What if this is true?

The presentation seems low-key for what he says but the content is deadly serious. And everyone in the video speaks as plainly as one could wish about all the events described.

I will also say that I had watched AOC’s examination of a series of witnesses in a Congressional committee shown early in the video and had been astonished by it. It was both extraordinarily polished and deep. She is also bizarrely confident for a 29-year-old who has just arrived in Congress. Nothing intimidates her. She is clearly not on her own. The only person I didn’t recognise in the video was Mr Reagan.

I have also gone looking high and low to see who else has presented this video. It shows up in a few places, each time with a disclaimer about conspiracy theories, but that is not what surprises me. In politics all kinds of people work together to achieve ends. Rather it is how open all this is and how relatively easy it was to find the evidence presented. Who would have expected that the Deep State existed in such a brazen way? So why not this as well?

The video was picked up by Karabar in a previous comments thread for which I am grateful.

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81 Responses to What if this is true?

  1. mh

    Haven’t watched the video yet, but why does the image on video above look nothing like
    AOC?

  2. Roger

    She is also bizarrely confident for a 29-year-old…

    That’s simply because she hasn’t yet learned how much she doesn’t know.

  3. Roberto

    That’s simply because she hasn’t yet learned how much she doesn’t know.

    Indeed. She’s the poster child for the Dunning-Kruger effect.

  4. candy

    It sounds feasible. AOC is attractive, engaging and strong personality and wears lovely clothes (the fashion statement of the white frock a model would wear at the State of Union). She looks like a model. She appeals to the young on all sorts of levels including money for everyone and not having to work.

    The ALP would dream of such a candidate and in fact are probably looking around for one now. You could call it auditioning.

  5. One ScoMo doesn’t make a Spring

    Yeah and nah and yeah.

    How different is this from other candidates lobbed up from mainstream parties? This to me is a new level of slickness and polish. AOC has all the hallmarks of an actor ..but then so many of our political class are as well. The swamp just getting swampier.

  6. Jo Smyth

    There is a great big Q on view so could it be this matter is being dealt with ?

  7. will

    She is also bizarrely confident for a 29-year-old…

    do you think she has not been carefully coached and mentored by professionals, for many many hours of training?

    As an aside, I once attended a live-in management course where a well known TV presenter set us all up and provided coaching in TV interview technique. It was only a few hours, but after many hours I would expect to be: “bizarrely confident”. You fight how you train

  8. Bruce

    There’s an old saying that goes:

    Politics is just show business for ugly people.

    These days, the corrolary also applies:

    Show business is politics for the “beautiful people”.

    To paraphrase that old political thespian, Edward Gough Whitlam:

    Well may they say “Mach Schau”, but what they really mean is “Arbeit Macht Frei”.

  9. Well may they say “Mach Schau”, but what they really mean is “Arbeit Macht Frei”.

    Unfortunately you may be right Bruce.

  10. Dr Fred Lenin

    She is a classic example of why career politics should be banned ,one term and you are out for life . The puppetmasters would be confounded if their trainee puppets were gone after one term ,would make political influence obsolete along with corrupt lobbying and bribery . One tern for life has a lot going for it , it would also help destroy political gangs ,sorry ,parties and their insidious influences . It would even encourage the better type of people to serve a term for their country ,not themselves ,encourage populism ,industry , free speech and patriootism . Globalism could not flourish in these conditions nor its master communist marxist fascism , free thought is their mortal enemy .

  11. egg_

    Yeah and nah and yeah.

    How different is this from other candidates lobbed up from mainstream parties? This to me is a new level of slickness and polish. AOC has all the hallmarks of an actor ..but then so many of our political class are as well. The swamp just getting swampier.

    +1

    Wider and shallower.

  12. Chris M

    Most of the prominent Democrat party are doddery toothless botox hags and feeble old bald codgers that have been there forever so they are terrified of this new approach.

