Open Forum: March 2, 2019

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  1. mh

    There’s a war on for your mind!

  2. Percy Popinjay

    What superficial garbage. Grate work, bimbos.

  3. Armadillo

    The crowd on this thread seem rather “shifty”.

  4. mh

    This is a low energy thread.

    But that’s cool.

  5. Percy Popinjay

    Lightweights. They crave empty achievements while failing to notice their imaginary world is collapsing around them.

    Real “issues”, thanks, peoples.

  6. Percy Popinjay

    One enjoys listening to some stooges, at this time in the evening …

  7. Overburdened

    Badgered into going to an open mic. Told a gorgeous Dutch girl who said she wanted to go. Told her I’d buy her dinner.
    She pulled the plug when it came time to go.
    Booked into accommodation and went to the venue.
    The open mic is off.
    So the wash up- no open mic, no Dutch girl and no instrument to noodle on, so Chinese takeaway/ foxtel in a motel.

  8. Megan

    Waving from small boat on the Nile! Morning all.

  9. zyconoclast

    Group takes compensation fight for Islamic State s3x slaves to Australian court

    London: Women enslaved and abused by Australians who joined Islamic State overseas should be entitled to victims’ compensation payments in Australia, says a British group campaigning for refugee Yazidis.

    The Lotus Flower, a British-based not-for-profit, says it is in the final stages of pressing a compensation claim in a NSW court, which it hopes may set an international precedent.

    In addition, they want the government to confiscate funds frozen under sanctions against IS terrorists and use them to reimburse these women and help restart their shattered lives.

    “The money won’t be a lot for the victims but it is more about their moral standing,” said The Lotus Flower founder Taban Shoresh.

    “It will never take away their pain but we believe compensation will bring them a sense of closure.

  10. C.L.

    Why should Australian taxpayers ‘compensate’ the victims of Muslim terrorists?

  11. zyconoclast

    The non English speaker makes the mistake, so blames the English speaker.
    You know it makes sense.

    Native English speakers are the worlds worst communicators

    It was just one word in one email, but it triggered huge financial losses for a multinational company.

    The message, written in English, was sent by a native speaker to a colleague for whom English was a second language. Unsure of the word, the recipient found two contradictory meanings in his dictionary. He acted on the wrong one.

    Months later, senior management investigated why the project had flopped, costing hundreds of thousands of dollars. “It all traced back to this one word,” says Chia Suan Chong, a UK-based communications skills and intercultural trainer, who didn’t reveal the tricky word because it is highly industry-specific and possibly identifiable. “Things spiralled out of control because both parties were thinking the opposite.”

  12. None

    Exactly C.L.. Why?

    I also didn’t realise that we had such a giant in our midst as Senator John Herron. What a life well lived. We don’t see such men often anymore at least not in public office.

  13. struth

    overburdened, what were you going to do at the open mike?

  14. Top Ender

    Ah-ha!

    Paul Simon and Art Garfunkel in Concert in Central Park.

    Mrs Top Ender has gone to bed in disgust after Den of Thieves, or myself, not sure which. I gave it 2/10.

    Sound system:
    – Panasonic DVD player (yes I know)
    – Vaf front end speakers (impedance 8 ohms)
    – Kenwood 200 watts a side amplifier
    – Vaf 185 watts subwoofer
    – Yamaha back end amplifier 50 watts per channel
    – Bose 101 rear end speakers
    – little tiny NHD mid-fill speaker.

    More volume please!

  15. Infidel Tiger

    nearly two decades that saw him accused of indifference, deception and ultimately evil compliance in the monumental sins of the Catholic Church.

    The tests in these trials are different. The test in the first trial was whether the evidence showed Pell guilty “beyond reasonable doubt” as a sexual predator who abused his authority to brutally exploit two choirboys. There is no test in the second trial — no judge or jury — just the hardening of opinion towards Pell and then his demonisation as the nation’s senior Catholic during the long and climactic revelations of unforgivable sexual abuse within the church.

    The law requires these trials to be separate. Indeed, justice ­depends upon it. Yet how realistic is this? Chief Judge Peter Kidd told the jury: “You mustn’t in any way be influenced by knowledge you might have of childhood sexual abuse in the Catholic Church or cover-ups of abuse in the Catholic Church.”

    It was an entirely proper warning. Yet how can people not be ­influenced by the cultural cataclysm that saw Pell linked with child sexual abuse? Many people held him responsible as the church’s leader. Many people, correctly appalled by the cover-ups and betrayals within the church, said: “Now Pell is on trial he deserves this, he deserves to be punished.” This was a different and enraged form of justice — the justice of retribution.

    RTWT @ The Oz.

    Great column from Paul Kelly.

    As a nation we are truly at a cross road here that will define us.

    Highly interesting the people putting their necks out and those cowering in the corner or reveling in this travesty. There are some noted “conservative” commentators who must pay a price.

  16. None

    Just think about this they have spent 20 years vilifying Pell, smearing him, abusing him, defaming him, mocking him, attempting to trespass during mass of all times and defiling a place of worship ( they would never try that in a mosque) and all they ended up was with a highly dubious accusation by a coward who won’t show his face and who changed his story three times to match the evidence provided by the defence with a highly dubious verdict. And in the end his alleged crime was the highly laughable and totally improbable scenario of an Archbishop in full regalia leaving a professional to run and grab some kid by the balls. Every kid ihas ever given a major wedgie better start preparing for jail time. Who was it that talked about the banality of evil?

  17. None

    Just think about this they have spent 20 years vilifying Pell, smearing him, abusing him, defaming him, mocking him, attempting to trespass during mass of all times and defiling a place of worship ( they would never try that in a mosque) and all they ended up was with a highly dubious accusation by a coward who won’t show his face and who changed his story three times to match the evidence provided by the defence with a highly dubious verdict. And in the end his alleged crime was the highly laughable and totally improbable scenario of an Archbishop in full regalia leaving a processional to run and grab some kid by the b-lls. Every kid ihas ever given a major wedgie better start preparing for jail time. Who was it that talked about the banality of evil? And such was the outrage that on the day his bird it became public and he had to appeat at the sentencing hearing you had a vision of him being jostled by a handful of weirdos and audio of some high pitched screaming queen hyperventilating. No wonder Cardinal Pell is so compelled to pray to this pathetic mob.

  18. struth

    Australia.
    Evil happens when good men do nothing.

  19. None

    I just saw that the two fuckwitted Bimbos that are the Channel 9 Today show refer to George Pell as a convicted paedophile ( no he was neither tried nor convicted for being sexually attracted to childten) and singled out of course John Howard and Tony Abbott for supporting him.

  20. None

    I just saw that the two fuckwitted Bimbos that are the Channel 9 Today show refer to George Pell as a convicted p*******e ( no he was neither tried nor convicted for being sexually attracted to childten) and singled out of course John Howard and Tony Abbott for supporting him.

  21. egg_

    What superficial garbage. Grate work, bimbos.

    Thanks – there are less frivolous freds outside the open fred should one care to contribute.

  22. bespoke

    Trash the place egg_ Tom’s to serious.

  23. Delta A

    there are less frivolous freds outside the open fred

    Excluding the Leyonhjelm thread on greenhouse gas emissions.

  24. bespoke

    Don’t watch this Delta

  25. egg_

    Excluding the Leyonhjelm thread on greenhouse gas emissions.

    We can probably cut Arky some slack – some good contributions all round IMHO.

  26. Buccaneer

    Seems like the professional trolls have moved to Facebook and Twitter. I expect they will be back after the election.

  27. MatrixTransform

    There’s a war on for your mind!

    Yeah well, they’re fighting over something I lost years ago

  28. 1735099

    What superficial garbage. Grate work, bimbos.

    Yep – terrible cartoons today, except perhaps for Chip Bok.

  29. Mater

    Had a reminiscent chuckle as it flew through my Facebook feed.

    Gone are those days.

    Les Patterson discusses Joan Collins with Michael Willesee (1:33)

  30. Entropy

    C.L.
    #2948036, posted on March 2, 2019 at 1:11 am
    Why should Australian taxpayers ‘compensate’ the victims of Muslim terrorists?

    I have noticed this a lot lately. And not just for terrorists. It’s like: something bad happens, and there is a rush to the taxpayer well, sorry I mean guvvermint, to compensate for The Awful.

    Shorten and Katter was at it the other day about all those dead cows in NWQ. “Compensation”

    Thing is, the government isn’t liable. The government didn’t send those idiot women off to sleep with jihadis. The government didn’t send the monsoon to park a low over Queensland. If the government chooses to use taxpayer money to help people, it isn’t compensation, it’s welfare.

  31. jupes

    Yep – terrible cartoons today, except perhaps for Chip Bok.

    Hey fuckwit, any comment on Tel fisking one of your longer posts the other day and finding every single one of at least a dozen points you made to be wrong. Yep 100% success rate of wrongology. 100%!

    And to think you used to teach children. The poor tykes.

  32. Yadizi sex slaves are hardly ‘idiot women’

    Families murdered, dragged off by their captors and sold to the highest bidder.

  33. rickw

    Cue the calls to bring them here.

    There was never a muslim dirt bag that couldn’t be threaded through Australia’s immigration process.

  34. Empire 5:5

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  35. Herodotus

    Daily Telegraph:
    A man has died in hospital five weeks after he was attacked by two dogs at a home he was visiting in Sydney’s west.
    The 40-year-old man suffered multiple bites in the attack at the home in Tregear on January 24 and went into cardiac arrest.

    He had to be resuscitated and received a blood transfusion before being placed in an induced coma and taken to Westmead Hospital in a critical condition.
    He died on Friday afternoon.
    A 39-year-old woman and her 10-year-old daughter were also treated for minor injuries as a result of the attack.
    The dogs, described as American Staffordshire terriers, were surrendered to the council.

    There’s an inexplicable fashion for ugly, chunky dogs which are often involved in attacks.
    There should be a counter-balance, whch might be more liability on the part of owners for financial recompense – then they could weight the wisdom of owning those stupid mutts versus the risk of losing their house and assets.

  36. REX

    Hi y’all

    An Aussie friend sent me this information about the recent resignations in your govt – anyone consider they may be related to what’s coming in USA?

    Please read this thread:

    1. OK heads up. This is VERY interesting.

    We all want to know when the documents subject to POTUS Trump’s 17 September, 2018 will be declassified.

    In the US, most think that a trigger will be release of the Mueller Report and shut down of the SC. True. But it’s worth considering other indicators.

    This comes from an Australian source (extract from email). SPREAD FAR AND WIDE : https://social.quodverum.com/@REX/101675032383523624

  37. The Beer Whisperer

    An Aussie friend sent me this information about the recent resignations in your govt – anyone consider they may be related to what’s coming in USA?

