Open Forum: March 16, 2019

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  1. His political views were shaped by the wharfies actions in Darwin and how Curtin sucked up to the scum.

    These wharfies?

    An extract –

    At the wharf, the Neptuna was in the process of unloading her cargo: 200 depth charges with a very large quantity of anti aircraft shells for the Navy and Army. A bomb struck the angle corner of the wharf, blowing a locomotive and trucks into the sea. The Neptuna exploded and more than 50 of the ship’s company were killed along with 22 civilian wharfies, many from longstanding Darwin families such as Cubillo, Dominic and Spain. A survivor remembered:
    “I jumped over the side of the wharf into the water… made my way towards the elbow of the wharf. That had already been hit and the shed where men were gathered for smoko, and it had all gone… just disappeared” (Douglas Lockwood, Australia’s Pearl Harbor, 1966)
    In the chaos and confusion, men like Jack Barclay and Johnnie Wilkshire, among others, showed enormous courage and presence of mind. They rowed small boats out through the burning oil to rescue injured sailors.

  2. Dr Faustus

    Christchurch: The price we pay for your freedom to hate

    It is incumbent on those who claim to uphold the democratic principles of equality, fairness and mutual respect, who value our constitutive rights, freedoms and civil liberties ― political representatives, legislators, commentators, editors, journalists, citizens alike ― to take a stand against hate. If there ever was an opportune time for us to criminalise the incitement of hate on the basis of religion, it is now.

    This will happen for sure.
    Doubleplus goodthink.

  3. twostix

    Re Latham and guns, Latham is the perfect speciman of the Sydney suburban everyman, one of the the oldest most Conservative class’s in Australia. His position on guns is perfectly in line with his place in society and people who don’t understand that don’t understand their country. Sydney suburbanites don’t care about guns very much and never have, not since the mid 19th century – why would they?

  4. bespoke

    Shy Ted

    Nothing wrong with thongs and shorts.

  5. stackja

    Dr F – ‘We’ will tell you what to think and say.

  6. struth

    Good Moaning.
    Calm down None.
    Anning is a man talking straight.
    I can handle what he said, it’s called his opinion.
    Even if I don’t agee with it, or I do.
    Why do you seem so focussed on what he said, in comparison the entire MSM and political class immediately (before the bodies are cold) denouncing right wing politics, which it had nothing to do with, and white supremacy (which actually it isn’t because he only wanted white survival) and immediately have his name out there, where his family are from, what colour his jocks were.
    If it was the other way round, which up until now it always has been, he would have been called a lone wolf and they would still be unclear of a motive.
    Yet Anning upsets you.
    Surely you agree with his statement, however poorly timed your sensitive, over reacting female ears perceive it to be.
    As things get worse, more men will start talking straight.

    Deal with it.
    If you had any civilizational responsibility you would understand that.
    Time to take a breath and put emotion to the side enough to decide where to really direct you anger.

    Muslims should not be in the west, and they have been forced upon us.

    We should not kill them, but come dam close to doing precisely that to the people who caused, the so far , many thousands more deaths from Muslim hands and the fifty here ( from a mongrel shit intent on starting a war which was coming anyway), if we didn’t fix the situation politically.
    For their sake and ours, the best outcome is separation.
    They are at war with us, have proclaimed it as such.
    We didn’t have to go to war with them, just because they declared it, we just had to keep them out.
    Something our traitorous political class, who hate us, would not do.

    The blood of those fifty people are squarely on the shooters hands, but the blood of those fifty people and all the thousands in the west already killed by Islam, is on the hands of our left leaning elite, All Grassby-ing our nation without the consent of the people.

    And yet these same people are demonising those who oppose their nation wrecking behaviour while wringing their hands and sobbing crocodile tears.

    This is what Anning was saying, and I can’t see a problem with it.

  7. twostix

    If there ever was an opportune time for us to criminalise the incitement of hate on the basis of religion, it is now.

    It’ll be nice to get a reprieve from the daily anti-christian hatefest of the urban bugmen classes that’s for sure.

    (That’s not how this works is it?)

  8. one old bruce

    Well said on Latham, Lizzie. Latham has a checkered history like many political types, but the way he keeps up with issues is exemplary, and he’s an old time battler as Aussies used to be. When did the battlers get replaced by the PC mob? After 1970 when Australia got richer.

  9. Eyrie

    “Christchurch: The price we pay for your freedom to hate”
    Freedom isn’t free. Now and again the price gets paid, one way or the other.

  10. Not Uh oh

    Anyone know if Tarrant had a girlfriend, boyfriend, no friends? Unusual that there’s no talk of any associates.

