Thursday Forum: March 14, 2019

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  1. JC

    He follows GPS verbal directions to find the Mosque.

    Like really… he hadn’t cased it out beforehand. Okay, that’s not military then. 🙂

  2. dover_beach

    Really terrible news out of Christchurch. Horrible.

  3. Baldrick

    “We stand here and condemn, absolutely, the attack that occurred today by an extremist right-wing violent terrorist.” – Prime Minister Scott Morrison on the Christchurch mosque shooting.

    Stupid.Fucking.Liberals

  4. Overburdened

    Anyone who has spent time in the domestic NZ environment would be aware that the pake ha are more British than the British with a heavy Caledonian overlay, and that they have a proud tradition of gun ownership and occasional spree shootings.
    Taking their weapons will be a hard fought battle.

    On the question of the mental state of the offender(s), naturally their behaviour is not a usual way for integrated people to behave in western (for want of a better word) countries.
    This does not reduce the level of culpability, or explain how from a ‘western’ perspective such behaviour is endorsed and lauded in other places.

  5. bespoke

    Dam it’s gone, All we have now is scraps from the MSM.

  6. DrBeauGan

    This will be what will befall Pell too if the Court of Appeal quashes his conviction.

    Of course.

    Not proved beyond reasonable doubt means guilty as hell but we couldn’t quite prove it to a biased judge.

  7. Overburdened

    Baldrick
    Reductivism is killing the culture

  8. Atoms for Peace

    Big storm brewing, so I’ve let the beagle inside. Bloody thing trying to steal my scotch!

  9. None

    Exactly right Dover and so between now and the appeals hearing the left will do everything to smear Pelland make sure that if the appeal succeeds he is still perceived as guilty. In fact Pell’s defence seems to have suggested this in his sentencing hearing. That they have now absolutely trashed his reputation and any possibility of him returning to his old life including his career. My ideal scenario is that he will be acquitted. The he returns to Rome. That is health holds out. That he’s elected pope ( a Pope who has been vilified for 20 years, was the first to address child sex abuse, and has even serve time after being unfairly accused – now there’s an example you might want to follow) and goes all Corpus Christi on the recalcitranT’s. If the Catholic Church grew some cojones it might find young people will come back.

  10. Oh come on

    The thing is, JC…it’s like he’s systematically trying to piss off everyone. He seems quite calculated in the way he’s branded himself. Who describes themselves as an ecofascist?

  11. calli

    I’m going to make a big call here.

    Morrison’s showboating trumps Rudd.

  12. C.L.

    “We stand here and condemn, absolutely, the attack that occurred today by an extremist right-wing violent terrorist”

    Are there any terrorists who aren’t violent?
    Is it even necessary for “We” (meaning Australia) to “stand here and condemn” – “absolutely,” mind you – the murder of 40 innocent civilians in New Zealand? Of course it isn’t. That is taken as read. You offer your condolences and practical support. Maybe you even shut the hell up for 24 hours until you learn more about the Australian perpetrator and have something more profound to say than “HUGS.”

  13. Arky

    Knowing South Island Kiwis as I do, the dead are lucky he didn’t root most if them afterwards.

  14. calli

    Reporting on Seven from outside the Curtis Cheng police headquarters in Parra.

    Chilling in its sadness.

  15. calli

    Was this what you had in mind C.L.?

  16. None

    Wow misfit that link is disturbing.

    As to why he attacked Muslims, he wrote, “They are the most despised group of invaders in the West, attacking them receives the greatest level of support.” He ranted about climate change, saying that by killing “the invaders” he could “kill the overpopulation and by doing so save the environment.”

    yeah our politicians can all try weasel out of that one

  17. Empire 5:5

    Strong, defiant performance from NZ PM.

    She’s a great actor. I wouldn’t expect anything less.

  18. Notafan

    DB tell the moron to read the decision.

    It’s more that 256 characters so might be a struggle

  19. will

    Candice Owen tweeted:

    To be clear:
    We played the “Candace is Hitler” game.
    We played the “Candace is anti-rape victims” game.

    If the media attempts this “Candace inspired a mosque shooting in New Zealand” bit—they better all lawyer the f*ck up.
    I will go full Covington Catholic lawsuit.
    Try me.

    then: tweet deleted

  20. Empire 5:5

    Who describes themselves as an ecofascist?

    Tom Steyer?

  21. harrys on the boat

    There isn’t room for many more nails, but Morrisons hysterical pre-pubescent response is, at last, the final nail in the Liberal Party’s coffin.

    Disgrace.

  22. dover_beach

    The moron on twitter is telling me also that the parents of both noticed a dramatic change in the respective son around the time of the alleged incident with Pell? Is that true? From what Silvester said, this seems not to be the case.

  23. lotocoti

    I guess scomo would describe the PIRA as right-wing extremists.

  24. Notafan

    Defiant against who?

    One monster who should have been on ASIO etcs radar.

    It’s not like he was hiding his views.

  25. Empire 5:5

    Everything was archived offline earlier today. The evidence will resurface.

  26. Notafan

    Dead son. Heroin addict. They split up around then.

    Teens like a pattern emerging
    Making up complaints and involving people who are dead.

    Though oopsy for the Br Tyrell accuser one of the brothers he thought was dead was not (Be McCabe)

  27. Notafan

    The appeal judges have made it clear in Be Tyrrell’s case that they think the accuser is a liar.

    And not a very good one.

  28. zyconoclast

    From a week ago

    Asda halts sale of single kitchen knives amid UK stabbing epidemic

    Individual kitchen knives are to be removed from sale by one of the UK’s big four supermarkets amid concerns about the country’s rising knife crime epidemic.

    Asda has announced it will no longer stock such items from the end of April.

    It said it had taken the decision in response to the rise in stabbings being reported across the country, particularly those involving children and young people.

    Asda senior vice president Nick Jones, said such knives were one of the chain’s most commonly-stolen products, and there were concerns they could be used as weapons.

  29. Overburdened

    Arky
    I was going to draw a comparison to the waking dead status of sheep rooters in general and the staff at BigW which has finally given up on trying to employ zombies.
    I thought better of it after the events of today.

  30. Notafan

    Isn’t it women and children at the back in a mosque?

    I’m expecting to see more women and children dead as a consequence.

  31. None

    Is this the Pell “victim” that is dead Dover? I was aware that the parents split around that time and that is a perfectly common trigger for kids descending into drug abuse. In fact I think Tanya Plibersek’s husband use design parents break up as the reason why he got into heroin but I’d have to double check that. I can say that naturally divorce affects all children but it really hits teenage boys very very hard. That the dad has now surfaced carrying on smells of a f****** loser dad’s Guilt Trip and one fishing for some cash.

  32. bespoke

    Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez

    @AOC

    At 1st I thought of saying, “Imagine being told your house of faith isn’t safe anymore.”

    But I couldn’t say “imagine.”

    Because of Charleston.
    Pittsburgh.
    Sutherland Springs.

    What good are your thoughts & prayers when they don’t even keep the pews safe?

  33. None

    I bought a small paring knife from a local supermarket recently and I was stopped at the self serve checkout and had to show ID and get an employee to approve the transaction. I’m talking a $4 paring knife to throw into a lunchbox when picnicking down a beach.

  34. None

    Yes Notafan you may be right. Shooting children. What an evil coward.

  35. None

    So Trump wanted to stop Muslim immigration or at least stop immigration from certain Muslim majority countries and this psycho terrorist thinks Trump is to blame for what exactly?

  36. Cassie of Sydney

    “Notafan
    #2959517, posted on March 15, 2019 at 6:35 pm
    Isn’t it women and children at the back in a mosque?

    I’m expecting to see more women and children dead as a consequence.”

    Yep, women and girls at the back…if they are there….women don’t usually go to the mosque. Boys will be at the mosque with their fathers.

    40 dead..ghastly. As much as I detest the ideology that is Islam….I don’t detest individual Muslims.

  37. Notafan

    Every time there is a Muslim terror attack we are told nothing to do with Islam

    Now some nutter with a gun targets Muslims it’s hate speech (criticism of Islam) and right wing collective guilt.

    Can the political class be a little bit consistent.

    At least they can’t throw Christian into the mix.

  38. Infidel Tiger

    Senator Fraser Anning
    @fraser_anning
    Does anyone still dispute the link between Muslim immigration and violence?
    1:50 PM · Mar 15, 2019 · Twitter for iPhone

    Among is not the full quid.

  39. None

    Did that strong define performance come after the we are us whimper this afternoon?

