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Numbers would be proud.
You can keep two conflicting ideas in your head at the same time.
Some trivia, re. Int. W D.
Did you know that universal suffrage in Belgium began in 1958, in der Schweiz in 1971, in Portugal 1978 and in Liechtenstein only in 1984.
My point is, it happened relatively late, in living memory so to say.
Would be interesting to find out if national politics and policies have changed since then, and how?
Would it have been better to keep them in the kitchen a la Struth?
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I did.
I’m not doing it again. The man frightens me.
It is the most I can do to occasionally beg him to post a guest column.
Dr BG
Like 😄
I doubt very much that they will. The optics of doing that at a nursing home is not going to be in their favour. I think it’s all hot air.
Arky
#2953757, posted on March 8, 2019 at 10:35 pm
Arky, I got in contact with a few individuals on this blog via Sinclair and it took less than a few hours.
Something must have gone wrong there if you are still waiting.
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Yes, but those were people you wanted to get in touch with.
Or find something in the study of celestial omens, in the context of psychological tactics at the brink of a battle either at the time of Joshua or at the time of writing of the Book of Joshua, which explains Joshua 10:12-15 (NIV):
That argument is terribly childish. Omnipotence simply requires that God can do whatever is possible.
Peoples!
One needs some assistance here, please. I’d like to arrange some true debates in my workplace between Conservatives and (boo, hiss) Collectivists.
Possible topics:
Capitalism is the only true engine of human advancement
Socialism guarantees that everyone gets to come along for the ride, even if they cannot
Suggestions, my friends?
Roald Dahl
Dr Seuss
Happily dead, but the totalitarian ideas they so loved are still being spread to our children via their books.
Oh alright, Arky. I’ve emailed Sinc. I’m not afraid of him, we both have academic experience, although mine was in a respectable subject and he’s an economist.
Shorter Dr Beau: why doesn’t God do what I would do? What an idiot!
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You should be.
It is said he can lift any stone he can make.
Just don’t start stalking me.
I don’t swing that way.
You atheist deviant.
DrB – as I said:
There. It’s so far past my bedtime I’m quoting myself. However lightning bolts do not fit with what I describe. God giving Joshua’s bunch the strength of arm to win does, since he was favouring his chosen people AND requiring them to have faith in him in return. And the time to do it – in whichever frame of reference, psychologically, internally or externally.
You aren’t considering the spiritual consistency of the Biblical narrative – especially between the OT and the NT. It would also help to view it from a reformed Protestant outlook (see TULIP and the concept of righteousness by faith alone, which was Martin Luther’s eureka moment).
The ‘by faith alone’ bit is especially pertinent since that implies a lack of hard proof. Always the Bible stops short of hard proof. That is because we are asked to believe and have faith in God, that is his exam criterion.
You’re safe from me, Arky. You would be even if I were a poof, I expect. Even poofs must have some standards.
Dr BG everything can be explained.
Mind you, in this case I’m rather ambivalent about the point in question, since being omnipotent one can set limits to one’s own powers too.
So it goes, never a contradiction.
It’s nice to see a young lady giving a big organ a good fuguing.
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Or he can make stones that not even he can lift.
I forget. whichever makes him the more dangerous.
Omnipotence simply requires that God can do whatever is possible.
So why wasn’t Adam circumcised?
God could have created him that way.
Dover, BON?
Leo – That is what DrB and I have been debating all evening.
BoN, if God wants me to have faith in him, he gave me the wrong sort of brain. I infer that He doesn’t.
It would be blasphemous to go against his obvious wishes on the matter.
DrBeauGan
#2953769, posted on March 8, 2019 at 10:47 pm
Oh alright, Arky. I’ve emailed Sinc. I’m not afraid of him, we both have academic experience, although mine was in a respectable subject and he’s an economist.
That’s what you should’ve done in the first place you dill, if I may call you that in this instance.
Arky can request as long as he lives and no contact with you.
Arky
#2953771, posted on March 8, 2019 at 10:49 pm
I’m not afraid of him
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You should be.
It is said he can lift any stone he can make.
I could lift the biggest stone that I made – it was a 9mm kidney stone.