  11. Eyrie

    Struth, Thank you +1. Nong is unhinged.

  12. Mark A

    W Hogg
    #2962187, posted on March 18, 2019 at 1:07 am

    “How many tough extreme right wingers does it take to wrestle with a 17-year-old boy?” he asked.

    Should only take one adult male to overpower a 16-17yo teen, right Bill?

    The answer is in the definition.
    Overpower.

    The one on one only leads to a brawl, and depending on the adult and the 17 year old it could go either way.

  13. John Constantine

    Their jacindamania becomes Helter-Skelter.

    Poor bastard australia’s activist wymynsys boast that they are no longer “as fragile as flowers, wymyn are as fragile as unexploded bombs”.

    Helter-Skelter is almost here, but their left are containing themselves until after the election, it is too soon to announce the purges yet, but after the election, their shortreich will change everything.

    Interesting that labor has already requested meetings with the public service, to ensure a rapid transfer of power.
    No going on holiday for a few months, the Helter-Skelter erupts in a frenzy of vengeance immediately.

    Comrades.

  14. Eyrie

    One v one against that 17 year old would have resulted in him going to hospital. Sometimes overwhelming force causes fewer casualties.

  15. Johno

    “These wharfies?”

    My father was in the 2/4th Pioneers.They set off to invade Timor in barges towed by coastal ships. A couple of Jap Zeroes strafed them and they had to turn back.
    When they got into Darwin they had to hose the dead out of the barges.
    Word spread that a ship with beer had just docked. A few of the survivors went down to get some beer. All gone. Guess who took it all?

    Those wharfies.

  16. one old bruce

    ‘Grassby-ing our nation’

    There’s a sobering name. Like a Pied Piper, we believed his public personna back then. We didn’t have the ‘net, so to what extent could we have done otherwise? Replace him with Malfraser. What a choice they gave us.

  17. twostix

    News.com.au gleefully unleashes the LibLab hounds against the minor parties:

    An “epidemic on mental health issues and suicide” could await Australia’s youth if certain rising minor parties are allowed to exact their policy ideas

    They’re going to use the NZ massacre as a tool to sweep away all of the protest parties. Very political and very ugly stuff.

  18. Robber Baron

    Anning understand that there are vastly more people that hate moosleys than love them. He just got himself re-elected.

  19. struth

    Anning should have done exactly what he did to that egg kid.
    And I notice that someone above said, (I’m not going back to check) that Anning brought that on himself and virtually “made” the egg thrower do it.
    Really?
    Like if Milo comes here (and I’m not a great Milo Fan) he causes violent riots, by speaking?

    Toughen up little cookie monsters.
    Right now isn’t the time to be concerned about provoking a reaction you were going to get whether you provoked it or not.

    They are coming for us anyway.
    Get that.
    We don’t speak out now, it’s only going to be worse later.

    There’s a lot to be said about what may have happened if the Jooos in Germany fought back hard against the narrative developing against them in the early 1930’s.

    The same here.
    The socialists are coming for us anyway.
    You’re an enemy because of what you are, as well as who you are.
    You don’t have the option of silence.
    Especially if you have kids.

    Learn from history or repeat it.

  20. Dr Faustus

    Cabinet’s National Security Committee to receive briefing on right-wing extremist risk

    The cabinet’s National Security Committee is due to receive an urgent briefing from ASIO and the AFP on the risk posed by right-wing extremists following the terror attacks on two New Zealand mosques.

    It comes as Victorian Police revealed dozens of right wing extremists are on terror watch lists, and monitoring of the so-called alt-right has escalated after the deadly attack in New Zealand by an Australian.

    Chief Commissioner Graham Ashton on Sunday said police were keeping tabs on the Victorian extremists, particularly online.

    The strictly non-partisan police force that brought you the high-integrity Pell Investigation is now “keeping tabs” on online right wing communication.

    Well, that’s comforting…

  21. Old School Conservative

    Rabid Koala
    #2962332, posted on March 18, 2019 at 9:39 am
    …The crusades were a response to the muslim invasions of Europe. The first crusade was nearly 400 years after the first Islamic invasion of Europe.

    Succinctly put.
    I have pinched it to refute a claim that ‘Crusader’ is a term for the Christian armies that attacked Muslim lands for hundreds of years on a rugby web site.

  22. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Those wharfies.

    My great uncle served in North Africa – infantry, Trig 22 and El Alamein. Returning to Australia, in 1943, his unit was denied permission to unload any of their own personal gear. “Nothing moves on these wharves, unless it’s moved by union labor.”