  40. Empire 5:5

    From elsewhere on the web:

    All media now is covering is white nationals are to blame for climate change and white nationals are killing people and it’s all because of Trump and white people.

    This is the attempted narrative shift. Weak sauce.

  41. Notafan

    Someone needs to take annings phone off him.

  42. Cassie of Sydney

    “harrys on the boat
    #2959507, posted on March 15, 2019 at 6:24 pm
    There isn’t room for many more nails, but Morrisons hysterical pre-pubescent response is, at last, the final nail in the Liberal Party’s coffin.

    Disgrace.”

    Agree entirely…actually I think he is worse than Turdbull. The Liberal party is now just ashes……I will find real “right-wing” parties to vote for.

    Fuck you Morrison.

  43. Baldrick

    The Tarrant manifesto can be found here …
    https://www.documentcloud.org/
    Not sure how long it’ll be up, but worth a read into the mind of a psychopath.

  44. Tailgunner

    Dam it’s gone, All we have now is scraps from the MSM.

    I downloaded it to my phone, but the link is dead now. Can’t send it via email as the file is too big.
    Tech Cats?
    Zippy, get in here with the LiveLeak link please.

  45. Cassie of Sydney

    “calli
    #2959497, posted on March 15, 2019 at 6:13 pm
    I’m going to make a big call here.

    Morrison’s showboating trumps Rudd.”

    Calli…you’re not wrong. Rudd with that sociopathic grin….Morrison with the cheshire cat grin. Both creepy. And as a finger to creepy Morrison, I will find the most right-wing parties to vote for. Morrison is a disgrace.

  46. Fraser Anning tweet is moronic considering it is Muslims who have been shot.

  47. Notafan

    Arden says none of the suspects were on any watchlists.

  48. Baldrick

    Senator Fraser Anning @fraser_anning
    Does anyone still dispute the link between Muslim immigration and violence?

    On par with SloMo’s comment.

  49. Jumpnmcar

    Let me guess, it was a mentally ill disenfranchised, motive unknown at this stage.

  50. zyconoclast

    Phil Mickelson
    ‏Verified account
    @PhilMickelson

    Our family, along with thousands of others, used Rick Singer’s company to guide us through the college admission process. We are shocked by the revelations of these events. Obviously, we were not part of this fraud, our kids would disown us if we ever tried to interfere.

  51. Notafan

    Even Arden didn’t claim right wing.

    Morrison is a divisive fool.

    Not that we didn’t already know that.

  52. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Not sure how long it’ll be up, but worth a read into the mind of a psychopath.

    He’s trained in “gorilla (sic) warfare…”

  53. Tel

    It’s very important that ScoMo brands the bad guys “Right Wing” in order to distance them as far as possible from any connection with the Liberal Party.

    Personally I would guess this shooting appears more like chaos and mayhem for its own sake … more of a Black Bloc Anarchist in the old sense (black & red flag type stuff).

  54. Scottie has the opposite to a Tampa moment.

  55. zyconoclast

    Firearms Registration Act Introduced in Pennsylvania

    Read more: https://www.ammoland.com/2019/03/firearms-registration-act-introduced-in-pennsylvania/#ixzz5iE1O7L7i
    Under Creative Commons License: Attribution
    Follow us: @Ammoland on Twitter | Ammoland on Facebook

    A new bill introduced in Pennsylvania would establish a gun registry within the state.

    HB0768 is known as the Firearms Registration Act. The Democrats that introduced the bill were Mary Louise Isaacson (D), Angel Cruz (D), and Mary Jo Daley (D). Last Friday, the General Assembly referred the bill to the committee on judiciary.

    The bill would require gun owners in the Keystone State to register their firearms with the Pennsylvania State Police. Owners would have to provide the police with the make, model, and the serial numbers of all their guns.

  56. Infidel Tiger

    Usually the perpetrators in these mass killings die or say nothing.

    Be very interesting listening to this group talk.

  57. zyconoclast

    The Southern Poverty Law Center fired Morris Dees, the nonprofit civil rights organization’s co-founder and former chief litigator.

    SPLC President Richard Cohen said in a statement Dees’ dismissal over his misconduct was effective on Wednesday, March 13. When pressed for details on what led to the termination, the organization declined to elaborate.

    Dees’ biography appeared scrubbed from the SPLC’s website as news broke of his termination on Thursday afternoon.

  58. Infidel Tiger

    If Anning revealed himself to be a Muslim convert in the next few years who would be surprised?

  59. zyconoclast

    Alyssa Milano slammed for calling herself trans, immigrant, person of color, disabled, lesbian, gay man

    The actress’ missive began well enough when she wrote, “My transgender sisters! I am celebrating YOU this #NationalWomensDay!”

    She then replied to a troll who asked if she was transgender, and that’s where it got muddled.

    Alyssa Milano
    ‏Verified account
    @Alyssa_Milano

    I’m trans. I’m a person of color. I’m an immigrant. I’m a lesbian. I’m a gay man. I’m the disabled.
    I’m everything. And so are you, Kirk.
    Don’t be afraid of what you don’t know or understand. No one wants to hurt you. We are all just looking for our happily ever after.

  60. Knuckle Dragger

    Death toll now 49 and climbing.

    I need a hug.

  61. stackja

    NZ terror attacks: Social media platforms have failed
    Ryan Northover [RendezView]
    an hour ago
    Subscriber only

    By sharing the terrorist video, we unwittingly become part of their grand plan.

    It was meticulously prepared and deliberately executed, for all the world to see on social media and through television.

    The video was streamed live on Facebook, before it was seen on 8Chan, re-posted on YouTube and on Reddit and Twitter and beyond.

    Sheera Frenkel, a cybersecurity expert and journalist, said it only took her 60 seconds to find a version of the terror video on Instagram and YouTube. The terrorist’s social media page remained up for three hours after the attack. This is not good enough.

    The age of social media, 24/7 TV news and misinformation is the perfect brew to enable insane, radical terrorists or all stripes and ideologies to exploit hate and radicalise more minds to their horrific and inhuman ideas.

  62. Frank

    What is an eco-fascist?

    It probably means someone that wants to save the environment for the white people to enjoy.

  63. Knuckle Dragger

    Mr Tarrant has been charged with moida, and will appear in court tomorrow morning.

    Somehow I sense that one way or another, he won’t make it to the dock.

  64. Infidel Tiger

    Death toll now 49 and climbing.

    Sickening.

    What an awful day.

  65. Arky

    Inviting people into your country and then murdering them is shithouse.
    This is bad. Very, very bad and will make things worse everywhere.

  66. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Police confirm four in custody

    Remy Varga
    42 MINUTES AGO | 6.30pm
    Victoria Police to patrol mosques

    Victoria Police will patrol mosques over the weekend in the wake of the Christchurch attack.

    Deputy Commissioner Wendy Steendam moved to reassure the public, saying there were no known links between the terrorists and Victoria.

    “There is no known links to the suspects involved in this incident to any persons in Victoria. There is also no current intelligence at this point to suggest there is any threat to the Victorian community.” she said.

    An Australian man from the city of Grafton in the northeast of NSW has been arrested in connection to the incident.

    Deputy Commissioner Steendam said police would patrol mosques over the weekend and that authorities had been liaising with the Muslim community.

    “We understand these types of incidents cause people significant anxiety, fear and concern within their own communities and people may feel unsure in their own communities.” she said.

    “To assist with these we are increasing our patrols in and around places of worship and at all community events over the weekend, and we have also been liaising with our key partners and community members particularly within the Muslim community, so that they feel supported to actually have the assistance that they need.”

    The Islamic Council of Victoria has organised for an open mosque day, where non-adherents of the Muslim faith are invited to visit mosques, to take place over the weekend. Deputy Commissioner Steendam said the ICV wished to continue as planned.

    Breaking news.

  67. dover_beach

    Is this the Pell “victim” that is dead Dover?

    Both None. He is saying that both parents noticed a change immediately even though both he says turn to drugs a year and three years later respectively. Given the information that the first involved a divorce, what likely happened is that he turned to drugs following this and then introduced his friend two years later.

  68. zyconoclast

    Now we know how well Trudeau’s Syrian refugees are doing. It’s not good

    Among Syrian refugees admitted in 2015, however, employment of male refugees who had been privately sponsored was about 55 per cent, which doesn’t seem so bad under the circumstances. For males who were government-assisted, however, and who tended to be the harder cases to begin with, the employment rate was less than five per cent.