    Don’t know, Rex, but what we do know is that they are not conservatives. Rather, they are utter frauds.

  38. John Constantine

    Once self defence inanimate objects are banned from the hands of proles, the demand for self defence weapons gets pushed out to be met by urban assault dogs.

    Allow stand your ground laws for armed homeowners and assault dog attacks on kids will evaporate.

    Currently the only option to homeowners obeying vikpol orders to flee, cower and beg while handing over their goods, is a pack of urban assault dogs.

    Skinny apex predators don’t like well fed hounds.

    Comrades.

  39. Cassie of Sydney

    “Gab
    #2948087, posted on March 2, 2019 at 7:39 am
    Sign the petition.

    https://www.change.org/p/victorian-appelate-court-there-are-reasonable-doubts-re-the-allegations-against-cardinal-pell-people-need-to-know?signed=true

    Gab, I have signed and will send on to family and friends.

    A good man has been brutally hounded, persecuted, framed and now imprisoned. The vindictiveness, the maliciousness and the hysteria has left me feeling utterly sick over the last few days. I watched those scenes outside the courtroom in Melbourne and I felt I was in a time capsule…..I was suddenly standing outside a courtroom in Alabama or Louisiana in the 1930s and was watching a mob of white people baying for the blood of a black man and waiving nooses in the air. I write as someone who is Jooooish, I am not a Catholic. I have been reminded of stories of the pogroms….when people were whipped into a frenzy to murder J*ws. Like African Americans, we J*ws know a frenzied lynch mob when we see one. I have said to various people over the last few days that this is only the start…..soon they will be coming after you, after me, after anyone who doesn’t prescribe to the current zeitgeist of thought and belief.

    I work with some of Sydney’s top lawyers….most of whom are on the left-side of politics…..all of them are very disturbed by the verdict and all claim he will win on appeal.

    In the meantime we can all pray…..the Christian God is the Jewish God.

    Thanks Gab.

  40. Cassie of Sydney

    Thanks Gab, I have signed and will forward to family and friends.

  41. Baldrick

    An Aussie friend sent me this information about the recent resignations in your govt – anyone consider they may be related to what’s coming in USA?

    Anne, get in here and explain this conspiracy theory nonsense.

  42. Eyrie

    “There’s an inexplicable fashion for ugly, chunky dogs which are often involved in attacks.
    There should be a counter-balance, which might be more liability on the part of owners for financial recompense – then they could weight the wisdom of owning those stupid mutts versus the risk of losing their house and assets.”
    Let’s treat dog owners like gun owners.
    Must have genuine reason to own (government decides on validity and types of dogs allowed)
    Safe storage required (no barking heard outside property where dog is kept – probably the most common cause of environmental degradation in suburbia- any dog on a property barking at passers by in the street is confiscated and euthanised.)
    No dogs except working dogs (genuine reason needed) on rural properties. (There is a huge feral dog problem and interbreeding with dingoes which causes vast losses to agriculture and even threatens the lives of farmers)
    That’s a start.
    Then – owner responsible for any damage caused and if any damage is caused or threatened (attacks on people, other dogs or animals) dog is euthanased without question.
    Owner responsible for recompense. No liability insurance by law. You lose your house car etc AND are charged with a criminal offense, tried found guilty and jailed for a substantial period. If dog causes death, manslaughter with minimum 5 years to be served.
    It is fucking ridiculous that these dangerous and annoying weapons are allowed without proper controls in civilisation.
    An old lady was killed some years ago by a dog not 300 meters from where I live.
    I actually don’t have a problem with well trained and quiet dogs but few are like that and the vast majority of owners are stupid, thoughtless, inconsiderate and careless.

  43. Empire 5:5

    REX
    #2948096, posted on March 2, 2019 at 8:21 am

    Welcome, REX.

    Yes connected. See UK for similar habbenings.

  44. Eyrie

    John Constantine, the idiot fucking Queensland cops tell people worried about their security to get dog and then deny all responsibility (it’s a Council problem, sir).

  45. Empire 5:5

    Clearly Trump learned to speak Korean specifically to deal with North Korea. The New York Times profile from 1984 shows that Trump began thinking of fixing the world in 1969, when his uncle told him about nuclear weapons.

    https://quodverum.com/2019/03/60/it-s-alway-great-to-be-underestimated-.html

  46. Rockdoctor

    Entropy
    #2948081, posted on March 2, 2019 at 7:23 am

    I forgive Katter as NQ is his territory & he will embellish things as a good local member will. Labor however don’t give a s#%@ about NQ, they gifted Lancini Developments & the Unions a Stadium at the expense of a second pipeline from the Burdekin Dam to Townsville and have for years sucked the north dry to pump Brisbane’s largesse.

    I won’t even start on the 20 years of corruption by Queensland Labor we have suffered that burns me that Fitzgerald was silent about or the media won’t go near…

  47. dover_beach

    This was a different and enraged form of justice — the justice of retribution.

    Justice is, properly speaking, retributive. The problem is that the jury have decided to punish an innocent man.

  48. Percy Popinjay

    An Ozzie friend sent me this information about the recent resignations in your govt – anyone consider they may be related to what’s coming in USA?

    It’s times like this I really miss poor ol’ Pol Dot.

  49. Geriatric Mayfly

    probably the most common cause of environmental degradation in suburbia-

    Ditto amplified noise, sometimes mistakenly referred to as music. Cut off their power supply.

  50. Johno

    I have just watched a video with Justin Langer talking about Warner and Smith returning to the side.
    He looks hunted, I have seen that look on unstable people before. The video is on news.coms site.

  51. Entropy

    Do you think anyone gives serious thought to having North Queensland it’s own state, Rockdoctor?

    It would cost them, sure, but at least give denizens control of their own destiny, something they don’t get from a Brisbane and Canberra.

  52. candy

    Signed it, Gab. thanks for putting it up.

  53. Des Deskperson

    The third and fourth episodes of the ‘gritty ABC drama ‘The Heights’ did not disappoint last night, at least in terms of banality.

    ABC writers, directors and actors try very hard indeed try very hard indeed to replicate authentic ‘Aussie’ speech but it still all sounds like it is generated by a computer. The characters are mostly sh*ts, it’s not intentional – we are clearly supposed to empathise – but they are the sort of self-melodramatising people you would hurry away from in real life. It reminds me of the other terrible ABC drama, ‘the Time of Our Lives, where a bunch of inner city jerks were clearly intended to be typical ‘Aussies’. It makes you wonder who ABC types hand about with.

    And because it’s the ABC there has to be a message. The building’s pet Indigenous person – a combination of Gandhi, Mandela and St Francis of Assisi – urged the Irish-Austarlain matriarch to keep her daughter’s abandoned baby because ‘kids have to be brought up by their own mob’. Suck on that, Stolen Generation deniers!

  54. Nick

    Does, how long before we have the honest, hard working Muslim couple who are oppressed by white male bogans?

  55. Percy Popinjay

    Thanks again, Deskie. Making the sacrifices no one else here is capable of.

    BTW, that Foxtel drama set in our beloved national capital commences Monday at 8:30. You may feel inclined to subject yourself to that and then post your observations.

    And no, “I don’t have Foxtel” is not sufficient excuse for missing that televisual feast.

  56. Black Ball

    Des Deskperson, I had the misfortune of watching Bad Mothers last week. Had the usual cheating husband, the gym teacher throwing her taut leg over anything that moved. Then hitting the wine at 4. Wooden acting at best.

  57. Percy Popinjay

    Wooden acting at best.

    Obviously well tutored at the Bryan Brown Academy of the Fence Post Yartz.

  58. 1735099

    Beyond personal spite, so much of the internal warfare within the Coalition seems driven by a blind culture war.

    From Laura Tingle’s piece on Ita Buttrose’s appointment.

  59. Geriatric Mayfly

    Des D which do you think comes first preparatory to the ABC scratching together a ‘drama.’ Assembling the dramatis personae from the sole perspective of diversity. Or accepting a cracking script in which many actors would naturally shine – if asked.

  60. Rockdoctor

    Entropy
    #2948119, posted on March 2, 2019 at 9:14 am

    Point taken. I did think about the “we control our destiny” as voters before I posted. Can’t help stupidity I suppose. Just venting…

  61. Zyconoclast

    Sounds like your run of the mill SJW

    Rejected by football, Foster ponders his next move

    Craig Foster is spent. After nearly three months of spearheading the campaign to save the life of Hakeem al-Araibi, flying between Sydney, Bangkok and Zurich to lobby for his freedom, the former Socceroo has finally hit the wall. Turns out there is a bottom to those seemingly endless reserves of energy.

    Foster looks it, too, as he sips a soy latte at his favourite cafe in Randwick…

    As a player, his unionist tendencies sometimes bothered teammates,…

    Over the last 12 months, Foster’s stocks have risen significantly. It started with his strident defence of Lucy Zelic,…

    Foster has also considered becoming a professional coach, having studied to obtain his Pro Licence and winning rave reviews for his work at junior age levels in NSW in recent years. “I just feel that it’s also restricting,” he says.

    “I’ve thought very deeply about it in the last 18 months, (but) the problem is I can’t advocate for Indigenous Australia, or asylum seekers, or try and encourage policy to take Australia as a country where I want it to go.

    https://www.smh.com.au/sport/soccer/rejected-by-football-foster-ponders-his-next-move-20190301-p5115y.html

  62. Entropy

    It reminds me of the other terrible ABC drama, ‘the Time of Our Lives, where a bunch of inner city jerks were clearly intended to be typical ‘Aussies’. It makes you wonder who ABC types hand about with.

    You have to remember that for the Australian fillip industry, any further from the CBD than Carlton or Ultimo is a foreign land full of lonely, bored housewives and axe murderers. And that is before you leave the city. Beyond that you might as well be on an alien planet and we all know how hard it is to communicate with Aliens.
    As long as the Aliens keep subsidising their lifestyle it’s all good though.

  63. Cassie of Sydney

    “Black Ball
    #2948127, posted on March 2, 2019 at 9:31 am
    Des Deskperson, I had the misfortune of watching Bad Mothers last week. Had the usual cheating husband, the gym teacher throwing her taut leg over anything that moved. Then hitting the wine at 4. Wooden acting at best.”

    This is Australian drama….always cliched, always mediocre and more often than not….always boring.

    However there was a recent exception….I watched The Cry on the ABC…one of the few times that I ever watch the ABC and it was good….probably because it was a co-production with the BBC…..and whilst the BBC has many, many faults it still manages to produce very, very good drama…unlike “their” ABC.