    Every man in his unit had his kitbag slashed open, and anything worth stealing was stolen.

    Those wharfies.

  23. Twostix

    The strictly non-partisan police force that brought you the high-integrity Pell Investigation is now “keeping tabs” on online right wing communication.

    Old man conservatives that stupidly supported canberra’s security apparatus expanding its power to unlimited levels did so thinking it would be used against their enemies.

    They were told who is in charge now.

  24. struth

    Struth, Thank you +1. Nong is unhinged.

    I think None is one of the clearest thinking women I have read.
    Very spot on most of the time, and quite passionate.

    However, and I know I go on about it, but it’s those bloody feminine traits that bring her unstuck when something like this happens, it’s then emotion (and fear) first clouding and otherwise very savvy mind.

    Men were taught to control emotion up until recently for very good reason, for when the shit hits the fan.
    Women were not.
    And that’s healthy for the ying and yang of it all.

    But they do need to be gently reminded of just when that female side is clouding the judgement and causing a knee jerk reaction, because nowadays, they are also in charge of our civilisation so they need to “man up” so to speak and it’s dangerous for our existence if they don’t.

  25. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    Counter-terrorism police are monitoring dozens of Victorians with extreme Right-wing views amid fears that they pose a growing risk to the publicmoslems.

    fixingly.

    at least make your fake new coherent, who believes anyone on the “far right” is going to attack the general public??

  26. rickw

    Those wharfies.

    The ones that ripped apart a couple of P-38’s in Brisbane because the US MP’s clamped down on their theft?

  27. stackja

    NSW police in Grafton.

  28. Eyrie

    “But they do need to be gently reminded of just when that female side is clouding the judgement and causing a knee jerk reaction, because nowadays, they are also in charge of our civilisation so they need to “man up” so to speak and it’s dangerous for our existence if they don’t.”
    Then we are so screwed.

  29. Robber Baron

    NZ PM Jacinta has just announced that “Christchurch” shall me renamed “MohammedMosque”.

    You can’t make this shit up.

    You can, and people will believe it.

  30. stackja

    An ex ALP leader who went a different way, includes Billy Hughes.

  31. Beertruk

    Mark A
    #2962369, posted on March 18, 2019 at 10:12 am

    Over power.
    Even the military operate on a ‘three to one’ ratio. More if possible.

  32. rickw

    Anning understand that there are vastly more people that hate moosleys than love them. He just got himself re-elected.

    What gets you publicly criticised and what gets you re-elected are increasingly unrelated to each other.

  33. Eyrie

    “What gets you publicly criticised and what gets you re-elected are increasingly unrelated to each other.”
    Tell that to SloMo and his band of retards.

  34. struth

    When Islam is the victim our elites claim “we are all ISLAM”
    This was Islamophobia, white extremism blah blah.

    While all the Islamic attacks occur they won’t even mention the religion.

    It’s just a terrorist attack by some lone wolf.
    The last ten or twenty Mussie attacks the MSM wouldn’t mention the religion.
    The bloody ex president wouldn’t call it Islamic terrorism.

    I say this so you all are clear about my stand on the issue.
    I don’t like Islam as a religion, and believe it is a peasant religion that is barbaric and keeps people down.

    It will not live peacefully along side others.
    However, my beef is not with Islam.
    It is with those politicians who dam well knew that was the case, just like every layman does, but brought it purposefully and preferentially to our shores.
    Traitors……………….there is no other word.

  35. MatrixTransform

    My father enlisted in the RAAF whrn he heard to news of the Darwin bombing. He served in PNG from 1942 until 1946.

    What a beautiful narrative.

    so noble of numbnutz to paint his grandfather’s shrine in gaudy colours to try and score a political point on an online forum. What an ugly performance.

    So while we’re at lets explain to numbnutz why his own self created idiotic dialectic is disturbing.
    That would be because before lunch the dumb bastard has re-written two histories.
    The first to damn some people he never knew or met, historically for whatever he imagines is true
    and the second to extol the virtue of another for whatever he imagines is true.

    Both fictions.

    and the dumbarse cannot fathom why he cops so much flak.

  36. Overburdened

    More prayers and obeisance required to get some waves happening.
    As a last resort it may be necessary to paddle out the back and attempt to sing Heartbreak Hotel while attempting to stand up on the board.
    It has worked before.

  37. rickw

    Just spoke to Kiwi workmates, my take:

    Kiwi’s have taken upon themselves responsibility for what they were not responsible for.

    (The actions of a lunatic)

    Muslims / mosques have been given a free pass for what they are responsible for.

