Wednesday Forum: March 6, 2019

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  1. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Hey, Lizzie. Best to Hairy and you and fingers crossed.

    I’ll add to the Sandgroper Cats, here, Lizzie B. All the best to Hairy, for a full recovery.

  2. Fisky

    Utterly incredible. The federal government are introducing a new program of 15,000 extended aged parent visas (mostly pandering to the Chinese voter bloc). This is at a time when our infrastructure is already in massive deficit thanks to the government’s population ponzi policy.

    This one’s a real beauty too. The Productivity Commission estimated the net cost to taxpayers of aged parent visas at around $400,000 per migrant! All the concern trolls who were demanding open borders to reverse the ageing population, feel free to apologise.

    https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2019/03/new-ageing-australia-visas-available-april/

  3. MatrixTransform

    Hairy can have my Gillettes and he should count himself luck if cant read the bullshit that gets written on the Cat.
    Seriously though … all the best

  4. Steve trickler.

    vr
    #2952255, posted on March 6, 2019 at 11:24 pm
    Steve trickler.

    This was done in the last day or two. He brought along the chief lawyer and Tim Pool is on it as well.

    Cheers and thanks.

  5. Pedro the Ignorant

    Rain on the tin roof at the country retreat.

    Lovely sound. First in months.

  6. MatrixTransform

    sorry about the spelling, my eyesight’s a bit shit too

  7. Oh come on

    The federal government are introducing a new program of 15,000 extended aged parent visas (mostly pandering to the Chinese voter bloc).

    This is madness. And some people here are still saying the coalition is preferable to the Liars?

  8. C.L.

    The homosexual lobby, papal cowardice and George Pell …
    The key words: “The Church should reclaim Her sovereignty.”
    In this great interview with Professor Roberto de Mattei.
    Not a long read but definitely a must read.

  9. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Lovely sound. First in months.

    First since last October, Pedro.

  10. Steve trickler.

    Playing both clips at the same time. So far Jack Dorsey is a wanker, and Rogan is gutless.





  11. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    I’m looking for guidance, here on the Cat.

    I used to spend all my money on whisky, fast cars, and attempting to seduce pretty girls in nightclubs.

    I now spend my money on comfortable walking shoes, scratch resistant reading glasses, and medication for arthritis.

    There’s something missing here, I’m not sure what it is.

  12. Leigh Lowe

    Pedro the Ignorant

    #2952266, posted on March 6, 2019 at 11:37 pm

    Rain on the tin roof at the country retreat.

    Lovely sound. First in months.

    I have been pouring the water on the garden at the country estate over summer.
    This morning .. WTF was that?
    A herd of ducks trampling over the corrugated roof.
    And, jeez, can 4 and 20 ducks produce tonnes of shit.

  13. Steve trickler.

    Rogan is a sellout.

    Dorsey should be getting crucified. And the female from Bend it like Beckham is full of shit.

    Wow.

  14. Bruce in WA

    My BMW 1150RT is a brilliant motorbike, and we are both in love with her. (Yes, “her” — her name’s “Eileen”, as in “I lean” or Big Red (Alan Bond reference)).

    BUT, in no way can she be considered an off-road bike, especially at almost 450 kilos two-up on street tyres!

  15. MatrixTransform

    comfortable walking shoes == saving the planet sans fossil fuels
    scratch resistant reading glasses != beer googles
    medication for arthritis … it could be gout

    progressive score 2/3

  16. Pedro the Ignorant

    The Circle of Life, Zulu.

    Astonishing how things that used to be ultimate objects of desire retreat into the distance as the years roll on.

    I used to love flared jeans.

    God help me.

  17. vr

    steve trickler.

    It is over 3 hra long. It gets better.

  18. Pedro the Ignorant

    Geez, Bruce.
    You should have arced the Beemer up, dropped a knee, hung it sideways with a giant rooster tail and given all the Jap tourists at the Pinnacles something to write home about. 🙂

  19. Bruce in WA

    Geez, Bruce.
    You should have arced the Beemer up, dropped a knee, hung it sideways with a giant rooster tail and given all the Jap tourists at the Pinnacles something to write home about. 🙂

    Would have loved to! 😀

    Unfortunately, I don’t think Her Ladyship on the back would have been too impressed!

  20. Steve trickler.

    vr
    #2952283, posted on March 7, 2019 at 12:11 am
    steve trickler.

    It is over 3 hra long. It gets better.

    When does Rogan go on the attack? Dorsey should have been destroyed in under 5 mins. And that idiot alongside him.

    Embarrassing.

  21. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    I used to love flared jeans.

    God help me.

    May God have mercy on your soul, Pedro but as a younger Zulu Kilo, six feet four of muscle and hormones and without an ounce of spare fat, I was told I looked pretty good in a body shirt…

  22. Steve trickler.

    Rogan is fucking useless….. so far my gut instinct tells me he will not improve.

  23. mh

    Ann Coulter is right

    “And that’s why I do not think it is principled at all … for Rand Paul to be voting against the National Emergency declaration,” Coulter said. “Look, I know this may sound principled to the libertarian types, but I’m sorry – it is an emergency just because no one else was willing to deal with it, no other president.”

    “Compare it to every other declared National Emergency and ask how many Americans were being killed by those National Emergencies compared to this National Emergency,” Coulter continued. “I don’t think this is principled at all. For those of you who know anyone who votes in Kentucky, you should tell them to call and complain to Senator Rand Paul.”

  24. Bruce in WA

    I lived in Broome many years ago and loved the place.

    Really like this version of the Pharrell Williams song set in Broome (except for the dick with the hair, beard and eyebrows!! :-()

    My old school and one of the kids I taught there actually feature …

  25. Pedro the Ignorant

    Godalmighty, body shirts.

    I had forgotten such an abomination existed. Alongside those tie died shirts that changed colour when you, ahem, heated up around the opposite sex.

    Being somewhat on the vertically challenged side, I loved those clog shoes with 5cm built up soles and heels. Lifted me to respectable height.

    Sadly, the sheilas shoes back then had 10cm height enhancement.

    Natural equilibrium restored.

  26. Steve trickler.

    Jesus Christ!

    All over red rover for you Rogan. Horrible performance. You gutless prick!

  27. EvilElvis

    My BMW 1150RT is a brilliant motorbike, and we are both in love with her. (Yes, “her” — her name’s “Eileen”, as in “I lean” or Big Red (Alan Bond reference)).

    Time to trade in for a GSA, Bruce. Get serious. 😉

  28. bespoke

    JC
    #2952198, posted on March 6, 2019 at 10:02 pm

    All you need is a coffee and you’re good to go.

    What no smoke?

  29. Lysander

    My boss in the lunchroom gleefully told me “fuck Pell” today. Charming. I told him “I was going to complain to HR as to why my boss forced me to give him a head job.” It’s the same level of evidence! Oh, he went quiet real quick. 😂

    @embritts

  30. stackja

    Herald Sun report – Bunyip fire family say Vic Police constable assaulted Charlie age 19. Vic Police say Charlie assaulted police constable.

  31. Steve trickler.

    That “lady” from twitter is scum of the earth. A weasel.

  32. Steve trickler.

    Jack Dorsey. You gutless piece of shit.

  33. None

    Very interesting interview C.L. Money quote:

    So is Francis’ Papacy a political one?

    Yes, it is. And his leitmotif is immigration. On February 14, when meeting representatives of indigenous populations at the International Fund for Agricultural Development, the Pope called for a “cultural miscegenation” among the “so-called civilized populations”. Which signifies the elimination of the Christian roots which John Paul II and Benedict XVI had [both] insisted upon.

    And what is “miscegenation” for him?

    Miscegenation for Francis is not only cultural, but ethnic. It seems his project is that of an ethnic replacement of the European population – in stark demographic decline – with the new waves of African migrants…

    But why all this?

    Francis has an ideological vision that originates from his cultural formation.

    And what would that be?

    That of a man who has absorbed progressive theology through the mediation of Liberation Theology. It is the utopia of the “brave new world”. Except that he is reintroducing it 30-40 years after its failure.

  34. None

    Arma, you coulda been a contender tonight. We’ll just call you Jules.

  35. None

    So do I have this right? Julie Bishop wants so edgier to replace her in Curtin because there are not enough gays and lesbians in the Liberal party?

  36. Tom

    Did I mention that on top of his Trump Derangement, Abbott Derangement, Pell Derangement, Murdoch Derangement and Alan Jones Derangement, David Rowe has Hanson Derangement?

  37. Bruce in WA

    Time to trade in for a GSA, Bruce. Get serious. 😉

    Thought about it, but the saddle’s too high and ‘Er Indoors don’t like it one bit. 😀

  38. None

    Thanks Tom. I think David Rowe needs a psychiatrist or an exorcist or probably both.

  39. None

    Andrew Bolt calls it a tug of love
    A lesbian gets a gay friend to father her child Milos turkey baster arrangements. Then she and her subsequent girlfriend want to move to New Zealand. the child’a father and his boyfriend get a upset. They spend hundreds of thousands fighting over kid. Enter attorney general who basically says a sperm donor should be a parent. The poor kid didn’t deserve this.

  40. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Stiglich, Cross and Gorrel certainly hit home on the big issue today, Tom: some solid visual reminders that the US is heading down a very unpleasant path. Communists may have failed in Russia but it seems they are doing well these days in the Land of the Free. Free stuff. Will we see the US motto changed from God Bless America to God Help America as Venezuela beckons its tantalizing siren call?

    And we who are soon to be ruled by those who happily invited Venezuela here to instruct us too, have they changed their spots? Unlikely. It doesn’t matter however many times socialism ends in blood and tears, they always want to try again, and they will use any false narrative to gain power to enforce another go.

    Climate change, anyone? First and last, they come for the children.

  41. Notafan

    It’s all in the language

    Sperm donor

    Father

    And kids invariably have an interest in knowing who their father is

    Funny that

  42. Delta A

    Lizzie, all the best for you and your Hairy.

    Trying times indeed.

  43. 132andBush

    Lizzie,
    All the best wishes for Hairy and you.
    Tough mob the Irish.

  44. None

    OMG Lizzie I ignored The catallaxy Golden Rule and scrolled back and yikes! Best wishes to Hairy and to you too. Yes hang on to every bit of good news.

