egregious. Summon the fainting couches) George, as you may have guessed, was always Prime Minister, except for only one occasion I can recall, when usurped by the Deputy.

  53. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Prezactly Zulu, but George Pell is an honourable man and an innocent one. This conviction is a travesty but then that’s the injustice system in Victoria.

    “Honourable” is a word that the “justice” system in Victoria would have to look up in the dictionary, isn’t it?

  54. Old School Conservative

    Richter’s apology for saying “plain vanilla sexual penetration case” is well written. No-where does he say “if any offence has been caused..”

  55. Crossie

    Tintarella di Luna
    #2946934, posted on February 28, 2019 at 11:11 pm
    I believe Pope Frankie kicked him out because Pell uncovered financial shenanigans by Frankie’s friends.

    Big-nose Bergoglio is not the legitimate Pope, and he’s certainly not my Pope.

    Nor mine. What surprised me recently is finding out that my very Catholic two sisters-in-law were of the same opinion. I expected that they would simply follow the official line yet there they were in open rebellion. If Frankie remains the pope for much longer we could be looking at a schism.

  56. None

    Why am I not surprised to read that Mayfly. George Pell is one of our greats. He is a towering individual in more ways than one and it infuriates me that tonight he is sitting in a jail cell. I am so ashamed of my country this week. Actually appalled even though I have long said and known that Victoria is a total toilet.

  57. Fat Tony

    Old School Conservative
    #2946931, posted on February 28, 2019 at 11:10 pm
    Change.org sent me a link to sign up to a petition demanding Cardinal Pell’s AO be stripped from him.
    I replied that their written justification was a lie and defamatory.
    Just a little push back but if enough people do small things then a large wave of activism is unleashed.

    I got that one too – as well as others I strongly disagree with.

    Just how do you go about what you did: “I replied that their written justification was a lie and defamatory.”

  58. Crossie

    Pedro the Ignorant
    #2946936, posted on February 28, 2019 at 11:12 pm
    Politicians waffle on ad nauseum about Australia’s international standing over everything from culling kangaroos to climate change.

    Australia’s “international standing” went down the sewer yesterday when the gaol cell door slammed on Cardinal Pell.

    A black mark this country will never, ever live down.

    We are already living in a binary world, the Left and the right, so our standing will be different in each one.

  59. None

    I wouldn’t be surprised if Pell himself didn’t instruct Richter to apologise for that remark.

  60. Geriatric Mayfly

    Politicians waffle on ad nauseum about Australia’s international standing over everything from culling kangaroos to climate change.
    For some on the Left there is nothing which brings greater opprobrium overseas than our dealing with country shoppers. Billions of minds are seldom preoccupied with anything else and we should be ashamed to be Australian.

  61. Crossie

    Change.org sent me a link to sign up to a petition demanding Cardinal Pell’s AO be stripped from him.

    There is nothing unusual about that demand when you remember we are no longer a united country or society. I want so much for this not to be true, I have grandchildren whom I want to experience a country that I grew up in, not this chaotic conglomeration of dwellers.

  62. mh

    The wife of embattled Virginia Gov. Ralph Northam is at the center of another potentially embarrassing moment for the state’s Democratic leadership, after an African-American legislative page claimed she gave her and another black page a ball of cotton and asked, “Can you imagine being an enslaved person and having to pick this all day?”…

    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/virginias-first-lady-under-fire-after-handing-out-cotton-to-visiting-students

  63. Old School Conservative

    Fat Tony
    #2946942, posted on February 28, 2019 at 11:23 pm
    Just how do you go about what you did

    I clicked on the “feedback” link at the very bottom of the petition, answered several multiple choice questions (giving them the lowest possible rating on each one) then put my criticism in the comments box.

  64. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Just how do you go about what you did: “I replied that their written justification was a lie and defamatory.”

    I’ve got a ChangeOrg petition from Derryn Hunch’s Justice Party, using fake footage, to urge an end to the live sheep trade – I’d like to reply to that shyte, so, if anyone knows how, I’d be obliged.

  65. MatrixTransform

    Come out of that manhole. 🙂

    there’d better be whiskey… or I’m gonna hoist Mencken’s black flag.

    See here’s the thing.
    If cardinal anybody, or venerable whoever fiddled my kiddies they’s rapidly gonna discover how justice really works when it aint heard in a court of law.
    P.ell fell … down four flights of stairs for instance.
    So sad, he did such good things

    I happen to be on recipe sharing terms with at least one very high profile catholic priest and he’s a camp as the proverbial row o’ tents. There is no way that anything untoward is gonna happen. viz. the stairs.
    just saying.

    This whole conviction is a farce and it doesn’t meet the pub test.

  66. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    I clicked on the “feedback” link at the very bottom of the petition, answered several multiple choice questions (giving them the lowest possible rating on each one) then put my criticism in the comments box.

    My compliments, OCO and thank you.

  67. Fat Tony

    Old School Conservative
    #2946948, posted on February 28, 2019 at 11:33 pm

    Thanks for that

  68. Old School Conservative

    No worries gents.

  69. John Constantine

    https://watersource.awa.asn.au/community/engagement/does-australia-need-recycled-water-ambassadors-to-change-public-perceptions/

    Big australia has made us so rich we can afford to vote to dump our river water out to sea unused.

    No we can afford to pay social media influencers to get the proles to drink rich peoples piss.

    Is it halal and vegynsys?.

  70. max

    Meanwhile in Colorado the bishops act like turkeys welcoming Christmas:

    Catholics in Colorado were recipients of a recent bombshell in the form of an agreement between our three Catholic dioceses and the State Attorney General’s office. According to the agreement there is to be a new ‘independent review’ of every priest’s file in the state going back seven decades to 1950. The argument for this unprecedented inquiry is that the Pennsylvania Grand Jury report issued last fall warrants a “re-evaluation” of any handling of past clerical abuses in Colorado, with the added bonus of a review of our current policies and procedures. (When were we annexed to Pennsylvania?) In other words, the Attorney General is asking the Church in Colorado to prove that it’s “clean” despite the AG’s insistence that, “this is not a criminal investigation.”

    What it does appear to be is another case of state’s attorney generals who like to “shake down” highly visible organizations like the Catholic Church, tobacco companies, pharmaceuticals, etc. for publicity and/or monetary settlements. The question for many Colorado Catholics is, Why here? Why just now? Why only the Catholic Church? In fact, numerous reports have long concluded that after the home, where the majority of sexual abuses of minors occur, the next most likely place to uncover abuse is in the public schools.

  71. None

    Peter Dutton claims Australians will be ‘kicked off’ hospital waiting lists in favour of https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/peter-dutton-claims-australians-will-be-kicked-off-hospital-waiting-lists-in-favour-of-refugees-20190228-p510w6.html
    naturally the Kiwi child masturbator Kerryn Phelps head explodes.
    Dutton is right and If Dutton were PM the Libs would have romped it in.

  72. Fat Tony

    John Constantine
    #2946954, posted on February 28, 2019 at 11:42 pm

    Drinking recycled sewage water was the plan for all Australia back in 2006, but the Toowoomba plebiscite put it on hold. (62% – 38%)

    It wasn’t planned for us to even know, but the Mayor at the time let it slip and then the shit (& piss) hit the fan.
    Toowoomba was supposed to be the trial case, supervised for 3 years by the Qld Health Department who would find it perfectly safe.

    We were to have “indirect” recycled sewage water at first (pumped into a local dam), but the intention was “direct” potable recycled sewage – what is known as “toilet to tap”. Imagine a fuck up and the whole water system of a city is contaminated with all that get flushed down the dunny. And the cover-ups.

    There are billions to be made by making people drink recycled sewage water – so expect it to come sooner rather than later.

  73. struth

    That’s exactly the problem there Max.
    The church bowed to lefty pressure thinking they could Chamberlain it all away.
    Appeasement never works.
    Now it’s gone too far and one of them is going to Jail, albeit, the wrong one.

    His Lawyer is sus as well.
    Not doing his best.
    I’m not sure many of our clergy understand the rabid hatred of them by the evil left, and to what extent it is.
    Trust in their fellow humans around them at this time, is not a thing to be doing.

    I try to put myself in their shoes.
    I understand Pell would know very well he has enemies, but can church life produce a naivety that will be their undoing?

  74. struth

    We were to have “indirect” recycled sewage water at first (pumped into a local dam), but the intention was “direct” potable recycled sewage – what is known as “toilet to tap”. Imagine a fuck up and the whole water system of a city is contaminated with all that get flushed down the dunny. And the cover-ups.

    Government can’t be trusted to open flood gates, not fucking trusting the pricks with recycled piss.

  75. Fat Tony

    struth
    #2946960, posted on March 1, 2019 at 12:00 am
    Government can’t be trusted to open flood gates, not fucking trusting the pricks with recycled piss.
    Piss is not the problem – all the legal & illegal drugs, industrial waste, hospital and morgue washings – and whatever else is flushed down the system. They only test for a very limited number of contaminants.

    And you could be sure as shit that whenever there is a fuck-up, the arse-covering will, at first, make sure no-one knows about it and when the body count mounts up, all samples and evidence will go missing.

    There was a case in Victoria where recycled water was being used for large-scale lettuce growing. A large area of lettuce was killed (by the water) but the samples taken at the plant for that particular day all went missing. I bet nobody would expect that to happen.

  76. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Spot of spacechooking, for Cats with an interest in military history. There’s a most interesting title, on the “Great Escape” from Stalag Luft 111, during Wobbly Wobbly Two which raises a few questions – What was the purpose of the breakout? How many men actually wanted to escape? How much assistance did the POW’s receive from their German captors?

    It does, however seem, that, as a result of a “blue on blue” contact, in the skies over England, in September 1940, that the first aircraft, ever shot down, by a Royal Air Force “Spitfire” aircraft, was actually, to be sure, a Royal Air Force Hurricane aircraft….

  77. It does, however seem, that, as a result of a “blue on blue” contact, in the skies over England, in September 1940, that the first aircraft, ever shot down, by a Royal Air Force “Spitfire” aircraft, was actually, to be sure, a Royal Air Force Hurricane aircraft….

    that was one of my favourite parts of the WWII real time tweets to date.

