Open Forum: March 2, 2019

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  1. Arky

    We’re not the ones proposing that human existence is a fiction, BeauGan.
    ..
    Oh gawd. No wonder Arky is dancing around shouting in triumph how he won the argument if this is your interpretation.

    ..
    It’s even worse than that. I don’t really think there’s a me at all.

  2. stackja

    Parking fine review legal glitch could cost some Victorian councils millions
    John Masanauskas, city editor, Herald Sun
    9 minutes ago
    Subscriber only

    Councils could be forced to pay back millions of dollars in parking fine revenue after it was revealed that the process for reviewing fines was allegedly illegal.

    The City of Monash is understood to be among several councils using parking contractor Tenix that have been caught up in the fiasco.

  3. Arky

    Beaugan finally agreed with my initial argument that that reality is shit.
    It only took me 12 hours to get him there.

  4. DrBeauGan

    notafan
    #2950027, posted on March 4, 2019 at 10:46 am
    Nothing is real and eternal, — nothing is Spirit, — but God and His idea. Evil has no reality. It is neither person, place, nor thing, but is simply a belief, an illusion of material sense.

    the ever chaning nature of me put me in mind of Christian Scientism

    Crikey, no, anything but. There’s some metaphysical garbage for you. She makes Arky and Roger look like lucid thinkers.

  5. Thankyou Jessie

    so sub incision is a unique practice

    I’m surprised the lobby doesn’t make more of a show of this extraordinary part of Aboriginal culture

    Something the progs could really get their teeth around

  6. stackja

    ABC’s Four Corners on Pell tonight.

    How a devastated family watched their son’s life spiral after George Pell abuse
    Four Corners By Louise Milligan

  7. twostix

    Lesbian feminist Julia Gillard was right behind the whole “mens shed” thing.

    That’s all we need to know about that.

  8. Arky

    She makes Arky and Roger look like lucid thinkers.

    ..
    More personal abuse.
    No arguments left.

  9. stackja

    C.L.
    #2949921, posted on March 4, 2019 at 9:20 am

    Teach me to scroll!

  10. Bushkid

    stackja
    #2949534, posted on March 3, 2019 at 9:02 pm
    Experts fear we’ll soon be raising illiterate generations as Aussie kids’ speech issues hit worst levels

    Apologies if someone has already said this, but that’s actually the plan, isn’t it? A dumbed-down population that needs help to tie its own shoelaces is more easily controlled.

  11. Roger

    She makes Arky and Roger look like lucid thinkers.

    And out comes the ad hom fallacy, last resort of the defeated.

    Arky, I suggest we grant him his wish and pretend he doesn’t exist.

  12. Arky

    Arky, I suggest we grant him his wish and pretend he doesn’t exist.

    ..
    I refuse to concede to Beaugan his non-existence.

  13. Parking officer came by at 5.52 last Saturday booking peoples in a commercial zone that had parking restrictions til 6.00, all the shops closed at 5 and there were a few stragglers, plenty of vacant spaces.

    if council want to make sure strip shopping is completely abandoned they are doing a great job

    vultures

  14. DrBeauGan

    It’s even worse than that. I don’t really think there’s a me at all.

    We’ve been here before, Arky. Your inability to discriminate two different things causes problems for you. It’s exacerbated by your commitment to some metaphysical garbage that you have taken for granted for so long you can’t see it.

  15. Stimpson J. Cat

    Just think, if my parents had lobotomized me as a child they could have prevented all my potential mental illnesses.
    I wouldn’t have felt a thing.
    The b$stards.
    😁

  16. Arky

    We’ve been here before, Arky. Your inability to discriminate two different things causes problems for you. It’s exacerbated by your commitment to some metaphysical garbage that you have taken for granted for so long you can’t see it.

    ..
    No.
    No argument here either.
    We will leave that as the last word shall we?
    I will leave your next response as the end of it.
    I have things to do.

  17. Parking inspectors issued 8490 fines to vehicles overstaying in Glen Waverley between October 8 last year and January 31 this year.

    Almost $900,000 has been raised through the PODS in the same time period across Monash.

    Cr Perri said the sensors were working correctly agai

    nthey’ve gone too far

  18. cohenite

    i had wondered previously about this statement published in The Australian:-
    1/3/2019 George Pell accuser’s sister speaks out

    What dampens my rage and instead restores my faith in being human is how the public has sent the strongest of messages to these men of white privilege and power.
    You no longer rule our world.

    Pell is now being sued in a civil case by the swimming pool boy who had his criminal case dropped by vicpol.

  19. DrBeauGan

    I’m surprised the lobby doesn’t make more of a show of this extraordinary part of Aboriginal culture

    Something the progs could really get their teeth around

    Like I said earlier, it’s more of that deep spirituality that aborigines are so famous for.

  20. Arky

    Just think, if my parents had lobotomized me as a child they could have prevented all my potential mental illnesses.
    I wouldn’t have felt a thing.
    The b$stards.

    ..
    A lobotomised Stimpson exists in an alternate part of the multiverse as a process, but isn’t you.
    /BG

  21. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    The origin of subincision and the reason for its localization to the Australian continent has not been satisfactorily explained. The mutilation is still performed among tribal Aborigines, and identifies a man as holding a position of status within the tribe.

    I have written here before about subincision. Various theories have been offered, the most satisfactory of which relates to initiation as being a sign of the men’s capacity to ‘create’ full warrior males. The regular ritual bloodletting then symbolizes the ‘pseudo-female’ activity of males thus being creative beings in a manner similar to females, in that subincised adult males now ‘menstruate’ as women do. The subincision also eventually creates a penis that has some of the folded characteristics of a female vulva, and older males with deep bifurcation of the penis must urinate in a squatting position, as females do. One earlier anthropologist likened this sort of penis to ‘a pair of kippers’. Initiation rituals world-wide in pre-literate societies would often include a re-birth ceremony, involving males emerging from a specially built tunnel, or undergoing the more usual genital mutilation of circumcision, or sometimes involved younger men in rituals of dominance by older males, up to and including ritual anal intercourse with them. The location rituals of subincision probably relates to the isolation of aboriginal communities from all (or most) other populations since the time of early human migrations out of Africa, and thus rituals of an earlier hunter-gatherer period are still found in Australia. Male paternity even now may not be particularly well understood by pre-literate peoples, and was less so during the development of the human cultural group. Peoples who had no contact with the cultures of the Neolithic, where animal tending and plant selection introduced a less religious and more practical understanding of pregnancy, still carried out rituals of spirit control of fertility. Women had their own rituals strongly related to bodily functioning, men developed parallel rituals that gave them a place conceptually about where babies came from. Informants will still answer when queried about their rituals that women make babies but only men and make men. I find all of this fascinating in relation to speculating about the essential origin of ‘father’ gods.

    There is also, often unrecognized, a long time-depth in a number of aspects of human culture, as we see from the Gargas cave I visited in the Pyrenees. In New Guinea societies of the pre-contact and contact period, the chopping off a digit of the hand in order to memorialise a dead person is well documented. I have seen it there myself. Prints of hands deliberately deformed abound in the Gargas cave going back to 20,000 years. It seems to have not existed, or have been dropped, in the aboriginal hand prints found in Australian rock shelters although there may be one or two (can’t remember where now).

    Other issues of interest in rituals emulative of female reproduction by males include the reverse case of removing from the female any suggestion of a male appendage, with males claiming absolute rights over such bodily appearance, thus cliterodectomy is still a common tribal practice (as we sadly see with some of our immigrant populations), ‘enhanced’ by male control over the female body by the removal of the labia and sewing together of the vaginal opening, making menstruation and childbirth more painful and very hazardous. There is also the couvade, a ritual whereby a man takes to his bed as soon as his wife begins to give birth, and he experiences strong birth pains too – another anthropologically well-documented human ritual. Meanwhile, women were often confined to menstrual huts or excluded from religious sites during menstruation and pregnancy, pregnancy required ritual ‘confinement’ (even up to medieval times in European cultures), and many other rituals often surround pregnancy and birth.

  22. Radio report that VikPol were stopping people fleeing Gippsland fires – to handout infringement notices for exceeding the speed limit (by 8kph according to one caller).

    Policing at its best!

  23. twostix

    I don’t think the false imprisonment in Victoria of a catholic top guy is the harbinger of civilizational doom that some conservatives are making it out to be.

    I mean, 3/4 of the conservatives in Australia revere modern England’s history. What the hell do they think that was built upon?

    To me it’s another day in British history in the most British of places outside of the trash filled British islands: Victoria, Australia.

  24. Snoopy

    Anyone who is in a men’s shed will be unable to join.

    Quite rightly. Women have elbowed their way into some men’s sheds so total exclusion is necessary to ensure the Church of the Holy Meat Tray and BYO Esky remains men only.

  25. OldOzzie

    Trump Just Might Have Won the 2020 Election Today

    The president’s speech at CPAC was a bedazzling mix of bravado, B.S., humor, and positive vision no Democrat will be able to top.

    Nick Gillespie

    I was on airplanes all day yesterday—three legs to get home from the east coast because of the heavy snow in Denver—so I missed Trump’s tour de force at CPAC. And while there is a lot of commentary about it today, I perked up at one set of observations in particular—those of Nick Gillespie of Reason.