  64. Entropy

    I actually think North Queensland will have to become its own state though. Otherwise the south will strangle you as the other, in a cheap easy way to get city votes,

  65. Rockdoctor

    As for NQ state, was against it for years especially being NSW born but started my education here & other states being an Army brat. Now despite my misgiving about NQ developers & their influences I am warming to the concept…

  66. Percy Popinjay

    Rejected by football, Foster ponders his next move

    The imposter exists in the shadow of one of this country’s most legendary cultural icons.

  67. calli

    And as for “comedy”, let’s not forget the uproariously hilarious, true-to-life “Squinters”.

    Aunty at her finest.

  68. dover_beach

    blind culture war

    Yes, yes, only a foolish observer would imagine that the last 50 years have involved anything that could be called a culture war.

  69. Nick

    “I’ve thought very deeply about it in the last 18 months, (but) the problem is I can’t advocate for Indigenous Australia, or asylum seekers, or try and encourage policy to take Australia as a country where I want it to go.

    He doesn’t mean that he’s not indigenous therefore he shouldn’t speak on their behalf, he means that as he isn’t indigenous, people will complain if he makes a dollar out of indigenous advocacy. Hence the ‘problem’.

  70. Percy Popinjay

    That’s a rather cynical view, Nick.

  71. The Beer Whisperer

    An Ozzie friend sent me this information about the recent resignations in your govt – anyone consider they may be related to what’s coming in USA?

    It’s times like this I really miss poor ol’ Pol Dot.

    Actually, Percy, there is something in it. Downer is up to his silver spoon in espionage against Trump. We know Downer and Bishop at least were enabling donations to the Clinton Foundation.

    The only question is how deep they are in it. Of course conspiracy theories are sometimes extrapolations of known facts, but fall to Occam’s razor.

  72. Nick

    It gets better, Percy:

    Craig Foster is spent. After nearly three months of spearheading the campaign to save the life of Hakeem al-Araibi, flying between Sydney, Bangkok and Zurich to lobby for his freedom, the former Socceroo has finally hit the wall. Turns out there is a bottom to those seemingly endless reserves of energy.

    More like a bottom to attention seeking income earning oppportunities..

  73. Percy Popinjay

    Apologies Beery for not paying the piece any attention. I assumed it was just Annie wandering off the reservation (again).

  74. Nick

    Foster looks it, too, as he sips a soy latte at his favourite cafe in Randwick…

    I have a sneaking suspicion that the journo has a sense of humor and mischief.

  75. Percy Popinjay

    the journo has a sense of humor and mischief

    Or merely stating the bleeding obvious – that people like Foster are beyond parody.

  76. Nick

    It could almost be parody

  77. Myrddin Seren

    He ( Craig ) means:

    Foster has also considered becoming a professional coach,…… “I just feel that it’s also restricting,” he says.

    “I’ve thought very deeply about it in the last 18 months, (but) the problem is I can’t advocate for yadda, yadda, yadda

    He can’t be a key coach AND a strident SJW.

    The league might get upset about him yelling at a tranche of their audience that they are capitalist swine and racist, homo-and-transphobic bigotty bigots, and ‘by the way, look forward to seeing you buy expensive tickets for next week’s game, Bourgeois Running Dog Lackeys’.

    Craig should start a business like – ermmm – Phantasy Phootball – to pay the school fees, and then spend his spare time operating as a vanguard cadre of the Bolshevik Revolution. I am sure that would be novel.

  78. cohenite

    Just following the conversation about the abc and it’s perspective as depicted through it’s bread and butter dramas – that’s salt reduced, organic butter from hand reared cows who are sung to by indigenous choirs and bread made from the most pure natural wheat – and remembering little johnny could have closed these wankers.

  79. calli

    I am sure that would be novel.

    Already been done. Result: abject failure.

    But many…many rakes.

  80. JMH

    However there was a recent exception….I watched The Cry on the ABC…one of the few times that I ever watch the ABC and it was good….probably because it was a co-production with the BBC…..and whilst the BBC has many, many faults it still manages to produce very, very good drama…unlike “their” ABC.

    Cassie, I agree with you. I avoid the ABC at all costs except for the occasional BBC drama but stumbled upon The Cry and stuck with it.

  81. Percy Popinjay

    Louise Milligan hard at work on her next potboiler.

  82. Old School Conservative

    Zyconoclast
    #2948132, posted on March 2, 2019 at 9:37 am
    Sounds like your run of the mill SJW

    Yep.
    Wearing an Amnesty International t-shirt when you bring back the “falsely imprisoned soccer super star” thought the paparazzi throng at the airport will certainly stamp your SJW credentials.

  83. Mick Gold Coast QLD

    “Yes, Australia’s law and enforcement and security agencies have a strong and commendable record. They are, as we all know, among the best in the world at what they do” sayeth Peter Dutton to the National Policing Summit 2018, Canberra, last September.

    No they are not, he was lying. They are demonstrably hopelessly incompetent or irretrievably corrupt or both. This headline in today’s Australian:

    “Accused war criminal Zoran Tadic, who spent 26 years hiding in western Sydney, has fled to Serbia.”

    followed charges filed by Serbian police in January. Our “law and enforcement and security agencies’ ” roneo copy/fax machine must have broken down at about the same time.

    “Welcome to Australia – beautiful one day, full of war criminals the next” offers details of another half dozen of these primitive grubs for whom we currently provide safe harbour.

  84. Old School Conservative

    Re Bad Mothers – is Kertut in the cast?

  85. Geriatric Mayfly

    , organic butter from hand reared cows who are sung to by indigenous choirs

    To get the milk from the hand reared cows, their tiny baby calves have to be stolen from them. Will no one think of the l’ll chill’un?

  86. LNP Insider

    Ok, as reported in the media, Ciobo is trying to promote s staffer of his Carly Abbott for Moncrieff.

    I personally dislike staffers replacing MPs, but in this case it could be the lesser of two evils as moderates are moving for recently resigned LNP women’s president Angie Bell.

    Media are reporting about a Dutton move. This won’t happen.

    Tim Rawlings is also a possibility to run who is an ex Tim Nicholls advisor when he was Treasurer and is now in the private finance sector. He would gave strong support in the localmembership.

    There is a local conservative woman running.

    Gold Coast is one of the more divided areas within the membership. Its more a personality fight between Stuart Roberts and Ciobo. Who Roberts backs will be interesting. Also state MPs Molhoek and Langbroek will have strong influence, but Molhoek will do what Roberts wants though.

    Moderates might fail at installing Bell because outside influence will be resisted. They will need to cut as deal with Roberts – who probably has his own idea about who to run.

    There are going to be alot of fights about state Gold Coast seats. Moncrieff may bring it into the open earlier.

  87. stackja

    No politician will reduce the ABC budget, until enough voters demand it.

  88. stackja

    News cycle moves on: Today’s Sydney Daily Telegraph Pell on page 18, NG on front page.

  89. vlad

    Loui Mili gan today tweets “I’ve had good priests laugh darkly at all those arguments. Heavy robes – they say that’s bunkum.”

    Odd that none of those priests – or anyone else – testified for the prosecution as to the bunkosity. In any case, who are they? Why no names?

    She doesn’t understand the trial process: unlike the ABC and MUP it doesn’t run on hearsay and rumours.

    She also claims the 10-2 story is “fake news”. I suspect she’s peddling it herself there. She loves generalities, bland cover-all phrases and unnamed sources. Typical leftwing journalist.

  90. stackja

    LNP Insider
    #2948164, posted on March 2, 2019 at 10:27 am

    Moderate defined as what?

  91. hzhousewife

    “I’ve thought very deeply about it in the last 18 months, (but) the problem is I can’t advocate for Indigenous Australia, or asylum seekers, or try and encourage policy to take Australia as a country where I want it to go.

    Should apply to the UN then……

  92. Have a post still in “moderation” from 12 hours ago.

    No idea what the problem is but it was about Hadley calling Pell supporters halfwits. By Pell supporters he was clearly invluding those who have doubts about the evidence and Howard and Abbot for standing up for him. Hadley from what I have heard has not actually discussed the evidence itself but is satisfied because a victim should be believed.

    It seems that you are part of the problem and a you know what supporter if you doubt the evidence.

    I don’t consider myself a Pell supporter. However I have serious concerns about the police role and that anybody could be convicted on such evidence.

  93. 1735099

    Its more a personality fight between Stuart Roberts and Ciobo.

    In other words, a catfight between a two-bob huckster and smarmy Steve-who.
    Unedifying…

  94. LNP Insider

    In Queensland it is much looser than Sydney or South Australia. In fact alot younger ones view themselves as either conservative or libertarian. But older moderate figures like the Prentices and Brandis exert patronage and influence on the Libertarians .

    In this contest I can point to Bell being a pro marriage equality lesbian who was supported by Joe Hockey as she rose through the internal ranks.

    Remember Ciobo supported Dutton. Roberts supported Morrison as well as Turnbull vs Abbott. Roberts though sits withthe Alex Hawke group rather than Zimmerman in Canberra.

  95. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Today in the Oz – Cancer’s Cruel Lottery: genomic testing is getting good results but it is limited, often restricted to trial, and is funded for some cancers, depending sometimes even where they are placed in the body, and not for others. People are complaining because some (many?) are being left out:

    The head of Garvan’s cancer division, David Thomas, says its sequencing results are broadly consistent with Brown’s, uncovering useful biomarkers in about 45 per cent of rare cancer patients. But he’s deeply conscious of the ­responsibility of researchers not to give false hope to cancer pat­ients — or to talk down existing treatments.
    “What’s new about this technology where we are doing panels, or what I would call multi-gene tests, is rather than doing those things as a single test, we are doing them in one go,” he tells Inquirer.
    “There are doubtless efficiencies to be had from that and there is future-proofing as well. But … in terms of the message to patients, because some people will quite understandably be desperate to ­interpret this in the most optimistic light or, significantly, they may see it as a cause for grievance, I would say that this is a field which is evolving and not yet laid down in law.

    Widespread genomic testing is very costly. If only people could realise that these wonderful new advances in medical science could be made more readily available across the population, and new and expensive drugs funded far more widely, if we didn’t waste huge amounts of taxpayer funds (the only source of government income, which many people don’t realise) on useless boondoggles to do with fantasy vistas of climate change. Unlike in new medical advances, the proof for a future of cataclysmic anthropogenic global warming requiring the removal of coal fired power from Australia, doesn’t stand up to reasonable scientific analysis. Australians should ask themselves what they prefer, good science or bad? We could have expensive widespread genome testing and some new and effective but costly drugs, or hang onto a flakey theory that depletes our cheap energy and will create economic chaos. You can’t have both.