    (Churning out recruits for ISIS)

  38. 1735099

    Both fictions.

    Both fact.

  39. Roger

    Cabinet’s National Security Committee to receive briefing on right-wing extremist risk

    Given that the cowardly Christchurch murderer was a Green Leftist ethno-collectivist who denounced conservatism, that headline doesn’t inspire much confidence in the analytical abilities of our intelligence services.

  40. MatrixTransform

    Both fact.

    good for you mate.
    after doing little but cutting and pasting gibber day after day, you’re now claiming the first original thoughts you’ve had in a month as ‘fact’.

    My grandfathers and great grand fathers … never talked about it.
    ever.
    my father orphaned in Italy never talked about it.
    my brother in law literally stolen whose arse is blacker that your soul numbnutz, doesnt talk about it.
    now mate, those are ‘facts’

    What nobody does (unlike numbnutz) is crow about it like some demented rooster.

    You’re such an impotent tool numbnutz because you think that the pithy words that come of your lips somehow make you a big man.

    Like I posted yesterday … it’s usually what can’t be seen that is important.

    You numbuts, mistake bullshit for bollox

  41. struth

    If there are any dickhead police officers reading this because us old farts are right wing, and we’re all terrorists in waiting………………..
    Ask yourself what is right wing?
    There definitely must be a right wing, because the left go on about it all the time.
    We oppose the left.
    There’s is the politics that taken to it’s extreme is Stalin , Chairman Mao, ……….communist , socialist Venezuela , Cuba.
    It is centered around controlling the means of production, central planning, the state before the individual (collectivism)
    This was also the National Socialists of Hitler’s goals, also therefore, obviously a lefty, as he called himself and his party.

    So the opposite to that is free market capitalism, small and accountable government to the people via democracy, and individuality and self responsibility, that is what right wingers are all about.

    We have nothing to do with racism, or white supremacy.
    We believe in nation states becdause without such, you cannot have democracy, something that left wingers do not care for anyway.
    This has nothing to do with skin colour.

    The conservative side of the right wingers are the ones who understand the institutions, culture and religion that gave the west the freedoms it enjoys.
    This has nothing to do with skin colour.

    Always look to the left for racism because it is where you will always find it.
    ‘You cannot be a racist if you are not a collectivist.

    There is no such being as a right wing white supremacist.
    It’s actually impossible, extreme right wing would, taken to it’s logical conclusion, be anarchy, by wanting too little governance.

    Ask yourself why Hitler called Himself a socialist, was considered one right throughout the thirties and WW2, and what on earth in any way shape or form made him right wing.

    Once you get that propaganda out of your head, That he was extreme right wing (while being a socialist!), all becomes clear.
    No one has to do great leaps of logic to understand for example, why it is nowadays the left who are so anti semetic, you’ll see nothing has changed, they always were.

    It will clear everything up for you.
    Then tell your boss you are onto something.
    You can tell him or her, you are onto a lead, and you think you may have been going after the wrong gang.
    Nothing like a good bit of detective work for you.
    A bit of real policing.

  42. rickw

    After what has happened in NZ my views on gun violence has hardened. Let’s allow concealed or open carry. Let’s give the option to Whites, Blacks, Muslims, Gays, Trans to protect their own against hostile nutters. The cops in most jurisdictions can’t provide the coverage which protects people. We can’t stop the guns in society becoming available like we can’t stop drugs, obesity, climate change etc. If some nutter wants to have a go then let’s make it a 2 way firing range.

    Yep.

    Given the number of muslims asking my swarthy Italian machinist mates to make them guns, I couldn’t agree more.

    Right now, all the wrong people have the guns: jihadists, criminals, vicpol.

  43. Eyrie

    It appears that NZ has slipped into being a totalitarian police state. It always was ripe for it. Nation of sheep.

  44. MatrixTransform

    totalitarian police state

    I’m sure its for a good cause

  45. notafan

    schoolgirls won’t vote for labor

    They will vote green to save the poley bears and stuff

  46. notafan

    Labor must know that seeing as how they struggle in inner Melbourne

  47. DrBeauGan

    My kids were scared of the bogey man.

    No relation.

  48. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    (The actions of a lunatic)

    His manifesto doesn’t read like a the work of a lunatic. He has valid grievances, his analysis on the left’s assault on whites is based on facts. His conclusion that the ballot box has now been so rigged with imported compliant voteherds that changing course is impossible is pretty much spot on.

    I feel incredible frustration because there is no politician addressing the root cause of the dead end we are spear heading towards. Conservatives are like the proverbial deer caught in headlights, completely useless.