  78. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    that was one of my favourite parts of the WWII real time tweets to date.

    “The Real Great Escape”, by Guy Walters. Good reading, highly recommended.

  79. There’s a most interesting title, on the “Great Escape” from Stalag Luft 111, during Wobbly Wobbly Two which raises a few questions – What was the purpose of the breakout? How many men actually wanted to escape? How much assistance did the POW’s receive from their German captors?

    Which book?
    The one I’m reading now (in between other stuff) makes it clear there was shedloads of jerry help, quite a bit of it unprompted & willing.

    Most audacious event so far (as far in as I’ve read anyway): The Stalag Luft Escape Committee (i.e. the allied p.o.w.s paid for the entire holiday & sent a German to Paris on his leave, to liase with the Resistance in Paris & bring back contact details so that any escapers who got to France would know how to contact the French Resistance.

  80. Thanks Zulu, I’m travelling on business at the moment, & carrying only a Bernard Cornwell.
    I’ll note that one.

    Top Ender has another sale!
    Popped into a bookshop this afternoon, & the first thing I saw was “The Empire Strikes South”

  81. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    The one I’m reading now (in between other stuff) makes it clear there was shedloads of jerry help, quite a bit of it unprompted & willing

    Upthread – “The Real Great Escape” by Guy Walters. “Quite a bit of it unprompted and unwilling” – blackmailing the German guards was apparently a fine art, and played by experts.

  82. None

    Oh I didn’t realise Kerry Ann Kennelley’s husband died. That’s sad.

  83. FMD, so it is. Thought I’d read all his stuff. Didn’t know he’d written on that topic.
    Most frustrating part of escape stories concerns the escape the year before from Stalag Luft, the “Wooden Horse” escape.
    The story ended when Eric Williams sneaked aboard a ship in Danzig.
    We never learn anything of the journey home, or what sort of reception he got at any stage.

  84. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    FWIW, Carlton Younger’s book “No Flight From the Cage” mentions being marched through Cologne Railway station, by the German guards, while the angry civilians bawled for their blood – he saw the corpses of the Allied aircrew, lynched from the road bridge, that crossed the railway line – In 2000, we changed trains at Cologne Railway Station, from Arnhem, to Frankfurt, and I looked at the very same road bridge. “Rest in peace, gentlemen…”

  85. zyconoclast

    There are more than a thousand fewer UK undergraduate students at Oxford and Cambridge universities than a decade ago, official figures show.

    Student figures from the Higher Education Statistics Agency and from the universities show 7% fewer UK undergraduates at Oxford and 5% fewer at Cambridge, compared with 2007-08.

    Overseas undergraduate students rose by 51% at Oxford and 65% at Cambridge.

    Oxford says it recruits the “best talent from around the world”.

    Students from outside the EU pay higher fees and the more prestigious a university and course the greater the cost will likely be – more than £30,000 a year in some cases.

    But a spokeswoman for Oxford said its overseas student intake had not been influenced by “the fees they may bring with them”.

  86. Bruce in WA

    On my way to the rifle range this morning, quite happily listening to the radio in the car, until this:

    “The Bureau of Meteorology has confirmed that this has been the hottest summer ever on record in Australia.”

    Bullshit! Absolute, utter, total BS. I can’t even remember the last summer as mild as this one!!

    Where do they get this shit?

  87. I’ve since read every word Eric Williams ever wrote, hoping to find out something about how he got from cold & miserable stowaway to being believed in Sweden, & then how he got to Blighty.
    There’s not much.
    Though some interesting yarns about driving around the continent in the 50’s with what is clearly a very attractive & bright wife, plus the casual way he loads a couple of firearms in the car in England “just in case” they bump into some unsavoury types on the mainland.

    Try arming yourself today & driving all around Europe.
    Mind you, these days it would be pointless to take a half-dozen 10-lb tins of coffee with you as “lubricant” for any legal or border paperwork issues that may crop up.

  88. In 2000, we changed trains at Cologne Railway Station, from Arnhem, to Frankfurt, and I looked at the very same road bridge. “Rest in peace, gentlemen…”

    You’re not that far from Hoppy’s grave there, though too far to visit without a day trip.

  89. Crossie

    I’ve just seen the two female interpreters walking behind Trump and Kim Jung Un, they have almost identical handbags. Is it a Korean thing?

  90. struth

    We were to have “indirect” recycled sewage water at first (pumped into a local dam), but the intention was “direct” potable recycled sewage – what is known as “toilet to tap”. Imagine a fuck up and the whole water system of a city is contaminated with all that get flushed down the dunny. And the cover-ups.

    My mother didn’t want vegetables from China, she said they’re fertilized with human shit.

    I said we do it here as well, mum.
    She was gobsmacked and wouldn’t believe me.
    I used to go to a place out of Toowoomba, called beef city, and they were telling me in the line ups that on average 3 b doubles of human shit is brought out of Brisbane each day for the surrounding areas.
    I met one of the shit carters with his truck.
    Oddly a plain white b double tipper with no signwriting!
    The farmers love it around there, and the only problem they reckon is the odd tomato plant or similar, growing from a seed in the shit.

    Makes you think, just about what is going on………………………
    Things you learn being a truckie!

  91. Crossie

    plus the casual way he loads a couple of firearms in the car in England “just in case” they bump into some unsavoury types on the mainland.

    Guns in the U.K. we’re a class thing, the toffs needed them for fox and grouse hunting.

  92. Crossie

    My mother didn’t want vegetables from China, she said they’re fertilized with human shit.

    I said we do it here as well, mum.
    She was gobsmacked and wouldn’t believe me.

    We travelled by car through Germany in early the 90s and every once in a while we had to switch off outside air due to driving past farms that smelled like an open sewer. Let’s just say we didn’t eat much salad in Germany after that.

  93. struth

    You wouldn’t think there would be that much value in fertilizing with used Maccas .

  94. Infidel Tiger

    The U.S. economy cooled by less than expected last quarter as business investment picked up, suggesting growth could be stronger for longer as the Federal Reserve takes a patient approach to interest rates.

    The 2.6 percent annualized rate of gains in gross domestic product from October to December compared with the 2.2 percent median estimate of economists surveyed by Bloomberg. It followed a 3.4 percent advance in the prior three months, according to a Commerce Department report Thursday that was delayed a month by the government shutdown.

    Amazing.

  95. We travelled by car through Germany in early the 90s and every once in a while we had to switch off outside air due to driving past farms that smelled like an open sewer. Let’s just say we didn’t eat much salad in Germany after that.

    They spread slurry there. About a tonne on every acre, every year.
    Mind you, to my nose slurry doesn’t smell like a sewer.

  96. zyconoclast

    WATER RESEARCH COMPENDIUM 2009-2014 lists PRIONS eight times as an EMERGING CONTAMINANT of concern in sewage sludge “biosolids”, water and manure.

    But the US Environmental Protection Agency (EPA), and the waste industry including SYNAGRO, promote Class A sludge “biosolids” compost for spreading on home vegetable gardens, and parks, playgrounds, and ballfields where children with their hand-to-mouth behavior, will be playing. Even though they know Class A sludge “biosolids” contains infectious prions, the EPA/waste industry nevertheless promotes this contaminated waste as being “pathogen free” or “sterile”.

    IN COMPOSTING

    Postings to Composting Council discussion group in 2006 on issue of infectious human and animal prions in both Class A and Class B sewage sludge biosolids, with particular regard to the fact that EPA pathogen reduction measures under Part 503 do NOT inactivate prions …

    Email to US EPA and WEF – human and animal prions in Class A sewage sludge biosolids compost which is promoted for home use as pathogen free:

    -“PRIONS” ARE PATHOGENS — The Prion Diseases
    -Prions in intestines and feces
    -“Human prions in public sewers, autopsies, etc.”
    -“Human prions in public sewers, embalmers, funeral directors, etc. “
    -“SCIENTISTS FIND PRIONS SURVIVE IN SLUDGE “BIOSOLIDS” . . . and PRION INFECTIVITY AMPLIFIED BY SOIL”
    -Persistence of Pathogenic Prion Protein during Simulated Wastewater Treatment Processes

    Transmissible spongiform encephalopathies (TSEs, prion diseases) are a class of fatal neurodegenerative diseases affecting a variety of mammalian species including humans. A misfolded form of the prion protein (PrPTSE) is the major, if not sole, component of the infectious agent. Prions are highly resistant to degradation and to many disinfection procedures suggesting that, if prions enter wastewater treatment systems through sewers and/or septic systems (e.g., from slaughterhouses, necropsy laboratories, rural meat processors, private game dressing) or through leachate from landfills that have received TSE-contaminated material, prions could survive conventional wastewater treatment.

    Inflammation and prions in Urine

    Adriano Aguzzi of the University Hospital of Zurich: “Further research by the team showed that, if inflammation is induced in any excretory organ of the body, prions are excreted in whateversubstance the organ excretes. ”

    Transmission and Detection of Prions in Feces

    Oral exposure to prion-tainted blood, urine, saliva, and feces has been suggested as the mode of transmission of CWD and scrapie among herbivores susceptible to these prion diseases.

  97. Zyco, in case I’ve not mentioned it; Thank you for the link to the Clarinet Quintet, a couple of threads ago.

  98. areff

    Peter Dutton claims Australians will be ‘kicked off’ hospital waiting lists

    I’ve often wondered how, with all the folks said to be waiting for Housing Commission accommodation and waiting lists of years, the Kensington Towers on Racecourse Road became Africanised so very quickly.

    The HC flats near my old address were full of toothless Collingwood supporters when i moved in 2006. By the time I left, in 2016, half the flats were African/Middle Easterners, all seemingly newly arrived.

  99. areff

    From the SMH/Age last year, when Pell was being railroaded by Wallington:

    https://www.smh.com.au/national/george-pell-s-lawyer-suggests-support-group-raised-cardinal-s-name-with-accuser-20180314-p4z4du.html

    Key bit: Pell’s unnamed accuser named another priest earlier:

    Dr Barrett [from Broken ‘Get Pell’ Rites] spoke with the accuser’s mother in 2014, the court heard, over allegations her son made against a priest who died in 2002. Dr Barrett and the accuser then spoke about the allegations involving Cardinal Pell six months later.