    I know Nick pretty well, and he is an uber-libertarian who dislikes politics and does not much like politicians of any kind, and surely isn’t a fan of many of Trump’s policies. But Nick’s great strength is his feel for pop culture, and insofar as politics today is in very large part a cultural phenomenon, it is worth paying attention when Nick says of Trump’s CPAC speech that “Trump Just Might Have Won the 2020 Election Today.”

    It’s way too early to be thinking this, much less saying it, but what the hell: If Donald Trump is able to deliver the sort of performance he gave today at the Conservative Political Action Conference (CPAC), the annual meeting of right-wingers held near Washington, D.C., his reelection is a foregone conclusion.

    There is simply no potential candidate in the Democratic Party who wouldn’t be absolutely blown off the stage by him. I say this as someone who is neither a Trump fanboy nor a Never Trumper. But he was not simply good, he was Prince-at-the-Super-Bowl great, deftly flinging juvenile taunts at everyone who has ever crossed him, tossing red meat to the Republican faithful, and going sotto voce serious to talk about justice being done for working-class Americans screwed over by global corporations. . .

  26. twostix

    Also if you’re an Anglican concerned about the Victorian establishment pursuing and imprisoning Catholic Pell.

    Awkard.

  27. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Cheer up, Stimpy, you are doing OK.
    Lucky to have had a mum and dad actually. Poor kids today get numbers.

    You too Arky. A Model A is fine for the meaning of life.
    Hope you dreamed of spoked wheels.

  28. Des Deskperson

    ‘Des, would you have any idea of the actual package Chrissy Pyne or Julie Bishop would be on once they’ve left parliament?’

    It’s a bit complicated, I’m no expert, and it would also depend on what super system – 1948 or 2004 -they were under. As I posted before:

    “Senators and Members, who were paid a salary or allowance for serving as a Minister of State or an office-holder, are entitled to an additional retiring allowance which is calculated as a percentage (based on length of service in that office) of the additional applicable salary in respect of that office.”

    Both Pyne and Bishop were/are on parliamentary salaries of $357,248 pa. Their pensions would depend on their length of service in these offices, any other Ministerial offices they have held during their careers and the length of their ordinary parliamentary service as members. As I understand it, the most they could possibly receive would be 75% of their current base salary, or $267,936 pa, indexed annually.

  29. MatrixTransform

    … and have taken a vow of silence

    I am becalmed just thinking of it

  30. twostix

    Quite rightly. Women have elbowed their way into some men’s sheds so total exclusion is necessary to ensure the Church of the Holy Meat Tray and BYO Esky remains men only.

    That’ll last about four weeks.

    Boomer Aussie men that join things like clubs are so desperate to please their old boiler 60’s feminism poisoned women that they’ll sell their own brothers out for a chance at a pat on the head from their domineering surrogate mummy wife.

  31. OldOzzie

    LIBERAL LEFT DESTROYED PARTY AND WILL PAY
    Andrew Bolt, Blog

    Column

    Andrew Bolt: Liberal Left exits a good start for party

    Malcolm Turnbull gone, Julie Bishop and Kelly O’Dwyer going, and now Christopher Pyne, too. Know what some Liberals call that?

    A good start.

    The election will do the rest. Check Sportsbet’s seat-by-seat odds. They tip that from the ruins of this Morrison Government after the May election will crawl a Liberal party where conservatives will again have the numbers and most of the talent.

    The Liberal Left has destroyed not just the party but itself, and that’s why some of its leaders are now deserting — and slamming the door in fury.

    Take Turnbull, who after losing his leadership last year immediately quit parliament, forcing the Liberals to an unnecessary by-election that he helped to ensure they’d lose.

    Or take Bishop, the former foreign minister, who on Sunday named MPs she says betrayed her in the ballot to replace Turnbull, saying they should have asked: “Who could beat Bill Shorten? … I could.”

    But only 10 of Bishop’s colleagues agreed with her. The other 74 preferred Scott Morrison or Peter Dutton, because many remembered she was better at hurting her own than hurting Labor. As Sunday’s headlines again demonstrate.

    Or take Defence Minister Christopher Pyne, a talented man despite two years ago indiscreetly bragging that the Liberals’ Left was “in the winners’ circle” under Turnbull. Pyne planned to stay if the Liberals looked like winning the election. Quitting now publicly announces they won’t.

    True, some conservative ministers are also quitting: Michael Keenan and Steve Ciobo.

    But in this Liberal party that’s been almost paralysed by division, the Left is losing most, and Sportsbet punters bet they’ll lose even worse in the election.

    Sportsbet is, of course, no sure guide, although Andrew Leigh, economist and Labor’s shadow assistant treasurer, writes in his book The Luck of Politics: “Every time, betting markets have been found to perform at least as well, and usually better than, the polls.”

    This time Sportsbet’s odds in each individual seat suggest the Liberals will lose key conservatives once touted as leadership material, including Dutton, Attorney-General Christian Porter and Health Minister Greg Hunt, as well as warriors such as Michael Sukkar and rising star Nicole Flint.

    To make this huge loss of talent worse, NSW faction bosses dumped Jim Molan to an unwinnable position on the Senate ticket.

    (Note, Hunt could still survive thanks to his deep ties to his electorate, and Dutton has a huge fighting fund.)

    But if this is bad, check the carnage on the Liberal Left.

    The Left has already lost Turnbull, Bishop, O’Dwyer and Pyne to retirement, with fighter Craig Laundy set to follow them and Liberal rat Julia Banks. Sportsbet tips the election will then take out many Liberal Left MPs, including Sarah Henderson, Warren Entsch and minister Ken Wyatt, a conservative on some issues but not the indigenous ones likely to be a battlefield with Labor.

    But it’s when we check who’ll probably survive the election that an even clearer picture emerges. Sportsbet’s odds suggest the conservatives won’t just retain sidelined veterans such as Tony Abbott, Eric Abetz, Kevin Andrews and Connie Fierravanti-Wells, but also the key pillars of this government, Prime Minister Scott Morrison, Treasurer Josh Frydenberg and Finance Minister Mathias Cormann.

    (Yes, I know Morrison is ideologically flighty.)

    Add to them frontbenchers with intellectual grunt, Alan Tudge, Dan Tehan, Zed Seselja and Stuart Robert, plus Angus Taylor, yet to realise his supporters’ hopes.

    Giving conservatives more hope are young MPs of talent and drive: Amanda Stoker, James Paterson, Andrew Hastie and James McGrath.

    Other prominent MPs who backed the disastrous Turnbull experiment could rediscover their buried conservative principles. Think of Communications Minister Mitch Fifield and Senate president Scott Ryan. Hello, Alex Hawke.

    But who on the Liberal Left will survive — once again, if Sportsbet is correct?

    Not many of proven talent. Trade Minister Simon Birmingham is articulate, but Foreign Minister Marise Payne is mute and Environment Minister Melissa Price an embarrassment.

    Tim Wilson is a rising star, but Trent Zimmerman is better at factional deals than persuading the public.

    Julian Leeser, maybe. Jason Falinski is smart, but not yet lost to conservatives.

    I know, this blizzard of names may mean little to you. But to insiders it will suggest the Liberal Left will be smashed in the cataclysm to come.

    That should give the brawling Liberals a chance to finally unite again into something like we saw under John Howard and Robert Menzies — a party that’s conservative at heart but open to liberal (small l) debate and reforms.

    A party its members will recognise.

  32. MatrixTransform

    Policing at its best!

    Again Viktoriastan, we should also consider the possibility that VicPol started the conflagration as a sort of dragnet operation

  33. Arky

    You too Arky.

    ..
    What would make you think I’m not cheerful?
    The only problem is that a conversation on a public forum has an audience and changes how people respond.
    I think Beaugan, despite the nihilism is a good bloke.
    I completely disregard the silly ad homs.
    They are a function of the public but anonymous discussion.

  34. Our Josh bending the truth more than somewhat

    In a recent submission to a House of Representatives inquiry, the Grattan Institute offered the example of a self-funded retiree couple with a $3.2 million super balance, plus their own home, and a $200,000 portfolio of Australian shares.
    “Even drawing $130,000 a year in superannuation income, and $15,000 a year in dividend income, they would report a combined taxable income of just $15,000 and pay no income tax whatsoever.”
    Should households such as these be counted “among the lowest income earners in our community”, as Mr Frydenberg and others in the Government have been doing in their attacks on Labor’s proposed reforms?
    Mr Frydenberg is technically accurate when he says that 80 per cent of those affected by Labor’s plan to scrap cash refunds for excess franking credits are on taxable incomes under $37,000.
    This only tells a small part of the story — and one that is not very useful in determining the real impact of the policy.

    The Treasure’s claim that “many of those accessing negative gearing are people that the public would not necessarily consider rich” was found to be misleading.

    In the case of Labor’s dividend imputation policy, which particularly affects retirees, this omission is particularly glaring, simply because most retirees pay little, if any, tax.
    Furthermore, taxable income often has little to do with wealth, telling us little about the value of assets owned or about various income streams during retirement.
    The conclusion is similar in relation to Labor’s policy to restrict tax concessions for negatively geared investment properties.
    Experts contacted by Fact Check took issue with Mr Frydenberg’s use of taxable income as a proxy for wealth, partly due to the very nature of negative gearing, which is a tax deduction that reduces taxable income.
    A similar conclusion can be reached in relation to Labor’s plan to cut the capital gains tax discount from 50 to 25 per cent (thereby increasing to 75 per cent the portion of the capital gain to be taxed).