  45. Rockdoctor

    Simmering protest that has been going on near Ipswich about a development that has popped up on Ch 7, News.com studiously ignoring again. Put aside the issue of corruption that is coming out in Ipswich & simmering just below the surface in Rockhampton, Bundy & Townsville between developers & Councils. My only question is if the development is on freehold land?

    If so looks like again those who said Mabo would never encroach on Freehold were naieve at best.

  46. “Compare it to every other declared National Emergency and ask how many Americans were being killed by those National Emergencies compared to this National Emergency,”

    Some media hound should ask Coulter why 30000 plus Yanks being killed annually every year by firearms is not a “national emergency”.

  47. It doesn’t matter however many times socialism ends in blood and tears, they always want to try again, and they will use any false narrative to gain power to enforce another go.

    Haven’t noticed an outbreak of “blood and tears” in New Zealand, Norway, Denmark, Finland, the Netherlands, Sweden, and Ireland.
    They must be doing that socialism thing wrong……

  48. Eyrie

    I’ll let Joe Bethancourt explain it.

  49. Eyrie

    Stick around. It takes a while for socialism to work its evil.

  50. vlad

    Pancake day down under.

    JC was sceptical that we’ve been celebrating pancake day in Australia since way back when.

    This won’t shut him up course.

  51. dover_beach

    The homosexual lobby, papal cowardice and George Pell …
    The key words: “The Church should reclaim Her sovereignty.”
    In this great interview with Professor Roberto de Mattei.
    Not a long read but definitely a must read.

    Yes, yes, yes

  52. Boambee John

    Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
    #2952253, posted on March 6, 2019 at 11:23 pm
    Blythe Pepino and Alice Brown say they are so scared about the future of the planet they do not want to have children.

    How would these snowflakes have survived the Sixties, and Seventies, where the threat was of a global thermonuclear war, and a nuclear winter, that only the cockroaches would survive? Inquiring minds want to know.

    Unfortunately, their parents did not adopt the policy they now propound.

  53. Shy Ted

    ABC News running a spirited defacto defence of child abuser Michael Jackson this morning.
    SBS Viceland have a program this afternoon Camel Beauty Pageant.
    Nothing for you and me except the bill. Ita, start earning your money.

  54. dover_beach

    Haven’t noticed an outbreak of “blood and tears” in New Zealand, Norway, Denmark, Finland, the Netherlands, Sweden, and Ireland.
    They must be doing that socialism thing wrong……

    By this standard, the UK, Germany, and US of the 1910s and 1930s were socialist states.

  55. None

    Cassie just saw the Bolt editorial well done well done.

  56. Mater

    Some media hound should ask Coulter why 30000 plus Yanks being killed annually every year by firearms is not a “national emergency”.

    Because

    An oppressed class which does not strive to learn to use arms, to acquire arms, only deserves to be treated like slaves. – Vladimir Lenin

  57. Top Ender

    Try this instead:

    Some media hound should ask Coulter why 72,000 plus Yanks being killed annually every year by drug overdose is not a “national emergency”.

    There you go.

  58. stackja

    Gippsland teen in hospital after flare-up with cop on Bunyip blaze frontline
    Genevieve Alison, Herald Sun
    March 6, 2019 8:30pm
    Subscriber only

    A Gippsland family who lost everything in the Bunyip bushfire says they are “devastated and ­disgusted” that their teenage son is in hospital after an altercation with a police officer.

    Charlie Clarke, 19, was on Wednesday night recovering after the ­altercation, near Tonimbuk, that afternoon.

    Speaking to the Herald Sun from his hospital bed, the teenager claimed he was grabbed by the throat and thrown to the ground by the policeman, who then turned on his mother and younger sister.

    Police on Wednesday night stood by the senior constable, alleging the teen had been “restrained” after becoming verbally aggressive as the officer was sitting in a police car.

    The Clarke family had been trying to pass a roadblock on the way to a vet clinic after finding their pet cat with badly burnt paws.

    The Clarke family had watched in horror as TV cameras captured their home and winery bursting into flames on Saturday.

    Charlie claimed he had approached the officer to ask for his name and badge number after an incident on Saturday in which the officer swore at him and Herald Sun cartoonist Mark Knight as they tried to pass a roadblock to gather supplies for evacuated residents.

    “They way he spoke to me was disgusting — he told us to stop whinging about losing our home and that it wasn’t his fault,” Charlie said.

    “I wanted to report him so when I saw him I asked for his name and that’s when things got ugly. He grabbed me by the neck and drove my head into the ground.

    “My mum was in complete shock and screaming and then he goes and grabs her by the neck too.”

    Charlie’s sister Lucy Clarke, 16, witnessed the incident and said she had “not stopped shaking since”.

    Charlie was on Wednesday night in a stable condition at Warragul Hospital.

    A Victoria Police spokeswoman said: “As the member stepped out of the car the man is alleged to have pushed him to the chest.

    “The man was then restrained and taken to the ground to prevent any further altercation. Police called an ambulance as a precaution after being informed the man had an unrelated injury.

    “The man was released pending summons in relation to assault police.”

  59. Cassie of Sydney

    “Lysander
    #2952303, posted on March 7, 2019 at 1:30 am
    My boss in the lunchroom gleefully told me “fuck Pell” today. Charming. I told him “I was going to complain to HR as to why my boss forced me to give him a head job.” It’s the same level of evidence! Oh, he went quiet real quick. 😂

    @embritts”

    Well said…..back in October, at the height of the Kavanaugh hysteria, I was at a function and two male friends were getting stuck into Kavanaugh…saying that the women had to be believed…..I looked at both, smiled and then said I was going to go to the police that day. They said why. I said I was going to the police to tell them that both of you had sexually assaulted me five years ago…..well their jaws dropped and they both had an incredulous look on their faces and then one said that “it wasn’t true”. I laughed and said “who cares……I don’t any evidence…. I’m a woman and I have to be believed”.

    They got the message!

  60. stackja

    2GB Peter Switzer said growth numbers due to ALP policies.

  61. Bruce of Newcastle

    Some media hound should ask Coulter why 30000 plus Yanks being killed annually every year by firearms is not a “national emergency”.

    I don’t know Numbers. Maybe you should ask the lefty media why they aren’t reporting what Melania says.

    Melania Trump jabs at media over coverage of opioid epidemic (5 Mar)

    First lady Melania Trump on Tuesday chided the media for its focus on “trivial stories,” urging reporters to dedicate the same amount of coverage to the country’s opioid epidemic.

    Trump spoke at a town hall event in Las Vegas in the final stop on a three-state tour for her “Be Best” campaign to raise awareness around the opioid crisis and other issues affecting children. In her initial remarks, the first lady lamented that 72,000 Americans died in 2017 from overdoses.

    Hey it even looks like she has the number right Numbers. How amazing is that?

  62. Mater

    Disarmament is the ideal of socialism. There will be no wars in socialist society; consequently, disarmament will be achieved…..Only after the proletariat has disarmed the bourgeoisie will it be able, without betraying its world-historic mission, to consign all armaments to the scrap-heap. And the proletariat will undoubtedly do this, but only when this condition has been fulfilled, certainly not before. – Lenin

  63. Top Ender

    For anyone interested in hearing more on the Herb Kriloff story – the now-deceased officer of the USS William B Preston and its survival on 19th Feb 1942 – I’m doing a radio i/v on ABC Darwin 105.7 at 710 Central time.

  64. By this standard, the UK, Germany, and US of the 1910s and 1930s were socialist states.

    Spot on, with the exception of Germany, which was in the hands of a well-known fascist.

  65. Percy Popinjay

    They got the message!

    I’ve already told some anti Pell hysterics that I hope they end up in front of a jury of handpicked imbeciles on trumped-up criminal charges in Victoriastan (after the ALPBC and the Aged have run an incessant media demonisation campaign against them) and then tell me how much they like it.

    Fuckwits.

  66. cohenite

    Spot on, with the exception of Germany, which was in the hands of a well-known fascist.

    Fuck off you disease ridden, clapped out old commie; communism owns hitler, stalin, mao, pol pot and every other bastard leader except the muslim ones.

  67. Tom

    …back in October, at the height of the Kavanaugh hysteria, I was at a function and two male friends were getting stuck into Kavanaugh…saying that the women had to be believed…..I looked at both, smiled and then said I was going to go to the police that day. They said why. I said I was going to the police to tell them that both of you had sexually assaulted me five years ago…..well their jaws dropped and they both had an incredulous look on their faces and then one said that “it wasn’t true”. I laughed and said “who cares……I don’t any evidence…. I’m a woman and I have to be believed”.

    Absolutely brilliant, Cassie.

    We really do need a manual of activism that responds to Alinsky’s fascist bible, Rules for Radicals I’ll volunteer to edit it if Cats are interested in putting one together online.

  68. dover_beach

    Dover, anyone who has spent time around such situations would know the claims are farcical.

    Nick, I understand that, but that is the point of using a reenactment, in order to assist those who haven’t spent time around such situations. It also explains why the failure of the ABC to even attempt such a thing indicates how tendentious are Milligan’s doco. Just consider one of the elements that the accusation relies on: immediately after Mass, not a single altar boy, priest, the Sacristan or his assistant returns to the sacristy in a space of 6-10 mins in order to return and clean the sacred vessels, and the like. Further, not a single member of the public notices what is alleged to have occurred in the sacristy even though the door is left wide open for those 6-10 mins while the corridor is bustling with people at the end of Mass.

    And yet a jury believed beyond a reasonable doubt…

  69. cohenite

    This is it; a defining moment for this country:

    Plans for Chinese-backed coal-fired plant in NSW’s Hunter Valley could reignite the climate wars

    Chinese-backed plans to build a massive new coal-fired power plant in New South Wales are reopening hostilities in the so-called climate wars.

    The Greens say a “veritable army” is ready to stop the plant from being built.

    But Coalition backbencher Craig Kelly calls the plan “fantastic” and is urging Prime Minister Scott Morrison to pour taxpayer subsidies into it.

    “This is exactly what the market needs,” Mr Kelly said, adding competition from the new plant would lower power prices.

    “If the Government needs to underwrite it, if it needs a little bit of help, then that’s what we should be doing.”

    Greens energy spokesman Adam Bandt says the plan is “madness”.

    “It will make the Franklin Dam campaign look like a Sunday picnic,” Mr Bandt said, referring to the successful movement in 1983 to stop a dam being built in the remote Tasmanian wilderness.

