Monday Forum: March 4, 2018

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  1. Mother Lode

    All seems rather down hill from here.

  2. Arky

    Where do the Republicans find these RINO idiots.
    Another ex- military dickhead in the McCain mould:
    ..


  3. Exit Stage Right

    Lurking pays off! In the run on team.

  4. struth

    From old thread.

    In my experience, cops are always going to head left.
    They are compliance enforcers after all.
    There was a time when they were there to keep the piece and protect the people, but that was in another world.

    The cops walk past dying people in the streets of Venezuela and don’t see a thing.
    The more socialist a country becomes, the worse the police get.
    We are not seeing anything that shouldn’t be expected.
    The Pell case is a battle for power, as should be expected.
    Between socialism and Christianity.
    We should neither expect justice or even hope for it.
    Those days are long gone.
    This has nothing to do with abusing children sexually, the left are doing it in our schools with the blessing of socialist government.
    They just paraded it down Sydney streets.

    This is just the increasing rabid-ness of the insane left at it sniffs victory .

    And it was Howard who took our Guns.
    And from that very day, we were going to be screwed.
    And we are.

    Please name me a country that isn’t falling to Socialism once it’s citizens were disarmed?

    It’s happening slower than when socialists have taken over in the past because there was institutions to march through and an education system to corrupt.
    But it is done.

    The temperature was turned up slowly on the western frog.
    It was a combination of deliberate, deceptive evil (numbers) and useful idiots on the left, and people weak of character who desperately require acceptance of their peers.

    From the time even before Malcom took over, when Abbott went MIA for a year, that should have set alarm bells going.
    After all the political capital they had, from the disaster of the RGR years, we should have been rioting in the streets.

    And yet we still have a Liberal party in power.
    The smartest right wing presenter on television still doesn’t get it, and is bewildered at the leftism of the Liberal party, and it’s spineless traitorous, pathetic existence, it’s leader a blokey Teresa May.

    For those of you that wanted to let Labor in to ruin the country, to get it over and done with, you only thought about economics, and not the sickening cultural Marxism that comes with it, that will kill your children, or force them into poverty and squalor.
    This is only the start.
    There is so much more insanity to come, and the worst of it is the insanity and evil.
    A poor nation united in Christ and with community spirit is something that all will learn is much more liveable than the insanity and evil of the left now only starting

  5. twostix

    Some are inadvertently funny.

    When Glenda met Sandy: descendants of massacre survivor and soldier unite in grief

    Good luck if you can work out which is which from the photo.

    An entire article and no reason given to the reader as to why the soldiers were sent out by governor Macquarie?

    Yet the Guardian reading class definitely feel themselves to be the utmost well educated and read class of people in society!

  6. Exit Stage Right

    Very thoughtful and passinate piece Struth.
    What are we gonna do?

  7. Dr Fredrich V. Lenin

    Get in early ,like voting ,before the trolls find it ,hah hah ,beat yez !

  8. MatrixTransform

    What are we gonna do?

    go long on ice picks and rope.

  9. Dr Fredrich V. Lenin

    Just leave the “passinate “I like it .

  10. twostix

    James Wallis is something of a respected founding father around Maitland and Newcastle, here’s what the University of Newcastle has to say about him:

    Captain James Wallis, soldier of the 46th Regiment, was the Commandant of Newcastle from June 1816 to December 1818, appointed by Governor Lachlan Macquarie. He enjoyed sketching as well as exploring and recruited talented convicts, such as Joseph Lycett, as artists. He was friendly with the local Awabakal people, especially their leader Burigon, who led him on hunting trips. During his time as Commandant he made many improvements to Newcastle, including building Christ Church Cathedral and conceptualising the breakwater at Nobby’s. Maitland was originally named ‘Wallis Plains’ after him.

    What the rootless cosmopolitan Guardian bugman class has been ordered to do is annihalate the Australian founding stock the few people their descendants hold in esteem from the past.

    They’re in the process of laying the ground work for our own little mini confederate statues pogrom and day zero.

  11. Tip of the week:

    If VikPol advertise for complaints against you. Stay out of the country,

  12. Has anyone here observed monty exceeding a speed limit in Viktoristan?

    I can help you with the dates and time of day.

  13. twostix

    Be a pioneering scotsman.

    Explore the brutal bush on this unknown continent, found a town, establish a prosperous future for generations of your line. Faithfully serve the colonial government and follow orders to protect your brothers and sisters from natives spearing and decapitating them in their beds. Do so succesfully.

    Come back a century later, pick up a newspaper, see your descendends speak well of you and are themselves doing well. Be happy.

    Come back as a ghost one fifty hundred years later to check up on your hard work, read some Newspapers, see some spoiled bint from the Worst Generation in history vomiting this:

    “I was disgusted and ashamed of him. So at that point I was thinking, ‘You bastard, I’m going to tell the world, because everybody thinks you’re a good bloke.’”

    Go back in time and abort yourself to prevent any of it.

  14. thefrollickingmole

    An entire article and no reason given to the reader as to why the soldiers were sent out by governor Macquarie?

    Can I just preempt you there by calling you racist?

    Saves time.

    Further on in their article they admit the vast majority of “massacres” were retaliation for killing settlers.

    One line dismissal is about all the poor pale stales can expect in a few thousand words of decolonization comrades.

  15. C.L.

    “… he’s done a very, very good job at being believed” Sergeant Smith said.

    What Mr Smith is saying is the accuser is a very, very determined liar.

  16. mh

    Are we still talking about foreskins?

    People on a libertarian/centre right blog would be against circumcising babies I would have thought. Where are the rights of the newborn? As for the religious collectivism, how medieval.

    I note that those who have never had a foreskin often comfort themselves by saying that women really love their circumcised cock. Hahaha

  17. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    What the rootless cosmopolitan Guardian bugman class has been ordered to do is annihalate the Australian founding stock the few people their descendants hold in esteem from the past.

    I’m quoting from an article by John Lewis, “The History Wars From A Logical Perspective ” Quadrant Magazine January February, 2004 – if the Guardian is to be believed, this country was pioneered by psychopathic killers, along the lines of “Billy the Kid.”

  18. thefrollickingmole

    mh

    Birdstrike?

  19. twostix

    Poor Gov Macquarie.

    He was the 19th century good boy. A good progressive. He was the modern left’s governor when they had to pretend to be proud of Australia’s history.

    Now they are a beesdick away from literally calling him Pol Pot.

    But the left haven’t moved left, they say, no in this case history has moved to the right!

  20. Mother Lode

    Yet the Guardian reading class definitely feel themselves to be the utmost well educated and read class of people in society!

    I was just meandering my way about the intertubes yesterday and came across this quote who played the self-absorbed Nedley – the computer ‘Fat Bastard’.

    I have this assemblage of small facts, which looks like intelligence but no real depth of knowledge about anything. That’s why I’m an actor.

    Your Gruniad reader has ‘facts’ that just happen to be wrong. But they have an error ready for everything that happens.

    And they are convinced as to their intelligence – another non-fact.

  21. thefrollickingmole

    Remember this is the weapon that was supposed to have killed many many thousands.
    In the bush

  22. Geriatric Mayfly

    What is this banking fairness fund caper? Sounds like outright confiscation to me.
    I imagine that Shorten’s new sound grab, “Fairness,” is going to be flogged to death between now and May.

  23. nah moley

    but lol on ‘medieval’ for a faith that goes back well over three thousand years

    my best guess that both circumcision and dietary laws have a sound basis in maintaining good health

  24. twostix

    ‘You bastard, I’m going to tell the world, because everybody thinks you’re a good bloke.’”

    “Fuck you dad’s dad’s dad’s DAD” said yet another 60 something boomer woman, again.

  25. Dr Faustus

    Frontrunner to replace Julie Bishop in Curtin once tweeted: ‘I’m a non-Liberal voter’

    In 2012, she [Erin Watson-Lynn] tweeted “Abbott is a wet rag in comparison to Turnbull” and said “ Ah Malcolm Turnbull!! I am a non-Liberal voter but I’m slowly falling in love with you. Why is he not leading the coalition?!

    Many people asked that very same question – all the way through to August 2018.

  26. thefrollickingmole

    Today we think of the infantryman using his rifle, and in a worst case scenario, falling back on his bayonet as a last resort. However, in the 18th century the musket was used to pave the way for the use of the bayonet. It was the bayonet that was the real primary weapon. As it has been said, the musket is a good handle for the bayonet. There’s a lot of truth to that statement.

  27. That “socialist” word stuffs it up for you every time.

    The more socialist a country becomes, the worse the police get.

    I’m assuming you’d regard Canada as more “socialist” than the USA.

    Please name me a country that isn’t falling to Socialism once it’s citizens were disarmed?

    You could start with Japan, Singapore and Taiwan.

  28. People on a libertarian/centre right blog would be against circumcising …

    The dickless don’t see circumcision as a major issue.

  29. twostix

    Both the liberals and labor are desperately trying to throw the election.

    Nobody wants to be in charge of this shitshow that they’ve both created. How the hell do you govern a country that now consists of the majority nation that is completely cucked, that given the right conditions can explode at any time but prefers to just whinge at the ballot box, and 20 or so violent highly organised mini-nations who will literally kill people if they don’t like you?

    Fuck that, they say.

    Everybody wants to govern from opposition. Much easier.

  30. dover_beach

    Sergant Smith self congratulating for allowing accuser to change his story every time exculpatory evidence came up and providing lots and lots of coaching

    and congratulations also victim advocate magistrates and judges who severely limit what questions defense counsel can ask accusers who must be mollycoddled and protected because they are so very very dramatized oops Freudian slip there

    This is correct. The alleged victim got several material facts wrong in his statements, and then, as the exculpatory testimony rolled this or that alleged point of fact, the police simply allowed the accuser to change his statement, again and again. The fix was in the moment Operation Tethering was launched. They were going to pursue even the most ridiculous claims in order to at the very least get Pell to commital, roll the dice with a Magistrate, and here they were indeed very ‘lucky’ indeed to have someone presiding who themselves were interviewed on the ABC alongside a ‘journalist’ that was herself spreading these calumnies against Pell in the year leading up to the committal hearing, and then again roll the dice with a jury, having cultivated the most egregious calumnies against Pell, including have the Commissioner of VicPol refer to the accuser as a victim, rather than as an alleged victim. There is still no corroborating evidence of any abuse against the alleged victim as of today, none at all.

    Seriously, consider each of those facts together. It is just amazing. The stench is putrid.

  31. twostix

    You could start with Japan, Singapore and Taiwan.

    Perfect mediocre soulless bugman hives.

    You’d fit right in I’m sure.

  32. btw im not sure what mh is asking of ‘libertarians’

    that government should override parental rights and forbid religious circumcision?

