Let’s get Zuckerberg

As many Cats know I’m a huge fan of Facebook and Google too. Those two organisations provide extremely valuable services and are so good at what they do that many of their competitors are struggling. As such they have come to the attention of various nay-sayers.

To be clear – there is plenty to criticise. Mistakes are being made. Okay. But here is the thing – these are genuinely entrepreneurial ventures undertaking greenfield innovation. It is very much a trial and error process.

Some criticisms, however, are unfair or just downright silly. In response to a  rather bland (I think) essay on privacy by Mark Zuckerberg the MIT Technology Review published an op-ed calling for Facebook to be broken up.  It contained this gem:

If Facebook is constantly sending you push notifications, it diminishes the mental space you have available for tinkering and coming up with your own ideas. If Facebook bombards the gullible with misinformation, this too is an invasion of privacy.

But “Facebook” does not send you “push notifications”. “Facebook” does not “bombard the gullible with misinformation”. Your “friends” send you notifications, your “friends” bombard you with misinformation. Choose your “friends” wisely.

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54 Responses to Let’s get Zuckerberg

  1. stackja

    ‘Friends’ who are leftists?

  2. Singleton Engineer

    Pruning one’s list of BFF’s is not optional.

    It is essential in order to maintain control over your life.
    Remember, your time is yours alone and nobody else’s.

    It is also inelastic, can neither be used up nor reduced. It simply exists and it is yours to do with as you choose.

    So choose wisely.

  3. Biota

    FB does send push notifications. I’m not on FB and never have been yet I get regular friend suggestions and things like …a lot has happened since you were last on FB. many of the friend suggestions appear to have come from my contacts list. These messages are addressed to me personally.

  4. Amused

    Facebook reminds me that about 3% of my friends are bat shit crazy leftist loons.

  5. Fat Tony

    Singletons Engineer- time is indeed elastic.
    Good times are over in the blink of an eye and bad times last for ages.

  6. John Brumble

    So there’s this thing that the likes of Numbers does where he goes looking for really poor arguments and responds to them rather than the meat.

    Yeah. That.

  7. Entropy

    People think they are getting stuff for free from these companies, but the reality is they are monetising you. That said, the solution is to not sell yourself to the in the first place. It’s when third parties sell your info to them, like a lot of apps do, I get shitty.

  8. Nob

    Way more than 3% , Amused.

    Or more that the batshit leftists are the ones who incessantly post political stuff.

  9. LGS

    Zuckerberg has zero credibility in my opinion.
    I remember his going into meltdown and calling for an anonymous person’s head when said person scrawled “all lives matter” (as a counter to “Black Lives Matter”) on Facebook’s HQ wall.
    Then there’s his censorship or banning (almost exclusively) of conservatives or right-wingers.
    An unmitigated leftist hypocrite.

  10. Nob

    But it doesn’t bother me.

    Leftists “winning” Facebook (and Twitter) is how they got Brexit and Trump so spectacularly wrong.

  11. Confused Old Misfit

    Google I can deal with.
    Facebook, not so much.
    Having dropped Facebook due to the reactions of my leftist proggy family (see benstocking.com on Kavanaugh for an example) I can now waste an equivalent amount of time at the sign of the Cat.

  12. Squirrel

    “If Facebook is constantly sending you push notifications, it diminishes the mental space you have available for tinkering and coming up with your own ideas.”

    It’s true that we have armies of zombies wondering around shopping malls and other public spaces, glued to their ‘phones, but chances are that very few of these people are ever going to be troubled with bright ideas that might change the world for the better, so let’s not be pushing bogus reasons for the break-up of US national champions when there is absolutely no chance of the PRC following suit.

  13. Dr Fred Lenin

    Its always good to see leftists devour their own ,stalin and hitler were good at it ,particularly stalin who wiped out most of the original bolshevik gang . His comrade Hitler wiped out Ernst Rhoem and a lot of his Brownshirt gang . But as Napoleon was reputed to have said “. never interrupt an enemy when he is making a mistake” .

  14. AussieMAGA

    libertards defending big business breaking the social contract with their user base and wider society as soon as they are an established monopoly…

    tell me why there are no successful libertarian states again…

  15. Baldrick

    I don’t use either because I don’t like what they offer.

  16. Tezza

    Not a bad point, Since. But Facebook, Google, Youtube and other social media platforms are undoubtedly narrowing our mental space by viciously censoring the right.