Does that make me omnipotent?
Dahl was an anti Semite, that we do know. He said so himself.
BoN;
I just checked the intarwebs but was unable to find out a basic explanation of “Critical Point of Water” or “Triple Point.”
I realise I am ignorant, but it would help if the explanation was below 100 words.
DrBeauGan
#2953775, posted on March 8, 2019 at 10:53 pm
You’re safe from me, Arky. You would be even if I were a poof, I expect. Even poofs must have some standards.
Mmmm….check out the Mardi Gras thingy regarding “standards”.
My compliments, egg, and thank you. Good to see an organ so thoroughly fuguid.
Stimpson J. Cat
#2953780, posted on March 8, 2019 at 10:56 pm
Omnipotence simply requires that God can do whatever is possible.
So why wasn’t Adam circumcised?
God could have created him that way.
Dover, BON?
Anti-Semite……burn in Hell
One Flew Over the Cuckoo’s Nest was fiction.
Maybe it’s less complicated than you think and you’re just a bit set in your ways?
Stimpy – If you read the Bible you’d have the answer straight away.
Genesis 17
Circumcision was the sign of the covenant between Abraham and God, not between Adam and God. So Adam wasn’t circumcised as far as we know. If you have his foreskin in a bottle I’m sure you could get a good price though.
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No.
Therein lie ALL the inconsistencies.
Because it is covenantal. Anyway, do we know he wasn’t or is Genesis merely silent about the matter?
Dahl was an anti-Semite, that we do know. He said so himself.
Roald Dahl was an anti-Semite?
Enid Blyton was a racist?
My childhood totally destroyed.
☹
I naively devoured their books.
I have no regrets.
You’ve raised this before. What exactly is the inconsistency?
Yes. But you are both reading the Book of Joshua as a modern text, rather than as an ancient one. The author would have been referring to celestial observations as signs in the context of the prevailing method of divination and not implying cosmological intervention by God.
Arky – i watched your video the other day of you unwrapping your Model A engine parts.
When I saw that valve, I thought WTF – how’s that going to work?? I didn’t know the valve guides were 2 piece. Interesting how engines have evolved over the years.
Anyway, do we know he wasn’t or is Genesis merely silent about the matter?
Oh if it’s not in the Book it must be true.
He was a raging anti Semite, Elle.
The movie Chitty Chitty Bang Bang, written by Dahl, is anti Semitic too.
The child catcher character was pretty sick.
Elle
#2953797, posted on March 8, 2019 at 11:11 pm
I naively devoured their books.
I have no regrets.
I like Wagner’s music, detest what inspired him, if it’s indeed true. (Debate still goes on but times and believes change )
If man is an image of God in all respects it follows that God is not perfect.
If you contend that “image” refers only to the physical appearance then the argument does not hold.
However, if you cannot understand why God did not create a perfect world then this might be a reason.
HE could not as HE was not perfect.
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Imagine taking it apart for the first time. WTF hardly covers the panic I was in.
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Add the fact that I was in the middle of making a series of videos pretending I knew WTF I was doing.
This claim may, of course, be naught but human hubris.
Roald Dahl had a very nasty mind. It shows all through his writing. His anti-Semitism was only a part of it.
Arky
#2953806, posted on March 8, 2019 at 11:21 pm
WTF hardly covers the panic I was in.
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Add the fact that I was in the middle of making a series of videos pretending I knew WTF I was doing.
Wow!! You’ve hit on the secret of being an engineer!!!
Image just means semblance or likeness in some respect, not in all respects. The passage does not mean nor has it been read to mean that we are identical to God which follow if we were like in all respects.
Confused Old Misfit
#2953807, posted on March 8, 2019 at 11:21 pm
“So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him;
This claim may, of course, be naught but human hubris.
I sometimes think that Man “created” God in his (Man’s) image.
Part 2. How to make yr fuckups the responsibility of Somebody else
stackja
#2953533, posted on March 8, 2019 at 6:58 pm
I believe Genesis is not a fully scientific account of creation, it just states God created the universe, animals, man. How science is still debating. Science says there was a big bang. I believe God started the process. It seems others disagree. Doesn’t alter the fact something was started by something.