    This time next century Australia and Europe as we know it will have ceased to exist. Your great grandchildren will be a persecuted minority.

  49. DrBeauGan

    Anyway, bogey is pronounced “boogy”. Beaugie/ Beaugy is quite different. More like the plural of toga.

  50. Tom

    I really feel for New Zealand farmers, who are now going to be treated like criminals and disarmed by the loony left national government NZ voters didn’t vote for.

  51. notafan

    While it is true that Coptic Christians are remnant Egyptians there are also plenty of muslims in Egypt who hail from the same stock

    There were enormous incentives to convert, lest of all paying the jizya, in fact one of Egypt’s rulers forbade conversion because it was messing with his tax base.

    I was reading about it is a phd thesis on copts, which naturally I cannot find again but it is covered somewhat in this article

    as regards Coptic Christians

  52. Roger

    Kiwi’s have taken upon themselves responsibility for what they were not responsible for.

    (The actions of a lunatic)

    Labelling him a lunatic is understandable because his actions are beyond the comprehension of most people, thankfully.

    But it also prevents us from taking him seriously as a political actor with an agenda, a manifesto, no less, that needs to be understood if it is to be effectively opposed.

    In the same way we – or, rather, the authorities – refuse to take Islamic terrorism seriously, and so we see the same inanities – “this is nothing to do with Islam” – repeated after every attack when the perpetrators repeatedly inform us that it is everything to do with Islam, at least as they and many millions of their fellow believers understand it (as repeated surveys of the views of Muslims tell us).

  53. DrBeauGan

    I feel incredible frustration because there is no politician addressing the root cause of the dead end we are spear heading towards. Conservatives are like the proverbial deer caught in headlights, completely useless.

    Quite so. And Anning was offering something along these lines and got screamed at for being insensitive. If people were a bit less sensitive and a bit more thoughtful the world would be a better place.

  54. stackja

    TA criticizes FA. TA doesn’t want votes?

  55. MatrixTransform

    But it also prevents us from taking him seriously as a political actor with an agenda, a manifesto, no less, that needs to be understood if it is to be effectively opposed.

    Dontcha just love living in a Post Modern paradise?

  56. Rabid Koala

    Anyone know if Tarrant had a girlfriend, boyfriend, no friends? Unusual that there’s no talk of any associates.

    Some girl posted photos of herself with Tarrant’s name written on her after the shooting IIRC. The dark corners of the net have also dug up some photos of a young Tarrant with various girls. He also seems to have travelled the world and been a normal guy who made friends where he went. According to his manifesto it was the terrorist attacks in Europe that drove him over the edge, particularly the little girl killed by the car.

    He either made enough money as a 21 year old in cryptocurrency to travel the world for 7 years, which means he is very intelligent, or he was funded by someone and that someone was likely a spook agency which does explain why a so called white supremacist travelled to Pakistan and NK.

  57. Hay Stockard

    Voted early on Saturday in Daley’s electorate. I thought there was a law to keep candidates and their spruikers a distance from the door?
    Anyway voted KeepSydneyOpen. Not in the upper house though.

  58. Muddy:

    I.T., when I first began lurking here about six or so years ago, I thought you were sharp, intelligent, and witty. Your comment above shows that either I was very, very wrong, or the cognitive decline which eventually affects us all has embraced you well and truly. How disappointing.

    How odd – here was I thinking something similar, Muddy.
    Whatever happened to the Infidel Tiger of the Caliphate?

  59. Roger

    Dontcha just love living in a Post Modern paradise?

    A post-modern, multicultural paradise.

    An experiment that is unravelling before our eyes.

    The old devil of tribalism is now on the loose.

  60. stackja

    NZ police charge bloke for posting the shooter’s manifesto and video.

  61. Roger

    a so called white supremacist travelled to Pakistan and NK.

    So maybe he’s not a white supremacist but a racial separatist.

    That’s why he admires the ethno-collectivist state of China above all others.

    Don’t look to the labels of the msm to understand this bloke or those like him.

  62. MatrixTransform

    NZ police charge bloke for posting the shooter’s manifesto and video.

    charged with what?

  63. Old School Conservative

    Rabid Koala
    #2962421, posted on March 18, 2019 at 11:21 am
    …He either made enough money as a 21 year old in cryptocurrency to travel the world for 7 years, which means he is very intelligent, or he was funded by someone

    Possibly inherited his father’s life insurance.
    From The Oz –
    His father, Rodney, drove a rubbish truck before his death at the age of 49 in April 2010. An obituary said he “died from cancer”. It was reported yesterday that the father took his own life after suffering from mesothelioma, caused by ­asbestos exposure, and that Tarrant found his body.