    That doesn’t sound very libertarian

    OPh and we all know fgm proponents use circumcision as a look squirrel argument too

  33. Boambee John

    Will the first Mrs Shorten be getting the $10,000 to help her rebuild her life after the “psychological domestic violence” of being dumped at quarter time at the footy?

  34. Mother Lode

    Has anyone here observed monty exceeding a speed limit in Viktoristan?

    I can help you with the dates and time of day.

    If you can tell me dates and times then I am sure I will be able to remember.

    And if we have to abandon time or dates because he has an alibi then I am sure I can remember other instances.

    The most important thing is to keep this menace off the streets!

  35. Knuckle Dragger

    BrettW,

    Good work and commentary on the p3ll interview. Disclaimer: I have not seen it, but if half the comments by other posters are correct, I’m not sure I want to.

    In a high profile investigation, yes you would generally have one of your best investigators on the job. Given the nature of this ‘investigation’, I would suggest that once any decent detective got a whiff of the job they would have run screaming from it. The better investigators are found in divisional CIB (CIU)s, as well as in specialist squads such as Homicide and Armed Crime. It would seem that Tethering very much attracted the B Team.

    And yes, you would generally pick a D/Sgt to lead the interview because in theory they have the most experience and currency in this particular art (which it is). Unfortunately this one didn’t even seem to have an interview plan, essential for any interview, and was unprepared for GP to deny any offending. Nor did he care to note any exculpatory details given by GP for further follow up – another must-have.

    The commissioned officer was there because of rank, no more. Typically they haven’t seen an angry man, let alone interviewed anyone in years and in normal circumstances wouldn’t have been let anywhere near an interview room.

    As I’ve said previously, this whole thing has ‘wrong’ written all over it in big red letters:

    1. Solicitation of complaints, from anyone, suggesting a predetermined target (‘We’ve just had an RC and must be seen to do something!’);
    2. Shoddy investigative work pre-interview;
    3. The interview itself;
    4. Failure to include exculpatory matters on the brief, which was of such poor quality it was returned by the DPP three times;
    5. The DPP’s decision to charge despite no corroboration, no forensics, a situationally impossible circumstance and the existence of substantial alibi evidence;
    6. The Magistrate’s decision to commit to trial; and
    7. The almost absolute reversal of the jurors’ decision at retrial.

    Something is indeed rotten in the state of Denmark…
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  36. Knuckle Dragger

    Cut/paste fail.

    The sentiment remains.

  37. DB Wallington is a well known self declaring ‘victim’s advocate’

    no luck involved as she is the head of the sexual victims section of the Melbourne magistrates court

    how can you claim to be impartial and a victim’s advocate?

    oh you just don’t claim to be impartial

    I’d be interested to know whether defense counsel was allowed to pursue those statement changes in court too

  38. C.L.

    The relationship between Pell’s accuser and his mate – the drug-user who died – is also very very suspicious. The way he wrote him into his bullshit story after he was dead looks like an attempt to shift blame (for something) on to somebody else.

  39. Entropy

    Geriatric Mayfly
    #2950258, posted on March 4, 2019 at 3:03 pm
    What is this banking fairness fund caper? Sounds like outright confiscation to me.
    I imagine that Shorten’s new sound grab, “Fairness,” is going to be flogged to death between now and May

    The ALP meaning of “fairness” is “give me and my mates more of your stuff”
    Those not paying attention will think they are his mates.

  40. C.L.

    1. Solicitation of complaints, from anyone, suggesting a predetermined target (‘We’ve just had an RC and must be seen to do something!’);
    2. Shoddy investigative work pre-interview;
    3. The interview itself;
    4. Failure to include exculpatory matters on the brief, which was of such poor quality it was returned by the DPP three times;
    5. The DPP’s decision to charge despite no corroboration, no forensics, a situationally impossible circumstance and the existence of substantial alibi evidence;
    6. The Magistrate’s decision to commit to trial; and
    7. The almost absolute reversal of the jurors’ decision at retrial.

    You forgot …

    8. Detective admitting under oath at the committal that he refused to take any more statements from cathedral witnesses because every single one to that point was exculpatory for Pell.
    ————————–

    Also: can soembody clarify …
    The low IQ knucklehead Sergeant Smith wasn’t one of the bozos VicPol flew to Rome, was he?

  41. BrettW

    My post below was last one in old thread.
    BrettW
    #2950273, posted on March 4, 2019 at 3:15 pm
    Did a Google search on Sergeant Doug Smith. Very interesting case revealed. This time in parliament ! Note the defence counsel. I would say Doug Smith would have issues with Richter just based on this experience alone. His relationship with Pell during the interview was very cordial. Note Bolt also gets a mention.

    This point needs to be highlighted “The magistrate criticized the complainant for “possible coercion” of witnesses and the Victoria Police for “benign acceptance of her allegations without objectivity”, describing the complainant’s evidence as “unreliable” and “concocted”. Doug Smith.

    Courier Mail By Daniel Fogarty
    July 20, 2009 6:47pm
    THE woman who alleges she was raped by Victorian MP Theo Theophanous was found guilty of lying to welfare authorities, a court has heard.
    The woman was placed on a good behaviour bond without conviction in 1994, after taking money that wasn’t owed to her, the court heard.
    The woman alleges Mr Theophanous raped her on a red couch in his parliament house chambers in September 1998.
    Mr Theophanous denies the allegation and is facing a pre-trial committal proceeding in the Melbourne Magistrates’ Court.
    Lead police investigator Detective Sergeant Doug Smith confirmed on Monday the woman was placed on a good behaviour bond on May 26, 1994 on a charge of making a false statement.
    “She told me that there was a misunderstanding in payments made to her and whatever payments she received were paid back,” he said.
    Mr Theophanous’ lawyer Robert Richter QC accused Det Sgt Smith of losing objectivity.
    The court heard the detective and the woman spoke on the telephone for 22 hours in a one-year period and exchanged scores of emails.
    “The fact is this, you believed everything she told you and never sought to find anything that might contradict her,” Mr Richter said.
    Magistrate Peter Reardon also asked whether the detective thought he was “compromised” by the close relationship.
    Det Sgt Smith rejected the suggestions.
    “She was a very vulnerable woman and she needed constant support,” he said.
    During today’s proceedings, statements both Mr Theophanous and the victim made to police were released to the media.
    In an early draft statement the woman made to police she said Mr Theophanous was capable of “violence and foul play”.

    From the MP’s Wikipedia entry :
    In December 2008 Theo Theophanous resigned as a Minister in the Brumby Government as a result of impending court proceedings based on an allegation by a woman living in Greece of an incident of rape 10 years earlier.[20]
    On 24 July 2009, the charge against him was dismissed after the magistrate ruled that ‘the prosecution’s case was not sustainable on the evidence at any level” and that it lacked “credibility, reliability and truthfulness”. The magistrate criticized the complainant for “possible coercion” of witnesses and the Victoria Police for “benign acceptance of her allegations without objectivity”, describing the complainant’s evidence as “unreliable” and “concocted”.[21][22]
    Theophanous subsequently asked the Greek authorities to pursue charges of criminal defamation against the complainant in an Athens court, claiming the woman had concocted the allegation in an attempt to gain financial benefit.[23] The court found the complainant guilty and sentenced her to 3 years jail (suspended).[24] An appeal was filed on October 2010 which was subsequently heard in a superior Athens court, however the original conviction for criminal defamation was upheld albeit with a reduced 2 years sentence.[25]
    Theophanous sought an adjudication from the Australian Press Council in relation to articles published in The Age newspaper which he claimed were false and based in part on an undisclosed conflict of interest by Age journalist Carolyn Webb who was a friend of the complainant.[26] The Australian Press Council upheld the major complaints by Theophanous and their findings were made public on 30 July 2010.[27] The Age newspaper and Victoria Police were subsequently criticized in a full page spread article by Herald Sun columnist Andrew Bolt who bemoaned the presumption of guilt and trial by media in the Theophanous case.[28] This was followed by further critical comment published by the VexNews website.[29]
    Theo Theophanous resigned from Parliament in February 2010 after 22 years of public service.[30]”

    Then from VICPOL web page

    “Royal Commission into Institutional Response to Child Abuse
    The SANO Task Force was established to investigate historic and new allegations that have emanated from the Victorian Parliamentary Inquiry into child sex abuse involving Religious and Non-Government organisations. The task force will also coordinate investigations emerging from the Australian Government Royal Commission into Institutional Responses to Child Sexual Abuse.

    SANO Task Force is based within Victoria Police’s Crime Command and comprises specialist sexual assault detectives. SANO investigators will identify links between offenders and offences through the use of modern, specialist investigation methods.

    SANO investigators are trained experts in sexual assault matters who will maintain the confidentiality of anyone who makes a complaint or wishes to provide information regarding child sexual abuse. Victoria Police are dedicated to accessing justice for victims, whether that is though a full judicial process by going to court or by simply telling their story”.

    Seriously ” trained experts in sexual assault matters”and “modern, specialist investigation methods” but did not ask about his clothing during mass or raise what was discussed prior to the assault. And also “are dedicated to accessing justice for victims”. Note not justice but justice for the victims. See case above to see how that worked out for the MP.

  42. If you can tell me dates and times then I am sure I will be able to remember.

    And if we have to abandon time or dates because he has an alibi then I am sure I can remember other instances.

    The most important thing is to keep this menace off the streets!

    Indeed.
    Don’t worry about location of the offence, we can just try different locations until we find one that’s feasible.

  43. duncanm

    Arrogant Premier has got to go
    BOB CARR­
    In another era, the shambolic management of NSW would have forced the resignation of a Premier. Now it’s up to the voters

    .. I’m not even sure where to start.

  44. C.L.

    Far out, Brett.

    The court heard [Sergeant Smith] and the woman spoke on the telephone for 22 hours in a one-year period and exchanged scores of emails.

    Was he trying to help her or root her?
    And this was the detective who liaised with Pell’s accuser?
    Wow.

    “The fact is this, you believed everything she told you and never sought to find anything that might contradict her,” Mr Richter said.

    Mmm.

  45. Stimpson J. Cat

    my best guess that both circumcision and dietary laws have a sound basis in maintaining good health

    So we are down to guessing now?
    Cutting male babies based on a guess?
    We haven’t learned anything about diet either?

    That’s just great.

    We have come so far as a species.

    Bring back trepanation!!!!

    Some people’s brains need more oxygen!

  46. The magistrate criticized [snip] the Victoria Police for “benign acceptance of her allegations without objectivity”.

    Is the magistrate that criticized the “Lead police investigator” now holding court on Heard Island?

    So Doogie has form.