    “We just had our hottest summer on record. If Labor or Liberal [parties] give this project the tick of approval then you will see civil disobedience in Australia on a scale never seen before.”

    The political tensions revolve around revelations the massive Chinese state-owned China Energy Engineering Corporation (CEEC) plans to build 2000MW of new coal generation in the New South Wales Hunter Valley, north of Sydney.

    Cessnock council’s director of planning and environment Gareth Curtis told the ABC the council has been briefed about the proposal, but state planning procedures would take many months before any potential approval.

    He confirmed a failed industrial zone had been nominated as the site for the building of twin 1000MW plants utilising high intensity, high efficiency coal-fired technology.

    The planned generation capacity would exceed that of the aging Liddell power plant, located some 80 kilometres away and due to close in 2022.

    The Federal Government’s Foreign Investment Review Board is likely to take an interest in the company behind the deal.

    CEEC is reportedly a key investor in one of China’s largest military-civil investment vehicles and recently signed an energy and infrastructure deal with Egypt’s military ministry.

    Boasting 160,000 employees, CEEC built China’s famous Three Gorges hydroelectric project.

    In more recent times it’s constructed a nuclear power plant for Pakistan and several coal-fired power stations in the India, Indonesia, Ghana and Vietnam.

    Chinese President Xi Jinping officiated the opening of two projects in the Philippines, indicating a close link between the Chinese leadership and the company.

    Energy Minister Angus Taylor’s office issued a statement saying it was aware of the deal but declining further comment.

    Shadow environment minister Mark Butler voiced opposition to the plans in a statement of his own.

    “Labor’s long standing position is no taxpayer money should go to subsidising new coal power, and no carbon risk indemnity, which could cost taxpayers up to $17 billion, should be provided,” he said.

    “All the advice we’ve received says new coal plants are more expensive and can’t compete with firmed renewables to deliver dispatchable power.”

    All the parties are present: weak, vacillating libs, mad dog greens and lying filth alp.

  70. Bruce of Newcastle

    Germany, which was in the hands of a well-known fascist.

    I was amused by this story from last week.

    Soros Foundation Demands Brussels Step Up War on Poland ‘Or EU Won’t Survive’

    Last time socialists of the national and international varieties stepped up war with Poland it didn’t go too well for the socialists, although it took until 1989 for Poland to get the final victory.

    And now we have the national socialists of the EU and the international socialists of Soros Foundation at it again. Will they ever learn?

  71. Gab

    Bruce, that was an excellent video done in Broome. And not a pc statement in sight!!

  72. The “Hitler was a socialist” meme is a creation of the loony tunes chapter of the US alt right.
    It is a comparatively recent development. It has gained traction in the US Harpic* blogosphere, but is ignored anywhere where serious history scholarship is respected.
    When I was studying political history at U of Q in the seventies, anyone suggesting that Hitler was a socialist would have been laughed out of the tutorial.
    The National Socialists completely ignored socialism’s primary aim (replacing the existing class-based society with an egalitarian system in which workers owned the means of production) substituting their own topsy-turvy agenda.

    They replaced class with race, and the dictatorship of the proletariat with the dictatorship of the leader.

    By any definition you care to cite, the Nazis were not socialist, just as North Korea (DPRK – Democratic Republic of North Korea) is not democratic.

    *Clean round the bend.

  73. mh

    I stand with Poland 🇵🇱

  74. MatrixTransform

    They got the message!

    nice chops Cassie

  75. Gab

    Good letter, Cassie! Well done you.

  76. Tom:

    Not at all, Cassie. We live in a world that is simply one of moral cowardice. Our ancestors would be ashamed.

    ✔️

  77. communism owns hitler, stalin, mao, pol pot and every other bastard leader except the muslim ones.

    Come on – you’re simply not trying hard enough.
    I reckon you could easily prove that Osama Bin Laden was a Communist if you searched the rantings of Alex Jones, or trawled through Breitbart.

  78. dover_beach

    Spot on, with the exception of Germany, which was in the hands of a well-known fascist.

    Not at all, if socialism is just tax as a percentage of gdp then Germany in the 1910s and 1930s was clearly socialist. As was the UK, the US less so. Further, by that measure the US today is socialist given that local, state and federal taxes combined constitute over 40% of US GDP.

  79. None

    This is the way China gets more of a foothold in our country by building the infrastructure or in this case an energy power plant that we need because fuckwitted lefties fuck up any opportunity for any Australians or at least friendly overseas investors to do the job. F**k lefties.

  80. dover_beach

    The National Socialists completely ignored socialism’s primary aim (replacing the existing class-based society with an egalitarian system in which workers owned the means of production) substituting their own topsy-turvy agenda.

    They replaced class with race, and the dictatorship of the proletariat with the dictatorship of the leader.

    By any definition you care to cite, the Nazis were not socialist

    Notice how numbers earlier was happy to define socialism as just high taxation as a percentage of GDP so as to include Denmark, Sweden, and Norway, but now includes talk of dictatorship of the proletariat, workers owning the means of production, etc. which would then exclude Denmark, Sweden, and Norway, only because he is embarrassed that the earlier definition included Nazi Germany as socialist.

    What a tangled web you weave, numbers.

  81. MatrixTransform

    *Clean round the bend.

    do try to stop using so much toilet paper

  82. 1735099

    Not at all, if socialism….

    On this blog, “socialism” has an astoundingly flexible definition, strectched, moulded and shaped to suit any situation.
    Like beauty and bias, it’s in the eye of the beholder.
    Note “eye”, singular.
    We’re talking about one-eyed opionistas.

  83. C.L.

    Our mentally ill country …
    ABC Online is always the best way to gauge it:
    1. Public memorial planned after beloved, friendly croc shot in the head.

    A Far North Queensland community is mourning the loss of a large saltwater crocodile believed to have been deliberately shot …
    Now, residents are planning a “memorial day” for the big saltie.
    “It’s very, very sad for Cardwell,” long-time resident Thea Ormonde said.
    “We saw Bismarck as part of our community, he was such a gentle soul as far as crocodiles can go,” Ms Ormonde said.
    “He was one of us.”

    2. There’s an important thread missing from the abortion conversation.

    Abortion is on the election agenda, thanks to a bold policy move from Labor.
    The Federal Opposition has pledged to make access to abortions easier, by requiring public hospitals to provide termination services, or risk having federal funding cut.

  84. areff

    Interesting start to Neil Mitchell’s 3AW show this morning as the Ego at the Microphone lambasted Dan Andrews for not coming on his show, the premier insisting he gets “abused” and won’t tolerate it.

    Mitchell was at a loss as to what he might do to reconcile with Victoria’s beloved Leader.

    And there’s your problem, and Victoria’s problem, both directly and by inference.

    Instead of going in boots n all on Andrews, Mitchell pines for the days when he could give him a little stick and not much more.

    And the corollary: the rest of the Vic press with whom Andrews talks are amenable and sufficiently incurious not to ruffle his feathers.

    Compliant press reporting from bended knee + crooked premier = everything that is wrong with the rule of law and its non-enforcement in the Garden State.

  85. Mater

    The National Socialists completely ignored socialism’s primary aim (replacing the existing class-based society with an egalitarian system in which workers owned the means of production) substituting their own topsy-turvy agenda.

    The Tax in Kind – V. I. Lenin 1921

    So Lenin wasn’t a Socialist?

  86. Snoopy

    Socialism or Fascism? In Australia super funds controlled by the ALP’s industrial wing can now, whenever they choose to, control the activities and policies of every Australian company listed on the ASX.

    Chris Bowen is bold enough to boast about it and the ALP is even in government yet.

  87. Snoopy

    isn’t even in government

  88. min

    Numbers, suggest you listen to Stephen Hicks and Jordan Peterson comparing Communism and. National Socialists . Hicks approaches from the philosophy mostly out of Germany starting with Nietzsche and explaining the journey to Socialism. Same with Peterson with a more psychological approach . Both men are smarter, betterread than you however I do notice certain ideologues cherry pick.

  89. Woolfe

    Put this on twitter Cassie

    @woolfe

    If you support @nibhealthfunds you support facism. Boycott them. #iamanactvisttoo. Please retweet

    Everyone with a twitter account should do so.

  90. 1735099

    So Lenin wasn’t a Socialist?

    On Catallaxy, everything is possible….

  91. 1735099

    I do notice certain ideologies cherry pick.

    Now there’s a Catallaxy reader who pays attention.

  92. Snoopy

    The Qantas Assure health fund is just rebranded NIB.

  93. IT;

    Yes I must atone for my ample girth.
    Turns out gluttony and slothfulness aren’t great for your health either.

    Bullshit. Tell people you’re a Prepper and saving food in a way no one can steal it.
    Unless they’re into cannibalism.

  94. Leigh Lowe

    The Qantas Assure health fund is just rebranded NIB

    Which has succumbed to the baying mob and pulled advertising from Bolt.

  95. dover_beach

    On this blog, “socialism” has an astoundingly flexible definition, strectched [sic], moulded and shaped to suit any situation.

    Physician, heal thyself!

  96. Mater

    On Catallaxy, everything is possible….

    Weak, Bob, weak.

    Did you even read it or is it too inconvenient for a ‘Political Historian’, such as yourself?

    If you’re struggling, just post that ABC article again. Seems to be the panacea for both you and monty.

  97. dover_beach

    CL’s link above:

    “This of course is a fundamental part of women’s health. To be able to provide free contraception is a really important thing.”

    How is contraception a fundamental part of women’s health? Will women fall sick without it? And not only that, it must be free! Liberalism, the wreck of Western culture.

  98. Compliant press reporting from bended knee + crooked premier = everything that is wrong with the rule of law and its non-enforcement in the Garden State.

    + 1 areff

  99. Dragnet

    Jim Saleam also studied Political History at Uni of Qld in the 1970’s and came away (happily) convinced that Hitler was a socialist.

  100. Dragnet

    Hey Numbers, you have heard of the Strasser brothers haven’t you?

  101. Good to see people above putting people straight over the so called “evidence” in the Pell case. I have been doing the same, especially with Catholics I know.

  102. Snoopy

    On the ALP’s policy, the peak body in Plibersek’ home state does it’s best to clarify the policy imperative.

    The NSW Family Planning Alliance said most abortions cost around $400-$500, which was out of reach for some.

    “We speak to many women who find it very challenging to find the money,” spokeswoman Dr Deborah Bateson said.