    Photo: Shadow Treasurer Chris Bowen addresses reporters alongside Opposition Leader Bill Shorten in March last year. (ABC News: Timothy Swanston)

    Mr Frydenberg accurately points out that more than 60 per cent of taxpayers declaring a capital gain in a given year were on taxable incomes of less than $80,000.
    This too paints a distorted picture because, by referring simply to the number of taxpayers who declared a capital gain, it effectively treats small capital gains (for example, from selling a parcel of shares) in the same way as very large capital gains (for example, from selling an investment property).

    Will Labor’s dividend imputation policy overwhelmingly affect the low paid? The Government’s claim is off the mark.

    More meaningful is the value of capital gains declared by various income groups.
    On this score, as the Fact Check analysis demonstrates, those on higher incomes are overwhelmingly the biggest beneficiaries in both dollar terms and as a proportion of the total.
    Those with a taxable income of $80,000 or less received just 16 per cent of the value of all net capital gains.
    On the other hand, 84 per cent of the total went to those people on taxable incomes of more than $80,000.
    Further, people earning above $250,000 received 56 per cent of the total declared, while those with taxable incomes of $1 million and more received 37 per cent.
    Of course, the Coalition is perfectly entitled to attack Labor over its policies.
    But presenting data fairly — rather than in a way that distorts debate — will allow the public to make informed judgements.

  35. stackja

    twostix
    First they came for the Catholics…

  36. Arky

    You too Arky.

    ..
    What would make you think I’m not cheerful?
    The only problem is that a conversation on a public forum has an audience and changes how people respond.
    I think Beaugan, despite the nihilism is a good bloke. He isn’t a progressive for a start.
    I completely disregard the silly ad homs.
    They are a function of the public but anonymous discussion.

  37. DrBeauGan

    No.
    No argument here either.
    We will leave that as the last word shall we?
    I will leave your next response as the end of it.
    I have things to do.

    Fair enough, Arky. You were quite funny. Well done. Considering your intellectual limitations you did a good job of simulating an argument.

  38. I don’t care about the alleged reasons for sub-incision , I can bet Aboriginals have no idea and that is what really matters.

    “Baldwin Spencer and Frank Gillen, who wrote the world-famous The Native Tribes of Central Australia (1899), believed that the urethral sub-incision of central Australian Aboriginal men was for the purpose of homosexual intercourse.”

    Far more likely that all that rot.

    oh and just to remind JC how much better Aborigines had it over UK farm labourers

    moe on the amazing spiritality of Australian aborigine circumcision practices

  39. Arky

    They are a function of the public but anonymous discussion.

    ..
    And also the fact that he is an arrogant asshat.

  40. None:

    So I am even bracing myself for an outrage at the appeal and the Morrison the cuck (or Shortern the bigger cuck) of refusing an appeal to the High Court.

    I don’t understand that – how can the PM refuse an appeal to the HC?
    Or did I misunderstand?

  41. Jessie

    Continuing on ……….but the idea that there is some unchanging thing, my identity, is a piece of metaphysical bullshit.

    The tautology of Professor Marcia Langton

    There were many Aboriginal people who were so intimidated and did sneak away and pretend to be ‘white.’ They were the ones who sneaked back to take advantage of the miserable ‘benefits’ that came with policy reform in the 1970s. They identified only on paper when they filled in a form. They did not identify as Aboriginal in the community. Many Aboriginal people called them ‘very late identifiers.’ I call them ‘part time Aborigines.’ And the reason is obvious: identifying as Aboriginal is almost certainly likely to lead to being run out school by racists, unemployment and jail. Why would you deliberately choose this as your fate if you didn’t have to, or looked a certain way so that these misfortunes were not visited on you because of the way you look. The statistics tell the story.

    What Andrew Bolt cannot suspect is that is that many Aboriginal people, including myself, are just as cynical and skeptical about all the claims made to ‘Aboriginality’ or, to use the even more modern and meaningless phrase, ‘Indigeneity’, by people raised in relative comfort in the suburbs.

    *not withstanding ABS wonderment of unbelievable ATSI fertility rates (represents an increase of 29% since the 1996 Census), then ABS readjusted thinking to confirm ATSI rates were correct (This growth reflects natural population increase (the excess of births over deaths) and other factors, including improvements in data collection methods and people newly identifying their Indigenous origin in the Census)

    **Bolt and Abbott get a spray

    Indigenous exceptionalism and the constitutional ‘race power’
    Marcia Langton
    Melbourne Writers Festival
    BMW Edge theatre, Federation Square, Melbourne
    26 August, 2012

  42. twostix

    First they came for the Catholics…

    Why yes Anglican protestant establishments have been coming for Catholics for 400 years now.

  43. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Indigenous exceptionalism and the constitutional ‘race power’

    Repeating the old myth, long since debunked, that Aborigines weren’t citizens until the 1967 referendum.

  44. Jessie

    Zulu

    Twisted wire much better for snakes. ALL.

    In my humble experience of snake adventures.

  45. twostix

    First they came for the Catholics…

    In all seriousness though:

    “They” (I presume you mean maoist leftwing bugman goons), don’t need to come for anyone else. Australians protestants laid down without the slightest bit of a fight literally the day the last of the greatest generation went into aged care 15 years ago.

    They themselves can’t believe how little fight was in them.

  46. stackja

    twostix – and leftists want Anglicans in the dock too.

  47. DrBeauGan

    And also the fact that he is an arrogant asshat.

    I prefer self-assured gentleman. Arrogant asshat, like smug prick, has just the faintest whiff of disapproval about it. But I don’t really mind. 😇

  48. twostix

    twostix – and leftists want Anglicans in the dock too.

    Newflash: Anglicans are the left.

    Been inside an Anglican cathedral lately? Don’t trip over the rainbow flags and barbed wire displays inside.

  49. stackja

    twostix I only know a few Protestants they don’t fall for the silliness.

  50. Mark A

    Stimpson J. Cat
    #2949789, posted on March

    I missed your post yesterday about the family uniting against an outside threat.

    Not quite, many instances where one member, belonging to a different ideological group betrayed his/her family, sometimes to disastrous consequences.

  51. None:
    I know of Brave❤️’s from a series of dealings with them in the late 90’s.
    IIRC one of the Board members was from a prominent Brisbane firm.
    We very quickly got to entanglement with the legal fraternity.
    And then we got nowhere – IIRC over half the awards went in legals.
    I told them to sod off when they tried to get me to pay up.
    They still tried to get their half from the refused claim.
    Even piranhas have standards…

  52. MatrixTransform

    Numbnuts lies by omission again.

    Taking 10% or so extra from the very well off wont hurt them much.
    Taking that 10% extra from those who pay little tax (ie low income earners) only further impoverishes them.

    and lets not forget that franked dividends also come from private companies big and small.
    so that would be the govt un-elect planning to put their hand in everybody’s pocket.
    The butcher, baker and candlestick maker.

    Lastly anybody with any super anywhere already has a small benefit from the imputation system.
    It just isnt in their own hands and they havent yet realised that they too will be disadvantaged

    But presenting data fairly — rather than in a way that distorts debate — will allow the public to make informed judgements.

    Hmm, trying to make it sound like the govt un-elec isnt attempting a stealthy control of everybody’s private capital sound exactly like a distorted debate.

  53. DrBeauGan

    Continuing on ……….but the idea that there is some unchanging thing, my identity, is a piece of metaphysical bullshit.

    The tautology of Professor Marcia Langton

    It’s the same metaphysical bullshit that is at the root of all the identifying as a wotsit crap.

  54. stackja

    twostix I have not been inside an Anglican church in about 60 years. Sad how churches have lost their way.

  55. MatrixTransform

    Numbers…should concentrate on publishing actual numbers instead of parroting the opinions of other ideologues

  56. Old School Conservative

    Subincision is simply an old man’s way of subjugating younger, stronger, more virile men.
    Extending the power and dominance role of the older man for a few more years under the guise of culture and tradition.
    At least lions fight for the lead role of the pride.

  57. Stimpson J. Cat

    Can I just say that if Trump doesn’t build the Wall soon I am going to join the Yang Gang.

    He is great.

  58. Snoopy

    Our Josh bending the truth more than somewhat –

    Correct! RMIT ABC Fact Check is taxpayer funded agitprop. No more, no less.

    This is your Josh:

    Josh Gordon is RMIT ABC Fact Check’s Economics and Finance Editor

  59. twostix

    twostix I only know a few Protestants they don’t fall for the silliness.

    But of what consequence are they?

  60. Dr Faustus

    In more Post-Modern news:

    Bill Shorten hits out at government’s ‘hack’ appointments

    “One thing about the Liberal Government is that you can always count on them to look after themselves first, their mates next and then the Australian people,” Senator Wong said.

    Keep this zinger close to hand for the next 10 years.
    Maate…

  61. Snoopy

    Bob doesn’t give a rat’s about the tax policy. He’s on an extremely generous defined benefit pension.

  62. dover_beach

    The convenience of pretending there is an unchanging Beaugy is quite real, but it’s just a convenient fiction. Like pretending that a company is a person.