  47. Whatever Stimpy

    Whatever I don’t know

    I know where you are coming from

  48. mh

    Any circumcision that was not done for approval from the collective was most likely instigated by the mother who did not trust her son to wash under the foreskin, which she thought would result in something beastly happening.

  49. They all do

    After years of treating victims of sexual assault like dirt they decided they should go to the other extreme

    As a result of the Victims’ Charter, you can expect to be treated with courtesy, respect and dignity by the police, the Office of Public Prosecutions and victim support services at all times.

    Victim’s charter

  50. calli

    Good grief. We’re still on about it.

  51. BrettW

    Knuckle,
    Appreciate your comments and was hoping you would comment. I agree no Detective would have wanted to do that interview as seems like a no win situation going in. If you count winning as getting Pell. Very poor preparation obvious. It is like going through the motions but not serious. Failing to ask about clothing is disgraceful negligence from a supposed expert. None commented last night he seemed unsure and young and I had same opinion.

    He is basking in fake glory in this case.

    You several points also just add to the long list of major issues with this case.

    I noted this in a Google search ” Jan 16, 2013 – I Detective Acting Sergeant 35502 I Sexual Offences & Child Abuse” .”

    How can he be a Det Sgt in court case in 2009 but Acting in 2013 ?

  52. Stimpson J. Cat

    Whatever Stimpy
    Whatever I don’t know
    I know where you are coming from

    Name one instance where it is acceptable to take a knife to a baby boy without anesthetic.
    In your own time.
    Then tell me how many teen and adult males have had corrective circumcision for health reasons without anesthetic.
    In your own time.

    Then explain the difference between the two.

  53. calli

    Thanks LL for the answer on the old thread about boy two.

    I wonder, when questioned by his mother, why he said nothing. Perhaps the truth was unbearable, that is, the breakdown in his family coincided with his taking up drugs.

    Much simpler and less confronting to blame a far fetched, fictional assault rather than the obvious.

  54. Speedbox

    What are we gonna do?

    Struth is correct but for many, the prospect of actually doing something about it is problematic. We (Cats) and those who think like us are not organised (like the homosexual lobby), or militant (like the lunatic Left) and we are routinely demonized in the media (especially if you are male).

    As much as we may despise and ridicule the Left, there is no discounting their organisational and mobilisation skills. They have infiltrated the mainstream press, a slew of NGO’s, social media and even the Parliament. Their ability to influence discussion, mount protests, feed instant media releases and direct the outcome is incredible and we, the Right, have no answer. Even our supposed representatives (the LNP) have long since abandoned us.

    So, what to do? That will depend on your personal situation. Some cats are, literally, preparing to (or have) quietly shifted much of their assets offshore, perhaps with a view to relocation, but in any case far beyond the reach of new taxes; others want to stay and fight via blogs, emailing their member of Parliament, perhaps individual or small group protesting and so on; still others are simply resigned to the fate of society in Australia and will try to protect their little corner only via the ballot box.

    You will choose your response according to your circumstances.

  55. stackja

    Google Search on events.
    Wayback Machine?

  56. Has the hunchback of Spring Street expressed “full confidence” in the VikPol investigation, yet?

  57. calli

    No anaesthetic? Seriously?

    I had all my children stuck with needles several times without their consent too.

    Terrible mother.

  58. calli

    And Stacks and Nota. Thank you.

  59. Stimpson J. Cat

    When did I call you a terrible mother Calli?
    Are you seriously comparing circumcision without anesthetic to a needle?
    Wow.

  60. I’m not interested in debating this with you

    you sidetracked from sub incisions because anything that you can use to attack J ews with is a delight to you

    funnily enough just about every single baby these days has a knife taken to their little foot without anesthetic to get blood for a PKU test

    my last little fellow screamed and screamed

    I’ll never forget it

  61. Stimpson J. Cat

    Have a great day guys.
    This is pointless.

  62. Mother Lode

    What is this banking fairness fund caper?

    Labor has deemed that any business that does not accept its raison d’etre as being to make Labor look caring has lost its social license and is ripe for plundering – so Labor can hand out the spoils and make themselves look good.

    Honestly, they have absolutely no grasp of how wealth is produced, spent most of their careers obstructing wealth production, and when people begin to feel things should be going better, they kick business in the guts so they can hand out some of the puke.

  63. calli

    You have a comprehension problem with this issue Stimpy.

    I did not say you called me a terrible mother.

    I did not claim that the bris was done without anaesthetic either. I never answered you at all.

    I did say that babies have certain medical procedures done to them obviously without their consent.

  64. stackja

    SJC saying pointless.

  65. Knuckle Dragger

    BrettW,

    I was sorta hoping that this was a different Smith than the one I had in mind, but it isn’t.

    And the only reason to be a Detective Acting Sergeant (ie, a Detective Senior Constable acting in the role of D/Sgt) AFTER being an actual D/Sgt is – a demotion in between those timeframes.

    I’d forgotten the Theophanous thing. Predisposed bias is generally fatal to an investigation, and in my view, with the information at hand should never have got past the necessary authorisation to proceed by a senior officer, let alone get to the DPP in the first place.

    As I said, very much the B Team.

  66. thefrollickingmole

    Then tell me how many teen and adult males have had corrective circumcision for health reasons without anesthetic.

    My brother, but with anesthetic.
    Dick too big for the bag on the end…
    (and i dont mean his ex wife)

  67. Mooka

    My son come home from a Catholic boarding school on Friday and informed me that they had spent a whole lesson watching a so called documentary on climate change. He said that he and his twin sister are the only two students who doubt the religion of AGW and that the others kids are shocked to have deniers among them.
    This week he asked said teacher why they where doing climate change in religion.
    The answer was that they are studying it to learn about climate injustice.
    Makes me want to spew to think that my money is going towards promoting this crap.
    My wife gets up me for making our kids into cynics and thinks they would be better off if they go along to get along. I tell her that I don’t want little green socialist drones living in our house.
    It’s is doing my head in and pushing my BP into the red zone.

  68. dover_beach

    The low IQ knucklehead Sergeant Smith wasn’t one of the bozos VicPol flew to Rome, was he

    No, the police in Rome were Detective Sergeant Chris Reid and Detective Superintendent Paul Sheridan.

    I’ve now watched the full interview. How this made it to committal hearing let alone a guilty verdict at trial is a travesty. Pell looks gutted in that video. Genuinely shocked. And completely certain that the matter would not even reach committal hearing given the evidence arrayed against the claims.

  69. Geriatric Mayfly

    Has the hunchback of Spring Street expressed “full confidence” in the VikPol investigation, yet?

    He gave Fatty a kiss and a cuddle a few days ago.

  70. Knuckle Dragger

    Nota,

    You are entirely correct on the old Fred in saying circumcision of babies is a non-event. Spare me the ‘no consent’ nonsense – it’s practical, cleaner and less prone to nasty girl bugs.

    The prick on the heel business is a case in point. My young bloke screamed as well but I’m glad it happened.

    Anyone that can remember anything around the day or two following their own birth, hands up.

    No-one? Didn’t think so.

    KD
    Proud helmet owner.

    NB: Matrix, it appears your procedure was done with an angle grinder. My condolences.

  71. stackja

    Victoria went after Pell.
    How many heads will fall?

  72. MatrixTransform

    you sidetracked from sub incisions because anything that you can use to attack

    what?
    that’s your issue?
    That’s the agenda?
    been wondering all what your ref to an ‘agenda’ is.
    and Calli too? …. you guys reckon people are having a go at yr religion or ethnic association?

    Wow … that’s just fecking weird.

    a scalpel to a newborn without anesthetic is is a nasty vicious callous act no matter what the religion

    Wake up.

  73. stackja

    1940s babies probably all got snipped.

  74. Confused Old Misfit

    a scalpel to a newborn without anesthetic is is a nasty vicious callous act no matter what the religion

    Can’t recall the event.
    Might have noticed at the time.
    Don;y feel like I’ve missed anything.

  75. Confused Old Misfit

    1940s babies

    And before,
    and after.

  76. mh

    …That’s just great.

    We have come so far as a species.

    Bring back trepanation!!!!

    Some people’s brains need more oxygen!

    A story I had forgotten or never knew. I saw a show on the Kennedys last week. Father Joe Kennedy arranged for his daughter Rosemary to undergo a frontal lobotomy. She spent the rest of her life in an institution with little contact with the outside world. She died in 2005.

    From wiki

    After the lobotomy, it quickly became apparent that the procedure was not successful. Kennedy’s mental capacity diminished to that of a two-year-old child. She could not walk or speak intelligibly and was incontinent.

  77. Mother Lode

    Did I mention I was first?

  78. BrettW

    Knuckle,
    It does look odd regarding the acting. Had me wondering why he conducted the interview but I made a mistake there as Dover has pointed out a different Sgt did the interview. Doug Smith seems to have been being quoted as the investigator in todays stories. My points linking Doug Smith as the interviewer are incorrect but the comments on the actual interview still stand. Why is Doug the one commenting on tonights show etc ? Is it because he is retired. Not seen Chris Reid mentioned.

    Knuckle Dragger
    #2950305, posted on March 4, 2019 at 4:01 pm
    BrettW,

    And the only reason to be a Detective Acting Sergeant (ie, a Detective Senior Constable acting in the role of D/Sgt) AFTER being an actual D/Sgt is – a demotion in between those timeframes.

  79. You’re an idiot Matrix

    Stimpy has a a history

    and no it isn’t my religion

  80. mh

    Spare me the ‘no consent’ nonsense – it’s practical, cleaner and less prone to nasty girl bugs.

    Oh.

  81. Confused Old Misfit

    The practice (male circumcision) had/has valid health reasons for its existence. Even today in allegedly highly educated western societies.
    The dietary laws too has validity and in some parts of today’s world adherence to them could save one from some still prevalent nastiness.

  82. Steve trickler

    Noted, Sinclair.

    Fair enough.

  83. calli

    and Calli too? …. you guys reckon people are having a go at yr religion or ethnic association?

    No. That is what you are saying. I don’t think anyone is “having a go” at me for any reasona except that they think I’m wrong and want to change my mind.

    I’m not an idiotic hysteric who takes this stuff personally. The “terrible mother” comment was made in context with the innoculation issue and with a wry typeface (maybe I should have included an emoji).

    And the “without anaesthetic” stuff has been trotted out yet again.

  84. MatrixTransform

    I may be an idiot, but I’m not your idiot.

    Please go ahead and explain how using a scalpel to remove anything from an infant without anesthetic is in any way acceptable in this day and age.

    Take your time …

  85. Dr Fredrich V. Lenin

    Wonder if the Real lawyers are giving the fifth rate law failures in politics buggery over the Pell Show Trial? The comrades are re living the glorious days of comrade stalin when to be accused was to be guilty, with confessions beaten out of the accused and threats to punish their families .
    They have brought to justice system into total disrepute ,just as they dragged va fine police force into a public service police service ,destrying its effectiveness .