Who started God?
“dover_beach
#2953795, posted on March 8, 2019 at 11:08 pm
So why wasn’t Adam circumcised?
Because it is covenantal. Anyway, do we know he wasn’t or is Genesis merely silent about the matter?”
Adam wasn’t circumcised, Noah wasn’t circumcised. They weren’t J**ish.
The first J** was Abraham. He was the first J** to be circumcised ….because that is the deal Abraham made with God. A J**ish man who is not circumcised is cut off from the J**ish people and incurs the wrath of God. Moses got into big trouble with God because he refused tot circumcise his son so Zipporah, his wife, circumcised their son using a stone.
MatrixTransform
#2953812, posted on March 8, 2019 at 11:26 pm
Wow!! You’ve hit on the secret of being an engineer
Part 2. How to make yr fuckups the responsibility of Somebody else
Wow MT – you’re an engineer too. 🙂
Fvcking hell!
Sure, but circumcision was not limited to Abraham and his descendants.
Zipporah, his wife, circumcised their son using a stone.
Hope it was a sharp stone….. ;(
Winston – Here is the phase diagram of water.
The triple point is titled “Solid/Liquid/Vapour triple point”.
The critical point is called that – see RHS.
This diagram shows what is above and to the right of the critical point.
The Triple Point is just the point where ice, water and water vapour all can exist together in equilibrium. At zero C and 1 atm of pressure.
The Critical Point is where liquid and gas sort of become the same thing. You have heard of supercritical water, which is what HELE coal plants use. It’s steam but with characteristics like a liquid.
You can use CO2 in a supercritical state to dissolve stuff – it is used for dry cleaning to dissolve grease for example. In the supercritical state it isn’t a liquid – yet it can dissolve solutes, like sugar dissolving in a cup of tea. The advantage is if you then reduce the pressure the CO2 returns to a gaseous state and whatever you dissolved is conveniently left behind like a shag on a rock.
In context of the early Earth the atmosphere would have had all our current oceans plus whatever water that has been lost to space since – all in the form of steam. Or supercritical steam if beyond the critical point. There’d be no liquid at all. Then when the Earth cooled below 373 C the supercritical steam would then split into a liquid ocean and water vapour in the atmosphere.
I’m made to change my mind under the acquisition of new facts. Social approval or disapproval doesn’t cut it. Especially if it’s Arky doing the disapproval.
It’s still International Womenzs Day you know.
A touch of humour in a terse debate.
Good one.
I have never once called you crazy Stimpy and I never will because I believe you are in full command of your faculties and therefore fully responsible what are your actions and words. Apology noted and accepted.
Fat Tony
#2953811, posted on March 8, 2019 at 11:25 pm
I sometimes think that Man “created” God in his (Man’s) image.
Shucks Tony, don’t be like that.
I think tomorrow I will make a video on the differences between the A engine and your modern stuff.
The babbitt bearings, side valves, flat head, oiling system.
So what? It’s written in the Quran, how many stones you can use to wipe your clacker – not two, not four, but three being the number of stones that may be used. Soft, decadent, Western Kufar invented toilet paper..
It’s complex. 🙂
Part 3. – becoming a consultant (so you dont have to worry about parts 1 or 2)
I think you’re right.
I did say “If”.
The Noah and the flood bit gets a bit hard, where only a few humans in a boat had kept the breeding line pure from contamination with others. All the crossbreds got wiped out.
If Adam and Eve lived the best part of a thousand years without menopause and kept pumping kids out, that is a lot of failed bloodlines.
[ so what were the failures crossbreeding with, or do we just accept that the flood part is intrinsic to human attempts to make order]
Dude I worked with married his daughter. Lasted about 3 months. He described it as a fucking nightmare.
Preach it, atheist! Honestly, Dr B. It’s a conceit if you think this is significantly more applicable to yourself relative to anyone else here.
Moses got into big trouble with God because he refused tot circumcise his son so Zipporah, his wife, circumcised their son using a stone.
As if God cares if you’re circumcised.