  69. None

    Tel – yes it seems to be a very meticulously planned effort to sow maximum discord. When I saw the bit where he said kill Merkel kill Sadiq Khan and kill Trump I started thinking it was standard anarchist.

  70. Makka

    Saw the vid footage on twitter. The shooter didn’t miss a beat reloading several times and mowing people down, most were huddled into corners in piles.He went out and then came back in and hit the huddles a second time in case he missed any on the first pass. Stone cold killer. Very unnerving. Not surprised the death toll is so high. Just horrible.

  71. None

    Has it even been established that the two were friends, Dover? And the second one is a drug addict too? really?
    I also read somewhere that the one that is alive is living with his parents but has a family of his own. I think it was the statement he gave up after the verdict became public asking for privacy. I’ll have to check.

  72. Overburdened

    His figleaf of preserving his group’s way of life does not disguise his nihilism.

  73. Notafan

    That’s another thing that annoys me about Morrisons comments, if there are reprisals, and there may well be, he’s put a target on innocent people’s heads.

  74. Infidel Tiger

    Count Dankula🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿
    @CountDankulaTV
    The guy literally wrote in his manifesto he wanted to start a civil war, race war and a war between the left and right and you absolute dumbfucks are reacting according to his plan.

    HE LITERALLY SAID IT IN HIS MANIFESTO

    WHAT MORE EVIDENCE DO YOU FUCKING NEED?
    11:46 AM · Mar 15, 2019 · Twitter Web Client

  75. None

    Count Dankula has a point.

  76. zyconoclast

    Scottie has the opposite to a Tampa moment.

    Tampon moment?

  77. Overburdened

    Btw the good folk of Grafton can share the same approbium as every other town that produces these fuckwits.
    Knowing Grafton as I do, it’s surprising the fuckwit got as far as NZ.
    Most people there think the Planet drops of at Ulmarra.

  78. None

    Who were the other three arrested? The Tarrant guy could not have amassed that amount of weaponry on his own and yeah while I am a total luddite on these things and have never played a video game I don’t for a moment believe that he’s ex military. Psycho gamer yes military no.

  79. bespoke

    What an awful day

    The horror the victims family’s are going though is un imaginal by people without the same experience. On top of that the media will squeeze every emotional ratings out of it.

  80. vlad

    Start a thread for the NZ murders, Sinc, please – so I can ignore them.

  81. Notafan

    Milligan said the accuser was a pillar of the community in his own ironic way or something.

    Perhaps she has more to say about him in her book, but I’m not planning to read it.

  82. Anning’s tweet already being featured in article on DM.

    A day when he should have kept quiet if he could not bring himself to condemn the cowardly attack.

  83. candy

    Who were the other three arrested?

    That’s a puzzling thing. If it is a group thing, it casts a different reflection on it I think? more than a gunman or ex military whatever – with a diseased mind.

    Such evil in the world.

  84. Overburdened

    Candy
    Dunning Kruger Effect.

  85. dover_beach

    Milligan said the accuser was a pillar of the community in his own ironic way or something.

    Name him, or it’s all lies.

  86. Infidel Tiger

    Malcolm Turnbull
    @TurnbullMalcolm
    ·
    8m
    Fraser Anning’s comments today are contemptible. He is a disgrace to the Senate and what is worse by spreading hatred and turning Australians against each other he is doing exactly what the terrorists want.

    One of the few things Turnbull has said I agree with.

  87. Overburdened

    This sort of shit can’t happen without self directed or recruited useful idiots

  88. Overburdened

    IT
    Who gives a fuck what Turnbull says?

  89. Oh come on

    So there was more than one shooter? See that doesn’t square with the ‘manifesto’, either.

  90. Atoms for Peace

    This week I have avoided MSM re the Pell verdict and now the NZ incident. Too many agendas and a scarcity of facts.

  91. Arky

    So there was more than one shooter?

    ..
    Probably not.

  92. Overburdened

    http://www.dailyexaminer.com.au will give you an insight into the hotbed of violent activism of the people of Grafton.

  93. Snoopy

    NZ is a nation of 160 languages according to Jacinda Ardern.

  94. Notafan

    No wonder they can’t monitor security threats then.

  95. Snoopy

    I suspect that dinkum Aussie ISIS bride Zehra Duman and her spawn may well benefit from today’s attack. ScoMo will reach out in the spirit of reconciliation.

  96. stackja

    IS creating a reaction by unstable people? I am shocked!

  97. Beertruk

    Knuckle Dragger
    #2959451, posted on March 15, 2019 at 5:40 pm
    Death toll now 40 and climbing.

    Cop that Martin Bryant!

    Martin Bryant got his death toll tally by himself, so I suppose he has got that going for him.

  98. amortiser

    Encounter No 4

    The storm took out my NBN for an hour or so 🙁

    As the crowd moved off to chants of What do we want?, Climate Justice, When do we want it?, Now!! (WTF does that mean) And headed for Parliament House to let the palace chook know they didn’t like Adani, I headed off to catch the bus home.

    A guy a bit older than me rode up beside me and asked what I thought of it. He was wearing a t shirt with some anti fossil fuel stuff on it.

    I told him I thought it disgusting and outlined encounter 2 to him. He agreed entirely. Do you want a beer?, he said.

    I was straight into that!!

    So we had a couple of beers and he said these demonstrators have no idea what they are proposing with 100% renewables in 10 years. They can’t even do maths.

    How refreshing was this!! Being able to have a rational conversation. He felt that nuclear power was the only viable option. So we chewed the fat over a few drinks and happily went our separate ways.

  99. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    I suspect that dinkum Aussie ISIS bride Zehra Duman and her spawn may well benefit from today’s attack. ScoMo will reach out in the spirit of reconciliation.

    It wouldn’t surprise me, Snoopy.

  100. P

    All day my stomach has been churning every time I think or read anything of GP, the sentencing and the anticipated appeal and his present state at this moment. I truly feel sick with all I read on this matter.

    I thought things could not get worse till I watched the segment tonight between 7:10 and 7:20 pm with Waleed Aly on The Project, channel 10.

  101. Infidel Tiger

    IT
    Who gives a fuck what Turnbull says?

    I do and so do you.

  102. bundyrum

    Regardless of this mad bastard shooting up a mosque, my only real surprise is it hasn’t ocurred sooner.
    I expected the poms to burn down mosques after the grotesque murder of one of their soldiers, Lee Rigby…but nothing.
    I actually think the kickback against the mass immigration of these alien harmful cultures is only just starting.
    Politicians have created this, but we all will suffer the horrors of their greed.
    I despise the political class.

  103. NZ cop mate been emailing me since it happened.

    They have been tasked to deploy armed guards to mosques throughout the country and he has been told working on a cell of at least 10 involved. He is not near Christchurch himself and just what his senior officer told him.

  104. Myrddin Seren

    So there was more than one shooter?

    ..

    Probably not.

    Unless this is a very clever mashup, it appears to be two shooters ( at least ).

    Note the carpark sign in front of view refers to an NZ retailer.

    If it is archival video shot in, say, Indo with an NZ foreground added, they is pretty fast work by somebody.

    OR

    There were multiple shooters.

  105. Beertruk

    Notafan
    #2959526, posted on March 15, 2019 at 6:42 pm

    At least they can’t throw Christian into the mix.

    I think I have to disagree on that one Nota. They will work it in somehow.

  106. Tel

    Fraser Anning’s comments today are contemptible.

    Fair point, Anning is not helping the situation. Mind you, neither was Tony Bourke helping … both were encouraging divisiveness in their own way.

    Turnbull I’m sure is thinking about Turnbull because that’s all he ever thinks about.

    Let’s see if Bill Shorten is smart enough to shut up until Monday and then give a level headed motherhood statement (those never go wrong).

  107. vlad

    Milligan said the accuser was a pillar of the community in his own ironic way or something.

    That could mean anything or nothing.

    Milligan shows the deficiencies of an untrained mind. When asked (on 7.30) why the complainant should be believed, she said because he’s so believable.

    Re the suggestions that Pell did not get a fair trial (in part because of her book), she writes: “The claims are bogus because they are simply not true. That is a statement of fact, not opinion.”

    https://twitter.com/Milliganreports/status/1103483430384197632

    It’s hard to argue with irrationality. I don’t try.

  108. Beertruk

    Overburdened
    #2959575, posted on March 15, 2019 at 7:20 pm

    I was thinking more like Swan Creek and Junction Hill.