  86. calli

    Oh, and I am awake. Awake up to a lot of sleight-of-hand that goes on here under the guise of “argument”.

    Usually I just shut up. Which is against my religion. 😃

  87. calli

    Again.

    I didn’t call you an idiot.

  88. Confused Old Misfit

    notafan
    #2950323, posted on March 4, 2019 at 4:24 pm
    You;re welcome.
    Though my grammar and syntax were appalling!

  89. Speedbox

    To the baying crowd, Pell was a marked man regardless of his guilt or innocence. He was “symbolic” and the fact that Pell was a big deal in the Catholic Church, all the better.

    That he could be convicted on the flimsiest of reported ‘evidence’ and highly questionable procedural processes should be a concern for everyone. Pell today, who’s next tomorrow?

    What I find hard to reconcile is how the prosecution managed to convince 12 jurors, supposedly our peers, beyond a reasonable doubt when everything reported to date seems to be a ‘slam dunk’ for acquittal. In fact, how it even get to trial……?

  90. Cassie of Sydney

    I go away and come back and we are still talking about circumcision……it started this morning with “he has a deep psychological problem with all things Hebraic”.

    I’ve had the pleasure to attend many brit milah in my lifetime and I hope to attend many more. They are wonderful occasions….the baby boy gets his foreskin removed and we all have a party with yummy food and lots of dancing. I love them!

  91. thefrollickingmole

    Why is this even debatable?

    Why do the left deny not only science but also observed reality?

    Sports stars weigh in on row over transgender athletes
    Campaigners divided over whether trans women have an unfair advantage in sport

    There is no division, there are people claiming biology is irrelevant and there are those grounded in reality. Its the difference between flat earth/on the back of a turtle and modern astronomy.

    This mob, as stupidly feminist as you could want dispatch the “muh feelz” arguments fairly concisely.

    https://fairplayforwomen.com/biological-sex-differences/

    In Olympic weightlifting, the biggest total weight achieved by a woman was 333kg by Zhou Lulu in the heaviest women’s body weight category, 75kg+. She also won the Clean & Jerk with 187kg, while Tatiana Kashirina lifted 151kg in the snatch.

    You have to go down to men under 62kg to find a champion Zhou Lulu could beat, and under 56kg for a male champion Tatiana Kashirina could beat in the Snatch. Women of less than 75kg couldn’t beat any of the male winners, not even the smallest men.

    NATURE DOESN’T CARE who works at the office/factory, who can fight the hardest or how many different tasks a person can do. Nature doesn’t care if your back hurts. Nature doesn’t care if men get diabetes and have heart attacks, or if women’s bones break in later life. All nature cares about is propagating the species – it doesn’t even matter if most of the young die (look at turtles!) As long as a species has more than enough young to replace itself, and keeps those young alive long enough to reproduce themselves, it’s a job well done as far as nature cares.

    Humans are very, very successful in this respect.

    WOMEN ARE NOT WEAK. Like all other mammals, we need a female sex and a male sex because that’s how we keep the species going. Females sacrifice some physical force in favour of reproductive fitness, because it takes a hell of a lot of specialised strength & stamina to gestate, birth and nurture young mammals. As it goes, women have evolved compensatory strategies (some on this page, more in later posts!) This is a spectacular testament to the all-round power & awesomeness of women … and of men. When we work as a team, we’re unstoppable.

    WOMEN ARE NOT THE WEAKER SEX, JUST DIFFERENT. Blokes aren’t built to grow live human beings out of their own body tissues, recover almost immediately and spend the next year feeding said infant with their own bodily fluid. They’re male. Women are definitely weak when judged against male bone & muscle performance – but you try judging males against the female performance. It is strange that we’ve defined physical strength & weakness in terms of what men’s bodies can do … but that’s patriarchy, I guess!

  92. calli

    Let the entriggering begin…

  93. You sensitive dicks are nothing like us real men who use a bunnings sander to clean it up once a month.
    Or a pressure cleaner and paint scraper if things are really messy.

  94. Cassie of Sydney

    “MatrixTransform
    #2950325, posted on March 4, 2019 at 4:25 pm
    I may be an idiot, but I’m not your idiot.

    Please go ahead and explain how using a scalpel to remove anything from an infant without anesthetic is in any way acceptable in this day and age.

    Take your time …”

    Actually, at a kosher Brit Milah, wine is used as an anesthetic. What’s wrong with that? He get’s his first drink when he is 8 days old…lucky boy.

  95. Confused Old Misfit

    Providing it is performed with skill and in sterile conditions, a superficial procedure lasting less than a second is unlikely to engender any lasting physical or mental harm in a healthy individual of any age.
    The administration of a local anesthetic only introduces another possible vector for infection for no real gain.
    The critical action must be the post procedural care.
    Avoidance of infection is critical to proper swift recovery.

  96. thefrollickingmole

    Though they might do better if they knew the name of Aussie rules.

    Hint: Its not handball.

    https://fairplayforwomen.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/Sport_info.pdf

  97. BrettW

    The below is from the Age today. Guess that makes Setka guilty as charged. Next stage is skipping the trial and just go straight to sentencing.

    Does Doug Smiths definition of arrogant mean not confessing when accused ? When is somebody going to look into the lack of action by VICPOL when they received complaints years ago. Wasnt there a Sgt who finally received compensation / apology for being treated so badly when tried to investigate matters, His career was ruined.

    “the Premier told the ABC’s Jon Faine that there was no evidence to justify the efforts to cast doubt on the conviction and that some of those attacking the verdict were ideologically motivated.

    Mr Andrews was also critical of the church figures offering their support to the convicted sex abuser.

    “I would hope that senior leaders of the Catholic Church across the country would take the opportunity to make it really clear that the Catholic Church is more about victims than it is about itself,” the Premier said.

    Meantime, Doug Smith, the officer commanding Victoria Police’s Taskforce SANO’s investigation into Cardinal Pell, has told the ABC’s Four Corners program that he found the Catholic church “difficult” to deal with.

    Sergeant Smith told the broadcaster that Pell co-operated with the investigation at all times, but that Australia’s most-senior churchman was arrogant”.

  98. dover_beach

    Seriously ” trained experts in sexual assault matters”and “modern, specialist investigation methods” but did not ask about his clothing during mass or raise what was discussed prior to the assault. And also “are dedicated to accessing justice for victims”. Note not justice but justice for the victims. See case above to see how that worked out for the MP.

    Not only that, you would have thought you might at least attend a solemn Mass at Melbourne cathedral in order to get a sense for how the proceedings take place. That you might ask an official of the Cathedral to give you a walk-through the building incl. the grounds, particularly the areas germane to the investigation. The sense I got from the interview is that the investigator was winging it, that he had never done either of these things and therefore could not assess the validity of the claims. Slipshod. And now we read that the liaison to the alleged victim in the Pell case as Smith, who was involved with the debacle that was the Theophanous case. Speechless.

    BTW, I heard someone quote an article that described a SANO investigator as ‘priest hunter’. FMD. You could not find a more prejudicial description if you tried.

  99. Daily Tip #2:

    If the magistrate at your committal hearing is afterwards heard to say “got ‘im!”, it is a good time to emigrate.

  100. calli

    Rambler, they build those tumbrill drivers tough. I understand a dab of paint stripper can dull any slight pain, but that’s only hearsay. As a wymmynses, I really haven’t a clue about Secret Men’s Business.

  101. Dan Andrews exactly as expected

    A bear of little brain

  102. Farmer Gez

    Excellent work BrettW.
    This is starting to look like a very small club of zealots hell bent on prosecution, justice be damned.

  103. “the Premier told the ABC’s Jon Faine that there was no evidence to justify the efforts to cast doubt on the conviction and that some of those attacking the verdict were ideologically motivated.

    If Dan of the Dead said that, I would take it as grounds for exoneration and dismissal of all charges.

  104. Elle

    Haven’t visited the OT since Saturday.
    I see above the topic of the moment is circumcision.

    Oh, and I am awake. Awake up to a lot of sleight-of-hand that goes on here under the guise of “argument”.

    Indeed, calli. Tis quite amusing.
    We’re onto them 😎
    Interesting to see those that align themselves with the one that has form.
    I see he has flounced off.
    He’ll be back. We all return.
    To quote him: “hahahajajajahahahajajaja 😁”

    As to uncircumcised hickory dickory docks 🤢🤮

  105. MatrixTransform

    I know that Calli.

    personally, couldnt care less if somebody was a mormon or a zoroastrian.
    I have acquaintances that are Scientologist (going back to home planet when the rocketship comes back …Felon Musk probably)

    notafan at #2950319, has imagined some ulterior motive for Stimps and then transferred his displeasure onto me. Lurching from one logical fallacy to another.

    Personally I’m not against the practise except where it is routinely performed on infants without anesthetic, care, or consent.

    I think trivialising the practise is almost as barbaric as the practise itself

  106. struth

    It is within this setting that roughly 300 individuals are shot
    and killed by US law enforcement personnel each year (UCR,
    2002). In the neighbouring nation of Canada, roughly 250
    individuals have been shot and killed by police personnel during
    the period from 1980 through to 2000, approximately 10 per year
    (Parent, 2004).

    Should we do some Maths here, Numbers.
    30 mill times 10 = 300 ooo ooo
    So if Canada had the same Population as the States, they’d be killing just as many, near exactly the same.

    I absolutely believe Trudeau’s corrupt socialist government makes Canada so much more Socialist than the USA.
    They are about as bad as us, or closing in.
    They took the guns away.
    The only western country not heading down the socialist path, no matter the march through it’s institutions is the United Armed States of America.
    Now why would that be?

    I know, do you?

    How could you possibly be so stupid as to compare such nations as a free market super power and a sliding into the sewer socialist country like Canada, and even ask.

  107. Beachcomber

    Very thoughtful and passionate piece Struth.
    What are we gonna do?

    How do we fight back against the fascist left establishment?

    One thing we can do is become a member of the Australian Conservatives, help them out in the upcoming election, and vote for them.

  108. Elle

    * Sunday morning. Blurry weekend.

  109. Steve trickler

    Reminds me of a recent court case. Have a guess .

    She’s GUILTY!



  110. calli

    Elle, to be honest, I haven’t seen enough to form an opinion.

    I could say that I’ve viewed only a handful, but that might be taken the wrong way. 🤣

  111. MatrixTransform

    Actually, at a kosher Brit Milah, wine is used as an anesthetic.
    What’s wrong with that?
    He get’s his first drink when he is 8 days old…lucky boy.

    Seriously didnt know that …how much does the little bugger get ?