    In email correspondence read to the court by Mr Richter, Dr Barrett advised the accuser and his mother to apply for compensation from the church, and even if the accuser didn’t need the money he could “donate it to The Lost Dogs’ Home”.

  100. The Beer Whisperer

    WATER RESEARCH COMPENDIUM 2009-2014 lists PRIONS eight times as an EMERGING CONTAMINANT of concern in sewage sludge “biosolids”, water and manure.

    Sounds like some real dangerous shit right there 😁

  101. None

    About 5% of water in Adelaide is recycled sewage and most people don’t know it.

  102. struth

    About 5% of water in Adelaide is recycled sewage and most people don’t know it.

    In all fairness, how would they know ,if they’ve grown up chewing on Murray River water?

  103. Top Ender

    About 5% of water in Adelaide is recycled sewage and most people don’t know it.

    True story.

    Anyone who served in Baghdad in the Iraq War was drinking water from the Tigris and the Euphrates. Both rivers were highly contaminated with numerous dead bodies; sewage by the tonne; run-off from the city etc etc.

    The US built three huge bottling plants to serve the Coalition troops. (Three in case one was blown up by bad guys trying to deny us water.) The facilities also made their own bottles, pallets, and plastic coverings for all. Out in their compounds were pallet-loads on waiting trailers for prime movers to haul out.

    Everyone drank a few litres of their water every day – completely pure.

  104. jupes

    Good stuff TE.

    I have an affection for the Grumman Avenger as it was the first model plane I had as a boy. Saw my first real one last year in the USS Intrepid museum in New York.

  105. Tintarella di Luna

    A private individual was already sued here in Australia by a person defamed by him on Facebook and now the Dylan Voller story continues and is a worrying consideration for bloggers, vloggers this is in the Oz today – no comments understandably:

    Dylan Voller case a test for social media defamation
    PETER BARTLETT

    12:00AM MARCH 1, 2019
    NO COMMENTS
    Are Australian courts prepared for the hundreds of social media defamation cases proceeding through them?

    The liability of search engines is still not entirely clear. Those who tweet have been held to be liable. If you put a link into your tweet or article and the link is found to be defamatory, are you liable?

    The courts often look at cases decided long before the internet for guidance. Should this new social media environment be looked at through fresh eyes, not limited by precedent?

    How is it just to have a one-year limitation period for hard copy publications, but none if the same article is online?

    An interesting case looking at one of these issues came before the NSW Supreme Court recently.

    The landmark Voller case, currently in the NSW Supreme Court, highlights the need for an urgent and full-scale review of Australia’s defamation laws.

    Dylan Voller, a youth detainee in the Northern Territory, is suing three media organisations for comments made by members of the public on their Facebook pages.

    Notably, Voller is not suing the media outlets for the content of the articles themselves, but has instead argued that the media companies ought to be liable for the defamatory comments on their Facebook pages.

    It’s a novel idea to be able to sue the media for comments made by the public on their website or social media pages. It is timely the courts are looking at this now.

    Allowing the public to comment on articles online could be considered the most visible form of participation in journalism and an effective way for media companies to engage with audience, providing opportunities for the public to have a voice.

    However, allowing online comments is not without risk. Indeed, doing so could expose media companies to claims of online defamation, which may result due to a user posting defamatory statements through an online medium, such as a website comments section or Facebook page.

    Historically, if an individual wanted to sue a media company with respect to comments posted on their Facebook page, or some other online platform, the individual would first need to give the media company notice of the existence of the defamatory comment, and provide the media company an opportunity to remove the comments.

    However, that may all change in light of the Voller case.

    Voller did not give notice to these media companies. However, he has argued that the media companies chose to be proprietors of Facebook pages for their own commercial benefit, invited and encouraged readers and viewers to use their Facebook pages and knew or should have known there was a “significant risk of defamatory observations” in the comments of each post.

    If the NSW Supreme Court agrees with Voller, the consequences of this case could change everything, not just for media outlets, but for all Facebook page owners, who may be deemed liable for comments posted on their posts and pages.

    Foreseeably, Facebook page owners might stop permitting comments on their posts, as they would be required to consistently monitor the comments, creating an extraordinarily onerous burden just to mitigate against the liability of being sued.

    If the court agrees with Voller, Facebook page owners, particularly those with high levels of engagement and traffic, will be faced with a stark choice — pay someone to rigorously monitor their pages for defamatory content or to remove the right for the public to comment freely on posts.

    Will social media page proprietors be expected to stand guard at the gates of their websites or social media, carefully disentangling considered and valid public commentary from false and defamatory statements?

    Herein lies the risk of curtailing genuine free speech for the need to stop commentary that would put proprietors at risk.

    We know that in the age of social media, everyone is considered a publisher for the purposes of Australia’s defamation laws, leading to a sharp rise of social media-related defamation cases being heard in courts, including many of a trivial kind. However, the Voller case will go one step further.

    If Voller succeeds, not only will every social media user be a publisher in the eyes of our laws, but indeed, every social media user becomes a publisher on behalf of the relevant page owner on which the user is posting.

    Peter Bartlett is a partner at Minter Ellison.

  106. Arky

    Is Pell’s defence off it’s gourd?

  107. Seco

    Elle
    #2946663, posted on February 28, 2019 at 6:27 pm
    Haha those ridiculing Richter as a pedo protector on the street, Richter shouts back “I’d represent you!”

    He handled the shouty ferals brilliantly!

    Not according to Steve Price and Rita Panahi.

    Just on Price, I understand that he’s very worried that if he says something that questions the verdict, it could his his professional status in jeopardy. He may be very concerned about the target this would put on his family’s back (especially his daughters) after seeing how Bolt has copped it for years. He’d more than likely lose the The Project gig, he’d certainly lose the gigs like speaking at a women in business luncheon he said he did yesterday. He said the women were shocked when he read out to them the words Richter said when playing down the severity of the crime to the audience. WTF? Why are you using happenings at the Pell trial as a ribbon feed for a women in business luncheon?

    Price also had the gall to declare Panahi a fence sitter. You don’t have to be a Pell cheer leader to question the decision but to blindly say our justice system is sound AND YOU HAVE TO ACCEPT EVERY VERDICT WHETHER YOU LIKE IT OR NOT is the biggest cop out I’ve heard. I hope he never has a loved one find themselves in a situation of being wrongly or falsely accused.

  108. RobK

    Ok; here’s how our energy grid is going to become cheaper!sciencetrends.com/sources-of-risk-and-uncertainty-in-deploying-smart-grids/
    Sampler:

    Markets as a source of risk concern both current arrangements and those options that might be (dis)allowed by future regulation. The smart energy paradigm sees dynamic pricing (e.g. time of use tariffs), demand shifting, and other changes as integral, but there are many hurdles. Currently, the residential sector has limited potential for demand flexibility, but this may change with large-scale deployment of EVs and heat pumps and other sources of demand and this is seen as having a desirable potential for enhanced systemic flexibility. There is potential for flexibility to emerge inequitably with subsidized EVs, PV, and heat pumps installed by those with sufficient access to capital and then their owners benefitting from low costs as they access lower tariffs, leaving any less flexible user to pay higher costs.

    Users of the system — residential, commercial, and industrial consumers — present uncertainty through their reaction to new demand-side approaches, which may dictate limits on options for smart system uptake. Many stakeholders expect industrial and commercial consumers to respond more flexibly than residential consumers but there was a concern as to the limitations placed on system flex if residential consumers opted not to engage.

    The generation, capture, and use of large volumes of data and information are central to the potential for smart grids, but stakeholder concerns related to data protection, security, privacy, and public trust. Data volumes will increase over time, potentially enabling functions such as time-of-use tariffs, but this will require infrastructure for smart meters and sufficient data communication and processing capacity and substantial investment.

    Network operators respond to regulatory incentives. Their key source of uncertainty is not knowing what generators and consumers will require beyond a five-year timescale, making decisions about investment and incentives difficult. Stakeholders emphasized that business as usual (BAU) was no longer an appropriate approach to network operation. This is problematic; distribution networks have historically made incremental cost savings rather than wholesale changes. One long-term concern was the impact of increasing self-generation of electricity by consumers and the impact this would have on network usage and thus network operator income. A new paradigm for network financing may be needed.

    The issues above impact investment conditions. The low-carbon transition requires considerably more investment than BAU which will only be met if investors can see a route to a return based on the increasing risk emerging from the various sources of greater uncertainty.

    Conclusion

    Smartness as an ongoing process facilitating flexibility, not an endpoint. Many risks emerge from the increasing complexity in enabling the low-carbon transition, with a lack of long-term political and regulatory vision the biggest source of uncertainty and thus risk. Continual coherent planning and action by governments and regulators will be essential in creating the environment for the scale of investment needed to successfully smarten the grid and to minimize the total cost of transition.

    Published by Peter Connor and Colin AxonRenewable Energy, University of Exeter and the Institute of Energy Futures, Brunel University

    These findings are described in the article entitled Sources of risk and uncertainty in UK smart grid deployment: An expert stakeholder analysis, recently published in the journal Energy(Energy 161 (2018) 1-9).

    You just know they have really thought this through.

  109. Mater

    The smart energy paradigm sees dynamic pricing (e.g. time of use tariffs), demand shifting, and other changes as integral, but there are many hurdles.

    One of those hurdles would be the Unions.
    Do you think that Labor would look favourably on removing penalty rates for any industrial who needed to ‘shift’ it’s operating hours due to their idiotic energy policy? No, the industrial load peak load is exactly where it is because Labor deems it to be so.

  110. Mother Lode

    It can seem quite “civilised” compared to the endless bogans on “free to air”. You can only watch so much bullshit “reality TV”.

    Just tuned back in and saw this.

    The problem with the ABC is its all-pervasive intellectual pretentiousness. Their novelty wears off as soon as you listen to what they are saying.

    They have no new ideas. Everything they say I either remember hearing from them in the eighties, or I can manufacture by combining things they said in the eighties.

    And in the age of the intertubes I can see they don’t even do their own manufacturing, but take their cues from overseas.

    At least the bogans on free-to-air are honest. And I think they enjoy their programming more as a result.