  109. Tailgunner

    Fraser Anning… Well played that man.
    That’s how you do controversial.
    But as usual, the conservative bow ties start spinning.
    Let’s not get too cuddly with the enemy, m’kay?

  110. Notafan

    I’m not going there Vlad.

    I looked once, that was enough.

  111. vlad

    Is anyone here personal friends with MV? His absence is understandable – but, on my part, missed.

    If you’re reading this, Memory, know that you’re still in my thoughts and prayers.

  112. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    It must be horrible running a blog that no one visits. The loneliness. The tedium. The utter emptyness of all that effort.
    Coming here gives a little human interaction at least. I understand, boys.

    Yes, Calli, perhaps Steve from Brisbane it was after all. Seems more likely than Grigs.
    Sad that people are so lonely they have to come here to push in on people who don’t want them.
    There are many other places they could go to and get a better reception.
    Anyway, Harken’s had his say and a fair hearing. He really was beginning to lose the plot.
    Well done, Doomlord. The blog doesn’t need this sort of interruption all the time.
    We’re good enough at interrupting each other. 🙂
    ———-

    Terrible news from Christchurch. A lovely city, with its River Avon running through the parkland.
    Evil was done there today.
    —————–

    Climate children all gone home now for tea and bed? Hope so.
    None, I think it was, wished for it to rain severely on their parade.
    If only it had been rain, instead of the news from Christchurch, that stole their thunder.

  113. Notafan

    You think anning on a vote winner with that piece of lumpish moronity?

    Okay.

    No-ones getting cosy. Every innocent life taken is a tragedy.

    Besides we were having fun with Burnside and how he’s off the menu.

  114. vlad

    Notafan
    #2959613, posted on March 15, 2019 at 8:04 pm
    I’m not going there Vlad.

    I looked once, that was enough.

    I read that garbage so you don’t have to. If I provide a link it’s merely to back up what I’ve said.

    You’re not missing a thing. She isn’t a journalist; she’s an activist.

  115. calli

    I have been thinking about him too vlad.

    I’ll make a gratuitous mention of stockings and suspenders to put a smile on his face. 🙂

    The rest of youse didn’t see that. Unsee it now.

  116. Tom

    The news media has lost the trust of 90% of the public because it no longer reports facts, just versions of the facts it makes no attempt to verify. Most of the media in the past 12 hours has done nothing but parrot social media’s cop-out on the NZ terrorism story. Most of the “reporting” in the next 12 hours will be equally farcical. There’s a huge unmet market created by journalism’s abandonment of professional ethics.

  117. P

    vlad,
    His wife’s funeral is IIRC on the 19th March.

    Zulu may be able to give you his post on the matter which he was kind enough to convey to us all.

  118. Tel

    Climate children all gone home now for tea and bed? Hope so.

    Let’s hope they enjoy the warmth and reliability of electricity that someone else made for them.

  119. Notafan

    I’m very greatful for your sacrifice Vlad.

    She’s a you go girl of average intelligence, probably flattery though

    Sounds like she hands out her opinions like the Queen of Hearts.

  120. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Loss of innocent life is always a tragedy and a wrong. We are right to reflect on that.

    And we’ll never give up on Burnside.
    We can have some fun with him and his ilk yet.
    In our own good time.

  121. Notafan

    Yes MV thinking of you too.

  122. Carpe Jugulum

    Re: the shooting, we can’t know his motivation, he was probably mentally ill, this is not a true representation of eco-fascism

  123. Tel

    The news media has lost the trust of 90% of the public because it no longer reports facts, just versions of the facts it makes no attempt to verify.

    The news media have been propaganda since WWI at least. All that changed is we have a small number of alternative options, for the time being.

  124. Notafan

    Yes it’s far to early to speculate about motive.

  125. Snoopy

    Jim Treacher:

    Beto gets away with drunken car accidents like a Kennedy, he appropriates other cultures like Elizabeth Warren, and he marries into wealth like John Kerry. He’s the total package!

  126. Obviously the West isn’t safe for Muslims.
    Good.
    They can then piss off back to their fly ridden shit holes.

  127. Old Lefty

    Agree with None that Tarrant is extremely unlikely to be ex-ADF; more likely, he is a fantasist.

    I knew a former CO of 7 Signals Regiment who said he would periodically get calls from the Toowoomba police asking if he or any other army unit had men doing combat training up in the hills, to which he would answer no and suggest that, as they weren’t army, it would be for the police to investigate.

    The pathology of the Tarrants of the world is collectivist. To a nobody with no real achievements in life, submerging yourself in a collective race identity is attractive.

  128. DrBeauGan

    People here are getting very emotional about the NZ killings. I can see that it was a wicked murderous act, with innocent victims, including women and children. The perp has to be a loon. Grounds for wanting a looniness detector, maybe.

    But you’re just emoting like a bunch of lefties. Consider:

    1. You don’t know anyone involved at a personal level, and if you did you probably wouldn’t particularly like them. It happened in another country.
    2. There are worse ways to die.
    3. Fifty or so dead isn’t all that many. We’ve had more die of drug od since we first heard about it, and more babies aborted.
    4. Yes, it’s a nasty business, but displaying your piety and niceness is at the hug someone level.

    I don’t find your display of horror or emotion very interesting. For the women it might be unavoidable, but for men it’s shameful.

  129. Arky

    , this is not a true representation of eco-fascism

    ..
    Eco- fascism is a religion of peas.

  130. Oh come on

    Something doesn’t seem right about that manifesto.

  131. struth

    His Manifesto quite understandably has the young shooter confused with what is left wing and right wing.

    Ethno nationalism, really is what the Nazis were doing.
    A county full of the one race.

    But, as I always state, and why I go to town on anyone talking shit about the Nazis being right wing when they were socialists, ethno- nationalism is, and has to be left wing.
    As it was with the Nazis.
    Collectivism.
    He states that he was a communist and communist China is the closest aligned to his politics.

    The great Lie, that , as we see with numbers of indeed any lefty you confront with the truth, they have nothing to say.
    They can’t find one reason to call Hitler right wing, they just do.
    The great lie that will now come back to really bite us on the arse because we were lethargic politically after ww2.
    Thinking we had won.
    If you are a white extremist, it has nothing to do with the politics of freedom, and individuality.
    It has nothing to do with the right.

    This young demented fuckwit of a shooter is a communist, and a racist, as racism is born of collectivism, so really the only difference between his racial theories and the rest of the left is that when it comes to quotas, he disagrees with the percentages, but they all want to control (social engineer) the racial component of a country.
    Quite simply, lefties want to control racial outcomes.

    And yet our PM has just called him a right wing extremist.

    I said Sco Mo was as bad as Malcom, and could be worse, as he sucks in the dumb voter.

    He is a POS, and in a position way over his head.

  132. Black Ball

    Is it wrong for me to say I have almost zero sympathy for what happened in New Zealand? Islamic hatred of the West has been around for decades. I am sure Tits Shorten will use this as a ‘rich tapestry of our culture’ moment to win election.

  133. Tintarella di Luna

    Making up complaints and involving people who are dead.

    Though oopsy for the Br Tyrell accuser one of the brothers he thought was dead was not (Be McCabe)

    Can Catholic brother or priest ever get a fair jury trial in Victoria? I guess all the digging in the filth and the anti-Catholic spade work by the ABC and the vicious secularists in the press has irrevocably tainted the jury pool in Victoria to say nothing of the sloppy work by plod in cahoots with the equally sloppy, except more so, DPP.

  134. Arky

    You don’t know anyone involved at a personal level, and if you did you probably wouldn’t particularly like them. It happened in another country.

    My country. Or at least one of mine.
    ..

    2. There are worse ways to die.

    Not much consolation to those that lost children or wives.
    ..

    3. Fifty or so dead isn’t all that many. We’ve had more die of drug od since we first heard about it, and more babies aborted.

    Dying ain’t the same being murdered.
    ..

    4. Yes, it’s a nasty business.

    ..
    Which will no doubt have multiple snd unpredicatable consequences here and in NZ.

  135. min

    In his manifesto he also comments on the Knights Templar. These ,of course , were crusaders and an early battle is mentioned . So has in his belief system what Islam has contributed since 700 CE.

  136. zyconoclast

    People here are getting very emotional about the NZ killings. I can see that it was a wicked murderous act, with innocent victims, including women and children.

    I don’t find your display of horror or emotion very interesting. For the women it might be unavoidable, but for men it’s shameful.