  17. Behind Enemy Lines

    Posted on 3:32 pm, March 9, 2019 by Sinclair Davidson

    Some criticisms, however, are unfair or just downright silly. In response to a rather bland (I think) essay on privacy by Mark Zuckerberg the MIT Technology Review published an op-ed calling for Facebook to be broken up.

    Let us then ignore silly criticisms and focus instead on the excellent criticisms.

    And break them up.

    Unless of course someone’s found a way to force Facebook, Twitter et al to bake me a cake. After all, isn’t that what government is for?

  18. hzhousewife

    At risk of being boring:

    hzhousewife
    #2395549, posted on May 30, 2017 at 5:49 pm
    Mark Zuckerberg is a traitor to humanity (and this is not the first time I have said so).
    What to do?

    I seem to have lived a happy and fulfilled life since May 2017 without Zuc’s largesse, I back myself for this to continue.

  19. Those who adamantly find reasons to praise Facebook and Google are clearly of the rabid Left.

  20. duncanm

    Here’s an idea idiots.

    Walk away from your gizmos.

  21. struth

    I don’t do facebook or twitter.
    I’m doing well because my business is therefore underground.
    I don’t suck up to fuckwits all day.
    My venues do that.

    having said that, I’m off tonight but times are tough and I’m just starting back.

  22. Tim Neilson

    The real issue with facebook twitter and google is that they claim (and get) exemption from criminal and defamation laws by falsely claiming to be “common carriers” i.e. just providing a service rather than editing what gets published, when very clearly they are censoring assiduously.
    I’ve got no problem with them doing whatever they like, but they should face the same legal consequences as everyone else for what they actually do, i.e. if they censor conservatives they should be sued to bankruptcy for giving unfettered platforms for “progressive” defamation and Islamofascist criminal incitement to violence.

  23. John A

    To be clear – there is plenty to criticise. Mistakes are being made. Okay. But here is the thing – these are genuinely entrepreneurial ventures undertaking greenfield innovation. It is very much a trial and error process.

    To be clear – deliberate policy decisions are being made which represent a particular worldview. However, the mistakes pale into insignificance beside the deliberate decisions expressing a corporate direction.

    BUT I’m with Tim Neilson above in decrying the hypocrisy of YouTwitFace wanting their cake and eating it too.

    And grammar police, I am aware that I began the sentence with a disjunction.

  24. Mark A

    Confused Old Misfit
    #2954578, posted on March 9, 2019 at 5:44 pm

    Having dropped Facebook due to the reactions of my leftist proggy family (see benstocking.com on Kavanaugh for an example) I can now waste an equivalent amount of time at the sign of the Cat.

    There are a few posters here, in all categories, political and general, who could and are be worse than your family members.

    But hey, at least they are not family, there is that.

  25. bespoke

    But “Facebook” does not send you “push notifications”. “Facebook” does not “bombard the gullible with misinformation”. Your “friends” send you notifications, your “friends” bombard you with misinformation. Choose your “friends” wisely.

    That’s true if your posting Cat pics but anything under the vague hate speech such as quoting religious text then no. I’m not in favor of them to be broken up just for consumer pressure to make them have clear and consistent rules.

  26. Old Irrelevant me

    Dear me Sinc.
    To be clear – there is plenty to criticise. Mistakes are being made. Okay. But here is the thing – these are genuinely entrepreneurial ventures undertaking greenfield innovation. It is very much a trial and error process.
    We are somewhat disgruntled by these goings on. But! such a statement as greenfield innovation is trying to unhinge my manors.
    The human condition on evident on Facebook. We certainly live within a dysfunctional society and family.

  27. MatrixTransform

    The church of social media?
    I excommunicated myself.
    no more hair shirts. yay.

  28. Amadeus

    Along with Twitter, Instagram, and the like, Facebook has become the toilet of the internet.
    I have a fake account on FB only to access what some of my more distant relatives and family acquaintances are up to. Some of them seem to live their lives in FB.
    Once in a blue moon, I post something, “tongue in cheek”. To suggest that FB doesn’t push junk mail, junk links, junk opinion material, junk advertising, junk “suggested friends” is completely laughable, Sinc.
    FB tracks pretty much everything you touch, just like Google – they even send me back to my own advertising when I post stuff on, for example, gumtree or eBay.
    Unless I’m as thick as two bricks, try and shut down and delete your FB account. I have on several occasions and, thus far, unsuccessful. My fake site remains out there in the toilet of FB, despite my date of birth being 1890….

  29. Louis Hissink

    The procedure is to befriend whoever, and then unfollow them. You remain friends but you don’t get all the distracting posts. I adopt this policy with family as well, and if I need to know what’s going on, I click on the search panel, select whoever and the query is satisfied.