    The extreme leftwing kooky lurch is such a goldmine for Trump. If Labor try this here the Liberals would just shift further left. But good luck trying to find a hot looking female amongst the leftwing purple haired fat feminist harpies in Australia. They make Shorten look hip.

  13. candy

    I would say Labor, Libs and Greens hold auditions. They probably scout for media personalities, looking at their gender, sexuality, age and looks, and if they have that certain media charisma and just a little political knowledge, but can be trained in that.

    For all we know, people like Karl Stefanovic, Waleed Aly, Carrie Bickmore, have all been courted, invited for an audition.

  14. mem

    Candy you are spot on:

    The ALP would dream of such a candidate and in fact are probably looking around for one now. You could call it auditioning.

    ALP have found a candidate that fits the bill. She has taken to wearing white while out and about. Her name is Shireen Morris. all smiles and big eyes. https://www.alp.org.au/our-people/our-people/shireen-morris/

  15. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    She is being groomed to reel in the millenial vote.

  16. Mitchell Porter

    Steve asks “What if this is true?”

    What if what is true?

    I have only skipped through the video by “Mr Reagan”, but I didn’t hear anything new. Maybe this is new if you have never heard of “The Young Turks”. It’s a popular progressive Youtube channel. In 2016 they supported Sanders, then reluctantly switched to Hillary. Their election-night response to Trump’s win has been popular viewing among Trump supporters because it’s such a rollercoaster. It ended with Cenk Uygur saying he was now at war with the DNC for handing power to Trump, by supporting Clinton over Sanders. They went on to organize and promote this “Justice Democrats” political action committee, with the objective of replacing “corporate Democrats” who take money from corporate donors, with progressives funded by voter donations, along the lines of the Sanders campaign. They endorsed candidates across America in 2018 primaries, and AOC was their biggest success.

    If “Mr Reagan” reports any of that, then it’s true. It’s hardly secret, but perhaps it’s not known to people who don’t follow American progressive politics. But this video also conveys to me, a kind of gratuitous mystification of the situation, for the sake of building the idea of sinister enemies in the shadows… I guess I will have to watch the whole thing, just so I can pin down what I think is wrong about it.

  17. Roger

    ALP have found a candidate that fits the bill. She has taken to wearing white while out and about. Her name is Shireen Morris. all smiles and big eyes.

    Labor led by Shireen Morris v. Libs led by Andrew Hastie down the track: bring it on!

    But only if the latter find redemption in opposition.

  18. egg_

    looking at their gender, sexuality, age and looks, and if they have that certain media charisma and just a little political knowledge, but can be trained in that.

  19. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Shireen later studied to be a lawyer and earned a PhD in constitutional law. She spent 7 years as a policy expert and advocate at Cape York Institute, working on Indigenous constitutional recognition and developing the concept of a First Nations body in the Constitution. She is now a postdoctoral fellow at Melbourne University Law School.

    From mem’s link. Just what Australia needs in Parliament, more blasted lawyers.

  20. Suburban Boy

    Before I watched this clip I thought that AOC and her friends were dangerous commie scum with plans to destroy American’s economy and society.

    Having watched the clip … nothing’s changed.

  21. Tabitha N

    Haven’t watched the video but, like, when she was, like, talking about climate change and, like, said the world was gonna, like, end in 12 years she didn’t sound too damn polished or deep.

  22. AOC has all the hallmarks of an actor

    Listen to her well trained and rehearsed phrasing and voice tone, her momentary pauses to emphasise points. her body gestures. No umms and aahs like anyone who thinks for a moment how to segue into a new point. She knows how to “own the stage”.
    Sample – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SP3vLOrRGbg

  23. Tel

    They went on to organize and promote this “Justice Democrats” political action committee, with the objective of replacing “corporate Democrats” who take money from corporate donors, with progressives funded by voter donations, along the lines of the Sanders campaign. They endorsed candidates across America in 2018 primaries, and AOC was their biggest success.