    +1

  137. Black Ball:

    Is it wrong for me to say I have almost zero sympathy for what happened in New Zealand? Islamic hatred of the West has been around for decades. I am sure Tits Shorten will use this as a ‘rich tapestry of our culture’ moment to win election.

    Thank you. I felt that I was the only one who didn’t give a damn.

  138. Tintarella di Luna

    zyconoclast
    #2959639, posted on March 15, 2019 at 8:26 pm
    Which one is Beto O’Rourke

    All of them, he has so much dumb schmuk for three

  139. Notafan

    I was just thinking that while it’s a shocking thing I don’t feel upset, which I did about 9/11 and Charlie Hebdo, Nice and Bataclan etc.

    I guess those others are more people like me.

    How we cope, I suppose, keeping our strongest feelings for family and friends then different groups depending on strength of connection or whatever.

    And it’s just another day in Syria or Iraq. Still wouldn’t wish it on anyone.

  140. Infidel Tiger

    Thank you. I felt that I was the only one who didn’t give a damn.

    Time to seek help.

    You can hate Islam all you like, but being unmoved by the cold blooded slaughter of innocent human beings means you are worse than what you object to.

    Far canal. Some seriously twisted people out there.

  141. Arky

    Some of the consequences will no doubt be increased “hate speech” laws and tighter gun laws.
    This is bad for everyone.
    Nothing good about it at all.
    Espeacislly bad for those who got murdered.
    And stop giving the trolls ammo.

  142. Tel

    Ethno nationalism, really is what the Nazis were doing.
    A county full of the one race.

    If the Germans hadn’t sent their race into someone else’s country no one would have freaked out.

  143. Tel

    I was just thinking that while it’s a shocking thing I don’t feel upset, which I did about 9/11 and Charlie Hebdo, Nice and Bataclan etc.

    A couple of hashtags and some candles sorted it out all those other times.

    Yes we can.

    We can do it this time, even hashtaggier and huggier than before!!

  144. Tom

    Re: the shooting, we can’t know his motivation, he was probably mentally ill, this is not a true representation of eco-fascism

    Carpe, the bottom line is that pricks like this fascist arsehole in Christchurch — a low-IQ attention seeker — are daring the state to become even larger — a police state monitoring every citizen. While that all-seeing police state doesn’t exist, what’s left of our personal liberty allows extremists to conduct mass-murders that are hard to stop.

    What we need is intelligence services that aren’t incompetent. Which we don’t have. Our intelligence services are bumbling Inspector Clouseaus, which, with every failure, demand more money to provide even more failure.

    Bottom line: the modern state can’t protect you from lunatics and doesn’t have the desire to do so because that would require making public safety the top priority ahead of political correctness. You’re on your own.

  145. IT:

    You can hate Islam all you like, but being unmoved by the cold blooded slaughter of innocent human beings means you are worse than what you object to.

    We are at war with Islam you fool.
    You can take your fancy libertarian virtue signalling and stick it right up your arse.
    “They have sown the wind, they will reap the whirlwind.”

  146. Black Ball

    You can hate Islam all you like, but being unmoved by the cold blooded slaughter of innocent human beings means you are worse than what you object to.

    I don’t see any ‘right wing activists’ dancing in the streets celebrating this atrocious behaviour, unlike the Muslim world on September 11 2001. This is what gives me reason to pause.

  147. Overburdened

    IT
    No.
    Beertruk
    Some of em can’t get out of Westlawn or Dovedale.
    They can be tribal like that.

  148. struth

    It must be that compassion is geographically orientated.

    No one gives a shit about all the Christians being wiped from the face of the earth in Africa.

    It’s further away.

    Muslims 900+ Infidels 1

    It’s a disgusting thing to have happened, but I tend to agree with whoever it was above that was surprised it took so long.
    202 were killed in the Bali Bombings alone, 88 Australians.
    The mussies are going to go beserk.
    They talk about always being victims to excuse their violence, knowing full well they haven’t been.
    They had to make up stories of being called names.

    Now it’ll get interesting, as this little prick wanted.
    We all stay calm after they kill us, to keep the peace.
    Lets see what happens now.

  149. Tintarella di Luna

    If the Germans hadn’t sent their race into someone else’s country no one would have freaked out.

    And perhaps tens of million of people wouldn’t have died – but even then tens of millions more died anyway and because of the same ideology.

  150. C.L.

    Saw about a minute of a Waleedorial on The Project.
    Fair enough. The bloke’s hurting and I would be too.
    (In fact, I was earlier this week – not that he’d care as he sank the boots in).
    But from what little I saw, Aly blames the NZ massacres on white Australian conservatives.
    ———–

    Gone is the triumphalist rhetoric of the ”War on Terror”, with its ridiculous promises of a terrorism-free world and the ultimate victory of freedom over tyranny. In its place is a far more sober, pragmatic recognition that terrorism is a perpetual irritant, and that while it is tragic and emotionally lacerating, it kills relatively few people and is not any kind of existential threat.

    – Waleed Aly, 2013.

  151. Tintarella di Luna

    But from what little I saw, Aly blames the NZ massacres on white Australian conservatives.
    ———–

    Anyone call out his hate speech?

  152. harrys on the boat

    You can hate Islam all you like, but being unmoved by the cold blooded slaughter of innocent human beings means you are worse than what you object to.

    This.

    For fucks sake. Anyone who revels in innocent women and children dying for a political point deserves a pit in hell.

  153. Arky

    Now it’ll get interesting,

    ..
    How do you think uni- parties across the world are going to react to the first mass shooting in a mosque in the West?

  154. Notafan

    Let’s all go to open mosque day and hug a muslim.

  155. Tom:

    Carpe, the bottom line is that pricks like this fascist arsehole in Christchurch — a low-IQ attention seeker — are daring the state to become even larger — a police state monitoring every citizen. While that all-seeing police state doesn’t exist, what’s left of our personal liberty allows extremists to conduct mass-murders that are hard to stop.

    Don’t be naive. The police state isn’t going to stop monitoring us, even if we were to be meek, mild, law abiding middle class proles.
    It’s the same as taxes – they aren’t going to drop tax rates because they have enough money. The pricks that staff our government can never have enough money or power.
    Don’t you get it yet?

  156. Tel

    Is it wrong for me to say I have almost zero sympathy for what happened in New Zealand?

    Yes it is wrong.

    One should always keep some sympathy spare … just in case this sort of thing comes along. Stand with me … and light up a hashtag. Here’s a big ScomoMo bearhug for you Black Ball. 🤗

  157. Fat Tony

    Winston Smith
    #2959647, posted on March 15, 2019 at 8:29 pm
    Black Ball:

    Is it wrong for me to say I have almost zero sympathy for what happened in New Zealand? Islamic hatred of the West has been around for decades. I am sure Tits Shorten will use this as a ‘rich tapestry of our culture’ moment to win election.

    Thank you. I felt that I was the only one who didn’t give a damn.

    Same here – after Islam being at war with the West for 1400 years and stepping it up lately, I am surprised this sort of thing hasn’t happened a lot earlier.
    Mussies don’t mind bombing and shooting up churches & synagogues, concerts, driving trucks over people including kids) in the street.

  158. C.L.

    “Is this a wake-up call for Australia?”
    – Journalist to local imam on ABC 24.
    I think you can guess where he went with that all-you-can-eat voucher.

  159. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Agree with None that Tarrant is extremely unlikely to be ex-ADF; more likely, he is a fantasist.

    Given his boasting about being one of the top snipers in the U.S. Army, with over three hundred kills, he’s highly unlikely to have ever pulled on a boot, or picked up a rifle in his life.

  160. calli

    Bottom line: the modern state can’t protect you from lunatics and doesn’t have the desire to do so because that would require making public safety the top priority ahead of political correctness. You’re on your own.

    The fallout from this will be heartbreaking.

  161. Tel

    Real eco-fascism hasn’t been tried yet! You can’t make any conclusions from this.

  162. Eyrie

    I’m surprised at the non reaction in the US after 9/11.

  163. DrBeauGan

    You can hate Islam all you like, but being unmoved by the cold blooded slaughter of innocent human beings means you are worse than what you object to.

    I dislike the slaughter of innocent people a lot. But expressing your feelings in public is not the response of the adult male in my culture.

    Unlike zulu, I do give a damn. But it’s a very small one. Because I think that by setting an example of murdering innocents in the name of religion, or letting others do it and letting them get away with it, the Muslims have been asking for this.

  164. Harry on the boat:

    For fucks sake. Anyone who revels in innocent women and children dying for a political point deserves a pit in hell.