  112. dover_beach

    “the Premier told the ABC’s Jon Faine that there was no evidence to justify the efforts to cast doubt on the conviction and that some of those attacking the verdict were ideologically motivated.

    What a malicious tartuffe.

  113. lotocoti

    Can’t recall the event.
    Might have noticed at the time.

    Apparently it’s so traumatic you can neither walk nor talk for a year afterwards.

  114. Farmer Gez

    the Premier told the ABC’s Jon Faine that there was no evidence to justify the efforts to cast doubt on the conviction and that some of those attacking the verdict were ideologically motivated.

    Nothing to see in the Red Shirts scam either.
    The Island of Dr Moreau could not have conceived a more twisted pair than Faine and Andrews.

  115. Cassie of Sydney

    “Interesting to see those that align themselves with the one that has form.
    I see he has flounced off.
    He’ll be back. We all return.”

    The next thing that the “one that has form” will be on about will be Kosher slaughtering.

  116. notafan

    not imagined matrix

    you jumped all over me without knowing the background, well known to regulars

    Which is why I called you an idiot

    and demanding consent by an infant for any medical procedure is on par with asking the same infant for permission to change it’s nappy

    you sound like the sort of person that wants to transfer parental rights to the state

    also not a he

  117. Eyrie

    Application of the legal system to Lindy and George reminds me of something Australian combat cameraman Neil Davis once said in an interview. He covered a lot of fighting in SE Asia in th 60’s and 70’s. Asked if it was dangerous he said, not too much. Only got dangerous when one guy nudges the other in the ribs and says ” aim at the 3rd guy from the left, pass it on”.
    Once in the sights of the great criminal justice system you are the “third guy from the left”.

  118. notafan

    Dan is effectively saying there should be no appeal.

    Isn’t that interfering in the judicial process?

  119. Geriatric Mayfly

    As I don’t and wont watch the ABC anymore I will be relying on Cats in the gallery, to be giving a blow by blow account of Pell’s second trial tonight. Scoop Milligan prosecutrix, selected witnesses only, no defence and the inner urban luvvies as judge and jury. Verdict to be delivered via twitter.

  120. Elle

    I could say that I’ve viewed only a handful, but that might be taken the wrong way. 🤣

    Calli! Good lord! You’re not that kind of gal. Leave the “filth” to moi! Though, I have been gagged, so go ahead with the double entendres. You can get away with them. Just make sure you keep a firm grip on the subject at hand.

  121. dover_beach

    Dan is effectively saying there should be no appeal.

    Isn’t that interfering in the judicial process?

    He knows this is being appealed so he should STFU, but no, he is stoking the mob for all its worth. Pure malice.

  122. Knuckle Dragger

    Dover,

    The Coroner, and in certain matters coronial jurors routinely visit the scenes of fatalities in order to orientate themselves with the scene and to work out who did what, when and where.

    There is no reason this cannot be accommodated in a criminal trial. It’s certainly been done before.

    P3ll’s defence offered a visual aid to assist the jury, which I dare say would have put some of the allegations through the most strenuous of tests, but it was disallowed by His Honour.

  123. calli

    I know, I know. Never go the full Benny Hill. It scares the horses.

  124. thefrollickingmole

    I could say that I’ve viewed only a handful, but that might be taken the wrong way. 🤣

    I see what you did there…

    One old Viet lady was asked by her doctor how big her husbands tackle was, she told him she didnt know because it was always dark when they did it.
    True story*

    *well i was told it was a true story, thats nearly the same thing, certainly enough to jail a prelate Id imagine.

  125. MatrixTransform

    you sound like the sort of person that wants to transfer parental rights to the state

    and you sound like psycho biatch with a scalpel

  126. Speedbox

    been gagged

    Do tell?

  127. Exit Stage Right

    Hey Beachcomber,

    Already signed up to AC. Get Coris’ email every week, but apart from that don’t hear much from the Australian Conservatives. They seem to have a pretty low profile. Don’t worry, they’ll probably still get my vote, but I’m already on board, so they should be targetting those not yet converted!

  128. Elle

    I am reminded of you, Bunyip … and not in a good way, with the terrifying bush fires in Victoria. Miss the Bunyip.

  129. Infidel Tiger

    “the Premier told the ABC’s Jon Faine that there was no evidence to justify the efforts to cast doubt on the conviction and that some of those attacking the verdict were ideologically motivated.

    Why has this repugnant piece of shit been ex-communicated?

    Trots around Victoriastan pretending to be a practicing Catholic while promoting euthanasia and abortion.

  130. Elle

    been gagged

    Do tell?

    Not by Sinc. He has a sense of humour.

  131. Rococo Liberal

    Not only that, you would have thought you might at least attend a solemn Mass at Melbourne cathedral in order to get a sense for how the proceedings take place.

    Yes that and the other points you made were all true. But did the defence raise them in court? If not, then it will be very difficult to raise them now.
    The appeal can only succeed if the trial judge unfairly failed to allow admissable to be led by the defence, allowed evidence to be led by the Crown that was inadmissable, did not follow the rules or misdirected the jury.

  132. Ignorant of the process, I’m just a humble tumril driver, but,

    Unanimous guilty verdict – guilty and can be disclosed in subsequent trials
    Unanimous not guilty verdict – not guilty and cannot be disclosed in subsequent trials
    Hung jury – not proven and can be disclosed in subsequent trials

    The idea of retrial until the desired verdict is madness. While this exists, a politicized police and judiciary (e.g. Viktoristan) can just keep prosecuting and trying until the desired result is achieved.

  133. Ignorant of the process, I’m just a humble tumbril driver, but,

    Unanimous guilty verdict – guilty and can be disclosed in subsequent trials
    Unanimous not guilty verdict – not guilty and cannot be disclosed in subsequent trials
    Hung jury – not proven and can be disclosed in subsequent trials

    The idea of retrial until the desired verdict is madness. While this exists, a politicized police and judiciary (e.g. Viktoristan) can just keep prosecuting and trying until the desired result is achieved

  134. Knuckle Dragger

    Mole,

    Expect childbirth to be an Olympic sport by 2024.

    I was going to say alongside interpretive dance, but it already exists as AFLW.

  135. notafan

    that’s amazing considering that circumcision is invariably performed by men

    but tell us more about how infants must consent to medical procedures

  136. Herodotus

    I know, I know. Never go the full Benny Hill.

    Alan Kohler the other day was going the full Garnaut. Never go the full Garnaut.

  137. Geriatric Mayfly

    Sergeant Smith told the broadcaster that Pell co-operated with the investigation at all times, but that Australia’s most-senior churchman was arrogant”.

    Plod meets intellect

    But I repeat myself.

  138. notafan

    I don’t believe previous guilty verdict on similar charge can be mentioned at any trial but with the publicity around Cardinal Pell it would have been impossible for a Victorian jury not to know

    The reason for the suppression order was to try to ensure Cardinal Pell had a fair trial on the second, now dropped charge

    Cardinal Pell getting a fair trial not the slightest bit important to the hate media.

  139. Nob

    Elle
    #2950365, posted on March 4, 2019 at 4:57 pm
    a handful, taken the wrong way, gagged

    Please stop fouling the thread with this smut.

    In other good news, we’ll be drilling again in NZ this year Jacinda (why couldn’t get parents spell?) notwithstanding.

    https://www.omv.com/en/news/181228-omv-closes-acquisition-of-shells-upstream-business-in-new-zealand

    https://www.offshoreenergytoday.com/tamarind-gets-consent-for-development-drilling-at-tui-field-awaits-cosl-rig-arrival/

  140. A go away for a few hours and find a new fred where the fanbelts are arguing with the german helmets.

    Sweet Cheses on a Bicycle.

  141. Tom

    struth
    #2950229, posted on March 4, 2019 at 2:37 pm

    Top read, Struth!

    BrettW
    #2950273, posted on March 4, 2019 at 3:15 pm

    Excellent detective work, Brett (repeated here on the new open fred).

    The Cat is always great value — even when there is a day-long detour into circumcision!

  142. pete m

    Elle, Bunyip was resident of Tassie if memory serves me well.

    re helmets or no helmet, if a boy is taught proper hygiene then no reason to get it deducted. Just lazy parenting imho based on old practice. Religion – well not everything the bible says applies to modern medicine, standards.

    Bit like people who eat left handed and use right hand for toileting – simple hygiene trick.

    Bit deflated last week – have fought inlaws over verdict who insist believe the jury / victim. OK then believe the appeal court when it hands down its verdict – doubt they will. Ashamed to be part of this community of witch hunting cowards.

  143. Arky

    If we are going to keep talking about flutes:


  144. Elle

    I see what you did there, Nob.
    Then you mention Jacinda..
    What a mouthful, Nob.

  145. Nob

    As Pedro suggested on anther thread, with NZ land wells, usual tactic of Maori advocates is to demand directional plans, then announce that the wellpath violates some hitherto unknown sacred site.

    A swag of money is bestowed on them, and drilling proceeds, perhaps with some twists and turns added to the wellpath, which sends a bit of extra business to us technical specialists..

    Ahernia’s ban threatens to disrupt this dignified tradition.

    Anyway, they haven’t tried that crack with offshore weeks yet.

  146. Knuckle Dragger:

    You are entirely correct on the old Fred in saying circumcision of babies is a non-event. Spare me the ‘no consent’ nonsense – it’s practical, cleaner and less prone to nasty girl bugs.

    Then you are going to love the current tosh about getting permission to change a baby’s nappy – from the baby.

  147. dover_beach

    Yes that and the other points you made were all true. But did the defence raise them in court? If not, then it will be very difficult to raise them now.

    I’m just speaking about preparation for the interview in Rome, RL. This is something the police should have done to determine the credibility of the claims against the accused. None of this should have gone to committal.

  148. Nob

    Elle
    #2950390, posted on March 4, 2019 at 5:19 pm

    What a mouthful, Nob

    Just stop it.

  149. Tel

    … demanding consent by an infant for any medical procedure is on par with asking the same infant for permission to change it’s nappy

    Only if you are a moron. Changing a nappy is not going to cause permanent damage. Also changing the nappy is actually necessary, while cutting pieces off the baby is not in any way necessary.

    A 10 year old cannot consent to life changing hormone injections.

    A 12 year old cannot consent to getting tattoos.

    Someone drugged on rohypnol cannot consent to sex.

    This is a really simple concept, but because there’s a religious connotation every incoherent excuse comes out. Try consistency. It works!

    The only thing required to fix the human race is that people learn not to try to make life changing decisions on behalf of other people (especially when completely unnecessary). That it, job’s done. Just that simple thing.

    If you want to prove your dedication to a religion, then do it after you grow up.