I’m guessing here but is that why J_wish theology affirms Noahic Covenant which covers all people while the Abrahamic covenant covers only the J-ws?
FFS.
Roald Dahl was a misanthrope. It didn’t surprise me at all when I heard he was a crappy father.
Arky
#2953826, posted on March 8, 2019 at 11:31 pm
I think tomorrow I will make a video on the differences between the A engine and your modern stuff.
The babbitt bearings, side valves, flat head, oiling system.
Do you actually pour the babbitt bearings in-situ?
“None
#2953835, posted on March 8, 2019 at 11:40 pm
The first J** was Abraham
I’m guessing here but is that why J_wish theology affirms Noahic Covenant which covers all people while the Abrahamic covenant covers only the J-ws?”
Yes. Non-J**s are expected to follow the following seven Noahide laws….
Not to worship idols.
Not to curse God.
To establish courts of justice.
Not to commit murder.
Not to commit adultery or sexual immorality.
Not to steal.
Not to eat flesh torn from a living animal.
MatrixTransform
#2953828, posted on March 8, 2019 at 11:32 pm
you’re an engineer too
It’s complex. 🙂
Part 3. – becoming a consultant (so you dont have to worry about parts 1 or 2)
Or Part 4: what I am doing now – retiring so you can fuck off the above 3
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Beaugan has this idea fixed in his head that the Christians here are the caricature believers as painted by Dawkins. Believers in some fairy- tale dude living in a cloud.
He gives them no credit for being able to weigh the arguments the same as he has, and simply come down on the opposite side.
Who started God?
Arguing about the existence of God is very different from arguing about the validity and historical truthfuness of a Book written by humans for humans.
Some traditions are great and I’m all for keeping them even though they are nonsense. Like Santa.
But should people in the 21st century really be taking notice of someone 3000 years ago claiming
God told him to hack at his own cock then do the same to his sons?
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You can.
Can be done by an experienced person with the correct moulds.
My bearings are in good nick.
Thanks Cassia. You’d think that we got the easier side of the bargain but when you look around it doesn’t look like it.
Pour bearing metal into mould, then line bore.
Expensive.
Also need jig for correct line boring.
British dislike of J* ws was very different. It was never even close to the murderous hatred you saw on the continent. It was more of a snooty version that you see with American WASPS
An English J*wish friend explained it. One time has mentioned he went /was a member of some club and was asked how he had got in. The person asking was genuinely intrigued because the club didn’t except J*ws.
I think Dahl was also a WW2 ace.
Beaugan has this idea fixed in his head that the Christians here are the caricature believers as painted by Dawkins.
Dawkins is a believer in the shit happens theory of evolution. .
Arky
#2953847, posted on March 8, 2019 at 11:48 pm
Pour bearing metal into mould, then line bore.
Expensive.
Also need jig for correct line boring.
So your original bearings are ok, or when looking at the above procedure, they’ll do the job.
British dislike of J**ws was very different. It was never even close to the murderous hatred you saw on the continent. It was more of a snooty version that you see with American WASPS
An English J***wish friend explained it. One time has mentioned he went /was a member of some club and was asked how he had got in. The person asking was genuinely intrigued because the club didn’t except J***ws.
I think Dahl was also a WW2 ace.
Regardless of how you interpret the Genesis story at some point in history or at some point in the evolutionary process there was a first human.
Here is some old guy pouring Model T Ford Babbitt bearings:
I’m very antisocial. Most people are strongly influenced by the company they keep. That’s how political correctness gets accepted. Plenty of people here have linguistic taboos, for example. I don’t.
Hey Fat Tony,
I exist in the Mr Fixit category of engineerishness with an electrical, electronical and programming bent.
Before doing engineering I was a sparky and our company are still electrical contractors.
I’m the sorry bastard that makes stuff go … like consultants pretend it should
You could find me on a building site pulling wires, or I might be trying to reverse engineer japanese potted thermistors to work out their beta values (so we dont have to pay $50 each for them)
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If they were inserts I would chuck ’em out as a matter of course, no matter what.
Why ‘if’? The word ‘image’ doesn’t denote resemble in all aspects. Never has.
Cassia? Cassie. Sorry.