  111. Mater

    What’s more, are they going to allow appropriate exemptions or flexibility to be written into EBA’s for when industrials are required to constrain their production or shutdown entirely, due to ‘demand management’. No, I don’t think so either.

  112. egg_

    media companies chose to be proprietors of Facebook pages for their own commercial benefit, invited and encouraged readers and viewers to use their Facebook pages and knew or should have known there was a “significant risk of defamatory observations” in the comments of each post.

    Isn’t Facebook considered a private forum?
    Hasn’t this already been argued with regard to censorship of “Wingnut” commentary on populist Leftoid Facebook?
    Time to get a grip, Millennials.

  113. egg_

    About 5% of water in Adelaide is recycled sewage and most people don’t know it.

    In all fairness, how would they know ,if they’ve grown up chewing on Murray River water?

    That’s what they get for living at the @rse end of ‘Straya.

  114. egg_

    The problem with the ABC is its all-pervasive intellectual pretentiousness

    Middlebrow wank that soon becomes tedious.

  115. Bruce of Newcastle

    The problem with the ABC is its all-pervasive intellectual pretentiousness. Their novelty wears off as soon as you listen to what they are saying.

    They have no new ideas.

    Also everything they do must have one black man, preferably gay, one white woman, one woman in a hijab and a tranny. That rigidifies everything since you somehow have to have a halfway plausible story which fits that bunch.

    And the news is always the same because they only report what they want to report and ignore anything not furthering the black/feminist/tranny/gay message. So you get the same stuff over and over. Supposed diversity which has turned into utter sameness.

    Then they make the rest of us pay for their conceit. At least you can opt out of the BBC. We can’t opt out of the ABC. It’s awful.

  116. Cassie of Sydney

    The Bolt Report on Tuesday night went to air advertisement free…..this was deliberate on the part of Sky management in order NOT to prejudice advertisers. Why? Because Andrew Bolt (rightly) questioned the verdict. Since then Sky has been under attack….from the usual hard left activist suspects….a particularly insidious organisation called “Sleeping Giants”….I prefer to call them “Sleeping Midgets”. Sleeping Midgets have, over the last few days, been attacking major Sky advertisers such as NIB and CBA by bombarding them with complaint emails. Whilst it is only a few activists, like all good totalitarian fascists they are noisy and driven and they have been sending emails to Sky advertisers in order to get them to pull advertising from Sky. Andrew Bolt, last night, alluded to the enormous pressure he and Sky have been under over the last few days. Interestingly, as Bolt also said last night, Sleeping Midgets are not going after The Age for Silvester’s excellent piece on Wednesday, they are not going after other media who have questioned the Pell verdict. The hard left activist group is determined to shut down Sky News…..oh by the way, this is the organisation that the filthy Turdbull Jnr donates to. Here is an interesting link….please read it.

    http://www.adnews.com.au/news/proactive-sky-confirms-it-intentionally-axed-bolt-show-ads-to-protect-brands

    My point is that we, the silent majority, need to start being “activists” too…we need to fight back against this bullying. Today I will be sending an email to NIB (I am an NIB customer) stating that if they pull their advertising from Sky and The Bolt Report and happily succumb to a hard left activist organisation…..and organisation that I am sure is anti-private health insurance….then I will find another health fund. It works both ways…..but we have to get off our tuchus (Yiddish for bottom) and fight back.

  117. Herodotus

    Perhaps I dreamt it, it’s so strange, but then again so much par for the course in modern activist public broadcasting – someone on the BBC world service overnight was developing a theme which linked the extreme right and islamists as having a similarly anti-sem*tic bent, and the rise of conservative populist governments in Europe would see more of this!
    Never mind UK Labour being comprehensively outed on that front lately.

  118. egg_

    Victoria is a total toilet.

    Quasimodo is running the State and a Cardinal is in Gaol?
    Leftists rulz.

  119. zyconoclast

    Victoria is a total toilet.

    Quasimodo is running the State and a Cardinal is in Gaol?
    Leftists rulz.

    The Victoriastinis chose this option.
    Recently and repeatedly.
    They must enjoy the gimp punishment long, hard and often

  120. Herodotus

    Both Sky News and The Australian draw the crabs because they have a range of presenters, contributors and guests who cover a wider range of opinion than you get from the gargantuan left media.
    They can’t tolerate any incursion into the public debate by anyone that’s not at least a bit left of centre. Conservatives of any kind are to be obliterated from the news and current affairs, even the morning hen sessions.

  121. My point is that we, the silent majority,

    Silent majority? Hahahahaha

    The party made modest showings at the 2017 Bennelong and 2018 Batman by-elections, achieving primary vote of 4.29% and 6.41%, respectively, the latter in the absence of Liberal Party candidate, failing to elect a candidate in either instance.
    In March 2018, the party lost both of its representatives in the South Australian Legislative Council. Robert Brokenshire lost his bid for reelection, and parliamentary leader Dennis Hood defected to the Liberal Party, which nine days prior had won government in the state election. At the election, the Australian Conservatives suffered a 3.2% swing in the South Australian House of Assembly (from a Family First vote of 6.2% in 2014) for a primary vote of 3.0%. It stood 33 candidates for the lower house, none of whom came close to being elected. It suffered a swing of 0.9% swing in the Legislative Council (from a Family First vote of 4.4% in 2014) for a primary vote of 3.5%. (Wiki)

  122. egg_

    Also everything they do must have one black man, preferably gay, one white woman, one woman in a hijab and a tranny.

    A muslim tranny with a stump now trumps all?
    Watch out, Adam Hills.

  123. Leigh Lowe

    areff

    #2946998, posted on March 1, 2019 at 1:54 am

    From the SMH/Age last year, when Pell was being railroaded by Wallington:

    https://www.smh.com.au/national/george-pell-s-lawyer-suggests-support-group-raised-cardinal-s-name-with-accuser-20180314-p4z4du.html

    Key bit: Pell’s unnamed accuser named another priest earlier:

    Interesting read.

  124. egg_

    the morning hen sessions.

    That would be yer Low Info Breakfast News Koshies and their wymminz panels.

  125. Herodotus

    And Catallaxy has to include monty, numbers and sfb.
    The neighbourhood is deteriorating again.

  126. Cassie of Sydney

    “zyconoclast
    #2947045, posted on March 1, 2019 at 7:15 am
    Victoria is a total toilet.

    Quasimodo is running the State and a Cardinal is in Gaol?
    Leftists rulz.

    The Victoriastinis chose this option.
    Recently and repeatedly.
    They must enjoy the gimp punishment long, hard and often”

    Yep, the only person I have sympathy for in the toilet that is the state of Victoria is Cardinal Pell….an innocent man languishing in a prison cell.

    I was in Melbourne in December and attended a dinner….because I had the audacity to say I liked Tony Abbott I was then subjected to a man yelling and going “apeshit” at me. Happy to say that I had the last say in that exchange….and it wasn’t pretty for him…but it gave me an insight into the minds of many “effluent” Victorians. There will be a nadir for Victoria and Victorians…..but will I have any sympathy for them when it comes….nope.

  127. Cassie of Sydney

    “1735099
    #2947048, posted on March 1, 2019 at 7:18 am”

    Fuck off rodent…I hope you are falsely accused of a crime you didn’t commit. Those poor children you taught over the years…wonder what they have so say about you? Hmmm.

  128. calli

    Seven wymmynses now going full Stasi – “Jeff Kennett – do you support George Pell?” “What about Howard?” Answer – “Howard is entitled to express any opinion he holds on any individual.”

    Anger. Herd women require full compliance.

    Next – “Mark Latham – do you support George Pell?” The Bugman returneth – Howard to be condemned for his support. Aaaand Latho does Sad Face.

    Final Kennett – you women are being silly.

    Amen,

  129. egg_

    And Catallaxy has to include monty, numbers and sfb.

    Who’s this Farken loony bird who flies by?

  130. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    Xits most Equitable and Mighty Lord Marx sayeth thus:

    If Xir seeeth the colour of the beast’s skin, then pluck out thine eyes!

    For the true Marxist sees only the Darkness.

  131. Drinking recycled sewage water was the plan for all Australia back in 2006, but the Toowoomba plebiscite put it on hold. (62% – 38%)
    It wasn’t planned for us to even know, but the Mayor at the time let it slip and then the shit (& piss) hit the fan.
    Toowoomba was supposed to be the trial case, supervised for 3 years by the Qld Health Department who would find it perfectly safe.

    Absolute bullshit.

    That has to be the weirdest conspiracy theory I’ve heard in a very long time. Record drought, and lack of investment in water infrastructure by both Toowoomba City Council and the Queensland Government led to increasingly severe water restrictions. Using town water on lawns, and eventually gardens and potted plants was banned under a series of ever harsher water restrictions.
    A proposal to recycle water from the city’s sewerage system, add salts to prevent the ultra pure water damaging concrete water pipes, pump it to the city’s dams, then redraw it for domestic (drinking water) use was initially supported unanimously by the mayor and councillors, and by the local Federal Member Ian Macfarlane seat of Groom.
    State and Federal governmental support from both Labor and coalition politicians was also strong.
    Sniffing a political opportunity, and driven by loathing of the Labor oriented mayor, Councillor Lyle Shelton (millionaire property developer and the unsuccessful National Party candidate for Toowoomba North in the 2006 Queensland state election) and former Mayor and MLA for Toowoomba South Clive Berghofer and grassroots campaigner Rosemary Morley engineered a furious scare campaign, and a referendum was held which defeated the proposal.
    To secure the water supply, a pipeline had to be built lifting water from Wivenhoe Dam to Toowoomba at a cost of $187 million. It has never been used, which is fortunate, as the pumping costs to bring the water up the range are staggering.
    As a Toowoomba ratepayer, I routinely shell out a great deal of dosh to pay for the unused pipeline. Perhaps I should send an invoice to Clive Berghofer, Lyle Shelton and Rosemary Morley (the latter was a “grass roots” campaigner who made a name for herself amongst the silver haired matrons of Toowoomba talking about “Poowoomba”). I kid you not….

    Shelton and Berghofer are both millionaires, so they could afford it. The irony is, that if Berghofer had the foresight to build the water infrastructure when he was mayor, the pipeline would have been unnecessary.

