How about we all just get along

The right side of politics consists of people who believe in tolerance and getting along with those who are willing to be tolerant and get along with us. If you are really interested in dealing with those who actually use hatred as part of their political outlook, then it is to the left you must go. Antifa and all of the other goon squads are made of up members of the left. Milo, of all people, has been at the centre of this kind of action. This is all in aid of mentioning that Moderate Muslim leader to tour Australia who you might have seen on Bolt last night. If you are interested in seeing him in person, these are his tour venues and dates.

MELBOURNE 12TH MARCH 2019
Date: Tuesday 12th March 2019
Time: 7:30pm
Venue: Melbourne City Conference Centre, 333 Swanston Street, Melbourne VIC 3000

MELBOURNE 13TH MARCH 2019
An evening with Dr Jasser and Dr Bernie Power, adding to the conversation about Islam, Islamism and Muslim Reform.
Date: Wednesday 13th March 2019
Time: 7:30pm
Venue: Melbourne City Conference Centre, 333 Swanston Street, Melbourne VIC 3000

SYDNEY 16TH MARCH 2019
Date: Saturday 16th March 2019
Time: 7:30pm
Venue: University of Sydney, ABS Lecture Theatre 1130, Clark Building H12, Darlington NSW 2006

Booking details are here.

And if you are interested in reading what he says, you can get a copy of his book here.

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32 Responses to How about we all just get along

  1. stackja

    He was on with AJ this morning.

  2. Enoch Root

    He was born in USA. Easy to be a “moderate muslim” if you were shielded from all the crap since birth. I bet no real leader of Middle-East Islam have any regard for him whatsoever.

  3. Bruce of Newcastle

    Like Imam Tawhidi, Dr Jasser is doing good stuff. But sadly his idea of reformation of Islam is arse-backwards. Islam has already been undergoing its own version of the Reformation: for about 250 years the Wahhabist movement has been returning to the textual basis of the Koran, as the Christian Reformation likewise did viz the Bible.

    Some groups have had a degree of success softening Islam, like the Ahmadis and the Sufis. But they only do so by not practicing the Koran rigorously, and they are considered heretical by the mainstream Sunnis and the Shi’a. Many Ahmadis have been murdered in Pakistan and Indonesia especially.

  4. Roger

    Reform Islam?

    That means revising the Quran.

    Good luck with that.

  5. Up The Workers!

    Will Dodgy Dan’s Fatty A and the “Get Pell” Goon-Squad bill him $50,000.00 as punishment for his political views, too, like they did with Milo last time?

  6. stackja

    Muslim reformist calls for separation of mosque and state
    1 HOUR AGO
    ALAN JONES DR ZUHDI JASSER

    A Muslim reformist is advocating for the separation of mosque and state to bring Islam into the 21st century.

    Dr Zuhdi Jasser, the founder of the American Islamic Forum for Democracy, is currently on a speaking tour of Australia.

    Dr Jasser is a practising Muslim who grew up in the US and served in the Navy for 11 years.

    He tells Alan Jones his parents, Syrian refugees who fled their homeland, taught him to be patriotic.

    “I grew with a passion for loving America, and felt there was a duty to serve.

    “My family taught me that the only thing I’d ever want to die for is the United States.”

    He says Muslims need to stand up to the Islamic establishment to help prevent radicalisation.

    “The end goal is to develop a new Sharia, a new Islamic interpretation of law that’s in the 21st century.

    “The first step is the separation of mosque and state, the belief that we as Muslims reject any Islamic state identity.”

    Click PLAY below to listen to the full interview

    Play

  7. Critical Mass

    How can you reform something which is not genuine in the first place? Islam is an ersatz religion based on the Koran, which is itself an artefact and the written syncretic delusions of a 7th century warlord who was probably high on hashish most of the time. It is a cult of violence and subjugation.

    The Koran – Mein Kamph with a turban. It is a manual for predatory psychopaths sprinkled with religious insights purloined from the bible, then warped and distorted to give it pseudo-religious cachet. The only way to reform a cult based on hate and dominance is to let it destroy itself or to smash it into pieces.