None
#2953852, posted on March 8, 2019 at 11:53 pm
Regardless of how you interpret the Genesis story at some point in history or at some point in the evolutionary process there was a first human.
Has to be more than one “first human”.
It was probably a visiting spaceship which dumped all their psychiatric patients here to fend for themselves. It would explain a lot.
All jokes aside Fat Tony I was gobsmacked to find out that there are scientists who do actually believe or else seriously put forward the theory that we were seeded by aliens.
NAB have had the quickest backfip in cash rate call in history.
Fat Tony: Call that doctor that owes us a favor.
Louise: Actually we owe him a favor
Fat Tony: Do him two favors and then remind him that he owes us a favor.
Fat Tony
#2953859, posted on March 8, 2019 at 11:57 pm
It was probably a visiting spaceship which dumped all their psychiatric patients here to fend for themselves. It would explain a lot.
I think it were the phone sanitizers that done it for us.
I know a guy who has a PhD Electronical … Scientologist
He’s waiting for the spaceship.
Kid you not
Circumcision is tied up with Covenant. That should not be a new concept for Christians who talk of circumcision of the heart. For the heathen on this blog Covenant goes to relationship and obligations within that relationship. You can sum up the covenant between God and people as: you will be my people, I will be your God.
So he would have knocked off a few boxheads. His reputation is looking brighter again.
MatrixTransform
#2953855, posted on March 8, 2019 at 11:55 pm
I started out in carpentry / construction, then got the shits with that & went to Uni & did Mechanical Engineering (RPEQ, NER).
And I know fuckall about electricity – apart from it being made of smoke
No thanks.
None
#2953860, posted on March 8, 2019 at 11:59 pm
All jokes aside Fat Tony I was gobsmacked to find out that there are scientists who do actually believe or else seriously put forward the theory that we were seeded by aliens.
Why not?
If you are not religious, than it’s as good an explanation as any.
Throw in an undeveloped humanoid native species and it all makes sense.
I find your explanation somewhat lacking.
Cassie’s got the rock, notafan’s got a scalpel, youre giving them the greenlight.
…but its my dick … and what does that have to do with you god?
and technically (sans foreskin) god and I are square
The PhD isn’t restricted to the sane. Stimpy could get one if he tried. Possibly in interpretive dance.
Mark in order for a theory to be plausibleit needs some sort of sensible a priori assumptions and credible mechanisms or some correlative evidence or something. The seeded by aliens theory is fantastical.
That should not be a new concept for Christians who talk of circumcision of the heart.
Yes well we aren’t talking about hearts are we?
It is very easy to talk about losing something you don’t possess and never will.
You literally have no skin in the game.
Stimpson J. Cat
#2953879, posted on March 9, 2019 at 12:11 am
It is very easy to talk about losing something you don’t possess and never will.
You literally have no skin in the game.
😁
Arky – after watching that video on babbitt bearings, they’d want to be pretty bad before you replaced them.
What sort of revs do these motors operate at? Are the pistons heavy & the rods long? Power output?
The PhD isn’t restricted to the sane.
What are you talking about?
Of course they are.
Universities are full to the brim with Sane people teaching Sane subjects creating a Sane world.
Why would I waste my time in a place like that?
Plus I don’t like Commies.
I hope Moses said that to his wife. I bet she didn’t even find a sharp stone.
At the risk of also being call an anti-smite, that was well put Mr Stimpson
(yes, that was a ref to the OT)
That’s very antisemitic.
So is the Adam and Eve stuff. And the Noah stuff. It’s just that you’re used to it and can’t see how dotty it is.
The seeded by aliens theory is fantastical.
All it takes is one spore of alien bacteria on a comet or an asteroid.
I told myself that under no circumstance was I gonna enter a religious debate.
But the whiskey told me to ask about None’s a priori basis for things biblical
I get the faith bit.
I get the intrinsic value of long time standing.