    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/the-tech-millionaire-behind-the-socialist-chief-of-staff-who-boosted-ocasio-cortez-to-power-made-riches-in-silicon-valley

    Good work Cenk Uygur, you sure showed those corporate Democrats by backing a different corporate Democrat, how successful of you! How Progressive!

  24. John A

    Roger #2954973, posted on March 10, 2019 at 11:47 am

    She is also bizarrely confident for a 29-year-old…

    That’s simply because she hasn’t yet learned how much she doesn’t know.

    I have seen the whole of that Congressional hearing piece.

    She may be cool but she has no idea what she has unearthed via her line of questioning.

    Beware when pointing the finger at your opponent, because there are three still pointing back at yourself.

    What was the financial position of the Obamas, the Clintons upon leaving the Oval Office, compared to their position when they entered?

  25. Dr Fred Lenin

    I suppose this aoc crap is normal in career politics ,after all their libs had turnbu;; a useless egotist ,pyne , bushop and the socialists had krudd ,giliard and now shorten ,career politics is all show no substance ,you wouldnt employ any of them cleaning toilets let alone running things . Its incomprehensible how they pick the useless articles .

  26. JC

    You have a Turkish looking thug, an Indian who celebrates another Indian who advocated a “third way” (Nazism and Communism) and a Puerto Rican bug eyes telling Americans their country is evil and needs to be radically changed. Okay, got it.

  27. Myrddin Seren

    Makes more sense to me than that some lass who started her own publishing company decides to become the vanguard cadre of the Americano Bolivaran Revolution.

    Those expensive wardrobes borrowed for photoshoots need some kind of collateral behind them.

    Of course, one question is – where is the money coming from ?

    So, as Tel has shown us, AOC’s ‘director’ Saikat Chakrabarti isn’t short of a quid. And presumably he can call on other Silicon Valley tech millionaire socialists.

    And in the video – I think about Cenk Uygur ? – Soros and Open Borders gets a mention. Surprise !

    In fact, it sounds like a pretty smart strategy by the Justice Democrats. Don’t support the usual political animals who might wander off the reservation…put up ‘faces’ with good social media, and get the Yoof rolling in.

    And if AOC is not her own rep – probably that is another step along the road to Identity Politics institutionalised. Plus remind me how many ALP pollies are allowed to vote outside the approved platform ?

    We have seen the future and this looks to be a slab of it.

  28. DaveR

    AOC has all the hallmarks of an actor

    Lets say all this is true, and AOC is just a talking head that is fully scripted and cant go off piste.
    How different is that to what happens in mainstream politics in Australia and the US anyway? You only would need a live debate to show viewers she has nothing else. How many candidates have Australians had parachuted into positions because they are an actor/sportsperson/journalist/racial group?

    Taking the broader point, its difficult to see them getting 20 actor-candidates up successfully.

    Far more insidious in the Australian context is the likes of GetUp working lock-step with the union movement and the ALP to target coaltion seats, all under the electoral watchdog radar.

  29. Overburdened

    Parallel this with Breitbarts report on this person promoting the new age of automation as a good thing coz more free time and stuff. I think l remember a past OzzPM trying to flog the same idea.
    Naturally it will require many people whose station in life is not to be a creative or an academic type to be permanently relegated to the undermensch.
    This is the socialist approach, always with many being surplus to demand.

  30. JC

    Snoopy posted this on the open thread. It should also be posted here as a record.

    Bug Eyes Indian senior adviser wears T-shirts with this guy’s image on the front- che-like.

    Snoopy
    #2955136, posted on March 10, 2019 at 5:25 pm

    Wait! What? I thought Nazism was the antithesis of Communism? Well not according to Netaji Subhas Chandra Bose, one of the fathers of the Indian independence movement.

    In a speech to students of Tokyo University in 1944, Netaji said India needs to have a philosophy that “should be a synthesis between national socialism (Nazism) and communism”.