  132. egg_

    Is NumbNutz a product of heavy metals in Toowoomba sh1t farms?

  133. Elle

    because I had the audacity to say I liked Tony Abbott 

    I had the audacity to say to a gay activist colleague, who I am no longer friends with (when I discoverd he was an activist), that I thought Abbott was very graceful in his response when the ‘yes’ vote came down. Never a bigger hissy fit have I witnessed.

  134. Leigh Lowe

    Another turd floats down the Catallaxy River.

  135. Elle

    Alan Jones on 2GB has a calm and reasoned approach to Pell’s case … unlike some of his colleagues.

  136. calli

    Even more than rampant TDS, the Pell case is working out as a sifting and sorting exercise.

    Charming, urbane masks have slipped. We see the skull beneath the skin, on full view and going full Virtue Signal. The expressions on those wymmyn’s faces were vicious, particularly Barr’s. Naked hatred, and prepared to rip anyone who stepped off the Hate Pell reservation.

    One positive thing, I still have the capacity to be shocked.

  137. In a televised statement, Mr Netanyahu said he was the victim of a political “witch hunt”.

    That has a familiar ring.
    One down – one to go……

  138. Elle

    AJ interviewed Judith Sloan this morning. A very intelligent and articulate woman. A pleasure to listen to.

  139. John Constantine

    Rio Into announces the drill results from its Patterson province project.

    Like 760 meters of drill core at worthwhile percentages of copper gold and silver.

    New prospecting tools are enabling a new round of Australian discoveries.

    (Will work in central Asia as well, so the chicom tyrants one belt one road one way scheme could be a real gold mine one day.)

    Comrades

  140. Mater

    As a Toowoomba ratepayer, I routinely shell out a great deal of dosh to pay for the unused pipeline. Perhaps I should send an invoice to Clive Berghofer, Lyle Shelton and Rosemary Morley (the latter was a “grass roots” campaigner who made a name for herself amongst the silver haired matrons of Toowoomba talking about “Poowoomba”). I kid you not….

    The Labor (and Green scaremongers) inspired Wonthaggi Desal plant, has been soooo much more useful…and soooo much better on our pockets ($4 billion plus ongoing of $608 million p.a.).

  141. Old School Conservative

    Picky picky.
    That has a familiar ring.
    Numbers, your English expression is very poor. This statement could refer to either the televised statement, Mr Netanyahu saying something, or the witch hunt exercise.
    I’d have thought an ex-teacher could communicate with more clarity.
    Let alone your cryptic and multi-meaning “one down – one to go” comment.

  142. Tel

    Is Pell’s defence off it’s gourd?

    Best explanation so far … they were caught off gourd.

  143. Old School Conservative

    Zali Steggall will be targeted as Bill Shorten’s alleged stooge in a series of paid advertisements launched today by Advance Australia, the campaign machine set up as a conservative counter to the influence of left-leaning activist group GetUp.

    From today’s Oz.
    Good fightback tactics.

  144. Bruce of Newcastle

    Oprah! to the rescue:

    Oprah to Address World Summit on ‘How Women Can Save the Planet’

    Winfrey is serving as the keynote speaker for the summit, which is set to address “how women can save the planet, battle misinformation, preserve journalism, champion same-sex love, advance the gains of #MeToo, confront authoritarian regimes and promote the rise of women leaders,” according to news release sent out Thursday by Women in the World and Tina Brown Live Media.

    She should immediately make a peace deal with North Korea. Surely that would be a useful start to her modest plans.

  145. Diogenes

    Numbers,
    as I was living in Stanthorpe at the time we got the Toowoomba TV stations . As I recall it, the truth is somewhere between your comments and the original ‘it was meant for everyone’ , and one wag even said Poowoomba was already drinking recycled sewage , as the next town up, was discharging treated watre in teh headwaters of the dam.

    Clive Berghoffer couldn’t have built a new dam when he was mayor – remember Wolfdene! Stanthorpe Sire was trying to build a dam, site identified on the Severn River near Ballandean , plans drawn up , money put aside, just waiting for approval – which never came & then when that dickhead Beatty looked at council amalgamations, and because Stanthorpe was solvent, and Warwick not , they were amalgamated & the money used for other purposes. In that same drought Storm King Dam was regarded as nearly ’empty’ because of silting , and the fuckwits in Brisbane even prevented the Shire from cleaning the silting out or raising the dam wall , to restore the capacity for when it did rain again.

  146. Diogenes

    Stanthorpe Sire

    damn fat fingers lets try Stanthorpe Shire

  147. dover_beach

    Is Pell’s defence off it’s gourd?

    Given the unreasonableness of the verdict, I don’t think they could have done much more.

  148. Mater

    As a Toowoomba ratepayer, I routinely shell out a great deal of dosh to pay for the unused pipeline.

    Bob, surely you see it as your patriotic duty to give every cent possible to the Motherland.
    She will supply you your every need!

  149. Mother Lode

    Big-nose Bergoglio is not the legitimate Pope, and he’s certainly not my Pope.

    Socialism (of which Dope Francis is an adherent) and Christianity, despite the claims of socialists seeking credibility, is so far at odds as to be near exclusive.

    The primacy of the state versus that of the individual.

    An intellectual calculus based on materialism versus one of the spirit.

    The brutally enforced diktat versus the moral deed.

    The Church has weathered and withstood any number of assaults because of its inner strength. That strength is being sapped by a half-wit frickin’ Argie.

    If faith is about belief unshaken by apparent contradiction, then Francis has been far more steadfast in his devotion to socialism (which he has seen up close in his own country fails on every count by which it is justified) than Catholicism.

  150. Diogenes

    Numbers
    Upon further thought, I have some memory that that pipeline was going to built anyway – so that Poowoomba’s treated waste water would be fed into Wivenhoe, as Wivenhoe was low as well, but that idea died a quick death when Brisbane & Ipswich Councils rejected the idea outright.

  151. Nob

    Cassie

    the silent majority, need to start being “activists” too

    No time.

    Activists are almost all state funded in some way and have plenty time on their hands.
    They’re either unemployed or in jobs that allow and even encourage activism.

    The odd posting on here in between times is all I can manage. I’m just trying to make a living, provide for my and family’s future and care for those around me, and get on with life.

    I’m aware that activists and their passive supporters and enablers are taking advantage of this and I don’t think that’s gonna change.

  152. Boambee John

    struth at 2358

    I understand Pell would know very well he has enemies, but can church life produce a naivety that will be their undoing?

    Go back to Poland in the 1980s. Look up Fr Jerzy Popielusko (phonetic, I have no hope of spelling his name). He was beaten to death by the Secret Police.

    The beginning of the end for communism in Poland was when the culprits went on trial and were convicted. I look forward to seeing Dan the Man, Hulls and Ashton being convicted. Should it happen, this will demonstrate the return of the rule of law to Victoria.

  153. mh

    I don’t know what Chopper saw in Ita Buttrose.

  154. Baldrick

    Is Pell’s defence off it’s gourd?

    As if it would have mattered what Pell’s defence raised. They could have shown he was in Fiji sunbathing at the time and he would have still been convicted.

  155. Bruce of Newcastle

    Numbers should read Caroline Glick re the “indictment”.
    He won’t though.
    One look at anything by Glick and Numbers would explode into a ball of pure nuclear hysteria.
    Be prepared to enjoy yet another nothingburger Numbers.
    A kosher one!

  156. Oh enough with the conspiracy theories.

    Isn’t it good enough that Cardinal Pell, a good and holy man, volunteered to return to Australia, despite the health risks that imposed on him, he knows he is innocent ,but for the sake of the Holy Church he returned to Australia even though he knew he would be crucified.

  157. Baldrick

    Ho-hum!

    Looks like another day of babysitting Numbers.

  158. Mother Lode

    The U.S. economy cooled by less than expected last quarter as business investment picked up, suggesting growth could be stronger for longer as the Federal Reserve takes a patient approach to interest rates.

    And out politicians, who are uniformly inept in all fields of endeavour and believe this evenness of skill is a strength, will ask the same questions from the same advisors, get the same recommendations and then be all surprise when we get the same lacklustre results.

    You can see why they are so determined to keep us unarmed.

  159. As I recall it, the truth is somewhere between your comments and the original ‘it was meant for everyone’

    My objection to the original post was the inference that it was a “secret” project, and that Di Thorley “spilled the beans”.
    Anyone living in Toowoomba at the time knows that to be rubbish.

    It was all that the local media was talking about at the time, and still is.

  160. lotocoti

    unlike some of his colleagues.

    Hadley has drunk so deeply from the Hetty Johnston Koolaid, he’d probably stroke out on air if some phone-in suggested prosecution witnesses are not always honest.

  161. Shy Ted

    Peter Dutton claims Australians will be ‘kicked off’ hospital waiting lists in favour of
    Despite having particularly rude health I needed an arthroscopy and can’t remember whether it was pre or post-op I had to wait with numerous other joint-challenged types, mostly significantly older. I’d say 90% were non-English speaking and there were a significant number of interpreters going from person to person. I didn’t gain the impression that any of them could have been residents or citizens because there was simply no Australiannness about them. Another failing joint so got to do the same again next week, will let you know. Last week I was returning to Oz and the plane was chockablock with ageing, frail duskies and their families or carers, some so decrepit they were wheeled off. So many had dosette boxes with multiple medications which is pretty unusual. Toilet time was a sight to behold. Am I being a bit dumb or are we a holiday destination for better healthcare than the sub-continent offers?

  162. dover_beach

    Claire Lehmann
    @clairlemon

    Apparently sexual offending against minors won’t get you excommunicated, but supporting the ordination of women does?

    Is this for real?

    Not her finest moment. If you have no knowledge of the subject why offer an opinion?

  163. mh

    England: Gang Jailed for Rape, Abuse of Children in Foster Care Home

    …Basharat Khaliq, 38, Saeed Akhtar, 55, Naveed Akhtar, 43, Parvaze Ahmed, 36, Izar Hussain, 32, Zeeshan Ali, 32, Keiran Harris, 28, Fahim Iqbal, 28 and Mohammed Usman, 31, were found guilty of a total of 22 offences including rape and inciting child prostitution, local media reports….

    https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2019/02/28/bradford-grooming-rape-abuse-girls-care/

  164. John Constantine

    The point of the population Ponzi scheme was to get short term GDP rise by selling off the million dollar whole of life value of Australian citizenship for a cent in the dollar upfront.