I get the ‘tings’ written that require various readings
I dont get the a priori bit
(yes that was a nod to both Fat Tony and Taleb’s Fat Tony)
The Book of Genesis is one of those multi-authored edited books which was common in the ancient near East whose text eventually solidified. In its final form at least it has a very discernible storyline and Adam definitely was not circumcised. The highlight of the book is the covenant with Abraham and the rest of the narrative – basically really from Genesis until the end of Kings- is about god fulfilling his covenant obligations (land, descendants, light of nations etc). Whether you are a Believer or not, however, the Book of Genesis is a literary masterpiece. I doubt any book in world history will ever surpass it.
Stimpson J. Cat
#2953892, posted on March 9, 2019 at 12:18 am
The seeded by aliens theory is fantastical.
All it takes is one spore of alien bacteria on a comet or an asteroid.
A lot of the water on this planet came from outer space – no doubt various ALFs were in that water.
Others would have just floated down with the ET dust.
You can’t have been near one for quite a while, Stimpy.
Buy you’re right about the commies, which doesn’t do much for your argument.
Buy you’re right about the commies, which doesn’t do much for your argument.
Of course it does.
These are your universities full of your Sane people who you have all taught.
Not mine.
I love how you Sane people all seem to shirk responsibility for their continued existence and creation across all occupations and institutions over the past fifty years.
My people don’t get to have a say.
We are crazy.
We have no influence.
You got us in this mess.
Now it’s all our fault.
I think not.
Beaugan to say that God created heaven and earth is a theological statement. It is to recognise the ultimate source of all being and the relationship of creature to creator and by creature I include all of creation not just human beings. It is not a cosmological statement or Theory in physics . The Ancients never had an issue with this nonsensical either/or science vs religion category which moderns or rather I should say adolescent moderns seem to trip over. It’s for this reason some of the greatest advances in science have been made by those belonging to the synagogue or by church men and women and one could even argue that it is because J-ws and Christians understand God as a rational creator of a rational universe that open the doors for modern scientific enquiry. Conversely you can say that the fact that a finite human being could even begin to understand the Rational structures of the universe is miraculous in itself. Einstein, who was a secular J-w was also quite a philosopher of science and he understood that and expressed that quite eloquently.
Gawd, things go awry in an online forum.
Ive always had an issue with the Infinite Monkey Theorem..
So here we are a planet full of monkeys (well, Apes) all tapping away …
Maybe we’re just random walk in a very very big universe.
…but then maybe we’re not
When J*ws were being chased around the desert they would have needed every drop of water being carried strictly for drinking purposes. When hitting a sandstorm, every orifice would need to be covered, and they certainly couldn’t afford anyone getting sick from having sand under the foreskin. The Old Testament stories highlighted by others above were designed to make sure everyone got circumcised for the survival of the tribe.
These stories have the same purpose as Aboriginal stories designed to stop the kids going down to the waterhole and getting taken by a croc. They are just more sophisticated.
The seeded by aliens theory is fantastical.
And of no use in trying to answer the question of how we got here.
Stimpy, are you going down the Boomers ate my Future path?
The God theory doesn’t help much, either. I’ll stick with evolution.
I’ll go along with that. It describes Newton quite well. But we’ve learned a lot since then. Darwin didn’t get into as much trouble as Galileo, but Arky still disapproves of him.
The God theory doesn’t help much, either. I’ll stick with evolution.
I don’t know what God is, but the shit happens theory doesn’t tick enough boxes for me to get excited about it.
Paul circumcised Timothy, Stimpy. And while the first church council- namely the council of Jerusalem (Acts 15) – affirmed that Christians need not be circumcised it never outlawed the practice and the church never has. In fact to do so is- as I said -to also deny the possibility of J–s being J-ws and for a Christian to do that to their J-wish brothers who are also their forefathers in the faith is outrageous. The Apostle Paul again: Salvation comes from the J-ws. I’m so sorry that you spend your entire life obsessing over your dick but perhaps if you didn’t, you wouldn’t be alone.
Stimpy, are you going down the Boomers ate my Future path?
That’s not what I said at all.
You all allowed this future to happen through inaction and complacency.
Nothing was conserved.
Nothing was saved.
Now we all reap the whirlwind.
Yay.