    “If you couple that with travel costs and accommodation costs we really need to look at how we can get rid of these inequalities.”

    Dr Bateson said the rate of abortion in Australia was dropping and free services were unlikely to see it increase.

  103. Mother Lode

    She told Good Morning Britain: ‘We do not know what Sparrow’s gender is yet and, as regards to her anatomy, we choose to keep that secret except for a small list of caregivers.’

    Oops.

  104. stackja

    Hornsby Labor candidate Katie Gompertz sorry after calling Alan Jones an ‘old dog’ and all politicians liars
    Rose Brennan, The Daily Telegraph
    31 minutes ago
    Subscriber only

    Exclusive: Labor’s candidate for Hornsby has been forced to apologise over offensive social media posts in which she compared Donald Trump to Adolf Hitler, called Alan Jones an “old dog” that should have been put down and said all politicians are liars.

    In a 2016 Facebook post Katie Gompertz called top-rating broadcaster Jones a “fat while entitlement (sic) man” and said “this old dog should have been put down years ago”.

    The candidate for the Upper North Shore electorate, who calls herself a “social justice warrior”, also claimed on Facebook in 2014 that “politicians are liars”.

  105. Old School Conservative

    Communism, socialism, Marxism, Islam, and all their offshoots all have one aim: totalitarian rule.
    Debate all you like about who is what variety but their ultimate goals are identical, and the pain and suffering of the people are likewise identical.

  106. Plans for Chinese-backed coal-fired plant in NSW’s Hunter Valley could reignite the climate wars

    cohenite – the most worrying part is the small number of voices of reason.

    too afraid to speak the truth?
    too dumb to see the truth?

    one or both of these?

  107. Nelson Kidd-Players

    Intersectionality between the fascism discussion and my binging on PragerU:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m6bSsaVL6gA&list=UUZWlSUNDvCCS1hBiXV0zKcA&index=237

    If 5½ minutes is too long, watching at 1.5 speed is still comprehensible.

  108. Eyrie

    The Nazis were just slightly smarter communists. Instead of stealing the means of production from those who owned it and knew how to make it happen and shooting them or sending them to the Gulag, they realised they didn’t know how to run things so they let them continue to run things but simply ordered them to produce the things the Nazis wanted.

  109. Old School Conservative

    BrettW
    #2952429, posted on March 7, 2019 at 9:42 am
    Good to see people above putting people straight over the so called “evidence” in the Pell case.

    The post-training beers last night saw exactly the same thing happen. People who were firm “Get Pell” advocates were stunned to hear facts like the 10-2 acquittal verdict in his first trial, the stop put on gathering of exculpatory witness statements, and the role of the DPP in getting the case to trial.
    They live in an ABC dominated universe.

  110. Eyrie

    “free services were unlikely to see it increase.”
    “free” simply means someone else pays.

  111. dover_beach

    ‘I’m in a multi-adult family, there’s three of us with an eight-year-old and a one-year-old. All the adults in our household identify as transgender – I’m legally married to one and in a relationship with another,’ she said.

    The likelihood of physical and/or psychological abuse occurring here given these indicators is ‘off the Richter’. Of course, given what is already being said it is occurring as we speak.

  112. struth

    Haven’t noticed an outbreak of “blood and tears” in New Zealand, Norway, Denmark, Finland, the Netherlands, Sweden, and Ireland.
    They must be doing that socialism thing wrong……

    Good Moaning.
    FMD.

    The confused old commo is at it again.

    New Zealand is Socialist, Norway is, those that call themselves socialist he respects that that is the case , like National Socialist, .
    This bloke has no idea and is confused some may say.

    The point I make is some trolls really are confused.
    He knows what he is doing and he just keeps trying to push the lies.
    That’s the evil.

    In defence of socialism, he calls certain countries socialist based on certain criteria, and others socialist based on other criteria.
    He was obviously brainwashed in Uni, but that was many years ago, and he has no excuse at his age, to keep on with the uni student activism of the arrogantly ignorant.

    Hitler being a socialist is not a relatively new meme at all.
    He called himself a socialist, and his party, and was a socialist in all of his behaviour.
    ALL OF IT.
    He was known as a socialist during world war two, and people from the free world knew they were going to fight socialism.

    Typically, the “meme” that Hitler wasn’t a socialist was taken from the fact that Stalin said Hitler was to the right of Socialism.
    Not to the right of politics.
    Hitler couldn’t be hidden like the millions of deaths behind the Iron curtains could be, so had to be disowned.
    Basically “that’s not real socialism” or “that’s not my socialism” was pushed and Hitler, much later after WW2 became magically right wing.
    You will never find one commentator on any film produced during world war two talking about Nazis, or any Newspaper at the time and immediately thereafter, calling the Nazis extreme right.

    So the old commo comes on here doing the same thing it always does, and tries to muddy the waters.
    The recent pushback , as numbers calls it, or the new meme, is not new at all, it’s called the truth.
    The problem for the left is that there is still a vast number of people out there that haven’t swallowed the line that a national socialist is not a socialist, and as the left recently became more racist with their cultural Marxist identity politics, and calling anyone who disagrees with them , a “nazi” that they got some push back, and reminded of reality.

    Quite simply, the insanity of the left in calling everyone Nazi has led to the saner right wingers to remind you that the left was Hitler.
    And the left are segregating by race, anti Joo-ish, totalitarian scum , using violence to stop opposition voices.

    The funny thing (although it’s not funny at all) is watching him slip in his own dribble as to regard which country is socialist and why.

  113. Arky

    I’m legally married to one and in a relationship with another,’ she said.

    ..
    You are an evil, manipulative, selfish slut.

  114. OldOzzie

    Nadler’s ‘Obstruction’ Quest

    The examples he cites as crimes are legal presidential actions.

    By WSJ The Editorial Board

    Well, we’re off on the march to impeachment, as we predicted last year even as Democrats said it wasn’t on their minds. With Chairman Jerry Nadler’s subpoena swarm from House Judiciary this week, and his assertions that President Trump obstructed justice, the articles of impeachment are apparently awaiting only the collection of the readily available details to fill in the blanks.

    “Do you think the President obstructed justice?” asked ABC’s George Stephanopoulos on Sunday.

    “Yes, I do,” replied Mr. Nadler. “It’s very clear that the President obstructed justice. It’s very clear—1,100 times he referred to the Mueller investigation as a witch hunt, he tried to—he fired—he tried to protect [Michael] Flynn from being investigated by the FBI. He fired [FBI director Jim] Comey in order to stop the Russian thing, as he told NBC News.”

    Credit Mr. Nadler for candor that Democrats didn’t display when they campaigned last year. Then they talked only about holding the President “accountable.” Now they claim they already have enough to impeach Mr. Trump, though as Mr. Nadler admitted Sunday, “you have to persuade enough of the opposition party voters, Trump voters . . . that you’re not just trying to steal the last—to reverse the results of the last election.”

    That may be harder than he imagines, and not only because of Mr. Nadler’s Freudian slip there of “steal.” Based on the public evidence so far, Mr. Trump hasn’t obstructed justice in any of the examples Mr. Nadler cited. Mr. Nadler wants to turn the President’s exercise of his normal constitutional powers into impeachable offenses.

    The case against Mr. Nadler’s obstruction theory has been made in these pages by former Attorney General Michael Mukasey and appellate lawyer and our contributor David Rivkin. Attorney General William Barr also made the case in his 2018 memo to the Justice Department when he was still in private life.

    A President can obstruct justice while in office but only if he is committing a per se illegal offense. That is, if he suborns perjury or destroys evidence, or commits “any act deliberately impairing the integrity or availability of evidence,” as Mr. Barr put it. Presidents Richard Nixon and Bill Clinton committed such acts in Mr. Barr’s view, but Mr. Trump has not as far as we can see.

    On the other hand, a President cannot obstruct justice when he takes actions that are consistent with his Article II powers under the Constitution. That includes in particular firing inferior executive-branch officers such as Mr. Comey. Such acts may be politically stupid, but they aren’t obstruction.

    Mr. Trump’s motive in firing Mr. Comey doesn’t matter. If a President commits a legal act but can be accused of a crime because of his motive, then any presidential action can be called into question based on an accusation of motive. This would open a Pandora’s box that would leave any political officer vulnerable to charges of obstruction. That would include an Attorney General who declined to prosecute someone whom Members of Congress wanted him to indict. Congress could essentially rule the executive branch.

    Mr. Trump’s comments to Mr. Comey about Mr. Flynn also aren’t obstruction for similar reasons. The President is the chief law enforcement officer and can advise on cases as he wants. Such meddling is unwise and politically dumb, but it isn’t obstruction.

    “On their face, the President’s comments to Comey about Flynn seem unobjectionable,” Mr. Barr wrote in his 2018 memo.

    “He made the accurate observation that Flynn’s call with the Russian Ambassador was perfectly proper and made the point that Flynn, who had now suffered public humiliation from losing his job, was a good man. Based on this, he expressed the ‘hope’ that Comey could ‘see his way clear’ to let the matter go. The formulation that Comey ‘see his way clear,’ explicitly leaves the decision to Comey. Most normal subordinates would not have found these comments obstructive.”

    In any event, nothing was obstructed. Robert Mueller was appointed to investigate what Mr. Nadler calls “the Russian thing,” and Mr. Flynn was prosecuted. As for Mr. Nadler’s attempt to criminalize Mr. Trump’s charges of a “witch hunt,” try selling that to the public.

    Perhaps Mr. Mueller will report new facts that are damning. But it’s notable that Mr. Nadler and other Democrats are now saying they will expand their probes beyond Mr. Mueller’s ambit. They seem to be expecting a factual and political disappointment.

    Democrats seem hell-bent on impeaching Mr. Trump, and most of the media will be cheering them on. We’ll wait to see all of the facts they assemble. But the legal bar should be high, the crimes real, and the Constitution protected if they want to “steal,” er, reverse, an election.

    Appeared in the March 6, 2019, print edition.

  115. Arky

    Or someone in that situation is manipulative.

  116. dover_beach

    The post-training beers last night saw exactly the same thing happen. People who were firm “Get Pell” advocates were stunned to hear facts like the 10-2 acquittal verdict in his first trial, the stop put on gathering of exculpatory witness statements, and the role of the DPP in getting the case to trial.
    They live in an ABC dominated universe.