  8. Jo Smyth

    Some people are easily conned. Muslims want world domination and any tactic or approach is worth trying.
    The trouble with Conservatives is they are so ready to appease and be taken advantage of.

  9. JohnL

    There are two types of Muslims – radical and moderate.
    Moderate Muslims are the radical Muslims who run out of ammunition.
    Radical Muslims want to kill us, moderate Muslims want radical Muslims to kill us.
    There are also some good Muslims – dead ones.

  10. warren raymond

    Zuhdi Yasser has a following of none among Muslims. His whole fan club consists of kuffars.

    His efforts are directed at infidels to make them believe that there is another Islam, one that is benign, tolerant, one that we can live under. He makes you believe that some misunderstanders, “radicals”, get Islam all wrong and calls them “Islamists”.

    But if you ask the right questions Yasser has a short fuse and bumps you off. Just like Maajid Nawaz and that other babble mouth, Raheel Reza, who wants “her Islam back”, as if some bad people misinterpreted the Koran & the sunna.

    Those who are savvy won’t be fooled. Those who like the sweet talk will run with it. Unfortunately.

  11. Helen

    A one star comment from Amazon. I agree.

    A little critical analysis would be in order here. Jasser’s claim to be a “devout Muslim” rings hollow. Not drinking alcohol, not eating pork and supposedly praying times a day is purely ritualistic and does not prove he is a “devout Muslim”. There is much more to Islam than that. There is a whole body of doctrines based on Islam’s sacred texts: the Koran and the sayings of Muhammad.

    Jasser is a lone voice in the desert of Islam, and that is precisely the problem with him. As a lone voice, he is irrelevant. He has no following. He is a physician with no religious qualifications to persuade religious Moslems that his idiosyncratic version of Islam is really Islam. Because Jasser speaks primarily to non-Moslems, he is not a reformer. A religious reformer must be a religious leader, and Jasser is not a religious leader. To be a reformer, he would have to speak to Moslems and have a following among them. He is the concerned non-Moslems’ posterboy Moslem. We wish that all Moslems were like him, but they aren’t and never will be.

    He claims to be a “devout Muslim”, yet (to his credit, I might add) he rejects fundamental Islamic doctrines such as primarily loyalty to the worldwide Islamic community (ummah), jihad (war against non-Moslems in order to make Islam victorious over all other religions) and the requirement to follow sharia law. He may call himself a “devout Muslim”, but the entire Islamic religious establishment and their faithful followers disagree with him.

    More troublesome is his insistence that the Koran and Muhammad do not say what anyone can see that they say about how to deal with non-Moslems and women. Islamic doctrines are what they are, and Jasser’s dishonest denial of the existence of those doctrines just misleads non-Moslems.

    And the notion that Islam needs to be reformed like the Christian Reformation shows unforgivable ignorance both about the Christian Reformation and about Islam. The Christian Reformation was, essentially, a revolt against the political power of the Catholic Church and a reversion to the sacred texts (Bible). In Islam, it is the sacred texts which are the problem. The trouble with Islam comes precisely when faithful Moslems decide to follow their sacred texts. Jasser deliberately lies to the non-Moslem public about this.

    Jasser seriously misleads the non-Moslem public by saying that “political Islam”, but not Islam, is the problem. But, in Islam, there is no such category as “political Islam”. The entire Islamic religious establishment will tell you that Islam is a complete way of life that regulates all aspects of society. Here is a quotation from the most respected Islamic religious authority in the world, Yusuf Qaradawi: “Islam is not a religion in the common, distorted meaning of the word, confining its scope only to the private life of man. By saying that it is a complete way of life, we mean that it caters for all the fields of human existence. In fact, Islam provides guidance for all walks of life – individual and social, material and moral, economic and political, legal and cultural, national and international.” It is impossible to take “political Islam” out of Islam, and Dr. Jasser is being dishonest when he says otherwise.

    Supposedly, Dr. Jasser reads the Qur’an every day. If so, then he knows that the Koran calls for war on non-Moslems. If he were honest, he would say so. However, if he were honest, he would lose his identity as a “devout Muslim”, and nobody would listen to him.

    As for Jasser’s version of Islam, it is not Islam as the Islamic religious establishment has understood it for 1400 years. As they say, you can straighten out a corkscrew, but then it is not a corkscrew anymore.