The thing is Beaugan you actually don’t believe in Evolution because you don’t live your life as if Evolution was the sum and total cause of our existence and in fact you demand of others something more than evolution could ever offer. But that’s ok. As they say hell is locked. From the inside.
I’m so sorry that you spend your entire life obsessing over your dick but perhaps if you didn’t, you wouldn’t be alone.
You really are a lovely specimen aren’t you?
Delightful.
I’m quite a charmer , Stimpy, and I’m glad you recognise that.
the church doesnt make laws None.
resorting to scripture is a cheap trick.
a priori in this sense is no better than a slippery slope fallacy.
Im sure the same case could be made for tossing virgins into volcanos.
Why does every space fill up with ideologues?
another quirk The Force ?
Enjoy yr eternal feast.
The stories that the faithful quote above were designed for the survival of the tribe. When Joos were being chased around the desert, all the water being carried would be strictly for drinking purposes. When a sandstorm hits, every orifice must be covered and no way can anyone take the risk of getting sand under the foreskin and becoming sick.
The aboriginals had monster stories they told to kids to stop them wandering down to the waterhole and becoming croc food. The Old Testament stories have similar intentions.
Matrix what’s that Canon law about then?
There are elements of that too mh but that doesn’t negate sacramental understandings. It gives rise to them.
I never said it was.
I’m not looking for a sum and total cause of our existence. That’s insanely ambitious. I’m happy to have credible explanations for how a world of simple life forms got to having human beings and cane toads, and why the night sky is full of stars and galaxies. I have some reasonably believable theories.
Throwing a God in doesn’t help me there. He doesn’t actually explain anything.
DrBeauGan
#2953922, posted on March 9, 2019 at 1:07 am
Throwing a God in doesn’t help me there. He doesn’t actually explain anything.
No, but it stops one from having to explain anything.
I’ll still go with the idea that some spaceship dropped a batch of their lunatics here about 250,000 years ago.
It makes more sense than some of the stuff I’ve read here tonight.
I pointed out above that saying God is creator is a theological statement not a cosmological one but it seems even basic English is beyond you.
I see that as a drawback. It’s a version of the lefties Shut Up!
so basically you are looking for the San Antonio cause of your existence and you can’t cope with the idea of chance.
I can get by reasonably well without any theological statements. Mine is a simpler, cleaner world than yours. A theological statement is a species of bullshit. I’m allergic to it.
Thanks for finally starting to be honest Beaugan. I have pointed out before that you’re quite a hater.
I suspect your voice 2text is acting up. It doesn’t help.
I’m quite competent at dealing with probabilities.
Nope. Not a hater at all. Just allergic to bullshit and not too polite to point it out.
sdfc
#2953901, posted on March 9, 2019 at 12:36 am
The seeded by aliens theory is fantastical.
And of no use in trying to answer the question of how we got here.
No more fantastical than some of the alternatives being presented here tonight.
And quite a bit more probable, I would imagine.
Yep all those Christians who are at the forefront of physics, cosmology, genetics, medicine and whatever really want you to shut up. For goodness sake. Please grow up, Beaugan. You’re about as jejune as the fuckwitted Dawkins https://www.lrb.co.uk/v28/n20/terry-eagleton/lunging-flailing-mispunching
I’ve had a similar argument with Dover with theology replaced by philosophy. You aren’t allowed to criticise it unless you’re an expert in it, and to mount a criticism is to be doing it. I daresay the doctorates in pole dancing and interpretive dance feel much the same.
Is God monitoring this thread?
Well, of course He is.
Does He give a fat rat’s clacker?
Probably busy with other stuff in His Universe I suspect.
It’s certainly much more interesting. I’m going to bed now and will read one of M C Beaton’s Agatha Raisin murder mysteries. It’s much more intellectually stimulating than arguing with None about words.
Zampa! Kohli gorn.
So is India.
Nu Fred
Oh god, this Megan chick is so self obsessed. And the constant belly clutching is totally weirdo as. And how come Gillard didn’t tell her she is a prostitute now? Lib
Ve how lefties like her slays crawl to royalty even fake royalty like Markle. And frankly we don’t really want the Shari Stone impersonation either. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-6786039/Meghan-Markle-joins-Annie-Lennox-International-Womens-Day-event.html. Harry has married a cLassless bint and I am sorry that the Queen passed over her Commonwealth universities patronage over to these two shallow twits.