    Don’t verbal me, sport.
    Nowhere did I revel in anything.
    I did however, make the point of “They have sown the wind, they will reap the whirlwind.”

  165. Overburdened

    As an aside, I’m delighted that ahearn channelled Our Julia (C) with her they are us thingy.
    Ironically juliag was pilloried for being a dickhead, which she has demonstrated frequently, and a Hearn is being praised.

  166. Tintarella di Luna

    If ever there was a stale, pale, has-been or never-was it’s gotta be Gareth Evans – Check it out

    Gareth Evans: Bamboo ceiling keeping Asian-Australians down
    GARETH EVANS
    12:00AM MARCH 15, 201924 COMMENTS
    Australia is not making the most, in terms of both our external relations and our internal national development, of the vast store of talent that exists in the multiple Asian-Australian communities that now make up such a large proportion of our overall population.

    Although census data is incomplete, the best current estimates, by the Australian Human Rights Commission (AHRC) and PwC/Asialink, are that Asian-Australians now constitute 12 per cent of our people (within a larger cohort of 21 per cent non-Europeans), with those of Anglo-Celtic background making up 58 per cent, other European background 18 per cent, and indigenous Australians 3 per cent.

    Looking at how those numbers translate into leadership positions in our public institutions, it is clear that Asian-Australians are being left a long way behind. Examining the cultural backgrounds of chief executive officers of ASX200 companies, federal government ministers, heads of federal and state government departments and vice-chancellors of universities, the AHRC in 2018 found that just 1.6 per cent were Asian-Australians.

    Even when the inquiry was broadened to cover leadership positions one level below this — group executives of ASX companies, elected members of the commonwealth parliament, deputy heads of government departments and deputy vice-chancellors, the proportion was just 3.3 per cent.

    The value of greater diversity speaks for itself, not least commercially. McKinsey studies have shown that companies with more culturally diverse leadership achieve significantly better financial performance: better decision-making occurs when propositions are challenged and advocates confronted by those with dissimilar life experiences.

    And while Anglo-Australians seem to be irredeemably linguistically challenged, we have right in our midst a massive pool of native Asian-language speakers — 900,000 fluent in Chinese dialects for a start, a great many of them highly trained professionals.

    The reasons for our apparent bamboo ceiling are complex, multifaceted and the source of ongoing debate.

    One answer, unpalatable for our self-image as a tolerant, triumphantly multicultural nation, is that there may still a significant amount of outright racial discrimination. An oft-cited field experiment by ANU economists in 2010, in which they sent out more than 4000 fake applications for entry-level jobs, using the same qualifications but different ethnically distinct names, found that to get as many interviews as an applicant with an Anglo-Saxon name, someone with a Chinese name had to submit 68 per cent more applications.

    A second, more likely, explanation at more senior employment levels is too much instinctive stereotyping about the qualities that Asian-Australians bring to leadership roles. As former race discrimination commissioner Tim Soutphommasane has put it: “What one person may regard as the laudable qualities of being inoffensive, diligent and productive can, for another person, sound a lot like passivity, acquiescence and subservience.”

    A third answer, difficult for a non-Asian to express but acknowledged to me in many conversations with Asian-Australians over the years, is that inherited norms, particularly for those from Confucian cultures, may make it more psychologically difficult for many of them to pursue and achieve leadership roles. In more individualistic societies, “the squeaky wheel gets the grease”, but the norm in many Asian cultures tends to be that “the loudest duck gets shot”.

    A fourth answer is a distressing new element on the scene: the growing feeing by Chinese-Australians that in the current environment of hyper-anxiety about baleful Chinese, and particularly Chinese Communist Party, influence in Australian business, politics and universities, it will be ever more difficult to aspire to leadership positions, especially in any fields that are seen as even remotely security sensitive.

    A final factor contributing to the under-representation of Asian-Australians in leadership positions may be simply that institutional leaders simply haven’t had the bandwidth — or at least haven’t felt they had the bandwidth — to deal with it. Cultural diversity seems to be 20 years or more behind gender diversity as an issue that they seem prepared to address systematically.

    To collectively break through the bamboo ceiling requires a three-pronged national strategy. The first need is for better and more accessible data. Sensitivities will always exist around gathering information on race or ethnicity, but good policy has to be evidence driven. Currently, policymakers simply don’t have all the readily available data they need.

    The second need is to use that data to set realistic targets and timelines, nationwide and sector by sector. Consensus will need to be reached on the familiar debate about quotas, targets and tokenism. Formal quotas in this context would seem premature and probably counter-productive, but carefully thought-out targets can be operationally very useful.

    The third need is to identify detailed strategies and programs to drive reform and change mindsets. What kind of training could be introduced to help employers recognise their stereotyped perceptions, and help encourage Asian-Australians to overcome such diffidence they might have about climbing the leadership ladder?

    Breaking the bamboo ceiling is an issue on which Australia has ducked and weaved and dithered for too many years. Asian-Australians have been under-appreciated and under-utilised in our listed companies and public institutions for far too long. If, as seems certain, our future is going to be far more determined by our geography than our history, it’s time now to move beyond rhetoric to action.

    Gareth Evans is a former foreign minister and current chancellor of The Australian National University. This is an extract from the 2019 Asialink Weary Dunlop Lecture delivered at the Asialink Chairman’s Dinner in

  167. Infidel Tiger

    Tip: if you think you have a better culture than what you object to, act like it.

    This whole shooting slaughter wreaks to high heaven and many of you are behaving exactly as the puppet masters wanted you to.

  168. Fat Tony

    Why do mussies come to western countries and bring all their baggage with them?
    They don’t want to integrate – all they can do and want to do is impose islam by the sword.
    Can anyone name any country that has been improved by mass immigration of muslims?
    Thanks to our politicians in the west, what happened in NZ today will seem like a picnic compared to what will eventually come.

  169. Arky

    wreaks to high heaven

    ..
    It is spelt “wreeks”.

  170. Infidel Tiger

    Can anyone name any country that has been improved by mass immigration of muslims?

    Name a country improved by allowing women suffrage?

    Doesn’t mean we shoot the xunts.

    Far canal.

  171. Arky

    Can anyone name any country that has been improved by mass immigration of muslims?

    ..
    Mordor.

  172. egg_

    This whole shooting slaughter wreaks to high heaven and many of you are behaving exactly as the puppet masters wanted you to.

    911?

    +1

  173. Overburdened

    In the end we can all play parlour games; and the families, loved ones and survivors whose lives will be changed will be left to continue long after the next hot topic comes up on this site.

  174. Infidel Tiger

    .
    It is spelt “wreeks”.

    That must be the kiwi spelling sport.

  175. Leo G

    How is Bill Shorten’s description of a “senseless act of violence” be reconciled with PM Scott Morrison’s description of a “terrorist act of right wing extremism”?

  176. Fat Tony

    Infidel Tiger
    #2959679, posted on March 15, 2019 at 8:54 pm
    Tip: if you think you have a better culture than what you object to, act like it.

    This whole shooting slaughter wreaks (sic) to high heaven and many of you are behaving exactly as the puppet masters wanted you to.

    IT – I thought our puppet masters wanted us to “run, hide, tell”.

  177. Overburdened

    Army
    Reeks works better

  178. P

    I attended with my family a meeting of The Catholic Historical Society, Sydney, in 1980. The guest speaker was IIRC a Fr Wilkins (or maybe Wilkinson) who had just come back from Lebanon. He spoke to us of the suffering of the Christians there and begged us to implore our local MPs to increase the immigration of the Christians from those areas of the Middle East who were experiencing deprivation and death at the hands of Muslims.

    There was a Catholic Bishop present at that meeting who not only congratulated the behaviour of our three children, but also voiced his concern for the persecution and murder of Christians by Muslims.

    Our then PM, Fraser, heard alright, but did not discriminate between Muslims and Christians, and I think that we may have had more Muslim immigration than Christian at that time from Lebanon.

  179. Overburdened

    Fn ‘ Arky ‘
    Ffs

  180. 1. You don’t know anyone involved at a personal level, and if you did you probably wouldn’t particularly like them. It happened in another country.
    2. There are worse ways to die.
    3. Fifty or so dead isn’t all that many. We’ve had more die of drug od since we first heard about it, and more babies aborted.
    4. Yes, it’s a nasty business, but displaying your piety and niceness is at the hug someone level.

    I don’t find your display of horror or emotion very interesting. For the women it might be unavoidable, but for men it’s shameful.

    Beau, you should seek professional help for your psychopathy.