  31. Overburdened

    In response to my first comment.
    The alleged person on the video is an alien lizard shapeshifter.
    To be fair, I read this on Breitbart.

  32. Myrddin Seren

    In a speech to students of Tokyo University in 1944, Netaji said India needs to have a philosophy that “should be a synthesis between national socialism (Nazism) and communism”.

    Ummm – yup.

  33. Overburdened

    FMD
    In response to mh’s first comment.

  34. Overburdened

    Untermensch while I’m at it.

  35. Squirrel

    Yep, it must be about time for another remake of the Manchurian Candidate.

  36. Tel

    In fact, it sounds like a pretty smart strategy by the Justice Democrats. Don’t support the usual political animals who might wander off the reservation…put up ‘faces’ with good social media, and get the Yoof rolling in.

    Pretend to be offering a hipster alternative … which has the same old talking points mildly zinged up with a touch of revolutionary fire, impossible aspirations, and sprinkled with minority identity groups. For what it’s worth, this is the team:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brand_New_Congress

    Their platform is listed:
    * Infrastructure — more big government spend, bridges to nowhere, things people didn’t want.
    * Socialized health system — massive inefficiency read “The Primal Prescription” for explanation.
    * End the War on Drugs and demilitarize police — I agree with the idea, but I suspect bait and switch will happen because these people don’t really want to shrink government.
    * More money to teacher’s unions and broken government education system.
    * Cut taxes for middle and low income people — low income people don’t pay federal income tax now so it’s just a sound’s good policy, I expect they actually want to increase tax and AOC has said as much.
    * Remove money from politics — aspirational motherhood statement, anyway they are in the business of PUTTING money into politics themselves.
    * Immigration — they quote “pathway to citizenship”, but we expect open borders.
    * “Stop fighting reckless wars and instead support economic development like with the Marshall Plan.”
    * Climate change, green economy, renewable energy — snake oil, obviously won’t work.

  37. mh

    I think that’s Joan Baez.

  38. Doig

    Looks like a neophyte just found out how political candidates get chosen.

  39. candy

    I think that’s Joan Baez.

    Che Guevara kind of image.

  40. Jock

    Sounds like the DNC has its own Michael Photios. He would lead the Sort of Young Greeks rather than the Young (Ugly) Turks. Same MO.

  41. Viva

    If these puppeteers are such geniuses how come even Democrats are sneering at the idiotic Green New Deal AOC is spouting?

  42. RealWorld

    “What if it’s true!”
    How many politicians are there on merit – have a look at em! They are there because they can be controlled
    By swine like shorten, Turnbull, photios etc – I’m sure the American versions are no better. It seems the only cure for failed socialism is more socialism

  43. Ian of Brisbane

    How can there be brains behind someone who thinks the world will end in 12 years from global warming?

  44. Myrddin Seren

    If these puppeteers are such geniuses how come even Democrats are sneering at the idiotic Green New Deal AOC is spouting?

    The greatest talent in their otherwise worthless lives The Political Class seems to display is getting preselected, and hopefully elected.

    And then it all seems to go to shit.

  45. Leo G

    Don’t cry for me Bernie Sanders
    The truth is I never left you
    All through my wild days
    My mad existence
    I kept my promise

  46. egg_

    Trump must laughing at this latest Democrats splinter group, per Garrison.

  47. Siltstone

    For the sake of argument let’s assume there are two types of precocious talent. First, to stick to a pre-prepared script with convincing verve. Second, to go solo with ones own convincing thoughts. Clearly AOC has yet to even attempt the second.

  48. Crossie

    One ScoMo doesn’t make a Spring
    #2955001, posted on March 10, 2019 at 12:50 pm
    Yeah and nah and yeah.

    How different is this from other candidates lobbed up from mainstream parties? This to me is a new level of slickness and polish. AOC has all the hallmarks of an actor ..but then so many of our political class are as well. The swamp just getting swampier.