  96. Geriatric Mayfly

    Loui Mili gan today tweets

    Looks like the Milly & Wally show is back on the road.

  97. 1735099

    Have a post still in “moderation” from 12 hours ago.

    As far as I’m concerned, any post about Pell should go into moderation.
    This incessant wailing and gnashing of teeth is to no purpose. It resembles picking at a scab.
    Nobody posting here knows whether he is guilty or innocent, as nobody posting here (I’m assuming) was on the jury.
    Leave it to the appeal.
    Hopefully the poor bugger will be left in peace if he is exonerated, and kept safe in the clink if not.

  98. stackja

    Carmel Lawrence Born: 2 March 1948 (age 70 years) while Penny died in 1992.

  99. Fleeced

    The stupidity and inanity of US politics atm is something to behold. The latest complaint against the current administration is that tax refunds are lower.

    I’m tempted to laugh at their stupidity (yes, lower tax rates means lower returns), but I fear crazy, cynical shit tactics like this actually work. They shouldn’t, but financial illiteracy and short attention spans combined with a compliant media who is more than willing to talk up “the narative” (ugh), means that tactics like this do actually work.

    I’m starting to think we should just let civilzation collapse and hope the next iteration (if there is one) does a better job.

  100. lotocoti

    It seems that you are part of the problem …

    Listening to his diatribe, I had to wonder how he would view his absolutist position if someone subsequently accused him of shenanigans in the Dapto Dogs dunnies, twenty years ago.

  101. vlad

    Nobody posting here knows whether he is guilty or innocent, as nobody posting here (I’m assuming) was on the jury.

    You mean nobody here was in the sacristy 24-7. Neither was the jury.

  102. 1735099

    Widespread genomic testing is very costly.

    Yes, but it is subsidised for some forms of cancer.
    My wife’s test came back (pretty quickly in two months) saying that she was negative for the brca gene, despite a family history of two other siblings diagnosed, and one dying of the disease.
    This avoided the necessity of further surgery (mastectomy and hysterectomy) which would have followed if it had been positive. The testing has saved money, forgetting about the risks and suffering attached to surgery.
    Testing actually saves money in the washup by preventing mis-diagnoses and informing more useful and targeted treatments.

    You can’t have both.

    You can, and linking money spent on mitigating climate change with treatment of breast cancer is a very long bow indeed.

  103. candy

    Ray Hadley has a livelihood and career to consider, most understandable.

    I guess Bolt and Abbott’s careers etc, family etc will be attacked.
    TA may have lost Warringah over it, as the Labor/Get-Up are pouring tremendous resources into unseating him already, and this will give them lots more to attack him over (ie, support for a p…phlie, you can see that a mile off). And Bolt is used to shocking abuse and had to move house because of it, and just gets on with his job.
    John Howard is given immense respect and in his senior years, so I think he is okay in this scenario.

  104. Black Ball

    The question is why isn’t Craig Foster coaching the Matildas? Has knowledge of the game and is a fierce SJW. Perfectly suited.

  105. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    ‘Rare’ cancers (however defined) are said in this Oz article to be about a third of Australia’s cancer load. With genomic testing there seem to be oddities. Exactly the same type of cancer can at present be differentially funded depending on where it presents in the body, and ability to gain certain treatments or to participate in trials can depend on your address, ie. it is determined administratively not medically. Improvement, sometimes dramatic, in some of the 45% when there is a genetic element, seems to be an avenue worth pursuing with funding for the individuals concerned. Wider testing would find many more.

  106. Notafan

    Of course numbers

    no-one should question the process undertaken by Vicpol, the investigation without victims, the financial incentives offered to accuers, the presentation of allegations too preposterous even for Belinda Wallington, the finding of guilty in relation to a dead person who denied being molested, by anyone, the failure of police to pursue exculpatory evidence the list goes on and on and on

    but shut up because I don’t want it discussed, right

    I’m sure Cardinal Pell is in your prayers you Sunday mass going hypocrite.

  107. stackja

    Fleeced
    #2948183, posted on March 2, 2019 at 10:55 am

    “I’m starting to think we should just let MSM civilzation collapse and hope the next MSM iteration (if there is one) does a better job.” Reminds me of Dan Rather versus individuals sitting at their home computers “in their pajamas.” MSM report one thing, Cats are skeptical. Sinc lets us report the alternative.

  108. Shy Ted

    Craig Foster is spent. After nearly three months of spearheading the campaign to save the life of Hakeem al-Araibi… Foster looks it, too, as he sips a soy latte at his favourite cafe in Randwick… Over the last 12 months, Foster’s stocks have risen significantly. It started with his strident defence of Lucy Zelic,…
    Lucy Zelic is terrible. Soy milk is terrible. Advocating for c-grade muslim footballers is terrible. I challenge any person to watch The World Game, SBS late Mondays, with the sound on. Deaf people not included.

  109. Roger

    Why should Australian taxpayers ‘compensate’ the victims of Muslim terrorists?

    I have every sympathy for those Yazidi women, but it is surely arguable that once those “Australians” pledged loyalty to Islamic State – which was not a “so called” Islamic state but an actual state with all the apparatus of government, from garbage collectors to a substantial treasury funded by oil sales to other states – they had effectively renounced their Australian citizenship (they certainly saw it that way) and certainly none of their actions were carried out in our name. Therefore why should we be deemed responsible for compensation? What about tracking down the IS millions?
    .

  110. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Numbers, my husband Hairy was tested for genetic elements due to his recurrent DVT’s and prostate cancer, in both which there are genetic factors. He was negative for that. We paid for it ourselves as we intend to pay for any special treatments, including experimental ones, he may require for his eye problems and any other health issues, for both of us. Health insurance is very limited in what it covers, as is Medicare. Many people however do require government funding and we are a wealthy enough society to afford that to save lives and reduce morbidity.

    Distribution of government funds across the requirements of the populace, from future infrastructure to present policy allocations, is always a matter of political choice. We are making extraordinarily bad political choices with regard to our energy requirements. Seeing a reduction of wasteful spending here and a possible reallocation to a better scientific program is by no means ‘a long bow’. It could be done tomorrow.

  111. Old School Conservative

    Numbers, I don’t remember your exhortations for the “get Pell” chorus to clam up before the trials. But now a significant number of observers are speaking in his defence before the appeal, you now want silence. What rubbish you write.

  112. egg_

    Des D which do you think comes first preparatory to the ABC scratching together a ‘drama.’ Assembling the dramatis personae from the sole perspective of diversity. Or accepting a cracking script in which many actors would naturally shine – if asked.

    My thoughts exactly, whilst watching last night’s second episode – are these ABC Drama gigs akin to Playschool, except they write the parts around some out-of-work stereotyped actors.
    They went full retard with the Vietnamese guy outing himself as a gay and his sympathising mum.
    Minority gay box ticked – yech.

  113. stackja

    candy
    #2948189, posted on March 2, 2019 at 11:02 am
    Ray Hadley has a livelihood and career to consider, most understandable.

    In my opinion, RH livelihood and career are in jeopardy. Next couple of ratings will show if listeners are gullible.

  114. Tel

    Roger #2948197,
    They are going after Australian taxpayers because the whole world sees us as a soft target.

    At one stage ISIS had plenty of gold, which rumor has it now belongs to the Americans (or at least is in the hands of the Americans, and that’s usually sufficient for ownership when it comes to gold). Compensation can come out of that.

  115. Old School Conservative

    Lizzie, please let Hairy know that he is only allowed to be one eyed during the Rugby World Cup.

  116. egg_

    And as for “comedy”, let’s not forget the uproariously hilarious, true-to-life “Squinters”.

    Anything containing Tim Minchin should surely be titled “Wankers”?

  117. stackja

    UK police investigate transgender pronoun complaints, raising free speech concerns

    LONDON, England, February 11, 2019 (LifeSiteNews) — Members of the public in the United Kingdom are facing investigation by the police and criminal charges if they dare to challenge gender ideology on social media.

    The week before last, Harry Miller, 53, a plant and machinery dealer and married father of four, reported on Twitter that he had been contacted by Humberside Police at his workplace. The police cited a series of 30 tweets which were deemed to be potentially “offensive.” Amongst them was a limerick written by a feminist which questioned whether transgender “women” are biological women.

    Although the police force admitted that no crime had been committed, Police Constable Mansoor Gul informed Miller that his tweets would be officially logged as a “hate incident” and insisted on referring to the “victim,” telling Miller that “we need to check your thinking.”

  118. 1735099

    ability to gain certain treatments or to participate in trials can depend on your address

    That is correct.
    If you live in regional Queensland, the only place radiation therapy is available in the public system is Brisbane.
    There is a chain of privately operated radiation therapy sites in Toowoomba, Rockhampton, and I think Cairns, but one week’s treatment costs $4000 plus. The medicare rebate helps, but it’s still expensive. In theory, we could go to Brisbane and access the public system for the 16 days (treatment is daily), but we’d have to arrange accommodation, pet care etc, and our local commitments would go by the wayside.
    God help anyone living out along the Warrego (Roma, Charleville) and further west (Cunnamulla, Quilpie, Thargomindah).
    The private centres are doing very nicely, thank you, and my cynical side wonders whether it’s a cosy quasi private -public arrangement that absolves the state government of spending taxpayers’ money on setting up the expensive infrastructure in regional centres.
    I’m not sure what happens interstate.

  119. Cassie of Sydney

    “Roger
    #2948197, posted on March 2, 2019 at 11:10 am
    Why should Australian taxpayers ‘compensate’ the victims of Muslim terrorists?”

    Why can’t we bring every Yazidi here to Oz….they will enrich our society and that would be the best compensation….and for every Yazidi brought here to Australia….we should send back every stinking Wahabist and Salafist living in this country…that will empty out whole suburbs such as Bankstown and Lakemba.

  120. candy

    In my opinion, RH livelihood and career are in jeopardy. Next couple of ratings will show if listeners are gullible.
    stackja, he had that problem with his son, too. Probably did not want to bring more trouble down on his head.

  121. egg_

    If you live in regional Queensland

    That’s yer problem, right there.

  122. Confused Old Misfit

    to take Australia as a country where I want it to go.

    Scare quote. (emphasis added).
    Hasn’t considered anyone else.

  123. Farmer Gez

    I’m sure Cardinal Pell is in your prayers you Sunday mass going hypocrite.

    I was raised a Catholic and I jokingly say it made me an atheist, but I have never been so incensed at the injustice handed down on Pell and the wicked games played by the ABC and idiots like Hinch, who bait the mob and then revel in the carnage of our legal institutions.