    The death of Tarrant’s father saw him gain a financial windfall and he left the town to travel overseas about 2012.

  64. DrBeauGan

    If the NZ killer wanted to polarise the world into touchy-feely collectivists trying to control everyone versus rational men and women who want freedom, he’s done a good job.

  65. struth

    I cannot believe we have a Liberal party wringing their hands about right wing extremism.

    Sco Mo is a disgrace.

    So the question is this.

    Have we shot off emails of disgusts yet.
    Rung up our local Lib reps.

    How dare they be so absolutely cowardice as to blame their base or any one right wing at all for this.

    None of these people can even explain what makes it right wing.
    People who believe in democracy, free markets, individual responsibility, and western culture are being blamed for religious/race terrorism………by the bloke who’s supposed to be representing them!!
    And the party.

    Now we either believe the liberal party are as ahistorical and as thick as lefties, and say that they believe being pro white is all right wing is about……in other words Hitlersterical propaganda.

    Or we believe something else is a foot.

    Listening to all the speeches Tony Abbott gave regarding conservative and right wing politics, you know he knows better.

    So this gutlessness and absolute desire to kneel before the alter of lefty lies, must have some value in it.

    This is my take on it.

    They realise the Hitler lie, (one I’ve said is the most disastrous to have been able to be made), is ingrained in people.
    It’s had the right second guessing themselves for decades, without for one second saying ……hang on a second!!
    He’s a bloody socialist.
    My grandfather who fought his forces knew they were fighting a socialist.
    What changed?

    Anyhoo, craving votes, these arsehole politicians are willing to throw right wingers under a bus so as to be seen as anti white supremacy, responsible middle of the road, “something else, other than right wing, More Turnbull wing, something that does not belong to the right anyway.

    Until this narrative is challenged, as it has been by many people on the right, such as Daniel Hannan etc, (with far greater standing from an education and academic class) and we let these gutless arseholes fold to leftism, we will never win.

    If we let the Liberal Party get away with this, we are SO screwed.

  66. jupes

    So the opposite to that is free market capitalism, small and accountable government to the people via democracy, and individuality and self responsibility, that is what right wingers are all about.

    We have nothing to do with racism, or white supremacy.

    Not according to SloMo.

  67. notafan

    I’ve been musing about the similarities between the allegations against Cardinal Pell and Brother Tyrrell

    both allegations were first aired in 2015 after advertising by the police and the promise of a cash ‘reward’

    Both are historical cases one going back 50 years, the other 20, neither of which had ever ever been raised prior to 2015

    Both involve co-opting the dead to make the narrative work

    Both involve ‘brazen’ attacks without any attempt at grooming, which is a hallmark of child sex abusers, perpetrator tend to want to be able to continue on with their behavior and attacking children who can both easily identify you and when you do not know how they will react is not the usual MO.

    (The lack of grooming was raised by the judges in the appeal decisions for Br Tyrrell).

    Particular to both is that those ‘brazen’ attacks occurred where there was significant risk of being discovered by others, one in a sacristy with an open door in a Cathedral after 11am solemn mass on a Sunday where dozens of people were moving about, the other claimed 142 attacks all over a school, in various rooms, in which a significant number 0f extra curriculum actives were held, sport, music, cadets etc (also raised as an issue by the court of appeal)

    It is as if they had to create a narrative where they knew the alleged perpetrator would definitely be, in a general sense (of course they did) , one created a contact point with the after school tutor story the other with the nipping into the archbishop’ , oops priest’s sacristy to nick altar wine.

    In the case of Cardinal Pell, there were allegedly two boys who returned to choir as though nothing had happened and never breathed a word, not even to each other. In the other one boy, who suffered grievous attacks over a four, then a two year period, including assaults that would have caused significant physical damage.

    Both messed up on what ought to have been absolutely crucial elements, in particular dates, which in non sexual cases should have been enough for police to pull a Shorten but instead the police allowed a succession of statement amendments, which is quite extraordinary in itself.
    It would be interesting to know if J has a criminal history because that would add another similarity which might add a little more, ie both are familiar with the justice system.

    add to that police who are very very invested in believing you, and who might even, inadvertently or deliberately help you overcome any holes in your narrative (we will never know what was said and not recorded)

    And there you have it

    Guilty as charged.

  68. Mater

    If the NZ killer wanted to polarise the world into touchy-feely collectivists trying to control everyone versus rational men and women who want freedom, he’s done a good job.