  12. mh

    A red alert 🚨

    …who you might have seen on Bolt last night

  13. Steve Kates:

    This is all in aid of mentioning that Moderate Muslim leader to tour Australia who you might have seen on Bolt last night.

    Stating someone is a MM is similar to saying a dormant virus is a moderate virus. There is no such thing.
    And if you are interested in reading what he says, you can get a copy of his book here.
    No thanks, Steve.
    The only way to deal with an illness like Islam is to quarantine it and let it burn itself out. Currently there are way too many loci of contagion in Western civilisation for my comfort.

  14. struth

    Helen’s post is spot on.
    However I wish to add that I’m insulted by the arrogance.

    Islam came to Christian countries, to the west, not the other way aound.

    NOT THE OHER WAYY AROUND.
    How dare any muslim dare tell us what we need to do to fix Islam.
    How arrogant is he to talk about this problem as if we have some duty to fix it.

    I don’t want to hear about it.
    Islam, is totally and utterly repugnant to western society, and totally and utterly unnecessary.
    Unlike Christian values , I may add.

    How dare they bother the good Christian western people with this.
    They should be on their knees, grateful to be here, and apologetic to anyone who’s had to put up with any muslim crap for a second.
    They need to self sensor and work their shit out, or else be wiped from the western world.

    Who really, is not offended by the arrogance of even this fauxmuslim?

  15. Phill

    “What is wrong with inciting intense dislike of a religion is the activities or teachings of that religion are so outrageous, irrational or abusive of human rights that they deserve to be intensely disliked?”
    Rowen Atkinson

  16. Jock

    You guys just dont get it! The pollies know its about diversity. The journalists know its about diversity. The editor of the Oz tells us its about diversity. We need muslims here to prove our “diversity”. We would prefer moderate ones otherwise we will have big problems.

    The problem for moderates is that all muslims are enjoined to be like Muhammad….the perfect man. (Woman?) Now having read a bit of the Koran and the Sura, it is evident that at first M was a moderate. But then he was told by god “bugger this” we need to chop a few heads. M quickly fell in line. After all how do you argue with god after that third reefer. M liked (in no particular order) War, Slaves, Murdering Captives, Loot and subservience. Oh and lots of wives and “concubines” (ie captured sex slaves we call them).

    So there is the problem this guy has. What would you prefer? Loot , Slaves etc or to be lead by Tony Blair or MT or Merkel?

    Next querstion?

  17. The ignorance is breathtaking.

    As an atheist whose birth certificate says “Musliman”, and who has seen the changes in the Australian Muslim community for the last 50 years, let me set some facts:

    * If a nations Muslim population reaches and passes 6 %, then that nation is in for frequent inevitable problems. SERIOUS PROBLEMS.
    * Likewise, a ‘moderate’ Muslim community will not stay and CANNOT stay moderate if even a small percentage of them are fundamentalists.
    * IT ONLY TAKES ONE MOSQUE. I’ll say it again….IT ONLY TAKES ONE MOSQUE.
    * We think it’s the younger ones, the 2nd generation who get radicalised. This is wrong. It is first the elders who are pressured by the Imams and fundamentalists to return to the traditional ways. It is the older folk who start going to the Mosque, who stop drinking alcohol and who start praying 5 times a day.
    The younger ones, who’ve been indoctrinated by OUR SCHOOLS that Western Civ is immoral and has a history of crimes against humanity (and minorities, Muslims etc), are easy targets for grooming and radicalizing. It’s not hard to make them hate us when we hate ourselves. Funny that.

    So in short, so long as we import enough numbers, they will congregate together (observe Lakemba, Broadmeadows etc), they will want their Mosques, and the rest will be history. THERE IS NO TURNING BACK.
    Unless we can break up suburbs like Lakemba and bulldoze Mosques (less than zero chance at mo), then many of us will suffer and it will end in violence but the end will not come for decades if ever.
    That’s a long time to suffer just because we couldn’t say no today to importing a 7th Century ideology.