  150. Elle

    re helmets or no helmet, if a boy is taught proper hygiene then no reason to get it deducted. Just lazy parenting imho based on old practice. Religion – well not everything the bible says applies to modern medicine, standards.

    I respect your opinion, Pete M.

  151. struth

    Very thoughtful and passionate piece Struth.
    What are we gonna do?

    I’ve done my bit.
    Protested in many ways.
    I’ve stood outside parliament on stage and addressed the crowds in protest of RGR with the convoy I led part of.
    When I got back blokes I knew mumbled about it, and at least a coupla blokes said, why would ya waste ya time doing that?

    I have stood my ground at social gatherings and lost most of the friends I hadn’t really wanted anyway, who started crapping on with their left wing bullshit.
    I’ve ruined many a social gathering, I can assure you.
    Eventually they used to mutter, don’t bring that up in front or Struth, he’ll go off.
    Which I did, and which they deserved, the ignorant, opinionated arseholes they were.
    Glad to be rid of them.
    Same with certain members of the extended family, and Mrs Struth’s sides lefties avoid me like the plague.

    Nobody ever hears a midnight oil song from me, or a “solid rock” and although being an uglier older bloke now, my audiences identify that it’s not your typical leftist on stage, and like it.

    So I stand my ground, and there’s good family and friends here and we have great parties etc, so it’s the left who miss out, not us.
    Life’s too short to tolerate them in the real world.
    Bad enough here.

    What we can do is speak up, any time anywhere.
    They don’t expect it.
    As I was saying to young William yesterday, they work on us being decent, ignoring them, while they blurt out shit but never get taken on.
    We need to go looking for the fight.
    For every numbers that comes here, there are a thousand out there that have never heard a right wing view in their life, and most are silenced immediately, when the first bit of common sense is put to them.

    What we can do, and what I have done, is taken the fight out to the real world, and to be honest, many of you and your observations have helped me formulate the right words at the critical moment and floor the bastards.
    That’s what I originally loved about the sight.
    Intelligent people have excellent ways of cutting through the bullshit, with cutting accuracy.
    It’s helped me a lot.
    I never want to go away saying “I wish I had said that”, like I often used to do.

    I understand it’s harder for some people who don’t look like something you’d think twice to take on, but I do look like that.
    So they get picked up if they step out of line.
    I’m not the tallest bloke in the world but I’m solid.
    If they took a first swing, they’d be hospitalised and I’d enjoy it.

    But the reason I tell you this, is not for the reason you may think.
    Mrs Struth in action is a sight to behold.
    God I love the woman.
    (By the way, she has Jooish blood)
    She will take them on and take no prisoners.
    She’s five foot one.
    And I cheer from the sidelines, because she has it all under control.
    It’s such a pleasure to watch.

    So just fight, and defriend lefties or whatever, clear them out of your life, get in first.

    Sorry, but how can I be friends with someone who believes there are more than two sexes?
    Fuck off, get on with your life etc.
    It’s awesome without leftism, it makes them sad, hey, that’s their problem.
    I know My country is going down but the only time I tolerate being around lefties, is at Christmas.
    There are still lots of good people out there.

  152. Tel

    Spare me the ‘no consent’ nonsense – it’s practical, cleaner and less prone to nasty girl bugs.

    So whatever anyone does to you, if the other guy thought it seems like a good idea then we can say “spare me that nonsense” should you decide to complain. Gosh, is that how consent works these days?

  153. Confused Old Misfit

    The only thing required to fix the human race is that people learn not to try to make life changing decisions on behalf of other people (especially when completely unnecessary).

    Circumcision is hardly life changing!

  154. notafan

    Only if you are a moron. Changing a nappy is not going to cause permanent damage. Also changing the nappy is actually necessary, while cutting pieces off the baby is not in any way necessary.

    You know I am referring to article a while back by a sjw suggesting that, with an underlying sexual theme, that parents should ask a baby if it wants it’s nappy changed

    Whether or not circumcision is for religious reasons or medical or whatever the idea that parents seek a baby’s consent for anything is tosh.

  155. Beachcomber

    Exit Stage Right
    #2950373, posted on March 4, 2019 at 5:02 pm

    Already signed up to AC. Get Cories’ email every week, but apart from that don’t hear much from the Australian Conservatives. They seem to have a pretty low profile.

    The ABC-TASS media censors them with a cone of silence. But they hold members events, including a planned rally against the ABC! Letterbox drops and and door knocking are organised by the Senate candidates in each state, usually through their Facebook pages.

    It often seems be a futile struggle against the power of the UniParty leftist establishment but at least it is an effort to resist. Doing nothing is accepting the boot on the face.

  156. MatrixTransform

    Circumcision is hardly life changing!

    beg to differ.
    Do you have a 3cm …ehem 30cm scar around the top of yr knob?

  157. Confused Old Misfit

    Already signed up to AC. Get Cories’ email every week, but apart from that don’t hear much from the Australian Conservatives.

    Corry needs to find a way to cut through the cone of silence.
    Paid up the membership.
    Volunteered.
    Want some visibility in the Senate.
    Bernardi needs to replace the human headline.

  158. Chris

    I won’t watch the ABC, lest I be tempted to ponder on the musings of a certain valued editor of a certain publication I support.

  159. mem

    Best argument debunking the renewable revolution from the guy that started it:
    https://quillette.com/2019/02/27/why-renewables-cant-save-the-planet/

  160. Chris

    I am of the opinion that the malicious anti-circumcision crowd are mostly of the persuasion that want access to other people’s children, and the degradation of the family’s right to instill values – like approval of heterosexuality – in their own children.
    Honestly, hearing the little petals bleating you would think it was being done daily to adults against their will, using a 3lb hammer and an anvil.
    (Not a bad idea, given what they are doing to our children in the school system.)

  161. None

    Really sad to hear Mark Knight’s home has been destroyed in the fires and in fact the entire town of 200 has been wiped off the map. Devastating.

  162. Do you have a 3cm …ehem 30cm scar around the top of yr knob?

    Yep. Except it’s from failing to bend my knees when I walk through doorways.

  163. Farmer Gez

    Fat boy Murray can’t understand why Abbott and Howard reached out to Pell because of the political ramifications.
    Ethics and decency are a mystery to Paul.

  164. MatrixTransform

    Enjoy yr skin rejuvenating facial creams ladies.

  165. Cactus

    Friend has firstborn girl at primary school for 6 weeks now. She was taught that her body is her space, no one can touch her without her permission and no one is the boss of her body. I understand there are some thing’s that in institutions that need to be spelled out to keep people safe. But you can imagine what happened the first time since she was told by her father she needed to clean her room.

  166. Chris

    Damn I forgot – there ARE no male adults left in the education system.

  167. I absolutely believe Trudeau’s corrupt socialist government makes Canada so much more Socialist than the USA.

    Scroll back and read your original post.

    The more socialist a country becomes, the worse the police get.

    Let’s accept for the sake of the argument that Canada is “so much more Socialist than the USA”.

    You’ve just stated

    So if Canada had the same Population as the States, they’d be killing just as many, near exactly the same.

    So using your own dodgy stats, there must be some other issue causing police to shoot people, other than “Socialism”, if the rate is about the same.
    After all, the Socialistic Canadian police are no worse than the freedom loving US plod. You just said so.
    And by the way, whatever happened to those gun grabbing states, Singapore, Taiwan and Japan?

    In the meantime, read some research on the issue. You might learn something, although frankly I doubt you have any real capacity to digest text, so am linking you to this site which has a very pretty graph.
    If you look at that graph you will note (hopefully) that the police shooting rate (corrected for population) in the USA is three times that in Canada.

    Do what good you can…..

  168. Dr Fredrich V. Lenin

    All this talk about circumcision makes me glad to be a Christian ,they only splashed water on my head ,I still bawled I believe but was left as God made me .

  169. Beachcomber

    Infidel Tiger 5:03 pm

    (The Hunchback) Trots around Victoriastan pretending to be a practicing Catholic while promoting euthanasia and abortion.

    And also enforces homosexualisation of children at schools.

  170. None

    This is correct. The alleged victim got several material facts wrong in his statements, and then, as the exculpatory testimony rolled this or that alleged point of fact, the police simply allowed the accuser to change his statement, again and again. The fix was in the moment Operation Tethering was launched. They were going to pursue even the most ridiculous claims in order to at the very least get Pell to commital, roll the dice with a Magistrate, and here they were indeed very ‘lucky’ indeed to have someone presiding who themselves were interviewed on the ABC alongside a ‘journalist’ that was herself spreading these calumnies against Pell in the year leading up to the committal hearing, and then again roll the dice with a jury, having cultivated the most egregious calumnies against Pell, including have the Commissioner of VicPol refer to the accuser as a victim, rather than as an alleged victim. There is still no corroborating evidence of any abuse against the alleged victim as of today, none at all.

    Seriously, consider each of those facts together. It is just amazing. The stench is putrid.

    Absolutely. I don’t know who stinks most. The Head of the investigation preening in the press today saying oh he cooperated but was arrogant or the arsehole loser dad of the dead man who made no accusation against Pell blaming Pell for his son’s death. Pell is right. This is fantasy and madness. Except in my book I just call it malice and evil.

  171. Confused Old Misfit

    30cm scar

    Now you’re just bragging.

  172. zyconoclast

    Has the hunchback of Spring Street expressed “full confidence” in the VikPol investigation, yet?

    He gave Fatty a kiss and a cuddle a few days ago.

    Enough about mardi gras after party.

  173. thefrollickingmole

    Arky

    Thats an awesome song..

    Even if its about a cuck.

    No way to slow down
    He sees his children jumping off
    At stations, one by one
    His woman and his best friend
    In bed and having fun
    He’s crawling down the corridor
    On his hands and knees

    Apparently its been used in a TV show where it accompanied a mass murder, a near perfect song for it really.

  174. None

    The relationship between Pell’s accuser and his mate – the drug-user who died – is also very very suspicious. The way he wrote him into his bullshit story after he was dead looks like an attempt to shift blame (for something) on to somebody else.

    Yep Fancy having a mate who didn’t even yell out when some dude was shoving his dick into somebody’s mouth. I mean hell AA didn’t even think to keep his mouth shut or just BITE. Dimwitted fraud.

  175. Snoopy

    Australian members of ethnic groups which traditionally perform FGM should take account of traditional Australian norms and voluntarily restrict the procedure to the first two weeks of a girl’s life.

  176. MatrixTransform

    I am of the opinion that the malicious anti-circumcision crowd are mostly of the persuasion that want access to other people’s children

    man, that is a stretch … your kid your scalpel

    Damn I forgot – there ARE no male adults left in the education system.

    actually my son is one of those non-existent male teachers.
    but I will grant you that although he does have a foreskin, I’m not entirely sure he has balls.