  181. Fat Tony

    Infidel Tiger
    #2959682, posted on March 15, 2019 at 8:57 pm
    Can anyone name any country that has been improved by mass immigration of muslims?

    Name a country improved by allowing women suffrage?

    Doesn’t mean we shoot the xunts.

    Pretty piss-poor side-step there IT.

  182. Bushkid

    Old Lefty
    #2959633, posted on March 15, 2019 at 8:21 pm
    Agree with None that Tarrant is extremely unlikely to be ex-ADF; more likely, he is a fantasist.

    I knew a former CO of 7 Signals Regiment

    Who would that former CO have been, OL?

  183. Arky

    Army
    Reeks works better

    ..
    I cannot believe the low standard of spelling and grammar on here.
    It’s “betterer”.

  184. Shy Ted

    And then there’s this
    And this
    Fraser Anning is right.

  185. None

    It is a sad fact that when the Muslim population reaches around 5 to 10% in any country it starts becoming problematic. However I have not read a single instance where the New Zealand Muslim population have caused any trouble. If they want to dress like 8th century Arabs they probably won’t fit in very well and that could be seen as somewhat rude and f*** you attitude but there is no justification and none whatsoever to go shooting up people in a mosque. Zero. Nada.

  186. Roger

    It is spelt “wreeks”.

    Reeks, actually.

    Arkster, you know I love you – in a very, very Platonic way – but please tell me you weren’t an English teacher.

  187. DrBeauGan

    This whole shooting slaughter wreaks(sic) to high heaven and many of you are behaving exactly as the puppet masters wanted you to.

    Emoting all over the floor may make you feel virtuous, but it accomplishes nothing.

  188. Beertruk

    Overburdened
    #2959658, posted on March 15, 2019 at 8:40 pm

    Grand parents lived in Dovedale St and I did work at the Grafton Ulmarra Dairy Factory for 22 months before joining the ARA. I somehow managed to escape. 🙂
    Mind you, I didn’t live most of my life at that time there.

  189. Fat Tony

    m0nty
    #2959693, posted on March 15, 2019 at 9:02 pm

    Beau, you should seek professional help for your psychopathy.

    monty – that’s pretty piss-poor coming from a socialist – how many hundred million has your lot murdered.
    You should definitely seek pyschiatric help.

  190. Arky

    women suffrage

    ..
    Youse are all conpletely illiteritimate
    It’s “women suffer rage”.

  191. Tintarella di Luna

    I cannot believe the low standard of spelling and grammar on here.
    It’s “betterer”.

    Lol Arky, never change

  192. DrBeauGan

    This whole shooting slaughter wreaks (sic) to high heaven and many of you are behaving exactly as the puppet masters wanted you to.

    Emoting all over the floor may make you feel virtuous, but it accomplishes nothing.

  193. None

    Fuck off M0nty. Interesting how you rock up now like a vulture to exploit innocent people’s deaths to push your own f****** perverted views. Where were you the last few days? Writing Tarrant’s manifesto no doubt. Same f****** m o. Shoo now. No one gives a s*** what you think.

  194. Tintarella di Luna

    tell me you weren’t an English teacher.

    you taught maths didn’t you Arky?

  195. Beertruk

    Waleed Aly after the Boston bombing, April 2013:

    ‘…terrorism is a perpetual irritant, and that while it is tragic and emotionally lacerating, it kills relatively few people and is not any kind of existential threat… They do not shock us. And for that reason, they cannot truly terrorise us.’

    What are your comments now Waheely Bin?

  196. None

    Do you miss teaching, Arky?

  197. Tintarella di Luna

    I taut lots maths.

    I reckon you would’ve made calculus interesting Arky, entertaining even.

  198. DrBeauGan

    Beau, you should seek professional help for your psychopathy.

    It’s not psychopathy, it’s rational detachment. Not anything you’re capable of understanding, let alone emulating.

  199. Arky

    I spent today teaching None.
    I volunteer once a fortnight to tutor Karen students.
    I have a translator and help them with maths.

  200. one old bruce

    Here we go again, the moral police who take it on themselves to judge other people’s thoughts for insufficient remorse. For me these thought police are the real enemies whether they call themselves left or right. This is the basis of the whole RINO thing in the US and the rot among ‘conservatives’ generally, all the breast-beaters who decide how ‘we’ should react.

    Different people react differently for different reasons, how people feel is no one else’s business. It’s called neuro-diversity these days. That kind of diversity is supposed to be the basis of our western freedoms. But somehow a few centuries back we evolved a parasite culture of moral guardians who are our real enemy both left and right. Hard men are useful for hard jobs. Soft men should join the clergy.

  201. Arky

    I reckon you would’ve made calculus interesting Arky

    ..
    It isn’t hard to blow most of your modern teachers out of the water.
    Just get to the point and don’t waffle for an hour.

  202. None

    And how does that compare with teaching local kids in a classroom? Are you finding the Karen students more attentive? More fun without a curriculum and useless paperwork?

  203. Cassie of Sydney

    “Black Ball
    #2959638, posted on March 15, 2019 at 8:26 pm
    Is it wrong for me to say I have almost zero sympathy for what happened in New Zealand? Islamic hatred of the West has been around for decades. I am sure Tits Shorten will use this as a ‘rich tapestry of our culture’ moment to win election.”

    I’ll just clarify something Black Ball….Islamic hatred of the West has been around for 1500 years…since Islam’s inception

    What happened in NZ is ghastly however I have also been feeling quite emotionally detached and hardened about it. I am not happy about feeling this way and I am wondering why. Is it because we non-Muslims are so used to seeing so many grotesque acts of Islamic terrorism against J**s, Christians, Buddhists, Hindus and every one else on this planet that we somehow feel that this is an inevitable consequence. It’s quite sad because I want to feel more empathy but I don’t.

    There are 49 dead Muslims in Christchurch and this is a tragedy……but since 2001, there have been thousands and thousands of Christians, J**s and other infidels butchered, raped, injured and enslaved by Muslims across the globe…I call that a greater tragedy.

  204. one old bruce

    I started to hear this ‘don’t descend to their level of we are just as bad as they are’ right after 9/11 . The fact is sometimes you have to fight fire with fire, not moral preening, of which as we see there is way way too much now more than ever.

  205. Arky

    And how does that compare with teaching local kids in a classroom? Are you finding the Karen students more attentive?

    ..
    Hardest working students you could hope to find.
    Our refo intake should be mostly these people.

  206. 1735099

    One very sad observation I’m forced to make is that many of the memes posted by Tarrant in his “manifesto” have, over the years I’ve been reading it, appeared over and over again on this blog.
    Violence is a continuum.
    It has, at one end, bigotry and stereotyping, and at the other, what we saw in Christchurch today.

  207. Leigh Lowe

    Gone is the triumphalist rhetoric of the ”War on Terror”, with its ridiculous promises of a terrorism-free world and the ultimate victory of freedom over tyranny. In its place is a far more sober, pragmatic recognition that terrorism is a perpetual irritant, and that while it is tragic and emotionally lacerating, it kills relatively few people and is not any kind of existential threat.

    – Waleed Aly, 2013.

    When I quoted him earlier today it was to highlight his disgusting hypocrisy.
    His comments were disgusting then and the obverse is disgusting today.
    I see no difference between the child dismembered by the truck in Nice, or the child having his/her head blown off in Christchurch.
    They are both children and both perpetrators are evil fucks.

  208. Leo G

    … being unmoved by the cold blooded slaughter of innocent human beings means you are worse than what you object to.

    Is being unsympathetic to the victims of a cold blooded murder really more evil than the act of committing the cold-blooded murder?

  209. Roger

    And for that reason, they cannot truly terrorise us.’

    I expect the 49 souls on the receiving end of a semi-automatic today were feeling terrorised.

  210. Tel

    Because I think that by setting an example of murdering innocents in the name of religion, or letting others do it and letting them get away with it, the Muslims have been asking for this.

    Bogey, you have half a point there but to be fair and balanced, Western powers are drone bombing a lot of people in the Middle East and I haven’t heard you standing up against that either. The USA makes a lot of weapons and sells some nasty kit to the highest bidder. Yes, that’s Capitalism. Yes the buyer comes first. Unfortunately where there’s bombs, someone wants to drop them.

    I’m not claiming that Turkey, Iran, Russia, China etc are much better. Russia would like to be the world’s top arms dealer but they can’t make the volume. This isn’t new. My Celtic ancestors were savages, I admit it. Civilization on the other hand is mostly a better organised style of savagery.