    And if he hadn’t travelled so widely (and unusually), I’d have no problem classifying him as just an intelligent yobbo gone bad.
    That might be the most likely scenario, but it’s far from the most dangerous.

    Anyhow, even if the authorities find something more nefarious in their investigations, we’re not going to find out about it. Not after the posturing which has already occurred.

  69. Rabid Koala

    Anyone know if Tarrant had a girlfriend, boyfriend, no friends? Unusual that there’s no talk of any associates.

    Considering how much the media have gotten wrong about the shooting and the shooter so far I am very skeptical of everything they say.

  70. Old School Conservative

    The message that Islam is at war with the west may be sinking in to the appeasers.

    The fact that atrocities have now been committed by both “sides” of the war, for varying motives, highlights the existence of the war.

    Having the West concentrate on winning the war is one possible outcome of the Christchurch killings.

  71. Snoopy

    NZ PM Jacinta has just announced that “Christchurch” shall me renamed “MohammedMosque”.

    There’s a Change.org petition begging to happen.

  72. stackja

    Dr BG – shooter manifesto supposedly wanted a war.

  73. Rabid Koala

    Possibly inherited his father’s life insurance.
    From The Oz –
    His father, Rodney, drove a rubbish truck before his death at the age of 49 in April 2010. An obituary said he “died from cancer”. It was reported yesterday that the father took his own life after suffering from mesothelioma, caused by ­asbestos exposure, and that Tarrant found his body.

    The death of Tarrant’s father saw him gain a financial windfall and he left the town to travel overseas about 2012.

    Considering how much the media have gotten wrong about the shooting and the shooter so far I am very skeptical of everything they say.

  74. MatrixTransform

    Not according to SloMo.

    the idiot’s prehensile tongue has the shaft of the hammer trying to nail himself to a cross.

    by golly, I think he’s done it!

    impressive at the very least

  75. Top Ender

    Letter of the Day in the Oz:

    In an impoverished part of rural Cambodia where my wife and I spend four months each year, the children go to school on foot or by bicycle. They make their way in all weather over the rudest of tracks, rarely missing a day’s school.

    As many as 60 crowd into a tiny thatched classroom, yet behaviour is never a problem. For these disadvantaged children education is a privilege that will shape their futures and lift them out of poverty. They hunger to learn.

    The disadvantaged youngsters of rural Cambodia are walking the walk while in Australia pampered children, skipping school to protest, talk the talk. And the mothers of these Cambodian children cook their evening meals over wood and coal fires.

    John Quilty, Warnbro, WA

  76. Helen

    Gov have been doing this for years and never learned. Hooker Creek, Yuendumu, Wadeye, all places where they bought different tribes together in the one community and expected them to live like lambs in eden. Instead they have been fighting and killing each other along those tribal lines ever since. Just as they would have if left in their tribal lands. So it is not surprising that Gov persist with their multi culti experiment but dressed up in the religious culti experiment. Christians and Muslims have been fighting for thousands of years, mostly Christians defending themselves from being taken over by Muslims, if I can phrase it so simply.

    It is tribal, but the government won’t wake up because they are woke to another story line, the reality is different, I don’t want my country to change, it should not be forced upon me by the all knowing government – purely for my benefit, you understand.

    I guess you could say the same of every vanquished people, including current aborigines as no doubt the ones before them said, too, go away leave me in peace I don’t want you here.

    I just read the book the pianist, where the author and his family were waiting to get on the cattle trucks to be relocated to a supposed work camp in the country and one man said, why don’t we fight, we could overpower them, we know we will be killed and the authors father said, but we might be going to work, I would rather take the 10% chance that we will live than the other – or something like that.

    Is this the tipping point? Are we the ten per centers? I guess we will only know when we look back in years to come, if we are allowed to, given we are losing the rights and opportunities to even talk about it in a reasonable way.

    Call me cold hearted, but I lost my compassion when I saw Christians dressed in orange having their throats cut while praying, for no reason other than they were Christian. We need to know why this bloke chose his path so we can help prevent others from doing the same, but we also must be very aware of the danger in the shadows, each will use each other as useful idiots to advance their cause, who comes out the winner remains to be seen. I mean socialism, greenism and islamism.

    Scott Morrison is a thistle in the wind.

  77. stackja

    RK – MSM wrong about shooter? I am shocked! MSM lost the plot years ago.
    So many silly stories. Only the gullible believe MSM.