    Aged parents thrown in.

    An entire migration agent crime cartel has had Australia’s immigration policy outsourced to it.

    Selling our amenity for a cent in the dollar Is Our Strength.

    Comrades.

  165. Mother Lode

    Since then Sky has been under attack….from the usual hard left activist suspects….a particularly insidious organisation called “Sleeping Giants”….I prefer to call them “Sleeping Midgets”

    I hope sky knows that these sleeping giants are just a little loud barking activist group that really has no bite, and dismiss them accordingly.

    They would lose more by dumping Bolt than they would gain by bowing to the keyboard activists.

    Bolt could mention it on his show and let the influx of calls supporting him speak for itself.

  166. Percy Popinjay

    Regarding the Pell travesty, I think the righteous anger of the populace (i.e. those who still possess functioning brains) would be best harnessed rounding up the imbeciles on the jury and administering them a damn good thrashing – preferably in a public venue such as the indescribably hideous Federation Square.

  167. Entropy

    Diogenes
    #2947085, posted on March 1, 2019 at 8:10 am
    Numbers
    Upon further thought, I have some memory that that pipeline was going to built anyway – so that Poowoomba’s treated waste water would be fed into Wivenhoe, as Wivenhoe was low as well, but that idea died a quick death when Brisbane & Ipswich Councils rejected the idea outright

    Nah. It was the other way around. Wivenhoe water to Toowoomba.

  168. stackja

    Percy Popinjay
    #2947110, posted on March 1, 2019 at 8:51 am
    Regarding the Pell travesty, I think the righteous anger of the populace (i.e. those who still possess functioning brains) would be best harnessed rounding up the imbeciles on the jury and administering them a damn good thrashing – preferably in a public venue such as the indescribably hideous Federation Square.

    The jury is just the result of the ‘elite’ telling ‘lies’. The ‘elite’ need to be disciplined. Discipline best applied through the market place, deny the ‘elite’ their sustenance.

  169. Geriatric Mayfly

    would be best harnessed rounding up the imbeciles on the jury and administering them a damn good thrashing

    What? And put a stain on our impeccable judicial system. Can’t have that.

  170. stackja

    Hetty Johnston
    From Wikipedia
    Hetty Johnston can’t get elected to any public office.

  171. Leo G

    As if it would have mattered what Pell’s defence raised. They could have shown he was in Fiji sunbathing at the time and he would have still been convicted.

    How does a person even get charged with an impossible assault against a person who was deceased by the time of the indictment and who had denied the assault took place?

  172. stackja

    Lawyer X childcare centre gong: Police informer received Premier’s volunteer award
    Anthony Dowsley and Patrick Carlyon, Herald Sun
    March 1, 2019 12:00am
    Subscriber only

    Weeks before the State Government called a royal commission into the scandal over Lawyer X, the barrister received a Premier’s volunteer award for saving a childcare centre.

    It can also be revealed the lawyer whom police recruited to inform on gangland clients, possibly tainting dozens of convictions against the ­nation’s worst drug lords and killers, is an “outcast” from her prominent Melbourne family.

    Even as the High Court was concluding last year that the one-time high-flyer had committed “atrocious” breaches of her obligations as a lawyer, she was being celebrated at Government House for “skilled and selfless leadership” in saving a Brighton childcare centre.

    The citation for Lawyer X, also a committee president at a nearby kindergarten, read: “Practical and passionate, (she) has created a true community hub for successive generations of children and families.”

  173. Mother Lode

    Oprah to Address World Summit on ‘How Women Can Save the Planet’

    Relevance deprivation syndrome.

    After more than a decade of people telling her how important she is and what leader she is, it will suddenly dawn on her that her fans have deserted her and now flock around a new totem – who will in their turn be raised on high and dropped.

    Thing is she would actually have something useful to give if she grasped this recurring cycle and told the fickle mob what they are doing.

    Still, at least she is not a bitter spurned harridan like the Hilderbeest whose bright future is all behind her.

  174. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Zali Steggal? The conservative ginger group’s focus of attack in paid advertisements? I know I have had other things on my mind lately, but will somebody please fill me in or remind me? How is this going to win the election in the face of Labor climate lunacy, rising electricity prices, and hands in everyone’s hip pockets, to say nothing of immigrants on roads, in schools, leaping waiting lists in hospitals and in public housing?

  175. Snoopy

    Maybe it’s just me, but surely having a gay activist working in an area of law enforcement wherein staff interview suspects of the sexual abuse of children is unwise? How far does his activism extend?

  176. Tel

    A jury trial is a fundamental and inseparable part of democracy.

    It’s not perfect, and a genuine benign dictator would be better, but the trouble with dictators is once they turn out not to be benign then it’s too late. Democracy is designed to get a least worst result, instead of the best result.

  177. Percy Popinjay

    The jury is just the result of the ‘elite’ telling ‘lies’.

    Garbage. The jury utterly failed to carry out in any responsible or acceptable manner the very serious role they were granted. Had I been on the jury there would have been no guilty verdict and that would have been that.

    If the state attempts to act in a tyrannical manner, it is up to the citizenry to stop it. Twelve members of the citizenry had just that opportunity to do so in this instance.

    How those monumental fuckwits came up with a unanimous guilty verdict based on the charges and the evidence presented to them, is beyond belief.

    Hence the need to administer them an extremely lengthy and painful public thrashing.

  178. Crossie:

    There is nothing unusual about that demand when you remember we are no longer a united country or society. I want so much for this not to be true, I have grandchildren whom I want to experience a country that I grew up in, not this chaotic conglomeration of dwellers.

    Do you mean “This Nation of Tribes?”
    This is where collectivism leads us. Next step is the fighting between the different sorts of collectivists as they divide the spoils they refuse to contribute to.
    (Best seen in the Victim Totem hierarchy.)

  179. Percy Popinjay

    Tel – I’m not criticising the jury system as such, just the fuckwits on the jury in the Pell case.

  180. Apparently sexual offending against minors won’t get you excommunicated, but supporting the ordination of women does?

    Based on the experience of Bishop Bill Morris, who was sacked by Benedict for discussing (not supporting) the idea of married clergy and ordination of women, there is some truth to this.
    At about the same time he was dismissed (not excommunicated) Morris had acted swiftly to compensate the families of children abused at a local Catholic school, and sacked the principal involved.
    As a parishioner in Morris’ Diocese, I wrote to Pell, expressing my dismay at the sacking. In my letter, I drew attention to the work Morris had done in setting up a sacramental programme for children with disabilities.
    This grew out of a visit Bill Morris made to my school seeking guidance as to what nature of adjustments would need to be made to adequately prepare these children so they could access the same kind of instruction available to all other children. By this time, I had been principal of four different schools, and never before had I been approached by a bishop with such a strong pastoral attitude to all his flock, and the determination to put that into practice.

    Pell didn’t reply to my letter, but I received a note from Dr Michael Casey, his private secretary, pointing out that I had “misunderstood the situation so thoroughly”.
    Included in the letter was a copy of an article from http://www.catholicnewsagency.com which referred to “critics of the bishop”. These people (about three all up) were what became to be known as the “Temple Police”. They used to turn up at Morris’ Mass with notebooks hoping to catch him out in some obscure breach of ritual. I don’t know for sure where this “evidence” went, but would be surprised if it didn’t cross Pell’s desk at some point.
    There was a candlelight process held in protest at the sacking which was attended by almost every parishioner in the Toowoomba area from the parishes involved. Toowoomba is a pretty conservative city.

    I often wonder how the current Pope would have handled the situation, and note that Morris’ advocacy became an issue only after Pell became a cardinal, whereupon it simmered away until his influence became strong at the Vatican. The timing is intriguing.

  181. Snoopy

    Sleeping Giants Australia is likely a GetUp! initiative. Like everything on the Left it is a US-born strategy.

  182. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Yes. Come on Bolt. A quick investigative report on Sleeping Midgets please. Can all fair-minded journalists do likewise too? Advance Australia would do well to prepare a fact sheet for corporations large and small about the dangers to their businesses that can ensue if they take these organised socialist provocateurs seriously. Shine some bright lights on these sewer rats.

  183. Eyrie

    “Drinking recycled sewage water was the plan for all Australia back in 2006, but the Toowoomba plebiscite put it on hold. (62% – 38%)”
    Yup, the dreadful coarse bogan Di Thorley was totally on board with the plan. CH2MHill were using it as a test case because they wanted to sell the technology to China after using us as guinea pigs. Di Thorley never saw a stupid idea she did not like and the role of the council engineer wasn’t glorious.
    The “ultra pure” water was going to contain something like 30ppm of unknown small molecules. Think of that as a one meter cube and you put in it 30 ml of say, paint thinners,etc etc.
    As usual numb nuts has it wrong. The people most in favour of recycling were, for the main, carpetbaggers who stood to gain in some way. Fucking stupid idea and Berghofer had in fact put in place plans to build a dam at Emu Creek and all the landholders involved were on board as they would get lakefront property. This was knocked back on the grounds that it would take water away from Wivenhoe which would have been a great idea. I was at the public meeting where Berghofer mentioned this.
    When Berghofer was Mayor the Councillors got a small allowance of a few thousand dollars a year. Now the scum get the same as a Queensland State backbencher.

  184. Snoopy

    IOC announces the end of women’s sport:

    It’s time I reassessed my low opinion of the IOC. This is going to be huuge.

  185. Eyrie

    Yes, no women’s sport at all. After all they are exactly the same as men aren’t they? So just have one category for people. Well done, ladies.

  186. areff

    …Basharat Khaliq, 38, Saeed Akhtar, 55, Naveed Akhtar, 43, Parvaze Ahmed, 36, Izar Hussain, 32, Zeeshan Ali, 32, Keiran Harris, 28,

    Multiculturalism!

  187. Infidel Tiger

    Daniel Andrews, a practising Catholic, admits the church has an enormous amount of work to do after George Pell’s conviction.

    You can’t make this shit up.

    Andrews has introduced bans on protesting abortion, “Safe Schools” and euthanasia.