  211. Makka

    One very sad observation I’m forced to make

    Yeah, I feel your sanctimony.

  212. Seco

    C.L.
    #2959498, posted on March 15, 2019 at 6:17 pm
    “We stand here and condemn, absolutely, the attack that occurred today by an extremist right-wing violent terrorist”

    Are there any terrorists who aren’t violent?
    Is it even necessary for “We” (meaning Australia) to “stand here and condemn” – “absolutely,” mind you – the murder of 40 innocent civilians in New Zealand? Of course it isn’t. That is taken as read. You offer your condolences and practical support. Maybe you even shut the hell up for 24 hours until you learn more about the Australian perpetrator and have something more profound to say than “HUGS.”

    The challenge for a world leader is to make sure you’re not the first one to offer your hollow and meaningless condolences whilst trying to sound tough because you need to sound more sympathetic yet tougher than the last without waiting too long that you start getting panned for not offering your condolences quick enough and appearing heartless. It’s tough being a shameless, spineless politician nowadays.

  213. Leigh Lowe

    Agree with None that Tarrant is extremely unlikely to be ex-ADF; more likely, he is a fantasist.

    Julian Knight 2.0.

  214. harrys on the boat

    So Winston, the innocent people reaped what Islam sowed. Same as Pell reaped what the Catholic church sowed?

  215. None

    Based on your reasoning numbers, you should have run off and shot up a few places by now. Fuck off now.

  216. DrBeauGan

    It’s not psychopathy, it’s rational detachment. Not anything you’re capable of understanding, let alone emulating.

    AE van Vogt called it the cortico-thalamic pause. It means that you don’t just give into an emotional reaction, you stop, think and evaluate before acting. Or writing. You can’t do it, m0nty. You’ve shown that often enough. Small children can’t do it either, which is why we don’t pay their opinions much attention.

  217. Armadillo

    Muslims kill Muslims everyday of the week. Honour killings, revenge killings and sect killings.

    I don’t see what the problem is. There are thousands of killings every day, mostly unreported.

    Meh.

  218. None

    You nailed that charade just right, Seco.

  219. Notafan

    LL
    I mentioned Julian Knight to a couple of friends a few minutes ago.

    Put him in mind.

  220. Candy

    I don’t see anything wrong with Scott Morrison’s comments. He has an election to win, that is his job right now, and has to push back the baying hounds of the Left. He seems distressed by it all.
    Unlike Tony Burke who was making political points while victims were still bleeding out.

  221. 1. You don’t know anyone involved at a personal level, and if you did you probably wouldn’t particularly like them. It happened in another country.
    2. There are worse ways to die.
    3. Fifty or so dead isn’t all that many. We’ve had more die of drug od since we first heard about it, and more babies aborted.
    4. Yes, it’s a nasty business, but displaying your piety and niceness is at the hug someone level.

    I don’t find your display of horror or emotion very interesting. For the women it might be unavoidable, but for men it’s shameful.

    Should somebody slip around to Beaureagard’s place & pump a coupla mags of two two three into him, I’d;
    1/. Not know him at a personal level, if I did I probably wouldn’t like him. It won’t be happening in my town anyway.
    2/. There are worse ways for him to go.
    3/. One dead is no big deal.
    4/. I now need a Scomo mandated hug to help me get over this badness.

  222. None

    Do you think you’ll go back to teaching full-time, Arky? Or have you permanently and prematurely retired? I mean you clearly are quite a talented mechanic and have the most delightful assistant) but something tells me that teaching is your vocation.

  223. DrBeauGan

    Bogey, you have half a point there but to be fair and balanced, Western powers are drone bombing a lot of people in the Middle East and I haven’t heard you standing up against that either. The USA makes a lot of weapons and sells some nasty kit to the highest bidder. Yes, that’s Capitalism. Yes the buyer comes first. Unfortunately where there’s bombs, someone wants to drop them.

    That’s a traditional kind of war Tel, and we didn’t start it. Not that I like wars or buy into the arguments for having one.

    My feeling about the middle East is that we should build a wall around it, and sell weaponry to whichever side is losing.

  224. Cassie of Sydney

    Where’s Stimpson?

  225. Arky

    I’m in permanent semi- retardment.

  226. Leo G.

    Is being unsympathetic to the victims of a cold blooded murder really more evil than the act of committing the cold-blooded murder?

    That’s the sort of thinking that passes for moral character these days. It has very little to do with the facts of the matter, it’s whether someone can preen their virtuous nature for the audience.
    How many here have anguished about the slaughter of tens of thousands of Christians and wished someone would stop it?
    Well someone has done something – something as horrific as murdering innocents – and now we are worse than Hitler for saying it was inevitable?

  227. Tintarella di Luna

    I volunteer once a fortnight to tutor Karen students.
    I have a translator and help them with maths.

    Such kind people at the Cat, good for you Arky.🎉

  228. Fat Tony

    None
    #2959741, posted on March 15, 2019 at 9:27 pm
    Do you think you’ll go back to teaching full-time, Arky? Or have you permanently and prematurely retired? I mean you clearly are quite a talented mechanic and have the most delightful assistant) but something tells me that teaching is your vocation.

    You can see that in his car videos – teaching is his vocation. Real teaching, not that crap in the schools.

  229. DrBeauGan

    Socrates, I was writing about emotional reactions, not the act of murder. If someone murdered me, I wouldn’t expect anyone here to get all touchy-feely. Except Candy, perhaps.

  230. Arky

    Such kind people at the Cat

    ..
    I have ulterior motives.
    It counts as professional development and helps me keep my registration in case I decide to teach again.

  231. Armadillo

    It could be bikie related.

  232. Leigh Lowe

    One very sad observation I’m forced to make is that many of the memes posted by Tarrant in his “manifesto” have, over the years I’ve been reading it, appeared over and over again on this blog.

    The subject matter of parts of his manifesto are legitimate subjects for reasoned debate (as happens here).
    But none are a cause which warrants mass murder.
    Trust a Ho Chi Minh adherent to fail to see the difference

  233. Black Ball

    Cassie that is what I was thinking. Is what happened in Christchurch disgusting? Yes. But I have become almost innured against any violence visited upon those of the Islamic faith. As you rightly point out, thousands have been murdered by these psychopaths. The question is, will there be the real backlash, unlike the imaginary ones the spineless leaders of the West like to trot out after Muslim violence?

  234. Harry aboard the boat:

    So Winston, the innocent people reaped what Islam sowed. Same as Pell reaped what the Catholic church sowed?

    Innocent people get killed in wars Harry.
    Remember Coventry? Hamburg? Tokyo? Leningrad? Hiroshima?
    We are not at war with the Catholic Church. That’s a pretty disgraceful choice of equivalence.
    Try harder.

  235. None

    I have ulterior motives.
    It counts as professional development and helps me keep my registration in case I decide to teach again.

    Teaching is in your blood. ☺ And this is also a very rational and reasonable course of action and it seems you’re enjoying it anyway. Good on you.

  236. Arky

    Look.
    I think most here would be lying if they said their immediate reaction to this was sadness, given the history of incidents we have had.
    Mine wasn’t.
    But it is not vitue signalling to point out this is shitful.
    No one here is virtue signalling or doing a Morrison.
    No one.
    The trolls will be along to gleefully score ghoulish points, you can be sure of that.

  237. Knuckle Dragger

    OOB,

    ‘Hard men are useful for hard jobs. Soft men should join the clergy.’

    Precisely. Succinct and well put.

    It has come to this now. Best the snivellers stand aside, because shit’s about to get real. Virtue signalling won’t make it go away. Never mind their butchery over the past millennium – we could apologise till the cows come home and give every Mussie in the country ten million dollars, and we will still cop it.

    Sympathy can go out the window. Gird your loins, kids, because badness is coming.

  238. Shy Ted

    our PM in waiting Wee Willy Shorton at the end caught after his FAKE statement saying to the media recording it “Is that alright?” should I do it again?” Fair dinkum, these FAKE pollies……

  239. Nob

    The USA makes a lot of weapons and sells some nasty kit to the highest bidder. Yes, that’s Capitalism.

    Would it be better if they gave them away?

    What was the nature of the transactions whereby USSR, China and Cuba armed aggressors in Africa, Asia, South America ….?

    (I don’t actually know but I’m sure it was in return for something, if not cash)

  240. Leo G

    (Violence) has, at one end, bigotry and stereotyping, and at the other, what we saw in Christchurch today.

    Impressive dramatic irony.

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