    FB annoyances seem to be generally self inflicted.

  30. Amadeus

    Tried all that LH. Still doesn’t delete the account. It will remain in FB until hell freezes over, if not after that. Since my site was fake from the outset, I’m happy to leave garbage with garbage.

    I agree with your observation that “FB annoyances seem to be generally self inflict“.

  31. egg_

    Its always good to see leftists devour their own ,stalin and hitler were good at it ,particularly stalin who wiped out most of the original bolshevik gang . His comrade Hitler wiped out Ernst Rhoem and a lot of his Brownshirt gang . But as Napoleon was reputed to have said “. never interrupt an enemy when he is making a mistake” .

    The irony of Silicon Valley nerds turning on Facebook – hardware turns on software.

  32. duncanm

    I think we need government testing of social apps. to ensure their safety.

    They’re a drug.

    You know it makes sense.

  33. Chris M

    Never used to believe that Lizard Men control the world until I saw video of Zuckerberg.

  34. Tom

    Unless I’m as thick as two bricks, try and shut down and delete your FB account.

    Thanks, Amadeus. Did that a year ago when family stopped using it. Step-daughter living in the US is the daughter of a feminist (my ex-), a liberal and a Trump hater, so we don’t talk politics — but she now hates Spacechook and applauded when I told her I had closed my account.

    Zuckerberg designed Spacechook to be addictive, especially to the young and impressionable. If he wasn’t a liberal, I might have forgiven his evil genius. But it was evil.

    And now he has turned the Spacechook organisation into a Stalinist monoculture campaigning to destroy America.

  35. Entropy

    Fauxahontas wants to break up the Zucks companies. Think about that.

  36. jock

    Sorry sinc. But since farcebook started to act as an editor, taking down conservative comment it is now a publisher. Youtube has taken down prager U videos for gods sake. They take down conservatives but not leftists. We need to hurt them.

  37. Peter Sommerville

    Actually not true Sinclair. Try setting up page dispensing services. You will be innundated by push notificatios from FB on how to pay them to boost your posts.

  38. Entropy

    That is absolutely correct Peter. And you can pay to target these notifications to select demographics and postcodes. Thing is, it’s very effective in its seduction. I was uncomfortable the first time I used it for this, but it gets easier each time. I of course, use it for public information, but it is exactly the same for commercial or political purposes. You can get very, very refined in your targeting. It is seductive becuase it is so effective, and you get reports about who liked the post, who they passed it on to and how widely it reached.
    It is what that Cambridge analytics that Obama and Trump used that Facebook now does directly.

    On the larger point, once they started controlling what is published, they should be subject to the same laws as any other publisher.

  39. Cynic of Ayr

    Facebook is a “news” manipulator. They admit they vet posts by their product. Only approved posts are distributed.
    They are a totally Left Wing thinking organisation.
    One look at Zuckerberg facial expressions (or lack thereof) and his mannerisms, tell you instantly that this is a man on a mission that suits his agenda. No one else matters!
    Zuckerberg made Billions in today’s Capitalist System. Not the Socialist System.
    Zuckerberg want to change to Socialism, because he thinks it will benefit him!
    All leaders of the Socialist Movement are the same. They want Socialism that they are in charge of. It takes a lot less work to be rich in Socialism, that in Capitalism. Those in charge that are left alive, that is.
    There is no way that Zuckerberg wants to give away all his money, and become “equal” in this Socialist System that he is pushing.
    I dunno, Sync. You seem to be making some odd statements lately.

  40. Dr Fred Lenin

    If anyone deserves to be “got at “its zuckerberg,anothe rich smart ass leftoid ,stick the boots in comrades ,hes a deviationist recividistenemy of the leftist eelites.

  41. HP

    Why protect Zuckerberg’s Facebook from being ripped to pieces by the leftie politicians he himself supports?

    Choose your “friends” wisely.

    Yep, good advice. Especially for Zuck who can use some guidance in that department.
    But when lefties have a go at each other, I have not much more to say other than: “Game on!”

  42. W Hogg

    If FB and TWTR want to take sides, they should be regulated as political players. Remember Joooo-ish conservatives are permanently banned while Hamas is allowed to post their propaganda at will. In a recent example, some obvious horseshit about Israel gassing Gaza was allowed to run while 200 conservatives are smeared as Russian bots.

    They have the right to be Democrat PACs. That choice has legal consequences.

  43. Peter Pickled

    The kids no longer use facebook, mainly because their parents do use facebook. Same as it ever was.