    Excellent, though I would focus on the fact that there was no corroboration of the complainant’s statement, that he amended his testimony repeatedly, in fact, was allowed to do so by VicPol as successive interviews by VicPol of relevant individuals contradicted the complainant’s statement, for instance, in relation to when and where the incident was alleged to occur. Raise the testimony of the Master of Ceremonies who testified that he would always remain with the Archbishop until he had left the disrobed and left the Cathedral, that the DPP had to argue that not a single priest, altar boys, of the Sacristan had returned to the sacristy for at least 10 mins after Mass even though the sacristy is one of the busiest places immediately following Mass, that not a single person came forward recalling that the Archbishop was absent immediately after his first or second Mass since being appointed Archbishop of Melbourne, and so on.

    They will also be astonished at the verdict in light of this and regard it as a travesty.

    Of course, had there been no suppression order the public would have learned this and that through daily reports of the proceedings.

  117. struth

    Fascism is hardly any different to socialism, it’s again totalitarianism and was allied to Hitler.
    Who was an out and proud socialist.

    Hitler controlled the means of production and was a complete socialist through and through.

    Because of it’s very nature, there can be only one warlord, only one winning totalitarian, so the different forms of socialism, as it is with Islam, fight each other.
    Because communists fought Hitler, doesn’t make Hitler a free market, individual responsibility, small government right winger at all.

    The mentality of denying that there is always some animals more equal than others as an outcome of the worker’s paradise, so there will always be totalitarian rule in socialism is excused in 188 year olds for six months after being brainwashed at uni.
    It is not excuse in 71 year old commos.

  118. Arky

    Everything old is new again.
    Didn’t all youse old bastards try the free love and unusual households in the 60s and 70s, and get burned badly? Then went all greed is good and white picket fence in the 80s?

  119. dover_beach

    Correction: until he had left the disrobed

  120. Arky

    I think I saw stuff like that in Vanishing Point and Easy Rider.

  121. Fisky:

    Big business supported this phoney for years until he turned on them. Seriously, the corporations thought they could buy off Labor by saying nice things about gay marriage, climate change, etc, and it would be business as usual. Not this time.

    Schadenfreude.
    The crocodile has eaten everything else, and now it’s the Business end of town to supply nutrients.
    Shorten will probably bring in a compulsory union official seat on the Board of Directors.

  122. Geriatric Mayfly

    “We speak to many women who find it very challenging to find the money,” spokeswoman Dr Deborah Bateson said.

    The Slovenian Hag’s ploy is just another Labor ruse to socially engineer hospitals and their staff who may object on moral grounds to this ‘procedure.’ If it’s only $400 or 500, a special contingency could be provided by Centrelink to cover the ’emergency.’ We’ll see then, how many challenged women go ahead and use this money where it is supposed to be spent.

  123. Old School Conservative

    Thanks for the strategy advice dover.
    I’ll use it next time.

  124. mh

    Donald J. Trump
    @realDonaldTrump
    ·
    3h
    It is shameful that House Democrats won’t take a stronger stand against Anti-Semitism in their conference. Anti-Semitism has fueled atrocities throughout history and it’s inconceivable they will not act to condemn it!

    Not inconceivable when you consider Nazi collaborator George Soros is pulling the Democrat strings.

  125. Old School Conservative

    I’m late to the party, but well done Cassie.
    Powerful stuff and hopefully copycatable.

  126. thefrollickingmole

    SBS Viceland have a program this afternoon Camel Beauty Pageant.

    If thats the one with the pom bird doing the story its worth a watch for uncle pervy the wealthy old Arab who shes following around for the story.

    His contempt for her and repeated attempts to engage her “services” are awesome.

    Doesnt matter the question it comes back to “How much for the leeeetle girl” complete with pricing if shes a virgin or not.

  127. ZK2A:

    There’s something missing here, I’m not sure what it is.

    Old age begins when you start spending more money on drugs than you did when you were young.
    – from the Book of Winston.

  128. struth

    Donald J. Trump
    @realDonaldTrump
    ·
    3h
    It is shameful that House Democrats won’t take a stronger stand against Anti-Semitism in their conference. Anti-Semitism has fueled atrocities throughout history and it’s inconceivable they will not act to condemn it!

    Not inconceivable when you consider Nazi collaborator George Soros is pulling the Democrat strings.

    So surprising!
    Everything that left wing Hitler did, is being repeated by his left wing troops today.

    They are collectivists.
    YOU MUST be a collectivist before you can be a racist.
    Different races will be higher or lower up the totem as the situation may require, but the left wing racist mind finds the people who thrive or have introduced and practice right wing capitalism the as races that are the enemy.
    Not the individuals that practice it.
    The left wing mind doesn’t comprehend black Trump supporters and collectively group them as stooping before the enemy race as uncle toms.
    It’s always about race, as it was with Hitler.
    There is always a race to blame.
    Very, very sick minds.

  129. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
    #2952253, posted on March 6, 2019 at 11:23 pm

    Blythe Pepino and Alice Brown say they are so scared about the future of the planet they do not want to have children.

    These bloody fools are the sort that need to be kidnapped and sent to the slums of South America.
    Interview the survivors next year.

  130. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Unions to stage nationwide anti-Coalition protests during federal election campaign on April 10

    Ewin Hannan
    Workplace Editor
    @EwinHannan
    15 minutes ago March 7, 2019
    1 Comment

    Unions will hold nationwide anti-Coalition protests during the federal election campaign, with tens of thousands of workers expected to walk off the job on April 10.

    A meeting of the ACTU executive in Melbourne today passed a resolution calling on workers to join the capital city protests next month.

    “The ACTU calls on working people to stand up for the fair go, for fair wage rises and better job security, by participating in national political protests on the 10th of April 2019,’’ the resolution, seen by The Australian, says.

    “If we do not stand up for the fair go and demand political parties take action to turn around inequality, we will see the Americanisation of our society.

    “This is not something Australian unions are prepared to accept.’’

    The resolution condemns the Morrison government for policies which have seen workers “suffer the largest declines in living standards in decades while the wealth of billionaires continues to soar’’.

    It also criticises the government “for its refusal to even acknowledge that Australia is in an income recession’’.

    “The policies and actions of the successive Abbott, Turnbull and Morrison led Liberal/Coalition governments are responsible for creating this insecure work and low wage crisis.’’

    ACTU secretary Sally McManus will announce the rallies at a media conference scheduled for 12.30pm today.

    From the Oz. Bring on the protests, that should do the Coalition vote no end of good. All those whinging knuckledraggers…

  131. 1735099

    18 year olds….

    I was 24 when I began studying history (on a NS rehab scholarship post Vietnam).
    I’m still studying history at post graduate level.
    The facts of history haven’t changed, but the interpretations have.
    Clear evidence of that is all over this forum.

  132. notafan

    One can only assume that their climate science is as good as their investigative reporting

    Because choir boy robes are exactly the same as the Archbishops.

    Brennan’s second argument is about clothing. Pell, he says, would have been wearing an alb under a heavier chasuble. Brennan makes the alb sound like a chastity belt. It extends down to the ankles, and only has slits in the sides for access to trouser pockets, and is secured by a cincture, or rope around the waist.

    I’ve spoken to someone who wore an alb as an alter boy, who says the cincture is easily untied, the alb is a light garment, which could easily be swiveled to make the penis available. The chasuble has no sides.

    The charge here is that Brennan himself has worn the alb thousands of times, and would know that it presented no impediment to Pell. The charge is that Brennan has chosen the church over truth.

    from climateplus.info

  133. C.L.

    Compliant press reporting from bended knee + crooked premier = everything that is wrong with the rule of law and its non-enforcement in the Garden State.

    Add to that fear.
    Judge Roland Freisler enjoys silencing the state (if not the country), threatening Liberal MPs and muzzling the media (excepting the ABC).
    Meanwhile, Victoria Police rigs prosecutions and the magistracy takes its cues from John Faine.

  134. C.L.

    Trump slams Democrat Party’s bromance with Nazism:

    Donald J. [email protected]

    It is shameful that House Democrats won’t take a stronger stand against Anti-Semitism in their conference. Anti-Semitism has fueled atrocities throughout history and it’s inconceivable they will not act to condemn it!

  135. Which Bolt editorial, Cassie?
    Got a link, or a hint of which one?

  136. notafan

    None of the countries on your list are socialist, liar.

    You will probably have conniptions about what Denmark is doing with refugees these days too.

    a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.

    Taking Humpty Dumpty as your role model is not a good idea.

  137. dover_beach

    No problem, OSC. Here is illustration anyone can use involving an AFL club as the example. VicPol and the DPP asked the jury to believe beyond a reasonable doubt that an AFL coach, in his first or second game coaching for the club, immediately following the end of the game, raped two members of the cheer squad in the team room without a single club official or player or club confrère or member with access to the rooms or journalist noticing the absence of the coach or the alleged rape. That neither a single club official or player or club confrère or member with access to the area or journalist even approached the team room whose door was allegedly wide open during the first 10 mins post-match. In fact, many of these same people provided exculpatory evidence that the coach would not be unattended immediately following a match, that the head of a cheer squad never recalled two members missing, and on and on.

    I think people will quickly see that the Cathedral allegation is not only nonsense on stilts and that the verdict is a travesty, but that this charge should never have even proceeded to committal hearing leave alone trial. That somewhere along the line, fists had weighed on the scales of justice.

  138. Gab

    Cardinal Muller (prefect emeritus of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, Rome) on the injustice of the Victorian judiciary. Pity only one Bishop in Australia has spoken out against this travesty. The rest of them just cower.

    http://www.ncregister.com/blog/edward-pentin/cardinal-mueller-cardinal-pells-conviction-against-all-reason-and-justice

  139. mh

    Jexodus!

    Jexodus describes itself on its website:

    We are proud Jewish Millennials tired of living in bondage to leftist politics. We reject the hypocrisy, anti-Americanism, and anti-Semitism of the rising far-left. Progressives, Democrats, and far too many old-school Jewish organizations take our support for granted. After all, we’re Jewish, and Jews vote for Democrats.

    Until today.

    We are determined and we are unafraid to speak for ourselves. As combatants and veterans of the campus wars, we know the threat progressivism poses to Jews. We’ve had front row seats witnessing anti-Semites hide behind the thin veil of anti-Zionism. We know the BDS movement harbors deep hatred not only for Israel, but for Jews. We’re done standing with supposed Jewish leaders and allegedly supportive Democrats who rationalize, mainstream, and promote our enemies. We’d rather spend forty years wandering in the desert than belong to a party that welcomes Jew-haters.