    I assumed all of them are more or less gormless just spouting off what their advisor tell them.

  49. Crossie

    Ian of Brisbane
    #2955235, posted on March 10, 2019 at 7:40 pm
    How can there be brains behind someone who thinks the world will end in 12 years from global warming?

    Yeah, so much for her brilliant advisors.

  50. GTP722

    I had the dubious honour of listening to Shireen Morris deliver a speech to a group of young women recently, supposedly about “Leadership”. After detailing her life story she kind of veered off into something about the “gender pay gap” and the conclusion of her her speech had a “yay for girl power” type vibe. It was hard to fathom how a constitutional lawyer standing for parliament could come off as such a lightweight, but maybe the ALP are so confident they’re just taking the piss?

  51. 132andBush


    How can there be brains behind someone who thinks the world will end in 12 years from global warming?

    It’s intelligent from their point of view.
    An ambit claim that entrances the green base but can be walked back to make it look as though they’re “reasonable”, at a future date.

  52. Mother Lode

    How can there be brains behind someone who thinks the world will end in 12 years from global warming?

    Rather, brains behind someone who says the world will end in 12 years from global warming.

    What was the effect on her audience?

    What a politician says has nothing to do with beliefs. AOC may be unusual in that she believes what she says, but it is far from certain and would represent a significant break from tradition. But her disarmingly lightweight demeanour is precisely what is causing her opponents to dismiss her, convinced that in the long run she will trip herself up even among her followers.

    But what her followers see is not what her opponents see.

    I don’t really think there is a grand subtle plot, with unseen malign puppet-masters pulling strings, but that there is a strategy behind wide-eyed bobble-headed dashboard ornament is not that far fetched.

    To get to the Senate she must have had more nous about her (likely not her own) than every one else trying for the same gig. It is not really something people just trip over and fall into.

  53. stackja

    AOC has found her niche.

  54. Tintarella di Luna

    When the world was sane Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez would have been wearing a sandwich board as the only platform available – unfortunately its is the media which gives this nitwit and the ‘brains” behind her.

  55. J.H.

    Well Hillary Clinton was no different…. Just the wife of an ex President, who was parachuted in as a Senator of New York, who then became Secretary of State for Obama’s administration, all the while with a team strategizing for her run at the White House as President.

    To be frank, the entire political class are a cabal of shysters. The Taxpool’s endless supply of money is like dogshit to blowflies. They’ll never let us turn the taps off to it.

  56. Ellen of Tasmania

    3 1/2 mins of the young lady explaining that the US has moved ‘far away from what they were’. These socialists could well win the hearts and minds of the young if the conservatives go on conserving crapitalism instead of espousing the constitutional liberties and responsibilities that the US really has ‘moved far away from’. Do the young know enough about their history to know they weren’t established as a socialist state? Ms AOC is heading in the wrong direction but she has global support. Who is really fighting for ‘the way we were’ or something better?

  57. Eyrie

    The Young Turks want to take over an existing political party with a long history, networks and blind idiot supporters because it is way easier than starting another party. Smart politics.
    Isn’t that what Malcolm Turnbull did?

  58. Baldrick

    She’s rather stupid when she goes off script:

    Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez ✔ @AOC
    [email protected] is how I first practiced how to change brake fluid, start a fire, practice self-defense, recreate the NASA Challenger mission, and v importantly: learn to teach myself new skills + navigate ambiguity. 🚀
    There’s a reason a large of Congresswomen are former scouts!

    Not sure recreating the NASA Challenger mission, which exploded after take-off, is something to boast about.

  59. Mother Lode

    @girlscouts is how I first practiced how to change brake fluid, start a fire, practice self-defense, recreate the NASA Challenger mission, and v importantly: learn to teach myself new skills + navigate ambiguity. 🚀
    There’s a reason a large of Congresswomen are former scouts!