  124. Tel

    The private centres are doing very nicely, thank you, and my cynical side wonders whether it’s a cosy quasi private -public arrangement that absolves the state government of spending taxpayers’ money on setting up the expensive infrastructure in regional centres.

    If you were setting up a private business, would you put it right alongside a government enterprise that sells the same product (with nearly infinite taxpayer backing), or would you aim to cover an area where no one else is selling that product? Seems like a no-brainer.

  125. Mother Lode

    Nota,

    Numbers makes me think of the various characters people like Stalin would raise up for their sheer cruelty, calculation and coldness. Methodically eradicating the enemies of the state – as determined by the leader alone.

    They would be blindly loyal and steadfast, grateful for the chance he gave them to exercise their vicious talents.

    Right up until those last confusing hours when they themselves were hauled from their beds to a dank cell where they pleaded with their guards to pass on a message to the leader that a terrible mistake had been made – certain that when he heard he would fly to the defence of his most loyal servant.

    And this mounting conviction would reach fever pitch in a white tiled cellar with a single buzzing light bulb and single black-encrusted drain in the middle of the floor.

    But in reality Numbers’ lacks the talents, and even his malice is blind and stunted.

  126. Fleeced

    Lucy Zelic is terrible. Soy milk is terrible. Advocating for c-grade muslim footballers is terrible.

    That reminds me of one of the more hysterical parts of the Alex Jones/Joe Rogan podcast – where they mentioned the “brain worm” – the toxoplasmosis parasite – that causes mental illness (crazy cat ladies, violent men, etc). They reported a correlation between infection rates and successful soccer players.

  127. OldOzzie

    calli
    #2948138, posted on March 2, 2019 at 9:43 am

    And as for “comedy”, let’s not forget the uproariously hilarious, true-to-life “Squinters”.

    Aunty at her finest.

    calli – you need to add “Aunty Jack”“watch this! or I’ll rip yer bloody arms off!”

  128. Confused Old Misfit

    Why can’t we bring every Yazidi here to Oz….they will enrich our society and that would be the best compensation….and for every Yazidi brought here to Australia….we should send back every stinking Wahabist and Salafist living in this country…that will empty out whole suburbs such as Bankstown and Lakemba.

    I’m sympathetic to the idea. Specially the penultimate clause.
    The Yazidi are no more highly developed than the average in the cultures from which they come.
    They are mostly peasants.
    Nevertheless, my impression is that they keep their beliefs to themselves and are for more likely to integrate than your “stinking Wahabist and Salafist”.

  129. Roger

    They are going after Australian taxpayers because the whole world sees us as a soft target.

    No doubt.

  130. Infidel Tiger

    candy
    #2948189, posted on March 2, 2019 at 11:02 am
    Ray Hadley has a livelihood and career to consider, most understandable.

    After listening to Hadley it is not hard to understand why his wife left him to start having sex with far more vigorous younger men and why his son is a mentally unstable drug addict and crooked cop.

    A terrible man.

  131. Cassie of Sydney

    “Tel
    #2948218, posted on March 2, 2019 at 11:25 am
    Seems like a no-brainer.”

    The thing is Tel…he doesn’t have a brain.

  132. Shy Ted

    Astonishing moment on ABC RN this morning, the Pretentious Laughter Show (Geraldine Doogue). She apologized for lying about coal mines. Missed what she actually said but several texts pulled her up and she conceded “a lot are being built around the world”. I expect she’ll need therapy after that. Followed by Jonathan Green’ Blueprint for Living in which he “gets a glimpse at the world of haute couture and nineteenth century Parisian fashion, including Coco Chanel’s little black dress and the surrealist frocks of Elsa Schiaparelli.”
    If I ever end up doing that for a job will you please shoot me?

  133. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    You can ‘mitigate climate change’ by throwing a virgin into a volcano too, Numbers, because it would have exactly the same result as current ‘mitigation’ policies world-wide, and particularly, in Australia. Zilch. So it is fortunate that the strongest indications are that climatic variations are natural phenomena rather than caused by any anthropogenic processes of CO2 production. Were such anthropogenic processes ever to be clearly proven, which on the current shaky indicators and theoretical weakness I very much doubt, then I would be in there barracking for worldwide nuclear energy as the only reasonable solution. Still, I guess ‘not proven’ is hardly a popular sentiment given today’s culture of the left.

    As a Catholic, Numbers, I hope you are praying for Cardinal Pell.
    Another case of a blind refusal to look skeptically at what is presented as ‘evidence’.

  134. stackja

    candy
    #2948214, posted on March 2, 2019 at 11:21 am

    I can sympathise with RH’s son. RH should be more sympathetic toward others.

  135. bespoke

    Eyrie
    #2948106, posted on March 2, 2019 at 8:48 am

    Let’s treat dog owners like gun owners.
    Must have genuine reason to own (government decides on validity and types of dogs allowed)
    Safe storage required (no barking heard outside property where dog is kept – probably the most common cause of environmental degradation in suburbia- any dog on a property barking at passers by in the street is confiscated and euthanised.)
    No dogs except working dogs (genuine reason needed) on rural properties. (There is a huge feral dog problem and interbreeding with dingoes which causes vast losses to agriculture and even threatens the lives of farmers)
    That’s a start.

    Crap! Eyrie never thought you would go all big government authoritarian.

    Then – owner responsible for any damage caused and if any damage is caused or threatened (attacks on people, other dogs or animals) dog is euthanased without question.
    Owner responsible for recompense. No liability insurance by law. You lose your house car etc AND are charged with a criminal offense, tried found guilty and jailed for a substantial period. If dog causes death, manslaughter with minimum 5 years to be served.

    Fare enough

    It is fucking ridiculous that these dangerous and annoying weapons are allowed without proper controls in civilisation.

    Sigh!!

  136. Roger

    …we should send back every stinking Wahabist and Salafist living in this country

    We don’t need an excuse to do that, we should be doing it on principle.

    That’s Popper’s paradox of tolerance in action.

    Alas, most of our “leaders” do not appear to regard our society as worth defending, or at least their inaction suggests this. I suspect what it boils down to is a lack of courage.

  137. stackja

    Man dies five weeks after dog attack
    The Daily Telegraph
    March 2, 2019 9:37am
    Subscriber only

    A man has died in hospital five weeks after he was attacked by two dogs at a home he was visiting in Sydney’s west.

    The 40-year-old man suffered multiple bites in the attack at the home in Tregear on January 24 and went into cardiac arrest.

    He had injuries to his ears, face, abdomen and chest.

    The man had to be resuscitated and received a blood transfusion before being placed in an induced coma and taken to Westmead Hospital in a critical condition. He died on Friday afternoon.

    A 39-year-old woman and her 10-year-old daughter were treated for minor injuries after they were also bitten.

  138. OldOzzie

    Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
    #2948177, posted on March 2, 2019 at 10:47 am

    Today in the Oz – Cancer’s Cruel Lottery: genomic testing is getting good results but it is limited, often restricted to trial

    Lizzie,

    thanks for that, as someone who in the last week has had the bad news that previous savage surgery, subsequent Chemo has not worked, with the option offered of even more drastic surgery, which scared the pants off me, that sounds interesting, and I have, hopefully. option of immunotherapy trial which should be finalised in next week and half

  139. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Blueprint for Living in which he “gets a glimpse at the world of haute couture and nineteenth century Parisian fashion, including Coco Chanel’s little black dress and the surrealist frocks of Elsa Schiaparelli.”
    If I ever end up doing that for a job will you please shoot me?

    I take it over, Shy Ted. I don’t mind doing a women’s page.
    Women’s stuff for women, I say. 🙂

  140. stackja

    Pell agitates for freedom Daily Telegraph ‎Saturday, ‎2 ‎March ‎2019 page 18
    Claims verdict is ‘unreasonable’
    REBEKAH CAVANAGH & ANEEKA SIMONIS

    GEORGE Pell is arguing that his conviction should be thrown out or he face a retrial over historic sexual abuse because the jury never heard him say his plea of not guilty.

    The disgraced Vatican cleric has filed an application for leave to appeal with the Court of Appeal outlining three grounds on which he wishes to fight.

    The document claims there was a “fundamental irregularity” in the trial process because Pell, 77, was not arraigned, as required, in the presence of the jury panel.

    It also claims the verdicts were “unreasonable” based on the evidence, including “unchallenged exculpatory evidence from more than 20 Crown witnesses”.

    “It was not open to the jury to be satisfied beyond reasonable doubt on the word of the complainant alone,” the application, filed on behalf of Pell by Melbourne lawyer Paul Galbally on February 21, said.

    It also claimed County Court chief judge Peter Kidd “erred by preventing the defence from using a moving visual representation” during its closing address.

    The audiovisual presentation, which showed the floor plan of the cathedral and the number of people coming and going after mass, they say, backed its argument that it was impossible for Pell to have committed the crimes.

    It comes as The Daily Telegraph can reveal prison doctors are pushing for Pell’s immediate relocation from Melbourne Assessment Prison (MAP) so he can get better medical treatment.

    A prison insider revealed staff who assessed the fallen cardinal on his arrival to MAP on Wednesday want him moved to a prison with better medical facilities due to his “chronic health issues”.

    “The doctor who saw him wants him moved on as soon as possible,” the insider said. .

    Pell suffers from a heart condition and had double knee surgery late last year.

    In December last year, a jury found Pell guilty of one count of sexual penetration of a child under 16 and four of an indecent act with a child under 16.

  141. Notafan

    Nevertheless, my impression is that they keep their beliefs to themselves and are for more likely to integrate than your “stinking Wahabist and Salafist”.

    Yadizi survived by holding themselves aloof from the dominant culture, they are renowned for honour killings as well

    Woe betide the young women that want out.

  142. calli

    Chanel and Schiaparelli were nineteenth century Parisian fashion icons? Who knew?

  143. Black Ball

    Finals action in pennant bowls today. Will be 39 so refreshments will need to be maintained, having a painkiller now in the form of a beer. Cannot take alcohol to your rink. All divisions at Kerang so good crowd will be in attendance also. Armadillo get here!

  144. stackja

    Liberty Quote
    The taxpayer; that’s someone who works for the federal government, but doesn’t have to take a civil service examination.

    — Ronald Reagan

  145. egg_

    Blueprint for Living in which he “gets a glimpse at the world of haute couture and nineteenth century Parisian fashion, including Coco Chanel’s little black dress and the surrealist frocks of Elsa Schiaparelli.”
    If I ever end up doing that for a job will you please shoot me?

    I nominate Tim Blair.
    Is there an interpretive dance version?