    For those who think we can win this, take a minute to think about birth rates and demographic changes. We have zero chance unless….
    * We stop ALL immigration from Muslim countries.
    * We stop giving visas to visiting Imams.
    * We do not allow any more Mosque building.
    * We bulldoze existing Mosques at the weakest of excuses (i.e. one terrorist from a particular Mosque, bulldoze that Mosque)
    * Strip citizenship (if naturalised, like me) and deport families at the weakest of excuses. The rest will get the message.
    * Hope the numbers dilute, and less youngsters are indoctrinated as generations pass and Islam becomes an irrelevant religion in this country.

    These are not just my observations and opinions. One just needs to take the time to look at any country, at any time in history that has had large numbers of Muslims move in. There is not a single instance of a positive outcome…..NOT ONE.

  18. Enoch Root

    Look. Don’t get me wrong (and I know I am a newcomer here in Cat). It would be really great that Dr. Jasser had any success in his so called reform. I had this conversation before and someone pointed me to the following website: https://muslimscondemn.com/

    This apparently was created by a muslim US student trying to convince herself that muslim-related terrorism acts were condemned by muslim leaders. While this might be truth, the majority of the so called “condemnation” she listed were muslim leaders living in the West.

    I might be a little naive, but I’ve never heard (and a quick Google search issued no hits) of a muslim terrorist being convicted of any terrorism-related crime in a muslim state. I might be wrong – I obviously don’t speak any arabic to be able to do a broad research – and if I am, please, show me any evidence of that. The counterpart happens all the time with Western countries regularly convicting Western terrorists regardless of their religion (or lack of one).

    So, forgive me if I am a little skeptical about this self-promoting moderate islam “leaders”. Until a time where so called moderate muslims actually point fingers at and call the names of those among them promoting terrorist acts leading to their actual conviction and jail-time, I’ll believe in no “reform” movement.

  19. Enoch Root:
    A ‘Moderate Muslim’ is just one who is incubating the Islamivirus and is yet to show any overt symptoms of this horrific disease.
    from the Book of Winston.

  20. Tel

    It’s not hard to make them hate us when we hate ourselves. Funny that.

    Who do you mean “we”?

    In the Muslim world Sunni hates Shia and Shia hates Sunni and both hate the Sufi, some hate the Alawites. The Western powers have been able to keep all the Muslims whacking each other, while doing a bit of free weapons testing. However “we” aren’t a collective entity … Western Socialists want to destroy Western Capitalists … big business wants to put small business out of business … Lockheed Martin wants to get paid the big bucks to produce crazy tech weapons … Zuc wants to own your brain. Western teachers see their students as a means to power. Muslims see their babies as a means to power. Everyone wants something for themselves … doubly so those who loudly shout that they don’t.

    For those who think we can win this, take a minute to think about birth rates and demographic changes. We have zero chance unless….

    Again, who do you mean “we” … and what do you mean by “win”?

    Have the Western powers achieved victory in Afghanistan? Well, if the objective was to spend a lot of public money, grow opium and make profits (that seems to be the only plausible explanation that fits the observation) then it sure looks like victory for some. Perhaps not everyone sees it the same way, but since there never was a stated objective to begin with, you are left with filling in the blanks where you see fit. We are a sad, lost people in search of a purpose … a people so good at making weapons that we swore to give it up forever, not because our leaders have any intrinsic problem with violence, but because the size of the kaboom got too darn big to fit on the available battlefield. If the Muslim community wants to yank that crank, I would ask them “Please do not!” but deep down I know that sooner or later someone is gonna do it. Everyone knows that … don’t want to talk about it. Keep going, try to do something good, and hope for the best.

    One just needs to take the time to look at any country, at any time in history that has had large numbers of Muslims move in. There is not a single instance of a positive outcome…..NOT ONE.

    You seem to be struggling with the concept that governments make problems so they can demand more money and power in the hope of solving the problems they made. Never let a good crisis go to waste. War is the health of the state. Maybe there’s a Muslim translation of these concepts … I doubt it works any different in Iran or Saudi Arabia.

  21. David Brewer

    Carl Goldberg on Jasser: https://youtu.be/B94L8o44_94?t=5551

    Worth watching the whole thing, very educational.