    Changing Brake Fluid – presumably this is like gender fluid where you simply decide what you is and everyone must accept it as an absolute truth.

    start a fire – not to good when going for a cooking badge.

    practice self-defense – you burn everyone’s dinner enough times and you will eventually learn to defend yourself from the all-too-predictable pummelling.

    recreate the NASA Challenger mission – that damn elusive cooking badge again!

    learn to teach myself new skills – apparently no one wanted to be with her.

    + navigate ambiguity – normal people resolve ambiguity by removing it. Keeping two ideas with inconsistent truth values is also called doublethink.

    There’s a reason a large of Congresswomen are former scouts! – Looking at the calibre of congresswomen suggests there is a problem with Girl Scouts.

    And I bet they are all terrible cooks.

  60. Mark M

    “This is not a band,” Tork once told the UK’s Telegraph in 2016.
    “It’s an entertainment operation whose function is Monkee music,” he told Britain’s Telegraph newspaper during a Monkees’ tour in 2016.
    “It took me a while to get to grips with that but what great music it turned out to be!
    And what a wild and wonderful trip it has taken us on!”

    https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2019/02/21/entertainment/peter-tork-dead/index.html?__twitter_impression=true

    Q. What if this is true?

    The above quote came to mind.

    RIP Peter Tork.

  61. warren raymond

    Wasn’t Hussein Obama a similar pick? His preparation was a bit more intense, but wasn’t he a good actor?

  62. Dr Fred Lenin

    Being in congress isbetter than serving drinks to drunken louts who grope you when your hands are full ,all those old people in congress remind me of the old drunks I used to serve ,but they dont give tips .mizz occaisional corsets was quoted as saying to our CNN “journalite”.

  63. Sinclair Davidson

    Hmmmmm. Political party has pre-selection process and requires its candidates to subscribe to its own range of political opinions. SHOCKING.

  64. stackja

    Sinc – Dems have policies?

  65. PB

    “ALP have found a candidate that fits the bill. She has taken to wearing white while out and about. Her name is Shireen Morris. all smiles and big eyes”

    The number of reasons to not vote for her is breathtaking, just on bio alone.

  66. Sinclair Davidson

    Sinc – Dems have policies?

    Alas – yes.

  67. Iampeter

    What if this is true?

    What is what is true?
    There’s nothing revelatory in the linked video.

    She is also bizarrely confident for a 29-year-old…
    That’s simply because she hasn’t yet learned how much she doesn’t know.

    It’s because her ethics is consistent with her politics, hence she sounds confident.
    You don’t see this from conservatives because they have the altruist ethics of socialists but claim to be capitalists, which requires an egoist ethics.
    This inconsistency is glaring whenever they try to talk politics and makes them sound shifty, evasive and unsure of themselves. They don’t really know anything about politics, so don’t understand it’s relationship with ethics, anyway.

    To solve this little problem, conservatives have simply decided to abandon capitalism and embrace a variety of old school leftist ideas instead. Things like nationalism and tariffs, etc.
    They aren’t socialists, but then they aren’t really anything. They’ve given up on having coherent ideas.

    As such, there’s no counter to OAC in mainstream politics today.

  68. Destroyer D69

    Shift the venue to the theatre of Australian politics with local actors and handlers and the script fits perfectly

  69. JohnJJJ

    Reagan is describing standard Trotskyite entrysm: infiltration, stooges and issues to abandon once in complete power.
    The problem for Mr Uygur is that he doesn’t have the ideology – such as Leninism – to keep central control.
    His overbearing thuggism just isn’t enough.

  70. cohenite

    AOC may have been groomed, polished and spat out but she is as dumb as a bag of rocks: she said these things:

    The world will end in 12 years.

    The tax deferral of $3 billion to Amazon was to her a direct subsidy which could be taken back and spent on hospitals.