    Recently Tommy Robinson’s FB account and IG accounts were deleted by FB.

    What’s the point of this blog again?

  44. Nato

    I remember back when i used to read the journalist Mr Bolt’s blog that he made an Abbott-related observation. Something along the lines that…. You can always count on your enemies to advertise your best qualities.
    That was really boring product concept launch statement that needed to have involved tattooed hipsters with wallet chains striding across an oversized stage as they presented the script. What does it matter? Maybe, being on the cat, there’s some strategic shift to differentiate in another good way in global competition with Alibaba, maybe, or a new spin on games companies’ preorder hypes? I can’t even wrap my head around where someone goes from enjoying the convenience of a service and pleasure of informing everyone of the life moments to such a fear storm being whipped up that a global effort is made to ensure that we keep everything within the state, nothing outside the state, nothing against the state pour encourager les autres, look at Facebook.
    Thankfully academics are on hand to point out that Mr Zuckerberg is indeed a one-of-a-kind-out-of-all-history, world changing genius. Kudos to Mr Kakaes for his insight that seems to me to be both original and accurate.

    “Commoditize Privacy” What an achievement!!

    “I’m dropping out of uni to start a company where privacy does not exist. Our end users will self-publish private information to the world at large. Any perceived lack of interest in you and your intimates will be a humiliating sign of failure, in this culture. They will compete with the others to provide more, and of a higher quality.
    My customers will pay me for access to this high quality data and analytics and direct access to the very consumers goods and services have been developed for.
    The enormous value of this Privacy commodity will mean even as I amass a large wealth to myself, my service will be the most efficient market-place in which end users trade their own privacy for personal benefit.”

    He built that.

  45. BorisG

    But “Facebook” does not send you “push notifications”. “Facebook” does not “bombard the gullible with misinformation”. Your “friends” send you notifications, your “friends” bombard you with misinformation. Choose your “friends” wisely.

    I am not on Facebook and don’t know who sends notifications to Facebook members. I don’t get any notifications, and anyone who does not like these shall follow my example.

  46. BorisG

    And while we are at it, I don’t know if Facebook is left-wing either. Just like I do not care about the Guardian. I just don’t read them. Unless someone sends me a link, fortunately usually something non-political.

  47. Eyrie

    “Social” media is a social disease. It should be called socialist media.

    Flakebook – pure mind rot.
    Want to keep in touch with family and friends? – set up an address list for your email.

    Having what goes on on Facebook after a relationship breakup in the last two years involving a young friend, Facebook is just an enabler of evil.

    I used to have an account for a few years. My leftist nieces used to send me trivia along with Trump hatred so at a family get together two years ago at the table I announced that I had something to say to them – hey guys, PRESIDENT DONALD JOHN TRUMP.

    I deleted the account 18 months ago. Trick is not to check for at least 3 weeks because if you do it becomes active again.

    Fuck Zuckerberg and his horrible invention (he actually didn’t – just stole it, or so I hear)

  48. warren raymond

    This is sidetracking the real issue.

    No one questions Zuckerberg’s entrepreneurial contribution to the internet. The problem is that FB & Twitter have become news dissemination monopolies, and as such they eliminate conservatives from their platforms. Too much power corrupts, totally. That’s why these behemoth’s need to be broken up or forced to provide access to everyone.

  49. Bunyip Bill

    Beg to differ. Facebook constantly sends me notes through email, or directly on screen telling me that all these people wish to communicate with me and imshould log in . Funny thing is I have only used the service once four years ago to enter a competition , never again . Yst every time I turn on the computer they pester me.

  50. Zatara

    Zuckerberg is a total megalomaniac.

    Lord Zuckerberg Sues Native Hawaiians to Force Sale of Ancestral Land for His $100 Million Estate

    Close to a dozen small parcels within Zuckerberg’s Kauai estate are owned by kamaaina families who have rights to traverse the billionaire’s otherwise private domain.

    Now the Facebook CEO is trying to enhance the seclusion of his property by filing several lawsuits aimed at forcing these families to sell their land at a public court auction to the highest bidder.

    Bet those Hawaiian locals wish they could select their neighbors, much less their friends.

  51. Zatara

    But remember, he’s an open-borders advocate… as long as they aren’t HIS borders.

  52. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    men using facebook is gay

  53. Petros

    Facebook has become quite passe with the younger generations. They are now on Instagram and Snapchat. Facebook was ruined by loud-mouthed SJW morons. They destroyed it with their idiotic ill-informed pseudointellectual political shite. Facebook as a company is still strong because it bought Instagram and Whatsapp amongst others.

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