  177. MatrixTransform

    I am of the opinion that the malicious anti-circumcision crowd are mostly of the persuasion that want access to other people’s children

    man, that is a stretch … your kid your scalpel

    Damn I forgot – there ARE no male adults left in the education system.

    actually my son is one of those non-existent male teachers.
    but I will grant you that although he does have a foreskin, I’m not entirely sure he has bollox.

  178. dover_beach

    Only if you are a moron. Changing a nappy is not going to cause permanent damage. Also changing the nappy is actually necessary, while cutting pieces off the baby is not in any way necessary.

    There is no permanent damage re male circumcision. There is no loss of function or comfort. Consequently, the analogy to FGM fails. Describing it as ‘cutting pieces off the baby’ is exaggerating the matter grossly. And the reference to consent is a red herring. Children are in the charge of their parents; if there is no wrong committed to the child, the state can mind its own business and not derogate any of the rights that are properly those of the parents.

  179. struth

    I’ve got to ask, how do you blokes go with the tattooing.
    I’m circumcised so I had no trouble fitting a tattoo on my knob.
    It says
    This knob is the property of ……”struth”
    I would like to Welcome you to the Northern Territory and hope you enjoy your holiday here.
    We are happy you chose us to visit and hope you decide to visit us again one day.
    Until you do, I’ll just hang around here until you get back.
    Please feel free to leave a message on any of the free space you will find here.

  180. Confused Old Misfit

    ethnic groups which traditionally perform FGM

    That is a practice which I cannot fathom.

  181. Tel

    You know I am referring to article a while back by a sjw suggesting that, with an underlying sexual theme, that parents should ask a baby if it wants it’s nappy changed

    I am perfectly aware of what you are doing … trying to create a false equivalence.

    Whether or not circumcision is for religious reasons or medical or whatever the idea that parents seek a baby’s consent for anything is tosh.

    The infant never ever gives consent. Ever. For anything, at all.

    Some things (e.g. changing the baby’s bonnet) are amusing and harmless. Other things (e.g. changing the nappy) are necessary. If the baby genuinely needs an operation to save its life then there’s really no other choice. Cutting the baby for religious or cosmetic reasons is not morally equivalent to any of the above.

  182. Stimpy:

    Then tell me how many teen and adult males have had corrective circumcision for health reasons without anesthetic.

    During WW1 & 2, most uncircumcised troops from both the British, Commonwealth, and German sides sent to the middle east war zones were circumcised if they hadn’t been already done. There were thousands of ops done, because they were unable, with the limited logistic supplies, to bathe that regularly.
    And no, there was no anaesthetic.

  183. Stimpson J. Cat

    Position Statements of Medical Societies in English-Speaking Countries

    2003 British Medical Association
    The BMA does not believe that parental preference alone constitutes sufficient grounds for performing a surgical procedure on a child unable to express his own view. . . . Parental preference must be weighed in terms of the child’s interests. . . . The BMA considers that the evidence concerning health benefit from non-therapeutic circumcision is insufficient for this alone to be a justification for doing it. . . . Some doctors may wish to not perform circumcisions for reasons of conscience. Doctors are under no obligation to comply with a request to circumcise a child.

    2002 Royal Australasian College of Physicians
    After extensive review of the literature the RACP reaffirms that there is no medical indication for routine male circumcision. The possibility that routine circumcision may contravene human rights has been raised because circumcision is performed on a minor and is without proven medical benefit. . . . Review of the literature in relation to risks and benefits shows there is no evidence of benefit outweighing harm for circumcision as a routine procedure.

    2002 Canadian Paediatric Society (reaffirmed 1996 position)
    Circumcision of newborns should not be routinely performed.

    2000 American Medical Association
    The AMA supports the general principles of the 1999 Circumcision Policy Statement of the American Academy of Pediatrics.

    1999 American Academy of Pediatrics
    Existing scientific evidence demonstrates potential medical benefits of newborn male circumcision; however, these data are not sufficient to recommend routine neonatal circumcision.

    1996 Australian College of Paediatrics
    The Australasian Association of Paediatric Surgeons has informed the College that neonatal male circumcision has no medical indication. It is a traumatic procedure performed without anaesthesia to remove a normal functional and protective prepuce [foreskin].

    1996 Australasian Association of Paediatric Surgeons
    We do not support the removal of a normal part of the body, unless there are definite indications to justify the complications and risks which may arise. In particular, we are opposed to male children being subjected to a procedure, which had they been old enough to consider the advantages and disadvantages, may well have opted to reject the operation and retain their prepuce [foreskin]….The 1989 United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child states that State parties should take all effective and appropriate measures with a view to abolishing traditional practices prejudicial to the health of children.

    Was there anything else guys or are we done here?
    Have a great day folks.

  184. Confused Old Misfit

    Cutting the baby for religious or cosmetic reasons is not morally equivalent to any of the above.

    You left out hygienic reasons

  185. MatrixTransform

    if there is no wrong committed to the child

    like docking the tails of some breeds of dog right?

    Should we see what the rspca has to say about that?

  186. how do you blokes go with the tattooing

    I have a print of Proust’s “Remembrance of Things Past”.

  187. Confused Old Misfit

    Stimpson J. Cat
    #2950429, posted on March 4, 2019 at 5:51 pm

    Oh Stimpers!
    How incredibly woke!

  188. MatrixTransform

    And no, there was no anaesthetic

    ouch!
    war is brutal

  189. MatrixTransform

    how do you blokes go with the tattooing

    Ayn Rand – Atlas Shrugged

  190. C.L.

    Daniel Andrews went on the Faine show (hey, just like magistrate Wallington and Louise Milligan) and said what he said for one simple reason: as a warning to the appellate judges.

  191. Anne

    Anybody know whether James Clapper’s visit was in the local news?

    George Papadopoulos
    @GeorgePapa19
    Clapper has gone awfully silent since his month long adventure in Australia where he discussed how to cover up both his and Australia’s involvement in spying on me and others. Remember his testimony to Congress. “I never heard of Papadopoulos.” His perjury is going to come back.

  192. Speedbox

    ….and said what he said for one simple reason: as a warning to the appellate judges.

    Yeah, that’s what I was thinking. A ‘shot across the bow’ so to speak.

  193. struth

    You idiot Numbers.
    They were your stats, not mine, from your link.
    Also, I said the more a country becomes socialist, the worse the police get.

    You bought up shooting people, not me.
    There are many things police get worse at, besides just shooting people,and yes, eventually them or the army or whoever will be killing more people, so don’t put words in my mouth, and try for once to comprehend what is written.

    The police get worse by being politicised, threatening and corrupt, by doing many other things than just shoot people.
    As they can because they have the guns.

    However, the USA was turning quite socialist and the democrats have been flooding the nation with the criminal filth of the world, so in that instance, the cops should probably be shooting more.
    The Americans are fighting back.
    And they can.

    A police police being face with hordes of criminals killing more than the corrupt force that isn’t, doesn’t make the prior worse, bob.
    There should have been some shots fired in Melbourne that weren’t precisely because the Victorian police have become politicised due to socialism and it’s inherent corruption.
    You’re a very simplistic moron, with no ability to see the forest for the left propaganda trees.

  194. Gab

    Sergeant Smith told the broadcaster that Pell co-operated with the investigation at all times, but that Australia’s most-senior churchman was arrogant”.

    Oh well arrogance is definitely an indication of guilt. No evidence necessary.

  195. None

    Daniel Andrews went on the Faine show (hey, just like magistrate Wallington and Louise Milligan) and said what he said for one simple reason: as a warning to the appellate judges.

    Correct. We have already seen Andrew’s corrupt conduct with the vote rorts.

  196. Elle

    Was there anything else guys or are we done here?
    Have a great day folks.

    Classic aggressive then passive comment. You forgot the 🤣

    We’re never, ever done when your type are about.

  197. Dismissal

    Where a charge is proved, the court may make an order dismissing the charge without recording a conviction or imposing a penalty.

    https://www.sentencingcouncil.vic.gov.au/about-sentencing/sentencing-options-for-adults/dismissal-discharge-adjournment

  198. Steve trickler

    I can see Jordan Peterson and Milo having a chat in person, in the not too distant future. It is just a hunch.

    We’ll have to wait and see.



  199. Stimpson J. Cat

    I would have given you all of my heart
    But there’s someone who’s torn it apart
    And they are takin’ almost all that I’ve got
    But if you want, I’ll try to love again
    Catallaxy I’ll try to love again but I know……….
    Facts don’t care about your feelings.

    😁

  200. Knuckle Dragger

    Tel,

    It didn’t ‘seem’ like a good idea to ‘the guy’ at all.

    It WAS a good idea by a guy and girl, ie my parents and thoroughly endorsed by the appropriate people.

    And no I wasn’t consulted, as at the time I was busy trying to attach myself to the nearest boob. And if I could’ve voiced an opinion, it couldn’t have been valid as I was an infant and had no life experience to make an evidence-based judgment.

    I thank Yoda every day my parents made that decision. I know a couple of blokes who got snipped in adulthood (ironically, for medical reasons!) and it was a horrific process involving stitches.

    Having an involuntary (ahem) with a (ahem) full of stitches is apparently no laughing matter.

    KD
    Proud helmet owner
    Non-devout.

  201. Also, I said the more a country becomes socialist, the worse the police get.

    You posted a bullshit opinion.
    The stats showed it was bullshit.
    You’ve been thoroughly fisked old mate – get over it.

    And by the way – your second point, you know the one about countries with restrictive gun regulation (like Taiwan, Singapore and Japan) being “socialist” seems to have gone right through to the keeper.

  202. Tailgunner

    I used to shag a top defence lawyer chicky babe.
    Honestly thought it was her. LawyerX I mean.
    I thought the boys were into her sexually, a’la Zara Garde-Wilson.
    What a c*nt.

  203. Beachcomber

    dover_beach at 5:47 pm
    ……… if there is no wrong committed to the child, the state can mind its own business and not derogate any of the rights that are properly those of the parents.

    Spot on. There are significant health and hygiene benefits to circumcision with no damage or loss of comfort or function. The insistence on banning circumcision is another authoritarian exertion of state control over parents’ rights. The opposition to circumcision from all the establishment medical ‘authorities’ really just confirms this.

  204. None

    Stimpson J. Cat
    #2950446, posted on March 4, 2019 at 6:07 pm

    Bloody hell.

  205. MatrixTransform

    —-> 😁

    is that a passive-aggressive smiley, or a sarcastic one?

  206. Tailgunner

    Hey numbersVietnam, do you have a long abiding hatred for the Vietnamese & their communist manifesto?
    Or were they heroic freedom fighters?