    The reason why there is full employment in the US is because everyone is working at 2 jobs

  71. Cynic of Ayr

    I too, for a while, was in favor of very limited terms for politicians. Once in, and in a safe seat or position, what was there to do? Just go along with whatever made you popular.
    But Governments must Govern. A naive idea, but there it is.
    So, if terms were limited to one term, as suggested in the comments, we have some possible outcomes:
    1. “Well here I am for one term. Can’t be sacked, so just go with the flow for a few short years.”
    2. “Well here I am for one term. Better make the most of it and get some sensible things done.”
    3. “Well here I am for one term. Better make the most of it, and get some or all of the weird Country destroying ideas my Party has instructed me to do.”
    4. “Well here I am for one term. I don’t know what to do! I’ll ask the Public Servants what to do.”
    4a. The Public Servants most likely in this country, will gleefully advise to follow example 3.
    4b. The Public Servants will run the show, as there isn’t enough time to muck about with a newcomer.
    None of the above are particularly attractive.
    The problem is, of course, that unlimited terms don’t fix the above problems either. This is well proven over the last twenty years or so. Too many become time servers.
    Labor is particularly fond of parking used Union Reps into the Senate, and openly agree that it is a retirement job for them.
    However, this particular problem is fixable at the Party grass roots level. Just because Politicians are incumbent, should not guarantee favoritism next time! Just thought, the problem of being there too long is also fixable at the Party grass roots level. The flaw in this idea is that the hierarchy of the Party, almost always overrule grass roots level anyway. I can’t imagine that Labor or the Greens would be all that democratic in candidate selection!
    My thought is that Politicians have given all their authority and decision making away, to other unelected groups. “It’s not my fault! That service provider is independent of Government. Government just pays them.”
    The ABC for example. Only the other day it was said that the Minister cannot interfere as the ABC is independent in who it hires, what it produces and broadcasts, and what the subjects are! It can be truthfully said that the ABC is independent of it’s charter.
    In contrast, Qld Ports and Airports are Government run Businesses. The Minister does interfere. Any objecting Board Members are dispatched. The books are not open to the public – the owners – as it is “Commercial in Confidence.”
    Having said all of the above, I’m at a bit of a loss what to think is the better option. The US has for years limitd their President for two terms, but there is no limit for other offices. The rationale for this escapes me. Surely if having a President for more than eight years was dangerous in some way, then having other decision makers being there from the age of Thirty of Forty, until aged Eighty and above, was just as dangerous.
    I’m inclined to think that really authoritative, and well meaning Politician’s there for the common good, are a rarity.
    I think the real problem is not length of service, but lack of dedication.

  72. Herodotus

    If Labor try this here …
    They and GetUp are already trying it, and it worked in Wentworth.
    It worked in Indi.
    Warringah is being gamed now.

  73. Louis

    but she’s sooooo pretty!

  74. PB

    “but she’s sooooo pretty!”

    Until she bares those teeth.

  75. Destroyer D69

    Cynic of Ayr
    #2955719, posted on March 11, 2019 at 3:30 pm

    I too, for a while, was in favor of very limited terms for politicians. Once in, and in a safe seat or position, what was there to do? Just go along with whatever made you popular.
    But Governments must Govern. A naive idea, but there it is.
    In reply…If we have Right of Recall they are by default on continuous notice to perform as required. From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    A recall election (also called a recall referendum or representative recall) is a procedure by which, in certain polities, voters can remove an elected official from office through a direct vote before that official’s term has ended. Recalls, which are initiated when sufficient voters sign a petition, have a history dating back to ancient Athenian democracy[1] and feature in several current constitutions. In indirect or representative democracy, people’s representatives are elected and these representatives rule for a specific period of time. However, where the facility to recall exists, should any representative come to be perceived as not properly discharging their responsibilities, then they can be called back with the written request of specific number or proportion of voters.

  76. Gerard

    We have had our own parties infiltrated by LINOs – Liberals In Name Only.

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