  146. Dr Fred Lenin

    An idea for the coming election ,put the sitting member last on the ballot paper,stone motherless last, just imagine the turmoil if many people did this ? They certainly deserve to have their “careers “destroyed the way they have all contributed to the ruination of the best country in the world . The new crowd will still be run by sir humphrey and his mates ,give them their three years of glory ,then next election vote them all out . In that election put anyone who has in parliament before second last .keep them out, no more career politicians . That would destroy the gangs. Oops sorry parties ,make politics an uncertain place for any careerist . Gradually we could diminish their powers ,make the job a 1 year contract part time job with no super or pensions and performance based. Salaries with minimal perks .” That ‘ll larn the varmints “

  147. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Good luck, OldOzzie. It’s great that you have been accepted for a trial. Stayin’ alive is a bit of a journey as the clock ticks on, but we all hope to put Old in front of our moniker some day. Beats the alternative, as my practical medico Big Sis says. You’re doing well, and I really do believe that attitude has something to do with success, in health as in life. Treat yourself to a copy of the Weekend Oz if you don’t subscribe as there are stories of hope in that article too.

  148. Confused Old Misfit

    With respect to vicious dogs.
    The owner of an animal that attacks a human should be charged with assault as if they, the owner, had committed the offense in their own person.

  149. calli

    Why do I get a niggling suspicion that the powers-that-be might like Pell to perish in prison before the sh*t hits the fan?

  150. stackja

    Australian ex-bikie boss ‘blown up’ in Mercedes in Athens
    Ellen Whinnett in Europe, European Correspondent, News Corp Australia Network
    an hour ago
    Subscriber only

    Exclusive: Exiled Australian bikie boss Amad “Jay’’ Malkoun was blown up in a car bomb as he left the same gym in suburban Athens used by murdered Sydney gangster John Macris.

    Malkoun, 56, was seriously injured when his white Mercedes exploded as he left the Mega Gym in Glyfada, an upscale seaside neighbourhood south of Athens.

    The gym on Vouliagmenis Avenue is the same one frequented by Macris, 46, who was shot dead as he climbed into his car in Voula, the neighbouring suburb, on October 31.

    The bomb, thought to have been an improved explosive device, was so forceful it shattered windows in neighbouring building and set three other cars alight.

    The hits on two Australian criminal identities just 1.5km and four months apart have rattled authorities in Greece, who have been unable to solve Macris’ murder.

  151. OldOzzie

    calli
    #2948239, posted on March 2, 2019 at 11:40 am

    Chanel and Schiaparelli were nineteenth century Parisian fashion icons? Who knew?

    I always liked my wife wearing Australian Norma Tullo’s</strong> creations

  152. egg_

    Chanel and Schiaparelli were nineteenth century Parisian fashion icons?

    Green’s brain’s foxed?

  153. Anne

    Pope Francis
    @Pontifex

    In order to pray well, we need to have the heart of a child.

    I’m guessing he’s praying to Lucifer.

  154. stackja

    The Life and “Crimes” of Cardinal Jozsef Mindszenty

    A long list of charges had been carefully concocted — lies made to seem logical. His accusers twisted his words, took them out of context and used forgery to produce documents of confession that they said he had signed.

    Every night he was beaten. At daybreak, dressed in clown clothes, he was taken for questioning. For a time he was strong — some say obstinate — and he would not “cooperate.” He ate little because he knew the food contained mind-altering drugs, and if in exhaustion he began to doze, he was prodded awake.

    In February 1949, body and mind broken, Cardinal Mindszenty underwent what he later called a “show trial.” The truth was never sought. He was accused of more than 40 “crimes,” the most notable of which were foreign-currency abuses (yes. he had sought American intervention for his people and for the Church’s monetary holdings), sabotage of Hungarian land reform (yes, he had tried to help his people keep their land and their churches), and conspiracy with the Hapsburgs (yes, he had spoken against the Communist People’s Party).

    “I am guilty on principle and in detail of most of the accusations made,” the cardinal said shakily. He disowned the disavowal he had written earlier. When asked why he wrote it, he answered feebly, “I didn’t see certain things as I see them now.”

    This was not the voice of the strong man who had been arrested. It was obvious he had undergone unspeakable torture.

    The prosecutor’s summation stated that Cardinal Mindszenty had confessed to inciting “the American imperialists to declare war on our country.” He was falsely found guilty of treason.

    Although that crime called for hanging, instead he was sentenced to life imprisonment. The government didn’t want him seen as a martyr or hero of freedom.

    The verdict and sentence were heard around the free world. It wasn’t just the Hungarians — who saw him as “their priest” — who were horrified, but people in Western Europe and the United States as well.

    Pope Pius XII called Cardinal Mindszenty’s arrest a “serious outrage which inflicts a deep wound . . . on every upholder of the dignity and liberty of man.” He defended the cardinal’s right to oppose the government when it contradicted “divine and human rights.” The Vatican called for Catholics everywhere to fight against a “pathological” system that flagrantly abuses human rights.

  155. stackja

    The Calvary of Hungary’s Cardinal Mindszenty

    The dauntless priest, who so infuriated the Kremlin, became the bishop of a small diocese in 1944. When he repeatedly opposed the German occupation of his country, he was jailed by the Nazis in November 1944. When Hitler withdrew his forces from Hungary in April 1945, Mindszenty regained his freedom. In August of the same year, the Vatican appointed the courageous prelate archbishop of Esztergom, and primate of the Catholic Church in Hungary. In February 1945, he was named a cardinal.

    The victorious Red Army generals willingly approved his appointment, thinking that everybody who opposed Hitler, would or should favor Stalin. They did not realize that this strong-willed priest dedicated his life to serve God alone, and not some atheist dictators.

    When the Kremlin-inspired persecution of the Hungarian Church began, Cardinal Mindszenty fought back. The country’s Communist government could not tolerate the prelate’s strong and quite effective opposition.

    On Christmas Eve of 1948, he was arrested and tried by a KGB-style kangaroo court as a traitor and a U.S. spy. They sentenced him to life imprisonment.

    Even during the trial, it was known in the West that the handwritten “documents” used as evidence against him were forgeries. They were fabricated by a handwriting expert, Lazzlo Sulner, who during the trial fled to Vienna and confessed his fraud.

  156. Geriatric Mayfly

    Those vicious dogs are hardly kept by the owners as either pets or companion animals. Often they are just an outward extension of the personality who keeps them. The only things the dog is missing are tatts, piercings, a Centrelink number and the ability to articulate ‘Fuck off.’

  157. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Chanel and Schiaparelli were nineteenth century Parisian fashion icons? Who knew?

    Yes. It’s a bit of a leap, isn’t it? Poorly expressed at least. Fashion itself is a fascinating topic though. Why we dress up, and how we do it. Periods when men are peacocks and when they are drabs. Bewigged and bewildered? The contorting of the female form into certain fetishes, such as emphasis on bustle (bum) or corsets (waistline) and double pointy 50’s bras (boobs). Don’t know how the late nineteenth century women’s leg-of-mutton sleeves fit into the ‘fetish’ interpretation.

    Will Jonathan Green have a take on that? 🙂

  158. Fred Lenin, few things more pleasant than watching ministers and opposition shadow ministers losing their seats.

  159. Is the rash of resignations simply due to the change in parliamentary pension rules?

  160. OldOzzie

    Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
    #2948244, posted on March 2, 2019 at 11:43 am

    Good luck, OldOzzie

    Treat yourself to a copy of the Weekend Oz if you don’t subscribe as there are stories of hope in that article too.

    Thanks Lizzie – as an IT Nerd, I read The OZ online every day

    I have to say over the last 4 Years, I have been fantastically looked after by the Australian Medical System – the Hospitals, Specialists, Doctors, Nurses have all been superb and concerned with my well being.

    And you are right – being positive and enjoying life is what it is about – have treated myself to 3 day F1 GP Melbourne Paddock Club Premium Lounge Pass (which turns out to be the Bentley Suite) next week – thankfully being optimistic, I booked last August as they are Sold Out on that Pass

  161. stackja

    mh
    #2948248, posted on March 2, 2019 at 11:44 am
    Bitter cold blankets Southern California, with a new storm just around the corner

    Dems climate policy says warming!

  162. Farmer Gez

    Why do I get a niggling suspicion that the powers-that-be might like Pell to perish in prison before the sh*t hits the fan?

    Ditto from me Calli.
    I hope he lives till a hundred so we can do the haters slowly.

  163. Not Uh oh

    Black Ball
    #2948240, posted on March 2, 2019 at 11:41 am
    Finals action in pennant bowls today.

    Don’t quite understand why you’d be playing Pennants during summer. NSW season kicks off next Saturday; much more civilised. All the best for today though.

  164. Confused Old Misfit

    Those vicious dogs are hardly kept by the owners as either pets or companion animals. Often they are just an outward extension of the personality who keeps them. The only things the dog is missing are tatts, piercings, a Centrelink number and the ability to articulate ‘Fuck off.’

    All of which is ample justification for charging/arresting/convicting the owner as if they had, in their own person, committed the offense.

  165. Elle

    Lizzie,

    thanks for that, as someone who in the last week has had the bad news that previous savage surgery, subsequent Chemo has not worked, with the option offered of even more drastic surgery, which scared the pants off me, that sounds interesting, and I have, hopefully. option of immunotherapy trial which should be finalised in next week and half

    OldOzzie,
    I had noticed your absence.
    My thoughts and prayers are with you.
    🙏

  166. cohenite

    If only people could realise that these wonderful new advances in medical science could be made more readily available across the population, and new and expensive drugs funded far more widely, if we didn’t waste huge amounts of taxpayer funds (the only source of government income, which many people don’t realise) on useless boondoggles to do with fantasy vistas of climate change. Unlike in new medical advances, the proof for a future of cataclysmic anthropogenic global warming requiring the removal of coal fired power from Australia, doesn’t stand up to reasonable scientific analysis. Australians should ask themselves what they prefer, good science or bad? We could have expensive widespread genome testing and some new and effective but costly drugs, or hang onto a flakey theory that depletes our cheap energy and will create economic chaos. You can’t have both.

    Well said; and I note the deplorable numbers says you can have both; you can’t; opportunity cost is a foundation of real economics as opposed to socialist shit economics which always ends in Venezuela.

    The world has spent over $2trillion on alarmism and its mutant solution, renewables and spawned disgusting things like cortez and figueres; that money would have built about 500 HELE power stations and powered the world, or put a permanent Moon base in operation, or maybe cured cancer.

    Alarmists should be stripped naked and flung into the Simpson desert.

  167. Entropy

    How long can the Victorian legal system drag out his appeal? They would be praying he dies first.