  78. Snoopy

    DrBeauGan
    #2962413, posted on March 18, 2019 at 11:11 am
    Anyway, bogey is pronounced “boogy”. Beaugie/ Beaugy is quite different. More like the plural of toga.

    A corruption of Bugis. Vewy, vewy racist.

  79. notafan

    If the NZ killer wanted to polarise the world into touchy-feely collectivists trying to control everyone versus rational men and women who want freedom, he’s done a good job.

    He many have added a layer of cement but that was already happening

    He’s just given them another excuse on the pathe to put us all in the gulag.

  80. dover_beach

    I’ve been musing about the similarities between the allegations against Cardinal Pell and Brother Tyrrell

    There is a definite pattern, notafan. We also learned last week that the inital complaint made by J to Operation SANO wasn’t actually recorded so we can’t tell if there was any change between the initial complaint and subsequent ones. I have to retrack the source of that information.

  81. Snoopy

    twostix
    #2962374, posted on March 18, 2019 at 10:16 am
    News.com.au gleefully unleashes the LibLab hounds against the minor parties:

    But of course. Insiders’ fave and button punisher, Malcolm Farr is the national political editor of news.com.au.

  82. Roger

    Scott Morrison is a thistle in the wind.

    A worthless husk blown away in the time of winnowing (cf. Ps 1).

  83. notafan

    the other claimed 142 attacks all over a school, in various rooms, in which a significant number 0f extra curriculum actives were held, sport, music, cadets etc (also raised as an issue by the court of appeal)

    I forgot Brother Tyrrell accuser claimed a Brother McCabe had walked on on the very last occasion he was being raped (two years after Brother Tyrrell had left the school) and completely ignored what he saw. He told police Brother McCabe was dead, however it turned out he was still living.

    another oops moment

  84. notafan

    Still another example of co-0pting the dead into supporting a narrative though

  85. Mark from Melbourne

    New Fred —>

  86. jupes

    I learnt two things in The West Australian this morning:

    Julie Bishop’s “conservative” replacement has nominated climate change as a key priority.

    Tim Blair is the first journalist to describe Tarrant as he describes himself i.e. a “terrorist / white supremacist / anti-capitalist / eco-fascist.”

  87. Roger

    An anti-capitalist right winger, eh?

  88. bespoke

    However, and I know I go on about it, but it’s those bloody feminine traits that bring her unstuck when something like this happens, it’s then emotion (and fear) first clouding and otherwise very savvy mind.

    Maybe in your experience, Struth but not mine Iv only seen bogan chicks that stir shit then hide when it hits the fan. Enable/excuse it and it will only get worse.

  89. Knuckle Dragger

    Haven’t fully scrolled back yet, but Socrates mentioned last night that an assault on a person after a specific time of night was treated more seriously than in daytime under QLD legislation.

    This smacks of truth, as in the NT there is the offence of assault, and there are a myriad of what are known as ‘aggravations’. Same goes with burglaries – an aggravating factor is if it occurs between 1800 (that’s 6.00pm, Numbers) and 0600.

    Assault aggravations include whether you’re in company with others, whether you have a weapons (regardless of whether it’s used) AND if you assault a ‘defenceless person’, which according to a mountain of NT case law means a female.

    Fancy that. In this age of equality you are penalised more if you hit a woman. The femmos must be shrieking from high heaven about the patronising bastards who wrote that bit of legislation.

    Aren’t they?

  90. Up The Workers!

    Christian, Atheist or Muslim, a terrorist is a terrorist and a murderer is a murderer. Their respective victims are just as wrongfully dead and the evil perpetrators are just as deserving of a just punishment.

    The current weeping, wailing, fraudulent blame-shifting and gnashing of gums by the hypocrites of the left and their monocular Get-Up presstitutes over the Christchurch atrocity is sickening.

    By his own admission, the perpetrator of the murders is a Trump-hating, Conservative-hating pro-Nationalist Socialist and self-proclaimed “Eco-Fascist”, which to my ears, definitively describes 100% of Green pollies and at least 75% of the A.L.P. ones.

    The terrorist here is not from the Right; he’s from the Wrong.

    He’s not a carnivore; he’s a Mung-Beaner.

    The website http://www.jihadwatch.org has for the 18.5 years since the 9/11 terrorist atrocity in New York, been keeping a running tally of Muslim terrorist atrocities against innocent, mostly unarmed civilians. As of yesterday, that tally stood at 34,725 separate vile terrorist incidents (Note: these are incidents; not deaths. One single incident can account for hundreds of deaths)..

    The ‘terrorism gap’ between Muslims and non-Muslims, has now been reduced by this typically violent leftard, by all of 1.

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