    Arky’s argument really doesn’t depended upon their being an ‘unchanging’ Beaugy, it simply depends upon there being something identifiable as Beaugy over time, something that is both distinguishable and separable from other persons and things, and the like. This is why the ‘convenient fiction’ line is absurd and a red-herring. It would only be ‘convenient’ if there really was a person called Beaugy, something that was identifiably Beaugy over time, and distinguishable and separable from other persons and things, and the like, and because there really is something called Beaugy it is not a ‘fiction’. The same holds true for juridical persons. They are not ‘convenient fictions’ because they too really do exist over time, act in a coordinated and deliberate manner, and the like, and thereby can enjoy rights and obligations appropriate to such an entity at law. And I use ‘entity’ advisedly as you could substitute ‘entity’ for ‘person’ – and this is the case jurisprudentially – and completely do away with the ambiguity that gives rise to the fallacy that the concept, juridical person/entity, employs a convenient fiction.

  63. stackja

    twostix – voices in the wilderness have been heard in the past. Just need to have faith. Not saying easy.

  64. Neil

    Our Josh bending the truth more than somewhat –

    Anybody who is unemployed and has Telstra shares will be affected by labors dividend policy

  65. struth

    There it is.

    When you look at aboriginal culture, remember it is not one culture.
    Gillen and others studying the central Australian tribes were studying the most wretched of the tribes.

    The deep dark secrets like whistlecocking and initiation scarring was common in those areas and found elsewhere to.

    It’s very hard to have a decent conversation about how they survives, (although barely) and how tough life was for aboriginals in places like Central Australia before European settlement.
    The Kumbaya narrative is not only completely inaccurate, but dead boring.

    To describe a culture so removed from our own is in many respects, just too hard.
    But the truth is stranger than the fiction, and far more interesting.
    Far more interesting.
    If you have lived amongst it, it will test your faith in god, as a Christian.
    That is why those claiming a morality through D&A or just natural humanity tends toward Christian thought, are absolutely wrong, and thousands of years of one type of culture existing, so removed from Christian morality, never changing, proves them to be.

    I’ll paint a little picture of desert clans.
    None were ever found in groups larger than fifteen.
    Semi nomadic hunters and gatherers could support no larger populations on the type of country central Australia had become, and they were thinning as climate dried out in those parts, because guess what, climate in constantly changing.
    They had a very serious law regarding who can be with whom, and it went on name groups, and interestingly, in Central Australia, when this was studied, was found to ensure no one could bed anyone closer than their second cousin.
    I say, bed, because there was no marriage ceremony, they just shacked up as decreed by the old fellas who took the younger wives.
    This led to constant raids on each other for women, as one man could have numerous lubras, while others had none, not being of the right name.
    The men went hunting, the women gathered.
    Long periods without women, produce exactly the same homosexual problems as they do for the mussie cannon fodder excess males, prison populations and as it did for aboriginal Australia.
    Teaming up with a woman was jobs based and small groups of aboriginals found had many small fires, never usually one fire as couples did their own thing when the men were home, unless of course there was a ceremony.
    Usually those ceremonies were taboo for the opposite sex, on pain of death.

    So what do you think whistle cocking really achieved, as it mutilates a penis to as close as a primitive culture could get to a vagina, while just like the dishonesty found in other cultures, including our own, it would never be proclaimed as the reason.

  66. stackja

    Snoopy – how will pensions survive, if ALP really messes up?

  67. struth

    Marcia, you’re white……………………….boo

  68. twostix

    Happy clappers rode high until we found out their high priest at Hillsong was a materialistic pedo (cue if only he could marry! jokes).

    Baptists hide in their non-descript suburban brick buildings trying to be as inoffensive as possible influence nothing and nobody.

    Anglicans are completely without foundation now, Anglicanism was intertwined with the British establishment and now that the British establishment is completely leftwing, athiest and insane they have to somehow pretend that they don’t have to follow.

    The other five thousand atomised protestant cults in every industrial backlot, low density commerical area and school hall in this country are of no consequence to anyone and usually are wierdo cult of personality leaders encouraging Cult of Me congregations.

    The only actual force against poz in this country at this moment is Catholicism which, without coincidence, is where battle after battle is taking place.

  69. Last night at 1009 PM I posted some comments after viewing the full Pell interview. The interview I watched was from SMH and came up after Googling Cardinal Pell full interview.

    If you are interested in the case I strongly recommend watching it. He is totally credible and the Sgt interviewing him misses out some vital questions which if asked should have also resulted in equally incredulous responses. Pell constantly repeats, to clarify, “after mass”, and at one point says that is good for me as makes it more fantastical. I did not count but he does this close to 10 times. His demeanour is calm throughout until the specific abuse is raised when I found his reaction totally credible.

    I saw the comments attributed to the Sgt posted by CL this morning. They are outrageous considering the two major points he missed in the interview. The way he put the allegations to Pell was highly incompetent to say the least. At no point did he raise any words spoken between the boys and Pell. Pell bats away the comment about wine being in his sacristy causing the Sgt to pause to gather his thoughts. He then goes on to say they knew they were in trouble and then straight into the abuse. I repeat, no words alleged to have been spoken by Pell were put to him. It is a mind boggling.

    Whilst there is plenty of discussion about the layout of the cathedral and the procedures etc there is absolutely no discussion about the clothing Pell was wearing. They clarified where the choir sat in cathedral which was not relevant to either of the allegations but did not clarify his Archbishops clothing. A staggering failure on the part of the Sgt. If that question had been asked of Pell I am sure the Sgt wouid not have liked the answer.

    Bear in mind there is a Superintendent sitting next to the Sgt. Detective or Traffic I don’t know. This is one of the most highly sensitive cases VICPOL has ever conducted. A high ranking member of the church with friends in high places. Major pressure due to the Royal Commission etc. VICPOL has to go to Rome to do the interview. You would think they had prepared themselves well but in my view missing out the spoken words and clothing aspects are major deficiencies in the questioning.

    Why only a Sgt ? I don’t know VICPOL procedures but this case was so high profile that you want your best. The Sgt was far from it.

    See also my comments last night about press coverage of the interview itself. Pathetic.

    Hadley has been mentioned and it is the unreasonable reaction of people like him that makes it difficult for people to speak up. Hadley called Pell supporters halwits and clearly evidence is of no consequence if you make a sexual allegation.

    Apologies for repeating myself but feel very strongly about this.

  70. There really is something special about people, who time and time again, argue with others, when when the going gets tough claim, oh you’re stupid, You’re boring, you’re just a middle class housewife, i know a language that no-one else knows, I’m so smart I’ve had the best of really important people etc on their final retreat.

  71. Snoopy

    Stack, don’t worry about Bob. He’ll be fine no matter what happens.

  72. stackja

    BrettW – Thank you. Hadley has no idea about the law.

  73. hzhousewife

    Pell is now being sued in a civil case by the swimming pool boy who had his criminal case dropped by vicpol.

    Funded by all Victorians no doubt?

  74. Boambee John

    Snoopy

    Has Numbers offered any response to your question yesterday about Queensland education quietly transferring transgressing teachers between schools?

    Further question for Numbers.

    In your time as a principal (was it 4 or 5 different schools?) did you ever have a case of a teacher molesting a student? If you did, what action did you take? What action did Queensland education take? Were accused referred to police and charged? Were they sacked? Was compensation paid?

  75. but in my view missing out the spoken words and clothing aspects are major deficiencies in the questioning.

    You are right about both particularly any alleged conversation, what was it some sort of silent movie

    perhaps the accuser hadn’t been able to memorize his lines well enough

    even big as Cardinal Pell is the idea that he could lift and hold up his vestments and control two struggling boys, (particularly in those circumstances) with one hand is farcical.
    No doubt plod assumed that Cardinal Pell wore an alb with side split.
    I’m incredulous as to how often the accuser was allowed to amend his statement.

    And then they went straight back to choir practice as though nothing had happened, like the end of an Enid Blyton story book

  76. Geriatric Mayfly

    Funded by all Victorians no doubt?

    Of course. Is Viv Waller funded from any other source?

  77. thefrollickingmole

    Look everyone its the worlds biggest projector…

    The United States is now headed by someone pathologically incapable of admitting defeat.

    But ‘Illary is nacho President…

    Among the most chilling words uttered this week by Michael Cohen, Donald Trump’s former personal lawyer and fixer, were “given my experience working for Mr Trump I fear that if he loses the election in 2020 that there will never be a peaceful transition of power, and this is why I agreed to appear before you today”.

    Imagine it’s November 2020 and Trump has lost the election. He charges voter fraud, claiming that the “deep state” organized tens of millions of illegal immigrants to vote against him, and says he has an obligation not to step down.

    Only this time he’s already president, with all the powers a president commands.

    In years past, Americans have trusted our system of government enough that we abide by its outcomes even though we may disagree with them. Only once in our history – in 1861 – did enough of us distrust the system so much we succumbed to civil war.

    Republican leaders as well as supreme court justices and civic and religious leaders across the land must be prepared to assert the primacy of our system of government over the will of the man who refuses to lose.

    Bizzaro world stuff.

  78. Snoopy

    Did I hear correctly? Shorten just announced a program of cash grants to women fleeing domestic violence – to be paid by a levy on banks?

  79. Snoopy

    No BJ, but my question was rhetorical.

  80. Cassie of Sydney

    BrettW
    #2950110, posted on March 4, 2019 at 11:57 am”

    Don’t apologise BW…I too feel strongly about this and I am not a Christian. It is a gross miscarriage of justice.

  81. At least muslim women will refuse such aid, interest being haram

  82. lotocoti

    Hadley has no idea about the law.

    No.
    But he has watched Monkey Dust.

  83. Geriatric Mayfly

    Did I hear correctly? Shorten just announced a program of cash grants to women fleeing domestic violence – to be paid by a levy on banks?