  168. stackja

    Gunmen at large after boxing match murder
    Amber Wilson, Australian Associated Press
    an hour ago

    Two gunmen are at large after a man was shot dead and two others were wounded at a Melbourne boxing match.

    The trio were shot at the Melbourne Pavilion in Kensington on Friday night, with police describing it as a targeted attack.

    The gunmen fled the scene on foot.

    Homicide squad Detective Sergeant Sol Solomon said the three victims were not related to each other, but confirmed they were “known to police“.

    “I have no information as to the motive of the shooting or whether it was gang-related or otherwise,” he told reporters on Saturday.

    He said the venue was “packed to capacity” and that police didn’t believe there was any further risk to public safety.

    The Age has reported the match including high-profile underworld figures Mick Gatto and Toby Mitchell and members of the Haddara family.

    A witness, who declined to be named, said he heard the shots but didn’t see the fatal shooting out the front of the Melbourne Pavilion.

    He said there was chaos inside the venue when the shots were fired.

    He also confirmed the fight went ahead as planned.

    Dan says no crime problem in Vic?

  169. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Some excellent creative ideas there from Norma Tullo, OldOzzie.
    Oh for the days of the local dressmaker, who could run up a dress from a pattern, and charge far less than a couturier. Those were the days too when a lot of women could sew. Mrs. OldOzzie perhaps?

    That day out you have booked sounds just the go. Report back on the fashions. 🙂

  170. Confused Old Misfit

    Bitter cold blankets Southern California, with a new storm just around the corner

    Extreme heat blanket South Australia!
    The end is nigh!
    REPENT YE SINNERS!

  171. Roger

    Alas, most of our “leaders” do not appear to regard our society as worth defending, or at least their inaction suggests this. I suspect what it boils down to is a lack of courage.

    Which results in this:

    “…the more Britain and other Western countries flagellate themselves over their historical misdeeds and purported racism, the less able they are to attract the loyalties of ethnic outsiders. So long as multiculturalism means, as it now does in the contemporary West, that every ethnic group is supposed to find cultural power and meaning and self-esteem in promoting its roots and heritage, and so long as the assigned role for whites is to wallow in the sins of their ancestors, radical hate-the-West groups will appear compelling to minorities.”

    RTWT

  172. stackja

    Geriatric Mayfly
    #2948254, posted on March 2, 2019 at 11:53 am

    Do owners ever face charges?

  173. Rae

    as someone who in the last week has had the bad news that previous savage surgery, subsequent Chemo has not worked, with the option offered of even more drastic surgery, which scared the pants off me, … I have, hopefully. option of immunotherapy trial which should be finalised in next week and half

    Sorry to hear that, OldOzzie. I hope the immunotherapy trial goes well for you.

  174. Notafan

    Is the rash of resignations simply due to the change in parliamentary pension rules?

    Or not liking the bckbench

    Aren’t all these useless lumps Turnbull supporters?

  175. Geriatric Mayfly

    Bitter cold blankets Southern California, with a new storm just around the corner

    This on top of a record snow pack already on the ground, which I was reading about yesterday. Time for a Donner party re-enactment.

  176. Confused Old Misfit

    Are any of the bookies who drop by here going to open a book on the winner of the Kleptocrats presidential nomination for 2020?

  177. OldOzzie

    Elle
    #2948266, posted on March 2, 2019 at 11:58 am

    OldOzzie,
    I had noticed your absence.
    My thoughts and prayers are with you.
    🙏

    Thanks Elle,

    surprisingly I feel disgustingly healthy and have been enjoying time with my Wife, Kids and my Grandchildren – I seem to keep bouncing back after each problem, so I aim to stay optimistic (though the next proposed operation did scare the heck out of me – as I said to the Surgeon giving the bad news, I think I prefer Quality of Life to what was being offered, so Monday Week with Oncologist and discussions on immunotherapy trial)

  178. Confused Old Misfit

    Do owners ever face charges?

    They certainly can be charged with an offense on most jurisdictions.
    However, the seriousness of the charges are almost always at misdemeanor level and expiated usually through the payment of a fine.
    In cases of serious attacks the animal is destroyed.

  179. Roger

    Those were the days too when a lot of women could sew.

    My wife can and does make her own clothes when she has the time, mostly because she enjoys it. She was educated by English nuns in one of the last colonial outposts, so I suppose her education was a generation behind what was happening elsewhere – and I mean that in a good sense. She has only good things to say about those nuns too, btw. They also regarded it as essential that a young lady should know how to cook, albeit standard English fare.

  180. Notafan

    “Why did Jussie Smollett do it?” a thousand anxiously clueless progressives ask.

    To paraphrase Willie Sutton, because that’s where the money is.

    How to fake a hate crune

  181. Tel

    Are any of the bookies who drop by here going to open a book on the winner of the Kleptocrats presidential nomination for 2020?

    Not putting any money or odds forward, but I think Bernie Sanders has a good possibility of being the Dem candidate for 2020. I emphasize that’s not an endorsement, more of an assessment. Sanders has a strong grass roots network of true fruitloops and he offers a very simple message, “free stuff” that people get behind. Sanders has not overreached so far into crazy land (yet) so he’s probably the most plausible sounding. Importantly, animatronic technology is highly advanced these days; so Sanders will easily last out the campaign, and something resembling Sanders could even in theory last out an 8 year Presidency.

  182. Geriatric Mayfly

    Geriatric Mayfly
    Do owners ever face charges?

    Not sure on this stackja. Dogs are within the purview of the local council and I should need to go no further on the efficacy of local government. All I ever read about is the fate of the animal concerned once in the hands of the dog catcher. However, if your harmless old mutt gets out (Tags, micros-chips notwitstanding) and is caught at large, the fines etc under the feral animals’ provision come raining down thick and fast.

  183. Myrddin Seren

    Is the rash of resignations simply due to the change in parliamentary pension rules?

    In one case….

    Contract for French fantasy fleet signed ? Tick

    Cheque’s in the mail ? Tick

    So long and thanks for all the tin fish, Suckers !!

    Your great grandchildren will still be paying off the debt on that pork roll in the year 2100, if the Commonwealth of Australia even still exists.

    Who needs a parliamentary pension ?

  184. OldOzzie

    Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
    #2948270, posted on March 2, 2019 at 12:01 pm

    Some excellent creative ideas there from Norma Tullo, OldOzzie.
    Oh for the days of the local dressmaker, who could run up a dress from a pattern, and charge far less than a couturier. Those were the days too when a lot of women could sew. Mrs. OldOzzie perhaps?

    That day out you have booked sounds just the go. Report back on the fashions. 🙂

    Lizzie

    No my wife could not really sew though she did make some simple dresses – one of my Italian Classmates Mother was a Dressmaker who could make a dress from any picture – she made my wife’s Wedding Gown and Wedding Going Away Outfit both from photos that my wife found and like

    It will be interesting to see the young ones in the Paddock Club Lounge – they were dressed to the nines in 2017 and in 2017 the Paddock Club Premium Lounge was above Ferrari Pits and next door to Ferrari Lounge – so as a Petrol Head really looking forward to it.

    I will report back on fashions

    PS For Petrol Heads – 2019 Ferrari F8 Tributo revealed

  185. Geriatric Mayfly

    Those were the days too when a lot of women could sew. Mrs. OldOzzie perhaps?

    I recall the women of the house, looking at patterns in the Myers catalogue. One would eventually arrive on order in nothing bigger than an A4 envelope, from which would be taken all this tissue paper cut into shapes. They would be laid out and the scissoring and the sewing would begin. Am I showing my age?

  186. struth

    Good Moaning.
    Leave it to the courts, says the lying scum numbers, as he full well knows the situation.

    Believe in the institutions long marched through by the left, says numbers.

    Here is the hypocrite.
    Pegs himself to Christian hating socialism and then wanders off to Church.

    No one can doubt the left’s hatred of Christianity.
    It’s foremost church being the original Christian church of St Peter, the Catholic Church, and upon that rock, the church was built.

    The hiss and spit at it like scared and angry demons, like vampires trying to destroy the light.

    Their church is The holy church of Totalitarian Government and they will tolerate no other religion.

    If there was any chance Pell did what is claimed I’d call for him to be thrown to the lions, as would any catholic, really.
    A point forgotten by the left, who by pure projection , think that their political opposition will support one of their own no matter how criminal, as they would.
    It’s simply not the case.

    However, based on what we know, and the fact that if there was anything to know, it would be well and truly advertised by the left, there is nothing but an unsubstantiated claim made by someone who didn’t even have to turn up in court, has financial gain to be had, with no witnesses, and the only witnesses say it could not have happened.

    We understand our enemy, and they are ensconced in our institutions, and most definitely running our courts.
    That’s just a fact.
    We know our political enemies have no qualm with corruption, lacking any integrity at all.
    It is purely about the end goal, and all is justified from innocent men going to jail, to 1200 dead bodies floating in the sea.
    The narrative.
    The propaganda, all for the revolution, and the end of their hated western capitalism.

    If we could see any evidence at all, knowing how the system is, that Pell did anything, anything wrong anywhere at anytime, we , unlike the left with one of their own, would let true justice take it’s course.

  187. Bruce of Newcastle

    PS For Petrol Heads – 2019 Ferrari F8 Tributo revealed

    And for petrol-less heads…

    For Elon Musk, “The End Of The Road” (1 Mar)

    In the past week, we have learned that;
    – yet another Tesla has lost a wheel due to “Whompy Wheel” (google it).
    – The SEC is holding Elon Musk in contempt for blatant disregard of the prior settlement agreement.
    – Tesla is closing most stores and service centers to save money
    – Tesla is dramatically reducing vehicle prices to push faulty legacy inventory on consumers in a last ditch cash grab.
    – Tesla is functionally bankrupt and the Q1 ending cash balance (not adjusted for quarter-end lipstick) will likely be less than $2 billion and possibly as low as $1 billion
    – Tesla’s General Counsel has looked at some piece of information and left the company … We don’t yet know what was so repugnant that he left, but it had to be rather awful as they’ve also lost their entire accounting team twice in the past year.

    That all happened this week!!!

    Looks like the wheels are falling off. Literally.