  207. Knuckle Dragger

    Winston, 5.20 pm:

    A child is considered incapable of forming criminal intent up to and including ten years of age. Consent to change a nappy from an infant is, of course, well inside the top five stupid ideas in the entirety of human history.

    I don’t know whose concept that was, but I’ll bet my non-existent foreskin that it was a) a woman and b) she is childless.

  208. MatrixTransform

    #2950453, posted on March 4, 2019 at 6:11 pm

    *chuckles

  209. struth

    And as for your second part, heading me off to read some left wing crud, when I did, and quoted the figures you linked to, you called them my “dodgy” figures.

    You don’t even know what you are linking to.

    And as far as Asian countries are concerned, they are still becoming more controlled day by day, so the theory is still correct.
    Now you’ve embarrassed yourself because you don’t even know what you are linking to, it may be time for you to take a little lie down…………………preferably, for the good of Australia, on the Gateway Motorway.

  210. Elle

    Thought you had flounced off, the one who has form.
    But what you were doing was obsessively searching the internet.

    Facts don’t care about your feelings.

    It ain’t about feelings.

    Yours appear to have been affected; with your obsessive cut and pastes.

    If you are genuinely mentally ill, make an appointment with your psych. It appears it’s long overdue.

  211. None

    I was expecting lawyer X to be some hot babe. She’s just a fat chick who wanted someone to fuck her.

    Another reason why Dan Andrews doesn’t want too much heat put on VicPol and the Vic judiciary? Did they let off her drug charge on condition she turn snitch? The police spent millions trying to stop the Herald Sun from going to press with the story so clearly they are shitting themselves.

  212. Exit Stage Right

    Game, set & match to Mr Stimpson.
    Thank you linespeople, thank you ballpersons!

  213. Tailgunner

    We’re never, ever done when your type are about.

    Stimpson only wears Hugo Boss -confirmed!!

  214. dover_beach

    if there is no wrong committed to the child

    like docking the tails of some breeds of dog right?

    The comparison of removing the foreskin to docking the tail of dogs is incredible. We are not talking about emasculation here.

  215. struth

    You posted a bullshit opinion.
    The stats showed it was bullshit.
    You’ve been thoroughly fisked old mate – get over it.

    Nope, commo Bob, wipe your chin.
    I have explained to you what I said and exactly what I meant, twice, because you jumped to a conclusion the first time, being a typical lefty it only matters to you the amount of people shot, and not why they are shot, as there really is no such thing as a criminal vto the left unless it’s Scrooge Mc Duck.

    So go and read what you linked to.
    You’re a fool, and a pompous one which is even better to destroy.
    Which I have just done again,…..yawn.

  216. Knuckle Dragger

    Gunner,

    Zara was quite a looker in the day – a bit on the gaunt side now I reckon. I wonder why that would be?

    Wouldn’t touch her. I know where she’s been.

    And on the general theme – as a wise man once said to me, ‘She might be the best looking bird in the place young feller, but she’s got 12 pound of shit in her guts like everyone else’.

  217. None

    There is a disgusting anti-male circumcision element that is totally anti-Semite or more specifically anti Jewish. You cannot be a male J** if you are not circumcised. Circumcision is not a religious requirement for Muslims Christians and just about everyone else in the world. Ban circumcision you ban J*daism. This sort of covert anti-semitism needs to be forcefully opposed.

  218. None

    There is a disgusting anti-male circumcision element that is totally anti-Semite or more specifically anti J*wish. You cannot be a male J** if you are not circumcised. Circumcision is not a religious requirement for Muslims Christians and just about everyone else in the world. Ban circumcision you ban J*daism. This sort of covert anti-semitism needs to be forcefully opposed.

  219. MatrixTransform

    Game, set & match to Mr Stimpson.

    no wait, obsessive facts (even from colleges of surgeons) are apparently no match for a barren woman with a scalpel and good intentions.

    I vote women should have that useless appendage removed in infancy as well.
    You know, the tongue … i mean typing finger

  220. Tailgunner

    Thought you had flounced off, the one who has form.

    Lol, she’s right!
    But Stimps just went “on retreat”.
    With a Sandra Bullock look-a-like.
    Go Stimpson!

  221. Des Deskperson

    Did anyone else see the television news shots of hereditarily entitled leftist t**d Andrew O’Keefe behaving badly outside the Liverpool St Courts today?

    He was charged with driving an unregistered car, but got off by claiming that his wife managed all that sort of boring stuff and she must have forgot. Blame the little woman.

    Anyway, he lashed out and and threatened the camera crew like the the nasty little NSW ALP scion that he is. He also looked a bit decrepit and shabby, and I guess that he was worried about the cameras picking up his pastry little bald spot.

  222. dover_beach

    Daniel Andrews went on the Faine show (hey, just like magistrate Wallington and Louise Milligan) and said what he said for one simple reason: as a warning to the appellate judges.

    Quite. The matter hasn’t even passed sentencing.

  223. Knuckle dragger:

    I don’t know whose concept that was, but I’ll bet my non-existent foreskin that it was a) a woman and b) she is childless.

    Yes it was a wymminses, but I don’t know her maternal details.
    Nor do I care, because she is obviously a frigging socialist retard.

  224. Tailgunner

    Wouldn’t touch her. I know where she’s been.

    FakeNews.
    😀

  225. Bruce of Newcastle

    Let’s accept for the sake of the argument that Canada is “so much more Socialist than the USA”.

    Of course Canada is much more socialist than the USA.
    Canada has a carbon dioxide tax.
    Only a socialist would tax people’s breath.

  226. struth

    And by the way – your second point, you know the one about countries with restrictive gun regulation (like Taiwan, Singapore and Japan) being “socialist” seems to have gone right through to the keeper.

    I just answered that.
    Hypocrisy much?

    How much did you let slide through to the keeper yesterday, Commo Bob?

    You really want to answer some questions? Because I have some good ones for you, but alas, like a typical lefty you bat away what you can’t answer without (pardon the pun) shooting yourself in the foot.
    And let’s not forget the other plain as the nose on you face fact.
    You don’t even know, and can’t tell us what a socialist country is!!
    Remember, you respect what they call themselves, until you don’t.

    FMD

    So fuck off numbers , you’re embarrassing yourself here.

  227. MatrixTransform

    The comparison of removing the foreskin to docking the tail of dogs is incredible. We are not talking about emasculation here.

    but I thought I was agreeing with you.
    What harm is there in docking a dog, especially a working one?
    dont want that tail getting the way, damaged in a fight, or become a daggy magotty mess.
    Nah, docking as a pup without anesthetic is definitely the right way to go.
    for its own good…. humane in fact

  228. Confused Old Misfit

    Of course Canada is much more socialist than the USA.

    And has legislated the proper use of pronouns!
    Progressives!
    Paying attention to the REALLY important issues!

  229. cohenite

    numbers and guns; the old commie and clapped out nasho.

    A couple of years ago this happened in victoriastan; a muslim following instructions from isis runs over and kills 6 and injures many more; vicplod followed the creep around for hours and had many chances to shoot him; they didn’t and 6 people are dead. Or the Lindt Café siege where police resources went into Operation Hammerhead – stopping a backlash against muslims – instead of shooting the muslim; and when plod went in belatedly after the muslim had executed the manager plod not only managed to shoot the muslim but also kill one hostage, severely wound 2 others and wound several of themselves.

    I go back to this point which numbers ignores: gun violence in the US is disproportionately by blacks, on other blacks and every one else. It’s a huge problem and it is the context for police shootings although there is no racial bias in police shootings.

    The other relevant aspect is US police as in Australia, UK etc, have NO duty of care to prevent anyone being affected by crime. Unlike the US however, Australia has no 2nd amendment.

    It boils to that: as a citizen in a democratic society where a natural distrust of government and individual self-reliance is preferred why shouldn’t citizens be able to defend themselves. We have seen vicpol advise citizens to capitulate when confronted by criminals; this is appalling especially since conviction rates for violent crimes is falling as those rates of crime are rising.

    Numbers is an old creepy commie; individual rights are anathema to him; and since self defence is a paramount individual right it is not surprising the old cuck has wasted so much time here defending disarming the citizenry and maligning the US of A.

  230. Cassie of Sydney

    “Farmer Gez
    #2950409, posted on March 4, 2019 at 5:40 pm
    Fat boy Murray can’t understand why Abbott and Howard reached out to Pell because of the political ramifications.
    Ethics and decency are a mystery to Paul.”

    I stopped watching PM years ago….he is such a lightweight.

  231. Jessie

    For whom the Pell tolls
    Milo Yiannopoulos
    2 March 2019

    As the author of a book on Vatican corruption, I know there are almost no depths to which the progressive Catholic hierarchy will not sink to damage its political enemies. And Cardinal George Pell is the most repellent person imaginable to the so-called ‘lavender mafia’ of powerful left-wing gay bishops in Rome.

    Pell is the feisty, plain-spoken son of a heavyweight boxer; he has a track record of financial prudence and he championed the cause of abuse victims long before Rome took the problem seriously. In short, he’s everything the progressive Left and the corrupt Roman curia hate.

    And boy, did he make enemies when Pope Francis appointed him to reform the Vatican Bank, one of the most cataclysmically mismanaged financial institutions in the world.

    Pell was brought in because he almost single-handedly rescued the Sydney and Melbourne dioceses from bankruptcy, but, as he began to unravel the multi-billion dollar corruption and venality in Rome, he was abruptly – conveniently, you might say – summoned back to Australia to defend himself against sex abuse charges.

    Spectator (subscriber only)

  232. Which I have just done again,…..yawn.

    The only boring element here is your repetition of “Socialist – bad”, because you said so.
    I’ll give you some free advice.
    When you’ve made a fool of yourself it’s better to quietly slink away rather than dig the hole deeper.

  233. Snoopy

    Operation Tethering, the Lawyer X scandal and the Redshirts ‘investigation’ are simply examples of an overarching culture of corruption within the highest levels of VicPol.

    Despite his bravado, Andrews is shitting himself at the prospect of a Pell appeal. The cops have owned Andrews ever since that bloke was knocked off his bike.

  234. Elle

    Tailgunner, you’re actually a funny dude.
    Maybe just clean the bong water every now and then.
    😉

  235. struth

    I’ll give you one question to answer Bob the commo cuck.

    Which police force is more corrupt?
    The police force fighting Mexican drug gangs who are murdering women and children and shooting at them, or a police Force that allows mussies to ra pe young girls in the hundreds, do nothing for fear of being called racist, and arrests people for anti left wing comments on Face book.
    And haven’t fied a shot.

    It’s not a hard one to answer.

    Which police Force is worse?

  236. calli

    I was expecting lawyer X to be some hot babe

    So was I. A Mata Hari type with a voice like Natasha Fatale.

    Disappointing.

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