    A stampede of grasping females already raising dust on the horizon. Hope it includes lezzos on the run and transgenderites.

  84. dover_beach

    BrettW, do you have a link to the full interview?

  85. Baldrick

    Hadley has no idea about the law.

    Hadley’s career peaked calling the Dapto dogs. He’s an A grade cockhead.

  86. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Did I hear correctly? Shorten just announced a program of cash grants to women fleeing domestic violence – to be paid by a levy on banks?

    Michael Smith is running the story.

  87. Boambee John

    Snoopy
    #2950121, posted on March 4, 2019 at 12:14 pm
    No BJ, but my question was rhetorical.

    My questions are not rhetorical, but I doubt that they will be answered.

  88. Baldrick

    Did I hear correctly? Shorten just announced a program of cash grants to women fleeing domestic violence – to be paid by a levy on banks?

    White cis-gender males need not apply:

    Bill Shorten will offer women fleeing domestic violence cash grants of up to $10,000 to help pay for rent, home security protection, medication and furniture.
    The Labor leader will announce on Monday that if elected, he will offer new escape packages to help women and their children rebuild and escape family violence.
    It’s not just women who will be eligible to apply for the grants.
    It will also be available to children in out-of-home care, youths fleeing violence, temporary visa holders, people from culturally and linguistically diverse backgrounds, and LGBTIQ people.

  89. No franking credit refunds, a DM levy on banks

    Shorten really hates self funded retirees and pensioners

  90. There are various forms of fgm from the utterly horrific as practised by the faithful to small symbolic nicks practised by the more civilised.

    The “small nick” story is a myth propagated as a smokescreen for a barbaric RoP practice.

    If one were to look at the physiology of the female external genitalia, even the ‘small nick’ across the inner labia will have devastating consequences on the female orgasm.
    Trust me on this – I know the issues.

  91. areff

    Question of RAN types and medicos:

    In an exhibit before the child abuse royal commission compiled from a “victim” interview by SANO priest-hunter Doug Smith, featuring in tonight’s 4 Corners, a victim of convicted kid-botherer Michael Glennon (died in prison) asserted:

    -In 84 joined the navy and had a medical test. Was asked by Dr if he had anal sex because had extensive damage to anus. Dr was convinced that he was homosexual.

    -Couldn’t believe that still had signs of trauma 9 years after offence

    Is this credible? Extensive “damage”? Nine years later? Is this typical behaviour in the RAN’s screening of recruits?

    Full statement and correspondence here.

    https://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/sites/default/files/VPOL.3043.007.0350_R.pdf

  92. Again Viktoriastan, we should also consider the possibility that VicPol started the conflagration as a sort of dragnet operation

    I would not be shocked if this was the case.

  93. Snoopy

    On 4Corners tonight, Louise Milligan interviews former VicPol sergeant Doug Smith who was involved in Operation Tethering. Will she ask him why the investigation commenced a year before any complaint against Pell was received by police?

  94. Infidel Tiger

    Anglicans are completely without foundation now, Anglicanism was intertwined with the British establishment and now that the British establishment is completely leftwing, athiest and insane they have to somehow pretend that they don’t have to follow.

    I think this is a fair comment.

    I drifted from the Anglican church almost 30 years ago and whenever I am curious about returning I do a bit of research and find out that they have abandoned hymns for a guitar guy or tend to preach something more fitting with a Fremantle commune.

    It’s so feminine and unappealing to men.

    Is there a traditional Anglican service left in WA?

  95. Arky

    I in ite BG to contact me offline and see if we can work the argument above into something more presentable.

  96. Snoopy

    Frank Elly just loves Bill Shorten’s policy of cash handouts to women claiming to be fleeing domestic violence. Paid for by bank shareholders. In other words, just about everyone with a super fund.

    If Charlene gets back together with Jayden does she have to give the money back?

  97. thefrollickingmole

    areff

    Id assume scarring from tearing??

    Also fistulas and similar could possibly be still occurring.

  98. Carpe Jugulum

    Question of RAN types and medicos:

    In an exhibit before the child abuse royal commission compiled from a “victim” interview by SANO priest-hunter Doug Smith, featuring in tonight’s 4 Corners, a victim of convicted kid-botherer Michael Glennon (died in prison) asserted:

    -In 84 joined the navy and had a medical test. Was asked by Dr if he had anal sex because had extensive damage to anus. Dr was convinced that he was homosexual.

    Rectal examinations were not part of entry or joining medicals , the only way would be if he presented as an outpatient with a specific complaint.

  99. John Constantine

    We accept now that criminals posed as catholic priests, simply to get access to kids and were protected by people posing as catholics who could profit from having a bent priest in their pocket.

    What if there are a few people posing as catholics inside the vatican, simply to get access to millions of dollars in untraced cashflow and billions of dollars in assets?.

    What if Pell was on the trail of auditing these accounts properly?.

    The dodgy money is now safe with the auditor smashed.

    If follow the currency is valid, who profits more from this event?, the all powerful worldwide masonic conspiracy, or the phony catholic moneymen sitting on their ill-gotten hordes.

    Comrades.

  100. Geriatric Mayfly

    If Charlene gets back together with Jayden does she have to give the money back?

    How many has she fled in between? It’s getting complicated.

  101. twostix

    Bill Shorten will offer women fleeing domestic violence cash grants of up to $10,000 to help pay for rent, home security protection, medication and furniture.

    It’s not just women who will be eligible to apply for the grants.
    It will also be available to children in out-of-home care, youths fleeing violence, temporary visa holders, people from culturally and linguistically diverse backgrounds, and LGBTIQ people.

    I once read an interview with a prostitute. They asked her about saddest client that she had, she explained that there was a middle aged white collar family man who used to visit her. What did this man want? Some crazy threesome with a blonde hotty?

    No.

    He wanted to be ironed. She’d set him up like an ironing board, then pretend to iron on him.

    Any white man who votes for Labor after this announcement is that man.

  102. James Allan at Quadrant:

    Anyway, after the customary genuflecting before the gods of ‘gender’ political realities, you’re then be taken through the competing credentials of the two highest-finishing women – the winner, Dr. Katie Allen (described by some as the ‘highly fancied’ candidate, but I think the ambiguity was unintended) and the loser Ms. Zoe McKenzie.

    Good read

  103. John Constantine

    hoard.

    Damn skynet spellcheck.

  104. IT you have one Traditional Anglican parish left

    I think only Sydney refused to ordain women so not much left in mainstream Anglican in Perth
    or this

    ordinariate

  105. dover_beach

    That is gold, twostix.

  106. MatrixTransform

    This is staring to sound like the retarded post-modern Gramscian clap-trap end game.

    Shorten’s push to gather votes by promising to destroy male influence by 3-pronged strategy.

    Policy, Policing, and Prosecution.

    I reckon they think they have the numbers and influence to pull it off.

    give womenz a financial incentive to engage the Polis or the Legals … stand back and watch while it falls to bits.
    Money and influence will flow.

    then shorten will be dispatched by his own.

    Useful Idiot that he is

  107. Ivan Denisovich

    It’s so feminine and unappealing to men.

    Not restricted to the Anglican church, IT:

    The various problems concerning the obvious crisis within clerical ranks often fail to miss a more fundamental crisis — a crisis that is symptomatic of broader Western culture, which has ripped the heart out of the Church and its sense of mission. The real crisis of the clergy is related to homosexuality, but homosexuality is, itself, a contingent outgrowth of the crisis of masculinity in clerical ranks. And masculinity, we are told, is toxic, deadly, and something to be overcome. On the contrary, our decadent civilization needs a return to true masculinity (which is fatherhood), which will also restore authentic femininity (which is motherhood). So does the Church.

    Given the current impotence of the Church, it may be easy to see and criticize a sort of hyper-femininity therein. True femininity has also been corrupted, precisely because femininity and masculinity are dialectically united. Authentic femininity isn’t about compassion without sacrifice, love without rebuke, or openness without willing to learn or listen, as femininity is presented to us today. Our Mother is the shining example of genuine femininity because she is receptive to masculine initiative; she was open to divine fatherhood at the Incarnation and could be seen making sacrifices on behalf of her love for Christ, which led her to the foot of the Cross, where others hid in fear and shame.

    The current feminization of the Church, which inculcates a corrupt femininity because it denies receptivity to true masculinity, only aids and abets in the culture of death sweeping the West and the Church. Fatherhood initiates life. Motherhood, and the Church is mother, receives and gives life. Fatherhood generates and protects life. Motherhood nurtures life to become strong and accepts growth into adulthood rather than vainly trying to retain perpetual infanthood. Masculinity and femininity, fatherhood and motherhood, work together. One needs the other and vice versa.

    God is Father, and as the Catechism rightly states, “divine fatherhood is the source of human fatherhood.” It is this sense of fatherhood that has evaporated in the Church — and with it the call to adventure, protection, and sacrifice. The sense of doing battle has been replaced with the spirit of “compromise,” which is a telltale sign of decline and aversion to struggle and sacrifice.

    The Apostle Paul tells us to put on the armor of God and do battle. Militaristic language runs throughout the Bible and is a root of Catholic identity and tradition for men. Indeed, many of the hagiographic stories of the saints are filled with the call to adventure, confrontation with evil, and waging war against dark spirits………………………..

    When Christ returns, He will do so in flaming glory. He will be wielding the sword of retribution and as the king of the world and just judge of mankind. God has always called men to become men, to embark on adventure, and to do battle against the temptations of the demons. If men will not answer the call, then, like Deborah, St. Catherine of Siena, and St. Hildegard of Bingen, women must rebuke men to be men.