  188. Infidel Tiger

    Transgender atheletes to be allowed to compete as the other sex in the Olympics WITHOUT having gender reassignment surgery.

    Woohoo!

    I thought my chances of Olympic Gold were over!

  189. Entropy

    Fucking stupid idea and Berghofer had in fact put in place plans to build a dam at Emu Creek

    Is that the magical dam that will provide endless supplies of town and irrigation water? Look, I am a fan of dams, but let’s not pretend the supply potential is endless. That sort of thing is just a different kind of carpet bagging, complete with subsidy, to those pushing their subsidised recycled water schemes.

  190. C.L.

    Bill Morris was sacked for being a vainglorious self-appointed pope.
    Nearly 20 years earlier, St John Paul II had infallibly declared women’s ordination not possible, would never happen (in all of history) and that all of the faithful had to accept this decision.
    Pope Bill (in Toowoomba!) overruled the judgement – thus rejecting not only the authority of the pope but of Christ Himself who gave John Paul the Keys of St Peter. Essentially, Morris was founding his own cult – which is not unprecedented in the nutball town of Toowoomba.
    Pope Benedict’s removal of Morris was fully backed by the Australian Catholic Bishops’ Conference; which is to say, it was backed by every other bishop in Australia.

  191. Mother Lode

    Transgender atheletes to be allowed to compete as the other sex in the Olympics WITHOUT having gender reassignment surgery.

    I wonder what they will make of the fact that there are no biological women trying to get into the men’s sports.

  192. Leo G

    Tel – I’m not criticising the jury system as such, just the fuckwits on the jury in the Pell case.

    The jury system clearly failed. In the first trial, two partisan jurors cunningly concealed a deliberate intent to disregard evidence. In the subsequent trial, all jurors successfully concealed the same intent.
    How can that happen without a corrupt jury system?

  193. Geriatric Mayfly

    Transgender atheletes to be allowed to compete as the other sex in the Olympics WITHOUT having gender reassignment surgery.

    This could be it. Peak Stupid conquered at last.

  194. dover_beach

    Oprah to Address World Summit on ‘How Women Can Save the Planet’

    How many women were on Pell’s jury?

  195. Geriatric Mayfly

    How many women were on Pell’s jury?

    Something that has intrigued me as well DB. And in the aborted trial, might the two holding out to the bitter end have been cranky, bitter wimminzes?

  196. Infidel Tiger

    Trudeau is in serious trouble.

    Could be gone in days.

  197. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    9/11 a comedy show, claims touring sheik

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    12:00AM March 1, 2019
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    An Egyptian sheik touring Aust­ralian mosques has mocked the September 11, 2001, and Charlie Hebdo terror attacks as “comedy films” and repeatedly denounced Jews and Christians in social media posts and sermons.

    Sheik Omar Abdel Kafi — who is in Australia on a week-long speaking tour — told supporters in 2015 that Muslims were not involve­d in attacks on French magazine Charlie Hebdo and the World Trade Centre in New York.

    “This play, to which the Muslims­ are subjected ad naus­eam across the world, is the sequel to the comedy film of 9/11 … The first part took place in New York, and the sequel is taking place in Paris,” Dr Abdel Kafi said.

    “Soon you will find out that (the Paris attacks) were a comedy show, in which we played no part.”

    The Islamic preacher, who has visited mosques in Adelaide and Melbourne and delivers his final sermon tonight at Lakemba, in Sydney’s southwest, has been promoted as “one of the most renown­ed scholars of our time” and described by supporters as a “peaceful man”.

    Last night more than 700 worshippers listened to Dr Abdel Kafi’s speech after evening prayers at Misjad Al Noor mosque in South Granville in Sydney’s west. The mosque — linked to slain al-Nusra jihadists Yusuf Ali and Amira Karroum — did not respon­d to requests for comment.

    From the Oz. And we are supposed to take these knuckledraggers seriously?

  198. Mother Lode

    This could be it. Peak Stupid conquered at last.

    You know what you will always find just beyond peak stupid, don’t you?

  199. Des Deskperson

    Speaking of the ABC, here’s an op ed on the ABC news website by Judith Brett, emeritus professor of politics at La Trobe University:

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-03-01/compulsory-voting-federal-election-the-good-bits-of-politics/10825482

    The article argues for compulsory voting, mainly on the basis that it advantages politicians – like Kerryn Phelps – that she likes. She provides little evidence for this, but maybe her book – which we will get to in a moment – has more rigour. She also says that compulsory voting makes Australia ‘good at elections’ again, it seems , because it helps to elect the right people. I assume she is not referring to our technical excellence in organising elections, the loss those ballots in WA showed convincingly otherwise.

    But the real issue is at the tail end of the article:

    ‘This is an edited extract from her new book, From Secret Ballot to Democracy Sausage: How Australia Got Compulsory Voting.’

    It’s taxpayer-funded promo for a mate!! This seems to happen all the time. The real problem with the ABC is inbreeding, mates and mattresses perpetually patting one another on the back . As Egg, IIRC, opined once, they need to get out more.

  200. Mother Lode

    Peak stupid is like peak oil – we just keep on finding more of the stuff.

  201. Pope Bill (in Toowoomba!) overruled the judgement

    Total rubbish.
    He had no power to overrule anything.
    What he was trying to do was plan for the future in a diocese larger than the whole of Italy. It extends West to Birdsville. It takes a few priests to cover that country.
    Morris appeared before the RC into institutional abuse, and his testimony included evidence that the Vatican wanted him out before he could finish his task sorting out the “catastrophe” that had occurred in a local school.
    The Pope sent an “apostolic visitor” to report on Morris (the Most Reverend Charles J. Chaput OFM Cap, then Archbishop of Denver) during April 2007. Chaput refused, when invited, to travel with Morris to get an idea of the size of the diocese.
    Chaput’s report was handed to the Congregation for Bishops in May 2007. Morris says that he has never seen it.

  202. candy

    I think the jurors had to find Pell guilty. The pressure must have been enormous and their jobs/families at risk. Very vicious media who attack people whose views they hate. If you go around saying you think Pell is innocent, well you can’t, for your own wellbeing. Do not mention, stay away from the subject at all costs. It must have been very hard for the jurors and especially the male ones.

    I don’t know if jurors are guaranteed privacy and secrecy but does such a thing exist really anyway in today’s tech world.

  203. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    9/11 a comedy show, claims touring sheik

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    An Egyptian sheik touring Aust­ralian mosques has mocked the September 11, 2001, and Charlie Hebdo terror attacks as “comedy films” and repeatedly denounced J#ws and Christians in social media posts and sermons.

    Sheik Omar Abdel Kafi — who is in Australia on a week-long speaking tour — told supporters in 2015 that Muslims were not involve­d in attacks on French magazine Charlie Hebdo and the World Trade Centre in New York.

    “This play, to which the Muslims­ are subjected ad naus­eam across the world, is the sequel to the comedy film of 9/11 … The first part took place in New York, and the sequel is taking place in Paris,” Dr Abdel Kafi said.

    “Soon you will find out that (the Paris attacks) were a comedy show, in which we played no part.”

    The Islamic preacher, who has visited mosques in Adelaide and Melbourne and delivers his final sermon tonight at Lakemba, in Sydney’s southwest, has been promoted as “one of the most renown­ed scholars of our time” and described by supporters as a “peaceful man”.

    Last night more than 700 worshippers listened to Dr Abdel Kafi’s speech after evening prayers at Misjad Al Noor mosque in South Granville in Sydney’s west. The mosque — linked to slain al-Nusra jihadists Yusuf Ali and Amira Karroum — did not respon­d to requests for comment.

    From the Oz. And we are supposed to take these knuckledraggers seriously?

  204. Makka

    George Pell: This saga has a long way to go yet

    While Cardinal George Pell is under lock and key, awaiting sentencing for guilty verdicts on five serious child sexual abuse charges, ongoing unease in some quarters about the soundness of those verdicts makes them worthy of scrutiny.

    Only two options present themselves — first, that Pell is a sacrilegious hypocrite, with the agility of Houdini; or second, that an alarming miscarriage of justice has played out at the hands of the Victorian justice system. There can be no middle ground. The saga now shifts to the Victorian Court of Appeal.

    The guilty verdict was delivered in December by a unanimous jury, in a properly constituted court, after an earlier jury was dismissed on September 20 because it split 10-2 in Pell’s favour. Hence the second trial, in which many people, whether they like or loathe Pell and all he stands for, believe went badly wrong.

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    If so, the jury were not the only ones to get it wrong, nor the most culpable. Hard questions need to be asked about police and judicial processes, including how and why certain allegations ever made it to court, let alone to trial.

    During the first trial, observers in the gallery claimed: “Even if he didn’t do it he deserves to be punished. He was in charge of the whole show’’. How much did such sentiments influence the verdicts, if at all? Australian justice cannot sink so low.

    Studied closely, the five convictions of child sexual abuse are grotesque, implausible and break the bounds of credulity. In religious terms, they would be grave sacrileges.

    Four offences purportedly took place over a six minute period in the sacristy (robing room) of the cathedral in late 1996, against two 13 year-old boys, immediately after the Sunday Solemn Mass. The fifth supposedly took place at around the same time of day, also on a Sunday Mass, in the cathedral corridors about a month later, against one boy.

    The logistics were incredible. When Pell became archbishop of Melbourne in August 1996, St Patrick’s was closed for renovations, leaving only two dates on which he celebrated Sunday Mass at the Cathedral — December 15 and December 22nd. Yet the charges, initially at least, related to incidents in 1996, allegedly “a month apart”.

    Pell’s counsel, Robert Richter QC raised the issue of timing at the opening of the second trial, noting that the police investigation failed to establish proper dates and that after the defence did so, the prosecution changed the date of the fifth alleged offence to February the following year.

    Throughout the ordeal, not a single witness backed the accuser, a man now in his mid-30s who also, sources close to the cardinal claim, reported another Melbourne priest for abuse. One senior legal figure, with no connections to the case, told Pell he had never heard of such a trial proceeding without a single witness.

    Because the renovations were incomplete by the end of 1996, Pell did not use the relatively private Archbishop’s sacristy. He was in the busy priests’ sacristy, with priests, altar servers and others coming and going.