  22. Who do you mean “we”?

    We is a generalization of the Judeo Christian Greko Roman cultures collectively known as Western Civilization.
    When I say “we” hate ourselves, I don’t mean every single one of us and you know that Tel, so stop being a smart arse. This is a blog comment, not a 13 week uni course.
    What do you think is being taught in “our” schools? “The West is bad” education is happening throughout the West.
    Sure, many of “us” don’t like it, but it is happening.

    In the Muslim world Sunni hates Shia and Shia hates Sunni and both hate the Sufi, some hate the Alawites. The Western powers have been able to keep all the Muslims whacking each other, while doing a bit of free weapons testing.

    You are being naive Tel. The Sunni and the Shite have been fighting since about the 1st Caliph 1300 years ago.
    If the western powers cut off all contact with the Muslim World, do you think they’ll stop fighting each other?
    Do you think India’s problems with their Muslims is because of the West? Do you think the once Christian Egypt had Muslim problems because of the West? Maybe it’s the West testing weapons in West Burma that’s caused Burma’s problems with her Muslims at the Bangladeshi border?

    Again, who do you mean “we” … and what do you mean by “win”?

    We means what I said above. We live in places like Europe, GB, USA, CAN, NZ, AUS.
    Again, I understand we are not a collective entity, except for our shared culture. In that regard “we” is apt. How else would you describe the people living a Judeo Christian ethos?

    By win I mean for our culture to continue, not be taken over. There are two competing ideas among the Islamists. One believes they need to take over by force, the other believes they can take over by stealth. (Immigration, demographics, conversions etc).
    I’m not concerned about those who want to fight us. Look what happened to ISIS. I’m more concerned by the Muslim Brotherhood and Wahabbi types who are working at taking over the West by stealth. This has been their plan since the fall of the Ottomans.
    Where do you think the money to build thousands of Mosques in the West comes from? Where do you think the money to establish Islamic schools in the West comes from?

    You seem to be struggling with the concept that governments make problems so they can demand more money and power in the hope of solving the problems they made.

    Not at all, it just doesn’t apply in this case. The current Muslim problem isn’t unique and isn’t just because governments want to create problems. The Muslim problem is 1300 years old. It just lay dormant for 80 years or so after the fall of the Ottoman Empire.

  23. Muddy

    War is the health of the state.

    Meaning that a state at war is unhealthy, presumably psychologically unhealthy?
    That initiating or responding to armed conflict is always a deficit of personality or cognitive ability?
    That every individual, institution, organisation etc. on this planet, begins at exactly the same point in terms of values, motivations, aspirations, and ethics, and that any resultant conflict is due to the psychological or moral deficit of one identified participant?

  24. Muddy

    Islam came to Christian countries, to the west, not the other way around.

    It’s about the Host-Guest relationship.
    If I invite you to my home and provide you shelter, food, drink, conversation etc., and you spit on the food served, kick my dog, and steal my goat (or my wife, but at least the goat mows the lawn), then you have committed a grave offense to my custom (culture) and abrogated any moral responsibility I may have previously had to ensure you are happy and healthy in my home or neighbourhood.

    It’s really that simple.

  25. mareeS

    I don’t want to get along with nasty people. i’m OK, I like lots of people, apart from toxic ones who aren’tworth Getting,along with.

    The usual suspects are people like I had to go to school with, bitches in their teens, too dumb to compete with me in exams but bullies,wh,try,to bring you down.

    I have worked with men all my adult life in media, and have never been a victim. Same g9es in my personal life,with my husband and children.

  26. Tel

    Meaning that a state at war is unhealthy, presumably psychologically unhealthy?

    People pull together when they have no choice, confronted by a common enemy. In order to be a great leader of men … you need a great enemy to rally your followers.

    https://mises.org/library/bourne-war

    The activities of society — from the words spoken at pulpits to those written in newspapers, from economic exchanges to entertainment — begin to conform with the purposes of the state rather than the self-interest of individuals.

    As society and government merge into the state, the individual begins to disappear. The individual becomes part of what Bourne called “the herd.” He described the term: “The State is the organization of the herd to act offensively or defensively against another herd similarly organized.”