    The de-masculinization of Christianity has touched the clergy and has gravely corrupted and compromised the priestly sacrament that the laity depend on. Rather than men joining its ranks, soft-spoken, sensitive, and spineless boys present themselves, only to receive no growth into manhood. Far from putting on the armor of God; dressing for battle; and wielding the axes, banners, and swords of the Christian struggle, these meek “shepherds” preach the ethos of compromise like the weak boy on the playground………………………………..

    https://onepeterfive.com/crisis-masculinity/

  108. twostix

    Labor don’t want to win.

    Nobody wants to win, the Commonwealth is a zombie institution with no clear nation underpinning it anymore. Whoever wins just suffers for three years for very little gain.

    The real governments are the state governments and that is where the nation’s real battles will (are) being waged now.

  109. feelthebern

    Jon Stewart just gave Trump a big pat on the back.
    He’ll be executed by the left now.
    Apart from twitter, zero coverage.

  110. I agree Ivan

    I parish hopped last year to an Ad orientem, good homilies, the church is a sacred space, no talking and laughing before Mass like people are waiting to see a show, Salve Regina and other proper hymns and a weekly Latin mass.

  111. MatrixTransform

    Broaden the definition of domestic violence to include saying “no” to the missus or raising an eyebrow at cross dressing promotion in primary schools.

    offer cash and open arms.

    then everything is magically better.

    a brand new frontier

    finally change the name to Amazonia (if that hasnt been trade marked)

  112. Ivan Denisovich

    It’s so feminine and unappealing to men.

    BTW, I do wholeheartedly agree. Sadly, I have frequently found mass something to be endured rather than celebrated. The good news for Catholics is that the younger generation of priests are more likely to be orthodox (faithful) and manly.

  113. Makka

    I see Libertarian Senator Paul gets the Dems over the line to rebuke Trump’s National Emergency declaration. Can’t put the open borders lunacy away.

  114. Infidel Tiger

    The church has largely been replaced by CrossFit, Auskick and nippers in middle class society. It’s no coincidence how many family activities now start at 9am on Sunday.

    People still need to “belong”.

  115. Ivan Denisovich

    is more likely….

  116. Stackja:

    Money from who? Pell? If Pell can’t pay?

    Gofundme is the method of rewarding those who play the game the right way.

  117. Percy Popinjay

    It’s not just wymminses who will be eligible to apply for the grants. It will also be available to children in out-of-home care, yooves fleeing violence, temporary visa holders, people from culturally and linguistically diverse backgrounds (i.e. moozleys), and LGBIQWERTY peoples.

    This incoming labor/greenfilth goat rodeo we’re about to blessed with will be the most shameless pillagers of OPM in Australian history. They’ll make Rudd/Gillard and their attendant imbeciles look positively parsimonious – and it will of course end up all being pissed up against the figurative wall, with less than zero to show for it.

  118. Dr Faustus

    Did I hear correctly? Shorten just announced a program of cash grants to women fleeing domestic violence – to be paid by a levy on banks?

    You did hear correctly: Goblin Shorten has announced a Banking Fairness Fund, a hollow log full of free money to be allocated to fund the ALP’s election promises.

    Bill Shorten says money raised from banking fairness fund will provide tailored support packages for families

    “Tailored support” is a euphemism for an infrastructure of politically-reliable service providers and concierges who will be able to craft well-paying jobs out of the initiative.

    Next in line: a fairness levy on multinationals who are ‘not paying their fair share’, and on businesses that dig and delve the land to grow and mine things which, fairly, belong to the people.

  119. The County Court has released the video of the cardinal’s interview …

    Furkin unbelievable.

  120. OldOzzie

    The Army Is No Place For Men

    Over the last few years the questionable policies of Social Justice Warriors/Progressives have become so mainstream and status quo that they have begun to be implemented in the place they probably belong the least – the United States Armed Forces.

    The cornerstones of the psychology of the modern military as we understand it today are self-sacrifice, heroism, machismo etc. The military is a combination of some sort of macho romanticism and destruction of the ego of each individual soldier until they can function only as a cog in the machine, for individual desires and feelings don’t do well during trench warfare. Overcoming one’s feelings and instincts of self-preservation are critical for battle.

    Despite these rather obvious facts the DC bourgeoise is subjecting the troops to things like transgender sensitivity training and making the ROTC march in red women’s high heels to somehow create some sort of understanding with women. Whether this was a show of solidarity or public humiliation depends very much on one’s political leanings. Since there are around 200,000 women already in the US Military who wear the same combat boots as the men, you’d think they could just encourage the men to talk to their female counterparts more often to create solidarity. The ROTC operates on campus but you see the point.

    The biggest philosophical question regarding the future of the American Military may become a reality very soon. For years the fact that only men can be drafted has been a much discussed issue. When abortion rights activists claim that the government has no right to control their bodies, they conveniently ignore the fact that thousands and thousands of men can be conscripted and forced to die if the government sees fit. This sort of discrepancy has not gone unnoticed and now the legal ground work to allow women to be drafted is beginning to come into place. This will be the last barrier in terms of gender discrimination left in the armed forces as women all over NATO are starting to get the chance to go to front line combat in asymmetrical wars which do not have any discernible front lines.

    So the question is can a military function in a genderless Progressive manner where we need to train people to be automaton killing machines and yet be caring for their feelings and tolerant of others while we do so?

  121. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Next in line: a fairness levy on multinationals who are ‘not paying their fair share’, and on businesses that dig and delve the land to grow and mine things which, fairly, belong to the people.

    Death duties – a fairness levy, to stop the big end of town passing on money to their children.

  122. Percy Popinjay

    a Banking Fairness Fund

    So absurd as to be almost surreal. What next, “a Climate Fairness Fund” levied on “ebil polluders”? Oh, wait, that’s already been done.

  123. Leigh Lowe

    Des Deskperson

    #2949974, posted on March 4, 2019 at 9:52 am

    ‘I’ve voted Liberal all my life’ man in the street Johan Hedstrom tells the ABC he will be changing his vote with the forcing NSW elections because climate …

    Hi Alan …

  124. ‘I’ve voted Liberal all my life’

    What what?

    you voted for Axe the Tax?

    pull the other one

  125. Percy Popinjay

    Hi Alan …

    Reminds one of another legendary Hi Alanist, “Liberal Bob”.

  126. areff

    I’d assume scarring from tearing??

    Also fistulas and similar could possibly be still occurring.

    So detailed anal examination (to determine fistulas) is standard for Navy recruit screening? Really?

    I imagine if you had a fistula it wouldn’t be something you’d need someone else to discovery.

    Scarring?

    One imagines that would also require an anal probing to identify.

    Are RAN doctors recruited from the ranks of those aliens who travel billions of miles to waylay people on deserted roads in order to open and explore their postern gates?

  127. Stimpson J. Cat

    He wanted to be ironed. She’d set him up like an ironing board, then pretend to iron on him.

    This had better not be you JC.

  128. Old Lefty

    One thing the 4 Corners teaser makes very clear. VicPol involvement in the Pell case has all along been deliberate and targeted participation in the Left’s culture war against Catholicism, despite the Pius ritual denials.

    Then aht ABC correspondent in Ballarat weighs in with a piece on Catholic grass-roots attitudes devoted exclusively to the views of trendy fifth-columnists who want to abolish the sacraments, tear up the Creed and weclome homos with open (?)arms.

  129. Mother Lode

    -In 84 joined the navy and had a medical test. Was asked by Dr if he had anal sex because had extensive damage to anus. Dr was convinced that he was homosexual.

    Is it possible there is some confusion in relating details of the story?

    It is the navy.

    It might have been just the standard formulaic questioning also covering rum and the lash.

  130. thefrollickingmole

    areff

    Putting my medic hat on…

    It is possible for people to go a long time with small fistulas, after all the arse is supposed to smell and the discharge is embarrassing and put down to leaky bum rather than a medical condition.

    All with the qualifier, i have no idea if this could be from forced sex, Im speculating on what a medic might find remarkable.

  131. Mother Lode

    It is surprising (well, not really) that Shorten’s experience of guys does not alert him to the possibility they are being blanket maligned.

    I am not speaking here about having a blind-spot for a group you are a member of, but there is such a thing as having better insight of a group you are part of. If you want to find out how a farmer acts you ask one. And, alternately, farmers will be able to sniff out BS (even if not in the cattle trade).

    Shorten can listen to men being presented as uniformly and uncontrollably violent without sensing it is not as simple as that.

    Or maybe all the men he hangs out with are wife beaters.

    It is the trade union party, and unionists seem to consider violence an SOP.

  132. max

    Bolt is wrong. The Liberal left is going nowhere. After the election they will be as active as ever, and the subsequent failure to get off the fence when it comes to climate policy will endure. That Bolt sees hope in someone like James Paterson or Tim Wilson says it all. No cut through.

  133. Beachcomber

    The ABC and VicPol gloating about about their victory over conservative enemy Pell.

    The family and police have praised the bravery of the victim who came forward and whose testimony ultimately convicted Pell.

    The victim has asked for his identity to be kept private in the wake of the guilty verdict.

    “He’s a credit to himself and he needs to be congratulated because he’s done a very, very good job at being believed” Sergeant Smith said.

    “And for a jury of his peers to believe him, I mean, it’s fantastic“.