    Breitbart

  140. Tom

    Nadler’s ‘Obstruction’ Quest
    The examples he cites as crimes are legal presidential actions.

    LOL, OldOzzie. Here’s the latest Chip Bok ‘toon that didn’t make this morning’s roundup (because Nadler is such a nobody outside of Washington DC, let alone in Australia).

    The abuse of Congressional power now underway is frightening. If you think it won’t be as bad under Peanut Head and the Liars, you’re on drugs.

  141. Top Ender

    The argument about whether the Nazis were socialists or not can go on for ages, and consume lots of your reading and research time.

    The best club to hit your opponents over the head with is simply their name.

    They were called the National Socialist German Workers’ Party.

  142. None

    An aspiring nurse who internally concealed 394 ecstasy capsules at a Sydney music festival has broken down in tears after being told she would likely go to jail.

    Tina Thanh Truc Phan, 18, was originally sentenced to just 80 hours of community service for attempting to smuggle the drugs into the festival late last year.

    The New South Wales Director of Public Prosecutions decided to appeal against the leniency of that sentence and Phan faced Parramatta District Court on Wednesday.

    But there Phan ran into Acting Judge Norman Delaney, whose no-nonsense prediction of Phan’s fate left her in tears.

    ‘I’m in the process of sentencing 10 people in her situation and they’re all going to prison,’ Acting Judge Delaney said.

    ‘Every single one of them.’

    Good.
    Most of them young Asian women. Most seem to be part of one cohort. Aspiring nurse? Fuck me who’d want this bitch to be their nurse? She’d steal your painkillers to sell. And how many of these dealers are here or got here via student visas? Jail them and if possible boot them out.
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6776343/Woman-concealed-394-ecstasy-caps-body-music-festival-going-jail.html

  143. OldOzzie

    Thanks Tom,

    Here’s the latest Chip Bok ‘toon – sums up Nadler’s Quest perfectly

  144. C.L.

    Hitler love euthanasia, abortion, animals, the environment and thought of himself as an ‘artist.’
    He hated Jws, meat, smoking and the Catholic Church.
    His unconventional preference in marriage was very much love is love.

    He was utterly indistinguishable from every single leftist in Australia.

  145. cohenite

    Old School Conservative

    #2952433, posted on March 7, 2019 at 9:52 am

    Communism, socialism, Marxism, Islam, and all their offshoots all have one aim: totalitarian rule.
    Debate all you like about who is what variety but their ultimate goals are identical, and the pain and suffering of the people are likewise identical.

    Correct; deadshits like numbers will distinguish between Nazis and commies on the basis of a scintilla of ideological esoterica which has as much relevance as a mad woman’s fanny. But the fact is there is no difference between living under hitler or under stalin or under mao or under pol pot; all of whom creeps like numbers support and wish to emulate.

  146. The best club to hit your opponents over the head with is simply their name.

    You obviously believe North Korea is a democracy.
    It is called DPRK.
    The “D” stands for “democratic”, in Democratic People’s Republic of Korea.

  147. Old School Conservative:

    Communism, socialism, Marxism, Islam, and all their offshoots all have one aim: totalitarian rule.
    Debate all you like about who is what variety but their ultimate goals are identical, and the pain and suffering of the people are likewise identical.

    I love the Reagan quote “…the inheritors of the lunatic ideologies of the twentieth century…”
    Sorry, I’ve looked for years but can’t find it.
    Fits like a baby oil coat.

  148. Neil

    Why doesn’t Sally MacManus start a company, pay her workers wages higher than anyone else and show us how it is done?

  149. C.L.

    “Aspiring nurse…”
    LOL.
    Defence lawyer: “Say you want to be a nurse; that’ll play well.”

  150. mh

    I tried to cut and paste a story from Breitbart about millennial J**s leaving the Democrats. The movement is called Jexodus.

  151. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Why doesn’t Sally MacManus start a company, pay her workers wages higher than anyone else and show us how it is done?

    Too much like hard work.

  152. C.L.

    If a young Hitler had a man bun and a Twitter page, he would be a rock star to Australian leftists.
    He would be a regular on Q&A.

  153. Jim Saleam.

    Is that the Jim Saleam with the impressive criminal record?

  154. C.L.

    Well said, Cardinal Müller, calling Victoria’s judiciary corrupt.

  155. OldOzzie

    Franking credits: Labor staffer attacks ‘whingeing Baby Boomers’


    A Daniel Andrews staffer has taken to Facebook to attack “whingeing Baby Boomers”, just months before a federal election her party will fight on taking franking credit refunds away from older Australians.

    The Victorian premier’s caucus liaison officer, Lisa Ohlmus, hit out at Baby Boomers’ “sense of entitlement” in a move which the state Opposition has labelled as a “total lack of respect.”

    “The sense of entitlement from whingeing Baby Boomers is simply breathtaking,” she posted on February 20.

    The Facebook post appears to have been deleted shortly after The Australian approached Ms Ohlmus and the Premier’s office this morning.

    Ms Ohlmus’s post will be an unnecessary distraction for federal Labor as it faces an onslaught from Scott Morrison on franking credits and negative gearing reform, and accusations those policies will hurt the finances of thousands of Baby Boomers.

    The post is also uncomfortable for her boss, Mr Andrews, who governs a state with more than 1.6 million people over the age of 55. Ms Ohlmus’s social media attack on boomers came just a month after she joined the recently re-elected Premier’s team.

    A spokeswoman for the Premier said: “These are comments from a junior staff member, and do not reflect the government’s views.”

    The Australian understands Ms Ohlmus has been counselled over her use of social media.

    Victoria’s opposition planning spokesman Tim Smith told The Australian the post was an “insight into Labor’s true prejudices” and showed a “lack of respect” for older Australians.

    “This mean and nasty Facebook post gives us real insight into Labor’s true prejudices against self funded retirees and the over 55’s,” he said.

    “This total lack of respect for hard-working Australians shows the divisive class war politics that should have ended decades ago are back with a vengeance.“

  156. notafan

    In his sermon last Sunday the Archbishop of Sydney, Anthony Fisher, urged parishioners don’t be ‘too quick to judge’ Pell..

    from my link

    Australian archbishops have to respect the appeal process too

    Brennan SJ who is no lover of Cardinal Pell has taken a lot of heat over his comments, I don’t believe he has resiled.

    Brennan getting a taste of what is is like when you are not part of Team Progressive.

    Going back to a long and honourable Jesuit tradition.

    Australia must be one of the very few countries in the western world from which the Jesuits have not been expelled ( mass murdered etc)

  157. stalin or under mao or under pol pot; all of whom creeps like numbers support and wish to emulate

    Show me any post I’ve made in support of any of these.
    If you can’t, just piss off….

  158. notafan

    Inferred from your enthusiastic support of ‘socialism’

  159. Mater

    The facts of history haven’t changed, but the interpretations have.

    Yeah, Nah.
    From Sir Wilfrid Selwyn “Bill” Kent Hughes KBE, MVO, MC in 1933 – a Veteran of both World Wars (including Gallipoli), a Rhodes Scholar, an Olympian, a member of the Menzies Cabinet and a man that the left have been labelling as a ‘Fascist Sympathiser’ since 1933 (including recently by Mark Dapin in ‘The Nashos War’):

    Fascism is most certainly antagonistic to Bolshevism, but is also nearer to Socialism than what Australians call Democracy. Socialism aims at State ownership as well as State control, while the laissez faire Capitalism of the last century was the exact opposite.

    https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/243193900/26387484

    P.S. The four articles are worth reading to fully understand that his ‘sympathies’ were entirely based on their economics. Clearly in 1933, Fascism was in it’s infancy.

  160. cohenite

    Show me any post I’ve made in support of any of these.
    If you can’t, just piss off….

    What, going back and looking at your vomitous posts; gawd what a horrible thought.

    But then, deny it numbers, say something critical of communism under anyone; go on pisshead.

  161. Inferred from your enthusiastic support of ‘socialism’

    If “inference” is your yardstick for judgement, it could be “inferred” that this site is frequented by homicidal maniacs, alcoholics, gun wankers, penis fetishists, women haters and homophobes…..

  162. notafan

    Most of them young Asian women. Most seem to be part of one cohort.

    Which tells you that the suppliers are from the same cohort.

    Help her family…be rich.

  163. lotocoti

    You obviously believe North Korea …

    FFS.
    Republic, bellend.

  164. None

    The other article at NCR calls Pell’s verdict for what it is http://www.ncregister.com/daily-news/calling-cardinal-pells-prosecution-what-it-is-religious-persecution
    He too notes the impossibility of a fully robed bishop getting it on in the sacristry after after mass.

  165. Top Ender

    Aspiring nurse?

    Bloke I knew years back was up on a DD charge – his third. Ran the car off the road as well; various other charges. Jail looked possible.

    Waited until the last possible moment and pleaded not guilty. When court came he ran a spurious line which didn’t work, but by then he had been enrolled in uni for six months.

    The defence lawyer trotted out the line of “don’t blight the career of this up and coming young veterinarian Your Honour” and he got off with a disqualification and a fine.

  166. notafan

    Whatever

    you go on and on about the joys of socialism, call yourself a socialist then throw a tanty if someone suggest that you are one with the world’s most famous socialists (which is just a prettier name for communists).

    It’s all the same ideology, in case you haven’t noticed.

    What matters is that your ideas involve forcing people into acollectivism whether they agree or not.

    You obviously didn’t bother to read the essay on Catholicism and Socialism that I posted the other day

    no wish to clarify the muddy pool that is your mind.

  167. cohenite

    Oh look, numbers hasn’t condemned communism.

  168. cohenite

    If “inference” is your yardstick for judgement, it could be “inferred” that this site is frequented by homicidal maniacs, alcoholics, gun wankers, penis fetishists, women haters and homophobes…..

    Numbers projecting again. Anyway work beckons. Get stuffed numbers.