    Bourne acknowledged that the herd was not an emotional or intellectual whole but included a wide range of reactions to events and to war itself. Nevertheless, “by an ingenious mixture of cajolery, agitation, intimidation, the herd is licked into shape, into an effective mechanical unity, if not into a spiritual whole.”

    Moreover, the state used powerful inducements to convince people to “choose” to enlist or otherwise support the war effort. Individuals usually agreed, reluctantly or not, because in “a nation at war, every citizen identifies himself with the whole, and feels immensely strengthened in that identification.”

    But if an individual refused, then the state revealed that choice was never a real issue.

  27. Robber Baron

    He’s muslim. Taqiya.

  28. Tel

    We is a generalization of the Judeo Christian Greko Roman cultures collectively known as Western Civilization.

    In my mind, the first principle of “Western Civilization” is willingness to accept change. That’s why we aren’t talking about “Judeo” culture, nor “Greko” culture, nor “Roman”, not even “Christian” culture. The world moves on, tech changes, attitudes change. Epicurus was Greek and also Athiest, while Plato was more of a central planner but also put forward some useful religious ideas. The Greeks discovered Judaism not by asking around, but by sending a huge army to invade the Middle East. The Romans took what they wanted from Greek culture by dint of conquest.

    Grab a history book … “Western Civilization” consistently takes a beating and comes back tougher than ever. That’s not a miracle … it’s more of a tautology: because whatever comes back after the beating sure as heck has gotta be tough. Some say this process has already happened many times, and that’s how we got here. The culture you see todayt is not what was protected and sheltered against the elements, it’s whatever remained standing after the biggest baddest badarse of the day had a go at it, and the next after that, and so on.

    The Irish chip-on-the-shoulder stubbornness produced our favourite Numbers … and at the same time also produced Tommy Robinson. One of these will go on to do great things. Have a cuppa, and don’t worry too much … it’s a great Western pastime (imported from the East of course).

  29. In my mind, the first principle of “Western Civilization” is willingness to accept change.

    I differ. The first principle is the sovereignty of the individual above the state. Without this, nothing else works or matters.

    That’s why we aren’t talking about “Judeo” culture, nor “Greko” culture, nor “Roman”, not even “Christian” culture.

    We’re not talking about it because it’s verbotten. We used to talk about it. I remember clearly as a primary school w0g kid learning about it in class.

    The world moves on, tech changes, attitudes change.

    Just because we went from a phone on the desk with a twisted wire out of the handset to handsfree mobile phones doesn’t mean core values change.
    Sure, attitudes and conditions change, but these things usually take a long time. We’re talking time spans of generations.
    What has any of that got to do with importing unsuitable cultures in large numbers within 20 years?
    What has any of that got to do with a young blonde girl not being able to….allowed to….walk down a particular street in Lakemba because the “locals” would be upset and peace would be disturbed?

    I’m not sure what you’re going on about Tel. I don’t deny the fact that cultures change, circumstances change. I’m 60 years old FFS, I’ve seen and lived through change.
    You can wax lyrical about the resilience of Western Culture and say

    Have a cuppa, and don’t worry too much

    but tell that to the little girls raped and used as sex slaves in England. Or the women and girls raped in Malmo, Paris and countless other places. The many lives killed and destroyed across the World. TELL THEM TO RELAX AND HAVE A CUPPA.

    I lived both cultures. I’m telling you and anyone else who wishes to listen, that oil and water don’t mix.
    Islam and the West (however we wish to describe it, label it or understand it) will not and can not mix.
    The experiment we are running at mo will hurt many people. You Tel, maybe confident that the West has survived worse and gotten stronger, that’s great, but these things take decades if not centuries.
    We’ve only just begun, but we don’t need to do this. There are ample numbers of others we can import if that’s what we want to do. BUT NOT THIS LOT. This will end in tragedy.

  30. bespoke

    I get that you are talking genuine progress, Tel the one that embraces new and better ideas but keeps the things that work. What these self proclaimed Progressives seem to think is progress as linear with out any regard to side effects. They are attempting to remove any self determination from the individual and hand it to the State by using the age old method of past grievance making the term regressive the most accurate for what’s going on.

  31. JohnJJJ

    Don’t tell us, Ya Jasser, we know, tell yer muslim mates. What a scam.

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