I believe the religion you are looking for there is Scientology.
Thanks areff – this is one of my favourite movies – I’ve always loved Better Midler’ talent from the 1970s in For the Boys Bette Midler’s vocals are superb – however, since Better Midler has shown herself to be an off-the=planet privileged lefty the flames of fandom have died to a bare ember
Faith of Our Fathers for me is the greatest hymn -I find its words and music deeply stirring and uplifting – I sang it every Friday at Benediction – then along came the shallow Kumbaya and the milk sop crap which only stirs the guts into nausea.
In spite of dungeon fire and sword.
I liked that bit, the rest was a bit shit.
Having a look at the top five stories from other Murdoch papers below the Oz main page I came across this one.
Kwinana renewable energy plant set to create 800 jobs in construction phase
Hmm, what is a renewable energy plant, and how can you fit one in Kwinana, which is kind of full up. Is it a bunch of windmills? An acre of solar panels? Another soon-to-be-dead wave energy critter?
LOL! It’s a garbage incinerator.
I recall so much greenie howling over incinerators back in the eighties that no one could build any of them anywhere near anyone. Sydney started railing it hundreds of kilometres and dumping its rubbish down the hole of the Woodlawn mine for example.
So now garbage incinerators are ‘renewable energy projects’ and the left loves them!
Oops, mean to post that on the new thread. Thought I was doing so. Too early in the morning!
Get a grip Matrix.
I have never circumsized anyone or caused them to be circumsized.
All I have said is that circumcision is not the same as fgm, which is used either to prevent women being sexually active, or to facilitate gang rape (in the case of Aboriginal enlargement procedures) and I respect the rights of Jews to continue performing circumcision for religious reasons.
I see Troy Bramston is quoting Natasha’s Just-a-Spolier from her position of wealth and high privilege. I never heard her speak about the unbelievably difficult lives of checkout chicks who are trying to help with the family finances while raising children, looking after sick, elderly or severely disabled family members or nurses or aged-care workers, you know the women who do some of the most demanding jobs for some pretty ordinary pay, you know, the women don’t see their jobs as careers, but see their jobs as doing what needs to be done because not everyone can be Natasha’s Just-a-Spoiler – loathsome cow and as a first act, elevated by Abbott to taxpayer-teat0sucker, as roving ambassador for women and girls on the insistence of Julie Bishop (so he told me personally when I raised it with him)
numbers, no numbers … same thing
Get a grip Matrix.
I have never circumcised anyone or caused them to be circumcised.
All I have said is that circumcision is not the same as fgm, which is used either to prevent women being sexually active, sometime literally by sewing them shut, or to facilitate gang rape (in the case of Aboriginal enlargement procedures) and I respect the rights of Jews to continue performing circumcision for religious reasons.
apologies as this will end up a triple post
Get a grip Matrix.
I have never circumcised anyone or caused them to be circumcised.
All I have said is that circumcision is not the same as fgm, which is used either to prevent women being sexually active, sometime literally by sewing them shut, or to facilitate gang rape (in the case of Aboriginal enlargement procedures) and I respect the rights of J ews to continue performing circumcision for religious reasons.
The seeded by aliens theory is fantastical.
The noted astronomers Fred Hoyle and Chandra Wickramasinghe proposed it as a hypothesis, arguing (from calculations) that there was simply not enough biomatter on earth to account for the origin of life here in some “primordial soup”, as evolutionists generally hold. Though an atheist, Hoyle also suggested that only intelligent design could account for the order and variety of biomaterials. Some may judge those theories as fantastical, but it is remarkable where Hoyle’s intellectual candour took him – he was not one for believing that a scientific consensus closed a question!
crazy witch believes its a right to mutilate infants … as long as they’re boys.
Fight ya for the right mole?
yeah, I didn’t think so.
In Genesis 1:27
No deep sleep, no ribs, just clay to make both of them.
Later, in Genesis 2:22
Yep, two wives. The first one, according to myths was called Lillith
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