    Yes, it’s fantastic alright, quite fantastic.

  134. Makka

    The Liberal left is going nowhere. After the election they will be as active as ever,

    The hope is that after the election there will be an internecine bloodbath where the LP as we know it will self destruct. What could derail this is a Scummo win. Not looking at all likely atm.

  135. Shorten also puts an extra $10,000 of sugar on the table for anyone arriving and lodging a claim for asylum, whether by boat or plane

    and you can bet there will be a lot more ‘temporary’ visas issued for plane arrivals if Labor gets in

  136. Farmer Gez

    Full police interrogation of Cdl Pell.

    https://www.smh.com.au/video/video-news/video-world-news/george-pells-police-interview-video-full-20190228-5c1li.html

    Still amazed this was allowed to be made public.

    Possibly there are still some people in power who believe in justice.
    The video makes a strong case for Pell’s determined claims of innocence.
    Abbott and Howard do not put their necks on the block without an agenda. It’s quiet in the political sphere at the moment but that doesn’t mean serious questions are not being asked of those involved.
    I live in hope anyway.

  137. BrettW

    Hopefully Shorten will backdate his support package a few months. Perhaps to cover last Boxing Day.

    Mrs John Setka would no doubt appreciate it.

  138. serious questions are not being asked of those involved

    Correct.

  139. Areff:

    Is this credible? Extensive “damage”? Nine years later? Is this typical behaviour in the RAN’s screening of recruits?

    Yes – the scarring stays, especially if you have the Keloid skin type.
    I think the story has confused the damage with the repair mechanism.

  140. Sergant Smith self congratulating for allowing accuser to change his story every time exculpatory evidence came up and providing lots and lots of coaching

    and congratulations also victim advocate magistrates and judges who severely limit what questions defense counsel can ask accusers who must be mollycoddled and protected because they are so very very dramatized oops Freudian slip there

  141. Beachcomber

    Old Lefty
    #2950181, posted on March 4, 2019 at 1:34 pm
    VicPol involvement in the Pell case has all along been deliberate and targeted participation in the Left’s culture war against Catholicism

    Very true except that it’s not all Catholicism that is targeted, just conservative Catholicism, that which resists the Marxist incursions. SJW ‘progressive’ Catholics are praised and protected.

  142. stackja

    What if Lawyer X RC uncovers certain police who handled certain well known people’s cases, they do a deal, does one, get free and the other faces charges.

  143. Tom

    Thanks Gab.

    +1

    Sent to the remembery t0 see how long it lasts before it is purged (like the history of communism).

  144. I wonder how Brennan SJ feels now he is a ‘friend’ of Cardinal Pell?

  145. Carpe Jugulum

    So detailed anal examination (to determine fistulas) is standard for Navy recruit screening? Really?

    No

  146. Diogenes

    I once read an interview with a prostitute. They asked her about saddest client that she had, she explained that there was a middle aged white collar family man who used to visit her. What did this man want? Some crazy threesome with a blonde hotty?
    No.
    He wanted to be ironed. She’d set him up like an ironing board, then pretend to iron on him.

    Many many years ago – early to mid 90s(?) they interviewed the Madame of “A Touch of Class”, she said the saddest client she ever about was a senior public servant who just wanted a slice of buttered toast, a cup of tea, and wake me in 45 minutes – $500 a week this ‘service’ !

  147. In a righteous world with me as a Vik judge and executioner, without fear or favour there would be at least one VikPol employee headed for the block.

    The amazing thing about the ABC transcript is that, clearly, Doogie does not understand what he has done.

    FMD

  148. stackja

    Did a certain Sergant work with Lawyer X?

  149. areff

    Thanks for the medical advice, one and all.

  150. does one, get free and the other faces charges

    Unionists go free, catholics get gaol.

    Got it?

  151. Gab

    Very true except that it’s not all Catholicism that is targeted, just conservative Catholicism, that which resists the Marxist incursions. SJW ‘progressive’ Catholics are praised and protected.

    Very true. The “social justice” coven that comprises most of the clergy and laity, including the Socialist pope, have done away with anything traditional to “move with the modern times”, including, but not limited to, renaming ‘charity’ (or agape love) to ‘social justice’. Marx would be laughing in his grave at all of this.

    On the upside, it has made me seek out the Traditional Latin Mass. What a massive difference to the happy-clappy continual “talking participation” that is the “New Mass”, replete with songs from the 1970s replacing beautiful and meaningful hymns. John Denver and Glen Campbell feature prominently.

  152. BrettW

    I noted the President of the VIC Bar expressed doubts about the evidence / conviction.

    Notafan made a comment about the statements by the main witness. Does anybody know how many he made ? I would think defence counsel should have them. I would guess a few as the detective would keep going back to clarify points as they gathered more witness statements. Remember the police actually stopped taking statements from people present on the two dates in question. Cant have too many people saying how impossible it was.

    I am going to be very interested in seeing the comments by the former Sgt tonight. If he retired at normal age then when he took the statement he was almost at the end of his career. No doubt he celebrated when he “won” the case and is doing so in public. However in private he should be thinking how the hell did we convict on that evidence.

    What I want to know is where are the former detectives, lawyers and judges etc giving their analysis of the evidence by Pell now that we can see full interview.

    I dont care who leaked the interview but very glad they did. However I have yet to see a commentator such as Bolt, Chris Kenny, Alan Jones etc say they have even watched the full interview and give their thoughts.

  153. stackja

    MSM had Wilson ready for prison. Then appeal overturned conviction. MSM forgot the whole thing.

  154. areff

    Did a certain Sergeant work with Lawyer X?

    Perhaps equally relevant: Did a certain judge, lately much in the news, work with the fruits of Lawyer X’s poisoned tree during his days at the DPP?

    Mokbel’s barrister Peter Faris QC told the Victorian Supreme Court on Wednesday the affidavit revelations meant Victoria Police had given him a “fraudulent brief” of evidence against Mokbel.

    “This is really a fraud on the criminal justice system by the Victoria Police,” Mr Faris said.

    Mr Faris asked that, if the affidavits were sworn correctly, why prosecutors couldn’t simply get statements from police saying they were sworn correctly and bring them to court.

    “This attempt by (prosecutor) Mr (Peter) Kidd to shut out any investigation reeks of suspicion,” he said.

    Mr Kidd told the court Mokbel pleaded guilty of his own free will and the strength of the case against him was irrelevant.

    He said at the highest, Mokbel was complaining about a lost opportunity to have evidence excluded.

    “(Mokbel is saying) ‘I didn’t realise I could have some evidence excluded that would weaken the Crown case’. That does not mean that when he pleaded guilty he did not understand what he was doing,” he said.

    Mr Kidd said Mokbel had engaged in a “fishing expedition” and it was a “hopeless” application.

    https://www.sbs.com.au/news/police-guilty-of-justice-fraud-mokbel-s-lawyer

  155. Des Deskperson

    ‘So detailed anal examination (to determine fistulas) is standard for Navy recruit screening? Really?’

    I’ve no idea about the RAN, but in D H Lawrence’s novel ‘Kangaroo’, the hero, Somers, called up, is forced to undergo a humiliating medical exam for the Brutish Amy in WW1. This included looking into and probing his anus.

    Given Lawrence’s chronic conflation of his own experiences with those of his characters, it’s probably true and must have been standard medical exam procedure in the British Army of the day. .

  156. struth

    in my experience, cops are always going to head left.
    They are compliance enforcers after all.
    There was a time when they were there to keep the piece and protect the people, but that was in another world.

    The cops walk past dying people in the streets of Venezuela and don’t see a thing.
    The more socialist a country becomes, the worse the police get.
    We are not seeing anything that should be unexpected.
    The Pell case is a battle for power, as we should be expected.
    Between socialism and Christianity.
    We should neither expect justice or even hope for it.
    Those days are long gone.
    This has nothing to do with abusing children sexually, the left are doing it in our schools with the blessing of socialist government.
    They just paraded it down Sydney streets.

    This is just the increasing rabid-ness of the insane left at it sniffs victory .

    And it was Howard who took our Guns.
    And from that very day, we were going to be screwed.
    And we are.

    Please name me a country that isn’t falling to Socialism once it’s citizens were disarmed?

    It’s happening slower than when socialists have taken over in the past because there was institutions to march through and an education system to corrupt.
    But it is done.

    The temperature was turned up slowly on the western frog.
    It was a combination of deliberate, deceptive evil (numbers) and useful idiots on the left, and people weak of character who desperately require acceptance of their peers.

    From the time even before Malcom took over, when Abbott went MIA for a year, that should have set alarm bells going.
    After all the political capital they had, from the disaster of the RGR years, we should have been rioting in the streets.

    And yet we still have a Liberal party in power.
    The smartest right wing presenter on television still doesn’t get it, and is bewildered at the leftism of the Liberal party, and it’s spineless traitorous, pathetic existence, it’s leader a blokey Teresa May.

    For those of you that wanted to let Labor in to ruin the country, to get it over and done with, you only thought about economics, and not the sickening cultural Marxism that comes with it, that will kill your children, or force them into poverty and squalor.
    This is only the start.
    There is so much more insanity to come, and the worst of it is the insanity and evil.
    A poor nation united in Christ and with community spirit is something that all will learn is much more liveable than the insanity and evil of the left now only starting

  157. stackja

    areff – will a certain judge face prison time?

  158. twostix

    The church has largely been replaced by CrossFit, Auskick and nippers in middle class society. It’s no coincidence how many family activities now start at 9am on Sunday.