  169. whirrwhirr

    “‘Socialist’ I define from the word ‘social; meaning in the main ‘social equity’. A Socialist is one who serves the common good without giving up his individuality or personality or the product of his personal efficiency. Our adopted term ‘Socialist’ has nothing to do with Marxian Socialism. Marxism is anti-property; true socialism is not. Marxism places no value on the individual, or individual effort, of efficiency; true Socialism values the individual and encourages him in individual efficiency, at the same time holding that his interests as an individual must be in consonance with those of the community. All great inventions, discoveries, achievements were first the product of an individual brain. It is charged against me that I am against property, that I am an atheist. Both charges are false.” A.H December 1938

  170. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    If “inference” is your yardstick for judgement, it could be “inferred” that this site is frequented by homicidal maniacs, alcoholics, gun wankers, penis fetishists, women haters and homophobes…..

    Which category do you fall into, Numbers?

  171. mh

    But then, deny it numbers, say something critical of communism under anyone; go on pisshead.

    🦗🦗🦗

  172. Ivan Denisovich

    George Weigel:

    The conviction of Cardinal George Pell in December 2018 on charges of “historic sexual abuse” is this generation’s Dreyfus Affair.

    It can be argued that Pell’s conviction actually ranks as a greater miscarriage of justice than the Dreyfus Affair but it’s a good piece by Weigel, nonetheless.

    https://www.firstthings.com/web-exclusives/2019/03/our-dreyfus-case

  173. dover_beach

    Notice how numbers has binned his earlier definition of socialism, at least for the moment. The pressing matter of national socialism is before him.

  174. notafan

    A H was also a liar and a mass murderer and a confiscator of personal wealth, by the country load and of course from his own country men if they happened to be of the wrong ‘race’.

  175. DrBeauGan

    The appeal of socialism, its romantic element, is the idea of belonging, of being part of an extended family, of being looked after by a powerful daddy, of everyone being equal in the eyes of daddy, and everyone being cared for. Nobody has to fight for what they want, or work hard for what they want. It’s given them by the all powerful daddy. In short, it’s childhood.

    Daddy is replaced by the State. It demands only obedience and submission. A small price to pay for being looked after. To the socialist, it’s inconceivable that anyone might not want this. And forcing it on them for their own good is a virtuous act. Taking money, wealth and property from the disobedient is entirely right and moral. Then they too will have to submit, which will be good for them. And we’ll all be in the one big happy family.

    Won’t that be lovely? Come, join the borg.

  176. Old School Conservative

    If “inference” is your yardstick for judgement, it could be “inferred” that this site is frequented by homicidal maniacs, alcoholics, gun wankers, penis fetishists, women haters and homophobes…..

    For an ex-teacher your understanding of grammar is horrific, numbers.
    The posters are implying those characteristics, deliberately so. Some to get a bite or start a stoush, and some to be humorous.
    Readers are making judgements, not inferring.

    You spent too much time in admin and not in the classroom.

  177. Confused Old Misfit

    we will see the Americanisation of our society.

    Faster please!

  178. Leigh Lowe

    Aspiring nurse?

    The longer the potential sentence, the higher the new found aspiration.
    Defence lawyers play three principal cards …
    (1) The crim was under the influence of drugs/alcohol when the offence was committed, but has “turned his/her life around”.
    (2) The crim had a disadvantaged upbringing, hopefully with a dash of membership of a minority thrown in (indigine or reffo preferred).
    (3) The crim is an aspiring nurse/footballer/rap artist/ etc. Jail will truncate all that bright promise.
    Of course, the magistrates never ask for any evidence of actual first steps to realise the aspirational goals. Expressing the aspiration is enough.

  179. Roger

    It can be argued that Pell’s conviction actually ranks as a greater miscarriage of justice than the Dreyfus Affair

    With Dreyfus the conspiracy to pervert justice, motivated by prejudice, ensued after a somewhat plausible but erroneous charge was made.

    With Pell the conspiracy to pervert justice, motivated by prejudice, led to wholly implausible and erroneous charges.

  180. yackman

    Mater re Wilfred Kent Hughes; member for Chisholm in the 60’s.
    He was sitting two rows behind me in 1966 at Andrew Peacock’s by election launch and got into a “vigorous exchange” with another student at the end of proceedings. My memory may be fading but I recall a rolled newspaper somewhere in the exchange. He was not young but certainly not lacking in energy.
    I did not appreciate his history until I was much older.

  181. Roger

    …true Socialism values the individual and encourages him in individual efficiency, at the same time holding that his interests as an individual must be in consonance with those of the community.

    There was a fascinating documentary on SBS last week about the social life of German workers under the Nazis. Many of them got to go on holidays for the first time on state owned cruise ships. Attendance at lectures on National Socialism was mandatory on these cruises (what fun!) and spies eavesdropped on conversations and reported any recalcitrant spirits to the Gestapo. Back home, all sporting and social activities were shaped and monitored to reflect and promote the Nazi Weltanschauung. There was effectively no private life at all.

  182. Mater

    He would’ve been an interesting man to talk to, yackman.

    He is remembered as such in the Australian Dictionary of Biography:

    Looking and sounding like a survival of an earlier age, when Melbourne Grammar boys rushed to serve king and country, he sat erect on his mount on Anzac Day in 1968 wearing the uniform of the Light Horse. Friends and political opponents recognized in the man a dignity, integrity, vitality and kindliness. Those closest also knew that behind the formal exterior was a devotion to family, a capacity to talk to anyone, and a dry sense of humour which dictated hiding the best whisky when visited by his sister Gwenda, the ‘family communist’.

  183. Tom

    LOL. The old commo troll now has a back-up commo troll doing a line in fascist populism. What a libertarian heaven having mass murderers’ useful idiots running free at the Cat.

  184. Ivan Denisovich

    A fascinating piece by Steve Skojec. A snippet:

    Pell is one who, when he is angry, pounds his fists, Bergoglio or no Bergoglio. If he is convinced that something is right, he pursues is like a bulldozer. And it is also well known that the Argentine is more aggressive with the weak, but is intimidated by the few who resist him to his face.

    In short, Pell is a tank and was rather feared. My hypothesis is this: that Pell has been shot down by two separate sets of fire. The first is the “friendly” fire of the clerical establishment (this is the clericalism with which Bergoglio ought to occupy himself!) and the second is the enemy fire, secular and masonic, which saw in him a conservative traditionalist who needed to be eliminated.

    RTWT:

    https://onepeterfive.com/the-pell-fallout-continues-and-it-has-implications-for-the-whole-church/

  185. Confused Old Misfit

    Donald J. Trump
    ‏Verified account @realDonaldTrump

    Democrats just blocked @FoxNews from holding a debate. Good, then I think I’ll do the same thing with the Fake News Networks and the Radical Left Democrats in the General Election debates!
    4:05 PM – 6 Mar 2019

    Put the pop corn on!
    This should be fun!

  186. struth

    Please don’t come on here spewing Hitler’s propaganda.
    He called himself a socialist.
    Judge his actions.
    Collectively segregated people by race and standing.
    Controlled the means of production.
    Controlled every detail of their personal lives.
    Basically the head of the union movement….he he. how Ironic….it was the workers in charge after all, ……FMD.

    Hitler was left wing but the left claim he was an extreme right winger, wait for it, because he didn’t own the businesses he controlled.
    Yet magically Norway and (now) New Zealand are socialist although they also have private business ownership.

    He respects what nations call themselves , so if they call themselves socialist, that’s good enough for numbers, except when it doesn’t suit him.
    The prick couldn’t lie straight in bed.

    That he comes on here to a right wing site that calls him out on it, yet still makes a complete arsehat out of himself daily, is not a bad thing, …………………..for us.

    By the way, numbers just called himself a proud socialist, just the other day.
    Then his widdle bottom lip came out and got all wobbly when others called him a socialist.

    It’s got to be a little bit of dementia creeping in, I believe.

  187. twostix

    Our mentally ill country …
    ABC Online is always the best way to gauge it:
    1. Public memorial planned after beloved, friendly croc shot in the head.

    In the local free newspaper the inside of the front page has a half page collection of facebook posts emoting over the inhumane treatment of cane toads in QLD.

    The newspaper isn’t mocking them, it’s boosting them.

  188. Ivan Denisovich

    Yes, Roger, and it was you who first pointed out that distinction, afaik. I wanted to acknowledge that but had forgotten who it was.

  189. Top Ender

    Sorry, forgot to add to:

    The defence lawyer trotted out the line of “don’t blight the career of this up and coming young veterinarian Your Honour” and he got off with a disqualification and a fine.

    …it needed:

    Of course, he left university the very next week.

    Implied but wouldn’t want anyone to read it the wrong way.

  190. Roger

    Yes, Roger, and it was you who first pointed out that distinction, afaik. I wanted to acknowledge that but had forgotten who it was.

    Thanks Ivan.

    Australians should be gravely concerned about what the Pell Affair has revealed.

  191. Fat Tony

    Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
    #2952515, posted on March 7, 2019 at 11:30 am
    If “inference” is your yardstick for judgement, it could be “inferred” that this site is frequented by homicidal maniacs, alcoholics, gun wankers, penis fetishists, women haters and homophobes…..

    Which category do you fall into, Numbers?

    I think numbers falls into all the above….

  192. friendly croc

    I know where there is lots of friendly crocs.
    Employees of their ABC are encouraged to go and fondle them frequently.

  193. notafan

    Once Pell was hauled back to Australia,

    I have some issues with onepeterfive, this is particular

    It simply isn’t true and in fact is a lie, defamatory to Cardinal Pell who was hauled nowhere

    He came home, knowing full well the hatred he would face here, and the unlikelihood he would have a fair trial, especially knowing the outrageous nature of the things he was accused

    Don’t forget the satanic attack at the boy’s home made it to court too.

    If it wasn’t for his defense team doing their own investigation that would have gone to trial too.

  194. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Former Labor MP Barry Urban makes brief court appearance over fraud allegations
    Shannon HamptonPerthNow

    Disgraced former Labor MP and policeman Barry Urban has made another brief appearance in court over allegations he forged applications to join the police force and lied to a parliamentary committee.

    Mr Urban, who was forced to quit politics last year amid a fake medal scandal, has previously pleaded not guilty to 12 fraud charges.

    The 49-year-old appeared in the Perth Magistrate’s Court this morning for a committal mention, and the case was adjourned for 12 weeks.

    The former politician looked almost unrecognisable when he arrived at court sporting a noticeably healthier beard than when he last appeared on the charges in January.

    He was wearing a leather jacket and clutching what appeared to be a bag holding a motorcycle helmet.

    When he re-emerged from the courthouse, he had changed into a suit jacket.