  188. Elle

    surprisingly I feel disgustingly healthy and have been enjoying time with my Wife, Kids and my Grandchildren – I seem to keep bouncing back after each problem, so I aim to stay optimistic

    Optimism is a valuable trait.
    Whatever the outcome may be, your family will feel empowered by your optimism.
    SheElohim yevarach otha.
    If you’re that way inclined 🙂

  189. Eyrie

    bespoke,
    I’m not a big government statist. I was pointing out the difference between government treatment of two potentially dangerous things. Guns require human agency to do anything bad, dogs require human agency NOT to do bad things (proper unbringing and training, restraint etc) yet my guns are required to be locked up securely.
    Dogs also are the prime cause of noise pollution in suburbia. If people are going to live near each other there must be some rules. I’m good with rules that say I’m allowed to shoot any dog that barks, barks at me, rushes the fence when I pass by on public land, menaces me (I was not that long ago menaced by an improperly secured Rotty) etc.
    I’m fine with people owning dogs but they must not inflict them on anyone else.

  190. calli

    I have spent the morning at my sewing machine (Bernie the Beautiful) and have been pondering this:

    Loui Mili gan today tweets “I’ve had good priests laugh darkly at all those arguments. Heavy robes – they say that’s bunkum.”

    The “arguments” were supposedly about the alb etc. and the ability to pin two youths down while holding the garment up.

    I have known a lot of clergymen in my time, and not one would “laugh darkly” about such a thing and such a crime. They would mourn. So…Ms M is either lying or the priests she has canvassed are not “good”.

    The grifter is playing to the unchurched, as usual.

  191. OldOzzie

    Elle
    #2948291, posted on March 2, 2019 at 12:38 pm

    Elle – would describe myself as occasional Catholic, but always still pray and thanks for the God Bless

  192. calli

    Good stuff Old Ozzie. You’re a toughie. Chin up and enjoy every single day.

  193. calli

    I can make garments from photos. Mostly bridal.

    And no. I don’t do orders. These are labours of love.

  194. OldOzzie

    Australia a Third World Country

    Singapore Apartment Internet Access 264 Mbps Download and 264 Mbps Upload

    my NBN restricted because of HFC to 100Mbps/40Mbps for which I pay extra, but will say, consistently seeing 96-98 Mbps Download and always 38 Mbps Upload

  195. Des Deskperson

    Just back from the Fyshwick fruit and veg markets.

    Regarding the comments on ABC TV drama, ‘The Heights’ does have a Muslim family, portrayed as hard-working and devout, but the eldest son is a bit of a tearaway. It’s the old tradition values v modern lifestyles schtick. Doubtless he’ll return to his roots, become a model citizen and start studying to be an imam.

    What made ‘The Cry’ quality adult drama was that the product seemed to be excused the usual pressure to ‘be the authentic voice of Australia’; or to ‘tell out own stories’.

    It is ironic that these, err, attributes, which make much of the ABC in general unwatchable, are the very ones lauded by the likes of Karvan, Minchin, Dusseldorf, Ross and Neill in those TV promos for the ABC.

    My understanding – I’m happy to be corrected – is that these people, who have earned a great deal of money from their appearances on the ABC, were paid to do the ads. I would have thought that, given their beliefs, the money that have already received from the taxpayer and the alleged budgetary difficulties facing the ABC, they would have done then gratis.

  196. Neil

    I’m fine with people owning dogs but they must not inflict them on anyone else.

    I think I said something similar but got abused by people who post here. I still have the bite marks on my ankle where my neighbours pit bull bit me. I was not even on their property. I was just walking past when it charged at me with the owners present calling the dog back.

    There has to be a limit to what a citizen can own. I am not against guns or dogs. But pit bulls and rottweilers are fighting dogs and should be banned. A citizen should not be allowed to own a Virginia class nuclear submarine. The question for me is where do you draw the line. Same goes for speed limits and lots of other things.

  197. Notafan

    Excellent Calli

    I sewed when my children were little

    perhaps when I retire and there are others to sew for

    though not good enough for bridal

    one is being made right now, from a photo, in Israel

  198. 2dogs

    I don’t get why so many think this, given this.

  199. OldOzzie

    For Cat Petrol Heads

    Spent a day with my son, vegging and watching

    Chris Harris Drives

    What a Selection

  200. Macbeth

    Tintarella di Luna catchy tune on Chl 7’s new Miss Fisher. best part of the show. I hope our Tinta saw it.

  201. Confused Old Misfit

    There has to be a limit to what a citizen can own.

    There need be no such limits.
    The limits should only be those required to prevent the citizens possessions impacting in an adverse fashion on other citizens.
    A citizen whose dog injures another should be held responsible as if that citizen had themselves inflicted the injuries.
    The animal is an extension of the citizen just as is a gun or an automobile.
    The citizen is responsible for it and its actions.

  202. Mark A

    Neil
    #2948299, posted on March 2, 2019 at 12:56 pm

    There has to be a limit to what a citizen can own. I am not against guns or dogs. But pit bulls and rottweilers are fighting dogs and should be banned. A citizen should not be allowed to own a Virginia class nuclear submarine. The question for me is where do you draw the line. Same goes for speed limits and lots of other things.

    You have this hangup about the Virginia class subs.
    Why? What happened?

    What sort of subs are we allowed to have?

    BTW if the choice comes t0 having pitbulls or subs, my vote goes for subs.
    They don’t shoot torps or missiles all by themselves.

  203. calli

    The days of bridal sewing are long over for me. Coming home from a hard day’s work, quick dinner and into the tulle, silk, pearls and lace. What a contrast to dust and cement and fertiliser.

    Not long and I’ll be unboxing the long swiss voile and French lace Christening robe for another turn. Hopefully it will be the same old priest again – he knows how to hold a baby dressed in such finery. 😀

  204. Stimpson J. Cat

    Remember the good old days when Women would spend more time sewing than talking?
    Good times.
    😁

  205. Roger

    The “arguments” were supposedly about the alb etc. and the ability to pin two youths down while holding the garment up.

    The witness claimed Pell “parted” the alb.

    He was evidently referring to the “ecumenical alb” worn by clergy of various denominations which is fastened at the side with either buttons or velcro.

    Pell was in the habit of wearing the more traditional seamless alb which can only be put on or taken off over the head like a large and long poncho coming down to the ankles, followed by his chasuble, again a poncho like garment which in the case of a bishop would be a rather weighty garment, in his case coming down to the knees with a stole underneath.

    The notion that these vestments could be “parted” is plainly false. Even hitching them up to one’s waist could not be done quickly or easily.

  206. Notafan

    Not long and I’ll be unboxing the long swiss voile and French lace Christening robe for another turn.

    Very nice

    My mother still has the Christening robe made by her grandmother for my grandmother and her older siblings.

    Used it for all four of mine, have to be baptized by 6 weeks or it is too small.

    Am hoping it is used again in a couple of years.

  207. Stimpson J. Cat

    Pell was in the habit of wearing the more traditional seamless alb which can only be put on or taken off over the head like a large and long poncho coming down to the ankles, followed by his chasuble, again a poncho like garment which in the case of a bishop would be a rather weighty garment, in his case coming down to the knees with a stole underneath.

    In my experience most priests/bishops/archbishops were too unco to take one of these off and had to be helped by a noble and virtuous altar Stimp.
    Bloody hopeless.

  208. calli

    That’s because their mouths were full of pins, Stimps.

    For Macbeth

  209. Notafan

    He was evidently referring to the “ecumenical alb” worn by clergy of various denominations which is fastened at the side with either buttons or velcro.

    no lie too egregious for vicpol

    change the priest, the year, the month, the date the type of wine

    no problem

  210. C.L.

    Loui Mili gan today tweets “I’ve had good priests laugh darkly at all those arguments. Heavy robes – they say that’s bunkum.”

    The bizarre and avoidant words “I’ve had” are the give-way for those interested in establishing dishonesty. She’s lying, of course. She hasn’t spoken to any “good priests” on the subject whose response to child r-ape (even falsely alleged) is to ‘laugh darkly.’

    If she wants to sue, let her name the priests.
    GO!

  211. Mark A

    Notafan
    #2948310, posted on March 2, 2019 at 1:12 pm
    Used it for all four of mine, have to be baptized by 6 weeks or it is too small.

    Am hoping it is used again in a couple of years.

    ??

  212. Neil

    BTW if the choice comes t0 having pitbulls or subs, my vote goes for subs.
    They don’t shoot torps or missiles all by themselves.

    My point is there should be a line for lots of things. Rifles and handguns do not bother me.. Lots of people want the right to own more powerful stuff for perverse reasons

  213. Notafan

    How is that confusing?

    I said there is a wedding dress currently being made and in my next post (noting I had four children baptized in it) hoped that in a couple of years the family Christening robe would once again be used

  214. Mark A

    Notafan
    #2948318, posted on March 2, 2019 at 1:19 pm

    How is that confusing?

    I said there is a wedding dress currently being made and in my next post (noting I had four children baptized in it) hoped that in a couple of years the family Christening robe would once again be used

    Sorry, I was wondering if you were planning for more children that’s all.
    Now, I gather you are hoping for a grandchild.

  215. calli

    Norma Tullo sounded familiar. In a galaxy far, far away I made a couple of these for myself. Also some Prue Actons. If I dig around long enough, I’d probably unearth the offcuts rolled up – cloth was expensive and nothing was wasted.

  216. Stimpson J. Cat

    There need be no such limits.

    Exactly.
    I’m allowed to drive a forklift why can’t I be trusted with a tank?
    How is that even fair?
    Just ridiculous.

  217. Confused Old Misfit

    Lots of people want the right to own more powerful stuff for perverse reasons

    But why should that preclude an even greater number of “people who want the right to own more powerful stuff” for non-perverse reasons from owning that stuff?

  218. Geriatric Mayfly

    If we could see any evidence at all, knowing how the system is, that Pell did anything, anything wrong anywhere at anytime, we , unlike the left with one of their own,

    The ABC with Jon Stevens for example. And the chances of a few others in that swamp are fairly high.

  219. Eyrie

    Confused Old Misfit
    #2948245, posted on March 2, 2019 at 11:43 am

    “With respect to vicious dogs.
    The owner of an animal that attacks a human should be charged with assault as if they, the owner, had committed the offense in their own person.”

    Uncontrolled barking, once notified, should also be regarded as assault the next time it happens.

  220. Confused Old Misfit

    I’m allowed to drive a forklift

    Not without a permit & training bucko!

  221. Dr Faustus

    Loui Mili gan today tweets “I’ve had good priests laugh darkly at all those arguments. Heavy robes – they say that’s bunkum.”

    Bunkum as in the robes are not heavy and awkward?

    Or bunkum as in there is a well known clerical trick to whipping them up unobtrusively for a shifty BJ in a public place?

    She’s such a tease…

  222. Eyrie

    “Rifles and handguns do not bother me.. Lots of people want the right to own more powerful stuff for perverse reasons’
    Maybe they just enjoy the odd trip to range to fire their MG42 because they like it.

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