    People still need to “belong”.

    The more religiously inclined go to church on Sunday mornings with the ABC and do their daily Bible readings at The Guardian.

  159. Gay people should not join Catholic clergy, Pope Francis says
    No room for ‘fashionable’ homosexuality and gay priests should be ‘impeccably responsible’ or leave

    just in case you missed it

    posted by the Guardian without a running commentary too

    Gay people should not join Catholic clergy, Pope Francis says

  160. thefrollickingmole

    Gruinaid is on a jihad against the past.

    The Killing Times: the massacres of Aboriginal people Australia must confront

    Because the unis are now infested with carefully taught promoters instead of historians we can expect a lot more of “stories my nanna told me” presented as factual.

    Some are inadvertently funny.

    When Glenda met Sandy: descendants of massacre survivor and soldier unite in grief

    Good luck if you can work out which is which from the photo.

  161. I don’t know why permanent ‘damage’ would be surprising

    It’s not designed to be penetrated and no doubt nearly of all of those who have experience, willingly or no. will have scar tissue, or worse.

    Joseph Sciambra mentions a life threatening injury from such activity somewhere on his blog

  162. twostix

    Some are inadvertently funny.

    When Glenda met Sandy: descendants of massacre survivor and soldier unite in grief

    Good luck if you can work out which is which from the photo.

    An entire article and no reason given to the reader as to why the soldiers were sent out by governor Macquarie?

    Yet the Guardian reading class definitely feel themselves to be the utmost well educated and read class of people in society!

  163. Entropy

    Very true. The “social justice” coven that comprises most of the clergy and laity, including the Socialist pope, have done away with anything traditional to “move with the modern times”, including, but not limited to, renaming ‘charity’ (or agape love) to ‘social justice’. Marx would be laughing in his grave at all of this.

    It’s like they learned nothing from the Uniting Church debacle.

    Actually it might also be because most of the priests see their job as social work, and probably don’t actually believe in the big fella upstairs.

  164. bespoke

    Arky’s and DrBeauGan’s bromance reminds me of The Taming of the Shrew but I cant tell who is playing Katherina.

  165. Boambee John

    Will the first Mrs Shorten be getting the $10,000 to help her rebuild her life after the “psychological domestic violence” of being dumped at quarter time at the footy?

  166. Knuckle Dragger

    BrettW,

    Good work and commentary on the p3ll interview. Disclaimer: I have not seen it, but if half the comments by other posters are correct, I’m not sure I want to.

    In a high profile investigation, yes you would generally have one of your best investigators on the job. Given the nature of this ‘investigation’, I would suggest that once any decent detective got a whiff of the job they would have run screaming from it. The better investigators are found in divisional CIB (CIU)s, as well as in specialist squads such as Homicide and Armed Crime. It would seem that Tethering very much attracted the B Team.

    And yes, you would generally pick a D/Sgt to lead the interview because in theory they have the most experience and currency in this particular art (which it is). Unfortunately this one didn’t even seem to have an interview plan, essential for any interview, and was unprepared for GP to deny any offending. Nor did he care to note any exculpatory details given by GP for further follow up – another must-have.

    The commissioned officer was there because of rank, no more. Typically they haven’t seen an angry man, let alone interviewed anyone in years and in normal circumstances wouldn’t have been let anywhere near an interview room.

    As I’ve said previously, this whole thing has ‘wrong’ written all over it in big red letters:

    1. Solicitation of complaints, from anyone, suggesting a predetermined target (‘We’ve just had an RC and must be seen to do something!’);
    2. Shoddy investigative work pre-interview;
    3. The interview itself;
    4. Failure to include exculpatory matters on the brief, which was of such poor quality it was returned by the DPP three times;
    5. The DPP’s decision to charge despite no corroboration, no forensics, a situationally impossible circumstance and the existence of substantial alibi evidence;
    6. The Magistrate’s decision to commit to trial; and
    7. The almost absolute reversal of the jurors’ decision at retrial.

    Something is indeed rotten in the state of Denmark…

  167. BrettW

    Did a Google search on Sergeant Doug Smith. Very interesting case revealed. This time in parliament ! Note the defence counsel. I would say Doug Smith would have issues with Richter just based on this experience alone. His relationship with Pell during the interview was very cordial. Note Bolt also gets a mention.

    This point needs to be highlighted “The magistrate criticized the complainant for “possible coercion” of witnesses and the Victoria Police for “benign acceptance of her allegations without objectivity”, describing the complainant’s evidence as “unreliable” and “concocted”. Doug Smith.

    Courier Mail By Daniel Fogarty
    July 20, 2009 6:47pm
    THE woman who alleges she was raped by Victorian MP Theo Theophanous was found guilty of lying to welfare authorities, a court has heard.
    The woman was placed on a good behaviour bond without conviction in 1994, after taking money that wasn’t owed to her, the court heard.
    The woman alleges Mr Theophanous raped her on a red couch in his parliament house chambers in September 1998.
    Mr Theophanous denies the allegation and is facing a pre-trial committal proceeding in the Melbourne Magistrates’ Court.
    Lead police investigator Detective Sergeant Doug Smith confirmed on Monday the woman was placed on a good behaviour bond on May 26, 1994 on a charge of making a false statement.
    “She told me that there was a misunderstanding in payments made to her and whatever payments she received were paid back,” he said.
    Mr Theophanous’ lawyer Robert Richter QC accused Det Sgt Smith of losing objectivity.
    The court heard the detective and the woman spoke on the telephone for 22 hours in a one-year period and exchanged scores of emails.
    “The fact is this, you believed everything she told you and never sought to find anything that might contradict her,” Mr Richter said.
    Magistrate Peter Reardon also asked whether the detective thought he was “compromised” by the close relationship.
    Det Sgt Smith rejected the suggestions.
    “She was a very vulnerable woman and she needed constant support,” he said.
    During today’s proceedings, statements both Mr Theophanous and the victim made to police were released to the media.
    In an early draft statement the woman made to police she said Mr Theophanous was capable of “violence and foul play”.
    From the MP’s Wikipedia entry :
    In December 2008 Theo Theophanous resigned as a Minister in the Brumby Government as a result of impending court proceedings based on an allegation by a woman living in Greece of an incident of rape 10 years earlier.[20]
    On 24 July 2009, the charge against him was dismissed after the magistrate ruled that ‘the prosecution’s case was not sustainable on the evidence at any level” and that it lacked “credibility, reliability and truthfulness”. The magistrate criticized the complainant for “possible coercion” of witnesses and the Victoria Police for “benign acceptance of her allegations without objectivity”, describing the complainant’s evidence as “unreliable” and “concocted”.[21][22]
    Theophanous subsequently asked the Greek authorities to pursue charges of criminal defamation against the complainant in an Athens court, claiming the woman had concocted the allegation in an attempt to gain financial benefit.[23] The court found the complainant guilty and sentenced her to 3 years jail (suspended).[24] An appeal was filed on October 2010 which was subsequently heard in a superior Athens court, however the original conviction for criminal defamation was upheld albeit with a reduced 2 years sentence.[25]
    Theophanous sought an adjudication from the Australian Press Council in relation to articles published in The Age newspaper which he claimed were false and based in part on an undisclosed conflict of interest by Age journalist Carolyn Webb who was a friend of the complainant.[26] The Australian Press Council upheld the major complaints by Theophanous and their findings were made public on 30 July 2010.[27] The Age newspaper and Victoria Police were subsequently criticized in a full page spread article by Herald Sun columnist Andrew Bolt who bemoaned the presumption of guilt and trial by media in the Theophanous case.[28] This was followed by further critical comment published by the VexNews website.[29]
    Theo Theophanous resigned from Parliament in February 2010 after 22 years of public service.[30]”

    Then from VICPOL web page

    “Royal Commission into Institutional Response to Child Abuse
    The SANO Task Force was established to investigate historic and new allegations that have emanated from the Victorian Parliamentary Inquiry into child sex abuse involving Religious and Non-Government organisations. The task force will also coordinate investigations emerging from the Australian Government Royal Commission into Institutional Responses to Child Sexual Abuse.

    SANO Task Force is based within Victoria Police’s Crime Command and comprises specialist sexual assault detectives. SANO investigators will identify links between offenders and offences through the use of modern, specialist investigation methods.

    SANO investigators are trained experts in sexual assault matters who will maintain the confidentiality of anyone who makes a complaint or wishes to provide information regarding child sexual abuse. Victoria Police are dedicated to accessing justice for victims, whether that is though a full judicial process by going to court or by simply telling their story”.

    Seriously ” trained experts in sexual assault matters”and “modern, specialist investigation methods” but did not ask about his clothing during mass. And also “are dedicated to accessing justice for victims”. Note not justice but justice for the victims. See case above to see how that worked out for the MP.

  168. Farmer Gez

    Very well done BrettW.
    And they say the separation of church and state is important.
    The third estate, enforcement and prosecution also need clear separation.

  169. egg_

    On the sudden retirement of all these Lib rats, follow the money. They retire on a percentage of their final salary. If they are in Opposition, that salary decreases substantially.

    Pyneing for the fee hordes?

  170. Chris

    Pyneing for the fee hordes?

    Customer: Well I’m sorry, but I’m going to have to shoot you.

    Wenslydale: Right-o, sir.

    The customer takes out a gun and shoots the owner.

    Customer: What a *senseless* waste of human life.

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