    Mr Urban is accused of five counts of giving false evidence before a parliamentary committee, five counts of uttering a forged document, one count of attempted fraud and one count of forging a record.

    The forged documents allegedly provided by Mr Urban include a University of Leeds degree, a University of Portsmouth certificate of higher education and references.

  195. twostix

    The urban middleclass were the same in the early 1900’s as they are right now: coddled atheistic retarded children completely divorced from the working physical world and so prone to hysteria, mobs, magical thinking and jumping on every cult flavour that came their way. Obsessed with Science(TM), won’t raise their own children and love authority.

    And they have a murderous hatred towards the traditional working man and his ways.

    Their fruits will be global mayhem, because like the generation 1880-1910, these people, though nice, are completely crazy.

  196. Fat Tony

    Numbers earlier talking about the 33,000 gun deaths in the USA – he didn’t mention 2/3 are suicides, then he didn’t show the number of black-on-black deaths in those cities/states where firearm ownership is very difficult.

    Also, he didn’t mention that preventable deaths from medical malpractice in the USA are between 250,000 to 440,000 per year. Doctors are more dangerous than guns.

  197. Tel

    The thing is, true Fascism hasn’t been tried yet. I’m sure it would work nicely if only we chose precisely the right people to kill off.

    Yes, that’s sarcasm in case anyone braindead from Twitter feels the need to repost. But it is awfully darn close to what the modern socialists use as an excuse for their failed ideology.

  198. Stimpson J. Cat

    The federal government are introducing a new program of 15,000 extended aged parent visas (mostly pandering to the Chinese voter bloc). This is at a time when our infrastructure is already in massive deficit thanks to the government’s population ponzi policy.

    Welcome to the age of low trust western society.
    Immigration for all!!!!

  199. notafan

    How many of those advocating socialism put their money with their mouths are?

    No one is stopping any of them from living in a collective, “From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs”

    Keep it going in true socialist style for say five years and then come back and tell us how awesome it is.

  200. Ivan Denisovich

    There was a fascinating documentary on SBS last week about the social life of German workers under the Nazis.

    In that series they also revealed the Nazis widest and strongest support came from the public service.

  201. Infidel Tiger

    Jonathan Swan

    Verified account

    @jonathanvswan
    Follow Follow @jonathanvswan

    Deaths by suicide, drugs and alcohol reached an all-time high last year

    https://twitter.com/jonathanvswan/status/1103347697510244352

    This is the end result of the failed neo-liberal experiment.

    Humans are not economic units.

  202. DrBeauGan

    No one is stopping any of them from living in a collective, “From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs”

    Keep it going in true socialist style for say five years and then come back and tell us how awesome it is.

    It has been tried quite often, over the centuries, Notafan. It usually falls apart before the five years are up.

    Sometimes it transforms itself into an authoritarian system. Monasteries have worked quite well for centuries. More often it transforms into an authoritarian system that is corrupt, as in Venezuela, or the Soviet Union. These seldom last three generations, one motivated by idealism to build it, one to try to hold it together by force, and the last to try to change it to something that works. But mostly they fall apart because some of them figure someone else should do the washing up.

  203. Black Ball

    I note that Alex Trebek apparently has stage 4 pancreatic cancer. Which means not much time left for him. Love Jeopardy, not sure why Australian television producers haven’t done the same here.

  204. Viva

    Of course, had there been no suppression order the public would have learned this and that through daily reports of the proceedings.

    Just as as well also that the flimsiness of the prosecution case will have been well aired before the appeal is heard.

  205. Stimpson J. Cat

    Trump is done.

    It’s time to join the #Yang Gang.

    Andrew Yang
    @AndrewYangVFA
    To bring the country together I would give everyone an HBO GO password so we could all watch Game of Thrones.
    4:26 AM · Mar 7, 2019

    And he wants to bring in UBI!!!

  206. Boambee John

    Numbers

    When I was studying political history at U of Q in the seventies, anyone suggesting that Hitler was a socialist would have been laughed out of the tutorial.

    Thus conclusively drmonstrating what a bunch of closed minded tutors and students there were at UQ at the time. Totally beholden to a myth created by the Soviets to conceal their collaboration with H1tler in the dismemberment of Eastern Europe. No comprehension of H1tler’s program laid out in the early 1920s. Woeful!

  207. It has been tried quite often, over the centuries, Notafan. It usually falls apart before the five years are up.

    Not necessarily so.

    The kibbutz movement was a success for some decades. It had a very important role before the independence of Israel, during the independence war and for some time afterwards. The borders of Israel were very much defined by it. It had a very important role in the economy, the development of the agriculture, but also of parts of the industry. In spite of being small villages, it was also important in the culture. In the Knesset (parlament) and government, and in the army it had a much larger part than its part in the population.
    As for our value as an experiment as anarchist communes (even if the movement always considered itself Socialist) – it is a large scale experiment as voluntary communes with several generations and for decades, that can teach us and the future generations about the possibilities and the problems in communes.
    Today – it is neither a success nor a failure. The population is actually growing, the economical situation is better, both for the kibbutz and its members – but it is losing its ideology and most kibbutzim went in the direction of privatization in different degrees.

    (Cvi Solt, Israeli kibbutz member – July 2016)

  208. calli

    Help her family…be rich.

    If it’s who I think it is, then they already are.

  209. DrBeauGan

    “From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs”

    The fundamental problem with this is that it is attractive to losers. If you have lots of needs but not much ability, it looks good. If you have ability and ordinary needs, not so much.

    It also appeals to those who like power, because they go for the job of taking from those with ability and giving to those with needs.

    Soon you find that those with ability want out, and you have to build a wall to keep them in. So the able stop working, and become needy. Soon everyone is in the needy class and your country goes broke.

    Even if one is too dumb to follow the logic, the empirical evidence is conclusive.

  210. Viva

    Apparently Prince Harry’s SJW wife is penning his speeches these days.

    Some quotes from his address to 12,000 school children at Wembly Stadium:

    “Climate change is a humanitarian issue, not a political one. We now have the facts, the science, the technology and the ability to save not just our planet, but ourselves. I know you don’t sit back and wait for solutions, you take action and create them.”

    “‘You may find yourselves frustrated with the older generation when it seems like they don’t care. Try to remember that not everyone sees the world the way you do, but that doesn’t mean they don’t care. You have the incredible opportunity to help reshape mindsets, to empower those around you to think outside the box and to work with you, not against you, to find solutions.

    You know that if you don’t stand for something you’ll fall for anything. So let that be your true north, let that be your call to action – to inspire those who stand for nothing to stand for something – and to stand with you.”

    Way to go Royal Family …..

  211. min

    Spot on OSC. Numbers evidently has not studied any Italian history. Fascist comes from Italian ,like nepotism . Mussolini got going before Hitler and before politics ran a socialist newspaper. What Numbers does not understand is that hubris ,self delusion, takes over beloved leaders and they can run off at tangents Mussolini saw himself as Col Di Rienzo , check what he got up to Numbers, and decided to get back the Roman Empire. I have known a few Italian Communists , probably half the partigiani were , Don Camillo gives a good picture of post war Italy.
    My take on the two, Socialists imagine there can be Kumbaya , Communists still have a hierarchy. In both the best place to be is in the top echelon and not one of the also rans. If you do not believe me watch any programme on chimpanzees there is only a very thin veneer between them and us except humans do more killing.

  212. notafan

    Monasteries have worked quite well for centuries.

    I did not know that!

    I wonder what the glue is that binds monasteries together?

    PS I have two aunts who lived in convents , one for over seven decades so I have a pretty good idea.

    I linked an article about the Catholic model and secular socialism a couple of days ago.

  213. notafan

    The other one didn’t last quite the seven decades but she left involuntarily, so to say.

  214. DrBeauGan

    The kibbutz movement was a success for some decades.

    Yep. So was the Soviet Union.

    But it didn’t last in either case.

    Socialism, collectivism, is unstable. There are various modes of collapse, but collapse is guaranteed.

  215. Top Ender

    And a very telling paragraph here:

    As for the Nazis, they generally did not have to kill in order to seize the property of Germans other than Jews. This was because, as we have seen, they established socialism by stealth, through price controls, which served to maintain the outward guise and appearance of private ownership. The private owners were thus deprived of their property without knowing it and thus felt no need to defend it by force.

  216. notafan

    “‘You may find yourselves frustrated with the older generation when it seems like they don’t care.

    Like the ones that jet everywhere, and hold baby showers in five star hotels, that cost hundreds of thousands, that ‘older generation’?

  217. Infidel Tiger

    Apparently Prince Harry’s SJW wife is penning his speeches these days.

    Liz needs to give this whacko the Diana treatment.

  218. Des Deskperson

    ‘In that series they also revealed the Nazis widest and strongest support came from the public service.’

    Dunno about Germany, but in Mussolini’s Italy, the public sector grew exponentially – no precise figures immediately to hand. This was because the fascist corporatist state needed a large and expensive bureaucracy cooperate it and because Fascist party members were given easy, safe and pensioned jobs within it. IIRC, you also had to be a member of the Fascist party – well, pay your dues, at any rate – to work in the public sector. This compulsion probably made the Italian public service membership appear even more fascist than it was.

    I suspect what happened under the Nazis was similar.

    When the corporatist ALP comes to power, we can expect an at least somewhat similar expansion in the APS. We can also expect to see the public sector unions given back their previous roles and powers in the management of the service – and perhaps more – that they lost under Howard.

  219. thefrollickingmole

    Bonds undies just lost a customer.

    Transgender model Andreja Pejić in a Bonds lingerie campaign – is the revolution here?
    Elfy Scott

    So just how big is the ladyboy market?

    Even while the understanding of beauty in Australian fashion is becoming more progressive, with the inclusion of more models from diverse ethnic backgrounds in large campaigns and the inclusion of the first plus-size model on the runway of Australia’s Mercedes Benz fashion week last year (the first! In 2018!), the conversation regarding the inclusion of trans or non-binary models has remained remarkably quiet.

  220. DrBeauGan

    I wonder what the glue is that binds monasteries together?

    You probably think it’s faith, Notafan, but the socialists had oodles of it. Different details, but plenty of idealism. It’s the question of how you treat the freeloaders that’s crucial.

  221. notafan

    Does it occur to you DrBg that the difference is not mere faith, but God and thus Truth over untruth.

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