    It is extremely unfortunate, some of Pell’s friends believe, that the two juries hearing the case were taken around the cathedral on a quiet weekday when it is usually all but deserted, rather than having the chance to see its hustle and bustle on Sunday mornings.

    Four witnesses, appearing for the prosecution, testified that Pell was never alone in the sacristy, the door of which was open. The witnesses were Monsignor Charles Portelli, who was the Archbishop’s Master of Ceremonies and the former Cathedral sacristan Max Potter and two former servers.

    In May last year, during the Committal hearing, Magistrate Belinda Wallington, who sent the Cardinal to trial over the Cathedral charges noted that “If a jury accepted the evidence of Monsignor Portelli and Mr Potter that the archbishop was never in the sacristy robed and alone, and that choirboys could never access the sacristy keys because they were always locked when unused, then a jury could not convict.’’

    The fifth charge was even more bizarre. It claimed that more a month after the initial incident, again after Mass as the liturgical procession was returning to the sacristy area, Pell lurched across to the complainant and briefly grabbed the complainant’s genitals through the complainant’s robes. Not a single witness corroborated that allegation, either, although such behaviour would have been seen by dozens of people and provoked uproar.

    According to the evidence, Pell was fully vested when he committed the crimes of which he was found guilty. Over his trousers and shirt, he wore an alb — a long, straight white garment, extending from shoulder to the floor, with no openings and no splits at the front or sides that would have allowed the garment to be moved aside, as alleged. Over the alb, Pell wore a cincture — a thick cord tied several times around his waist, and over that a heavy chasuble (the outer robe). Those garments, worn by every priest at Mass, have spiritual significance. The choir boys were also vested in robes over their shirts and trousers.

    The timing was odd for another reason. The scandal of clerical abuse was a major issue in the news in late 1996 in Melbourne after the inglorious legacy of Pell’s predecessor, Archbishop Frank Little. Pell had launched the Melbourne Response in October 1996, a system to deal with the problem led by an independent QC and the first of its kind for the Catholic Church in the world. In that atmosphere, the notion of Pell committing grotesque offences in a semipublic place with an open door (a point not disputed by the prosecution) at a busy time defies logic.

    During the committal hearing, Ms Wallington dismissed even more grotesque charges against Pell, dating back decades before 1996 to provincial Victoria. As Richter said in his summing up in the Committal hearing, one charge that was subsequently dismissed owed “more to the watching of Satanist movies’’.

    It was extreme, violent and satanic, lending weight to the view that Pell has been the victim of a vile stitch up. If so, it needs to be uncovered. In the committal hearing, Richter said had the police made proper investigations (as the defence did) they would have discovered no evidence that Pell was ever at the institution where the alleged Satanic incident occurred.

    Questions also need to be asked about why Victoria Police, set up a “get Pell’’ Operation Tethering in March 2013 — a year before he was appointed Vatican Treasurer. At the time the operation started no complaints had been made against the Cardinal.

    However grim things look for Pell today, this saga has a long way to unravel yet.

    Tess Livingstone’s biography of George Pell was published in 2002. She was asked for and provided a character reference for his trial that was not tendered.

  205. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    private jets passing on the tarmack
    Jody Wilson-Raybould says Justin Trudeau personally and directly pressured her to intervene in the prosecution of SNC-Lavalin, citing not only jobs but also the Quebec provincial election and his own electoral fortunes as reasons to cut the company a sweetheart deal.

  206. stackja

    Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
    #2947168, posted on March 1, 2019 at 10:03 am

    Meanwhile David Icke was denied a visa.

  207. Tel

    The jury system clearly failed. In the first trial, two partisan jurors cunningly concealed a deliberate intent to disregard evidence. In the subsequent trial, all jurors successfully concealed the same intent.
    How can that happen without a corrupt jury system?

    Judging from both people I read on the Internet and people I bump into in real life, the overall typical regard for evidence in a practical sense is gradually going down. People not only put less effort into making sense of the world, they also seem not to worry as much about stuff that doesn’t make sense.

    We even have insults now like “truther” where we consider people somehow stupid to even attempt to ascertain truth by using outdated concepts like cause and effect. The very act of analysis is socially derided. Like, what are you some kind of dinosaur? Move into the post truth world man, get with it!

    Then there’s a broad normalization of observable internal states that exist without connection to any tangible behaviour. For example, when people call Trump a “racist” they generally cannot refer to any specific action that Trump has undertaken, but that doesn’t matter because look directly into Trump’s heart and see “racist” written there and that’s a legitimate way of understanding the world these days.

  208. stackja

    Meanwhile ‘child protection’ in Victoria.

    Teen girl dies, passenger injured after car ploughs into tree in Cooper St, Epping
    Josh Fagan, Herald Sun
    March 1, 2019 6:00am

    A teenage was driving at high speed when she smashed into a concrete barrier, killing herself and injuring her 16-year-old passenger in Melbourne’s north this morning.

    The force of the smash threw the 15-year-old driver from Wollert from the car that was reported stolen just before the deadly smash at Cooper St, Epping about 1am.

  209. Tel

    The jury system clearly failed. In the first trial, two partisan jurors cunningly concealed a deliberate intent to disregard evidence. In the subsequent trial, all jurors successfully concealed the same intent.
    How can that happen without a corrupt jury system?

    Judging from both people I read on the Internet and people I bump into in real life, the overall typical regard for evidence in a practical sense is gradually going down. People not only put less effort into making sense of the world, they also seem not to worry as much about stuff that doesn’t make sense.

    We even have insults now like “t r u t h e r” where we consider people somehow stupid to even attempt to ascertain truth by using outdated concepts like cause and effect. The very act of analysis is socially derided. Like, what are you some kind of dinosaur? Move into the post truth world man, get with it!

    Then there’s a broad normalization of observable internal states that exist without connection to any tangible behaviour. For example, when people call Trump a “r a c i s t” they generally cannot refer to any specific action that Trump has undertaken, but that doesn’t matter because look directly into Trump’s heart and see “r a c i s t” written there and that’s a legitimate way of understanding the world these days.

  210. Tel

    Ooopse, sorry for repetition. First one didn’t come out … then it did. World of mystery out there.

  211. Colonel Crispin Berka, King's Fusiliers Corps.

    Attended Jordan Peterson’s lecture last night in Brisbane, which was also the final of 136 lectures in his world tour. Even when you’ve seen quite a few of his videos and heard much of the material before, it is still an overwhelming torrent of information. BCEC was packed to the rafters. Only one act of heckling in the whole show and that wasn’t until the Q&A. Metal detectors on entry though (because our enemies want peace, love, unity, and respect. heh.)

    His web site was updated after the show with news of what will undoubtedly be an amazing event.
    Turns out the grudge match of the 20th century won’t happen until the 21st century:

    Friday, April 19th at the Sony Centre in Toronto, Ontario, Canada, I am debating Slavoj Zizek, Slovenian philosopher and professor at the Institute for Sociology and Philosophy at the University of Ljubljana, whose works on cultural studies, psychoanalysis and, above all, for the purposes of this announcement, Marxism, are world-renowned. The topic? Happiness: Marxism vs Capitalism

    This is no walk in Gorky park. If Zizek can avoid telling crass jokes for more than 5 minutes at a time he might even give Peterson a run for his money. But the final result is already certain. Each side will say they won. The Capitalist will have his facts and the Marxist will have his… alternative facts. 🙂

  212. CL:

    IOC announces the end of women’s sport.

    Delightful!
    It’s payback for invading the Mens Only Clubs.
    Here, hold my beer while men collectively laugh their guts out.

  213. Black Ball

    Megastructures today focussing on Kansai Airport. Quite an incredible structure, I think it cost 15 billion to build. Audacious project but the Japanese know how to do stuff.

  214. Makka

    Trump walks away from a bad deal with the Norks (aka China) . Should be more of it.

  215. twostix

    Oprah to Address World Summit on ‘How Women Can Save the Planet’

    Leave their make work jobs, start raising their children and rebuilding their families and local communities again.

  216. So who will run the Royal Commission into the Victorian Police Force as well as the Courts that produced this collection of legalistic turds?
    The Courts?
    The Police Force?
    The Victorian Parliament?
    WASF.

  217. stackja

    Makka
    #2947190, posted on March 1, 2019 at 10:27 am

    Jimmy Carter made a SALT deal. Ronald Reagan made a START deal.

  218. dover_beach

    Questions also need to be asked about why Victoria Police, set up a “get Pell’’ Operation Tethering in March 2013 — a year before he was appointed Vatican Treasurer. At the time the operation started no complaints had been made against the Cardinal.

    For this reason alone, the Pell saga is our Dreyfus Affair, not merely a rerun of the Chamberlain case.

  219. Tel

    Tel, that’s a very stupid comment.

    From you I’ll take that as a complement. Think of it as a double negative.

  220. Snoopy

    RMIT ABC Fact Check:

    Will the medevac bill allow healthy refugees on Nauru and Manus to come to Australia?

    The verdict
    Mr Coleman’s claim is spin.

    Snoopy’s verdict? The RMIT ABC Fact Check verdict is bullshit. If Coleman’s claim is a lie they wouldn’t pass on the opportunity to crow about it.

  221. None

    I’m going to vomit Dan Andrews presented as a
    ” practicing Catholic” on the front page of the Australian is lecturing the Catholic Churc. Please somebody just excommunicate him.

  222. Notafan

    Someone mentioned that there was a protestant minister on the jury, now that can be fine, but also very not fine if said minister is one of those whore of babylon/Catholics are not Christian types.

    would not be that hard to find out, social media or just attend a service or three

    the ones with a thing tend to preach it, I know someone who left AOG because of constant anti Catholic rhetoric,

  223. None

    On understanding the world: well said Tel.

  224. thefrollickingmole

    to taking out an ad calling for the death penality for guys who turned out to be innocent

    Dear dear me…

    penality….

  225. I’m waiting for an abc factcheck:

    “Did the ABC influence the outcome of the pell trial?”

    Of course we already know the answer the abc will provide.

  226. Infidel Tiger

    Someone mentioned that there was a protestant minister on the jury

    Surely not?

    Rod Bowers type.

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